Dan Wootton Outspoken - DOUGLAS MURRAY SHAMES ALASTAIR CAMPBELL AFTER HE DEMANDS ARREST + ELON MUSK FIGHTS FOR UK | OUTSPOKEN EP #28

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium As the UK Woke Stasi under Two Tier Keir now call for the ARRESTS of both Douglas Murray AND Elon Musk, Dan reveals how the author has taken down his hypocritical detector Alastair Campbell in the most brutal manner. Then his Superstar Panel Chris Davies and Richard Taylor react to the X boss’ bid to “Free Britain” as the world turns on the authoritarian bid to ban free speech. PLUS: Royal Mastermind Angela Levin reacts to the collapse of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s crumbling empire as their chief of staff departs just days before their Colombian tour. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The UK woke Stassi under two-tier care is now calling for the arrests of both Douglas Murray and Elon Musk. No wonder the ex-boss has posted, free Britain. But in my digest next, I will reveal Douglas Murray's brutal takedown of his hypocritical detractor, Alistair Campbell. You do not want to miss it. Also coming up today, my superstar panel, Chris Davies and Richard Taylor react to Labour MPs pathetic threat to quit ex. Bye bye. And Tory leadership frontrunner Kemi Bader not being exposed for pushing mass immigration. Plus, Royal Mouse mind Angela Levin reacts to the collapse of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's crumbling empire as their chief of staff departs after just three months, just days before their big Colombian tour. And it is a big day of royal news. So in our uncancelled

after show, we will have much more exclusive royal news and gossip from Angela Levin. You can register to watch on our own website at www.outspoken.live. It is a safe space, free of censorship. Your support at just £5 a month not only will give you this 30 minutes of extra content not patrolled by anyone every single weekday, but it also, and this is much more important in the context of what we're dealing with at the moment, with this crackdown on free speech, it allows me to continue making this independent daily news show for you. Let's go. No British political commentator is more articulate, astute and brave than Douglas Murray, a freedom fighter and purveyor of sometimes unspeakable truths about the state of the West and specifically his British homeland.

Given his increasing international influence, perhaps it's no wonder that the dishonest left on both sides of the Atlantic would cynically try and exploit the Southport Massacre to secure his cancellation. Now why? I hear you ask. Well, Douglas has spent years warning of the social catastrophe coming to Europe. As he explained in this interview that I'm about to show you, that both Alistair Campbell and George Galloway used to call for his arrest. The worst thing for me is exactly what I said would happen and the reason I wrote The Strange Death of Europe and the reason I banged on about this for years beforehand was I said it is

so obvious what is going to happen. And it gives me... I was so angry watching it when it could have been stopped. Yeah, it sucks to be right about something so bad. I wanted to be wrong. However, there is a deep, deep distrust among the political class in the UK about the British public. They really don't seem to like them. They

really don't seem to like them. They're so eager to attack the general public and cover over for anything else. The worst thing for me is... Now, the hysteria from the left to that heartfelt and honest reaction from Douglas has been deranged, to say the least. But it is worth me showing you the level of intellectual dishonesty we are dealing with. So Nick Lowles, of the ironically named Hope Not Hate, posted on Where Else X, how can Douglas Murray still write for The Telegraph and The Spectator when he says such incendiary and violent rhetoric about immigrants and Muslims. We cannot let this pass. Douglas Murray doesn't care what we think, but we need to exert pressure on the Telegraph and the Spectator. How can they employ a man who writes

such incendiary rhetoric? If they continue to employ Murray, they are effectively condoning what he says. Now, that's the same Nick Lowles, by the way, who spread false information about Muslim women being the victims of acid attacks, which stoked violence in recent days. But that's beside the point. Then there was this from the hard left American based British commentator Mehdi Hassan. Because that's what this is. That's what we have been witnessing. Far right domestic terrorism. commentator Mehdi Hassan. societies into low-trust ones. It turns coherent societies into incoherent ones. You can't just address the backlash to that, you have to address the cause. Unless our leaders do that, this will get infinitely worse. Can you imagine what Murray would have said about a Muslim who responded to 9-11 or 7-7 or October

the 7th with, you can't just address the backlash, you have to address the cause. Ah, the hypocrisy. But Hassan showed his real arrogance and disdain for the British working class when he continued that unhinged rant, dragging in the Reform UK MP Lee Anderson. Lee Anderson, the Reform Party MP and former Conservative Party MP, with a long history of making Islamophobic and racist remarks, he tweeted that, quote, "'This problem has been caused by smug politicians "'who've refused to listen to the concerns of British people.'"

Ah, yes, the concerns of far-right fascists, who Lee Anderson outrageously equates with the entire British people. That's what we should be worried about. Look, when we talk about people's concerns, much of them are total BS. Total BS. That's what that champagne socialist commenting on your problems in the UK from his plush Washington DC studio thinks about ordinary Brits. But no response to Douglas Murray has been more tone deaf than that coming from the truly psychopathic Alistair Campbell, a man so lacking in self-awareness it's concerning.

After calling for Douglas to be banged up, he posted on X, where else, on this basis, it would have been fine to have Goebbels as a commentator, as long as he didn't write the really rough stuff in The Spectator. Yep, so there is Alistair Campbell, the only British man in the modern era who used Goebbels-like propaganda to lead Britain into a war, comparing Douglas Murray to the Nazis for spitting facts about the West's shocking problems. Constantine Kissin of Trigonometry summed up that madness perfectly. Thomas Sowell once wrote,

People will forgive you for being wrong, but they will never forgive you for being right, especially if events prove you right while proving them wrong. It is therefore unsurprising that in the wake of the violent riots which have shaken Britain in recent days, the people who predicted all of this are in the crosshairs. Over the weekend, Alistair Campbell suggested that the police should investigate Douglas Murray for writing and promoting the strange death of Europe. Campbell is supposedly a mental health campaigner. He was known for screaming at underlings during his time in Downing Street and is currently positioning himself as the voice of Britain's moral conscience. He was the spin doctor you'll remember who helped Tony Blair lie the country into invading Iraq, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Murray's great crime, on the other hand, is writing a book which predicted with great accuracy everything that is happening across our continent today. But no one, no one is better placed to own Alistair Campbell than Douglas Murray himself. So luxuriate in his brilliance as I share with you three posts on X that have left the warmonger uncharacteristically silent. Douglas wrote, think Met Police might want to look into the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and British soldiers who lost their lives after Alistair Campbell cooked the books and lied about WMD in Iraq. Also, perhaps how mental health pro Alistair Campbell hounded David Kelly to suicide. He went on. Tony Blair was forced to fire Alistair Campbell in 2004

because Campbell was, quote, deranged, vindictive and out of control. Alistair Campbell only has one thing going for him in his life. Consistency. And he finished with this. Alistair Campbell is just a very sick man, by his own admission, probably guilt over the death of David Kelly. As I said before, to his face, most people want to hear him talk about truth and politics as much as we'd want to hear Jeffrey Epstein talk about the age of consent. If only all political takedowns were as perfectly constructed,

right? But let me tell you why they're doing this to Douglas, because it's for one reason only. Douglas Murray is now a massive threat. He has become an ally of the world's richest and arguably most powerful man in Elon Musk, who has valiantly taken up the cause of protecting Britons from Al-Khraji's government, posting on X, Free Britain. Of course, the mad leftists also want Musk arrested. See Jonathan Friedman in The Guardian. But cue another brutal Douglas destruction via X, where he wrote the author of this crappy Guardian piece calling for Elon Musk to be arrested for incitement, wrote a whole novel under pseudonym Wet Dreaming about the assassination of President Trump. So look, in reality, the MSM is terrified. They are terrified because they are finished. They are dying and they know it. Just look at the hysterical reaction to Musk's very good ex space with Donald Trump last night, where he cemented his endorsement of the Republican nominee by telling him,

we're at a fork in the road of the destiny of civilization, you're the right path. But the UK is definitely not on the right path, as even the idea that the left believe Tutankhamen might make Douglas Murray and Elon Musk political prisoners quite clearly proves. But to react now, let me bring in my superstar panel. And I am delighted to see returning to Outspoken today, the owner of True Conservative Media, a self-proclaimed social, cultural and fiscal conservative patriot and free speech absolutist, Chris Davies, and making his outspoken debut. But my old friend who would regularly pop up on my former GB News and talk

radio shows, the Welsh political commentator, Richard Taylor. Great to have you both here. So Chris Davies, wow. Douglas Murray has completely owned Alistair Campbell, but this is just symbolic, isn't it, of what is going on with the left genuinely believing they can use this authoritarianism that has been introduced by by Slippery Starmer to quite literally get their detractors jailed. This is a terrifying new front in the war on free speech, is it not? Absolutely. I mean, on a one-to-one level, there is no contest between Douglas Murray and Alistair Campbell in any way, shape or form. It is literally like swatting a fly for Douglas. He can eat Campbell all day long. And as you pointed out in your monologue,

we are talking here about somebody that should be in front of the Hague on war crimes charges versus someone who has a very high intellect and the ability to prophesy what is now coming true in this country. Dan, there's no question, day by day, free speech is more and more under threat. Your excellent interview with Matt Letizia a week or so ago really highlighted and Matt nailed it.

We live now in a state of fear if we allow ourselves to be fearful and we can't. We have to push back. We have to fight against it. We have to be appropriate and not fall into the elephant traps. But Douglas is far too articulate to fall into even the most rudimentary of traps set by people like Campbell. And thank God we've got people like him who are prepared to put their line in the sand and say no further. I completely agree with that. I do. But Richard Taylor, I have spoken to lots of Britain's biggest independent and conservative minds over the weekend.

And I'll just be honest in terms of reporting back their reactions. Not all of them felt as bullish as Matt Letizia. A lot of them are actually genuinely feeling worried about the prospect of being arrested or being sent to prison, which is just wrong, given all we're trying to do is challenge this government's authoritarianism. Absolutely, Dan. And I think if you look at slogans we used in previous times when I've been on shows with you, you know, police our streets, not our tweets.

And we thought that would never happen. But what we're seeing now is there's a leftist meltdown, especially on X, because, of course, Elon Musk is championing freedom of speech and even those who are trying to boycott x are still on x some of them subscribing to it and blocking him and he's the owner i mean it's just crazy the reality is here is that consecutive governments have failed the country i speak as a working class bloke i'm just a welsh bloke living in wales and i've seen the deterioration of our country, of our nation, Wales and across Northern Ireland, England and Scotland. And what is happening is because of the failure of consecutive governments to get a grip of illegal and legal immigration.

It has got way out of hand, out of control. I mean, figures stated today up to five thousand possibly eight thousand immigrants by the end of this week you know here to how you call him two-tier kia promising that he'll smash the guns he hasn't smashed nothing you know and the reality is these the government that is in control in my opinion people like douglas murray are speaking what most of us are thinking a majority of ordinary work hard hardworking people, he is speaking how we feel. And he's got the platform to do that. And I thank God that he's got that.

You know, often I rant on my Twitter, as you know, Dan, with colourful words, which I can't use on this show, as you know. I'm known for it. But the reality is, if the anger in people,

ordinary people, I'm not talking about the thugs or the people that are rioting. Just ordinary people, hardworking people have had enough. And they're seeing through the MSM, they're seeing through all the stuff, and they're turning to independent journalism, such as yourself, on Outspoken here, Dan, as you've continued with many others as well. And they're using people, these riots we've seen, they're using people like Lawrence Fox, Tommy Robinson,

even people like yourself, Dan, to scapegoat, to say, oh, you're inciting this, you're inciting that. No, we should not be arrested for having an opinion. We live in a free country where the freedom of speech is the most important thing of all. And I'm prepared to die on that hill. Now, I don't advocate violence. I don't advocate, you know, any kind of thuggery or whatsoever. I believe in peaceful protesting. But what we have seen is consecutive governments have failed the people of this country, and they will continue to do

so until something major happens. And Douglas Murray is well within his right. And you know what? He can read a political crystal ball, and he read the future. He could see it coming. Now, I could mention a person, but I'm not going to do it, who did it many, many, many years before. And if I mention his name, I'd be classed as a racist. I'm not going to do that.

I know who you mean. I know who you mean. Of course I do. And I think most most people watching will know who you mean. But Chris Davies, one of the things because I actually totally agree with Richard in that this is the hill to die on. Free speech is the hill to die on. Free speech is the hill to die on. We have five years of this government. What they're trying to do is right at the start of their regime, shut down criticism. It's bizarre. I never thought we would see this day in North Korea style UK. But that is where we are.

And it was obvious that Starmer had this streak in him after the COVID pandemic. So I was prepared for it, but I just never thought it would actually happen. But that is where we are. What is particularly disgusting though, Chris, is that the mainstream media is backing this guy at the moment because they are so desperate to try and protect themselves. Actually actually they have jumped on board the censorship train and the thing that they all should realize and shame on them for not realizing is that it might be folk on social media now it might be tommy robinson now it might be douglas murray now but it could be you next no question at at all. It's a disgrace, Dan, that the so-called right-wing press,

the Express, the Mail, the Telegraph, the Sun, have all jumped on the bandwagon of effectively calling for greater censorship of social media. This is crocodile appeasement at its finest. These people are idiots. There is no question that the mainstream media now is heading for the plug hole. It has been for some time. It continues its descent unabated. And now belatedly, all of a sudden, an industry that went through Leveson, that's

gone through so many scandals, that historically has wanted free speech, has wanted the right to publish. Now, all of a sudden, instead of publish and be damned, it's the reverse of that. And what they're trying to do is to cling on for dear life to the last piece of flotsam and jetsam that keeps them alive. Nothing more, nothing less. They're not interested in an independent and free press. They're not interested in opposing Kim Jong-un or whatever his name is these days, Tutu Akira. There's so many of them, you lose count. But really, you would think that the free press, while it remains a free press, would at least make some attempt to hold this government to account. But everything we've seen in the first five and a half weeks

suggests that we're in for a very rough ride. And it is important that patriots like ourselves continue to draw the line in the sand and do not cross that line. We must avoid hyperbole. We must avoid incitement. We've got to be careful in terms of what we say. But it doesn't mean that we should not tell the truth, because if the truth does not out, then we have a real problem, not just with two-tier care, not just with two-tier policing, but with a two-tier judiciary. And it has actually been a delight to see the left effectively admit, oh no, no, we don't actually believe in free speech, because we knew that all along, but it's quite nice for them to actually put it on the record. I want to show you another moment that Douglas Murray is being accused of inciting racial

hatred. This is an interview that he gave with John Anderson, the Australian Deputy Prime Minister. It was actually nine months ago, but he's speaking about Humza Useless, the worst politician in Scottish history, the failed First Minister. And apparently, apparently you can be the judge, but apparently this interview should also see Douglas Murray be locked up. The man who ended up becoming First Minister of Scotland, Humza Youssef, is a very openly practising Muslim and had himself photographed on his first day in office with a group of

other Muslims doing the Islamic prayers in the first minister's office, bending to Mecca. If Kate Forbes had become leader and promptly posted a photograph of her and some others taking Holy Communion, I think it would have been an uproar. So why would that have been the case, but no uproar for Hamza Yusuf doing the Islamic prayers in the office? Because we want everybody to have religious freedom except ourselves. We want to praise every tradition apart from our own. And we want to promote every belief system other than the one that got us here.

That is madness. Richard, your verdict? Well, I tell you, that is complete madness. And I've been advocating and saying this for ages. The reality is we're a Christian nation. We were built on Christian principles. Whether you're religious or not is irrelevant to the argument, but historically we are. And what we've seen is we've seen people come

to our shores they've not integrated in the way or assimilated to our cultures our values in fact many of them hate our values hate our culture want to impose sharia law and have their own court in our own country now this this can't be sustained it's it's impossible and that is why many people are getting angry because they're seeing it on a daily basis, Dan, pumped out by mainstream media, justified by them as well, which, by the way, mainstream media is on its way out. Independent journalism like yourself and others are doing an platforms, because they're afraid of people who've got money and power, who are able to give a platform to people like ourselves to speak our minds freely without the idea of the fact that we have turned our country much to me personally my opinion i believe multiculturalism has enriched in some parts of our nation has enriched our country but it's also been very very damaging and now we've seen this because of open borders and let's remind ourselves it was tony blair that started this off in 97 you know when he opened up the borders everyone can come you, you know, it was cheap

labour, and Alistair Campbell was part of that, and obviously he's losing the battle with Douglas Murray, I don't know why he's picking on him, because he's going to lose that battle, Dan, as you know. And what we've seen is, I've seen it in my hometown of Llanelli, I've grown up here all my life, you know, and I've moved around Wales,

and I've seen the changes, societal changes, that worry me, that really, really worry me. And it's not because of one particular religion, because I believe in the freedom of religion, as I do with freedom of speech. But there are people intent on not wanting to appreciate what we as a nation have done for them. Now, they'll call us, you know, we colonised them and we did this and we did that. But look, we've enriched the world. What a great nation we live in. We're a tolerant country.

But unfortunately, these people are not as tolerant as we are. And it's about time that we put our foot down. In the words of Douglas Murray, as he said, this is complete and utter madness. It is. It is complete madness. But Chris, we are almost living the dystopian future that Christopher Hitchens predicted back in 2009. Because as soon as Islamophobia is made illegal, which is something that Slippery Starmer seems to be on board with, Sadiq Khan, the extremist London mayor, is certainly advocating,

then all of a sudden we can't question this ideology. And it's an ideology, by the way, that doesn't believe that gay people like me should exist. It's an ideology that doesn't believe women should be able to leave the home with any of their flesh covered or take a full part in adult society. So this is where we are heading. I mean, this Labour government seems to want to make a legal criticising Islam. Well, it's interesting, Dan, isn't it? I was thinking about this this morning, and there are still far more instances of anti-Semitism than there are of so-called the oxymoron Islamophobia. And it would seem to me that the answer lies here with the Robinsons. Tommy, a bit like others that have prophesied, Douglas obviously being one of them,

the problems that were coming around the corner has been proven right. It's why they're so determined to annihilate him and he's public enemy number one. And likewise, Calvin Robinson. Calvin is one of the few people, like Richard has said earlier on, this is a Christian nation. The last time I checked, the population of this country is still over 80% white British, and it is fundamentally built on Christian values. And unless and until there is acceptance of that, we have to keep on banging the drum for it. Because we know what Starmer is. He's been saying the quiet stuff out loud for a long time. He's a Republican. He's a radical leftist. He hates the working class that he's meant as a Labour politician to stand up for.

And fundamentally, watching the interview with Khan about 10 days before the election, where Khan was calling for essentially specific legislation to deal with so-called Islamophobia was chilling. But it is coming. It is coming. It is coming. And what's particularly chilling is when you combine that sort of ideology with a man who is obsessed with locking up his political enemies, Richard. And he is.

And it is his political enemies, by the way. It's not everyone. Because Richard Keir Starmer was not advocating for the DPP to take this sort of ludicrously tough approach post the BLM riots, where there was huge amounts of criminal damage, where loads and loads of police officers were injured. He wasn't advocating this sort of tough justice with the just stop oil or the extinction rebellion or the insulate britain eco-terrorists who were literally grinding this country to a halt literally killing people because they were stopping ambulances remember getting to hospitals no but he's advocating it for the white working class folk who rioted after the Southport massacre. Yeah, Dan, you remember and many of your listeners and watching here tonight remember when BLM were taken to the streets and the photos of Keir Starmer, two-tiered kid, whatever he's called now, he's got so many names, I forget them all.

And Angela Rayner taking the knee, you you know and it was it was absurd it was absolutely ridiculous and we had footballers getting involved and everything was politicized whether it was sports whether it was whatever it was and it's just seemed to get out of hand and people don't understand that there is a narrative being pushed in my opinion and it's been aided by mainstream media and current government and previous government, that seems to think that it's OK for the left wing extremists or even left wing people. Yes, we give them a voice and a platform. But having studied theology, Dan, I have studied theology. I went to Birmingham Bible College, by the way. So I studied different religions as well, including Islam. And there is a correlation between

what we're seeing happening on our streets now and i'm going to say this quite i'm going to say frank as it is there are words that can be interpreted in the quran it's a matter of interpretation that treats people that don't believe in islam as infidels and as dogs now when you when you push that message out that narrative to people and they're watching it especially young people especially young muslim people who are innocent of any crime they're they're brilliant friends of mine and yours they can be radicalized for the simple reason they see what's going on in gaza it gets reported by msm which is is a travesty by itself of course the loss of life in any way i I don't agree with any of it, it shouldn't be happening, but it's happening. And what happens, these people have been groomed

then and their anger becomes the same anger that we feel for our nation, but they have it, but they're in our nation demanding that they be heard. And I think it's a case of- Very, very intelligent. We hear the culture, we hear the values. Well, if you don't like our country, don't stay here. There are other countries you can go to. You don't have to stay in the UK. There are other safe places you can go to. Yeah, very intelligent way to sum it up, actually, Rich and I.

And I'm always struck by the fact that there's so much negativity at the moment, certainly about the St. George's flag, and even now the Union Jack. Yet we constantly see the Palestinian flag being flown on marches, seemingly about the UK. What's that about? What is that about? The other thing I want to ask you about is this hugely ridiculous reaction last night to Elon Musk's ex-spacers with Donald Trump. I stayed up, Chris, to listen to it. I found it really interesting, really fascinating. It certainly wasn't extreme, you know, like the EU warning Elon Musk about hate speech. I mean, this was just two really interesting people, very powerful men chewing the fat.

I loved it. What do you make of this reaction against it? I think it was pre-programmed, Dan. I think the reaction was already preemptively made. Personally, it is what it is. And Spaces is a good enough format, I guess. Yes, they had a few technical problems and we'll never know whether it was a deliberate denial of service or not. But clearly, you know, that doesn't suit the narrative of the left. They want to believe that apparently, you know, Kamala has said she wouldn't, you know, that

they couldn't handle a live stream in 2024, all the usual bile and nonsense that comes. But I think it was quite clear that what they set out to have was not an interview, but a conversation. Yeah. As two people would do, if you like, in the UK in the pub, while we've still got pubs that are kept open.

And in that respect, I think it worked perfectly well. Yeah. Elon Musk isn't a journalist. He's not pretending to be a journalist. He's not trying to be a journalist. So when people were saying, oh, he should be challenging Trump, it's like, why? He supports Trump. He's endorsed Trump. They're having a chat.

Trump is constantly interviewed by journalists. It's Kamala Harris who isn't. Well, it's interesting, isn't it, that if Trump gets the opportunity to debate Harris, and there seems to be some question over this, he will wipe the floor with it. this extraordinary moment where a Washington Post reporter in the White House briefing thought the most important question of the day was about trying to take away free speech from Elon Musk and Donald Trump. Imagine being a journalist and thinking that is your duty. Watch this. Elon Musk is slated to interview Donald Trump tonight on X.

I don't know if the president is going to tune in. Feel free to say if he is or not. But I think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a campaign issue. It's an America issue. What role does the White House or the President have in sort of stopping that or stopping the spread of that or sort of intervening in that? Some of that was about campaign misinformation but you know it's a wider thing right? Yeah no and you've heard us talk about this many times from here

about the responsibilities that social media platforms have when it comes to misinformation disinformation. Don't have anything to read out from here about specific ways that we're working on it, but we believe that, that they have the responsibility. These are private companies, so we're also mindful of that too. But look, I think it is incredibly important to call that out as you're doing. I just don't have any specifics on what we've been doing internally. As it relates to the interviews, it's not something that I'm tracking,

and I'm sure the president's not tracking it either. Richard, can you believe it? My first instant reaction to that, Dan, would be most of the people in the White House briefing room are probably on Twitter themselves. Of course they are. So they're using the platform that they themselves are decrying and saying, listen, you know, what's happening is wrong because it is the freedom of speech. That's what it is. You know what it's like. You can say what you want on Twitter. As long as it's not obviously it's not something that does incite hatred.

But what's the interpretation of that law we've seen someone get 20 months in prison for putting something on facebook which i think facebook actually in competition with twitter seems to be like the left on the right yes from what i'm seeing facebook deletes everything yeah well it does and i think there's the statement he made about the fact that you know elon musk has piled into this argument let's just look at what he's done since he bought Twitter, right? Or no, exes, no, formerly Twitter. He has allowed people, he's restored people's accounts, people like Tommy Robertson, people like Donald Trump, and many others as

well, who were taken off Twitter, because let's be honest, the backroom staff at HQ Twitter back then, before he bought them out, they were left-wing people, that's what they were. Of course, we all knew. Katie Hopkins, Graham Linehanuna you were as well you noticed like people friends of ours who've had massive followings were taken off the platform immediately they were immediately restored you know why because debate is about listening to both sides of the story not one side and what I find, the irony of this is comical, is people blocking Elon Musk.

I find it absolutely hilarious. But yet they themselves remain on his platform. And some, of course, and some of them are paying, subscribing to be on there. Well, do all of them remain, Chris? Because The Guardian reported today, Labour MPs are quitting X, an alarm over the platform, with one saying that Elon Musk had turned it into a, quote, megaphone for foreign adversaries and far-right fringe groups. And two Labour MPs are known to have told colleagues

they were leaving the platform. One of them, Noah Law, has disabled his account. Other MPs who still use X have begun examining alternatives, including Threads, which is owned by Facebook, and the open source platform Blue Sky. The Liverpool City Region Mayor, Steve Rotherham, has said the time is approaching for politicians and the public to consider whether they should withdraw from using elon musk's x platform let me tell you right now

none of these losers will quit x will they chris jess phillips spoke about how she was going to maybe be quitting x she did it with a post on x dan you're on fire um the intellectual heft of the people that say they're going to be leaving x uh is is quite astounding from the joy that is paloma faith right through to jess phillips and and and left leftists in between look as a free speech absolutist i do not want people to leave the digital public square that is X. You know, they can talk about Mastodon, they can talk about Threads, they can talk about all of these other alternative platforms, but there is no question about it. X is now the number one location in the world where people get their news. It's where they have their digital public square.

I want these people to stay on for the simple reason that sunlight is the best disinfectant Dan. You know we've seen this now with the left for some time that they are now deliberately trying now that they've got all the levers of power they are trying to do takedowns on the likes of Douglas and others and they will continue to do so and X gives us a platform as well as them to articulate the alternative view. And that's surely in a democracy is what we're all meant to be about. We're meant to have a debate. It's meant to be hopefully peaceful and reasonable and practical rather than yaboo and throwing rocks at each other, but blocking Elon Musk. I mean, we've had some real high-powered intellects tonight. You've had the press secretary of the US,

Corrine Jean-Pierre. We've talked about Alastair Campbell. I know who we're going to be talking about in the next five, ten minutes or so. You know, these people are largely cloth-eared, tin-eared idiots. And if they choose to leave, they won't be missed. Totally. But Richard, what I think stuns me even more

is how thin-skinned the left are. Because think, we have to deal with 95% of platforms and media outlets that hate everything that we're about. Yet we go in, we continue having the argument, we continue having the discussion, even if we're beaten down, because we know that's what democracy is about. And we know that we have to keep putting forward our case. How thin skinned are they to say, oh, we only want to be part of a platform that reflects what we think? Well, that is not how society works, Dan, is down is it let's be honest because if you just follow one narrative and you know where a group of people

believe in this and where people a group of people that believe in that there is no debate there is no discussion and when i was in university one of the key things i remember and i'm not an educated man i'm not an intellectual i'm a working class bloke that happened to find himself in university, luckily, in Birmingham. And it was about discourse. It was about a debate. It was about different opinions. And those could be quite sometimes really strong opinions that people held. But we did it. And at the end of those debates, we would say, you know, we agree to disagree. That seems to have all but gone. and i think the whole idea of censorship especially on the twitter issue and elon musk and scapegoating others and blame them for the riots

this is a deflection from the government's failure to stop the mass immigration that's coming into our country that's putting huge pressure on our public services on our housing and so many other areas like the nhs especially here in wales as well where i am you know the nation of sanctuaries as it's been declared by the welsh government itself you know and there are people i've got i put this is quite personal to me because i have family members who are homeless one in particular that i'm looking out for at the moment i can't get a place for him i've spoken to the labour Labour MP for my constituency where I live. Can't get no housing for him. But down the

road, down the road Dan, not far from where I'm sitting right now, there is a hotel filled with asylum seekers. I'm not going to mention it. There was one, as you recall, Stradie Park Hotel here in Llanelli where protesters were there every single day and the Welsh government gave up in the end and they shipped them out.

Now it's been turned back into a hotel and all those who lost their jobs which i feel really sorry for you know so all of this is it's the government they are the ones who are responsible and we're letting the scapegoating on other people and they're trying to use this idea that we're some kind of far-right racist and we're not done you know no no we're letting down people like your relatives though richard because the thing is this is only going to get worse what labor is going to do is they're going to shut down the baby stock home they're going to take the illegal migrants out of hotels but what does that mean they're going to be everywhere they're going to be in mean? They're going to be everywhere.

They're going to be in every community. They're going to be taking housing from British people. This is a nightmare. And remember, 700 arrivals just across the channel on Sunday alone. That doesn't take into account the thousands and thousands

that are arriving via trucks. Now that happens. We just don't see it. So I think this is a huge issue. But look, I want to talk politically very quickly about this awful race to become the Conservative Party leader. Totally uninspiring. But Kemi Badenoch, who is the frontrunner, according to The Sun today, has been exposed as someone who is pushing for mass legal migration. Now they have uncovered a previously unseen or at least unreported on 2018 speech in the House of Commons. Watch this.

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Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece French toast sticks, bacon or sausage wrap, biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee and more. Limited time only at participating Wendy's Taxes Extra. Chris, you know my views on Cammie Vadenock. Yet again, she's been exposed. Chris, she's just a vessel. She's an empty vessel and she does whatever Michael Gove tells her to do at the time. Dan, it's nice to see that the MSM still have the capability to keep the receipts.

This is not new news, right? Kemi Beidnok is a chocolate fire guard and I make no apologies for that. I think when she ran a couple of years ago, very little was known about her and she did very well in the contest. But now that, I mean, Nadine Dorries, for example, has really exposed Kemi for what she is. And Richard's point a few minutes ago is on the money. We can talk all day about illegal immigration, Dan, and the issue of the boats and lorries and this, that and the other, but the reality is 96% of all immigration to this country is so-called legal immigration as a result of the granting of visas. That is insane.

So the two and a half million people that have come to this country over the last two years, the vast majority of those are so-called legal migrants. It's madness. We are ruining our infrastructure. We are destroying our public services from within, regardless of assimilation and cultural issues. Now, to come back to your point about the Conservative Party leadership contest, as far as I'm concerned, I don't care who wins, because they are an irrelevance. They have already shown a total lack of leadership in relation to the disturbances from Hare Hills all the way through to Southport and stopping everywhere in between. Very few of them have actually spoken up and said anything. And what

they do have to say is mealy mouthed until they begin to reconnect with the British people and understand the legitimate concerns of the white working and middle class people in this country, not just white, but anybody that has an opposing view to more immigration, more multiculturalism, they are a dead duck. And there is every chance that the Conservative Party can continue to go down rather than up for the foreseeable future. Well, I think that's possible, Richard Taylor, when you have Reform UK in Parliament providing opposition from the right. Yes, certainly. I mean, I take Chris's spot on what you just said there. I mean, I tweeted earlier, actually, you know, is anybody interested

in the Conservative Party leadership? Because it seems to be that no one's interested whatsoever. I mean, they got wiped out completely for simple reasons. And I go back to this and I'm a pro-Brexit and I did it for one reason. But we didn't leave Brexit completely because we left one foot in. Take the ECHR, for example, which doesn't allow us under those laws to do what we need to do to bring migration into control and as a result of that we had a government that failed and people saw that and they voted with their feet and they voted elsewhere that is the reason why the conservative party were

wiped out in the elections and give labor a massive majority for the simple reason that the conservative party who promised to deliver bre, went through so many prime ministers, so many chancellors, so many, I mean, there's so many different offices, I can't even name them all. And yet they still did not deliver for the people. I've seen Tom, I see on the screen here now, your viewers are watching it. Tom Dugan. I think it was today. I mean, even his backdrop, the optics are awful. He had a paper-brown bag behind him, for goodness sake. I mean, they can't even get that right, you know. I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean, the reality is... And, of course, the only one in those contenders is Suella Braverman, who wanted to leave the ECHR, and she's out.

Yeah, but on Kemi, as you mentioned, I mean, none of these excite the nation. They're not, you know, giving out any charismatic vibes. You know, one thing I'll say about Boris, right, I know he was a disaster, in my opinion, in some terms, but he was an election winner. He had charisma. He had something about him. He didn't deliver what I voted for. I know that. And for that, I'm, you know, I'm upset about it, but he's gone. But the reality is, I think what we're going to see in the next five years is a Labour government that's going to take us further down this rabbit hole of censorship, North Korea-ism. We're going to see where they're clamped down on everything from social media to independent journalists and everything else. That's what

they're trying to do. They're trying to control the masses. That's what they're trying to do. Using fear tactics and stirring up all that kind of hatred. It's not the far right. This idea of far right and left right, it really, I don't know about you, Dan or Chris, it really winds me up. It's about what's right and what's wrong.

Those are the fears. What's more is right. And at some point, actually, it may become time to reclaim that term because actually the way that they are using it is so inaccurate. But look, what a brilliant superstar panel today thank you so much to welsh political commentator richard taylor and the

founder of true conservative media chris davies great to have you both hope to speak to you very soon but there's been big breaking news on the royal front today. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have lost another staff member, their 18th. This is their chief of staff just four days before embarking on a dangerous tour of Colombia. So what is going on? What is it all about? Why does no one want to work with them? My royal mastermind, Angela Levin, up next with that. She's here in just one minute. But you know, I've only promised to talk to you about products on this show that are actually life-changing. This one's a little bit more personal, but the fellas watching are going to completely get it. And the ladies, well, you would do well to treat your husband or boyfriend,

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Let's talk about Josh. He was employed as Chief of Staff and he had a very good comment about him that he was used to working with demanding bosses in high performance companies. So you would imagine, yes, let's grab him. He's just right for Meghan. And it turns out that he's there mainly for Harry to help him find new paths. But it's been obviously not a good idea. The magazine people in America actually said that it was mutual and it wasn't just him and it wasn't just them. They decided it wasn't suitable. But I tend not to believe that really, because it's just before the two of them go to Colombia. This is a very, very dangerous place.

And he was there for the 10th Invictus Games. He was with Harry in the St. Paul's Cathedral. And he was there in Nigeria trying to look after him, not in a father-son way, but just to make sure that everything went as smoothly as it could be. And to lose your chief of staff is very, very difficult. You must have to grab somebody who will want to help you. They're only going for four days, but they're four dangerous days and they need someone else, but he's off. He couldn't obviously wait just for that. And I think that says it all because you would say look I don't think I'm right for this and they said no I don't think you're either but why don't you come with us to Colombia

let's see you through the trip it's very unusual for somebody who seems as solid as as Josh um that you wait that you you don't wait for actually a big deal well that's the thing he's an experienced guy he had a good track record and i'm sorry if you're blaming anyone angela you've got to look at the people who seem to fall out with whoever they work with it's extraordinary and the other problem that we've got angela is they lie when they're trying to spin to their fond magazines like People or Newsweek, who are very supine and report exactly what they want to, because they're now trying to say, Angela, that they only hired this guy for a trial period. That's rubbish.

We all saw the press release with you trumpeting him as the next best thing. Yet again, you have proven impossible to work with and no one wants to stay. He's 18th or 19th person who has resigned or gone since they left being working royals. Now, that is colossal, isn't it? Because the one thing that the royals need, or even if they're not royals, that people like them need who haven't got experience, especially Meghan, you need to know how to behave, what to do. You need advice. It's very, very important.

And any royal visit abroad is attended by a great deal of attention, that it's safe, that the people that they're going to see are honourable. And it's all done very, very carefully. And this is an absolute disaster. But obviously, there's something there that people don't like. I mean, I know we're going to talk about this later, but she can't find, Megan can't find chefs. And the reason she can't find chefs, I was told, was that she wants top chefs, which sounds very nice, but she interferes with them all the time. Now, if a top chef does his work, he actually doesn't want someone coming in and saying, well, can you do this? Can you cut that a bit slimmer?

It actually will annoy them. And these are the sort of people who don't need a job. They can get a job one, two, three. So it looks very down headed for them. And there's nothing they seem to do about it. I think they don't realise. I think they're so grand now, far more than Harry was grand when he was actually a working royal. And it's difficult for them to try to be normal people and talk to people normally. I mean, I've been in Buckingham Palace and all sorts of palaces and talked to the Ros a lot. And they treat their staff almost like family,

very polite to them, very nice to them. If they've got problems, they try and help out. They expect hard work, but that's all right. But they care about them. And people are there for decades. I mean, Camilla had two aides. One was there for 23 years and one was there for 20 years. And they both retired. So it wasn't they wanted to go.

It just means you need somebody who will stay with you and understand you and help you well both the queen the late queen and the late queen mother of course they had aids as well who stayed with them for decades and decades and angela there's a really key point when you think about this because do you remember when harry and megan were in the royal family it was all because the institution was against them their staff were working against them but there was a real track record of it always being someone else's fault so do you remember they went through three nannies in six weeks that's not normal but of course it was the nannies who were doing a terrible job and they weren't properly looking after Archie then you you had the PA, and this was a PA, who had worked for Robbie Williams.

So big celebrities who have their own diva demands. But no, she was crying all the time because Meghan's demands were so terrible. But of course, that was her fault as well, Angela. She was incompetentent according to Meghan then you even had Samantha Cohen who had worked for the late queen for years and years and years so experienced she couldn't cope with them either Sarah Latham who had worked for big difficult politicians like Hillary Clinton she wasn't good enough so actually it wasn't about the royal family, was it? Because exactly the same thing that happened in the UK in terms of this monumentally high turnover of staff has now been directly repeated in Hollywood.

Yes, it's very interesting, isn't it? I think, you know, Meghan doesn't understand what it's all about because she wasn't there long enough. But on the other hand, she thinks she's very glorious and wonderful and nobody can come near her in what she knows and what she can do. And so it's very difficult. It's going to be, it's not relaxed. And you see as well that when when she was at the palace she said she didn't want anybody to call her by um you know the duchess she thought

it was awful it didn't what's necessarily at all um and now she insists on everybody doing that that so the less she's seen the less she's um being royal the more she wants to be talked to in a very regal way so weird isn't it that is just so weird but angela i don't think we can completely pin this one on megan i mean look we know she's very difficult but Harry has become increasingly miserable increasingly impossible to please and it's very difficult for his staff members too I mean I was looking through a lot of the pictures of Josh Kettler alongside Harry in Nigeria and in every single image Angela Harry had a face like thunder yeah I think I haven't seen him with the face that isn't thunder I'm going through lots of things you know when he was setting up the parents network which we're going to talk about soon um wherever he goes if he comes over to the UK he's very very

moody I think he's in a very bad state and he's in between, in my view, he's between a wooden wooden floor. Rock in a hard place, yeah. Yeah, that's it. A rock in a hard place and he just can't work out how to get out of it or how to change it, let's put it that way. I feel very sorry for him but I'm also very cross with the way he behaves. So it's a very tricky one. And I suppose that Mr. Kettler just thought, you know, this is too much for me. Lots of shouting, screaming, people aren't satisfied, people don't say, oh, thank you, keep you up all night. You know, there's a way that people will work endlessly for the people they like, and others who feel that they're not being treated properly.

And this is a great example of that. There's a famous Taylor Swift song at the moment, Angela, and the lyrics are, it's me, I, I'm the problem, it's me. Surely Harry and Meghan need a little dose of that. They need a reality check. This is about you. It's not about the people working for you look some of them might not have been great but when you're literally talking about every single senior person who comes into your orbit cannot work with you there has to be some sort

of self-reflection doesn't there yes of course it does the thing that is very sad is that Megan is becoming known to being very negative and destroying things. We've seen it with Harry's family that she's not going to ever come to the UK, but she said she is. She just makes things very difficult. A poor father who is now 80, she won't have anything to do with him. She didn't have anyone else at the wedding apart from her mother on her side. And if she doesn't want a friend, she just drops them. She never thinks about them again. So she has moments of being funny and clever and all that. But actually, it's very difficult for her not to turn negative. And I wonder why that is, whether, you know, it's in the family, whether it's upbringing, whether it's just her.

But I think it's something very powerful there that destroys what could have been a very good, helpful, wonderful royal. Yeah, and I think that's a really good point, but I definitely don't think it's the Markle side of the family because that's the side of the family that I've got to know. And actually, if you look at them, Angela, they are positive people. They're go-getters. They are actually really people people. You know, Thomas Markle Jr., Thomas himself, Samantha.

So maybe it comes from the Doria side of the family, the Ragland side of the family. But certainly I don't think that negativity comes from the Markles, even though obviously she gives the Markles a bad name these days. Angela, you reported last week, and of course it's gone all around the world, hair on outspoken, just how unhappy Meghan in particular was after that CBS interview, launching the Parents Network. Do you think that Josh Kettler's departure could be coinciding with that? Because it was such a bad launch.

No one was talking about the Parents Network. Everyone was just talking about this awkward interview. Do you think that could have been the final straw? Well, it's hard to know, isn't it? Because we don't know when he actually said, I'm not coming. You could be set at the last minute. But I think that Meghan was furious that in the interview, it was brought up about her decision. She wanted to kill herself. And she was, you could see she was absolutely furious. You could also see that she was absolutely furious when Harry spoke about what he thought a parent should do, which was rather odd.

And I think that that's really upset her. The interesting thing is, I always thought with Harry, he always showed you what he felt on his face and he still does. You can see whether he's happy or whether he's sad. Sadly, it's mainly sad. But on the other hand, Meghan often had this smile and looked, you know, as if she was a very successful star and smiling and looking nice. But now when something happens, she immediately changes and her face looks terrified. She looks very, very angry and you could see it all there in her stomach that she's furious. How dare they do this to her? And I think that that's quite interesting because it's obviously done in public and we can all get cross in public but you

you don't do that you try not to anyway till you get home and then you can say yeah but she can't even hide it anymore you're right and we saw that didn't we when she came back for the late queen's funeral and there was that very awkward walkabout outside of Windsor Castle alongside William and Catherine. And there was a moment when an aide tried to take some flowers off her. And he seemed like a very nice young man who was trying to help her out. And she snapped at him. And I thought, my goodness, if you're snapping at someone like that, when you know that you're in the glare of the world's media with hundreds and hundreds of cameras on you,

then imagine what you're like behind closed doors at your Montecito mansion. It ain't going to be pretty, is it? That's the interesting thing, that she is an actress, so she ought to be able to turn it on her expressions um to what she wants she shouldn't be overwhelmed by them I think that's quite strange but on that day um you could see she was furious and then when they walked around the four of them they were looking at the flowers and things left on the road and she was turning left and right

because Catherine wasn't giving her any attention and you can see she was so bitter, she was so angry and you want to say, calm down Regan, you know, don't show it. Exactly. Be a better actress. Be a better actress. And be dignified. I mean, everybody knew that she was furious with them, but she had kept them waiting over an hour, actually, before they went out for their walk. So when they wanted to go and see all these flowers and comments and letters.

So I'm sure they would be quite angry but you know that's beside the point she just couldn't she couldn't hold it in Angela can we talk about the Colombian tour because even though there's no chief of staff Harry and Meghan are still going at the invitation of the country's vice president. They arrive, we believe, on Thursday. They're going to be staying at one point in the Sofitel Hotel, which looks quite glamorous, but slightly odd that we know where they're going to be, given all of the security concerns. What are you hearing about this tour, Angela, and what are you expecting to come from it? Well, let me just start by saying, you know, they keep on saying they want

to see the king and how awful it is. You would speak to them all that. But if you really wanted to prove, you know, make him happy, and if you really wanted to get closer to William you wouldn't go on this sort of phony royal tour because they're not royals and they can't have any make any deals they can't make any organizations or discuss anything because they don't have that privilege but it does hurt the royal family because whatever they do and they did some dreadful things in nigeria where they were in may um is it's actually very bad for the royal family because some people aren't going to say well they're not actually raw but they're sort of royal they don't know where they are um so i thought you know they shouldn't have gone the other other thing, talking about parents' network and saying, oh, their

children are so wonderful, so lovely. Why are they leaving them all the time to go, and specifically this place, going to one of the most dangerous countries in the world? If they really cared, why are they going? What are they going to do there? Why are they there? It's just extraordinary. So what I expect is that Meghan would have a whole load of expensive dresses. She'll be smiling and very nice. They speak Spanish there, and she's allegedly a very good speaker of Spanish. And for me, I think we'll see more of Harry with a miserable face because he won't know what nurse being said or done

and he will be left behind. I can't imagine her telling him, saying, let me just tell Harry this. Let me just tell Harry this. This is not happening, is it? But speaking in the language there is a very good way of being friendly. So the idea is that they look at people, children, teenagers, adults, you know, all sorts of ages and all sorts of types.

The idea which people say is that they want to improve their brand. And in Colombia, they want to improve their brand. It's a Labour Party that's running the country. And it's going down the drain because it's being so hopeless. And there's been a lot of fighting and murdering and stealing and all these things. So they think that if they get two glamorous people, it will sort of boost them up. So I think that's the idea of it, that they're both going to take something out of it.

But it's not a good place to be. And it's a pointless place to be. What are they doing? The other thing is, though, that I think Meghan will want to do this to show that she could be a much better royal than the royals in the UK. I mean, she's yearned for this so much. She wants them to know that she's a sort of global guru. And this will help anybody and she can handle anything, but she can't. And the vice president who is taking them around

in her own helicopter is also black, the first black who is a vice president. And she's delighted that Meghan would be there. She thinks it's absolutely wonderful. And they can talk very familiarly, you know, during the time. But when they go off to certain areas, it's going to be really, really dangerous. So they're going to have a load of people supporting them and looking after them.

Paid for by Colombian taxpayers, by the way. Paid for by the taxpayer. Who might not be that happy about their money being spent in a poverty-stricken company on Harry and Meghan's security. The other thing is, Angela, you talk about the government going downhill, and there's been loads of scandals involving this Colombian government, including with the president. So isn't there the risk that Harry and Meghan are just being used as political pawns here, and they've made themselves vulnerable as a result? Yeah, absolutely. That's what I meant, really. You've expressed it very well, thank you.

Just that they will be used so that when they go there and they show photographs of them around the world, they will think, you know, everyone will think that we're fine and it's safe and we're wonderful because look who we've got here. I think it's going to be a very, very difficult meeting, particularly as they won't have the Chief of Staff there. I know, because he has been dispensed of. You can just imagine them, couldn't you, in medieval times, them just locking all of these former staff members who don't appease their every whim in the tower. Angela Levin, stand by because we have so much more from you coming up in just one moment. Lots more royal developments, including

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