Dan Wootton Outspoken - DOUGLAS MURRAY SLAMS "DANGEROUS" UK POLICE FOR LOCKING UP BRITS OVER SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium The international outrage over Brits being locked up for Facebook posts and tweets, as violent criminals remain on the street, is growing, with Douglas Murray lashing out at the UK police as “Orwellian” as he says the UK is entering dangerous waters. Dan reacts to his humiliation of the Labour government and Alastair Campbell, who is trying to get him arrested. Then top analysis from his Superstar Panel Connor Tomlinson and Harrison Pitt, hosts of the New Culture Forum’s Deprogrammed podcast. PLUS: Lady Colin Campbell is live and unleashed as Prince Harry and Meghan Markle begin their Colombian tour while refusing to visit the UK for his uncle’s funeral. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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in recent years, are knocking on people's doors and arresting them for Facebook posts, for retweeting things. In my digest next, I'll reveal why this madness is so clearly designed to stop the neglected white working classes expressing their very understandable fears about mass immigration. Also coming up today, Reform UK's massive poll surge as the party overtakes the dying Tories to become the unofficial opposition despite the riot smears against Nigel Farage. And we'll have all the best analysis today from the co-hosts of the brilliant deprogrammed podcast, Connor Tomlinson and Harrison Pitt.

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I would argue at the moment. But now, let's go. us to continue making this independent daily news show. And that is more important than ever, I would argue at the moment. But now let's go. This is Julie Sweeney, a 53 year old from Kidsgrove, who has lived a quiet, sheltered life in Cheshire and is the primary caregiver to her ill husband. After the Southport massacre, she posted a highly inappropriate message to a community group on Facebook with 5,100 members about blowing up a mosque. She deleted the post. She said she had no intention to put people in fear, certainly no intention to actually do anything. In fact, she has now said she will

delete her social media accounts altogether. Her lawyer said she accepts it was stupid and added it was a single comment on a single day and that this woman, Julie, has not troubled the courts in her long life. But Judge Stephen Everett, the recorder of Chester following Two-Tier Care's establishment narrative to destroy white working class folks' lives if they were involved in the unrest in any way, well, he wasn't having any of it. He told her, you should have been looking at the news media with horror, like every right minded person. Instead, you chose to take part in stirring up hatred. So-called keyboard warriors like you must learn to take responsibility for your disgusting and inflammatory language. And with that, Julie Sweeney was locked up for 15 months in prison.

Her husband won't be cared for, even though this is a woman who so clearly poses no threat to public safety. This is not justice. It's vengeance. And it's a warning to all of us. Do not step out of line or we'll bang you up. Meanwhile, look at this headline from the Daily Telegraph. Career criminals walk free in soft justice scandal. Offenders with more than a hundred convictions get slap on wrist instead of jail time. But don't worry about the violence. Facebook and X is where the real crime is taking place, apparently. This is all completely mad. A 15-year-old schoolboy is now facing 10 years in jail after the charges against him, which related to the unrest in Sunderland on August 2nd, were strengthened to riot.

A Glasgow man, who actually I've always found to be a very good person to follow on X, is facing charges too. Now, according to the BBC, Nottingham Magistrates Court heard the post were alleged to contain anti-Muslim and anti-establishment rhetoric. What the hell? So being anti-establishment rhetoric. What the hell? So being anti-establishment online could now be considered a criminal offence? Well, in that case, you might as well just lock me up right now. Starmer is turning the UK into a police state,

something like North Korea. We've already seen David Spring, a retired 61-year-old former train driver from Sutton, and Sellafield worker Lee Joseph Dunn become victims of two-tier Kears-Wolk Stasi. This is all so over the top. Lucy Connolly, the wife of a conservative politician, is behind bars on remand because of her social media post, an indignity usually reserved for violent criminals.

But the fight back has begun against this madness so clearly designed to stop the neglected white working classes expressing their very understandable fears about mass immigration. And it's the brilliant Douglas Murray leading the charge. As you say, the person who does not have the platform that I have or the means that Elon Musk has, what about them when, as is happening all the time at the moment in the UK,

police forces that have not solved one burglary, yes, you heard that right, not one burglary in recent years, are knocking on people's doors and arresting them for Facebook posts, for retweeting things. Sure, there are some people who've said some horrible things and disgraceful things in recent weeks. But oh my, the priorities of the British police,

you know, they are really treading into very, very dangerous Orwellian waters. I, it turns out, and the rest of the public in Britain can't trust them to solve a burglary. Would I trust them to police my speech? No, I don't think so. Hell no. And there are other heroes being brave enough to speak up too. Toby Young's absolutely essential free speech union has declared Sir Keir Starmer's strong army and the authorities to prosecute people for imprudent social media posts will have a chilling effect on free speech.

At the Free Speech Union, we're fighting back. The Conservative woman, Cathy Ginja, she declared, 10 years for rioting is not enough. Sentences should be longer, judges say. This is not even two-tier justice. And it's not justice at all, but revenge and sheer vindictiveness. And the academic Philip Casale made this very important point. Will they be jailing the thugs who call for intifada on a weekly basis? And what about those who chant from the river to the sea? Should be space enough for a good few hundred thousand Jew haters now they're emptying the prisons.

Somehow, I think it's 53-year-old carers, lone and female, who take priority. It's the only time they're top of the list for anything. I'm ashamed of my country. And I hate to say it, but with this sort of two-tier justice now being celebrated by the establishment and the MSM, I am too. Time now for today's superstar panel. And today I am delighted to be joined by the co-hosts of the New Culture Forum's brilliant Deprogrammed. I was delighted to appear on their program. I think it was last week or the week before, but check that out after the show on the New Culture Forum. It's Connor Tomlinson, who is also host of Tomlinson Talks

on Lotus Eaters and making his outspoken debut, Harrison Pitt, Senior Editor at the European Conservative and a fellow at the New Culture Forum. Great to have you both here. So, Connor, what do you make of Julie being locked up for 15 months for an imprudent, yes, and a very inappropriate post on Facebook when we see violent criminals being released? Well, I want to reiterate at the start of your show, Dan, it's good to see you again.

This is why Harrison, I, all of my colleagues over at Lotus Eaters have always said, do not do anything stupid in regard to these riots or even the protests. Don't start a fight with police. Don't go and burn down a migrant hotel or loot a Greggs or a Lush. Those are all criminal behaviours damage violence terrible don't condone it but also even if you are grieving over the poor girls that were murdered in southport even if you are frustrated by the privileging of islam by the financial and legal sector over the native British population, and even some of

its grateful house guests like the Jewish community in this country, even if you are enraged by all of those things, do not say anything that incites violence or is inflammatory out of the ordinary, because this regime is looking for an excuse to crush you beneath its boot. And so that is an unwise thing for her to do. However, considering we had Daily Mail reporting about two weeks ago that a 14-year-old boy was stabbed to death, and one of his killers got, what was it, eight years? Another of his killers got his sentence downgraded to manslaughter, got given two years, but under Labour's plans to act like Bane from The Dark Knight Rises and free the prisons of all of their psychos,

he's now being let out after six months. Bearing in mind, some of these people that have put up social media posts and been arrested for inaccurately sharing the identity of the stabber, not being the second-generation Rwandan immigrant, but some Muslim asylum seeker, which was wrong, some of those people are looking at charges that are far longer even than that. So you can be party for murdering a teenager and get a shorter sentence and be out on the street. But if you put something naughty on social media, you will be locked up. This is insane.

It is insane. And the thing is, Harrison, no one is excusing any violence or anyone who is inciting violence. It's not actually about that, though, because lots of these social media posts, I've seen them. They are political opinions. Yes, maybe expressed inartfully in the heat of the moment. But if we're a country that locks people up for this, I think, number one, that is chilling. is terrifying it's really worrying but we know harrison that all of the folk who were inciting violence on the jewish population after october 7th for weeks and weeks and weeks were not locked up were not charged they weren't even condemned there there have also thank you as well for having me on your show dan it's uh it's privileged to be here um there have also been numerous cases of people from, let's say, accredited victim groups who have made truly

bilious comments about not only Jews, but also the white host population online. In 2015, there was a woman by the name of Baha Mustafa, who posted on her social media account, kill all white men, which I would argue is a much more direct incitement to violence than many of the examples which we've seen play out on our social media. And in fact, she had her charges summarily dropped by the Metropolitan Police. And this woman, of course, belongs to what under our work moral order gets classed as a sort of accredited victim group. Whereas the kinds of people that you're willing out as examples, I forget the names of the individuals involved, but people who are saying things like who the F is Allah, people involved, but people who are saying things like, who the F is Allah, people talking,

people engaging in rage rhetoric on Facebook, people who are understandably, and in many cases, hot-headedly and deplorably furious, or rather their reaction is deplorable, about what's been going on in our country, the elite betrayal we've seen over the last 30 years. These people belong to a different category. And I would argue that this is inseparable from our descent into a woke moral order. And this enforces

all of us, this woke moral order has captured all of our institutions at the moment. And the useful thing as well is that you don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to sign up to any of this. There doesn't have to be a sort of single guiding intelligence. There doesn't have to be a cabal that's pushing for two-tier policing as such. All you need is an endemic culture in the police force. And that's one we've had since the McPherson report. The police have been trying to prove their anti-racist bona fides. And particularly since the George Floyd riots as well, that was ratcheted up. And so what you have is a situation at the moment where if one of the regime's accredited victim groups commits a crime,

the approach will be plodding, pervasive, and as pathetic as the law can be diluted to allow. Whereas if one of the same victim groups claims to sanctity is felt to be threatened by a certified oppressor, the approach will be swift, despotic, and as severe as the law can be stretched to authorize. And this is what happens organically when you have an endemic culture in the police force as an as in every institution and it's also what happens um it's also an inseparable byproduct of our experiment with diversity and multiculturalism because we simply do have in this country now um sort of indigestible foreign diasporas who do not consent to be police anything like as readily as the host population does and i think uh there's one sense in which uh the police is um overze sense in which the police is overzealous

and the justice system's overzealous reaction to the enraged response to the murder of three girls in Southport can be classed as an attempt to finger wag at the host population and say, you're not going to get away with these tactics as readily as certain other groups do. Dee, but the thing is, Con connor i'm speaking to lots of folk who are intelligent who are maybe high profile or political or journalists and they're looking at all of this and starting to worry about being arrested so it is having the impact that starmer wants it to have

well there's absolutely a chilling effect. I mean, Harrison and I both have friends and colleagues who have been texting us saying, can you ensure that this tweet is okay for us to send out, lads? Because you've usually got cooler heads than most other people in the sphere. And even though they have no reason under a fair and just system of the law to fear being cracked down on for doing good and proper citizen journalism, they're terrified to just do their job. And the reason is, we all know

that there is a two-tier application of the law in this country that cuts in favour of both the approved victim identity groups that Harrison has said, but also in favour of various NGOs and MPs and members of the establishment. Jess Phillips, our favourite MP over at the Lotus Eaters, decided to run cover for armed Muslim mobs intimidating a female Sky News journalist and say that Richard Tice was spreading fake news when, frankly, Richard admirably was calling this out. And she gets away with just saying, oh, sorry, I shouldn't have done that. And I'll take a break from Twitter for a while because everyone else is giving me a pile on. So Jess Phillips in this scenario is now the victim. Yeah. When I didn't even say sorry, by the way, I looked at her comments really closely today. She didn't say

sorry. She said, oh, it was a bit of a mistake. I wish I'd phrased it differently. But there's none of that sympathy given to the folk who maybe were an artful in their tweets on the day of the massacre itself, when emotions were running incredibly high. So you're right, it's yet another example of a two-tier society. Likewise, Nick Lowles from the ironically named charity Hope Not Hate, absolutely no repercussions for him, Harrison, even though his spreading of misinformation which was actually about muslim women being attacked uh with acid actually provably did cause violence and unrest on the streets so we know that there's two-tier even when it comes to this particular moment in time.

It is crucial to point out that just as no one person or no one group has a monopoly on truth, so too no one person or no one group has a monopoly indeed on misinformation. And we've seen countless examples in legacy media and elsewhere of more approved groups, whether NGOs or whether approved individuals who are courtiers of the regime rather than um heroic and sometimes less heroic dissenters against uh the regime nicholas is just one example spreading that incendiary rumor about a muslim woman being being acid attacked i mean that that should surely qualify um under not under the standards that i would like to see in force um but under under the standards which which clearly are enforced for certain other groups and for certain other individuals, that clearly should qualify as a potential incitement to, it's sort of an invitation to a very, to a

community which is very tribal to act in certain ways, particularly when we were seeing all sorts of videos on social media, crucially not in the mainstream media, lots of videos on social media of white people being effectively singled out by marauding Muslim gangs. We saw that in Birmingham, we saw that elsewhere as well. But you've also got journalists denying the lab leak theory in the New York Times, and you've got

the hands up, don't shoot slogan that incited BLM, and I think there have even been some very diligent studies demonstrating that, particularly in the United States, demonstrating that depending on how respondents identify politically, something like very liberal, liberal, independent, conservative, very conservative, and then you ask these people from these different cohorts how many unarmed black men get killed by police every year. It's

people who are most addicted to legacy media, people in the very liberal groups, and the liberal groups who massively overestimate the number of black men who actually find themselves in this situation nearly get some of them getting up to 10,000, some of them getting up to 1000, when the actual number is more around 30 or 35. And it's actually the conservatives, the people who are sort of terminally online, who are much more clued in. And that's only going to be more, even more the case now that Elon Musk has taken control over Twitter and has brought in what I think is a very salutary community notes function, which enables things to be corrected, not in a top-down fashion, but in a kind of organic, deregulated fashion in real time by people who correct things.

And we've seen this touch both right-wing of misinformation and left wing examples of misinformation. But the second point, and the final point I would want to make as well, is that even the people who are picked on by our legacy media, for having incited these riots, so for example, people, Tommy Robinson's name crops up a lot. Tommy Robinson would not exist, quite quite apart from what you think of him. And I happen to think that he doesn't get a very fair shake at times, although in other respects, I think he's often his own worst enemy. He would not exist without the decades-long treachery of our elites. And

a crucial question which I like to ask to prove this point is, where is the Hungarian Tommy Robinson? He doesn't exist. It's because the Hungarian elites have done a good job at honouring their people's wishes ever since their liberation from communism in 1991. Our elite has done a bad job and so it saddles itself with these secondary problems of people who frankly probably shouldn't be in politics. Tommy Robinson should be an anonymous Luton fan. None of us should ever have heard of him. It's only because of people like Alison Campbell, people like Blair, and I'm sure we're going to get to these figures earlier, that these sort of secondary problems, if you want to class Tommy Robinson as a problem,

exist at all. Almost none of what gets tied as far right would exist without the treachery of our elites. But then you've got the mainstream media, Conor, doubling down on this narrative that it's completely wrong to question mass immigration at all. I want to show you this column from my good fellow in The Guardian, which has one of those headlines that you would probably think were a spoof if we knew The Guardian wasn't so crazy. It was headlined, we keep hearing about legitimate concerns over immigration. The truth is there are none. So we shouldn't even be having this conversation, Connor.nor yeah i got sent

this article and someone said oh do you want to cover it for lotus eaters and i was i just thought frankly this is not convincing anyone except they're increasingly insane and dwindling readership um the only thing i would focus on are who gets invited to parliament and what the mps themselves are writing in the papers or their preferred heads of the NGOs. And I say that because Nick Lowell not only hasn't been arrested, Hope Not Hate were invited to Parliament earlier in the week to give a dossier on thought criminals like presumably me, because I have a page now, you Dan, because GB News is in their state of hate report. So despite spreading false information that probably led people to be attacked on the basis that they were white by Muslim retaliation gangs,

they get invited into the big tent club. And then David Lammy takes to the Times and has the audacity to tell English people, because when they say far right, they mean the English working class who refuse to have their identity dissolved into the multicultural melting pot. He had the temerity to tell English people, whose ancestors have been here for millennia, that they are the ones that need to assimilate, because actually Britain and England is a nation of values.

And those values just happen to be liberalism, multiculturalism, tolerance, and universal love for all mankind, including all of these communities, which don't seem to meld with the liberal dream all that much. So notice what the politicians themselves are saying, not just their insane acolytes in The Guardian alike. What they're trying to do is rob the indigenous English, the host population, of an entitlement to stick up for their history, their heritage, their identity, and their homeland against

hordes of invaders who would like to commit crimes against their family and have the audacity to rob them of their pocketbook and live at their expense. I think it's disgraceful. Well, yeah. And by the way, not just want to commit crimes, have committed crimes, have committed some of the worst atrocities in modern British history from the Ariana Grande concert to 7-7. It's not as if this is an irrational fair. It's happened. You know, we've seen the consequences of it. But look, it's really interesting, Harrison,

to see what happens too when a true freedom fighter, and there aren't many, ends up in the mainstream media. So this is what happened and how Claire Fox was questioned on Newsnight last night. Have a look and I'll get you to react off the back. So you've always been picky about your produce. But now you find yourself checking every label to make sure it's Canadian.

So be it. At Sobeys, we always pick guaranteed fresh Canadian produce first. Restrictions apply. See in-store or online for details. Are you saying that from your perspective, the material perspective, absolute freedom of saying whatever you want to without consequences?

Even if it incites misinformation and incites... No, first of all, incitement is a particular and very specific, I'm going to instruct you to go and, you know, I'm telling you to go and burn that mosque down, right? That's incitement, that is against the law. Some of the things that people are being, right, to use an example today, because you actually said a 53 year old woman, the judge actually said, I'm finding this difficult. He's actually sent her to prison for I think 18 months. She's a sole carer of a disabled person. She's basically a quiet person who said something really violent and so immediately the point was made to claire harrison oh so so anything goes does it and there's no acceptance actually that you can have a nuanced discussion about free speech and that we know

there's a real difference between what julieweeney said, which was a generalized comment. Yeah, quite hateful. I'm not actually defending the comment in any way. But it's very different than making a specific threat against a specific religious institution. It's very, very interesting. Firstly, I should say that I admire Claire Fox's forbearance still appearing on Newsnight. I can barely watch it these days, let alone attend and have to mix

with all those insufferable minutes in the green room. I can expect that. Maybe I'll find out one day. But in any case, yes, what's very interesting is when the standards of incitement or the standards for I can expect that. Maybe I'll find out one day. But in any case, yes, there's a, what's very interesting is when the standards

of incitement or the standards for inciting racial hatred are relaxed and when they're not. I mean, I quoted that example earlier of Baham Mustafa, a Cypriot Turk

who was born in London in 2015 saying, kill all white men. That's on social media. 2015 charges were summarily dropped by the metropolitan police well harrison what about the bbc itself who actually broadcast a comedy show remember it was hosted by frankie boyle and had a black comedian on who actually said kill whitey as some sort of joke and it not only uh was broadcast there was no outcry there was no investigation

by the off communists completely and i also that now that you mentioned the bbc i remember joe brand's comment about someone throwing acid in the face of nigel farage um it'd be much less funny if it actually happened i also remember one of one of the most contorted new york times articles i've ever read where they tried to dissect that song which is quite popular among um african communists afro-centrist communists in south africa so kill the boar kill the book kill the ball it's not one of the most subtle songs you'll ever encounter in the world yet the new york times was trying to dissect it line by line and explain how there's actually much more context here but of course rule britannia which doesn't contain anything which could possibly be classed as incitement is all of a sudden really problematic at the problems or whatever when it comes to be sung and so it look under

the work moral order you need a certain amount of inequality in order to fight equality and this that this is this is what this is what we're um seeing in And yes, it's very unscrupulous, very un-nuanced in terms of standards of free speech. I would want to make three distinctions, I suppose, about free speech. And I think Julie, is her name Julie Sweeney? I think her comments would fall into what I would call horrible rage rhetoric. And I don't think that that meets the much more exacting standards of incitement, which Claire Fox was trying to lay out on Sky News, which have to be very specific and very direct. As for the incitement, and for incitement to violence, I think that should remain part of the law. I would be in favour if it actually exists of getting, because I'm not a lawyer,

but I would be in favour of getting rid of any um laws which which which are as nebulous as to couch themselves in incitement to racial hatred which is likely to incite racial hatred it doesn't even say you have to intend to have incited racial hatred it just has to be likely and yes because because the thing is harrison it's a turn of phrase like again i'm not actually defending what julie sweeney said but I will defend our right to use terms of phrase. For example, quite often people will say about Westminster, oh, let's just burn the whole place down. They don't actually mean go and burn down the Houses of Parliament, do they? It's a turn of phrase. And I think the problem is this nuance has been taken away, Connor, for

very specific purposes. Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, I wonder if I'll be slapped in cuffs because I've got Guy Fawkes ominously over my shoulder in my background on my show. This has been a longstanding debate about the borders of incitement to violence ever since Henry II once said, won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest? And then Canterbury Cathedral became incredibly famous. But it's all well and good for us to debate the boundaries of the law. The thing is, with the law, it doesn't matter. As Joseph de Maistre once said of constitutions, constitutions only matter insofar as the people who wrote the documents are still around to uphold their values. If the people who

are living under the law don't believe in the fairness of the common law system, if they don't believe in the fact that the values of a nation are those held by their host population, they can't just be chopped and changed and showered upon someone if they step through Gatwick or Heathrow, the law no longer matters. It's just who is applying the law that matters. And we know all of these judges are usually captured activists. We saw this with how the Supreme Court handled not only the Brexit litigation, but their recent ruling in favour of insane climate activists that ensured that now every time we drill for North Sea oil, you have to take into account hypothetical emissions out into the future, shutting down

our ability to be energy independent. The law is a tool of activists. It's no longer a tool of justice. And we should all do well to recognise that. Totally, because what about all of those eco-terrorists who turned up at the bank with hammers and caused £500,000 worth of criminal damage and were let off by the judge?

So again, there's loads of examples of this two-tier policing. But look, I think what's really interesting is that the public are completely out of step, as ever, with the mainstream media on this, as the latest political poll shows. And I know it's very early in the cycle, but given what's going on, I think this is really significant. Labour, slump six points, no change for the Conservatives, but look at what's happened to Reform UK. Now the unofficial opposition surging five points. And Harrison, that's despite the unhinged criticism,

trying to blame Nigel Farage for the riots. It reflects very well on the people of this country that despite the relentless gaslighting, despite the stranglehold in legacy outlets, at least over the dissemination of information and the spread of opinion, they are not universally fooled. And I think this poll attests to that. And so does some of the polling that YouGov did, I believe, in the aftermath of these riots, which seem to have died down a little. But I think about a week or so ago,

it turns out that people are capable of making distinctions between legitimate grievances and motives for action, which are grounded in a certain amount of concern and anger and the actions themselves. And what we saw when you have tried to break down the public reaction to the riots and protests protests not all of them have been violent um is that a majority not only of reform voters you would expect that 95 percent of reform voters thought that mass immigration policy in the last 20 years had had to answer uh for some of the blame but even a majority of a small majority of labor voters even a small majority of lib dem voters and around 78 percent of conservative

voters also thought that that in mass immigration policy in the last 20 years was partly culpable. But they managed to combine that when polled with opposition to the riots themselves. And so the public are wiser than they're given credit for. But Reform UK have been really strong as well, don't you think, Connor? I mean, they're taking risks here, especially going completely against the narrative, knowing they're going to face criticism. Nigel's obviously pulled back a little bit, but I think he was right to ask questions of the police and of the authorities in the days after the Southport massacre. And by the way, we still don't have the answers to the questions that he asked. But you've also had Richard Tice being incredibly strong on two-tier justice, specifically when it comes to the case of the two guys at Manchester Airport who we saw with our own eyes beat up the police and still haven't been charged with a crime.

We've had Rupert Lowe doing some really good work as well. So I actually think Reform UK deserve this surge. Yeah, I think Reform and look ahead of the election, I had some criticisms for them being a bit too soft. I know my colleagues were a bit more incendiary than I was at times. And I have heard that Reform has taken that to heart a little bit. Yeah. Oh, well, I think Reform are finally fitting the mould of the party that they need to be, and that is the party that represents the interests of the indigenous population who are having their interests and their identity erased in the name of turning the entire UK into some

big airport lounge that people can just come and go from, and it's indistinguishable from everywhere else. Actually, we quite like our country, we like the rule of law. We like our little Anglican coffee mornings sometimes. And so I think that Richard Tice coming out and saying, no, we shouldn't denigrate the armed police officers for responding with strength, because for all we know, this chap could have grabbed his gun and he was right to do so, and he should get a medal. Rather than them towing the line, as the Conservatives have done, rendering themselves an entity despite having a public leadership election going on, I think they're doing the absolute right thing. I think Farage is doing these addresses and presenting himself as a statesman in waiting.

I think what they need to do is go on the offensive as soon as Parliament comes back. The only misstep I will say is in saying we need a debate about mass immigration. We need a referendum about it. No, no, no. We all know it's awful. We've got the reports that it's an economic detriment. We know who's committing the crimes. What we need now is legislation.

Reform should be drafting oven-ready legislation to ensure that they can have parliamentary debates about this and make it so that if Labour shoots this down, it's on Labour and they are alienating their voters where reform are in the heartlands of the Labour heartlands, where reform is second. That is the strategy to do. And I did see Ben Habib this morning actually disagreeing with Richard Tice over the idea of a referendum.

He agrees with you, Connor. He says we don't need it. The British public have made their mind up already and including in multiple general elections. Harrison, do you think though, and look, I know it's a long time away, but do you agree with me that Nigel Farage certainly has a good chance of being prime minister come 2029 when you look at this environment and you look at the early polling and you see how well Reform UK did in those Labour seats, I think they came second and well over 90

with only a few weeks of campaigning. Yes, and I might have my fingers slightly wrong here. It was either, I think, in two thirds of seats which Conservatives lost, Reform had a vote share, which if you added it to the Conservative vote share, it would also have defeated Labour. And so a lot will also depend. I certainly think it's likely, to answer your question directly, Dan, I think it's likely that it was around a month ago, because I think public opinion and public sensibilities really are up for grabs. In this

moment in particular, and I'm sure there will be many other flashpoints over the next five years that reform, electorally at least, can take advantage of. They just need to play their cards right, try not to fall into certain habits that the conservatives have indulged in in recent years. My main concern with reform is that in their effort to professionalize, which is very important, you need to be a professional outfit, you need to have a national infrastructure, you need to make sure that you haven't got cranks in the movement who are an optics nightmare.

But my real concern is that in their efforts to professionalise, they will end up neutering themselves as a political movement and become something roughly equivalent to the Tories and turquoise. And that's not what we want. And so far over the last three or four weeks, I would say that the trend lines have been positive along those criteria. Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. But that's why I've been really happy to see them doing the opposite of that, actually, over the past few weeks, despite all of the criticism from the mainstream media. And I hope they see this polling and think it's working. Let's ignore the criticism because we've got to represent the real people of Britain. Now, I want to move on to this extraordinary row between Douglas Murray, the academic, the author, the spectator columnist, and Alastair Campbell, the man who led us into war

on a dodgy dossier. Now, it all was sparked by this interview that Douglas Murray gave about what had happened in the Southport massacre. So in case you missed it, here's a reminder of what sparked all of this feud. The worst thing for me is it's exactly what I said would happen. And the reason I wrote The Strange Death of Europe and the reason I banged on about this for years beforehand was I said it is so obvious what is going to happen. And it gives me, I was so angry watching it when it could have been stopped. Yeah, it sucks to be right about something so bad. I wanted to be wrong. However, there is a deep, deep distrust among the political class in the UK

about the British public. They really don't seem to like them. They really don't seem to like them. They're so eager to attack the general public and cover over for any... Now, Alistair Campbell went completely mad over this. He copied in the Metropolitan Police saying that Douglas Murray should be arrested. He compared him to Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda tweet. Well, overnight, Douglas Murray has responded. Watch. What is going on in the UK?

And do you fear that police are scrutinising your tweets and interviews and things you've written? Well, all that caused this was the fact that I've used my eyes in recent decades and I've also used my pen. And I have described what has happened to my country of birth, Great Britain, and the continent of Europe, and indeed the wider developed world and the challenges that come through illegal and legal mass migration. That's not all migration, but illegal and legal mass migration.

Interestingly enough, this interview that seems to have caused this breakdown from Alastair Campbell was one in which I simply said what I describe in The Strange Death of Europe as happening is indeed what is now happening. And I said this, as many people have noted, not in a spirit of glee, but in one of deep lamentation. I never wanted to be proved right on this, and it gives me absolutely no joy to have been proven right that the importing of very large numbers of people, illegally and legally, from very different cultures into a society which totally fails to integrate them, will to massive problems including at some point a

massive backlash he then went on to deliver the most brutal and brilliant takedown of alistair campbell i've heard so far i'm only responsible for pointing out the facts and the lamentable situation that he got our country into there's a couple of other things very quickly Rita. Of course this man Campbell is best known for his lying dossier about WMD in Iraq which helped bounce Britain and other countries into the Iraq war. So if he had any kind of sense of decency he would have disappeared from public life a long time ago. He was also of course the person who hounded Dr David Kelly to suicide and that's one of the really interesting things about alistair campbell he's an unbelievable bully and a hack and one of the things about him like most hacks and bullies of

his kind he thinks that he can hide behind as he always does the claim that he himself is very mentally fragile one of the interesting things about that is he can chase people like David Kelly to suicide. But if you criticize Alistair Campbell for his frequent bursts of utter insanity, he says that you are using his mental health against him. He's a totally sick individual on every possible level. I make no apology for pointing out the terrible things that he and his friends did to my country here here and of course alistair campbell has joined the annoying leftist boars threatening to leave x he wrote on the platform of course like a lot of people and thinking about

leaving extra uh given how truly awful it has become since Toy Town Trumpy, Fashboy, Elon Musk took over, staying for now on the grounds you should fight the far right wherever they are, but meanwhile have set up with Blue Skies. So if you're already there, please do follow me. I've got no idea what Blue Skies have, zero interest in it. But Connor Tomlinson, I did point out earlier that since he posted that ex yesterday, he has already made seven new posts on the platform. So he's not going anywhere, is he? What a victory for Douglas Murray. I think we can both agree.

Boy, any time some leftist said that they're going to leave the platform, Lewis Goodall did it earlier this week. It's like a smack addict itching their arm and saying, don't worry, I've ditched the turner key and the spoon, so I'll be absolutely sure not to take any more heroin while they're eyeing up a brick in the corner. It's like a smack addict itching their arm and saying, don't worry, I've ditched the tourniquet and the spoon, so I'll be absolutely sure not to take any more heroin while they're eyeing up a brick in the corner. Look, Douglas is fantastic.

His rhetorical takedowns are excellent. I texted him before he actually went on this Sky News Australia thing, and he unfavourably compared these sort of people to dementors trying to come for his career. And Vampire, in their irrelevancy, because they seem to have gone absolutely everything right from foreign policy to immigration policy in the last how many years, his IQ points and his fame. Alistair Campbell, I think the man should be held culpable for being party to the murder of thousands of Iraqis and British servicemen, frankly.

And as with things happening in politics these days, I'm proud to say I also ratioed him on X by pointing out that Douglas Murray wrote The Strange Death of Europe because he lamented a civil conflict happening and wanted to stop it. Alistair Campbell lied in the dodgy dossier and encouraged a war to happen. And he's the one that's saying Douglas Murray should be held accountable for inciting violence. Not really washing with the British public, I don't think. No, indeed. Harrison, what did you make of this, Raoul? I must say, we're still waiting on a whole raft of celebrities to leave the United States after Donald Trump. After Donald Trump was elected in 2016, that's a promise they regularly make as well. Not only that they will leave these private platforms, but that they will leave their own countries, such as their horror, until they discover that, in fact, it's actually far more lucrative to work on The View or work on CNN or work on MSNBC

and spend all day howling about Donald Trump's calumnies. lucrative to work on The View or work on CNN or work on MSNBC and howl from night from and spend all day howling about Donald Trump's calumnies. Yes, I was not impressed by Alastair Campbell's interventions into the debate. And I was very impressed by Douglas Murray's as ever. And it goes back a little bit to what I was saying earlier about no one having a monopoly on truth and no one having a monopoly on misinformation, there are sort of two theories of truth which are kind of conflicting against each other in our society. And I would argue that Alastair Campbell represents a sort of top-down theory of truth. Like truth exists in this sort of weird, abstract, mosaic realm. And we have these especially qualified members of the nexus of media, cultural and political

elites who just have truth wired into them and implemented in a managerial style onto the population. And therefore censorship is in fact very compatible with that theory of truth because there isn't a belief as there is on the second theory of truth, which I'm much more a subscriber to and clearly Douglas Murray is as well. And I think Elon Musk is too, that truth that human beings are tricky and truth emerges from clashes of different perspectives, people comparing notes with one another. And I should say that I'm against the top down theory of truth in principle, but I'm certainly against the top down theory of truth if the enforcers are

going to be unhinged, terminally dishonest ideologues like alice campbell it's a very good way to put it very good way to put it such a pleasure to have both of you today harrison pitt connor tomlinson they are the hosts of deprogrammed on the new culture forum it was a great pleasure to be a guest with them was it last week gosh so much has been going on all the week before you can find it on the new culture forum page. And I hope to have you both back on Outspoken very soon. Thank you so much. Now, breaking right now, Harry and Meghan have arrived in Colombia on this fake, phony royal tour. And you know who you want to hear from about this. Lady Colin Campbell. She's here in just one minute. But you know I've only promised to talk to you about products on this show that are actually

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by photographers but clearly they're already setting up their own pictures what do you make of this trip lady c well they're not only set hi dan how are you, guys? Very well, thank you. Thank you very much for having me on. It's good to see you. So good to see you. Well, I don't know if you have been getting reports from them, but I have been getting reports from them, not obviously directly, but through my friends. You know, they have this woman called Bianca Bettencourt, who is the cultural editor of harpersbazaar.com. She is writing the press releases. The press releases are written in the most pathetic sort of, you've got to understand this is how it's got to be reported way, you know, a warm welcome.

I mean, nothing, interwoven with the fact is all sorts of manipulative information to create the atmosphere of desirability that Harry and Meghan require, which is totally unprofessional. And of course, if they had been going to have a proper pool journalist, they would have had someone from Reuters or from Associated Press, which is what royals do on tour. Of course, they're not really royals, they're ex-royals. And you know, the way they're doing it is, it's propagandized and they're setting the tone. And I've been, friends of mine are feeding me the information that Harry and Meghan are feeding

them and and we are all killing ourselves with laughter in the background because it's also unprofessional and it's also lightweight but it's also not particularly desirable. It's really quite dangerous because there's a strong racist element to this whole trip and to the purpose of the trip. If you listen to what Francia Marquez has had to say. Now, she's the vice president of Colombia, isn't she? Yes, she is. And she is the one who claims that she asked them. She asked them, having been prompted by Meghan to ask her. Obviously, both Francia Marquez and Meghan share a lot in common, including the need to twist the narrative and and to propagandize. And both of them will be playing the race card, which I think is very dangerous, especially in a country like Colombia. Colombia only has 6.8% of people of African descent. And Francia Marquez, since she has been elected,

which has only been for two years, she has been doing the, oh, poor me, I'm a black woman, and I'm being taken advantage of, and I've had 12,000 negative comments about me. Well, I have far more than 12,000 negative comments about me per annum. Me too. Well, exactly, don't you? No, indeed. And what I found so ridiculous is that Francia claimed, Lady C,

that she had invited the couple after being so inspired by watching their insipid Netflix documentary. So the moment she said that, I thought, OK, this woman's lying. She's not telling the truth because no one was inspired by the Netflix reality show. It was so awful. But when you say racist, Lady C, can you elaborate on that a bit more? Yes. I have friends and relations who are Colombian. So I have some insight into what's going on in Colombia. And this government is extremely unpopular. It's extremely inept.

And it's to her credit, she is the first black vice president of Colombia. And, but she is using her race, not in a constructive way, but in a destructive way, in a divisive way. And of course, she and Meghan are two peas of the same pod. Well, I was going to say, who does that sound like? Who does that sound like? Well, exactly. You know, mirror images, even though one has to sort of enhance while the other can just go au naturel. But you notice Francia Marquez goes totally naturel while Meghan always makes sure that she doesn't. Definitely has to be strange.

So are they being used as political pawns, Lady C c or do they want to be political pawns do you see what i mean i think they are both using color to advance their themselves politically and personally. Now, I mean, I'm Jamaican, Dan, as you know, and we had a very racially aware prime minister called Michael Mann, who was incidentally three-quarter white, and he used the colour card in the most destructive way, and Jamaica has has never recovered from it and it is something that people who have great ambition but don't have great ability and don't really have leadership ability and don't have the understanding of what leadership is all about. They will use conveniences like the race card. Michael Stanley used it to become one of the three leaders of the third world, along with Nyerere and Kaunda, who were both fully black, incidentally. But he wanted to be up there,

and he was. He was assisted by the Manchester Guardian and the British Labour Party, which was in power at the time. And he completely destroyed Jamaica's economy and Jamaica's reputation, invited in Fidel Castro. And we have now two women of colour, one virtually white, the other obviously black, who are using color in what I regard as a Jamaican as a totally unacceptable way. You know, Columbia, like Jamaica, is a racially mixed society.

It has a far smaller percentage of black people than Jamaica does. Jamaica has overwhelmingly now that they chased out most of the white people. They have an overwhelmingly black because it's rather too large a percentage of the population. But, and I am not saying that in developing countries that there are not underclasses that need to be promoted and that need their interests assisted. I'm not saying that because they absolutely do. But for somebody like Francia Marquez to be using colour the way she's using it and inviting a race beta like Meghan

to be assisting her in not only using colour, but also using censorship. You know it's absolutely irresponsible and it's going to do no good for Colombia and ultimately it's going to do no good for Francia Marquez because she thinks she is embarking upon a distraction technique which will assist her politically it's not going to it's not going to the Colombian people of all colors are sufficiently disaffected with the with the government to know that she is a race baiter of the highest order and saying she had 12 000 comments for the year as if that's some big deal i get 12 000 comments a week totally totally couldn't agree more and and look the pictures can i touch you and make a point before yes please please what she what she has completely ignored Yes, please're right. It's ridiculous because this is all

propaganda. All of the pictures of Harry and Meghan, by the way, Harry looking very thinning on top, ladies see, but all of the pictures meeting the vice president today have been released by Archwell. So this is all controlled. But then you have the Daily Mail why do they keep on doing Harry and Meghan's propaganda for them ladies he describing this tour as royal in all but name it's truck month at GMC tackle the open road with added confidence in a 2025 Sierra 1500 pro graphite at 0% financing for up to 72 months with an available 5.3 liter v8 engine 20 inch high gloss black painted aluminum wheels off-road Well, you know, Dan, I don't know if you have received the prompts

that Harry and Meghan's people have been putting out. And Bianca Betancourt is writing the script. And I have received the prompt for today with regards to the meeting i've got it on my

phone actually but i can't i it will take too long for me to to get it for you but word for word the mail has quoted without changing anything this is shocking shocking journalism, you know, and doubtless People magazine will be doing the same. This woman is with Harper's Bazaar, so they'll be doing the same. And it's actually a distasteful exercise, very akin to this sort of propaganda that Goebbels used to do on behalf of another rather distasteful set of people. Well, do you know what? Thank goodness, Lady C, that we have your channel on YouTube and outspoken because we

will be actually covering this tour with the honesty, which you're clearly not going to get from the mainstream media. And all that I can assume is that the Daily Mail remains terrified because of the lawfare being waged by the Sussexes against them. But it's really pathetic, actually, to just repeat the propaganda. Now, there's another aspect of this tour, ladies, that I want to talk to you about, which is the security thing. So Prince Harry claims he will not return to his own uncle's funeral, the funeral of Robert Fellows, the husband of Diana's sister, because of security concerns and this ongoing war that

he's having with King Charles over the government refusing to pay for his security. But then he's happy to pitch up in Colombia, one of the most dangerous countries in the world. What do you make of that? Irony upon irony. It's farcical. It's ludicrous. It's insulting to anybody with a brain or two eyes and two ears. It's just an insult to our intelligence that they could actually think that a rationale of that description would be swallowed by anybody except members of the Sussex squad. Now, I have been hearing very interesting things from people I know about the way the Sussex team have been briefing the press in America against the King. I mean, they have been in the last, well, I don't want to say exactly how long because I don't want to indicate who I'm getting information from. But quite recently they have been, they've

gone hell for leather briefing against the King in the most appalling manner, with really nothing but lies. And, you know, this nonsense that it's safer in Colombia than it is in Britain. Well, I should imagine it's Colombia is very safe as long as Harry and Meghan are there without their kids. But for them to bring the kids to England, maybe it wouldn't be safe. But the attacks have nothing that the attacks that they fare would have absolutely nothing to do with anything external. It would be to do with the truth alighting upon their shoulders. Let me put it like that.

So I think there's a very good reason for keeping the children away from this country, because I think too close an examination might have the deck of cards come tumbling down. So there's that element to it as well. And if they have nothing to fear, they can bring the children. Because, I mean, you and I both know, Dan, that as soon as they are in the royal orbit, they are covered by the Royal protection,

which is already superb. So Harry demanding protection always is totally unnecessary. And there's another reason why he is demanding it. He and Meghan are hoping to have their IPP status restored. That would mean that they wouldn't have to ever pay for their security again. When they were in America, the Americans would pay. When they were in Argentina, the Argentines would pay.

So when they were here, the British would pay. That's the aim. The aim is basically financial. It's also status orientated. Harry and Meghan want to be able to step off a plane, come here, go through the airport into a set of vehicles with all traffic lights neutralised and outriders stopping traffic so that they whizz through. And they also want, and this is something that people do not understand or realize, especially people in the press, they also want to be able to have that level of security and that level of ratification of their importance imposed upon the world. And then they will be able to come and go as they please without reference to anybody. So they could decide, oh, tomorrow, day after tomorrow, I'm going to be in Leicester and I'm going to open something.

And the royal family would have no way of knowing what they were up to. That's a very important part of what all of this is about. So they would, at the moment, because of the way things are done, they have to give notice to get security. And they do get the security when they give the correct notice. But by giving the correct notice, they are also informing the authorities as to what their movements are. It limits their capacity for creating mischief. Yes, and we know that's what they love to do. What do you make of folk, ADC, who are saying that they're going to Colombia almost to try and create some sort of security scare so that they

can then say, see, we're really targets. This is why the UK government has to give us security. Well, I think that's a fallacious argument, because the fact of the matter is, any incident that takes place in Colombia takes place in Colombia and not in the United Kingdom. So there are no parallels whatsoever. And I think if something happened, people would say, well, it happened in Colombia. They're the ones who went. They knew what the risks were.

They went. It's got nothing to do with us. And why should we pay for them? Because also, even if they were on a royal visit as working members of the royal family, there would be liaison between Colombia and the United Kingdom. When the royals travel, they do not have their security people taking over from the host nation's security people. They may function in tandem in part, but the security of the visitor is to a large extent the responsibility of the host nation. So when people come up with all of that nonsense, it's cock and bull, Dan. It's cock and bull. Well, yes, indeed.

Because the Colombian government is paying for the security for this tour. So the poor Colombian taxpayers who are struggling quite a lot at the moment that are having to pay for this publicity drive for Harry and Meghan and the vice president. But ladies, can I just ask you emotionally about Robert Fellow's funeral? I mean, wouldn't Diana be so let down? This is his uncle. And he talks all the time about the importance of family. And he talks about how he remains so close to the Spencers, even as his own relationship with the royal family has deteriorated. Is there any justification emotionally for him not attending this funeral? Or is it just because he can't handle the thought that he'd have to be in the same place as Prince William and it would be awkward?

Well, my understanding is actually, sorry Dan, my understanding is that Prince William doesn't want to be around him. And Prince William may be absolutely clear that he doesn't want to be around him. So even if Harry wanted to be there, it would be awkward because William definitely does not want to be around him. I mean, I know some of what's going on behind the scenes and the briefings that are being done against Charles and, of course, by extension, William as well, by Harry and Meghan's people in the United States. And it doesn't make for pretty listening. And I have no doubt if I know about it that William knows about it as well so there's also that going on behind the scenes but you know Harry and Meghan he's just an uncle-in-law and even I mean Meghan didn't go to her blood uncle's funerals she didn't go to her mother's

brother's funeral she didn't go to her father's brother's funeral. She didn't go to her father's brother's funeral. I mean, they're just uncles, you know, they're people to use. And after you've used them, you discard them. I mean, you know, important people like Meghan and Harry don't need to keep a connection, especially with corpses. I mean, come on, you know, they've long since passed their cell 90. They're dead. They're of no importance whatsoever. Oh, very good. Very good, Lady C.

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