Dan Wootton Outspoken - ELECTION WAR BETWEEN RUPERT LOWE NIGEL FARAGE & ANDY BURNHAM ERUPTS OVER STITCH UP & MSM FAKERY

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: It’s the biggest by-election war in history – and it will, without any doubt, determine the Disunited Kingdom’s next Prime Minister. Today, Rupert Lowe and Nigel Farage are ...both vowing to destroy Andy Burnham, who Labour has officially selected in Makerfield after an anti-democratic stitch up. But Restore Britain and Reform UK have gone with local heroes. The MSM are in the tank for Andy Burnham, even faking his daily run for the cameras, when he actually drove home after the shots were captured. But remember there’s something very evil about this man who wants to overturn the biggest democratic vote in British history and is now lying about it. Analysis after the Digest from a brilliant Superstar Panel: Legendary broadcaster Colin Brazier – now part of the independent media revolution as host of The Brazier Show, every Friday on Outpost – women’s rights activist Kellie Jay Keen, a speaker at the weekend’s Unite the Kingdom rally, and Restore Britain star Richard Donaldson, who is host of the Richard Donaldson Show. Also today: Piers Morgan launches a disgusting hit piece on Tommy Robinson’s Unite the Kingdom, but is completely exposed by Outspoken contributors Don Keith and Based and Bougie, who even sparks that awful Ava Santina to storm off set… Based and Bougie will be here to exclusively hit back at Piers Morgan later on. PLUS: Woke ITV’s Good Morning Britain host Adil Ray and LBC shill Shelagh Fogarty launch sickening attacks on Tommy Robinson’s Unite the Kingdom based on lies. We’ll expose them. AND: Nigel Farage lashes out again over Rupert Lowe, as the pressure on Reform UK grows. We’ll debate why the party keeps dropping in the national polls. THEN IN THE ROYAL UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle leaks previously unseen pictures of her kissing Prince Harry on Mark Zuckerberg's social media app, just as she’s criticised for dining with a Finnish politician accused of sexual harassment. The latest with our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. To watch in full, please subscribe at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outsloken episode number 495. And breaking right now, it is the biggest by-election war in history. And it will, without any doubt, determine the disunited kingdom's next prime minister. Today, Rupert Lowe and Nigel Farage, both vowing to destroy Andy Burnham, who Labor has officially selected in Makerfield after an anti-democratic stitch up. The locals were not even asked, whereas Restore Britain and Reform UK have picked local heroes. I was born in Maykfield. If I was elected, I'd be the first person born in the constituency to become the MP. I don't think any MP that's ever studied in Mayakerfield was actually born in the area. I'm a plumber, a gas engineer. We just want to be recognised. We want us as British
Starting point is 00:00:53 people to be put first. 100%. Very Restore Britain. Now, it's interesting the dirty tricks. Have a begun. They are going for that new Reform UK potential star. I'll tell you why in just a moment. Meanwhile, the MSM in the tank for Andy Burnham, even faking his daily runs for the cameras, when he actually drove home after these sly news shots were captured. For Maker Field constituency, should the NEC approve it, there he is. Remember, there's something very evil about this man who they love. He wants to overturn the biggest democratic vote in British history. He wants a civil war, and he's now lying about it. Long term, I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say it. I want to rejoin it. I hope in my lifetime,
Starting point is 00:01:42 I see this country rejoin the European Union. I'm absolutely clear. I'm not proposing that the UK considers rejoining the EU. I respect the decision that was made at the referendum, and it's going to undermine everything said. I've said about strengthening democracy if we don't respect that vote. after the digest analysis from a brilliant superstar panel today. Look at this. Legendary broadcaster Colin Brazier, now part of the Independent Media Revolution
Starting point is 00:02:12 as host of the Brazier show every Friday on Outpost. Women's Rights activist Kelly J. Keene. She was a speaker at the weekends Unite the Kingdom Rally. Oh my goodness, Kelly, you did so well. I was watching. Absolutely love it. Making his debut, New Restore Britain star, Richard Donaldson. He's the host of the Richard Donaldson show and one of our favourites, Peter C. Barnes,
Starting point is 00:02:36 who is behind the brilliant politics unlocked on YouTube and substack. Also today, Piers Morgan launches a disgusting hit piece on that Tommy Robinson UTK rally, but is completely exposed by outspoken contributors Don Keith and Baste and Buzi, who even sparked that awful, awful Ava Santina to storm off set. Your problem is you have a vendetta against Tommy Robinson because the last time he was on his show, he gave you a shalacking and you've never forgiven him for him. No, he didn't. Yes, he did.
Starting point is 00:03:11 If someone, God forbid, raped your daughter and then came back to you and said to you, actually, let's talk about ethnicity and religion and statistics and not the fact that your child has been raped. How would you feel as a woman have some compassion? No, I'm not going to have you dominate the narrative here. If someone's telling you that young women are being assaulted and your first, yes, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:03:33 And demonic. It's so demonic. What are you talking about? It's demonic to sit there and make... No, she left by herself. You made up a statue. You called the demonic. She does not like the fact that I just drew her out for being actually quite disgusting.
Starting point is 00:03:48 If someone told you that young girls... She was disgusting. You were the one being disgusting. Oh my God. And that was just the beginning. The great news is that based and bougie will be here. Later on in this show exclusively, She is going to hit back at Pearce Morgan Shears.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Not happy with her treatment, so don't go anywhere. Also coming up on the show today, Wai-T-Vee's Good Morning. Britain host Adul Ray and LBC, Shill Shil Shella Fogarty launched sickening attacks on UTK based on lies, so we're going to expose them. And Nigel Farage lashes out again over Rupert Low as the pressure on Reform UK grows. We'll debate why the party keeps dropping in the national polls. Then in the Royal Uncanceled After Show, which we do over on Substack. has leaked previously unseen pictures of her kissing Prince Harry on Mark Zuckerberg's social media
Starting point is 00:04:36 app just as she's criticised for dining with a Finnish politician accused of sexual harassment. We will have the latest on that with our Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin. We're also choosing a new Worst Britain in the world today. The superstar panel have been nominating. You can vote right now on the live chat. Here are your choices. Colin Brazier has gone for Andy Burnham for flip-flopping when it comes to Brexit. Last year he said he was in favour of rejoining now because he wants to be PM.
Starting point is 00:05:03 He's backtracked. Nobody believes him. Kelly J Keene has gone for Pearce Morgan for talking about me repeatedly. And Peter C. Barnes has gone for Dan Hodges for proclaiming Restore won't stand a candidate and telling people to pin the tweet. We'll get Richard, by the way, to choose today's greatest Britain at the end of the show. We'll announce your winners them too. So keep your comments coming through. Keep your superchats coming through.
Starting point is 00:05:28 and keep your votes coming through. All will be revealed at the end of the show today. But now, let's go. Something is happening in British politics that the mainstream media and Westminster elite just don't want you to see. It is the rise of the grassroots movement of Restore Britain and Rupert Lowe,
Starting point is 00:05:49 with the insurgent party now claiming it's them that has the best chance of stopping an Andy Burnham and premiership rather than the increasingly left wing and Civil War River, Nigel Farron. garage and Reform UK. Of course, the MSM totally in the tank with Andy Burnham, now even working with the Greater Manchester Mayor to try and set them up as some sort of hunky hero during these daily running trips. But actually, I'm going to reveal the truth about that set up imminently.
Starting point is 00:06:19 What is clear is that the elite class is panicking, panicking about this by-election, because there is no guarantee that their hero Burnham is going to win. Indeed, Rupert, Low, posted earlier. Tuesday morning turnout in Makerfield. Restore Britain teams are going to be out all day, every day until the election. The odds are tumbling on a Restore Britain win. Now as low as 9 to 2. History in the making, we can win this. Now the highly skeptical Dan Hodges, he is the Labor columnist at the mail, who is in the pro-burnum camp, had a very public panic posting, on the Great Restore debate, I'm told the pollsters will begin prompting them in Makerfield. This may well. artificially inflate their perceived support in the constituency and boost their profile. But I suspect it will not be reflected in actual votes on polling day, to which Rupert responded, You should see our canvassing returns. Remember, this is the same Dan Hodges who promised that Restore would never run in the seat in the first place.
Starting point is 00:07:20 So Rupert further clarified his position, given there is so much debate on this on the right, by explaining, there seems to be some confusion about what I said when I launched Restore Britain as a political party. I said we're going to offer the British people a genuine alternative, finally providing men and women from outside the political establishment, a democratic route out. I said it and I meant it. Not a failed Tories wearing a turquoise rosette, but bringing in new and fresh faces who have no experience of driving our country into the dust.
Starting point is 00:07:51 We did it in Great Yarmouth in 10 seats putting those candidates. We won all 10. We decimated the composition. Now we are taking it national. Make a field. They laughed when I said we'd win great Yarmouth. We beat them all. I'm now saying the same about Makerfield. We are in this to win it. And look, on stage at the weekend, it was made clear to Tommy Robinson that the UTK crowd, I mean, that is a crowd of Patriots, right, who you might
Starting point is 00:08:18 previously have thought would support Reform UK, that they were actually behind Restore Britain. I want to show you what happened. I'm not going to tell you which political party you need to join. We're a cultural movement. I'm going to tell you that you have to join a political party. I don't care if it's reform, if it's advance or it's restore or it's a conservative party. We have to locally get involved in politics. All right, who do you want to be?
Starting point is 00:08:49 I know what you're going to say. I think I can hear restore. We cannot. We cannot go home from this event and go back to. So there is now also panic from inside the right-wing pro-reform media establishment. Now, you know, that's GB News, that's Talk TV, led by shills like Mark Dolan. Watch this exchange. Well, from Dan on this by-election.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Morning, Mark. Forget about the Tories. We need restore Britain to stand down their candidate for Makerfield. Because just like in a general election, they definitely can't win it, restore, but they can certainly prevent reform from winning it, which is madness because we all know they agree on pretty much everything. And Rupert Lowe is just doing it because he hates Nigel now and he needs to stop. Interesting voice note from Dan. Thank you for that. Isabel, do you think it would be helpful if the parties on the right restore and perhaps the Conservatives did not run a candidate
Starting point is 00:09:56 to give reform a clean run at this seat? Well, I know that there are significant figures inside the Conservative Party who are inclined to that way, you know, that they don't privately, and I think Jacob Rees-Mogg has actually said it publicly. Yeah. That they don't think that the Conservatives should stand a candidate. Now, there's no way the Tory Party leadership is going to go with that. But what they could do, there will be a Tory Party candidate on the ballot paper. But what they can do is just basically not really do any campaigning.
Starting point is 00:10:29 You know, it could be just a paper candidate. These paper candidates often pick up more votes than other parties would like. but nonetheless they could Tories could be helpful here if they wanted. Unfortunately there's no prospect whatsoever of Rupert Lowe taking that attitude. Your caller was
Starting point is 00:10:48 absolutely right. This is all a principle for him. It's all about trying to undermine Nigel Farage's operation. And I think that is very regrettable because he and his party can't win across
Starting point is 00:11:04 the country, won't win and they are just taking votes from reform. But nonetheless, I defend his democratic right to do that. It does take guts for anyone to start new political parties. He's picked up a bit of traction. There will never, by the way, be any alliance between reform and restore. There is a lot of bad blood there. And, you know, Rupert Lowe is undermining everything that Nigel and Richard are trying to achieve.
Starting point is 00:11:33 And look, you've got to admit, You've got to admit that these channels are in the tank for one political party. I'm going to now use the example of GB News. And it was all a mini hang who pointed this out, actually. She said, in reference to GB News presenters, Ben, Marston and Patrick all posted about reforms candidate's selection for Maker Field, but nothing about restore. The bias is really quite blatant and shocking. Come on, boys, aren't you supposed to be the people's channel? And she's right. Look, look at this. Patrick Christie's reform announced their candidate for
Starting point is 00:12:10 Makerfield. Here's the campaign video. Martin Daubney, lots of people saying it's a smart move to go for the local lad, not another parachuted and outsider of Robert Kenyon, a plumber blocks Burnham, his place in British political history will be secured. And Ben Leo reforms plumber candidate for Makerfield coming to drain the swamp. That post was retweeted. What do you call it now? Reposted by Reform UK, the party itself. But they've ignored this way. woman, who I think usually would be someone that GV News would love. Restore's candidate is a local businesswoman, straight talking, called Rebecca Shepard. I would say a common sense party with a trustworthy leader who cares about his people, his constituents, doesn't try and lie about anything
Starting point is 00:13:00 and just really wants the best for the people. And that's, that's it, isn't it? That's all we want. We just want to be recognized. We want us as British people to be put first. 100%. By Restore Britain? Restore Britain. What on? Now look, I think she seems great. But I actually am fair and balanced. I'm not a shill for any party. I'm not a member of any party. I'm completely independent. And I think Reform UK's candidate is a goddamn strong choice too. They have gone for a local plumber, born in the constituency. This is how they announced it. Makerfield was Andy Burnham's backup.
Starting point is 00:13:35 For Robert Kenyon, it's his home. This battle will be David versus Goliath. And in true reform style, they had a Hollywood trailer ready to go, and needless to say, it is very impressive, watch. I was born in Makerfield. If I was elected, I'd be the first person born in the constituency to become the MP. I don't think any MP that's ever studied in Makerfield was actually born in the area. I'm a plumber, a gas engineer.
Starting point is 00:14:02 I've done that for a long time. I did my apprenticeship when I was 18. I love being a plumber. I do enjoy it. It's hard, but I do enjoy it because I do take pride in the work. I don't know it gets me a bit emotional. Some Sarah's thinking that there's a chance
Starting point is 00:14:14 that I could be representing people in Parliament because it's a massive honour and people a bit of counting in me. He serviced my borough last week. Labor and probably the majority of the other parties, I've got career politicians. You know, they go to private school to university. We get a job at a think tank or they're an assistant to an MP.
Starting point is 00:14:33 And then before you know it, the harrowe's interesting to a university. somewhere they've never even visited to stand as an MP. They might know the system. They might know how politics works. They might know Westminster. But they don't know the area of people. You could read a book about something,
Starting point is 00:14:48 but you'll never understand it and see you actually do it. For Andy Bowen, Makerfield will be a stepping stone. But for me, it's the only place I've ever wanted to represent. People in this area, this constituency, have been taking advances you're far too long, it's time to take a stand. the Makerfield constituency
Starting point is 00:15:06 deserves a local champion. You have got a voice, make that voice heard on June 18, and it's Makerfield by election, and go out and vote for a refund you said. Okay, so they both look great, right? They both look great. I can't pick between them at this point.
Starting point is 00:15:24 But the dirty tricks have already begun. Interestingly, the first grenade was thrown by CCHQ. That's the Conservative Party, by the way, their press department, which posted just an hour after the announcement, care to explain what Robert had his Twitter account suspended for? Dan Hodges then added, told there may be some other issues surrounding Robert Kenyon that might raise serious questions about reforms vetting processes.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Now, some of these concerns seem to link back to an article by Searchlight magazine in June 2024, which was headlined the reform candidate friends with new British Union leader. They posted a question to Farage and Tice saying, hey, Nigel Farage and Richard Tice, you might want to ask you'll make a field reform candidate Robert Kenyon, why he includes Gary Rakes amongst his Facebook friends. We only ask because Rakes, an ex-member of both B&P and Britain First, is now leader of the New British Union, the latter day incarnation of Oswald Moise's British Union and fascists, just asking. Hodges then added, understand Robert Kenyon has attempted to delete his entire recent social media history. But I mean, some of this is just so pathetic.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Like, Reform Party UK exposed thinks they have found the sort of smoking gun because Kenyon previously retweeted Lotus E to star Carl Benjamin. Well, I think that makes him far more sound, actually. That would make me more likely to vote for this guy. Narendy Kaur is also in on the effort too, posting to all those defending reform candidate Robert Kenyon and saying its tweets from 10 to 20 years ago, perhaps you would have had a point. But in fact, vile social media posts and alleged campaigns are
Starting point is 00:17:07 recently. And this is about the fact that he supported a guy called Dylan Carey, who was sentenced for his actions during the Southport riots. Well, given Lucy Connolly was a star guest, quite rightly, at a Reform UK conference, I don't think that's going to be particularly worrying the party's top brass. I guess what's fair to say as we come on here today remains unclear why Kenyan's account was suspended, but the rabid left clearly trying to clutch at any desperate straw possible. I would say the biggest test is where the reform UK can actually stand up to this cancel culture nonsense. I think if they do, it will make the party more popular. Then you come to Labor where today there has been a total stitch up. The party's national ruling committee only shortlisted Andy Burnham.
Starting point is 00:17:52 So locals didn't even have a choice. Didn't even have a choice. It's about who they wanted to represent their constituency. So much for lefty. Demi. right, when there's a Prime Minister to oust. So Reforms attack ad graphics are going to attempt to paint Burnham as a career opportunist putting personal ambitions above the people of Makerfield. They've even got a seat generator, making the point that Burnham is using the seat simply to return to Parliament and take Kirstarmer's job. As Robert Generic put it, he'll stand anywhere, he'll say anything, and he's in it for himself, not Make a Field. Farad's campaign has already been slightly undermined, though, by the party's whole mayor, Luke Campbell, seemingly endorsing Burnham for Prime Minister.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Are you optimistic that if Andy Burnham became Prime Minister? He would use his influence to champion the north of England in the way he does as Mayor? I think he would. Look, I've met Andy several times. I hadn't had a deep conversation with him about his politics, but it seems like a really nice guy to me. What kind of Prime Minister do you think he would make? I don't know. No idea. I guess we'd have to wait and see. And look, I think that does sum up the problem with Reform UK for me. I have no doubt, Luke is a very nice guy, but he's lefty really, isn't he? He's not a true believer.
Starting point is 00:19:08 He doesn't understand how damaging Burnham will be to this country. I do. After all, this is a guy who is already U-Turning on what he really wants to do, what his goal really is. Overturning, the biggest democratic vote in British history and causing a civil war while he's at it. Watch. or stay out?
Starting point is 00:19:29 Long term, I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say it. I want to rejoin. I hope in my lifetime I see this country rejoin the European Union. I'm absolutely clear about that. Now let's compare that moment with what he's saying now. Long term, I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say it. I want to rejoin. I hope in my lifetime I see this country rejoin the European Union.
Starting point is 00:19:54 I'm absolutely clear. I'm not proposing that the UK considers rejoining the EU. I respect the decision that was made at the referendum, and it's going to undermine everything I've said about strengthening democracy if we don't respect that vote. And what the London elites completely underestimate is how absolutely goddamn furious we remain with this constant labour plot to undermine Brexit. So Hodges claimed, look, we've got a buy election coming up and we'll all know the results soon, but trust me, if reform wander around Makeafield saying vote for us to save Brexit while Burnham is saying, vote for me to show Stama the door.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Burnham walks it. But Reforms Nadine Dories replied, this isn't a referendum on Stama. Stama has gone already and is now squatting in number 10 until he's forced out. It's so undignified. If reform win, Labour are totally finished. If Labor win, we go backwards, divide the country and rejoin the EU. Ashton Ward added, you have already made the Maker Field by election a vote on rejoining the EU. 65% of Makerfield voted to leave. He is a Ramona. He's not just a Romana. He is one of these loser Ramonas who will never move on. What Burnham wants his pitch to be, though, he doesn't want it to be about Brexit for political reasons. He wants it all to be about changing labour. If I get to stand, a vote for me will be a vote to change labour.
Starting point is 00:21:23 because labour needs to change if we're to regain people's trust. And the MSF is totally in the tank film trying to portray the Manchester Mayor, who remember has already failed twice to become Labour leader as some type of hunky hero. Here's sly news leading the charge. This is, I suppose you say he is one of the men of the moment, Andy Burnham. Current greater Manchester mayor may well be candidate for Makerfield, constituency, should the NEC approve it. There he is.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Oh, there he is. Surprise, surprise. There was nothing genuine about that little stunt with the Daily Mail revealing, after being photographed in the running for the Labour leadership on Friday, fitness fan Andy Burnham insisted to sceptics that he had not arranged for his daily job to be filmed by the media. But the Daily Mail can reveal that onlookers, were somewhat baffled. When after departing his large gated Victoria-style home in Merseyside at 12, 18pm, Mr. Burnham returned. 45 minutes later, not out of puff on foot,
Starting point is 00:22:35 but instead, behind the wheel of his VW golf, as the photos landed on news desk and headlines flashed alongside them that Mr. Burton was on the right track, hitting the ground running and out of the blocks in the race for Prime Minister, he was actually collecting his car from an unknown location near, by and by 105pm was back home. Now, called out by critics online, the mayor of Greater Manchester insisted his short jog was not a publicity stunt, but one onlooker who was there on Friday remained skeptical. It was definitely staged, they said. How would the television cameras know to be on the
Starting point is 00:23:10 exact spot on his route if it wasn't a setup? Now, interestingly, the Daily Telegraph points out today that Burnham's jogging is actually part of a carefully orchestrated political PR campaign. Although Chris Strange pointed out, it's probably not working. Writing, if you're doing a run every morning, then that gut of yours shows you've been eating lots of pies and drinking light a sailor on shore leave the rest of the time. Don't bullshit us. We're not as stupid as you think we are. And Burnham wasn't happy when a duo of GB News and reform supporters started pointing out this
Starting point is 00:23:45 scam. So Alex Armstrong was first. He wrote, have you ever gone for a run? Had the national press show up totally out of the blue, then picked up your car up somewhere on the route and drove home. Definitely not all planned. And Chris Rose added, this is hilarious. The Daily Mail has revealed that Andy Burnham was jogging at 1218pm.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Then he returned home 45 minutes in his VW golf. His jog was just a photo op. Why pretend to jog? It just makes him look fake and untrustworthy, something the public hate about politics. Well, Andy Burnham, he actually bit. He replied to both Chris and Alex. The messages were virtually identical.
Starting point is 00:24:17 but this is what he said to Chris. As it happens, Chris, it's part of my regular routine. Ask my neighbours, I often leave my car at Newton and do my morning run to pick it up. I did it again today because I had a pint at the match. I've got two words for that. Sure jam. What's most remarkable, though, is that parts of the MSM are even today still backing slippery stammer. Look at this. True propaganda from the Daily Mirror. I will not walk away. That's after new UGELF polling revealed that if Burnham fails to win the by-election, then two-tier care somehow remains, and I'm sorry, I've really got to check the mental health of Labor Party members, actually, remains the most popular choice. Thrashing the wannabees, Red Rainer, the Tax Evader, Wes, Streeting, Mad, Miliband,
Starting point is 00:25:00 Evick, Cooper Shabana, MacMood, and Al-Karmes. And even Robert Peston is foreseen a civil war prompted by Starmer's refusal to leave the stage. I mean, he's basically squatting at number 10 Downing Street at the moment, right, which backs up what a senior political source previously told me, he will have to be airlifted out of there for his own safety by the end of his reign. But this is what Wokai TV's political editor wrote on X. Stama says that if someone say Burnham were to get the requisite 81 nominations and were to trigger a leadership contest, he would join the fray and fight. If he is to be taken at his word, this isn't just any old hardball, but is death-matched stuff with the survival of the Labour Party in the frame. All the important
Starting point is 00:25:44 trade union leaders want Stama to quit as to a significant number of Labour MPs. I'm not going to say most because reliable data is not available, though the party is conspicuously split. Stama is saying bring it on if you've had enough and we have to assume that the Evertonian Burnham believes he is. What is highly probable is that if Burnham wins and Stama says he ain't budging, we may witness the kind of mayhem that could destroy labour. I am not exaggerating their party is so ideologically riven and so weakened by factionalism that an emotional leadership contest that barks like civil war may put paid to any rolling back of the stone and any escape from the grave. Robert Peston, I'm going to tell you something for free. Seriously, you don't need to worry about that.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Labor's done. They're never coming back. It's over for good. Now, the superstar panel. And what a line up with me today. Restore Britain's Richard Donaldson. He is making his outspoken debut, Women's Rights campaigner Kelly J. Keene, the brilliant Peter C. Barnes of Politics Unspun. And Colin Brazier, now hosting the Brazier show Fridays on Outpost. So, Colin, very interesting choice.
Starting point is 00:27:08 Very interesting choice by Reform UK. interesting to see immediately that even the conservatives are trying to say, oh, this dude's dodgy, right? He's got dodgy social media posts. You know reform very well. Surely they wouldn't have made this choice if they weren't aware of that. And there's no going back now is there. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:27:31 I don't think they're going back on it. I think they will have done their vetting. I've been doing down some media training with reform, would-be reform counsellors in research. of months. I've been consistently struck by the quality and the calibre of the candidates and the people who are coming forward. These are people who feel the country is increasingly ungovernable. They have a hinterland like this candidate in the real world, not like, what is it, 74 Labour MPs that work for charities, learning how to spend other people's money. He seems like
Starting point is 00:28:01 the real deal. I'd be astonished if they've not done all the vetting that they needed to do on his character and background. Colin, I did think of you when I was watching, that Luke Campbell interview where he seemed to sort of like semi-endorse Andy Burnham. Is that what we just have to come to expect from Reform UK though? Like they're not these highly polished media trained professionals and actually maybe it's good that he gave a genuine answer. He doesn't have a hatred for Andy Burnham. He quite likes Andy Burnham.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Like maybe that was the right thing. What did you make of it? I enjoyed it, Dan. I enjoyed the openness. I enjoyed the candour, the frankness, the truthfulness. of it. We need more of that. We need people who don't try and speak out of three sides of their mouth. He was asked an honest question,
Starting point is 00:28:46 a straight question. He gave a straight answer. Amen to that. Let's have more of it, please. So you wouldn't have failed him in your media training tears? Okay, interesting. No, I wouldn't. And just a couple other things quickly. I thought the quality and the slittness of that reform ad with the drones and the camera moving around the candidate was all absolutely
Starting point is 00:29:03 brilliant. I'm still slightly reeling from the sight of Andy Burnham's insufficiently baggy shorts. Oh my God, I'm sorry about that. So am I. No, it's okay. You're right, by the way. I think, Dan, you've headed off exactly where you should do on this story today. This is reform in Jeopardy. Burnham is somebody who, you know, in those two clips says all that you need to hear about the peril that Brexit is now in.
Starting point is 00:29:31 It's 10 years next month since that historic vote. This is, there are people within the Labour Party who sold political purposes. it seems to me now, is to unwind what they consider to have been this incredible travesty. I consider it to have been the moment that I was proudest to be in Britain. My late wife campaigned for Brexit. She was an old-fashioned lefty, which was a student. She was a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party. She thought there was a real left-wing reason for Brexit,
Starting point is 00:29:58 the sort of Tony Benn idea that the irreducible unit of governance is the nation-state. She was right, Brexiteers were right, Burnham is wrong. If he gets into Downing Street, there's a real danger. He unwinds Brexit. I'm not normally in favour of tactical voting, but I think in this particular, make a feel by election, I wish Restore would stand down. I wish the Tories would stand down and give reform a clear.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Okay, so this is the key question. This is the key question. So we've got Richard Donaldson, who is from Restore Britain. Richard, what do you say to that? I mean, you might let this guy Andy Burnham through. and at that point he could do terrible things to the country
Starting point is 00:30:42 and won't people blame Restore Yeah well the thing is I mean we we saw the same thing in Great Yarmouth didn't we Restore stood under Great Yarmouth first And people said the same thing then Restore need to stand down You know let Reform take the win
Starting point is 00:30:57 and then Restore took all 10 of the seats I don't think any party is entitled to anyone's vote And I think particularly what we're seeing now is with Restore is an incredibly competent and clever leader with Rupert Lowe, who is picking his battles quite carefully. And let's not forget that only a couple of weeks ago, you know, Restore were slated for putting up candidates in Great Yarmouth. And like I say, they won every single seat.
Starting point is 00:31:22 So I think, of course, everybody, I think Rupert and the team, they know what they're doing. I'm a Restore. I'm a branch organiser, so I don't speak for the party. I speak for myself. but people are crying out for political change for the system to not just be reformed, see what I did there, but to be completely rebuilt from the ground up.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Andy Burnham, of course, is standing for Labour, but he was one of the first to wade in and try and shut down the calls for a rape gang inquiry. Do we really want someone like that winning elections? I know that reform, you know, is it Robert Kenyon, the plumber? The new candidate, yes. He's brilliant.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I'm not going to sit here as part, you know, as a branch organiser and say that I think, you know, or I think he's a, terrible candidate because I don't. I think that Restore have a very good chance of winning this election in Makerfield and the odds at the bookies, they now seem to think that they will do very well too. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because Dan Hodges saying that's just delusional. Kelly J., where do you stand on this? As someone who doesn't back a party, but you understand
Starting point is 00:32:24 the threat that this country is under, do you believe in tactical voting and do you feel like Restore could be risking letting Burnham win here? Yes, I do. I mean, I'm not going to say that I think either reform or Restore will definitely win out of the
Starting point is 00:32:47 two of them. I think it could quite easily be neck and neck, which will then secure Andy Burnham. And what will label campaign on in the next election? Well, they'll campaign on Brexit. And they'll say they'll undo it. And I think there is a, I think it's been delivered so badly. I think we all
Starting point is 00:33:02 appreciate that it hasn't really been delivered at all. And people will think, well, I think I'd rather join the EU. And I think there'll be a significant number of those people. And therefore, we'll have another Labour government. And would I blame the two egos for not stepping back? 100%. Yes, I would. I mean, my vote right now, if I had to vote in that election, that plumber is getting it. But what if you saw polling, Kelly, which showed actually Restore has the better chance?
Starting point is 00:33:30 would you change your votes? You would vote strategically based on who you thought was going to have the best chance of winning? Yeah, I mean, look, it's been five minutes since anybody's announced anyone, but I think a local plumber in this current climate of lies, posturing, and just sound by sort of politics that we've been used to,
Starting point is 00:33:54 which is, oh, you've tripped up, oh, that's it, you're out. I think someone like a local plumber, I mean, you know, like Hannah Spencer, but someone like an actual plumber, I think would do really well. So yeah, of course, if it looked like Restore, we're going to take it, I think reform should step back,
Starting point is 00:34:12 but it can't be both. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, isn't it? Because I'm just looking Peter C. Barnes, and I read your brilliant article on politics, where you were highly critical of Reform UK's so-called vetting operas. You say it's basically not in place. So I presume you're not surprised by the fact there's already people going after this Robert Kenyon.
Starting point is 00:34:39 But actually, doesn't really matter. Like, I don't give a damn about any of the stuff that he's accused of. Like, actually, do you know what would make me happy here, Peter, Reform UK said, don't care, don't care, we're standing by our man. Yeah, it's an interesting one really because it's not just one incident. It's one after another, after another, after another, after another. It's the sloppiness of it. It's the lack of professionalism.
Starting point is 00:35:06 It's the fact that these things keep happening and that they don't learn the lesson. It's what we call valence politics. In other words, you've got to be capable. You've got to look like you know what you're doing. It's the sloppiness that will actually hit them much more than just being friends with somebody on Facebook. That's the real damage of the vetting problem. It's not what these people have said or anything like that. It's the rate to which they keep occurring.
Starting point is 00:35:27 When it comes to the issue of Brexit, by the way, it's not an issue at this by-election, no matter what people want to say, because even if Andy Burnham doesn't win, Kirstarmer, Angela Rainer, West Streeting, are all going to do the same thing, take us back into the European Union. Whoever wins from the Labour side or loses, that is an inevitability. What you also have to ask is if Nigel Farage reform own the Brexit vote in the 75th most Brexit constituency, why is it so close? there are huge structural failings
Starting point is 00:35:58 the reform have got to deal with here and this is why I keep saying what's actually on the ballot is the Nigel Farage inevitability myth in other words Nigel's never really been tested he's never really been put under pressure to actually win because this seat is by home constituency
Starting point is 00:36:14 so I know a little bit about it swung 50% at the local elections it is reform peak territory 97% white working class It has, you know, it is built for them. Red Wall, you know, all this kind of stuff, they're not actually walking this like they should be. That's a huge problem.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Because this is this kind of constituency is going to be one of many at the next general election. And if Andy Burnham wins there, like wins in Mike McAfield, he then gets to all the benefits of incumbency, he gets to be the prime minister, all this kind of stuff. He's going to be unstoppable. So, you know, they have a huge problem on their hands. And I don't think Reform have quite woken up to that fact yet.
Starting point is 00:36:57 They all seem to think that a lot of this is Rupert Lowe's fault. It isn't. Rupert Lowe and Restore need to do one thing. Pole, around about 5%. They do that. They prove Nigel Farage is not inevitable. That he has not consolidated the right, that he has not been able to actually hold the country.
Starting point is 00:37:15 May 2026 proved one thing and one thing alone. Reform found their ceiling. It wasn't a victory night for them. They spent nearly $8 million. The national equivalent vote share went down, not up. They are further away from a common's majority today than they were a year ago. That is not progress. This by-election is make or break for Reform UK, much more than it ever is for Restore,
Starting point is 00:37:41 because as we know, the expectation management is all over the place. It's really interesting, actually, because I'm just looking at a Manchester evening news interview. that Robert Kenyon gave in June 2024. So a long time ago, when he was the candidate previously for Reform UK. And I think he's perfect for reform, actually. He grew up in a Labour household, has a military background. He actually says that some of the Reform UK policies are actually lefty policies. And while I view that as negative thing, it actually sort of makes him perfect for that seat.
Starting point is 00:38:22 I think. So I think it's going to be very difficult for people to try and get him out based on some old posts. Breaking today, Fury as Good Morning Britain host on Woke ITV, Adel Ray, this hard leftist Islamist, has branded Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom March as the worst anti-Muslim hate of my lifetime. And he has called for action. Now, as we covered extensive, On Saturday, during our live broadcast of this event for eight hours, there was no violence. So I have no idea what this guy is talking about. But he posted on his Instagram account almost zero coverage of the worst anti-Muslim hate we have witnessed in the UK in our lifetime. This is deeply concerning and hugely damaging.
Starting point is 00:39:13 How the nation responds in these immediate days is vital. A lack of response is the worst possible response. This feels like the worst day to be a Muslim in the UK in our lifetime. To my Muslim brothers and sisters, stay vigilant and be strong. To all those who have pressed support on social media, thank you. It's all we have right now. Stay vigilant? I mean, last I saw in this country, it's been the Islamists attacking Jews of late.
Starting point is 00:39:43 But I want to come to my superstar panel on this because Kelly J. Keane was one of the star speakers at Unite the Kingdom on Saturday, Kelly. Firstly, I watched you from MacRuse. I thought you did an absolutely superb job. But how does it make you feel listening to this rhetoric from a mainstream television presenter on Wokai TV, which seems to bear absolutely no resemblance with actually what happened on the day? Like, he could have written that, Kelly, beforehand. Well, I want to thank him for many, many more views that my speech received. So him and Piers Morgan, I thank them both. But look, I think we're allowed to notice the things that we don't like
Starting point is 00:40:28 that come along with the cultural pseudo sort of political movement or rather maybe overt. And cult as Islam, I think if you're not worried about it. its influence in places like Westminster. You know, I think we would have banned cousin marriage by now. But if you're not concerned about little girls wearing hijab for the day at school who are not Muslim and all the other things that are happening, halal, like, I don't think you can go into a KFC without eating halal food and it's on school menus even when there are very few Muslim children in a school.
Starting point is 00:41:08 So I think people are just noticing. We're all waking up a little bit. You know, some of us have been a wait for quite some time. And others have just kind of had enough. And we recognise, especially with what's happening in Iran, we recognise the real and present danger with the sectarian politics that are bleeding in through the Green Party.
Starting point is 00:41:29 So, you know, it's about time that we spoke about it, quite frankly. Colin Bracey, how do you feel about this guy, Adol Ray? because for me, I look at ITV, right, and I think, Colin, how quickly they purged their channel of anyone even resembling or half resembling a right-wing view. Do you know what I mean? It changed very, very quickly. And obviously what happened to Piers Morgan was probably the highest profile example, but there are a whole load of others. And yet, seemingly, their station is now full of hard leftists. Right. So you've got Adel Ray who has said terribly racist and anti-white English things. You've got Nadia Sawala who has been accused of anti-Semitism still holding this major spot on loose women.
Starting point is 00:42:22 And you just think, how on earth does ITV think it can survive embracing these people who I think seem to hate the English Patriots who used to remember watch the channel? Like ITV, it's the working class channel. When I worked there for 10 years, it was the working class. class channel, the home of Coronation Street. And this stuff, Dan, it just feels like straight from the BLM playbook. I detest with a passion, this kind of idea that says if, you know, silence is violence. If you, what was it the phrase exactly used? Lack of response is the worst possible response.
Starting point is 00:42:55 I was arguing with somebody at dinner a couple of nights ago who was saying, yeah, we've got to have that Australian system wherever he's obliged to vote. I don't think so. Remember that lovely scene in that wonderful Peter Weir film with the late Robin Williams dead Poet Society where Robin Williams encourages his charges his pupils to march around the square. One of them says, I'm not doing it. And they got the message, which was we have a right not to get involved. I detest this idea that says silence is violence and somehow allyship denied is an act of complicity. This kind of hyperbole from somebody with this kind of vantage position in mainstream
Starting point is 00:43:30 media, when I read it, I couldn't quite believe it. It's shocking. Yeah, it is. And it just doesn't match Peter C. Barnes, what happened on the day. I mean, five pillars, you know, that the Islamist news organisation went undercover, right, desperately looking for dirt. They thought they were going to get so much. And it was basically like, oh, there's some people drinking beer. You know, there's dogs. They didn't like the dogs there, Peter, you know, because the Islamists hate the dogs, don't they? But, I mean, it was a really positive family-orientated event with virtually no violence whatsoever, certainly compared to something like Nossing Hill Carnival.
Starting point is 00:44:10 It was a literal walk in the park. Oh, yeah, they hated it because of that. I mean, Adil is under threat because, as Colin rightly points out, his pulpit is about to be removed from him. Their kind of cultural domination of the media is going to be ripped apart because the country has seen right through it. It is the Black Lives Matter playbook. It is we are victims.
Starting point is 00:44:32 We are permanently victims of the mere existence of white people. and all this kind of nonsense and drivel that we were forced to listen to. Well, unfortunately, for them, the public has this thing called a ballot. And they're going to vote with that, and they're going to make sure that that is heard. The ballot box is now a weapon,
Starting point is 00:44:47 and it's being wielded by the public who have had enough of this nonsense. I unfortunately couldn't make it down to the rally. I was literally at about four different things at the same time. I'm good, but I'm not that good. But unfortunately, I was really annoyed about it, but every story I've heard coming from there has been about people helping each other,
Starting point is 00:45:05 with there was old people, young people, all different types of people, and they must have hated it. I could just imagine the five pillars people wandering around, like, you know, with like newspapers, with their eyes cutouts, they could see they'll never catch us here, that kind of thing. It's just preposterous, but it's, it's the last dying breath of an institution that knows it's got no power left. And let's not forget, Adelray wants Sharia courts, so I don't really pay attention to him anyway. Yeah, I mean, it's speeding up fast. I've just seen today, you know, the BBC has hired a comedian, like a woke comedian called Josh Whittaker and a South African very, very camp dance
Starting point is 00:45:42 with zero TV experience to co-hosts Strictly Come Dancing alongside Emma Willis. And I just thought that that's writing the death warrant of that show. Like, they just don't get it. They just do not get it. Richard Donaldson, what did you make of Adel Race criticism of UTK? Oh, I mean, it was the most peaceful, loving, it was. I loved it. I loved UTK. I was there last year as well. I have never seen any form of racism whatsoever. I mean, in that he, in the clip that he did on TV and then in his post as well, you know,
Starting point is 00:46:15 firstly he bangs on about, you know, supposed rise in anti-Muslim hate crime. Now, in the past 12 months, there's been 27 mosques that have been attacked in the UK, which of course is very sad, you know, it shouldn't happen. However, in the same 12 months, 4,000 churches have also been attacked. On top of that, there have been 3,712, I think. you can Google this anti-Semitic attacks here in the UK with nearly 300 synagogues. Including terror attacks where people have died, by the way. Exactly. And here's the thing. When you dig into the data, which is all available online, we can all see a very worrying yet predictable pattern.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Because guess who's attacking all of these churches and these synagogues? You know, it's not the far right. It's Muslims here in the UK. And right now they're committing between four and six times more crime than anyone else per capita. Go and Google it people. 100%. But what is really disgusting me, though, is watching how the mainstream media, the elite class, are trying to belittle and gaslight great patriots
Starting point is 00:47:15 who try to defend for very good reason Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom Rally. And there was no better example of this. And I do have to apologize because you're going to have to put up with her. It's for very good reason. Sheila Foggety on LBC, who honestly, I think gave the most revoked. Vol team performance to try and shame, try and shame one of LBC's listeners. And God knows why this person is listening to LBC.
Starting point is 00:47:42 You've got to come over to outspoken the independent media. But try to shame them into condemning Tommy Robinson. Watch this. We'll analyse after. To call it a hate much, I've got to disagree. 43 arrests. Are we going to start calling the Not Neal Carnival? I hate Carnival because there was more arrests there and there was stabbing.
Starting point is 00:48:02 I'm not talking about the numbers of arrests. I'm not talking about the numbers of arrest. The police were never... I'm talking about... Tell me what you think of prepare for the Battle of Britain. What are we preparing for? Tell me what you think about the misogyny of get you out for the lads. Tell me what you think about end Islam.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Let me list it. End Islam. Rid the UK of Islam. Therefore, Muslims. F Islam. Christ is King. Take it off, take it off, take it off. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:48:26 That's a little family outing, is it? I'm not saying get Muslims out. I think what the people at this march was saying is we have British values and we need to also adopt them with other cultures and other cultures don't seem to be adopted. Well Tommy Robinson didn't just say what you've said and I have problems even with what you've just said there. I'll tell you why a minute. He said end Islam in this country. Do you support that? In context, no. No, no. Well, what's the conversation? If somebody said it in a supermarket queue, if somebody said it in a cinema, if somebody said it on the street, is it acceptable?
Starting point is 00:49:16 Perry, we lost you. Sorry, no, no, I don't agree with it. But when listening to what... What do you think it means? I think what is identity. I think what he's trying to say is we need our identity and we need, you know, to support it. At the moment, we're at a loss, Sheila. Colin Brazier, I actually felt disgusted watching that because I just felt she was bullying and harassing that guy into agreement.
Starting point is 00:49:47 And she had her lines, right? She had her line. She was not deviating from her script. And it was a completely warped interpretation of what happened. I mean, we broadcast all eight hours of UTK on Saturday. What she reported did not match what the event was. Has there been any protest or demonstration in human history involving tens of thousands of people where everybody has cleaved to the same ideological hymsheet? It doesn't happen, Dan. It never has. There will always be outriders,
Starting point is 00:50:20 and to expect anybody to stand up in front of a microphone and account for every single person's actions is an absurdity. I mean, I have to say, in all this, when I used to, my sort of swan song in mainstream media was at LBC. Yes, it was. Well, I'm so thrilled and chuffed about the way that the views that that individual was expressing to Sheila Fogarty. Now, do find a home where they are listened to seriously and sensitively and sympathetically. Not unchallenged. I'm not talking about that.
Starting point is 00:50:52 But I am saying that the Overton window is in rapid movement. The mainstream media has been left behind it. And I'm cheered when I see the sense of frustration you can see from that individual there. because it is wrong to focus on the tiny minority and ignore what the majority was saying and doing and coming all the way to London to make their voices heard. Absolutely. Kelly J Keene, as someone who spoke at UTK, can you just respond to Sheila Foggety?
Starting point is 00:51:20 Well, I think it's really interesting that what she doesn't ask is why might some people be saying that they would like Islam to leave this country? What is it that we have a problem with, with Islam. And I'd say blowing up girls in a music concert, I'd probably say blowing up buses
Starting point is 00:51:41 and other public transport, obscene amounts of violence, the two-tier policing where the police have said, hey lads, why don't you just go and put your weapons in the mosque? When they arrested a woman on the march who had like a replica sword, very silly for her to bring it, but just to make that comparison.
Starting point is 00:52:01 So I think what people are, People need to start asking before condemning people for saying, well, I'm not really comfortable with Islam. I don't like Sharia courts, etc. would be to ask why. What is it that makes you so uncomfortable about Islam? And I guess that's not a question that Sheila's going to ask, because she damn well knows the answer. Has Reform UK hit its peak? Is the high watermark past? That is the suggestion, especially after Nigel Farage, seem to change. change his story again about why he kicked Rupert Lowe out of Reform U.K. With Basil the Great Posting, now he's saying Rupert Lowe challenging him in public was the problem.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Watch this. I maintain long-term work relationships with most people that ever crossed my path. Even all my staff who worked for me in the 90s 30 years ago in the city are all still personal friends. I don't fall out with people. But what happens in politics is you get people to think they're much cleverer than you and they got elected to the European Parliament because of who they were. And they all get a bit too big for their boots. They decide to take me on.
Starting point is 00:53:16 And then... So we're talking Rupert Lowe? Maybe I'm not quite as friendly of that. Rupert Lowe, Ben Habib. Well, I mean... Douglas Carswell's come back to the folder. I mean, some of these people go mad. What is it about you that sends us around the bend then?
Starting point is 00:53:28 Working with you seem to be around the bend. Jealousy? Jealousy. Jealousy? It's not that you're... You don't Brooke descent. You don't... I'm perfectly relaxed.
Starting point is 00:53:37 about people disagreeing with me? Just don't do it in public. Just don't do it in public. That's the rule, is it? Simple as it. But there are other problems, of course, for those of us who view ourselves as true small sea conservatives, truly on the right,
Starting point is 00:53:51 as the spectator has this week revealed Nigel Farage's plan to win over the left, and it includes getting close to the trade unions. So Peter C. Barnes, who is an independent reporter from politics unspun, says that Reform UK is actually in deep trouble. In deep trouble. In a bold new piece of investigative reporting, he writes in part, the morning after the count in the local elections,
Starting point is 00:54:24 Reform UK became legally responsible for adult social care in Essex, for send provision in Sunderland, for planning decisions in Suffolk, or waste collection in Wakefield. These are not symbolic responsibilities. They cannot be delegated to the blob or blamed on Brussels or deferred until the next election cycle. They are the unglamorous, unforgiving machinery of local government. And they come with the price tag that makes reform campaign pledges look like the scribblings of a man who has never seen a council budget book.
Starting point is 00:54:53 Farage's hedge not promising miracles was the sound of a man realizing he had just traded the protest contract for the delivery contract. the protest contract rewards you for identifying problems, the delivery contract punishes you for failing to solve them. The bill does not arrive on election night. He had other criticisms too, writing that Reform UK assembled its candidate cohort at speed. Quality control was non-existent. Fifteen candidates withdrawn in Scotland and Wales before polling day, a candidate photograph performing a Nazi salute at a music festival, racist social media post-reservice from dormant accounts, to qualified company directors standing in multiple constituencies. Candidates who, when confronted by local media,
Starting point is 00:55:33 appeared uncertain which party they were standing for. This was not a vetting failure. This was the vetting process. The vetting crisis is not a teething problem that will resolve itself with time and professionalism. It is a structural liability baked into reforms DNA. Farage's leadership style, charismatic, centralized, allergic to bureaucracy, is optimized for protest, not governments.
Starting point is 00:55:54 protest does not require HR departments or candidate training programs. Governance does. The candidate pipeline is not a problem reform can solve. It is a problem reform is. And what's interesting, I mean, those local election results, we all agree, were historic, but there has been no bount. This is the latest you gov poll from sly news. Look at that. Down three points. Reform UK, 25%. The Conservatives still on 18%. Labor 17, Green 15, Lib Dems 4%. And I do know Restore Britain on 4% with Rupert low protesting that the party should be prompted and it would be much higher in the polls. So let's debate this now.
Starting point is 00:56:37 We've got a fabulous superstar panel to do so because joining us from Restore Britain is Richard Donaldson, Colin Brazier, the now independent broadcaster of Outpost, has previously media trained reform UK candidates. Kelly J. Kean is a women's rights activist. But first to you, Peter, given you've written this brilliant post where you talk about these structural liabilities within Reform UK. And you seem convinced that this is peak reform, which is something that Rupert Lowe told me the day after the local elections. Yeah, realistically, Rupert Lowe predicted this. And that's why, you know, Restore Britain essentially existed, exists right now. You know, his entire point was Nigel Farage is interested in the protest, not the government bit.
Starting point is 00:57:26 You know, the actual government. It's where Morgan McSweeney was the reason that the Starma government failed. They built protests, they didn't build government machinery. This is the big point. If you actually look at what voters actually won, it's for you to do something. It's when you say it, you say it,
Starting point is 00:57:42 and then deliver it. And they're starting to judge political parties and politicians on their delivery record, not just on the speeches on their sentiments anymore. Because a lot of voters, particularly in the Red Wall, in Mayfield as a prime example, public services and access to public services is one of the major, major issues. It's not really immigration or necessarily the small boats.
Starting point is 00:58:03 It's the impact that it has of the communities. It's a nuance, but it's definitely there. When you look at reform as a whole, they haven't really moved forward. As I said earlier, their national equivalent vote share has gone backwards. They spent millions of pounds, and their vote share has not increased. if you look at where they actually have won and won big. They've only consolidated their vote. They haven't expanded it.
Starting point is 00:58:26 They failed to really break into remain areas where the Brexit vote was over 40%. Reform a polling around about 10% in local elections. That's not how you win the country. They were blocked out of executive power in Wales because they don't have any coalition partners. That's also a big problem in Scotland as well. However, in Scotland, yes, they won seats,
Starting point is 00:58:47 but they didn't win the constituencies. they won because of the lists. There are huge problems here that aren't being talked about, mainly because, as Nigel just said in that little clip, if you dare speak them, you're out and you see his nasty side. You dare question the great dear leader, as it seems to be. And both Ben-Aib and Rupert Lowe made these points, and that's why their parties now exist.
Starting point is 00:59:11 And you can't just wish them away. The electorate is a punishing electorate now. It's going to hold you to a very high standard. Reform are not the insurgency. They are now the establishment. They are now in charge. They will be judged not by how well you can point at something and tell me it's terrible. They're going to be judged by pointing at something and saying, I fixed it.
Starting point is 00:59:32 And if you didn't, they're going to vote for somebody else who says that they might have a better plan. That's reform's problem right there. These elections, yeah, they look great on paper. But they are, as I said, they're a bill. And the bill's due pretty soon. Colin Brazier, is he wrong? There's a lot that Peter says there that makes sense. Delivery is important to people.
Starting point is 00:59:53 They want to see things happen that last rather than just rhetoric. I absolutely get that. When you look at, say, Conservative Central Office, you're talking about a party that's been around for a couple of hundred years. It's got enormous institutional memory. Reform was founded in 2018. Yes, it was built on the shoulders of previous parties and previous movements, but it's been there since 2018.
Starting point is 01:00:14 It doesn't yet have that institutional memory, that other long-standing and long-established parties have. It's nimble, it breaks things, it moves fast. To what extent has had a reflection of Nigel Farage's cult of personality, maybe, to some degree, when I heard him talking to Harry Cole there and saying, actually, if there is dirty laundry, it just has to be kept in house. I think I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:00:36 I think that if people really dissent to that degree, they need to leave or just stay quiet about it. That's just a personal view of mind. Just one final point, and on the point about the polls, was there a balance after the local elections? I know what you're saying about that, Sam Coates poll. I mean, there were other polls that said it was up to pushing back up towards 30%. I just repeat, this is a party that's been around since 2018.
Starting point is 01:00:58 If you'd said in 2018, there was going to be a party led by Nigel Farage, which by 2026 was going to be consistently polling as the largest political party in the United Kingdom, people would have said you were daft and mad. Yes. Yes, and I mean, the thing is Kelly J. Keene, the whole system has changed. I mean, the two-party system, where even just a few years ago, we had Boris Johnson's Conservatives on well over 40% in the polls.
Starting point is 01:01:23 I do think that's gone. So we're going to have to deal with this system change. And if you look at the Makerfield by-election, for example, where everyone is calling on the smaller parties to stand down, well, they're not going to. The Green Party isn't going to stand down to give Burnham a clear run either. Yeah, I just wonder how long they're sort of not too. two-party thing will last. I mean, I hope it lasts forever. I hope we have more choice as an
Starting point is 01:01:50 electorate, but I just wonder whether it's going to be a bit of a flash for the next sort of five to ten years or two election cycles, and then it might be over. I think the, I think the Conservatives, you'd be wrong not to think that they're going to come back. And the Labor Party, I think, will be decimated, hopefully. I mean, maybe it's fascinating to still see 18% of people backing the Conservatives now. I mean, that is fascinating. Yeah, but I think they'll stay the course. I think Kemi's doing really well. I think she's sort of, she's really sort of in our stride now.
Starting point is 01:02:22 I like watching her. I didn't used to, but now I really like watching her. So, yeah, let's hope the two-party system is going to have gone for maybe two election cycles. And then after that, I think we might, it depends on how reform go. I think we might see a return to it. That's, so my money really long term. is probably back in the... That's depressing.
Starting point is 01:02:48 That's depressing. Richard, do you genuinely believe... I mean, we've got Rupert Lowe now saying genuinely, from the bottom of his heart, he believes Restore Britain cannot just win in Makerfield, but can win the general election.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Then you have realists like me, who are much more along the lines of absolutely love what Rupert is doing, absolutely love the goals of Restore Britain, hate the mainstream media censorship around the party, but believe that maybe Restore's biggest success will be keeping Reform UK honest. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:03:22 Keeping Reform UK having to move to the right rather than pivoting to the left. Which camp are you in? Do you genuinely believe that Restore can win in Make a Field? Do you genuinely believe that Restore can win the next general election? I mean, I'd get in a lot of trouble with a branch organiser if I said no, but I genuinely do, yes.
Starting point is 01:03:42 I think, yeah, with reform, you know, we've seen Nigel Farage flip-flop on so many issues. And then with the likes of Advanced UK, credit where it's due, with Restore as well, you know, I think you're absolutely right. I think what it's doing is it's keeping reform, it's keeping Nigel Farage on his toes. He's flip-flopped on so many things. I mean, you know, one moment he was saying, you know, we can stop the boats the next minute he said, we couldn't. You know, one minute he's saying, you know, you can't get rid of Islam. It's a political impossibility. One minute he wants to stop women going into men, sorry, men going into women.
Starting point is 01:04:12 and he's changing rooms, and then he said, well, it depends. It's a case-by-case basis. And then since restores come along, and again, advance, as I say, credit where it's due to Ben-Abib, the conversations shifted. And I think Nigel has seen the appetite in this country for genuine change, radical change, not extreme change, radical change. So yeah, absolutely. And it's interesting, Peter C-Bunds, you don't think that Rupert-Loe and Restore Britain actually have to win in this by-election to prove that they are going to be a major thorn in the side of Reform UK. Because what's interesting, the party leaders sort of in public say, oh, we don't care. We don't care.
Starting point is 01:04:52 Rupert can do what he wants. We don't care. Actually, internally, I'm told that they've crunched the numbers and actually even 2% to restore Britain could seriously damage their chances in a number of constituencies. Oh, without a doubt, if you actually brought it out, if they pulled between one and five, percent that is a huge problem for reform UK because this is a very close by-election. And as I said, if this is the Brexit issue, Nigel Farage should be rocking it. He isn't.
Starting point is 01:05:24 On the issue of the being a young party, yeah, of course. However, the public won't judge you based on that. You've been around a while. You've been claiming you want to be the prime minister in waiting. You've been claiming all of this stuff. The public will judge you accordingly. It doesn't matter whether you're a day old or 20 or 100 years old. You don't deliver.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Out you go. This is the reality of the brutality of the British public. Restore, I don't think are going to win and make a field, but for me, they don't have to. All they have to do is make sure reform don't win, and that means that they have to be taken seriously. Restore have a different set of parameters about what winning actually looks like. It's not the MP. It is making sure reform are not inevitable. That means Rupert Lowe is back in the room.
Starting point is 01:06:08 That means Ben Habib is back in the room. The conservatives are exactly the same. That's why they won't stand down. They slow down the juggernaut of Reform UK. They certainly have to be taken seriously because as we look at the actual, the equivalency vote, reform is short of a common's majority. They need partners. That's what we learned in Wales. They don't have any.
Starting point is 01:06:27 So therefore, they need to work together. If reform is weaker, that means restore, have a greater foothold in the kind of the future negotiations. This is all about positioning and it's coalition politics and I would get used to it. I agree with Kelly, with Kelly J, that unfortunately, I don't see the end of the two-party system. The Tories are still alive. The Labour Party will still exist. The Tories are alive, by the way, in the areas that reform aren't winning and need to. For example, the commuter belt, and particularly the very wealthy areas, they haven't, I always say that they've got the snarl.
Starting point is 01:07:01 They haven't got the murmur of the conservative movement. So that's a big problem because if they're still fighting their own side, how are they winning the country? but it's a very different set of situations that restore and reform are in. But that nuance is often lost when, you know, everybody's screaming at me because I don't happen to support their guy. Breaking today, Piers Morgan's disgusting hit piece on Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom rally has just catastrophically backfired as his own audience turn on him over a host of lies, fakery and attempts to destroy true patriots live on air.
Starting point is 01:07:39 Now, Pears was completely exposed on his own show, is what's so beautiful about it, by outspoken contributors Don Keith and Baste and Buzi, as he pathetically attempted to intellectually assassinate them on uncensored. By the way, not a true independent outfit given it is filmed and funded in Rupert Murdoch's London Studios. Now, Baste and Bougy will be here live shortly to hit back at Pears over the dishonest piece of broadcasting. that even sparked that awful Ava Santina to storm off set. And for that based, I thank you. But first, I want to show you the video
Starting point is 01:08:17 that Pear's played to begin what was a planned and staged attack on our base. You're seeing people in solitary confinement for a difference of opinion, and now you're seeing people like the likes of Pears Morgan hauling us the same old, boring, far right, for being patriotic. Well, I have a question for Peers Morgan.
Starting point is 01:08:38 If this is a far right, racist event, than what the f*** am I doing here? The establishment of Piers Morgan Kirstama need to learn that us patriots are this country's last hope. And rather than waking up to this fact,
Starting point is 01:08:59 they would rather sit there and police when and where the English people wear the English flag. Let me make something very clear. If seeing the Union Jack makes you crush, respectfully pack your bags and get lost. So of course, Pear's hated the fact that
Starting point is 01:09:14 Bates had gone for him personally, so he descended into playing a low-grade game of MSM-gotcha. Watch. What is the Union Jack, do you think? For me, the Union Jack is a sign of first of all. What is it? Whose flag is the Union Jack? The British flag. Hmm?
Starting point is 01:09:31 The British flag. You said English flag there? The English, no. The Union Jack is the British flag. Why did you say English flag? Obviously, when you're under pressure, you end up saying things, but it is the British. You know the England is United Kingdom? No, I'm just saying.
Starting point is 01:09:44 that it's the union jack obviously represents i know the difference between the two but what we discussing what is the english flag you know is this flag with the red cross right so but that wasn't the one behind you and that wasn't the one you were talking about okay congratulations you caught me here well no i'm just saying if you're gonna start when you're under pressure you're gonna start saying things okay we're gonna start haranguing me on millions of people you get a little bit nervous millions of people you're gonna start haranging people like me for not understanding what it means to be english it would help if you understood what the english flag actually is oh you caught me I mean, pathetic.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Utterly pathetic. Now, so much of what Pierce was doing, of course, is because he has a deep hatred, a deep personal hatred for Tommy Robinson, which Al-Don Keith, who was banned from entering the country to present Outspoken's coverage of UTK by Slippery Stama, pointed out.
Starting point is 01:10:32 Watch. Your problem is you have a vendetta against Tommy Robinson because the last time he was on his show, he gave you a shillacking, and you've never forgiven him for him. No, he didn't. Yes, he did.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Yes he did. Everybody knows it. Like a silly little boy. And I held him to account for it. Look at the clips, man. Look at the clips. If your hero, Tommy, is so courageous and so fierce. He's not my hero. Here's my friend.
Starting point is 01:10:56 But he is a champion to the British people. If your friend Tommy, all he has to do is sit here in this desk opposite me and face the same questions. But you know why he's ducking me? Because he knows if he repeats the bullshit he spews to you guys that you all seem to swallow, he's going back to prison. I'm challenging you right now. You can't. Now, Don gave us his exclusive reaction to that watch. Pierce has the British version of TDS.
Starting point is 01:11:21 He has Tommy derangement syndrome. And I think this stems from the fact that many years ago, he got shillacking the last time Tommy was on one of his shows. Tommy just gave him a good old-fashioned shillacking, and he's never gotten over it. I told him that to his face just now. I just got off with him right before you. I told him that to his face.
Starting point is 01:11:40 And he was like, no, he didn't. He didn't. He didn't. But I think he did. I think he did. But Pearz really showed how I think he's completely out of touch, actually, with the British public during this episode of Unsensored, as he shamefully put on a pathetic display of inserting his tongue
Starting point is 01:11:58 deep inside London's failed Islamist Mare Sadiq Khan's asshole. Watch. Well, I saw Sadiq Khan today, funny enough, at the Chelsea Flower Show. And we had a nice chap. And Sadiq Khan is actually a very moderate Muslim. He's never, there's no evidence. of him ever forcing any kind of extreme Muslim views or laws down on anybody. That's why he's been re-elected twice.
Starting point is 01:12:21 And it's one of the most successful mayors in London history. And yet he's portrayed in America as some kind of demonic Islamist extremist. I mean, according to Pears, there's not even an Islamist takeover of London. Is he serious? There's no Muslim takeover. The game won't be stopped halfway through because the Muslims have decided in a shri-a. court that we're not allowed to play. This is all horseshit. Check. Your thoughts. Yeah, it's fine. 250,000 of your women are being raped by Muslim, but it's okay. Again, utterly ridiculous state.
Starting point is 01:13:04 Oh my God. Go to Birmingham. Go to Massachusetts. As I've said repeatedly, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in the UK. Don Keith, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in my country is committed by white men. Oh, here we go. You've never heard of a capital. I have heard of her. It's disproportionately committed by Muslims against white Christian girls because it's a rape genocide. But the problem is, Piers' show isn't serious, right? It's not a serious show because after Don, very upstanding guy, married to a very upstanding woman, with a family. You know, I know Don, he's a great person.
Starting point is 01:13:46 And after he put forward that statistic, the young Turks, Islamist, made a very up, a really disgusting claim against him. You probably want to do it. That's why you put it. You projected on the Muslims because your sick mind thinks that that's a fun thing to do. We don't think that's a fun thing to do. You think it's a fun thing to do because you're a sick individual. You're an idiot.
Starting point is 01:14:13 You're an idiot. What was it? Oh, wow. That was effective. Well, I'm sorry. I missed what you said, Chek. What did you say? Yours was super effective, too.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Check, what was the point you made? So what happens, hold on, hold on. What happens all the time with anti-Muslim hatred is projection. So, for example, the Israeli talking about Muslims. I like, I like Muslims. I like, hold on. Hold on. Shut up.
Starting point is 01:14:36 Shut up. Hey, Bigot. You shut up. You shut up. Shut up. Shut your mouth. What are you going to do? What are going to do?
Starting point is 01:14:41 So, no, it's my question. It's my question. Okay. So this bigot comes on here and makes up this fantasy he has in his head about Muslims raping white women because he wants to rape women. And he thinks that's a fun thing. thing to do so he projects it out in the marketplace. I can't.
Starting point is 01:14:58 Just utterly ludicrous. Also ludicrous, by the way, is the fact that the mainstream media keep platforming that horrible woman, Ava Santina. Now, she's a left-wing flame throw, but she's also totally discredited as a journalist. Like, yesterday she was embarrassed because she claimed that Dawn Butler was about to announce she was running against Sadiq Khan for the London Merrill. I mean, this woman is a joke. She was a big part of whipping up the hysteria, which led to my departure from GB News.
Starting point is 01:15:21 and she put on another display of faux outrage win completely owned by Bastian Buzi who went in for the kill watch. Can I just say importantly before you ask me your question, I can't find any evidence of that statistic. And I think the thing I would say, which is probably not going to go down very well, but various police forces, and actually that was one of the main reasons that the Rotherham grooming gangs exploded in the way it is, don't actually record ethnicity and race.
Starting point is 01:15:47 That's a big problem in this country. So it would be highly unlikely that you'd have been able to have that kind of data in the first place. It was, it was given to the House of Commons, excuse me, House of Lords by Lord Pearson. Yes, sorry, thank you, but by Lord Pearson, but there isn't any evidence. It was then submitted to ministers who rejected it. So I don't think there is any evidence for that claim. Sorry, can I ask you a question?
Starting point is 01:16:10 Of course, of course he's like. If someone, God forbid, raped your daughter and then came back to you and said to you, actually, let's talk about ethnicity and religion and statistics and not the fact that your child has been raped. How would you feel? How would you feel? These are children we're talking about. Children have been raped.
Starting point is 01:16:27 I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. They're talking about, it's like the curbiard, racism, and all of this. And then Ava put on probably her most pathetic attention-seeking stunt yet, as she was looked like she was auditioning for the role of Britain's most stroppy teenager. No, the point that I'm making is,
Starting point is 01:16:48 Why wasn't your response? This is wrong. We need to figure out a way to do it. Instead, you brought out statistics from your phone talking about, I cannot find it. That is categorically unfair. No, what I'm trying to say is as a woman have some compassion. No, I'm not going to have you dominate the narrative here. If someone's telling you that they're saying that young women are being assaulted.
Starting point is 01:17:05 I can't be asked for me. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm sorry. And demonic. It's so demonic. What is demonic? What are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:17:13 It's demonic to sit there and make. You just driven someone to leave the studio? Yeah, no, she left by herself. You made up a statue. She left by her. She does not like the fact that I just drew her out for being actually quite disgusting. If someone told you that young girls. She was disgusting. You were the one being disgusting.
Starting point is 01:17:28 And to respond exclusively now to Pearz Morgan. Baste and Bougie is here. And she joins me on the superstar panel alongside Kelly J Keene, Richard Donaldson, Peter C. Barnes and Colin Brazier. So, Baste, firstly, I thought you were brilliant because what he tried to do, I thought it was one of the most cynical, disgusting pieces of broadcasting I've ever seen, in the independent space, because this was like what the MSM do, he immediately tried to set you up based as being stupid, some type of thick-o, put you off your game right at the start by doing that
Starting point is 01:18:02 gotcha about the flag. He had clearly decided that he wanted to humiliate you. He said, oh, I've never heard of you, no idea who you are. And I thought it took you a little moment to get over that, and then you warmed up again. So what was it like for? firstly and how did he treat you before you went on and afterwards? Well, first of I just want to start off by saying that, Pierce Morgan is a pathetic pig. That's what he is. Just a pathetic Pear's pig, you know,
Starting point is 01:18:33 because if you actually think about it, a pig is somebody who just eats anything. And that's exactly what Pierce Morgan is. He will eat any kind of money. And you accept, sorry, any kind of money, even if it means, you know, trying to downplay the grooming gangs. It was absolutely disgusting. But no, he did have it out for me because when I first walked in, he didn't even say hi.
Starting point is 01:18:53 He was too busy barking at his staff members, telling them how long does it take you guys to get one thing simply done and just shouting? Pretty much belittling his staff members. It was so rude. So I had to say hi. And then he goes, hi. Then he started to ask me my name. And I told him it's scintage. And he goes, why is it based in Bugi?
Starting point is 01:19:11 And I'm like, that's just the name that I go for my social media. And he goes, okay, so then what do I call you? I said, you can call me whatever. But then he tries to do the exact same thing again when we go live on air asking me, what is my name is at Sintish or Baste and Bugi? We already went through this behind the scenes. So he was very condescending. And even after we left, he didn't even say bye.
Starting point is 01:19:29 I just said, are we done? And he said, yeah. And I said, okay, thank you. He was just like, bye. So he had it out for me. And this is what I mean when I say he's absolutely a pathetic pig. And I think that whole Piers Morgan show was so beneath me, like so beneath me, because first and foremost, of all the things to talk about about what happened during UTK,
Starting point is 01:19:46 You want to talk about the 50,000 to it and million people. You want to talk about whether I said the English flag or the British flag. First or foremost, that was two separate sentences. I was first referring to the English flag and in a separate sentence, I said the British flag. I never said they were all one. So he tried to catch me out there. And I think it was absolutely hilarious on all this because of what?
Starting point is 01:20:06 Because I'm associated with Tommy Robinson. Tomlin is someone that I see like once or twice a year. So he has Tommy the Ranger's syndrome. And I think the reason why he hates Tommy so much is, because this far-right football hoologam is more respected than he will ever be. And rather than him hating on Tom Robinson, what he should do is grow some balls and stop being a pig and just be honest about what's actually happening in this country.
Starting point is 01:20:28 And what happened with that woman, Ava Santina, because it was almost like she was disgusted to have to sit next to you based. Well, she's just a brat because half of the time she was on her phone, texting her friends. She wasn't serious. And the reason why she walked out is because I knew exactly what, she was trying to do. When she mentioned those statistics, she wasn't mentioned it because she wanted to sound intellectually smart. She mentioned it because she wanted to downplay the grooming scandal.
Starting point is 01:20:56 Now, for me, as a woman, I do not play about women or children. If a mother comes to me and tells me her child has been assaulted, I'm not going to start talking about Islamophobia and race and DEI and multiculturalism. It's just what happened. I'm sorry this happened. How can we fix this? So I feel like people like the likes of Eva and Pear's Morgan. Their problem is they live this very privileged life and I don't have to go through the issues that we go through as the working class in the middle class. I mean, Pearz was literally like, I've just been with Sadiq Khan at the Chelsea Garden show. It's like, oh my God, could you be any more out of touch?
Starting point is 01:21:30 We can't escape to our $5 million mansion in Mallrose. And the saddest thing about it is that he tried to catch me out. But if you look at his comment section, there's not one positive comment in Pierce's favor. Because everyone can see that he's a pig. He's a person that would just eat anything. His viewers turned on him over his treatment of you, right? Exactly. Anyone who knows me knows I'm not a rude person at all until, you know, my buttons are pushed.
Starting point is 01:21:54 But it was just so unnecessary. I mean, I knew he was going to corner me because that's what Piers done. I knew he was going to speak over me, but that's what Piers done. But I've never seen him this rude towards any guest. And I think it's just symbolic of the fact that he does seriously have a Tommy deranger syndrome because it's almost as though he has this like hatred towards anyone who's associated to Tommy, even the way he was poking fun at Pastor Ricky. That was an AI video.
Starting point is 01:22:22 It was fake. It was a hater that made that video of Pastor Ricky. So he nitpicked the most silliest things at an event that was absolutely perfect. Exactly. And we're going to have Ricky Doolin on the show tomorrow, actually. He is now threatening to sue Piers Morgan over these claims. There was one other thing I had to show you, though, based. That Dr. Scholar has been coming from.
Starting point is 01:22:45 for you as well. I think she's the biggest anti-white racist in Britain. Watch this. Oh, darling, let me help you out with that. You don't need peer smoking for that. You see, the reason you are here is because you're doing what every other black, far right, racial gatekeeping, cockle-knotting, fool has been doing since the time Memorial. Tap dancing. She, there's nothing unique about you, girl, there's nothing new about you. We've been seeing you that's precedent for you. All I'm going to say is this when whatever this is you're doing
Starting point is 01:23:26 for whatever it is you want it for comes to its natural expiration end don't come run into it I mean she's such a revolting human being but how would you respond based? She's ghetto she's literally just a ghetto
Starting point is 01:23:41 ratchet woman like I have nothing to say towards that nothing she said was offensive I know what I'm doing what I do is because I love my country I love Christianity and I want this country to remain British and Christian and whoever's offended by that, please go be offended.
Starting point is 01:23:57 Like, she's just ghetto, eating biscuits, the headscarf. Like, have some class, please. So beneath me. I want to bring the superstar panel in on this. There they are, Richard Donaldson, Peter C. Barnes, Colin Brazier. And Kelly J. Keene, Pears has attempted to paint you as a far right bigot in the past, too. And you post on this, why Pears Morgan never invited me on again. He hates people who make him look stupid.
Starting point is 01:24:24 This is what went down between the two of you. But let me ask you, you're very strong about supporting women's rights to the point where many say that you are transphobic. Are you transphobic? Well, I think in 2022, transphobic really just means I don't think women have penises. And so, yeah, I absolutely am. So you're proud of being transphobic? Yeah, I'm proud of standing up for women's rights
Starting point is 01:24:56 and making the word woman completely exclusive to just women, adult human females, 100%. Now, I do think that's a really interesting thing, Kelly, Jay, because what I've noticed is any time Pierce Morgan is owned by someone who doesn't agree with him, someone who's smarter than him, he bans them from his show. He actually said during last night's broadcast, you're never going to be back-based.
Starting point is 01:25:17 That's it. You're done. Yeah, of course she's never going to be back because she just spoke really plain, plain English, very truthful, down to earth, totally relatable, and made Pear's just looked like a deranged idiot and Ava looked like a big baby. So, yeah, that would be your last time on their base,
Starting point is 01:25:41 but I think you'll probably be better for it. Colin Bracey, it's interesting, isn't it, this Pear's Morgan game that he plays, Because the independent media is usually to try and avoid those sort of gotcha moments, but it is impossible to deny that Peir's uncensored show is a phenomenon, like as a piece of entertainment. It has massive views. And he sort of, I think, compares himself now to like the modern day Jerry Springer, where he's
Starting point is 01:26:14 almost like encouraging this sort of like. violent confrontation every episode. But to me, that one felt like a set-up. It felt like he'd gone in with a clear plan. You had the whiff of Salem about it. It felt like a witch trial. You know, I'd made a note of it. There's still enough of the old sort of newspaper reporter in me
Starting point is 01:26:39 to still try and write down a quote that matters. I'm not trying to play gotcha, said Pierce Morgan, having tried to play gotcha. I mean, you know, if you're going to be honest, be honest. If you're going to lie, make it a decent lie. That's sophistry in my book. I'm not trying to play gotcha. We all just saw what he did.
Starting point is 01:26:57 He was playing gotcha. I find it really uncomfortable viewing, Dan. And I think that you do, I'm not blowing smoke up your backside. I think it's true. It's really important. People might just think this is a bit of froth. It's really important to forensically unpick how this system works, how it's used against people, how it's used to turn against arguments.
Starting point is 01:27:17 It's increasing our media literacy, not in a media study's bogus way, but really understanding what's coming through your screen, how your mind's being played with, not in some kooky way, but just in terms of how opinions are formed by bigger opinion forming personalities like peers. And to Sintish, I would just say, I haven't got the guts to stand up, Kelly Joe as well, in front of tens of thousands of people like you did. I applaud you for doing it.
Starting point is 01:27:42 I applaud your guts in doing it. And going on a show is small beer by comparison with what you did on Saturday. Yeah, that's so true, isn't it? Peter C. Bans, I wonder if you have a different point of view on this, because you're sort of in the building at talk sometimes. Do you think there is merit in this type of, he sort of is almost proudly boastful of the fact that his show is a circus and he's the ringmaster? Yeah, the circus definitely brings in the eyeballs. Of course it does. and there is value in this. I often think it's great
Starting point is 01:28:16 because you put people like Sengk on it, and the next thing you know, the electoral prospects of the left plummet through the ground. I've always said the great thing you do with people like that is you actually give them the platform, and they often undercut themselves. I always go back to the great example of Nick Griffin on Question Time. And once he was on that,
Starting point is 01:28:33 the support for the BNP collapsed through the floor. I was told at university, and I still believe it now, sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. You've put them on the spotlight. They usually disappear. What I will say, though, is, I liked what you did based because when Joe Cox was murdered, every Brexit voter was made to feel like they were responsible.
Starting point is 01:28:53 It's nice to see that somebody throws back at the people that want to bring people on the small boats here that say that they're all women and children, they're all doctors and nurses, are actually made to confront the realities of the policies that they support. And I think that's really important that we start to do this, say, like, look, you support this, this is the consequence. It's important we get our facts right. it's a point we get the stats right and all the rest of it. But, you know, when you go out there on the media,
Starting point is 01:29:16 you start pushing a certain narrative. You should rather be held accountable for the consequences of the narrative that you push. And I think we should have more of that. So more of more based is what I say. Richard Donaldson, what did you make of it? Yeah, well, first of all, base and bougie, I was at UTK.
Starting point is 01:29:33 And when I stood there watching you and you give that speech, I was like, it was a brilliant speech. But then when you were on Piers Morgan last night, I was like, mm-la, you handled it so, so well, okay? He was an absolute asshole last night, even by his own standards. He essentially, you know, if you break it down and make it as simple as possible, he invited a young woman onto his show because he invited you, didn't he based? It wasn't the other way around.
Starting point is 01:29:53 Yeah. Is that correct, right? Yeah, he doesn't know me, but it was actually him that invited me. Right. So he's invited you onto his show, then decided to nitpick at every single little thing and avoid the argument completely. And he did it in such a disgusting way because, and viewers will notice that peers asked, you know, serious questions where a debate
Starting point is 01:30:12 should have been able to take place and instead he cut you off every couple of words every couple of words and then nitpicked at the most sort of microscopic details because he knew that you know once base and bougie was able to start getting a point across he would have been absolutely finished so you know all right you you got your english flags and your and your you know your UK flag your union jack mixed up who cares millions of people were watching i don't care what he says because i mean my stream alone got got i think got something like two points something million views everyone was streaming that day. You had the Dan Witten show was there.
Starting point is 01:30:44 Millions of people were watching you, and I think you handled it absolutely beautifully. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Yeah, you really did based. You really did. And you wouldn't go back anyway based if you were asked following that experience? I actually would.
Starting point is 01:30:57 I actually would. I'm not afraid of communication, and I can never be bullied. But the one lesson I can take from being on Pais Morgan is I think that people on the right and people who are patriots need to be absolutely aggressive when it comes to the views. I've realised that these people, they will do everything in their power
Starting point is 01:31:15 to try to make you seem like you are going mad or you are delusional, you are downplaying statistics. So it's very important that we act just as aggressively as them because they are evil and they will take it there. Like we saw with Ava trying to downplay the Grim and Gang statistics, like we saw with the fat guy, he was trying to tell what's his name, that he wants to
Starting point is 01:31:36 our young girls, they will take it there. So we just need to be just as aggressive. Thank you, his Morgan's experience, I guess. All standby, based standby,
Starting point is 01:31:46 superstar panel, standby because we're about to get to today's greatest Britain and union jackass. A couple of comments on this, though. Kevin Massey says, I don't even think Morgan
Starting point is 01:31:55 is pretending to be stupid for clicks. He's just stupid. And God has love says, Restore Britain is a legitimate place. party, they have every right to stand in all elections like other parties they should and must stand and Juliet Johnson says better get used to Adel Ray. There'll be more unite the kingdom rallies to come. Okay, a reminder of our union jackass nominees, Colin Brazier, went for Andy Burnham for flip-flopping on Brexit. Kelly J Keane went for Pearce for the reasons we have just discussed.
Starting point is 01:32:30 And Peter C. Barnes went for Dan Hodges for proclaiming restore wouldn't stand a candidate and telling people to pin the tweet, then of course they did. Okay, the results are in. I have to say it's not close today. 4% of you went for Dan Hodges. 30% for Andy Bernard. But there you go. 66% proclaiming that Pears Morgan is the worst Britain in the world today. So that is a win for Kelly J Keene,
Starting point is 01:32:50 but also for you based, your reaction? My reaction to that is well-deserved. Like I said, Piz is a pathetic pig. Literally, he's just the pig. That's all he will ever be. And yes, he has all the money and all the views in the world, but he's just going to go down as the prophetic pick. And it's quite sad that that's his legacy. And Richard Donaldson, who are you nominating for today's greatest Britain?
Starting point is 01:33:14 I'm nominating based on Bougie. Oh, it's perfect. Thank you so much. Well, we know why. We know why. Very well done, base. Now, look, before you go, Colin Brazier, you had a big announcement last week, which took the internet by storm, actually.
Starting point is 01:33:35 Like, I think your videos had millions of views. But you are launching a brand new independent show. Your first show since leaving the mainstream media, where, of course, you were at Sly News for many years, GB News alongside me at launch, and then LBC. But this is going to be completely independent on a great new outfit, which I really like actually called Outpost.
Starting point is 01:34:01 what's it all about? It was founded by a couple of guys, one of whom James Glancy. Yeah, he's great. He's terrific. He was a Royal Marine. He's done his time in theatre, three tours of Afghanistan. A natural leader of men is how I would describe him, the kind of person I'm prepared to go over the top for Alex Webster,
Starting point is 01:34:20 brilliant documentary filmmaker as well, or something as a fantastic team. They want me to do a monologue, 40 minute or so monologue each and every week, trying to sum up or offer a take, a thoughtful take, hopefully, on the events of the week. I guess, I suppose, the best parallel will be something like Ben Shapiro, speaking slightly slowly, more slowly. Please. And we'll see. We'll see how it goes down.
Starting point is 01:34:44 The beginnings, the early signs are promising. I was really taken aback by the levels of industry report. I appreciated yours and many others besides. And maybe we'll expand it a couple of days a week. But at the end of the day, I've got some pigs and sheep here, which will cry careful. attention and that will also be a source of some ongoing interest for me. Yeah, I'm just looking now, the first, on X alone, the first episode has had 660,000 views. So I think that's, I mean, that's more views, Colin, than any show on GB News gets, for example.
Starting point is 01:35:17 So I think that shows where the media is going. And I'm so delighted to have you back. Brazier's back because, you know, I was a huge fan of your show on GV News. really missed it actually when it went. So very, very good news. Great to have you back. Thank you for being here though. Thank you. Actually, what a fabulous superstar panel. All of you. Richard Donaldson, he hosts the Richard Donaldson show, which is also in the independent media. You can find it on all platforms. Peter C. Barnes is behind the brilliant politics unspun, which I love. That's on substack and YouTube. Based and Buzi. We all know her name now. And you can find her on YouTube,
Starting point is 01:35:54 TikTok and X and of course Kelly J Keene on YouTube and X as well, although still demonetised, which I think is just a complete disgrace, a complete disgrace. So at some point that has to be dealt with Kelly J, doesn't it? But thank you so much for all being here today. Really, really appreciate it. We're not done yet, though, because we're moving over to Substack now for the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow. Lots going on today. So Angela Levin, our Royal Mastermind, she is standing by.
Starting point is 01:36:19 You can join us there at www.outspoken.live. but I will be back here with you live on YouTube 5pm UK time tomorrow, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. We are also available as a podcast now too. You can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. Please hit subscribe if you are watching on YouTube. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.

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