Dan Wootton Outspoken - ELON MUSK BACKS RUPERT LOWE & BEN HABIB AS REFORM, NIGEL FARAGE & KATIE HOPKINS LASH OUT

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

VERSO - https://evening.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. BREAKING TODAY: The bitter civil war on the right of British politics has turned nasty after the world��s richest man Elon Musk backed the launch of Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain and Ben Habib’s Advance UK over Nigel Farage’s Reform UK. In his Digest, Dan will reveal the battle lines and respond to those worried about a split on the right. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Jasmine Birtles of the brilliant Money Magpie on YouTube and Richard Taylor, a senior member of Advance UK. PLUS: Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins expose the hypocrisy over the BBC’s Glastonbury shame, as there are growing calls for Femi Oluwole to face arrest. AND: Humza Useless has gone completely mad, branding Elon Musk a “white supremacist” in a shock new appearance on stage. Is it time for the world’s richest man to sue? THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: An astonishing beyond the grave revelation from the late Queen’s cousin reveals how Elizabeth II REALLY felt about Meghan Markle – and it backs up what Dan has been reporting for years. We’ll reveal the astonishing details with our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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points on your first five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca. No spin no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 260. And breaking today, the bitter civil war on the right of British politics has turned nasty after the world's richest man, Elon Musk, backed the launch of Rupert Low's Restore Britain and Ben Habeib's Advance UK over Nigel Farage's reform UK. There's only one party now that is the real opposition and that is Reform UK. Yeah Ben can do this. Who's Ben Habeib for goodness sake? I've never even met the guy. If you want to vote reform that would be Nigel Farage and Reform so you could

vote that. If you want to vote Lawrence Fox that's Reclaim so Reclaim with Lawrence. If you want to restore things so that's different to Reform or Reclaim but if you're going to restore stuff that'll be with Rupert Lowe. In my digest next I'll reveal the battle lines and respond to those worried about a split on the right. Then my superstar panel away in Jasmine Bertels of the brilliant Money Magpie on YouTube and Richard Taylor, now a senior member of Ben Haviv's Advance UK. Also coming up on the show today, Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins expose the hypocrisy over the BBC's Glastonbury's shame as there are growing calls for Femi Olawali to become the latest to face arrest. Whomsy Useless has gone completely mad branding Elon Musk a white supremacist

in a shock new appearance on stage so is it time for the world's richest man to sue the failed former Scottish First Minister. And Bake Off winner Nadia Hussein says immigrants should not have to be grateful to Britain, but is she right? We'll debate then in the uncancelled after show on Substack and astonishing. This is truly astonishing. Beyond the grave revelation from the late Queen's cousin reveals how Elizabeth II really felt about Meghan Markle. And let me tell you, it backs up everything I have been reporting for years.

So we are going to reveal those astonishing, I do not use that word lightly, those astonishing details with our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. You can sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. We're also going to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass at the end of the show, but the Union Jackass, that's the worst Britain in the world today is completely up to you to vote for in the live chat on YouTube. Here are your nominees. Fatboy Slim nominated by MattKass04807, signalling for grown men and women to flip fingers at Donald Trump at

a screen on Glastonbury, cringe level off the charts. Boy George nominated by Darren Donaldson for trying but failing to take on JK Rowling on X. After losing, he blocked her and will reappear for the next Virtue Signaling cause to try and keep relevant. And they aforementioned Femi Oluwali, nominated by Big Momma Booth, Birmingham's finest professional virgin and political blogger, for not just posting a vile tweet repeatedly in support of Bob Villain's idea rant, but doubling down multiple times and having multiple tantrums with Josh Howey amongst others and a car number plate. Not sure what the car number plate bit means, but okay, I'll investigate that. Get voting right now. Let's go. To say the British right is divided is an understatement, and yesterday's announcement from two of its most popular and prominent figures, former Reform UK MP Rupert Lowe and

ex-Reform UK Deputy Leader Ben Habeib did nothing to calm things down. Indeed full-on warfare has broken out between those who think Nigel Farage's astonishing poll results mean everyone just needs to get off the field and get behind reform at any cost, versus those who believe the party's disturbing tact to the left, under Zia Youssef on issues like mass deportation and demography, and its authoritarian treatment of members, especially Tommy Robinson supporters, means that an alternative is necessary. Elon Musk. Not someone we should just dismiss. Despite his riles with Donald Trump at the moment, he is in the latter camp, with the world's richest man going public to support both Habib's new future political party and Lowe's Tea Party

style movement Restore Britain on X. And Reform UK's new MP Sarah Poach, you know I have to say, I think she's been brilliant on many issues like free speech and like banning the burka, really terrible on the issue of assisted dying, but last night she did herself a disservice But last night she did herself a disservice by agreeing to become the party's attack dog on its propaganda station GB News. Watch. There will be your adventure UK new kid on the block. What's your reaction to it? White noise. You know, I'm sorry, there is only one party now that is the real opposition and that is Reform UK. Yep, Ben can do this.

Who's Ben Habib, for goodness sake? I've never even met the guy. The British public know that to be a force in politics now, which Reform are, you need to have the courage of these convictions, you need to have a leader like Nigel Farage, and they know that we will form the next government. So yeah, this Ben guy, he can, you know, launch what he wants. Let him get on with it. It's white noise. Reform is

the party that is going to lead this government. Sarah, I haven't met you, but I like you a lot. And I respect your background as a magistrate. But that was revolting arrogance. Because Ben Habib was the deputy leader of your party when you were a member of the conservatives. Okay? He was keeping it going. He was keeping the movement going for years when Nigel Farage was off the pitch making all his money at GB News. And I have to say it's this type of disdainful, total disrespect to many heroes of the right mean movement in the UK, many heroes within the Reform UK movement which is creating this massive split on the right.

Of course many of us have not forgotten and will not forget that Reform's then chairman, Zia Youssef, tried to finish Rupert Lowe off altogether by reporting him to the police on completely false allegations. He certainly hasn't, by the way, hasn't Rupert Lowe, because when Youssef posted on X yesterday we need a much higher threshold for incitement to violence, Rupert replied, didn't Zia call the police on a 67 year old colleague with false allegations? He's blocked me, so if somebody could ask him on my behalf, that would be just fantastic. But I guess the point that I'm making, and please stick with me on this, is that the split in the right is not all down to Habib and Lowe. Indeed, that contention is completely untrue given the behavior of reform.

Now look, both men were here and outspoken last night. I wanted them to lay out their case direct to you. And I believe they both showed humility and decency. And the fact that Farage thinks that I'm insignificant, infers that he isn't and he sees himself as being hugely significant. And many people would say, well, of course he hasn't made a significant impact, but that doesn't mean you buy your you drink your own Kool-Aid. But that doesn't mean you buy your you drink your own Kool-Aid.

And that's where Farage goes wrong. But I'm not motivated at all by any bitterness. I'm motivated by the fact that Farage simply is incapable of saving this country. He doesn't he's not done. He can't define the democratic unit that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland when it comes to free speech. He's shutting it down. He wants to chuck people out of the party because of what they said a few years ago on Twitter.

Yes, he does. I didn't have an ambition to become the leader of reform. I was doing my bit to promote what I thought was a path to a better way of government with Nigel, but for some reason they chose to politically assassinate me. So I think people can see what I've been doing in a year in Parliament. I'm not the best thing since sliced bread, but all I do is stand up in Parliament and speak the truth. And I think people can see that. I'm not in this for money.

I give my parliamentary salary to charity. I'm in this to change the way we're governed. Two big announcements today on these new movements with Susan Hall, the leading conservative in London, the woman who fought Sadiq Khan at the last mayoral election, joining Restore Britain's board and Howard Cox was here tomorrow on Outspoken Backing Advance UK. But look, I hear you, I understand there are lots of you out there in the Outspoken audience who are despairing

today that the right seems completely divided, with egos being put before what's best for the country. Certainly that is the point of Katie Hopkins, a woman who I respect a lot, who has often put her own ego to one side to back Reform UK despite being completely, personally rejected by the party. Watch what she's had to say today. you want to vote reform that would be Nigel Farage and reforms you could vote that if you want to vote Lawrence Fox that's reclaimed so reclaimed with Lawrence if you want to restore things so that's different to reform or reclaimed but if you're going to restore stuff that'll be with Rupert Lowe I mean it might be that you want more of a traditional Britain and there is a party for that or maybe you want the Homeland Party which is kind of about British

nationalism you can vote for that or if you want UKIP which used to be headed by Faraj but now is not headed by Faraj but it's still UKIP but a lot of UKIP went to the Brexit party but anyway UKIP still exists so there's always the opportunity for that and then Ben Habib has got um advance so if you want to advance stuff but you're not trying to restore or reclaim it or reform it, then you can go with Ben Habib. And then I'm sure there's some other blokes out there who want to start their own party as well. And I can update you with them once they've decided what they'll call their party. The number of re names is sort of dying out a little bit for our side because you can't really call it renew or renewables because of course, that has sort of green energy overtones and our side don't really go for that but but that's sort of where

we're at at the moment and that's all brilliant and really sensible and a smart strategic way to move forwards. Excellent. True Katie Hopkins brilliance there and look I get what she's saying I totally get what she's saying of course it would be so much better if all of these brilliant figures who we all respect were under one big tent. But my position on this whole situation is nuanced. We're four years before an election. I just want you to think about this for one second, of course I'm not wishing for it to happen. I think he's a good guy. But if Nigel Farage dropped dead tomorrow, all of a sudden lots of you would be saying Rupert Lowe must be the next Prime Minister. Think about that

for a moment. And a political movement within our Westminster system just cannot be based around one man. Besides, I find it appalling that people are being told to sit down and shut up and stay out of politics altogether simply because they have been rejected, often unfairly, by Reform UK. Is that what Sarah Poachin or Richard Tice would do if they receive the hair dryer treatment from Farage if they fell out with Farage and if they were gone tomorrow. Is that what you do Richard? Is that what you do Sarah? That's me done. I'm giving up on the country. And by the way, that's before you even get to reforms total rejection and growing rejection of Tommy Robinson's Uniting the Kingdom cultural army. If you are part of that cultural army, and we know millions are, just remember if you admit that publicly, you are not wanted in Reform UK. Again, let that sink in for one moment. I'm not saying this as someone critical

or hateful of Reform UK. I think it's fair to say I'm critical. I'm a critical friend, but I'm certainly not hateful towards them. I voted for Reform UK at the last election as I constantly point out. I was the first commentator in the UK to predict that Nigel Farage would be Prime Minister in 2029. But then there's the big question in the room that lots of Reform UK supporters don't want to tackle at all. Does your leader, Nigel Farage, actually even want to be Prime Minister? Now this is a notion being put forward by establishment favourite Fraser Nelson who made a Channel 4 documentary about Farage recently. Watch.

Well the most interesting question you can ask Nigel Farage if you get the chance is, do you want the job? Do you wish it was you in number 10? Do you want to sort out the health service? And all of these other tasks which are so big and complicated that everybody else has failed. He'll never give a straight answer. Because I think he's actually not quite good at persuading himself yet, but he would like to spend four or five years in number 10, fighting with the civil service, pulling a lever, then finding out he's not attached to anything. I mean, that's the usual problem. Politicians make promises because they overstate how effective the state is. When you get in there, the buttons don't work. And so you've promised you're going to do X, Y and Z when you told us, sorry minister, we can do that. But you

don't actually admit, sorry guys, the state doesn't work. You've got to go and pretend otherwise. So he realizes that the dysfunctionality of government will afflict no matter who goes in there. You get the four best prime ministers we ever had, bring them back, put them there, and they will struggle to turn around the NHS. And they will come up against the same laws that stop you sorting out the border control, etc. So I think that right now he's a bit of a bluffer at the auction. I think that he's winning and he's scared that he might. I don't think any of us probably...

Now, during it, I was saying to him, look, MZ used to have been on the radio saying, you're going to track down and expel every single legal immigrant 1.2 million No country in the world has ever come close to doing that. So how can you make that pledge? Yeah I've already said oh well, I'm not quite sure I would say it was a promise It's more of an aspiration a bit like a the no pay no tax into 20 grand That's an aspiration right and the same time. Hang on a minute There's a big difference between a promise and an aspiration. And I said to him, hang on a minute, there's a big difference between a promise and an aspiration. And voters are sick, surely, of being given a promise by politicians only to be told it was only an aspiration, you're sounding like all the rest

of them. So he says, Fraser, in politics, all promises are aspirational. So just hear me out on this, okay? We don't all need to be party political. I am not party political. I want there to be a movement that saves the United Kingdom, very similar to the Tea Party movement which turned into the MAGA movement in the United States. Without the Tea Party, there'd probably be no Donald Trump in the White House today. And so I think that it is highly possible and highly necessary actually for these movements to develop. Is it going to be Advance UK? Is it going to be the Great British Pact?

Is it going to be Restore Britain? Let's see. But if we're powerful enough together, and if we're united in this movement, then maybe that movement ends up taking over a political party because we simply cannot be ignored. Nigel Farage was back on much more comfortable ground today, launching a war of words with the Albanian PM after small boat numbers hit just disgusting record levels. Watch. You can't make this up. One in 50 Albanians in Britain is in prison. And I talked about

this the other day on GB News. Well, Eddie Rama, the giant of a man who was the PM of Albania, has hit back and said said I'm talking utter nonsense, my figures are all wrong. He also said how dare we as a country think about sending people abroad who failed their asylum claims. Well he himself is doing a deal with Italy to take some of their failed asylum seekers and what hypocrisy from this pro-European union, anti-Brexit PM. Well, I tell you what, Eddie, if you're a good man, why don't you take all our prisoners? Now, he said, if my figures were right, he would take every Albanian in prison back to their country. We've checked and double-checked our figures. We are right.

But Eddie says, no, you're wrong, because there are thousands of illegal immigrants from Albania and Britain. Well, that means the number of criminals here isn't one in 50. Maybe it's one in three. Maybe it's one in four. I don't know. Either way, the row goes on with the Albanian PM. I've just been on their state television this afternoon, but he has invited me to go to Albania to talk about it. So do you know what? I'm going to accept the lunch and I'll report back afterwards. And this is when Faraj is great right? This is when Faraj can change the Overton window, can shift it, can move it. That's really fun too and I support it. Of course I support it. But the issue is that Nigel has been silent on the growing purge within Reform UK of some

of its most loyal supporters, and it is that which has resulted in this current war on the right. Now the Superstar Panel. Delighted to have two of my favorites back today. Richard Taylor, who has just announced, is a senior part of Ben Habeed's new political party, Advance UK, and the brilliant Jasmine Bertels behind the Money Magpie YouTube page which I appeared on very recently and I recommend you all subscribe to. So Jasmine, given you're not a member as far as I'm aware of any political party and you're seeing this split on the right, where do you stand? Well I'm rather like you, I mean like, I voted for all sorts. I have voted for

reform. I voted for all sorts of other parties. I am concerned about the split. But to be honest, I'm not surprised. It's the sort of thing that the right does. Frankly, the left does as well. You know, there's clearly all sorts of different parties on the left. So it's kind of human beings doing what human beings do. However, my feeling about reform is I have been concerned over the last few months and partly because of you because of your program, Dan, you know, you've had some ex reform people who've pointed some systemic problems with the party. And I am concerned that there doesn't seem to be a proper structure. It does seem to be a culture personality rather than something that is

democratically structured, properly run. And I do like the idea that Advance has of setting up a kind of a college of people who would advise MPs and setting up a proper structure. So you never know. We might get a point where reform goes great guns, it gets in, it does what Labour's done, sweeps the board and then it all falls apart a bit. So then you have something like advance maybe that has a structure that goes into the void. I don't know. You can never know. But that was something that was in the back of my head. So Richie Telly, you have gone all in on Advance UK. I believe you're a member of this college that Jasmine is talking about.

And previously, you had decided to withdraw support of Reform UK because you had been targeted as someone who had spoken up for Tommy Robinson. That's right, Dan. I mean, first of all, I'd like to say Nigel Farage is a very smooth operator when it comes to politics. We know he's a great orator. He's wonderful at getting the crowds in. And you know, what I've noticed over recent years,

and my resignation from the Reform Party wasn't around anything personal. It was around the constitutional changes that were being made and the lack of, not support for Tommy Robertson, but actually throw in people like Tommy Robertson under the bus. Yet Farage has come out as a free speech champion, but yet he has come

out and thrown him under the bus. And so has Richard Tice, by the way, calling us lot, you know, who attended some of the rallies that were very peaceful and exposing the grooming gangs, which you covered very well on Outspoken done many, many times. And it got me thinking, really, do I want to belong to a party? And let's not forget, I stood for this party in two elections, both elections and in the general election. Yes, you were all in, Richard. I was indeed. Absolutely. And Nigel came to my constituency when I was then in Blighn, I went for two visits. We did very well. We beat everybody apart from Labour, because obviously Wales, you put a red rosette on a donkey and they'll vote for anything Labour down in Wales.

Will though not at the next election. I mean so you could have been heading to the Senate probably. I could have been, I know I was thinking to myself maybe I should have stated them but listen I'm a man of principle, I believe in doing what is right and I think what I've, my conversations that I've had with Ben Habib in private and Rupert Lowe actually, have led me to a place where I feel that reform and not all they make out to be. Now, I agree with a lot of their policies. I have lots of friends within reform. No doubt I'll lose a few over this,

but I feel that the political landscape needs an alternative to reform. They can't be the only party. You know, and we're four years away from the next general election. A lot can happen in four years. There can be scandals, or you can mention something could happen,

or God willing not, to Nigel himself. So there are real questions around the stability, the structure of reform, and how they've treated their members. And that includes people like Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib. And let's not forget, he was the deputy leader of the party when Nigel Farage wasn't even on the playing field. So he kept the party together, along with Richard Tice at the time, and yet they threw him under the bus.

Now, some have said, you know, he's been a bit bitter over this. I can assure you he's not, right? He would hug and kiss Najib Faraj, I'm sure, a million times. But he believes in having a sovereign, independent nation once again. And he does not believe that the changes that reform party have made to their constitution

allow that to happen because Faraj still has the majority of shares, which means the members cannot remove him and that is crucial in any democratic party. Yes, it is. Jasmine, can you just talk a little bit about some of this mean girl type behaviour? I mean, as I say, I've been pretty impressed with Sarah Pochon. But last night on GB News, that just struck me as totally the wrong tone. Like Sarah, what she should have said, and Sarah, I'd say this to your face, what you should have said, Sarah, was, look, I've never met Ben Habib, but I fully respect the fact that he was the deputy leader of this party at

a time when some of us were not even there as members. He fought for Brexit. He was a Brexit party MEP, which is something that we all support. He was a strong businessman. He is a strong advocate for lots of positions. Sure, we've reached a disagreement about which party political path to go down, but I wish him all the best of luck. That would have been a dignified response. Instead, what we got was this mean girl arrogance. Oh, I've even I've never even met the guy who's Ben Habib and it's just awful. Yes, I agree. And what I've thought for a while is that as you say, we need more dignity,

we need more grace in politics. Across the board, we need more grace, we need more proper humanity. And as you say, that was mean girl behavior. And Farage has done the same, calling, is it called her be boring? And, you know, and, and Rupert Lowe irrelevant. You know, this is not gracious. This is not the sort of behavior that you expect from a leader or potential leader. And I would like all politicians to realize this. Politicians used to realize it and they used to, not always by any means, but they used to at least have a veneer of respectability. It would be nice to have it real. And I think that the whole party is harmed by this lack of grace in their communications and they need to change tack very quickly.

And stop throwing people under the bus, Okay. Stop throwing people under the bus because it could be you next. That's the point. It could be you. And I know some people will be critical of me for even having these conversations, but I don't believe that, you know, well, let me tell you what I do believe. I believe that daylight is the best disinfectant. And I also challenge anyone to find any point on this show where I have been disrespectful of Nigel Farage or Lee Anderson or Richard Tice. I'm not at all.

I respect what they do. The only person who I have been personally disrespectful of is the horrendous Zia Youssef because he publicly accused me of lying when I was only reporting the facts to you. So let's just be calm. Let's stick together. And I like the Katie Hopkins approach on this. I think she is right to say at the moment, there are a lot of egos and at some point, we've got to put our egos to one side. And certainly, let me just be clear to you,

I have no skin in this game. I've said time and again, a lot of commentators who pretend to be independent to you, actually have a secret hankering to become a reform UK MP or a form UK cabinet minister and again That's great. Like that's great. But just be honest about it Just be honest that you are part of a party political machine And if you want to then follow that person because they're part of a party political machine I respect that but that's not what I do here I'm an independent journalist and I will be fair to all sides on the right. Breaking today growing calls amongst people who I respect and are nuanced calls for Femi Olawali, Britain's most famous Brexit virgin, to be arrested

after he purposefully multiple times repeated the statements made on stage by Bob Villan. Why I say this is nuanced is because of course the likes of myself and Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson are very close to free speech absolutists, but our point of view is that when Lucy Connolly is rossing away behind bars in jail for a tweet, when Julie Sweeney is rossing away behind bars in jail for a Facebook post likewise Wayne O'Rourke. Just think about whether we really are an honest and fair society. Katie Hopkins quote tweeted Femi Olawali, just look at what Femi had said, his t-shirt must be getting tighter, if most Brits oppose the genocidal actions of a foreign military force,

then that force is literally an enemy army to the British people, so I concur with those in Glastonbury death to the IDF. Katie, she's been very clever here, very clear. Dear Femi, please may you confirm this is your tweet? Hashtag Lucy Connolly. Now Tommy's point on this, and again it's one that I have made on this show and I think he's absolutely right to go down this path. What would have happened if I said anything even remotely similar?

Would I have got a gig at Glastonbury or a prison sentence? And we all know. Everyone watching this knows if someone had said what went on at Glastonbury on stage at a Tommy Robinson rally, they would be in jail within 24 hours. Indeed they probably would have even been dragged off that stage and that's why there is outrage. And of course I stress again there has to be nuance, especially for those of us like me who are free speech absolutists. But some people aren't holding back on this, UKIP and Nick Tancone are going for it. Bob Villains going home. With this graphic UKIP pledges to deport Bob Villain. Anti-white racists do not belong in Britain.

We are taking our country back. And today I really wanted to focus on the fact that the mainstream media have decided to overlook one critical part of Bob Villains' set. Sure, what he said about the IDF and about Israelis and Jewish people was terribly anti-Semitic. But actually, wasn't it just as bad what he said about us? What he said about English people? What he said about white people? Because personally I was just as offended by this part of his set. So I want you to watch this, then we'll get analysis from my superstar panel, Jasmine Bertels and Richard Taylor. We We know what he is saying and that was broadcast live on the British Bashing Corporation. And Bob Villan hasn't been hiding this.

I mean some of his old posts are going viral. He previously wrote, some people haven't been listening to the concerns and fears of black and brown people over the years and it shows Too often we have to be maimed or die to be heard and no it didn't start with Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson or GB News It's in the fabric of this country Alison Pearson replied very happy to see this piece of shit will now be on the receiving end of the fabric of this country he clearly despises. Now Bob Villain has spoken out today standing by his comments we'll go into that in just one moment

but first Jasmine and Richard with me. Richard I understand why there has been so much horror and shock and condemnation of the anti-Semitism of what Bob Villain did on stage. But this is a man who actually hates every white person in the United Kingdom. This is an anti-white racist. And the fact that the BBC ran with that seems to have been forgotten about. Yeah, certainly, Dan. I call it Glastonbury, because, you know, the price of a ticket to begin with, and I remember Glastonbury, I'm old enough, I'm 50, so I remember Glastonbury in the 90s.

Very different place back then. God, I would have been amazing back then, Rich. Yeah, I won't go into too much detail. Suffice to say, there were a lot better times than they are now. And, you know, it's turned into a political fest. You remember Jeremy Corbyn appearing a few years ago. And of course, these political statements should be kept out of our music festivals. People go there to listen to music.

And it was great to see Rod Stewart singing. Many of the old legends there as well. But some of the comments made by him proved to us that we do live in a two tiered justice system when you consider what's happened to people like Lucy Connolly. And sadly what happened to Peter Lynch over posts on social media.

Yet he's allowed to call the death of a certain group, the IDF in this case, and the anti-white kind of rhetoric that he used. I mean, it's okay to be racist against white people, but not the other way. And I find that disproportionate and completely wrong. I'm a great believer in freedom of speech. People have the right to say,

he can offend me as much as they want, but there is a line, isn't there? You have one rule for one and one rule for the other. On your screen now, Peter Lynch, there, 61, sadly took his own life in a prison cell because he was put into prison for something he said on social media. And there are people that should be held to account for this.

And what this gentleman has done, when I say gentleman, what this man has done, he has stirred up the racial hatred in the country that we already know exists in our country. And of course, it's caused a huge divide. And I could say a lot more about Clastonbury, given the fact that they left a huge mess, a pile of crap behind and they claim to be, you know, green net zero lovers.

And yet the disgrace and the disgust they left on the fields and the waste and the tents was unbelievable. Yes. But I think it probably pales into insignificance compared to the divide that they have left to our country, Jasmine. But do you agree with this point that actually what he was saying about English folk is actually just as bad as his comments about Israelis? I think it is. Now feel free to scream conspiracy theorists at me. That's perfectly all right

if you want to. You know I don't believe in conspiracy theorists because conspiracy theorists Jasmine are always right so okay what are you going to put out there that will come true in like a year or two well exactly well what I was thinking when I was what I'm particularly listening to what you've just been saying I just a couple of days ago, I watched part of a documentary about how the CIA had been behind a whole load of rappers in various different countries who had been building up and just creating a whole load of divisions to bring down that government to bring down that society. society. Now, I'm not sure that Bob Villain's performance is clever enough to be described as rap, to be honest, it doesn't sound like proper rap to me, I don't know what it is, honestly. But it seems to be doing the same thing. So I, I

would not be at all surprised if there's some big money behind him, some, you know, I'm not necessarily CIA. No, no, no, I think you are onto something. I really do. Who is backing this guy? Where has he come from out of nowhere? And why is Gary Lineker liking his posts on Instagram? For example, why is Sadiq Khan following him on X?

He is absolutely the chosen one who is putting forward this divisive message. And the problem is it just got a little bit too hot for Glastonbury and the BBC to handle, so they back away. But up until that point, they were loving this. They were absolutely embracing it. Now, Bob Villain has gone public today, hit back, saying on Instagram, not the first, not the last, today a good many people would have you believe a punk band is the number one threat to world peace. Last week it was a Palestine

pressure group, the week before that it was another band. We are not for the death of Jews, Arabs or any other race or gr- I mean, sorry, you literally were calling on the death of Jews, you absolute fool. But anyway, he goes on, we are for the dismantling of a violent military machine, a machine whose soldiers are told to un- you know, it's just propaganda. He is just pushing the propaganda. In fact, I don't want to read any more of it because in reality, he lied. Look at what Owen Jones, you know, a mainstream figure ludicrously in British politics who is regularly in the MSM, Guardian columnist replied, brilliant statement, but Bob Villain has actually opened up a really important

debate here, which has been completely missing. No, Owen Jones. Piss off. This is not the way calling for the death of Jews is not the way you open up any form of debate. And of course, I totally understand the outrage from the Jewish community, which a lot is rightly being targeted now at the BBC, the British Bashing Corporation. Here's the chief rabbi, Sir Ephraim Mervis, who posted on X, this is a time of national shame. The airing of vile Jew hatred at Glastonbury and the BBC's belated and mishandled response brings confidence in our national broadcasters' ability to treat anti-Semitism seriously to a new low. It should trouble all decent people that, now, one need not only couch their outright incitement to violence and hatred as edgy political commentary, for ordinary people

to not only fail to see it for what it is, but also to share it, chant it and celebrate it. Toxic Jew hatred is a threat to our society. And I wanted to read you just a little bit of Jake Wallace Simons in the Daily Telegraph today, who has said that Tim Davey, the director general, must surely fall on his sword. Now, if he can stay after personally witnessing the death chance and doing little, then nothing has consequences. And he wrote to the BBC from the Cliff Richard scandal of 2014 to the revelations about anti-showcasting Hamas propaganda more than a decade later. Whenever it's journalism is under the spotlight, the Beeb only has one playbook. First ignore, then deny, then defend, then ignore some more. Finally, when there

is truly nothing else to be done, squeeze out an apology in an equivocal and mealy-mouthed manner and hope everyone forgets about it. And Jasmine Bertels, he's completely right, isn't he? This is the BBC playbook. Like, how is there a director general at the BBC who allowed a paedophile to announce the death of the late Queen Elizabeth II? Like, how on God's earth do we think this is normal? And I have seen you polling today, Jasmine, showing that half of Brits no longer trust the BBC.

That number is only going to increase. Finally, I am glad that people are catching up to what I've been saying for a very long time, which is that the BBC shames Britain. Let's stop pretending this is an organisation that we should be proud of. Yes. Well, I mean, as you know, I've worked for the BBC off and on for my entire career, used to be so proud of it. You know, such a good brand, such a good name to have on your CV. You just, you know, open stores. Now, it's an embarrassment. It really is. And I felt this particularly during Covid.

In Covid, the BBC was the worst. I mean, ITV was shocking, Channel 4 was shocking, and of course, NBC, CNN, blah, blah. But BBC has such a great name that people think, oh, the BBC has said it, it must be true. The BBC refused to speak to anybody who had ideas against the establishment when it came to COVID. And they are refusing now to have take any seriousness of anybody who speaks against the Net Zero agenda. It's just, it's not a journalism anymore. I mean, you're talking about your journalism,

independent journalism, theirs is not. And therefore, certainly from a news point of view, it has no relevance anymore. It's no position I consider. No, and what's really interesting, Jasmine, is you're not the only person who has previously worked for the BBC who now feels deep shame about this organization.

Danny Cohen could not have been more senior, right? And I don't agree with this dude on much. Like, he's a lefty, he's an establishment figure, but he is disgusted by what has happened to the organization that he was running like literally just a few years ago. Watch this. During Bob Villancet were deeply offensive. They also say they put up a warning during the live stream about the very strong and discriminatory language. They're not going to replay it.

It's very difficult for the BBC, isn't it? You were a senior manager there. Pulling a live broadcast is a difficult thing to do and it is quite a complicated thing. It's not. It's a complicated business though, isn't it? Because you need to know where the line is drawn and clearly many agree that the line was drawn here but you can't vet every performer, you can't anticipate what the live performer is going to say.

If I said something on television now talking to you which was racist I have no doubt that rightly I would be a fan in two seconds maybe one second someone sensible smart rational in your gallery would press a button that might be off there you know as well as I do that's very very simple thing to do as soon as those chants started as soon as the story started being told disgusting story about Zionists there's not it's not difficult thing to do. You know that, I know that. Anyone who's worked in television knows

you could cut a feed in seconds. And they chose not to. Someone in that gallery, someone representing the BBC, chose to keep that feed going, chose to keep that live broadcast going rather than breaking away and immediately apologizing. What was it wrong to tell that? And Richard Teller, it's actually worse than that.

The director general of the BBC, Tim Davey, was at Glastonbury, no doubt paid for by us. You know, the BBC sent about 400 staff members there. They're all getting pissed up on our dime, having some big party. And he was asked directly about this and he made the call. And what I find disgusting Richard is all of these dudes in the left-wing media, they all cover up for themselves. Do you remember when my whole thing was going on with Lawrence Fox and you know, the end of the world and Gordon Brown was saying this guy should never be able to broadcast again and it was leading all of the news bulletins? I watched the mainstream news channels last night. ITV put this well down its running order. The BBC itself decided to lead its bulletin on the fact that there's a bit of hot weather. I mean, they protect

each other. Yeah, it's interesting, Dan, you had sly news protecting by broadcasting cooperation, which you referred to them as. And I remember the cancellation you had for speaking of truth to power. And they do protect themselves, they ring fence themselves. And what was being said that is true, there's normally an eight second delay on a live feed from the engineering box. So they could have pulled it. And apparently we were told that a sign was put up on the screens to

acknowledge what had been said, it was, you know, potentially offensive. But the BBC are culpable here because they had the power to pull the plug. Not only that, Dan, let's not remember, there were many other artists playing on many other stages that they could have gone to when he started to make those comments. So the BBC are absolutely responsible for this because they're pushing an agenda. They're a propaganda arm for a certain belief and opinion and ideologies that they hold. And they went along with it and they are responsible for it. Now, this is why I've always believed we should defend the BBC because it's a waste of space, Dan. Absolutely. If you want to pay for this crap, then pay for it. But

forcing us to pay for it because we want to watch a bit of Netflix is an absolute joke. There were some other nutters though, cashing in on this whole Glastonbury thing. I think sometimes we just have to laugh, right? We just have to laugh. Firstly, this was the British singer and songwriter Nadine Shah at Glastonbury. We deplore the government's decision to prescribe it, labeling non-violent direct action as terrorism is an abuse of language and an attack on democracy. The real threat to the life of the nation comes not from Palestine action but from the Home Secretary's efforts to ban it. We call on the government to withdraw its prescription of Palestine action and to stop arming Israel. Shut up and sing. Shut up and sing. That's what people have paid for. Not for you to read some type of script like you're speaking at the student union.

Okay? And I think the worst of Brits is really coming out with all of this because no one is more disgusting in the United Kingdom. No one is more focused on promoting disharmony, creating racial hatred than Dr. Scholar. And I always think she's a really good litmus test, right? Like if Dr. Scholar is jumping on the back of something, then there's lots of reason for you to think, okay, no, we're on the right side of the argument here and nothing, nothing sums that up more when it came to Glastonbury than this. Palestine! Free! Free! Palestine! Free! Free! Palestine! Alright, but have you heard this one though? Death! Death to the IDF!

Death! Death to the IDF! Death! Death to the IDF! Death! Death to the IDF! Death! Death to the IDF! Death! Death to the IDF! Come again! Hell yeah, from the river to the sea Palestine will be free!

Inshallah by the grace of God! inshallah by the grace of God. So Richard Taylor, that absolute crit and that woman who for so long has been given a platform by the mainstream media in this country, by the left in the country, dancing along there, celebrating the death of Israelis, of Jewish people. Like, can we finally all just agree that we're on the right side of the argument and people like her are scum? A death promoting scum? Yeah, well, she promotes a death cult in my opinion. She always has and she's the biggest race bait that I've ever seen and everything she ever says is that. I mean the Palestinian Action Group not only prescribing prescribed a terrorist organization,

they back Hamas, Hezbollah, you know all these things they want the destruction of Israel, the Jews, and you've got people like her who have given a platform by mainstream media to spout this crap out and you know people have done what the good part about this is they're exposing themselves for what they really are. You know, they are what they accuse us of. We're not the racist ones. We're not the ones who believe, you know, we believe in equality and the law. We believe in what is right and fair. But these people are intent on causing so much harm by the words that they use because words are very, very powerful and they invoke things within the country. And that is why, Dan, we're going to see a lot of civil unrest, which I don't advocate on our streets, but it's going to happen because we have such people as her given such platforms to be able to spout this crap out causing these divisions.

Exactly. These haters, these absolute haters and wreckers have been put into the mainstream by a corrupt media, or people like me, people like you Richard Taylor, people like you Jasmine Bertels, have been painted as the extremists. Just get that through your head. And that's why of course the independent media, and I'm going on about it all the time, but why we have to support this independent media revolution because it is the only hope that we've got actually to start getting the truth out there. Developing today, whom's a useless? useless. The failed Scottish First Minister, who has now turned into a race-baiting social media moron, could be facing the lawsuit of his life after decrying Elon Musk, the ex and Tesla mogul, as a white supremacist.

Abbasel the Great posted on this on X, Whomza Youssef is upset that Tommy Robinson described Islam as a violent and fascist ideology. Was Tommy right though? Well look, we'll debate that shortly with Jasmine Bertels and Richard Taylor but first I've got to show you what Hums are useless said because I find it so shocking that someone who reached the heights of politics in a 94% white country as a Muslim Asian man has now decided to lean in so hard, so hard on the race-baiting leftist pro-Islam ideology watch. Mmm, my favorite, my best friend. Do you indirectly actually like him, deep down? No, not deep down or not on the surface. I don't

actually, no I don't because look, I've often, it's often been said about money and you can speak about this more than I could, but people that when they become wealthy, does it change a person? And people will often say, well actually, it probably just amplifies who they really were. So if they were a kind person, they'll be even more kind. If they're a nasty person, they'll be even more nasty and they'll use their money in that way. I think my suspicion is that Elon Musk has always been supportive of white supremacy.

And because he's now got almost infinite amount of money that simply is amplified and he's undoubtedly a supporter of white supremacy he supports openly white supremacists and those in the far right be they in the United States be they in the United Kingdom be they in the European continent and he's used his wealth to buy huge amounts of influence including unfettered access to the President of the United States. He tries to somewhere. Not anymore, right?

Well, I think he probably still has significant access, even though, you know, he's pissed Trump off through various kind of tweets. But he probably, I suspect, can be very, still very influential in the White House. And they'll probably make up some way, shape or form, because they probably both need each other. Now that is disgusting. It is dangerous language. You know I'm a free speech absolutist, so I much rather put it out there and let us discuss it. But this guy, this former First Minister of Scotland is clearly angling for a race war. There's just no other way of looking at it. Because to describe Elon Musk as a white supremacist, to invoke the language of Nazism, just shows you how intellectually dishonest he really is. But Holmes Eustace wasn't finished there.

Um, he supports far-right movements across Europe, supports people like Tommy Robinson. Remember Tommy Robinson is somebody who calls Islam a violent and fascist ideology. So he's, I think, one of the most dangerous men in the world if not the most dangerous man in the world because he's unaccountable, he's unelected and he uses his vast billions to support hatred and the spreading of hatred right across the world. He is smart though right? Well look I don't doubt he's smart but there can often be a fine line between genius and being mad and being genius but it's not just about the fact he's smart there's no doubt he's smart and by the way he's made some considerable achievements over the course of his career I don't I don't doubt that the question isn't his IQ the

question is is he using his wealth in a way that is to the betterment of humanity and society? Or actually is he determined to create divisions, create, ferment hatred? And what's the ideology that's driving the man? To my superstar panel, Richard Taylor and Jasmine Bertels, Richard, there is one person who is driving division. and it's that guy. And what he is trying to do is so disturbing. And the fact that he is so upset about Tommy Robinson describing Islam as a violent and fascist ideology, well actually, you've got questions to answer, mate, about your ideology.

Actually, you really, really do. Absolutely. And let's not remember, if it wasn't for Elon Musk, he fought for the freedom of speech. You remember when Twitter, as it was formerly known, was censored so heavily. And not only that, even during the elections, let me just remind yourself that it was him that helped President Trump get elected during his campaign. And they had more black votes than ever. I mean, so, you know, this idea that Musk is somehow, you know, white supremacist is absolutely a lot of bollocks because the guy has fought for the freedom of speech, not just in his own country in the United States, but he's done it here in the United Kingdom. In fact, he sent a delegation over here under Trump to fight back against people like Lucy Connolly and

freedom of speech and things of that nature, because Musk is all for freedom of speech. And you know, Dan, he's restored so many accounts that were cancelled for speaking truth to power. So the idea to call him a white supremacist, he is the one that's causing the division. He is the one that's a racist, not people like Musk or people like ourselves. I mean, Dan, you know that Elon Musk has worked really hard and spent countless amounts of money on people who believe in freedom. He's doing it now with Ben Abib. He's doing it now with Rupert Lowe. He was doing it with Farage during the election because these were people that were speaking up for the freedom

of speech in this country. So now if you are a freedom speech advocate, all of a sudden now you're a white supremacist and a racist or you're far right. Strange isn't it? It's astonishing exactly. I mean, Elon Musk was certainly for a very long time on the left of politics. But Jasmine Bertels, I mean, you can look at this in two ways. You can firstly say, OK, because of fools like whom's are useless, who actually are the racist, you remember his white, white, white, white, white speech, you know, when he's absolutely decrying the fact that a 94% white country in Scotland has a whole lot of white people working for it, have

belittled and demeaned the term to such an extent that we just have to embrace it now. Like, I mean, in the past, it would be absolutely devastating for someone to call you racist, but now it's just thrown around all the time. So do you even care? The other argument is Musk, please sue him. Please sue the guy into oblivion because I would love to see Humza Useless try and prove that Elon Musk is a white supremacist. I know, it's a joke isn't it? But I get the feeling with Humza Useless, because he is useless, but that he, all he has now is the victim mentality type thing. You know, there's a lot of this about, I'm a victim or anybody who's brown or black is a victim.

Anybody who's LGBTQ is a victim. Everybody wants to be a victim. If they haven't got anything and any positive oomph, they haven't got anything positive to say about themselves or do, they'll go with this just attacking everybody who does have something about them. And that's what comes across in this conversation. He has nothing positive, nothing really helpful to say. All he's got is poking at someone else. And this whole sort of fascist Hitler

thing, I mean, this is what the left in America is constantly saying about Trump. Oh, he's a Hitler. I mean, it's, I think, you know, if I were German, or if I were Jewish, I would be really upset by these terms being bandied about, about anybody who happens to say something like, oh, you know, people who earn their own money should be allowed to keep it, that sort of thing, you know. So those are those are the two things that come out of his speech to me. Indeed. And you know what's so interesting about this too, is that Homsi Yusuf is one of these dudes in such a difficult position because he tries to be Mr. Progressive and then his religion comes into this. And what does Islam hate? Well, hates me, right? Hates, hates

gay men, okay? Absolutely hates them. And what's fascinating is that in this interview, clearly with another dude who signs up to his ideology, but I haven't looked into the guy, so I probably shouldn't say that. But it's pretty clear that he's what he's trying to do shouldn't say that, but it's pretty clear that he's what he's trying to do is get whom's useless to admit to his homophobia. And who's useless won't do that. So he gets really agitated, actually really angry and just tries to shut the questioning down all together. It's a really fascinating exchange. Watch. Do a personal view on the whole LGBT... I'm done with the questions. You've kind of questioned me on it. We'll move on to the next one because you've already asked me the questions. You've pushed me on the issue. I'm telling you that I'm not answerable to you or anybody else.

People know where I exist. I'm not allowed to ask that question. No, you can ask the question. I'm just not going to give you the answer because I've already answered your questions about everything else on this issue. You've asked about it, my, what I've said is there on a matter of public record, my voting record is there on a matter of public record, my speaking record on this is on a public record. If you want to just make this entire interview which we've got, you know, limited time on one issue. No, no, I've got a few more questions.

Let's get on to the few more questions because I think it's much better to get on to the few more questions. No, just your, your, your five or six questions and obsession on one point. And this is the problem with our communities that sometimes there's a bit of a Jasmine isn't that so illuminating, right? So he's more than happy, more than happy to speak about Elon Musk and call Elon Musk a white supremacist. But when he's actually asked you hate the gays, don't you? Let's be honest. And it would have been exactly the same response, Jasmine, if it was about women's rights, for example, when it comes

to Islam. No, no, no, let's just not go there. Let's just not go there. Because this is the problem. They have an ideology, which they're not prepared to be honest about, because it doesn't fit the progressive view of the world that they try and put out there. Yes, he's kind of like the opposite, the mirror image of the LGBTQ, pro-Palestine people, you know, who are- Oh yeah, queers for Palestine, it's like turkeys asking for Christmas, it's like chickens asking for KFC. It is very funny to see them again twisting themselves around.

And this is what happens if you're not honest, if you're not straight with about what you believe and what you think, and you're just constantly, you've got your one eye on the politics and will I be voted back in if I say he's, he's not going to be able to keep this position, he's going to have to go one or the other way really, because it's going to pull him apart. But it's entertaining to watch while it happens. Oh, it is entertaining to watch. But this is the irony. This is the irony with all of these absolute cretins on the hard left Bob Villain. I put in the same category as well.

It's like actually do you understand that the ideology that you are so keen to promote is the least progressive in the world? It hates women. It hates gay men. It hates lesbian people. And you can just see that when he's finally exposed, when Hums of Youth is finally exposed, It hates women. It hates gay men. It hates lesbian people. And you can just see that when he's finally exposed, when Hums of Use is finally exposed, he doesn't want to go there. More than happy, more than happy to call Musk a white supremacist, not prepared to admit that he hates gay men.

Okay. In just one minute, Nadia Hussein, do you remember her? She won the Bake Off and she is now saying that immigrants to the United Kingdom don't have to be grateful, shouldn't have to express their gratitude all the time. Is that the right approach? We will debate it in just one minute. But first, did you know that low libido is often a sign that your body is out of balance, and poor sleep and chronic stress are two of the biggest culprits? When you're under slept, your levels of testosterone, estrogen and dopamine all drop, crushing your mood, energy and sex drive. An elevated cortisol to the mix, the stress hormone that spikes when you're burned out, and your body goes into survival mode.

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this wasn't the country of their birth. Now indeed I would argue we've seen quite the opposite lately with very high profile immigrant like or daughters of immigrants like Yasmin Alavaya Brown and Narenda Kerr constantly expressing a lack of gratitude for the United Kingdom. But that's not the argument that Nadia Hussein put. She believes it's time for immigrants to no longer constantly express their gratitude and their happiness about the fact that they ended up in the United Kingdom. We're going to debate this with my superstar panel, Jasmine Bertels and Richard Taylor in just one moment, but first I want you to look at these controversial and provocative comments from Nadia Hussein.

I've received tons of messages since talking about my situation with BBC. Messages from people telling me to be grateful for the opportunity and be thankful for how far I've come. Now, my whole life as a child in an immigrant household, I used to think I had to be grateful all the time because I watched my family always grateful, grateful for being let in, grateful for having work even if it underpaid, grateful for being let in, grateful for having work, even if it underpaid, grateful for safety, even if it meant silence, always grateful, grateful even when I feel tired, lonely or disrespected. At first, gratitude felt right because it was instilled in me from a young age, it's all I saw, but after a while, it starts to get really heavy. Gratitude

became something that I was expected to wear, like a uniform. Anytime I voiced frustration or sadness or wanted more, I could feel the invisible pressure, like how dare you complain? Aren't you lucky just to be here? But here's what I've come to understand. I'm allowed to feel more than just thankful. I am a human being and I'm allowed to feel angry when I'm treated unfairly. I'm allowed to want better for myself and for my family. I'm allowed to speak up. I'm allowed to exist.

I'm allowed to exist fully, complex, emotional, hopeful, sometimes critical, just like anyone else. So gratitude has its place, but it shouldn't be a muzzle. It shouldn't be a muzzle like a dog. We didn't come here just to survive. We came here to live, to grow, to contribute, to belong, not as a guest, but as a person who has rights and dreams and dignity just like everyone else. So no, I won't always be grateful and that doesn't make me ungrateful, it makes me human. That's what it does, it makes me human. So I've got here through hard work, through determination, through talent. So no, I won't be grateful. I got here through hard work, through determination, through talent. So no, I won't be grateful.

I got here because I'm good at what I do. So yeah, just something to think about. So Richa Taylor, it obviously depends what you're talking about, doesn't it? Because if you're talking about whether you're grateful to live in the United Kingdom, a country where your opportunities are far greater than virtually anywhere else in the world, at least when we did used to have a functioning society before mass immigration tore us apart at the seams, I would argue you should be grateful every single day. I really do. Now that's not to say that you can express ingratitude about terrible things that happen to you, but I think this is adding to a growing vibe shift,

which is like, no, no, no, we're not lucky to be here. You're lucky to have us. Well, being a Welshman, I feel a bit of an immigrant myself down when I visit London, right? But suffice to say, we should all be grateful that we live in such a wonderful, tolerant country. And we are a very tolerant country, given some of those things we've just talked about in some countries where gays get thrown up buildings for having their sexuality judged and everything else.

I can kind of get where she's coming from. I don't agree with what she's saying because she feels the need to be grateful for where she's coming from. I don't agree with what she's saying because she feels the need to be grateful for what she's being given. Now she's been very fortunate because she's had a wonderful career, a sterling career in her business, and she has done very well,

successfully financially as well. And there is a sense of sometimes with some people, a sense of entitlement, and I think for me as a UK, Welsh, British citizen, I'm grateful every day for the life that I live in this country, for our fallen heroes have given us the freedoms that we continue to fight for. So whether you're an immigrant or not, you've come and settled here and you've done it the correct way, the right way, you're contributing to our economy, you're not coming here, you know, to, you

know, basically come in here for the benefits and everything else and because we're a a better life, I can understand to a certain extent, but you should be grateful for the opportunities this country has given you. I am a citizen of this country. I'm not an immigrant, but I'm grateful every single day. My dad used to say to me, Richard's son, he's gone, no bless his heart. He said, always remember every day above ground is a good day and thank God for it. And I live my life on that premises. I'm grateful every single day. When I wake up in the morning, I thank God. I live in a country that is very tolerant towards people

and very compassionate. And the issue on immigration, it's not that we're an in compassionate country, it's about capacity, not compassion. We're very compassionate. We just don't have the capacity. So when people come here from other countries, make a sterling life for themselves, they should show gratitude. I certainly would. Yeah, I think that's a really nice way of putting it, actually. Because, I mean,

look, Jasmine, her family are from Bangladesh. She is still able in this country to wear her hijab. You know, that hasn't stopped her getting anywhere, which suggests that she is still able to have these cultural norms from her previous country. Now, there'd be lots of people, including me who now argue, well, that's not really assimilation. And actually it's, it's certainly never stopped her. So what did you make of what Nadia Hussein had to say? Yes. Or like Richard, I can kind of see where she's coming from. She makes a lot of good, very, very good points.

But what I was thinking at the time was her parents. Escaped from Bangladesh. That's what made them so grateful because they had something to compare it with. I think Nadia is fairly typical second, third generation immigrant who's been brought up here, had all the goodies,

had the freedom and the cleanliness and the excellent education. Well, what was once fairly good education. All sorts of goodies, and she's taken it for granted. Her parents didn't because they had something to compare it with. And she now comes across as something of an entitled celebrity. The sort of things that she's saying are the sort of things that you hear from California gurus, you know, I'm worth it, totally worth it. It's that kind of thing. thing. Don't tell me I'm not worth it because I totally am.

Totally. And actually, actually, it would be lovely for her to say, no, no, no, no, I wake up every single day and I'm grateful that I get to live in the United Kingdom. That would be great. But we've seen this change. We have seen this change. You know, Yasmin Alibiah Brown, who moved to the United Kingdom, went to Oxford or Cambridge, one of them, I can't remember which one, and had the most incredible life, married a white dude, constantly saying that we're a racist country. Likewise, Narenda Kerr. Oh, she'd much rather be back in India, she said. Well, that is a choice that is open to you, Narenda. And by the way, I just have to point out with my personal circumstances, because a lot of people often bring this up and say, well, that is a choice that is open to you, Narenda. And by the way, I just have to point out with my personal circumstances, because a lot of people often bring this up and say, damn, but you're an immigrant.

Well, I'm actually not, because while I was born in New Zealand, my parents were born in the United Kingdom and I had a British passport. So actually I am not an immigrant. I just happened not to be born in the United Kingdom. Would you describe Boris Johnson as an immigrant? No, you would not. Now, I think what's interesting, obviously, Jasmine, about the overall point here, though,

is that this is what's creating the division, right? And it's happening everywhere. Happening in politics, it's happening on the Glastonbury stages. It's now happening on Instagram because in the past, I think something that we all could have agreed on, whether you were an immigrant or whether you were someone who was born here is that actually, yeah, we're all grateful to be here as Richard was saying, but now there's nothing, nothing that is totally shared

now there's nothing, nothing that is totally shared between us. There's no commonality. Everything is political and everything feeds into the culture war. And often I feel like it's patriotism now because I feel like Nadia Hussein made her fame, a lot of her fame, because she was this patriot daughter of Bangladeshi immigrants who wore the hijab, but yet she was still so quintessentially British, right? You know, you win the Great British Bake Off, you're quintessentially British. And I feel like in that post, while I'm not saying that she wasn't making some good points, I agree with you, it just feels like she's moving away from that. And that feels like a bit of a microcosm for what is going on overall in our society. And it's sad.

Yes. And of course, it's not just in Britain, it's happening across Europe, it's happening across the West, we're seeing this kind of thinking on, you know, all various different sides coming out in all sorts of unpleasant ways. And this is why I think quite a lot of commentators are now using the term civil war. They are saying there's going to be civil war. They're saying that, I mean, I'm not sure exactly who is going to be on either side, but there's a lot of saber rattling going on. And this is the concern that we may have some sort of civil war and it will be starting with a war of words.

Yeah, Richard Taylor, that is, it's, it's a growing concern now. A lot of people, I mean, it was Elon Musk really who first raised the prospect, you know, the UK is heading for civil war because of what we've imported and because the fact that the native population is just so angry with what we see around us. And it's interesting to think that actually some of these soft changes could be contributing. Do you worry about civil war, Richard? I actually do, Dan. I think we've seen what some have described as an invasion of our values, our country, our culture, our history, and it's people that come over here, and some don't even speak a word of English to be quite frank with you, and want to impose their

religion, their ideologies, their culture. I believe in the freedom of religion, practice what you want, but when they're having Sharia courts in our country, when there are laws that our own government don't recognize as laws, and they're all kind of in secret. These are happening, you know, arranged marriages are happening. This is not part of our British Christian heritage, not part of our country, it doesn't belong in our country. And I think what's happening, this unrest within people, there's a real sense of palpable anger in people in the country. Hence the reason why they turn into parties like Reform and possibly now Advance UK, there's a bit of a plug there. That's Ben Habeem's new party, of course, which you are a senior member of. So we're trying to differentiate between what is right and wrong.

And I think when you live in a country that has been predominantly white and British for so long, and now the demographics of our country is changing massively, especially in our inner cities, not so much the rural areas, although they're changing now because I currently live in a rural area now, and the demographics are changing and I think people are fearful, people are fearful of walking out at night and it's to do with a certain demographic of people. And I think the whole thing with Tommy Robinson as well, because he's exposed so much from a certain group, an ethnic minority within our society, and it's not to say that all of them are the same.

I think there's an element of anger because people are thinking to themselves, we've allowed this to happen. And this goes back to what I call the spawn of Antichrist to Tony Blair when he opened the borders up in the early 90s. Really, really fascinating stuff. And what a fascinating superstar panel today,

Richard Taylor, new senior member of Advance UK and Jasmine Bertels, who's the woman behind Money Magpie. Now I actually appeared on Jasmine's brilliant Money Magpie podcast recently talking all about royal finances. You can find it on the Money Magpie page on YouTube and it really, really is worth a watch. Thank you both so much. Great to have you both here. And so we're going to do Greatest Britain Union Jackets in just one moment, by the way, but lots of you commenting on the political situation that we discussed earlier. You know, Rupert Lowe versus Ben Habeib versus Nigel Farage versus Katie Hopkins versus Tommy Robinson.

It's all kicking off. And Peter Gianetto said, Ben Habib is welcoming everyone to his party. Katie, Tommy, Nick Tankoni, he wants everyone on board. That is a very good point because it's the difference between him and Reform UK. Right. Mr. ROR said, ultimately Restore and Advance will come together. They're not hostile to each other. Whereas Reform is hostile to other right wing movements. That's the difference. Friedith Elizabeth Chalton said Faraj is not a team worker, no different than

Stammer. Nick Tenconi, Ben Habib and Rupert Low should be together. I agree with that. Gary Lowry said in my opinion Rupert Low would make a great Prime Minister. He is the salt of the earth. And thank you for the super chat from Avatar. This was on the issue of Glastonbury who said Bob Villain, Glastonbury festival and ecap have the collective intelligence of a lobotomized squirrel and they're frankly all nuts trying to play the victim too. How is that cancelled to a Bob Villain? Oh, what a great comment. Thank you so much for that super chat and welcome to outspoken plus Earth Empress, okay time to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass now your nominees fat boy slim nominated by Matt Cass 0 4 8 0 7 and

That is because he signaled for grown men and women flipping fingers at Donald Trump on a screen at Glastonbury cringe level off the charts boy George flipping fingers at Donald Trump on a screen at Glastonbury cringe level off the charts. Boy George nominated by Darren Donaldson because he tried but failed to take on JK Rowling on X. After losing he blocked her and will reappear for the next Virtue Signalling Chorus to try and keep relevant. And Femi Oluwole nominated by Big Momma Booth, Birmingham's finest professional virgin and political blogger for not just posting a viral tweet repeatedly in support of Bob Villain's IDF rant, but doubling down multiple times and having multiple tantrums with Josh Howey amongst others about it, and a car number plate.

That's because he posted a, I did go and check that he posted someone with an IDF number plate. Okay. The results are in. And third place Fat Boy Slim. The runner-up, oh Fat Boy Slim had 17% of the vote. The runner-up with 34% of the vote, Boy George, but Britain's most annoying virgin Femi Oluwali, today's Union Jackass with 49% of your vote. Today's greatest Britain nominated by Big Mama Booth is JK Rowling for a justifiable gloat about the jailing of

Stephen Island who targeted her for her stance over trans children safe spaces for women. Thank you so much for your company today, but coming up in the uncancelled after show on Subzette, we've got a big episode because there has been an astonishing behind-the-grave revelation from the late Queen's cousin, revealing how Elizabeth II really felt about Meghan Markle, and it backs up what I've been reporting for years. Angela Levin is on deck to really go through what is an extraordinary story. Genuinely this is an extraordinary royal story. It left my jaw on the floor.

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