Dan Wootton Outspoken - ESSEX ERUPTS AS NEW HOTEL ILLEGAL CHARGED WITH SEX ASSAULTS PROMPTING TOMMY ROBINSON FURY

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

TODAY’S SHOW IS SPONSORED BY: SHEATH UNDERWEAR - Get 20% off with the code OUTSPOKEN at checkout https://sheath.com Developing today: Essex erupts and for very good reason after an illegal migrant in the UK for just eight days after joining the invasion of the Channel in small boats is charged with three counts of sexual assault in just two days. When will enough be enough? The latest on why Britain is on the brink as young women are now at risk on a daily basis in Dan's Digest. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Director at the Centre for Migration and Prosperity Steven Woolfe, and media psychologist, host of True Crime on YouTube, and now officially the public's choice as true crime Influencer of the year Emma Kenny. PLUS: Failed mayor Sadiq Khan disgraced himself at Wimbledon after wearing a £2,000 watch at the Wimbledon final, without paying tribute to 26-year-old dad Blue Stevens who was murdered for his watch in central London. How low can this scumbag go? AND: Suella Braverman sparks a new Reform UK war, as Matt Goodwin finally speaks out, prompting fury from Lee Anderson. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: King Charles was warned by me time and again that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle must never be trusted again – and leaks at the weekend of peace talks to a pro-Sussex MSM journalist just proved it. So will the king now wake up that there must be no going back when it comes to the liars in Montecito and Prince William is right that they must remain in exile? We’ll get into it with the Royal News Network. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients. Vodka, soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple. No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken Live, episode number 269. And developing today, Essex erupts. And for very good reason.

After an illegal migrant in the UK for just eight days after joining the invasion of the Channel and small boats is charged with three counts of sexual assault in just two days. When will enough be enough? Obviously there's a lot of men. Look at the end of the day when schoolgirls are getting harassed and potentially attacked on the streets of any town the men will come out and the men will try to defend their children. That's it, happiness spoken again. It's not you you bitch.

Come on Andy Das, Andy Das come on, Andy Das, come on man. Tommy Robinson and Reform UK have both weighed in on the situation. All of those incompetent people that have allowed uncontrolled mass immigration to this country, this is what happens. Epping is a beautiful place, a peaceful place, but you're ruining it. Like you're ruining the whole country. Sort it out. The latest on why Britain is on the brink has young women are now at risk from illegals on a daily basis in my Digest Next.

Then my superstar panel weigh in. Director at the Centre for Migration and Prosperity, Stephen Wolf, and media psychologist, host of True Crime on YouTube, and now officially the public's choice as True Crime Influencer of the Year, Emma Kenney. Also coming up on the show today, failed mayor Sadiq Khan disgraces himself at Wimbledon after wearing a £2000 watch at the final without paying tribute to 26-year-old dad Blue Stevens who was murdered for his own watch in central London. How low can that scumbag go?

Soella Braverman sparks a new reform UK war as Matt Goodwin finally speaks out prompting fury from Lee Anderson and Rupert Lowe and Ben Habe publicly take different positions on Tommy Robinson's mega-uniting the kingdom rally for free speech. So who's right? We're going to debate that. Then in the uncancelled aftershow on Substack, King Charles was warned by me time and again that Prince Harry and Meghan must never be trusted again. And leaks at the weekend of peace talks to a pro-Sussex MSM journalist just proved it. So will the monarch now wake up and realise that there must be no going back when it comes to the liars in Montecito and Prince William is right that they must remain in exile. We'll get into that with the Royal News Network

over on Substack www.outspoken.live. It's also the first Great Britain and Union Jackass of the week. We'll reveal the winners at the end of the show. But of course you choose the Union Jackass. The three nominees available for you in the YouTube live chat right now. But here they are. Heidi Alexander nominated by Michael823, the Labor Transport Secretary for her stupid naive plans for installing charging points on our roadsides and all for £35 million, yet she doesn't even have an EV. Darren Jones nominated by Annette Waltmau as he cannot define what a modest income is and his only first secretary to the Treasury. It was this moment on LBC that sparked the nomination.

Who's the modest income? How much is it? I'm not sure it's... Well, I think modest means different things to different people. The very clear policy commitment that we have as a government, as I said, was in our manifesto coming into government, was the headline rates of income tax and employee national insurance

that people pay in their payslip alongside VAT. So those are the specific commitments. Regardless of how much they earn, whether it's modest or immodest, is going to be protected from tax rises? Well, our commitment, as I say, is not to increase the headline rates of income tax or employee national insurance.

And we know that obviously people that earn more pay higher rates of tax are standard in the system that we have. And Bridget Phillipsom nominated by G55PAM for being vile to children heading for state school overload. So three Labour nominations for Union Jackass. It was pretty close when I looked before the show. So get voting on the YouTube live chat right now.

The winners announced at the end of the show. So stick with us. But now, let's go! When do we finally say enough? What is it going to take? How many of our sisters, our daughters, our girlfriends, our mothers, our nieces have to be sexually attacked by vermin criminals arriving on boats illegally across the channel in this unrelenting invasion of the United Kingdom and then being housed in luxury hotels and fed with food paid for by our taxes before we rise up. Well, in Essex this weekend, furious air-peen residents finally got to that point and I do not blame them for a single second. Protect our kids! Protect our kids! Protect our kids! Protect our kids! Protect our kids!

The protests outside the Bell Hotel came after a man was charged with three sexual assaults in just two days in Essex after arriving into the country on a boat just eight days earlier. We were paying for Hadush Gurbalsly K Kiputo from Ethiopia who should not have been here in the first place to allegedly commit these crimes and now will no doubt pay dearly as he goes through our already overloaded blow to justice system. It is a joke. He admitted in court or at least his defence admitted in court, that he has no connections to the United Kingdom. So he must go. I don't give a damn where to anymore. Send him home, ideally to Ethiopia now. Now my friend Adam Brooks has been covering this on the ground

all weekend and he outlined the understandable fury. ground all weekend and he outlined the understandable fury. Habush Gurbislazi Kabata has been charged with three counts of sexual assault, one count of inciting a girl to engage in sexual activity and one count of harassment. Now look, this is not surprising, again these are alleged crimes, he's been charged, he's not been found guilty, but we are importing people from foreign cultures that treat women as third-class citizens. We are importing people from countries where old men are allowed to marry nine-year-old girls. Now some of the people that agree with this will be over here in this country and in hotels like this, up and down the country. We've seen terrorists, gangsters, murderers, paedophiles and rapists arrested

from hotels up and down the country. This is a fact. The left don't like me to point that out. Then, showing just how low our hard left really are, when locals, locals including one of the female victims' fathers, arranged a peaceful protest for the weekend. The Antifa-inspired stand-up to racism scumbags decided to bring violence to Essex by launching a counter demonstration. As Tommy Robinson pointed out, they described the honest folk of Essex peacefully protesting as fascists who were attacking asylum seekers in the hotel using vile racist sentiment to stir up trouble. That was a lie. And as Tommy says, of course they were doing no such thing.

Migrants staying at the Bell Hotel at the taxpayers' expense have been sexually targeting girls in the area, prompting locals to protest against it. Stand Up To Racism are tonight going to the hotel to stand against locals and with the sexual deviant migrants. And he added, as concerned families protesting this evening in Epin, following sex attacks on a local girl by an invader staying at a hotel paid for by the British taxpayer, far left agitators stand up to racism, attacked locals. The father of the girl was in attendance, absolute scum. But the good news is that after causing all of that trouble, the Patriots of Essex won. Watch. You've been cut. You've been cut over here. Right? Right? You've been cut.

Right? You dirty nonsense! That is a dirty pay the phone! Yes, you dirty pay the phone! You dirty moron! Phone game! That's it, Epin has spoken again. Not you, you bitch.

Come on, Andy Dasch! Andy Dasch, come on! Andy Dasch! Come on, man! And as Adam Brooks reported, once those hard-lift scumbags were out of the mix, there was no trouble, but simply heartfelt disgust and anger. There are women and children, literally hundreds of people here at the Bell Hotel in Epping. Hundreds. I've seen people in wheelchairs, nans, grandads. Obviously there's a lot of men. Look, at the end of the day, when schoolgirls are getting harassed and potentially attacked on the streets of any town, the men will come out and the men will try to defend their children. Look, so far I have not seen any trouble. There was tension because of the so-called

anti-racism lot. Reform UK backed the movement with its local coun Councillor, Jamie McIvor joining the demonstrations and quite clearly blaming mass uncontrolled immigration watch. All of those incompetent people that have allowed uncontrolled mass immigration to this country, this is what happens. Epion is a beautiful place, a peaceful place, but you're ruining it.

Like you're ruining the whole country. Sort it out. There's no such thing as integration when you ram it down people's throats and there is no such thing as peace and community cohesion with uncontrolled mass immigration to this country. The people living here are unvetted, we don't know who they are and it is dangerous for our community. Hear the people of Epping, shut this hotel. It is not the right place, no place in this country

should have a hotel like this but Epping certainly shouldn't. Close this hotel. And reform now taking the fight directly to the Home Office. And Reform now taking the fight directly to the Home Office. Hi everybody, Councillor Jamie McIver here. So I'm outside the Home Office where I'm about to deliver a letter signed by the three Reform UK councillors in Ongar to call on the Home Secretary to immediately close the Bell Hotel in Eppie and of course the Phoenix Hotel which is close to Omda. It is unacceptable that the people of Eppie Forest should have to tolerate this level of fear and anxiety because of the behaviour of people living in the Bell Hotel. But if you think there's any chance of Labour stopping the boats then I'm sorry you just haven't

been watching close enough because the reality is they have no intention of doing so with two Labour MPs now saying the quiet bit out loud. First, Jo White was exposed by the Conservative post for saying she literally doesn't care about stopping the boats. Listen carefully. She literally said it. I don't care. That was from a leaked meeting by the way. Then the high profile Labour rebel, but she's gaining a lot of support, this woman Rachel Maskell MP went viral for having said the quiet bit out loud too, that they want the invasion to continue to hell with ordinary bits and the impact on our lives. shout so much more and say 20,000 is not enough, 30,000 is not enough. We have got to keep going until we are at saturation point because what does it matter if we have to wait another week for a hospital visit or if our class sizes are slightly bigger, or if our city is slightly

fuller, what does it matter if things are slightly more challenging, if we have to pay a little bit more into the system, surely it is worth it to see those lives being restored again. That is how slippery Stama's mob really feel. So we need to let them know, peacefully and calmly of course, but with significant people power that we're not going to put up with this anymore. So well done Essex, place close to my heart, the birthplace of my mother of course, you have done it again.

But now it is time for the rest of Britain to follow because eventually, eventually, if we keep this up, the MSM and the establishment won't be able to ignore this uprising. Now the superstar panel. Emma Kenney and Stephen Wolf with me. Stephen, astonishing scenes in Essex, but this has to keep up, doesn't it? We have to keep this up. We can't stop now. The numbers are too big. 175,000 down that have arrived across the channel since 2018. I want you to put that in context.

That's a city the size of Oxford. We had grooming gangs. We have everyday stories, not just here in Essex, but only two days ago in Norfolk. We had a channel migrant who had come across who's harassing children in a playing field. Norfolk young men scared them off. We've seen what's happened in Northern Ireland, where Romanians had sexually assaulted young

children as well. And it's not just in this country. Four days ago, there were riots in Tora Patecho in southern Spain, where Moroccans were attacking the Spanish and the Spanish retaliated because they've had enough down there. In Germany, they're beginning to do exactly the same. The consequence of our elites, just like those in labor MPs that you've seen in this video that you produced tonight, is that they're allowing so many people coming into this country, so many people coming into Europe, and they don't care. But the impact on the sexual welfare of our children, on our hospitals, on schools and infrastructure, on the fact that we're paying more in taxation

and costing us more just to exist in our own country, are so obvious now that we can no longer stop. We need to keep marching, petitions, rising up where it happens, and letting the elites know that no longer will we accept this, so that they will actually either change the laws or begin to understand that a time has to come where this stops completely. Indeed. I mean, I couldn't agree more. Emma Kenny, one of the priorities of your whole life, but certainly the focus of your career, has been protecting the victims of sexual abuse. So how does it make you feel that literally this dude is imported, I mean this scumbag, this piece of vermin is imported, right? On a boat, no connections, he's here for eight days in a hotel and within three, within two

days, sorry, within 48 hours Emma, he is charged with three counts of sexual assault. I mean, how does that make you feel? I mean, I've been enraged for a very long time because I was around when the first grooming situation played out and I still have somebody that I have now on home leave who was one of those victims. So I talked about it 16, 17 years ago and actually we had more conversations in the press about it back then. It's only very recently people have started to kind of talk more openly about this since that big gap has arrived and that was because people were shut down, you were called racist. Actually one of the videos showed was people being called racist because they turned up some all first of all, culturists and racists are completely different.

You can have no problems with anybody's race but you can have a huge issue with people's culture. The reality is that people don't understand the per capita situation in the UK. You are far more likely, whether people want to like this or hate this as a reality, to be in a situation where you are sexually harmed by an individual from particular areas that are not British.

It's as simple as that. Now, of course, it's ludicrous to suggest that white people are not more prevalent in jail. That's because there are many, many millions more. So what we have to do is draw down to the basics. There are issues around the way that men perceive women, particularly from some cultures, and when they arrive here, they believe that women are for the taking,

children are for the taking. And I don't care how uncomfortable that is for people to hear, it devastates me that you've got idiots going out and chanting about anti-racism and apparent Labour MPs saying that we just want more, we just want more. No we don't, we don't want more. We'd like some high calibre individuals who understand culture and are western centric in their belief systems and will amalgamate with the general population. We'll have those every day of the week. When it comes down to you have to pay more, be put at risk, be in a situation now where even our capital city, which was once considered a wonder of

the world, is just absolutely appalling and dangerous. When you get to that point, you have to say, what's the end game? And I think the bigger question for the average Brit, which we all are, let's be honest, the average person is an average Brit in the UK. You have to ask yourself what is going on governmentally? Is it about creating discord, disharmony, creating a situation where everyone is so afraid that they don't act in a way that's according to our rules and rituals and organisations and our stature and culture? Is it that or is it just that the government are absolute fools?

I don't know because right now I struggle with the endgame. I really do because we are just destroying the UK. Stephen, what do you think the endgame looks like? Well, the endgame is clearly a divided nation, the intersections and different societies, pretty much like the way that Turkey was before it became a nation. Taken over recently by, I think, someone I've seen in Thessalonica in his grave, the former leader and founder of modern Turkey, which where you had Muslims and different sects of Muslims fighting each other and what we had if you look historically whether

it's in Rome and the post-Roman period is different communities basically brutalizing each other and stealing from one another, taking their children. And that's the sort of world where we're here, a segregated world. And I don't think that is a healthy place to live in. I don't think it's a healthy scenario for Britain. And for some reason, some reason, whether you're the chief of police, whether you're the senior government civil servants in the home office, whether you're the policymakers on non-governmental organizations, or more importantly than these people who are funding organizations like Hope Not Hate, the charities that are doing them, for some reason they think that they're going to avoid it. That somehow all

these people come over the boat, wonderful, lovely individuals who are kind and generous, and nothing will happen. They'll, they'll integrate in some sort of magical book that they had one day when Oxford studying, I don't know what it is. But they don't seem to see the reality of what happened. And if they were capable enough to understand how history repeats itself, how one society becomes bigger and bigger eventually and more powerful, even if they're in the minority, that they will take over the majority and wipe away all those lovely things that happened to you. For example, just again looking at history, when the Romans left, there was an awful lot of people who were Britons, who integrated with Rome. They had the nice little palaces and they thought it would be lovely when all the people come over from the Angles and Saxon and the North and then the South, that they would work.

Eventually they were butchered or they were forced to join in with a new society. That is the end game if we don't have segregation in the meantime. And I think that's a terrible, terrible way, but it's coming incredibly quickly. It's coming. I think it's coming incredibly quickly. It's 10, 15, 20 years at the maximum, I would say, before this comes to a head. So wise up, wise up. And Emma, can I just ask you about the psychology of the people in Essex, right? Because I loved it. I think a lot of people, Emma, since what happened last summer,

and specifically what happened with Lucy Connolly and Julie Sweeney and Wayne O'Rourke, I think people are so deeply terrified that they've almost said, okay, I feel this, but I can't do anything. I can't risk doing anything. But I think what was so good with what we saw over the weekend, Emma, is that these people were calm and passionate and brave and trouble free, but also absolutely made

their point, even if at this point it's been ignored by the mainstream media. Whereas you know Emma, if there had been even the slightest hint, the slightest hint of violence, not from the hard left people but from the people on the right, it would have been leading all of the bulletins. But eventually we'll get there. But what's the psychology of people who since last summer and since Southport and all of the jailings that happened to ordinary people are like, oh, I'm just too scared. Why did the psychology in Essex change over the weekend? Is it because they are literally just so terrified

about their own daughters? For example, what's changed it? I mean, I genuinely think that the massive majority in the UK, no matter what colour your skin is, for example, even your belief system, the mass majority do not want children to be put at risk, and that brings people together. The belief is, when you look at research, it takes 3.5% of the population to resist. They have to do that ideally peacefully, because it means that more people can come together. And what they did right in Essex was that people basically

were able to connect with one another and recognise this common thread of connection, disabled people, old people, young people, they could all come in a peaceful way. So the more that the British public realises that publicly protesting peacefully is the way forward, you can overthrow a system doing that, the better it will be. And I think as far as fear is concerned, I heard Jordan Peterson say the other day that really telling the truth will save the world. So stop lying to yourself about the illogical things that are going on around you and that it's all going to be okay. It won't be. Tell the truth, speak your truth, say things that people don't want to hear when it's truthful and know that by doing that, those simple shifts in our

literal conversations changes the world in a massive way five years down the line. So don't allow what happened last year to colour or prejudice your actions today. Go ahead and do it. I didn't think I could be any more disgusted with Sadiq Khan, London's failed mayor. one, London's failed mayor. After the shocking death of Blue Stevens, a 26 year old dad, butchered by an unknown criminal who the police still have not caught for his Rolex watch in front of his partner, his family, his friends outside a casino and a hotel in Knightsbridge in London last week. Have you noticed the mainstream media don't want to talk about this story? And Sadiq Khan

certainly doesn't want to talk about this story. But remembering that Blue Stevens was butchered to death in our dying capital for his watch. I was sick to my stomach seeing that disgusting scumbag who has not uttered Blue Stevens name in public, who didn't even include his name in his post on X, which is very very different to the treatment of George Floyd in 2020 I felt sick to my stomach see him turn up to the final of Wimbledon on Sunday wearing you're not gonna believe this a designer watch now I'm told it's not a Rolex but it's worth £2000 this watch. And it makes me so angry.

Peter Lloyd posted on X the absolute state of him strutting around as if he's a celebrity it wimbled in just days after a young father was stabbed to death on the streets of London. Khan is utterly despicable. And can you believe the mainstream media have decided that Blue Stevens is just a victim that we shouldn't talk about? This has not been leading any news. Look at this guy. A young dad butchered for his Rolex watch and it doesn't even make the mainstream media headlines and it should. Listen to the heartbreaking tribute from his mum via London and UK street news. She posted, this is Charlie Sheridan, he lit up my heart, there she is, every time I laid eyes on him, my only son.

I lived for him. I can't stop crying. I can't breathe. Please, I want him back. Everyone in your life will have a last day with you and you won't even know when it will be. Cherish them before it's too late.

And Blue Stevens needs, needs to be someone that we all remember. Because until we force the mainstream media and the establishment to start talking about Blue Stevens, Khan gets away with destroying the city and putting all of our lives at risk. And Middleton, hopefully the next mayor of London, posted on this, and I so agree with him. They can track down a social media post with hurty words, but they can't track down a cold-blooded murderer in broad daylight in one of the most surveilled cities in the world? As London Mayor, I will be relentless in my approach for ultimate safety and security of

London and its people. There will be zero tolerance and serious repercussions to anyone carrying a knife and this will also be extended to the immediate family. Accountability on all fronts. Anyone murdering my people will pay the ultimate price. Stephen Wolf, Emma Kenney back with me. Emma, can you believe that Khan turned up with the designer watch on at Wimbledon having not uttered Blue Stevens name once. Like how crittiness is this individual? How stupid does he think we are? I mean the thing about Sadiq Khan is that he has literally no respect for the majority of people in the UK. All he cares about is his own agenda. The man has an ego that's far, far bigger than he'll ever be and

yet he has very little sense. I mean, he can't even answer a simple question on grooming gangs. So when it comes down to wearing a watch at Wimbledon to show off his wealth, it doesn't surprise me the slightest because he is so devoid of any actual empathy and understanding. And to have that mother have to come on

and talk about the loss of her son in such a visceral and cerebral way that it just kind of makes you so emotional. His father to actually state, you know, why aren't you thinking about the impact of you wearing that watch? What we really need to draw down is to this, he's ruined London, he's responsible for it, so he's responsible for the death of that young man, the father who should have been there for his children for the rest of his life, but it's not going to happen now because Salik Khan has made it a lawless place where there are no repercussions.

And Aunt Middleton's absolutely correct. I've had the pleasure of speaking at an event with him and he's a force to be reckoned with and he doesn't suffer fools and Sadiq Khan is of course a huge fool. So therefore when he's talking, he's talking in a very linear and literal way, which is when you've got all of that surveillance,

we're being surveilled all the time, you have to not find that individual by choice, not because it's a struggle to do so. That's the bigger question. Why are they choosing not to find this individual who murdered this young man in broad daylight and basically ran off with his watch? There is no consequence anymore. You may as well go and do that in London because at the end of the day, what's actually going to happen to you is disgusting. Yeah, there should be a national manhunt for this dude. Like, where are the CCTV images? It's disgusting. The mainstream media have just ignored this story, Stephen Wolf. And I keep thinking back to 2020 when Sadiq Khan spoke incessantly, incessantly about the death of a criminal in America. Now, let's not even go into the George Floyd case, but the reality is he was a criminal

who died on the other side of the world and Sadiq Khan posted on X relentlessly, spoke about him relentlessly spoke about him relentlessly, but what presumably Blue Stevens as a straight white man in London just doesn't fit into his politics isn't worthy of a mention? Well, I'm just gonna say because I think most people believe it and not only is Khan a racist He only supports and looks after the people who are dead, who are black, or people that fit in with his group. Lee Rigby, who's been butchered on the streets of London, and we have had similar sort of reactions to that.

If he was, as you said, someone for Black Lives Matter, then mainstream media will be all over it. There would be a national day of mourning. There would be some sort of kind of reaction from the political class to create an investigation into it. There would be a manhunt. And the very clear scenario about it is because you have a situation here

where Kown doesn't really care about white people because white people don't vote for him in the way that you have in London because London's now numbers are so dramatically changed that he only has to appeal to the people who look to vote for him, which is the vast majority of black Asians and those who have what I call the uneducated

university class of people who are well off on themselves and don't seem to think it will ever happen to them. And it's really interesting because Khan of course doesn't have to worry about his own safety. He can go out wearing his £2,000 watch and it was interesting actually I saw this compilation at the weekend of the dude just totally ignoring normal Londoners watch this Sadik, Sadik can we not talk while we walk? Sadik, please talk to us. How many contracts you've put out to tender? None.

How many contracts? How much commission was he with the Mayor from moving to the Crystal? You just want to bring this fucking city down, don't you? You're not the Mayor of London, you're the destroyer of London. You're the destroyer of London. Destroyer of London, not mayor of London. Emma zero interest. Zero interest in having a conversation with Londoners who are not part of one of the hard left organisations

that he happily surrounds himself with. Yeah, he just reminds me of an absolute narcissist really. He really does somebody who only has his own intentions that he cares for, obviously has some kind of deep inferiority complex at the very heart of himself, just wants to avoid it so deflects by basically blaming everybody else for the situations that are going on in the UK, taking no responsibility for it. The fact that he can just stand there and ignore human beings who have a right to question him. I mean, we have just given him a knighthood, which again is mind blowing because what that says is there is an establishment that is completely...

Well, I refuse to even acknowledge it. And actually, I never used to be someone, Emma, that was against the honours system, but now they can just piss. I mean, I will never, ever call that dude a sir. But what does it tell us about the reward in society? What does it tell us about the meaning of the average human being? It says, you don't matter. We look after our own. And that also says that there are vested interests that play that we are not necessarily aware of. At least I'm not necessarily aware of it, the bigger picture. But what I do see is there is one and we're not part of it. And they don't care about the way that we feel. And if you're a leader, one of the most powerful things is to listen.

It's to hear the people who are around you, the ones who agree with you, the ones who disagree with you. That's a good politician. You don't have to absolutely be on board with everything that everybody wants, but you hear them. Because if you don't hear them,

there's no sense of value. If there's no sense of value in your society and that you're leading, then people don't have a sense of pride. And if there's no pride, well, welcome to the UK, because that's what's happening right now. What we're seeing now are people realizing we've got to stop it before it gets too late. And I think that that is something positive. When you're showing doubt and you show these things, actually it gives people a sense of internal rage that's required.

Well, yes, but it's so difficult when you have a mainstream media and of course they're becoming far less important, thank goodness, because of the platforms that we all have. But they're still setting the agenda of the establishment. I couldn't believe it over the weekend. So Sly News interviewed Mark Rowley, the mayor police chief. Do you think it was about Blue Stevens? Like hell it was, like hell it was. It was about the fact that he said it was shameful that black boys in London were more likely to die than white boys. But I wanted to show you the sly news tweet

because if we go back to that, you will see the context added by readers in the community note, which says the headline lacks the essential context that despite making up only 13% of London's total population, Black Londoners account for 45% of London's knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators. And just in case you missed it, here was that conversation between Trevor Phillips and Mark Rowley. Still a problem for the Met, isn't it?

Relations with minority communities. This is so difficult for us. We can't pretend otherwise, than we've got a history between policing and black communities where policing has got a lot wrong. We get a lot more right today, but we do still make mistakes. That's not in doubt. I'm being as relentless about standards as we can be, and

the vast majority of our people are good people. But that legacy, combined with the tragedy that some of this crime falls most heavily in black communities, that creates a real problem because the legacy creates concern, meanwhile policing, we want to reach into the communities where we're suffering most crime and make the biggest difference because everyone deserves equal chance to thrive in London. It's not right that black boys growing up in London are more likely to be dead by the time they're 18, far more likely than white boys. I think that's shameful for the city. And of course, didn't mention Blue Stevens at all, but as Julia Hartley Brewer posted

on this Stephen Wolf, extraordinary that neither Sir Mark Rowley nor Trevor Phillips thought it was worth mentioning that black boys in London are largely dying at the hands of other black boys. This isn't a racism issue. It's about family breakdown, cultural issues and weak policing. Stephen, your thoughts. It's also about dishonest and weak policy and leadership. Yes. So those who are unwilling to accept basic facts. The thing about people like Mark Rowling is he honestly thinks he's a decent individual

because he says a very fine line, which is we all want people in London not to be offended or receive crimes and that clients to black people as well as white people. Well, we all want that, quite frankly, Mark. That's really why we've appointed you to be a police officer. But what we don't want you to be is some sort of psychological guru who pretends to ignore the facts that is around you, which is that the vast majority of crime on teenagers is done by black boys on themselves because they're involved in drugs. You don't want to deal with those issues. You actually want to legalise it in so many ways because it's about turf territory. It's about

the way that they will deal with themselves as gang to gang. It's about being bolshy with one another. And the fact that you're looking at white communities, those white communities tend not to be in the centre of London where the vast majority of this crime is. But when it does involve a white individual, like Lou Stevens, you're gonna put your head in the sands because it just doesn't fit your narrative. And what you're most afraid of,

what you really would be afraid of, is if that fact that the killer turns out to be a black knife prime boy again on a white boy and that will create a bigger scenario for you. So once more these individuals in are terrified of the facts and the truth and the honesty and they're terrified of that fact coming out because then their narrative that they've built up over the years would fall away very quickly. So Emma, what hope do we have? I mean, I think that when you look at history, you get to a tipping point that goes one way or the other. And I'm hoping it goes the way that we all want it to go in the UK. And that is not to do

with your race or ethnicity or your religion on the whole, it's to do with actually having a Western set of values that are really imperative and important. I think that we do need to think about family. One of the things that I've worked with in my life is family breakdown and family dysfunction. And like it or otherwise, when you look at the statistics in London, gang crime orientated wise, we're dealing with mass self-esteem issues of young men who have happened to come from a particular minority ethnicity. And that's got to be dealt with. And it is best dealt with by telling the truth and thinking about family dynamics and fathers being at home and working hard to create that situation.

Unless we're going to be honest about that, then we're going to end up with young people who do die. I think that police commissioner saying about more black boys dying than white boys, that's horrific. None of us want that. We don't want more white boys dying, do we? We want to deal with the actual problem of black young men killing black young men. That needs to be dealt with. Exactly.

And it will cause problems. Exactly. But the whole message that I took from him is that there should be shame on London. And effectively what he's saying is shame on white London too. And actually I think there really has to be a total re-examination of what is going on in London because those statistics are stark, absolutely stark. And unfortunately it is black on black crime which is causing the deaths. And until we have a police commissioner

who's prepared to have that conversation, but more importantly, an interviewer, someone in the mainstream media who's prepared to say, wait, but just hang on a moment. And that would have been such a powerful moment if Trevor Phillips had been prepared to do that as a black man. And actually Trevor Phillips at times

has been that human being, for example, in his criticism of Meghan Markle. So it was all incredibly disappointing. Breaking today, a new war in Reform UK over Suela Braviman's apparent exclusion from the party, which has seen even Faraj loyalists like Matt Goodwin attacked by Lee Anderson. So let me take you through these really astonishing developments from the past three days. So firstly, it was reported that Reform UK had announced that it would not accept Suela Braviman or Liz Truss into the party.

Matt Goodwin is furious that wet Tories like Jake Berry are allowed in, but not anti-mass migration patriots like Suella, is Matt Goodwin finally realising the truth about reform? Basil the Great posed the question. Well it certainly looked like it, because you know for many months Matt Goodwin has not criticised Reform UK at all, including around the terrible reporting of Rupert Lowe to the police. but I am pleased to say he seems to be waking up to what's going on because he did post over the weekend. I do not see how reform could take someone like Jake Berry, who has consistently backed Net Zero madness, but not take somebody like Soalla Bravaman, who has consistently called to defend

our borders and end mass migration. Now that prompted Lee Anderson, who is rumoured to be in his own rouse at the moment with party management, to post, what's your source Matt? Serious question. So by that point it's all exploded. And then it turned nasty. Mark Jenkins, a formatory MP, wrote all out in the open fighting on Twitter instead of sending a WhatsApp and this is the chief whip, the one charged with keeping order. Imagine putting them in charge of anything. Lee Anderson replied and I thought this was really low blow actually. Seems like you're an expert on everything these days Mark, except for how to keep your seat

how's the job hunting going a year after you lost your job and then and this is the problem that reform has because people are starting to expose them now because Mark Jenkinson replied saying different story to the 8th of October when you asked me to join Reform UK but I have principles and self-respect how many times have you sold out your principles for a job, Lee, including campaigning to make Corbyn Prime Minister, or was that an honestly held belief? But this is a ludicrous briefing to the Daily Mail on Suala Braviman, prompting her husband, a very good man, Raoul Braviman, to write a far better headline would be Reform Says No to Net Zero Remainer Ex-Tory MP.

And indeed, so many people I respect on the right have been coming out and saying, what are you doing, Reform UK, because Suala is exactly who you need. Tommy Robinson weighed in. Suala Braviman is one of the only politicians I trust. David Curtin said, Reformer passed their peak. Kathy Gingell, quite so, it has lost me.

They have lost me. A1 stalwart Reform UK supporter. No longer I am afraid. I agree with every word Matt Goodwin said here. And from Rupert Lowe, Suala is a rare MP in Westminster. She's honest. I have huge respect for her and what she has achieved.

Brave, patriotic, incredibly intelligent and above all right. Suhala Bravaman is one of the few good ones left in parliament. She deserves respect. Now I can bring you a little bit of exclusive information on this situation. I am told by people who would very much know that Nigel Farage has absolutely not ruled out Suhaillah Bravman joining the party. She's been told to take her time and it would be a real coup to have her as I've reported in the past. She was utterly concerned about the treatment of Rupert Lowe and that did put her off joining

Reform You Can. I always warned that would be the case as soon as you have reported one of your own MPs to the police, you're going to potentially lose some really good talent. But I think I know what's going on here. There are absolute, I don't know what was going to come out there, maybe assholes and that's sort of appropriate because there are absolute egotists in the party, that's what I was going with, like Zia Youssef, who want to rule out someone like Suhela Bravman, while accepting someone in like Jake Berry, who let's be honest is not going to pose any type of threat. But I think what we can certainly say now is that when all of the reformers were saying to me, oh, Daniel, just being unfair, of course, there's going to be some teething issues.

Absolutely not. It has now all kicked off because look at this. Lee Anderson is now also calling for James McMurdoch to be booted from parliament from GB News Reform UK Chief Whip Lee Anderson now calling on McMurdoch to resign his seat and force a by-election. The Ashfield MP said he had compiled a list of questions for McMurdoch about historic business practices so that he could put his case forward allowing the party to respond with accuracy and confidence. But Anderson said McMurdoch has failed to respond to the

questions raised and therefore Reform UK feel that he does not meet the required standard to remain as an MP. And look, I don't know the truth as of yet about James McMurdock and his COVID business dealings, and you know, given my views about the COVID pandemic, I would be absolutely disgusted if anyone did take that money, fortunately. But what I do see is a party that is constantly prepared to throw individuals under the bus before the facts have even been established. And again, I really like this woman Sarah Poach in the new MP, she was a Tory two, five minutes ago, but I just find it so astonishing that she can go on the radio and defend what I now see as the indefensible watch.

One is your former colleague James McMurdoch on the front page of the Sunday Times. Again, he allegedly borrowed tens of thousands of pounds in a Covid loans scheme, received a salary at the same time from an international bank. He denies any wrongdoing. So he's now not part of Reform UK at all. That's right. So he's not part of Reform. He's gone independent.

Look, it's deeply disappointing. I like James as a person. And so I'm really disappointed that this may be the situation. Of course, you know that I can't say anything. There's going to be an investigation. Should there have been better vetting, though, Sarah? Well, there wasn't any vetting at the time, of course.

When James Sturd, I understand, obviously before my time, but I understand he was a paper candidate, which effectively means you put your name down, but you don't really think you're going to win. He won. There was no vetting at all. And this is what happens. But reform now are vetting heavily their candidates, which is why someone like myself, who has been attacked so much

by the Labour Party, and they can't find anything on me because the vetting was done thoroughly, there's nothing there to see, and you know, in somebody like myself who's gone through now the very high standards of the reform recruitment, what you have in me is somebody that, you know, the public can have confidence in and be absolutely sure of what they're getting. I mean Emma Kenny, Stephen Wolf, I'm sorry, I don't want candidates where there's nothing to see, like where they are so blancmange, so vanilla, have so been through our system because you know they've been a conservative councillor and they've never said anything to rock the boat. I mean

Stephen Wolf we don't need candidates like that. That's not me defending James McMurdo but I am defending the principle of you are innocent until proven guilty and for Lee Anderson to already be throwing him under the bus. What is going on Stephen because we've been on at this from the start but the fact that even Matt Goodwin Seems to be turning on Reform UK to me feels like it's quite a significant moment Well, you saw me put my hand up there when someone turns around and says you can trust me look at my vetting system They've got nothing on me

that actually is like one of the worst PR kind of sentences you could possibly give to somebody because that actually opens you up to everybody. So just going to hunt you down and trying to hunt everybody else down in the party. It lacks intelligence. It lacks a wiseness in how to deal with the media. But it also shows you to be quite dull, uninspiring, insipid and incapable of being able to be exciting and elevating about what people really want. People really want to have politicians who are straight up and honest and direct, understanding their particular issues, who understand how difficult it is in life at the moment, whether it's just existing and paying your bills, getting through work where you consistently have to face HR and others who are restricting the way you deal with it, or companies that are always restricting your ability to earn

more because they're deeply concerned about tax that's coming down from government. And at the end of the day, everybody just wants to be able to exist in a pleasant way. And you want the politicians to be able to look at you and say, I get you, I'm with you. What they don't want is children like Lee Anderson, you know, just battering it out with Mark, well, you're silly and we don't want you, and oh, look at me, I'm great and fantastic. And you don't have a job after a year. I mean, that's not something we should be celebrating. It's awful. You know, if he's been hunting for a job for a year and he can't get one

because no one will hire a formatory MP. I feel that's an awful thing. It's not something that we should be celebrating. Absolutely. It's, it's, it's abysmal and really lacks maturity. And if you want to become a powerful individual in a new government, that is not the sort of individual that you want to have. And also the, the clear point coming through is the way

that you reject people like Swela Braverman and Liz Truss, who've been around the block, who understand what's going on in government, who know how to make the physical changes that are required and have actually been up against the elites who pushed them down. Look at Liz Truss. What happened in the spikes in the market,

in the bond market and interest rates are nothing compared to what Rachel Reeves has now. Oh yeah. Let's just not talk about it. Let's just not talk about it. Exactly nothing to see here. Emma Kenny, what do you think is going on with Reform UK and do you trust them? Because they keep saying just trust us, just trust us as we keep on throwing people under the bus. and I'm a bit like, I didn't really think that's how politics works, you know? We can't just trust you. Yeah, I do struggle to just trust any politicians, particularly since Covid and also I would

have thought it was just kind of going with what we'd expect where somebody commits some kind of fraud during the Covid period because it seemed like everybody was up to it at the time. So I don't really feel like that is something that should have affected anything because I genuinely think they probably don't have any idea. It's just somebody's decided this person's a bit of a problem. This person said the wrong thing to the wrong person. This person might be a threat, so let's get rid of them. Yes. I think what everybody wants to see in politics is different opinions with a united front. So I

don't have to be perfect. I just have to have a staunch belief in the British public's best interests. I have to work really hard to fight for that justice. And in doing so, you bring people together. What this is doing is making you go. I just don't buy into the belief system that I had about reform when they initially started. I anticipated that they were the voice

for the British public. I believed that they were gonna bring taxes down. They were gonna get investment up. They were gonna do everything we needed to create a good economic drive. I anticipated that they were the voice for the British public. I believed that they were going to bring taxes down. They were going to get investment up. They were going to do everything we needed to create a good economic drive. And now I feel like they're a bunch of school children who are bitching about each other and should know better.

And it makes you feel annoyed because is this really what we're bothered about right now? Our country is falling into a billion pieces in front of our eyes. We can all see it. So could they just start gathering those pieces up and putting it back together instead of making it even more unstable?

Well, yeah, and as soon as they say, well, you wouldn't have passed vetting because you've said something on X. I mean, it's like- Well, we wouldn't have passed vetting, would we, Dan? None of us would. You and I, none of us would. They'd have had us strung up, wouldn't they? I mean, I wouldn't be there.

And I'm glad because you know what? Not passing the betting means that I actually have a personality and a belief system and it might not be in accordance with everybody else's values, but at least it's who I am. And by the way Emma, both of us will admit, we will have said stuff in the past that we don't necessarily think is correct today, right? We may have said a few things that we disagree with like from 10 years ago. But I mean, Stephen, honestly, people have been rejected from vetting. I honestly know of the case of one woman, top businesswoman, who was rejected from vetting

because she had shoplifted when she was 16 years old. Now she's decades on a very successful businesswoman to me that makes her story actually even more compelling which is why I hate the way Farage has spoken about James McMurdock in the past like well he's only here because we had no vetting. Actually look what James McMurdock did and he's the first to admit it as a teenager assaulting his girlfriend is one of the lowest things a human being can do but surely as a Christian society we should look at him now, a devoted husband, a proud dad who has for 20 years lived on the straight and narrow and turned his life around. I view it as a far more inspiring story and certainly not someone who should be thrust

out of society because actually we need to send a message that there is a way to turn our lives around. Oh, absolutely. Look, I'm with Anna. I would have her as an MP any day of the week. I would have you as an MP any day of the week. I know I'd enjoy being able to try and put to rights all the mistakes we've made on immigration, but none of us would pass the vetting of reform today. But we've got character, personality, knowledge, skills, and the ability to be able to handle those people in the civil service who would try and stop us from doing this. Why? Because we have a belief in a better Britain than

they do, and we're not ashamed and afraid of our country as they are and that comes down to a fundamental part of where reform are. If you're unwilling to accept Swaylor Braveman and Liz Truss in there is it because you're just frightened that they're just too good for you or capable and once again you want to be in control of who gets what and the fact that we now have Matt Goodwin looking at this too, who would make an excellent Home Secretary in at least understanding how it would work, then yes, I think they've got big problems. They do.

By the way, I'm told the poll for our greatest British and Union Jackass, when we do the poll of course in the YouTube live chat, is extremely close, I am told. So get your votes in while you still can. It's Heidi Alexander, Darren Jones, and who's the third? Bridget Phillipson, head to head.

So do get your votes in. It's super close, I am told today between all three of those Labour idiots. Breaking right now, Rupert Lowe has said that his new Restore Britain movement could end up taking over either the Conservative Party or Reform UK as a split emerges between him and Ben Habib over how to deal with the issue of Tommy Robinson. So we're going to

get into that all with my superstar panel, Ella Kenny and Stephen Wolf. But first let me take you through what Rupert has said about this potential reverse takeover. So the Mercian summed it up this way, just in an interview with the Sargon of Arcad, when asked how Restore Britain can take power, Rupert Lowe responds with a movement, all the options are on the table. Here is that interview. You can't quite see where it's going to go. I don't think we know exactly where it's going to go. But what I do know is with a movement, all the options are open. So we could do a reverse takeover of the Tory party, we could do a reverse takeover of the Tory party, we could do a reverse takeover of a form we might set up our own party, but that's a huge undertake.

Now, Stephen Wolfe, this is very interesting to me because I actually think Rupert is taking the right approach at the moment. I do. I think a lot of people are nervous about a new party, which is potentially just a vote splish, although I don't have those concerns. But I think it's quite a shrewd idea to say, look, at the moment, we're going to create a movement a bit like the Tea Party in America, which ended up via the MAGA movement taking over the Republican Party. And at this point, with so much crazy shit going on in our country, nothing is off the

table, right? Absolutely. Look, it's no kind of secret to know that I discussed with Rupert and Ben and a few others about the ideas of where they should go and what about a particular party and whether we should have a movement. And I fell down very firmly behind the view that we should have a movement, as you mentioned, very similar to that of MAGA or looking at the Italian movement that we had in the European Parliament that grew into a particular party. And the main point about that was you wanted to gather up people who had

a similar concept to an idea of where we want Britain to be and the problems that exist and how we solve them. And that's been beautifully dealt with by RUP at the moment by the list of all the issues that they're putting on their website and the concerns that it's going to go to the members to vote for them. The second element was to gather in Ghana power and influence from the numbers who join in it. Of course, you have a movement, if it reaches 200,000, that's the level of reform parties. And reformed membership is going down, by the way, going down about 10,000 a month at the moment. and the movement gets to a position, then you have influence in numbers to be able to put pressure on terms of the political parties on an agenda. But where Rupert is right, and you heard that about the reverse takeover of either reform or the Conservative Party, or, and really important with that third clause, if neither of that happens, to be able to move into a political party is because he recognizes that the power

doesn't change anything unless you have political power. So let's build a movement, get the size of the people around us, get the party strong enough to be able to move into one of those three options. And I think that is a far more sensible approach at the moment. But the time scale, this is the time scale, Dan, it's very clear that he only really has about a year in which to achieve this, because that comes into that very important three-year period before the next general election. And without candidates, without people being up there in the press, without the media understanding it, this will not succeed. This is not an eight-year project because the next election is the break or make for this country.

ALICE Oh, totally. But, Amar, I think at the moment, I don't know how you feel, but I definitely feel more comfortable with a movement rather than a political party because I feel like Reform UK as a political party has let me down time and again, since I voted for it. So I feel like a movement can maybe be more free to try and shift the Overton window. Yeah, I think that Rupert's a very, very shrewd player, really, I think he understands politics,

I think he understands people, and I think he understands where the energy is best spent. I think there's a hell of a lot of energy goes into creating a political party that then is going against other political parties where actually many of the people for example who are following reform would follow a movement that he was leading and would bring together people who might not follow reform but believe that he is somebody that they would wish to be involved with and believe what he's saying. So creating that level of trust in your community, and I'm talking about Britain as a community in this context, it's powerful. Like I said, you don't need masses of people to actually bring in new governments. People are so complacent

these days or so lost that they don't vote very often. So what you need to do is rouse those who have it within them to be passionate about change. And that change will be afforded best by people creating a movement that brings people who wouldn't necessarily be together together and then puts all of that energy into getting them to go in a particular direction. With that, there's hope. And I think it was so telling what was just said then about the idea of we only have this next election because if we don't get it right then our country really is going to the dogs more so than it is now and I think that you get to that point where there isn't a potential for change back and we need a potential

for change back if we're ever going to feel part of a country that is symbolic of success and thriving. And I think we've lost that recently, the last 10 years, definitely to 15 years, lost that passion and purpose. But then you have the Tommy Robinson question, okay, about where Tommy Robinson fits in. And interestingly, on this point, I'm more with Ben Habib and Advance UK than I am with Rupert Low. So I want to debate this, but first I want to show you quite clearly what both are saying. So this all came up as a result of two very brilliant interviews. Firstly, Carl Benjamin with Rupert Low. Secondly, Ben Habib with Liam Tufts on the dozen.

But here is Rupert Low sort of explaining the conundrum of Tommy Robinson. If I may, I'd like to ask you about Tommy Robinson, because he is intending to do a rally in September this year. And I think he's made it very public. He's asked you to appear. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I looked I praised Tommy Robinson for what he did on the rape gangs. And Gordon Rayner at The Telegraph got upset because I think he felt that was not justified and I don't agree with him. I think if somebody has done something valuable and has been proved correct, which Tommy Robinson has, you should give him credit

for that. I don't quite understand why the state has this pathological hatred for Tommy Robinson. I don't know much about him. I've never met him. I've never spoken to him. He's a nice enough guy. I don't know if I quite like him. I think he cares about his country, clearly. But all politicians seem to

want to avoid him like the plague. So I think from my point of view, I'm grateful for what he's done in that respect. I think what I want to do is unify and what I will do and I'm not, you're quite right, he's asked if I would speak, but I've got to do and work out what is the best course to unity, I think. Unity is the most important thing. We want to avoid division. Division is not going to help us now. Now it's interesting because you can see in Kyle Benjamin's face he's a big fan of Rupert Lowe

and he's been very respectful but he's just not convinced by that argument. So in a very respectful way he just pushes Rupert Lowe a bit. Watch. Why they hate Tommy Robinson so much because in, all of the nexus of this betrayal is made evident. He's become a kind of totemic figure for the working class to stand against the current paradigm and say, this is what you've done to us. And essentially, if they say, oh, okay, yeah, good point, then they admit that they're all culpable for all of the horrors that have been visited on the British people and

Tommy really is his crime is being correct about all of this and presenting it to I think it was in Luton wasn't it? He saw it happening in yes in one of his very early on Yeah, was was a victim of it and it he's become a kind of collective lightning rod. So I I totally understand that you're reluctant to be divisive over it because to the establishment he does represent the ghosts of all of the victims and so... I don't think we want to let the establishment divide and rule us. I therefore don't think we want to give them any ammunition with which to do that So I think we have to we have to be Sensible and Unifying yes, but I also that I and I I'm not trying to suggest that you should or shouldn't do anything

But I think that Allowing them to control What rallies you speak at is also playing into the divide and rule a little bit. So it's just something to think about. I'm not saying you should do anything or anything like that but and I'm not saying you know there's a time and a place for everything right and so you know I'm sure you'll make sensible decisions. I will listen to your wise council girl. I appreciate it. I'm sure you'll make sensible decisions but while this is

still a consideration, the establishment is still dividing and ruling us under that thing. So that's all I'll say on it. But Rupert Lowe's approach is chalk and cheese compared to Ben Habib when asked a very similar question by the great Liam Tufts. Tom Robinson was to say, 30th of September, I'd love you to come on stage, stand right beside me, by the great Liam Tufts. Why would I say no? Why would I say no? Give me a reason for saying no.

Because you lack testicular fortitude. Let's say I did lack testicular fortitude. I wasn't saying you do. No, no, no. But let's say that I did. What's the reason not to stand next to Tommy Robinson and speak at that rally? Why would I be afraid of speaking? Because of what, let's say, for for example Farage could then start branding you. What will he say? He could then start saying that your friends were far right racist that beats up women. He could start doing all that nonsense. Yeah and that's why we must fight fearlessly for

freedom of speech. Okay Stephen Wolf, Emma Keddie, that was fascinating, wasn't it? It really was fascinating because two very different approaches. Emma Keddie, who are you feeling there? Ben Habib sort of diving in or Rupert Lowe saying, oh no, this is a decision I've got to be careful with. So my heart goes absolutely with Ben Habib because what he's talking about there is being courageous and in spite of people's differences, the belief being that we have one common centric value, which is to bring the UK together. I also understand Rupert from a psychological perspective, which is he wants to get as many people on the side to change the way that this system is going to run. And therefore

he wants to kind of drag those people who would be kicking and screaming against Tommy Robinson into that kind of fold. But for me, the thing about Tommy Robinson is whether you love him or hate him, you have to be honest about what he's been talking about for many, many years. It's true. And also he's been willing to have the courage of his convictions to a point where he was taken from his family and imprisoned for something that you and I would never have been imprisoned for. Although maybe Danny would have imprisoned you and me these days. Right. So I think that my heart definitely goes with Hibby because I think what he's saying there is we have to be brave. We have to be courageous in spite of those who will put us in the public domain as racist, et cetera. And isn't it ironic that somebody like Benabeib will stand with Tony Robinson and actually speak that truth and they're completely

different ethnicities but they have one common goal which is to bring us together and to protect the UK. Stephen Wolfe, who are you with on this? Rupert Lowe? Well I think I have to be with Ben on this because there's a couple of points about this. What is Rupert is trying to assess is unfortunately one of the nasty characteristics of British culture and that is snobbery. When he says he wants to unify and in the same breath he's talked about the fact that we need to potentially take over the Conservative Party, is he's dealing with elite snobbery over the working class? And where Carl is absolutely right is that Tommy Robinson is totemic towards the working class and the vast majority of the white workers.

I'm not talking about those who lead Unite who say we love the working class and we understand the working class. They just clearly don't. They haven't done for generations. What they understand is supporting Palestine or looking at the interest of migrants welcome rather than the costs and impact of mass migration, such as one of those issues that Tommy picked up on and understood and pursued to his own detriment about child grooming gangs. And when you've got snobbery, it's the snobbery of the journalists from the Telegraph,

who refuses to accept the important role that Tommy Robinson did in bringing this as an issue to the public and is accepted by that. So the fact that Tommy Robinson is an important totemic white male working-class individual goes against a grain of all of those people in this country who hold snobbery very much and even those who've made it from the working class into those elites will go, oh gosh, that could have been me. I might have to sit down next to them. Isn't that awful? It will remind me of the background I escaped from. It doesn't remind me of my background. It reminds me exactly of what happens in people in our country when we're led astray and ignored. And so therefore,

Rupert has to consider it very carefully where he wants to move. But I don't think we should allow the elites to divide us by taking out the picture someone who is so vital to the message of where the working class goes in the future. ALICE Yeah, and I reckon Rupert will come around. I really, really do. The thing I love about Rupert is he's listening. You could see he was really interested in what Carl Benjamin was saying to him. And I think he will come around on this. Now look, before we go, I've got to say big congratulations to Emma Kenny. Just look at this, Emma, this was incredible. You are the public's choice at CrimeCon for best true crime influencer and your true crime channel on YouTube

is exploding by the day. So I thought that's what I would be congratulating you for, right? And then I got a super chat through from the incredible Alex Marmon, who wrote, many congratulations to Emma Ken Kenny on becoming a mum. Again, recently, I hope the newborn is doing well. So pleased for her and her family. And I was like, is this true? Like, have I missed something? I feel like a terrible friend. What is going on?

And Emma, yes, I had no idea. I had no idea. So Ella Gray and oh, wow. I mean, I mean amazing. Congratulations. You're incredible. Thank you. I'm 630, but I've still had two more children at my age.

So yeah, I've got four children now, 22, 22 and 11 days. And it's amazing. And also I would like it to be known that I think we've got the world record for getting my child registered and getting a passport within eight days That's how desperate to leave the UK for a little bit of time to work over in Italy Where here it seems that the Prime Minister actually knows what her people want So at the end of the day I've run to the place that reminds me of a Britain that one day we wish to create

Let's see that happening in the next few years. Please God. I think you're incredible because you just did all of this like over the past nine months without even letting me know that you were pregnant. I think it just shows you're a... Well actually someone said it here. Holly Ray said in reply to your post on X, I swear you're Wonder Woman and I actually think she has summed it up best. So Emma Kenny, you're absolutely wonderful. Stephen Wolf, obviously always love having you and we can see much more from Stephen on the Lotus Eaters of course. And I love having both of you as part of Outspoken. Thank you both so much and congratulations again

Emma. Isn't that amazing? Isn't that amazing? I literally had no idea. Okay, Greatest Britain Union Jackass time in just one moment, but first let's get to your feedback. Becker Steven Thompson says, only we can save this country now. We have no one else whom we can trust or support. Julie Key says, this government needs to act and act now before there's a real revelation in this country. From Mellie, the area I live in is slowly changing. I moved here to get away from all of the trouble and it's happening here now. But John Patrick Smith has a slightly different take, I'm sorry, but France is directly responsible. We have to deal tough with France. First, send their boats back. Second, ban the sale of all French products, third cut all military and political ties. Honestly, I'm totally with you on that John, they are an enemy state.

The Little Rabbit says national emergency needs actions, not words and platitudes from our disgusting government. And Scotty John says the simple fact is, this government could stop the boats whenever they want. They just choose not to. If the Navy was intercepting them and returning every single boat, they'd soon stop, give the order. I totally agree. I totally agree. They don't really want to stop the boats.

You know, Karen McGiffen has been saying that for years. Okay. Greatest Britain Union Jackass. Now a reminder of your Union Jackass nominees. Heidi Alexander nominated by Michael 823, the Labour Transport Secretary, for her stupid naive plans for installing charging points on our roadsides and all for £35 million, yet she hasn't an EV. Darren Jones nominated by Annette Woutemouth, as he cannot define what a modest income is and he's only first secretary to the Treasury and Bridget Phillipson the education secretary

for being vile to children heading for state school overload. And this was a very close one today, very close, one of our closest in a while actually. So in third place the education secretary Bridget Phillipson with 31% of the vote, the runner-up Heidi Alexander the Transport Secretary, but for that car crash LBC interview that I showed you earlier in the show Darren Jones is today's Union Jackass and today's Greatest Briton nominated by OJMC 42 MC 42, Princess Catherine, the Princess of Wales for putting up with everything, including her in-laws. And I have to say, weren't those scenes at Wimbledon over the weekend just absolutely amazing because you think to this time a year ago, and Catherine was obviously

struggling because she was just at the tail end of her cancer treatment. She took Charlotte with her almost as a protection and I really felt like at Wimbledon this weekend we saw Katherine shine. We saw William shine, we saw George shine, we saw Charlotte shine and it was so lovely. Of course totally overshadowed by the duplicitous duo from Montecito. And I've got so much to say about this leak. I'm actually gonna reveal where this leak came from of these peace talks. That's in the after show. Coming up, we're gonna team up with the Royal News Network

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