Dan Wootton Outspoken - FARAGE IN MEGA U-TURN ON MASS DEPORTATIONS AS REFORM UK "S***ING THEMSELVES" OVER REVOLT

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. A mega Nigel Farage mass deportation U-turn as Reform UK sources tells me the party is, er, “sugaring themselves” over the growing pressure coming from Rupert Lowe and disaffected members. In his Digest, Dan delivers the inside story on the growing civil war within the party – and whether Nigel has done enough to win back the right just one week from critical local elections. Then he’s joined by the Superstar Panel: Conservative commentator and former UKIP Deputy Leader Rebecca Jane and Don Keith, a political commentator and independent journalist who is host of The Real Beef with Don Keith and a contributor to Urban Scoop who describes himself as “a massive supporter of a free British people”. PLUS: As their marriage troubles return to focus, Lady Victoria Starmer is said to have done a Michelle Obama with her latest disappearing act. We’ll hear from Barack’s unhappy wife for the first time on her decision to stop appearing in public with the former President. AND: Reform UK supporter and GB News host Matt Goodwin is left speechless after being challenged on Tommy Robinson. We’ll show you the extraordinary encounter. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle goes public in New York, turning a despondent Prince Harry into the spare again during a truly bizarre new interview, which she used to purposely steal focus from Prince Louis’s seventh birthday. We’re going to show you all the lowlights and get analysis from royal YouTube sensation According2Taz. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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sugaring themselves, you know what I mean, over the growing pressure coming from Rupert Lowe and disaffected members. As a result, Nigel has gone from saying this on GB News a few months ago. It's a political impossibility to deport hundreds of thousands of people. We simply can't do it. ...to this new position today. It is our intention, ultimately, that if you've come illegally, you should not be able to stay. You should not be able to make a spurious claim

that somehow your right to a family life means you should stay here. We will, in three to four weeks' time, announce more detailed policy on how we will actually carry out those deportations. We'll do that after the election, but I make the intention very, very clear. So we have lots of insight today into the growing civil war within Reform UK. And we'll ask whether Nigel Farage has done enough to win back the right just one week from critical local elections. And with me today, my superstar panel, the Conservative commentator and former UKIP deputy leader, Rebecca Jane. And there he is joining us for the first time, Don Keith, a political commentator and independent journalist who is host of The Real Beef with Don Keith. He is

also a contributor to Urban Scoop and a massive supporter of a free British people, which is what we need. Also coming up on the show today, as their marriage troubles return to focus, Lady Victoria Starmer is said to have done a Michelle Obama with her latest disappearing act. We're actually going to hear from Barack's unhappy wife for the first time on her decision to stop appearing in public with the former president. It's fascinating. And Reform UK supporter and GB News host Matt Goodwin is left speechless after being challenged over Tommy Robinson. I'm going to show you that extraordinary encounter plus we'll get reaction from Don Keith who conducted it all. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Meghan Markle goes public in New York turning a despondent Prince Harry into the spare again

during a truly bizarre new interview, which she used to purposefully steal focus from Prince Louis' seventh birthday. So we're going to show you all the lowlights, but don't worry, we're going to make it fun because we're going to pick it to pieces with the royal YouTube sensation, according to Taz. And trust me, we have a lot to go on. www.outspoken.live is where you can sign up for my sub stack. Please do so. By the way, you can sign up completely for free. And it's a really important way to protect me from cancellation by big tech. Before the end of the show, we'll also be revealing today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass as ever, the nominees for Union Jackass chosen by you. And they are John Swinney,

the Scottish First Minister nominated by Just Margaret One. And she says it's for his daftest, wokest, most rotten idea yet. Now, if you didn't hear about this, I haven't covered it because it's just so, so insane. That's the only word. John Swinney has been hosting a political conference in Scotland about the rise of the far right. Ed Miliband, nominated by Mel Weller III because of his two-tier electric pricing and yet another conference of waffle. And this is in regards to an interview he did this morning on Sly News, which I'll show you later. And nominee three, Rachel Reeves from Real McCass, because he says she is gleefully torching the records with a £21 billion borrowing blunder. Great choices for you today. Let me know what you think throughout the show as well. I will read the best comments

at the end and the worst. Please do attack me, as I always say. I'm very up for that as well. And of course, we'll also reveal the greatest Britain at the end of the show as well. But now, let's go. So the poll just out from Find Out Now shows Reform UK charging to an eight-point lead over both Labour and the Conservatives just one week out from these critical local elections. And Nigel Farage is vowing online that he'll be eating the Tories for breakfast. So what on earth is behind the party's mega U-turn today on mass deportations? Now you all know much of the chagrin of many in the party, including its

former Tory chairman, Zia Youssef. I have been tracking, honestly, this lurch to the left because I'm an independent journalist and I'm not a propagandist for any political party. And you'll remember a lot of this started with this interview on GB News. It was a few months ago between Stephen Edgington and an increasingly tetchy Farage. It's a political impossibility to deport hundreds of thousands of people. We simply can't do it. At the moment, it's a political impossibility. But is it your ambition?

No. I'm not going to get dragged down the route of mass deportations or anything like that. People are always going to come and go. And we are a country that's engaged in international trade. And we have relationships around the world through the Commonwealth, etc. But yeah, we have to aim at a balanced migration policy. But net zero still means hundreds of thousands of people coming into Britain, immigrants coming into Britain. Isn't that too many?

It may well be, but we have to start somewhere. As Trump says in America that he wants mass deportations, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are in Britain at the moment. Some estimates say the number could even be in, you know, a million plus. So do you support deporting all of those people? It's impossible to do. Literally impossible to do. In terms of the atmosphere in Britain, are you concerned that there is a rising level of anti-white hatred? I'm just concerned about a deeply divided society. But today, with the party increasingly in revolt since Rupert Lowe was reported to the

police, putting Youssef's position under the microscope, Farage toughened up. This Labour government claim they've increased deportations, but all they've done is to send away visa overstayers and those who are happy to voluntarily return, often with £3,000 in their pocket. We will appoint, we will demand, this government does the same, that there is a minister for deportations. It will be part of the Home Office, but it will be a separate department within it. We will need to recruit new people, as much of the evidence is that those that currently work in the Home Office would willfully obstruct policy if we won the next general election. But somebody somewhere in government needs to be held accountable. And without explicitly saying mass deportations, he suggested a tough new policy would be coming within a month of Election Day.

It is our intention, ultimately, that if you've come illegally, you should not be able to stay. You should not be able to make a spurious claim that somehow your right to a family life means you should stay here. We will, in three to four weeks' time, announce more detailed policy on how we will actually carry out those deportations. We'll do that after the election, but I make the intention very, very clear here today. We will bring a total end, a total end, to all asylum claims from people who've come here on travel visas or who are overseas students. We will demand the deportation of all foreign criminals. And for those who come to Britain and who are granted citizenship, that will be regarded as a legally binding contract, just as it is in Australia and elsewhere.

We welcome you in if you make those pledges to us, but you actually have to obey the law. Okay, so he didn't use the term mass deportation, but you will see that is a significant change of rhetoric at least. But can we trust him? Given this was the guy who pledged a rape gang inquiry very recently only to U-turn and leave it to Rupert Lowe to crowdfund for. Well, his arch rival says no way, as you may not be surprised, posting on X, this is Rupert Lowe. Just say in plain English, you'll deport every

illegal migrant in the UK. You can't because you won't. We don't need clever wordplay. We need deportations. And you'll only tell us your super secret policy plan after the election. Of course, we won't get fooled again. Edgington, however, is more open to the possibility of genuine change. His reaction on X was this. My question to Nigel Farage last year that started this whole debate was simple. Should every illegal immigrant in the UK be deported? It appears reform have partly U-turned, coming closer to saying yes than before. The only alternative to mass deportations is mass amnesty. So as you can imagine, I asked a Reform Insider today what was going on. And they said, to be blunt, HQ is shitting themselves. It's a direct response

to what Rupert Lowe is doing. And I'm going to be honest with you, because I have to be. And remember, I am someone who said I'd still be voting for Reform UK next week in the local elections. At the moment, they remain the best choice. But there are worrying signs about this new leftward shift within the party. So look at this. From the Daily Mail today, Reform UK council candidate helps Nigerian get UK study visas while Nigel Farage demands crackdown and blasts UK universities for being drunk on foreign money. So the newspaper reported that this guy called Christopher Adigoki, who is standing as reforms candidate for the Hucknall West Ward on Nottinghamshire County Council, is a director at the Nigerian-based firm K02 Educational Services, a placement agent for international students. Now, again, he's working within the law.

That's fine. But you can understand that this is a very odd position, given that the party is getting rid of anyone who has even posted once on X saying, Tommy Robinson is a political prisoner. So I wouldn't be able to be a candidate for Reform UK. As you know, I would never want to be, never want to be a candidate for any political party. I'm a journalist through and through, but you understand my point. And Nigel Farage did admit today during that immigration press conference that the so-called professionalisation of the party has resulted in serious fault lines, especially given good people are being thrust out for simply having posted the C or F word online. Watch. How would you answer those members who fear that that process is actually taking the party away from its heart and soul? Well look I mean

hundreds of people who applied to be candidates for the county council elections were rejected. Rejected often because of repeated use of words beginning with F and C on social media. And, you know, that might be the way you talk to your mates in the pub, but frankly, you're chucking might be the way you talk to your mates in the pub, but frankly, you're chucking it out on Facebook or X. It really is something that's going to come back and bite you. Others, because they just said things that were just ridiculous, outrageous, embarrassing.

So professionalising the party had to be putting in, you know, a vetting system that was as good, if not better, than the other parties. And, yes, that has upset some people. Get hats? I mean, it has. Do you remember my reporting from a few weeks ago that a brilliant female businesswoman had been rejected from standing for Reform UK because she had a shoplifting conviction from when she was 16 years old. And so it does feel like there is a purge in the party of a lot of true believers, a lot of people who will be watching this show. And in an eviscerating column for the Daily Express today, ex-Reform parliamentary candidate Richard Thompson claims that Nigel has betrayed everything the party stood for. Now, I want to

take you through some of his article. And this is really for the people who say, well, isn't reform just the best, worst option? We've just got to go with reform for that reason. Now, that might be true at the local elections. But remember, we've got four years before a general election. I think it's important that you understand his disenchantment and why. So this is what Richard Thompson wrote in part for the Express. He said, there was a time when Reform UK gave real hope to the British people, a time when it looked like someone finally had the backbone to stand up to the Westminster cartel and put the hardworking people of Great

Britain first. That movement ignited because it championed truth, integrity and the will of the people, not tired party politics. Let's be clear, Nigel Farage has betrayed everything it stood for. When Nigel swooped in at the 11th hour to quote save reform, many were optimistic, but that hope quickly curdled into disillusionment. Under Farage's leadership, reform has drifted into the swamp of establishment politics. All slick spin, no substance, and zero courage. The shameful treatment of Rupert Lowe is the clearest example yet. Journalist Dan Wooten has claimed that Nigel Farage knew that claims Rupert was suffering from dementia alleged to have been leaked by the party were untrue.

Whatever the truth of this, Farage stood by while Reform UK, under the thumb of Zia Yusuf, smeared him in the most disgraceful manner. This was political assassination designed as due process. There's no integrity in that. It's everything the public despises about the political class. The fallout from that episode has sent shockwaves through the grassroots. Long-standing members, activists and officers have been left reeling, not just at the smear campaign itself, but at the party's total failure to stand by one of its own. Morale has collapsed. There is a widespread sense of betrayal, and it's no surprise. So you can understand in that context why Nigel Farage has made the decision just one week

before the local elections to U-turn on his insistence that mass deportations were impossible. However, at the same press conference, he did insist that reform will not move in the direction of Germany's AFD or the national rally in France. Let's watch. or the national rally in France. Watch. For those that want to drag me into a political direction that perhaps some of the political parties in Europe are at or are headed to, then you know what? I'm not for budging. I'm not for shifting. I've always said this will be a non-sectarian, non-racist political party. That's how it was founded. That's what it'll be. I don't get budged on that, not even by very, very rich men who own motor car companies.

Thank you very much. OK, to respond now, let me bring in today's superstar panel and i am delighted to have one of our favorites returning to outspoken the conservative commentator former deputy leader of ukip rebecca jane and as i said joining us for the first time host of of The Real Beef with Don Keith. It is Don Keith, of course, a contributor to Urban Scoop. So, Rebecca Jane, do you trust Farage on this mass deportation U-turn today? Who the heck? Why on earth would I trust him? He, no, He's doing what all

politicians do, isn't he? He's doing that thing where we're coming up to elections, so he's going to feed everybody what they want to hear. And, you know, he'll navigate away from all his beliefs and all of his principles just to obtain votes. Unfortunately, that is what Nigel is doing, because that's what he

does best. Don Keith, what do you think? Yeah, I what Nigel is doing because that's what he does best. Don Keith, what do you think? Yeah, I think Nigel Farage has become quite the political chameleon. You know, he kind of goes where the winds go. And I really think that until he saw the way the election in America and other directions that politics are going in other parts of the West, he was he was very content to stay on the left side of the fence, whereas now I think he's he kind of gets he's he's reading the tea leaves and he sees that things are going to the right and going more conservative again. You know, he started out. I like his I don't want to say I

like it, but I agree with what he said about it's not politically possible to mass deport folks. But it's only politically impossible now because of the current government that's in control with the Labour government. However, there are plenty of mechanisms within UK law that would allow for the mass deportation of especially illegal immigrants and even some of those who have been naturalized and who may be deemed as a security threat. You have the Immigration Act of 1971, the Counterterrorism and Border Security Act of 2019, and the Nationality and Borders Act of 2022. All of these acts combined provide a mechanism, if you give them, that allows really your home secretary to deport all of these folks without any due process. So it may be politically impossible right now with the Labour government,

but it's not technically and legally impossible with the right people in power. That's why elections are so important. Rebecca Jane, what do you think about the fact that it now seems to be acceptable within Reform UK to be a candidate that believes in reparations for slavery, that wants to work with Nigerian immigrants. But if you have said, for example, I think Tommy Robinson is a political prisoner, or use the F word and the C word, you're thrust out. That's, I think, what, fascinatingly, the journalists from Reuters seem to be getting at, not usually the type of person who you'd think would be on the side of Reform UK, when she suggested earlier today that the heart and soul was being ripped out of the party. And that's where the unhappiness comes from. Yeah, I mean, you know, let's call it as we see it. Nigel left UKIP because he didn't like the structure of UKIP he didn't like the board he didn't like

having to answer to people so he cleared off he made his own party he sat in the shadows of reform whilst Richard Tice well almost sent it under actually because he obviously wasn't very popular and then obviously when Nigel came out that's when they've now had this massive um rise so Nigel did all of that because he didn't want to answer to people he wanted to do what Nigel wanted to do and what is currently happening with the reform situation and the chopping and the changing and them deciding on you know what they stand for this week and what they're going to stand for next week is all born out of that behavior from Nigel he he won't it's his party that's it and this is what obviously what ben habib sort of went into

and everything else that unfolded with that situation this is nigel's party whatever he decides tomorrow could be a complete opposite change to what they're doing today that will what be what they do and that's what's going to keep on happening and that's what ben's spoken out about and ben is not wrong that what needs to happen with reform is they need to be more democratic because they're not the one man's party and what he wants and what he believes and that is what is going to stay as long as they stay in this format so yes of course this week he doesn't like rupert lowe and he doesn't like a whole number of other people and certain things that certain people say the man does not stand on his principles sorry not sorry actually

sorry not sorry i mean donkey this must be an interesting one for you because of course your big connection to the uk is through tommy robinson and nigel has been pretty negative about him i mean he sort of vaguely said while he was in the u.s for cpac that actually it wasn't the right thing that he was in solitary confinement but that's been it and there seems to be this real line that faraj has in his own head at least that he always has to keep a very, very distinct boundary between whatever party he's in, be it UKIP, be it the Brexit Party, now Reform UK and Tommy Robinson. Yeah, you know, that was Urban Scoop's own Vicky Richter that got that soundbite. Yes, I remember.

So shout out to her for getting that from him. But, you know, and I said yesterday or the day before with Matt Goodwin, when I was speaking with him, I completely understand his strategy and his frame of mind, even though I don't agree with it, of distancing himself from Tommy Robinson. I think even Tommy understands that. And Tommy has by no means ever even asked to be accepted by reform. What Tommy wants is reform to recognize the working class, the problems that the working class people have in Great Britain. And if Nigel reform could pay a little bit more attention to them and speak out about issues that affect them, Tommy's happy to stay in the background and not have, you know, and, you know, Tommy on many occasions has extended an olive branch to reform, only to be, have it batted down by Nigel Farage on various occasions.

But, you know, there's a difference between distancing yourself from someone and not endorsing them and telling blatant lies about them. You know, Tommy, Nigel brought up the, as I said, that accused Tommy of being, of assaulting a woman, just a blatant lie brought up out of nowhere. And anytime the media asked Nigel about Tommy, rather than just saying, you know, no comment, I don't want to talk about Tommy, he continues to throw him, use these opportunities to throw him under the bus. What he needs to realize is that Tommy has a massive following in the working class. And until he recognizes, I don't think he's going to do as well as he thinks he's going to do as long as he continues to bash Tommy Robinson.

Well, of course, there was a famous comment wasn't there that lot. That was how Richard Tice described Tommy Robinson supporters and Rebecca Jane I mean look you had to try and deal with this issue while you were the deputy leader of UKIP too because every right-wing party in the United Kingdom seems to be torn to pieces on the whole concept of should we welcome Tommy Robinson in but I would argue that the Orton window has just really moved on this subject since his imprisonment, which is clearly just so wrong on so many levels, morally wrong, politically wrong, ethically wrong. the world's richest man, currently a senior member of the Trump administration, weighing in. It's a bit like you can no longer suggest that he's some type of fringe figure, Tommy Robinson.

No, no, no, no. He's not a fringe figure by anybody's stretch of the imagination. He's not. And yeah, it was, you know, that, oh gosh, the Tommy Robinson conversation the Tommy Robinson problem for me at UKIP was very much prominent from the get-go um and I it was something that I grappled with actually because ultimately there's a lot of things that Tommy says and does that I don't like and I don't agree with and I don't want to be associated to it and so obviously you know that that stance of there's one thing of saying that

I don't want to associate with this and I don't want to be part of it but there's another thing where you want to just bash somebody for the attention and that is what Nigel is doing with it isn't it you know he he could just let it he could let it go he could be quite favorable to Tommy but he's not because it gets more attention, whether it's good or whether it's bad. It's like a bad toddler, isn't it? If you give him bad attention, it's still attention. So that's part of the problem for me.

But Tommy, my issue with it was, I don't like a lot of what he stands for, but equally, who the heck are we to judge anybody for whatever they believe and whatever they think? Because Tommy is really prominent now, you know know and he has been for quite some time there's a lot of people who agree with him so if we want to stand out there and we want to say we don't like this we don't agree and I won't I won't support it you're all oh goodness gracious are we actually showing that again um but you are actually you know you're for goodness sakes, Dan, you're separating yourself from the people that are voting for you.

That's better. You're casting judgment on people for their opinions and for who they want to support. We shouldn't cast judgment and opinions on anybody. Are you done with the pictures now? Yeah, I'm done with them. I'm done with them. Don't worry.

I look significantly better than I do right now. You look absolutely stunning always rebecca jane always and it's so lovely can i ask rebecca a question please come and done what what is something tommy said that you don't agree with you said you don't agree with everything he's he's said what what's examples of that yeah i know and it's a really fair question and this is why i don't like delving into this because i can't specifically give you actual things that he said it is it's more about the case always it's all and it is always going to be the case and it is you know and one of my issues with when obviously

i was deputy leader of uk it was i got tarnished with that brush all the time anytime anybody asked me what i did that told them what i did they were like oh yeah that tommy robinson racist party i'm like no that's not even that's not even a thing that was never a thing and i had it all the time and there are there's some interviews that he's done and as the context of the whole and the things that he's spoken about um muslims and and i understand where tommy's coming from i really do but as a whole and the things that you've spoken about um muslims and and i understand where tommy's coming from i really do but as a whole of the things that i've watched i'm like i can't quite get on board with that but if you'd asked me to give you some examples before we went on

air i love i've done my research and i got it for you but as a whole it's just there's a lot of things that i'm just not on board with but i can't give you specifics today yeah but that's kind of par for the course with anybody if you ask them what's tommy said when they go on they say i don't agree with everything tommy said okay well give me one example nobody can ever give you an example well tommy's a racist give me one example of something racist yeah no i don't think that can ever ever do that. Give me something you said about Islam or Muslims that might be determined racist, something that you don't agree with. You don't agree with them, not, you know, the mass rape of the young girls in Britain. You don't agree with the fact that 68% of Muslim women don't work.

They have six to eight kids that are supported by the state and have free housing, 3,000 mosques in Great Britain, 130 Sharia courts. I mean, do you agree with all that or not? Because that's the only thing Tommy is saying. So i don't see how anybody can not agree but what so often happens though is that these figures are presented as bogeymen especially in the british media and the same thing has happened with katie hopkins and something that I have been really big on since I've entered the independent world is to hell with this thing of, oh, I don't agree with everything this person says, but you actually don't even have to put that as a caveat anymore. And certainly I don't agree with everything that anyone says. That's the whole reason that we have these debates.

But I do think the way that Tommy Robinson has been presented in the British media for such a long time is the reason why there is this total fear, and you still see it with Nigel Farage, this total desire to just distance, distance, distance all the time. And actually, at some point, I believe in the independent media explosion, part of what you're doing, Don, will be a part of this, will change that. Breaking right now, Nigel Farage has responded to that revolting St. George's Day Downing Street speech by Slippery Starmer, where he decided to talk about the so-called riots after the Southport massacre and the fact that there are terrible people on the far right who are apparently trying to hijack our national flag. And Nigel, I think, actually did sum up the reason that Starmer is doing what he's doing pretty well.

He claims that Starmer wants to paint this picture of the far right being full of skinheads. And you know what type of image that conjures up. And he also accused him of being obsessed with the far right. Watch. Last night in number 10, the prime minister said, didn't he, that the battle for the flag is important. He referred to the riots in Southport and talked about the St. George's flag. He said we need to wrench it out of the hands of those who wish to divide this nation and reclaim it for good. What did he mean by that? Why is he linking fighting with the English flag? His obsession with

the so-called far right comes through in almost everything he says and does. And here it is again. Here it is again. And he's really saying, well, the flag is just the preserve of skinheads and we can't allow that. He's trying to say we're all English, but we don't want to allow those groups to have it for themselves. Too late, Prime Minister. Too late. We're there already. We're there already. We're out and proud as English,

and as I say, we've got Welsh and Scottish and the other things that make up our party. They are scared. They know that there is a patriotic, old Labour, what we used to call working class, in the Midlands and the north of England who are increasingly attracted by what reform has to say. They are in full panic mode.

Morgan McSweeney is trying to pivot the Labour Party in a different position. My superstar panel return, Don Keith and Rebecca Jane. Rebecca, I was actually physically sickened by Starmer deciding that it was a really good opportunity on St George's Day to talk about Southport and by the way, to completely rewrite history. But isn't it also slightly interesting because yes, Starmer is obsessed with the far right, but isn't Nigel also a little bit obsessed with what he believes is the far right and is almost playing into Starmer's hands by constantly trying to distance himself from the far right? Wouldn't it just be a much better and a much

stronger position for Nigel to say, there is no far right in the United Kingdom? It doesn't exist. You're talking about our supporters, Reform UK supporters, who are actually good, honest, hardworking patriots, who just a few years ago, Rebecca, would have been described as being on the centre right, or actually, in a lot of cases, amongst working class folk, on the left. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

There's one thing about politicians, they're all obsessed with themselves. And like I said, they're all obsessed with attention. And again, it's that thing that he's doing where it's just creating more drama and more headlines of what soundbites can I throw out to get a bit more attention today. It's exhausting and it's ridiculous. I'm sick to death of hearing about far right actually because i think that this far right business is just a load of nonsense i get called far right all the time it's the most ridiculous thing that i've ever heard i feel very sent also why do we try and categorize people why do we not just let them say what they

are themselves instead of you're this you're that clear off leave me alone start um oh Keir Starmer I can't cope with the guy we know that he's he's the worst prime minister we've ever had we knew that that was going to be the case he's proving it time and time again and he needs to just shut up about the flag business because what is wrong with being proud to be British he makes it he Keir Starmer makes it unpopular to love your country. That's what he does. And he won't be happy until he succeeds. The only problem is he's not succeeding and he's not going to succeed, I hope.

The thing is, Don, he's also completely intellectually dishonest. And he has told blatant lies when it comes to southport for example because if you look at axel ruda cabana who killed those three young girls in a terror attack we're constantly being told oh no no he's he's a christian i mean initially we were led to believe look at that picture on the left oh oh, sorry, on the right, Don, that he was some type of Welsh choir boy. Well, actually, it was my conversation with Tommy Robinson in HMP Woodhill, which was able to provide confirmation of the fact that he had converted to Islam and was practicing as a Muslim behind bars.

But really, that should hardly be a surprise, given the scumbag had an al-Qaeda training manual in his bedroom. Yet I think so much of what's going on these days, Don, is like information control. We're constantly and consistently being lied to, and it's about trying to keep us down, trying to not let us be concerned about the reality of what is really happening to our country. Yeah, that's right. You know, the left have become masters of indoctrination. They've been doing it for a long time now. And the

Ruta Cubana thing, we saw that here in America in the Trayvon Martin case where they used these images of him as a 10, 11-year-old boy when he was 18 or 19, a young man. He looked very, very, very different at the time. They had all kinds of details about him, too. We still haven't gotten to the bottom, as far as I know, of the Ruta Cubana case. Where are his parents from? Why were they here? What were their political ideologies? Was there any connection to Rwandan genocide that I've seen a lot of reports about

on social media? So I'd still like to get to the bottom of that and know what happened with that Ruta Cabana deal and where exactly his roots originate. Of course, there's so much that we don't know. There's so much that we don't know about his parents and about whether they should face criminal investigation, or perhaps they are, but we can't talk about it because there's all of these ludicrous contempt of court laws. It's so shocking the degree that the establishment will use. Well, you can. You certainly can where you are. And in fact, I don't. I'm serious, Don. More and more and more. I talk about the really shocking possibility that quite soon for me to be able to broadcast a show which is telling the truth about what's really happening in the UK. It is highly possible that like pirate radio back in the 70s, I will have to broadcast offshore. I'll have to potentially broadcast.

You can do the show and send it to me and I'll post it for you. Sadly, the way our legal system works, they can still drag me into court for that. But so it may actually come to the fact where I have to leave the country, which would be heartbreaking. It's something I don't want to do, but it just shows you the madness that we're dealing with. Rebecca, I just want to show you, sorry, I know it's painful,

but I just want to listen just to the most egregious part of Starmer's speech. Sorry. The day after the terrible Southport incident last year, I went up the next day to take the opportunity to shake the hands of the first responders. These were the police and the ambulance workers who had gone to the scene. By the time I got back to London that very day, we had people with these flags, throwing bricks at the very same police officers that I'd been shaking the hands of rebecca that's the second day i've shown it and i get more angry each time and i'm just gonna say it and the guy's a lying

bastard because i covered what happened that day he was heckled and he wasn't heckled by members of the far right rebecca he was heckled by the friends of people who had just seen their young girls stabbed to death. In one case, 150 times stabbed by this terrorist. And he was so gutless because he knew the truth at that point, but he was covering up the truth from the public. He was so gutless. He wasn't even prepared to have a conversation with them. Do you remember, he scarpered after literally seconds and went back to Downing Street to have a party, to attend a party. So he is actually just gaslighting us now with this narrative about the events. And of course, the first responders were not able to say anything honest to him because they were being professional, weren't they? They were being professional police

officers, professional ambulance officers. But the friends and the families and the Southport locals were desperate to talk to him because he knew we were not being told the truth about this scumbag. So I just think it's so shocking when we have a prime minister who is prepared to lie to that degree narcissist yes that's what that's what we're dealing with you know the first thing he kicks off with we're talking about one of the worst tragedies that that can happen and the first thing he kicks off with is, I, I went up to Southport. I'd bugger off. I can't remember if we can swear.

But I've just done it, sorry. I'm a bit too late for that. I've just called the guy a lying bastard. Yeah, so, well, either way. So he's a narcissist. He makes it all about himself. He knew darn well he was lying through his teeth at that point in time and not only that he was lying through his teeth to detract away from the fact that he knew what

was happening and he put all the blame on and i say us obviously i wasn't out rioting but us as a nation reflected very very strongly obviously about it the the place went up in flames the whole country went up in flames because of that incident because we knew we were being lied to because we're sick of being lied to it wasn't just that it's everything that has gone before and that man can there's not one honest bone in his body and he wants to make it all about him and all about what he did it's a load of nonsense and this is the point we've got the literal evidence also i don't really like how quickly it all went through the court systems and it all got dealt with and it all got shut down

we haven't actually made enough noise about that because we have political prisoners drags on for so long yeah and you know and it's all done and dusted with now and put in this nice little box no actually there were major failings we're being too quiet about it totally we need to we we need to never forget how they handled this and they really showed their true colors and for the future what else are we what else do we not know here here totally how can we ever trust anything they tell us again and i mean they're donkeys we're looking at some of the political prisoners julie sweeney a grandmother in jail for over two years because of a facebook post before that we saw lucy connelly a mother who was grieving a child who was killed by the British NHS. That is a fact.

She is in jail for over two years because of a post on X. And I think the worst, Don Keith, is Peter Lynch because Peter Lynch is dead. He is dead. And he was a political prisoner he was not responsible for violence i saw the body cam footage and that's what he did he held up a sign talking about the corruption of the deep state in this country, he was sentenced to a barbaric term and he is now dead. So I think Rebecca Jane is right, isn't she? We can't shut up about these people, Don Keith. No, absolutely not. You know, Peter Lynch is probably the best example of Keir Starmer's incompetence.

Peter Lynch is dead because of the system and because of this leftist government you have right now. But if you look at the totality of everything that has happened in this labor government, the things that Keir Starmer has overseen from failure on deportations, cutting the disability checks or attempting to cut the disability check, taking the winter funeral allowance from pensioners, bragging about locking up over 400 people for a social media post failing to to conduct a national inquiry into the rape of 250,000 to 500,000 young white british girls by predominantly muslim men this guy's incompetence is on par with joe biden's and joe biden had his age as an excuse what's what's kirstarmer's excuse for his income kirstarmer's excuse is evil actually that's the point it's true globalist evil and i repeat it's about control and he is desperate to just keep a lid on the anger throughout the country and rebecca jane i guess

what happened in those weeks after southport yeah he got what he wanted in the short term because people were too terrified to say anything. People were too terrified to post on social media, let alone go out in the streets because they knew that even if they were peacefully protesting, there was a chance that they would end up in prison for over three years. So yeah, it's worked for now. But I have a feeling when the election results come in this time, well, this time in eight days, I have a feeling this silenced majority, that's how I describe us. We are not silent. We are silenced. And I have a feeling, Rebecca, we're going to be very, very clear about how we feel about Starmer. I feel like we've been clear for a really long time, Dan, and I don't really feel like it's making any difference.

I have lost literally all hope. I have no hope whatsoever in any kind of politics in this country. I don't really have any hope in America america either so that's not an option um but i have no hope you know my only slight bit of hope i really like kemi baden like i think she's absolutely brilliant there's nothing about the labour party that i've ever supported and would ever support literally nothing actually reform sorry can't get behind nigel i like what the party stand for as a whole, but unfortunately I think he'd be a shockingly awful leader. So I have very, very little to no, little to no hope. Not no hope, little to no hope.

Okay, well, Kevin, you've mentioned Kemi Badenoch. I do just want to play you. By the way, I sort of agree with you on the hope thing, and that's heartbreaking, and that's why i believe we've got to keep talking and we can't just accept nigel saying all mass deportations are impossible for example and we have to consider alternatives like ben habib and rupert low like we we can't just say oh let's go with this current option we can't just say, oh, let's go with this current option. We can't just do that. But it was interesting, though, because Farage really responded hard against this leaked recording yesterday from Robert Jenrick over some type of deal between Reform UK and the Conservative Party.

Watch this. Robert the Remainer. Good old Robert, the man who's been on the Damascene road to Damascus. I mean, the Damascene conversion on the road to Damascus. You will see on May the 2nd that our biggest gains are going to be in Labour voting

areas. That is where we are making most impact. I would also tell you that the majority of our members and a big percentage of our voters at the last election were not voting Conservative because they loathed the Conservative Party. They could not put up with the level of betrayal that had happened since the 2019 80-seat majority.

If we were to even contemplate doing a deal, I mean, our voters would be revolted by it. Our party itself internally would be in revolt. And if I wanted to do a deal with you of any kind, I would shake your hand, look you in the eye and do that deal because I trusted you. I don't trust the Conservative Party in any way at all. And we are going to replace them. Doesn't he have a point about the Conservatives, Rebecca? I mean, I really like Robert Jenrick, for example, and I love everything Jenrick is saying, but i would really struggle to ever vote for the conservative party again after the betrayal of the past 14 years yeah listen i get it um i do

totally understand it but my one of my biggest issues with the conservative party was their previous leaders and that that was my biggest issue however what i want to say here about nigel and all of his big talk there about how he won't do this and he won't do that. Does anybody remember the Brexit party and what happened? Because even I got an absolute load of fallout from that situation because he obviously, he stood everybody down because he did do a pact. You know, and actually, there was a few conversations that I had with people who

were very senior in reform about us joining forces when I was doing the whole Unite Centre right business and I said to some people who ended up joining I said how can you do that with what he did with the Brexit party because I'm telling you now he's going to do the same again and he did it at the last minute and he will do it again I actually have no doubts because all he wants is the power and what happened was those senior people had to get a legal document from him that said that if they joined the party then he would not do a he would not do a deal and he wouldn't stand candidates down at the very last minute and I said that you might as well chuck that in the toilet because it means absolutely nothing and Nigel will do what do a deal and he wouldn't stand candidates down at the very last minute and i said that you might

as well chuck that in the toilet because it means absolutely nothing and nigel will do what nigel wants to do he's saying it now because he thinks it's going to get him more votes but when it comes to it and he realizes he's losing he will fold there will be a deal there will be a deal and actually and as i say i'm not ready to go all in for any party at this point. I don't think that's what we need to be doing. What we need to be doing is putting the pressure on any political figure on the right to go to where we need to be to save the country. Our borders are completely out of control. We have no free speech.

There are some fundamental issues here, and we can win if we keep the pressure up. The example I would use would be the Supreme Court ruling over what is a woman. That was something that was unthinkable just a few years ago. So I hear what Rebecca Jane is saying. It is very easy to lose hope. Some days I do, believe me. But we can also win. But we don't necessarily win by 100% backing a political party. We have to do what's right. And on the issue of trans extremism, doing what's right was eventually what took us to a place where we could completely change the political narrative. Breaking right now, growing fears for Lady Victoria Starmer. This is Keir Starmer's unhappy wife. The couple have been facing serious marriage difficulties over the shape of Starmer's secret family for many months. A story largely ignored by the mainstream media.

But sometimes a picture tells a thousand words. And I wanted to show you what one of my team put together today. Look at how it started when Victoria still had hope compared to how it's going now. There is absolutely no doubt that this woman is broken. She had disappeared from public view altogether for about six weeks. I, of course, said that the moment there was a focus on this online, Starmer would force her to become public again. And that is what happened at the St. George's Day event. But there are serious strains in this relationship. There are

serious strains in this marriage, that much is clear. We still don't know the full truth of what's going on because Starmer has worked in lockstep with both the judiciary and the mainstream media in order to claim that he has a private life. Let me bring my superstar panel back in now, Don Keith and Rebecca Jane. Rebecca, is it possible for a prime minister to say, you don't have the right to know my children's names or even how many children I have? And why is there, and this is, I guess, my biggest problem with this, Rebecca Jane, why is there such hypocrisy when it comes to the mainstream media? You'll remember the absolute obsession with Carrie Johnson and every single element of her relationship with Boris Johnson to the point

where The Sun was splashing on the fact that that had four arguments in a week and i think some married couples would say that's probably doing okay having four arguments in a week right that's pretty normal yet when it comes to starmer there's this total mainstream media lockdown yeah you know why there's a major lockdown because there's major secrets to be had that's why if there was nothing if there was nothing to be worried i say worried about if there was nothing to hide it would just be out there and there'd be no problems with it it's loads of nonsense you you're the prime minister for goodness sakes you you kind of know when you're going in for the job that you're not going to get to live this lovely little quiet life you know harry and megan style let me marry into the royal family and then say i need a quiet life lord of nonsense you're not going to be the prime minister and get a

quiet life you're signing up for it it's part of the job so if you don't want that side of it and you don't want to be fully transparent with people shocker um don't do it go you know go and be an accountant no don't go and be an accountant because you'd be terrible at that as well like well maybe better than maybe better than rachel from accounts i mean look i do understand what you're saying when it comes to him obviously i do have more sympathy when it comes to her but the problem that i've got is that he is prepared to use his family as a political weapon when he feels it's expedient for him to do so, Rebecca Jane. So for example, recently, when it came to this whole ridiculous adolescence Netflix obsession, which again,

was another psyop all designed to say, young white boys are bad, etc et cetera. When it came to that, he was incredibly happy to talk about his young children and to say that they were watching this series. Or I'll give you another example, Rebecca Jane, when he was under the pressure because he had to admit that he had taken Lord Ali's Mayfair penthouse to stay in, which raised a whole load of issues. At that point, he was prepared to throw his teenage son under the bus and say oh no it was because my son needed to study for his gcses so i feel like he's more than happy to bring his family into the political conversation when he believes it's convenient for him to do so. Because he's a game player.

Because it's just a move in the massive game of chess that he's trying to play. That's what politicians do. If it's not a benefit to them, then they won't do it. And then they will bring out any element. It doesn't matter what it is in their lives. If him coming out tomorrow, and I'm not saying that this is true, but if he was coming out tomorrow, as an example, as a gay man, and he thought that that was going to get him, you know,

goodness knows how many more votes and secure another term in office, he would do it. He would do it. Whether it was the truth or whether it wasn't, he would do it. So every single move is calculated. He's a moral vacuum. Because politicians, yeah, politicians are game players. And this one has played the game quite nicely, really, hasn't he?

Well, he got into power without any scrutiny whatsoever. We knew nothing about this guy. I mean, I used to warn about him on my GB News show constantly. Now, Dom, before I come to you, I want to play you this new interview. Well, it's not an interview, actually. It's a new video from Michelle Obama's new podcast. And she is addressing for the first time why she didn't attend Jimmy Carter's funeral and Donald Trump's inauguration. We all know, and we've known for some times, that just like with the Stalmers, there are huge issues within the Obama's relationship. There are, of course,

ongoing rumors about him and Jennifer Aniston. And Michelle has been really open about the fact that the marriage is not in a happy place. But this was the first time why she explained why she hadn't attended those two significant events. And what's interesting and where it links back to Starmer is that now there are a whole load of people in labor circles saying that Lady Victoria Starmer is doing a Michelle Obama. So watch this and I'll get your reaction off the bat. Dawn. My decision to skip the inauguration, you know, what people don't realize, or my decision to make choices at the beginning of this year that suited me were met with such ridicule and criticism. Like people couldn't believe that I was saying no for any other reason

that they had to assume that my marriage was falling apart. You know, it's like, while I'm here really trying to own my life and intentionally practice making the choice that was right for me. And it took everything in my power to not do the thing that was right or that was perceived as right, but do the thing that was right for me. That was a hard thing for me to do. I had to basically trick myself out of it. And it started with not having anything to wear. I mean, I had affirmatively, because I'm always prepared for any funeral, anything. I walk around with the right dress. I travel with clothes just in case something pops off. So I was like, if I'm not going to do this thing, I got to tell my team,

I don't even want to have a dress ready. Because it's so easy to just say, let me do the right thing. But then you become a shock absorber. Yeah. And that's what women are. Yeah. Shock absorbers. Yeah. And that's exhausting. And it is. And it's not healthy.

Yeah. It is not healthy. You've had to be shock absorbers for your husband, for your children, for your mom, for your family, your loved ones, because of where you were sitting in the public eye. That's not fair to you. When do you ever get to live for you i applaud you i am i'm happy that you are taking care of yourself in the way that you need to yeah okay i'm a bit worried that everyone's switched off because i understand that's really unbearable to listen to Don it's that sort of like

uber woke rhetoric and it just shows how obsessed these identity politics nutters on the left are but I do think it's pretty interesting what she's saying which is basically like I just decided I wasn't gonna be his wife so. So we're going to stay married, but I'm not going to show up to these events. I'm not going to give a damn what there's an expectation of me to do as a former first lady with all of these privileges that I received because I'm a former first lady. And it very much feels like Lady Victoria Starmer in the UK is taking the same approach with the slight difference that she's doing it when her husband is still in office. But Don, what do you make of both stories? Well, I feel like I'm a lot dumber than I was before that

clip started. Thank you for that. But yeah, what I heard was a really kind of a non-answer about anything. I mean, she didn't really say exactly why. She just gave excuses, oh, it's all about me. I'm going to do what I want to do, and I don't really owe anybody any excuses. But we all know there's tumult in that relationship, just like there is in Starmer's relationship. But is it any surprise to anyone that another leftist Western leader in power's sex life resembles that of Caligula? Because because it's not to me these sort of things we hear about them all all the time I mean is Starmer gay is he not is he having an affair with Lord Ali or who knows he he probably leaked it himself like Rebecca said so that he

can get more accolades from you know his leftist supporters but you know it's just one ridiculous filth and debauchery episode after another. So I think we should just really come to expect it of all these leftists in power. You know, it's just one big Roman orgy in Congress and in Parliament, I think, across the globe. I mean, it's interesting, Rebecca Jane, Jim Davidson earlier this week came out and said, look, this CCTV footage, which purported to show Lord Ali Kissing Starmer is fake. My understanding, Rebecca, and I've obviously done a lot of reporting on this is that that is fake. And actually, the issue is not so much that Starmer was having a gay

relationship, but obviously people have to be incredibly careful because of the british legal system and this is the problem we are in a world of information control but as a woman what did you make of michelle obama's comments there do you agree that they're pretty self-obsessed just a word salad weren't it like do you have like do you have a certain like word limit that you've got to hit every day because that's that's about as much entertainment as it was it's so dull it's so boring and it's so everybody's up their own backsides and just you're feeling like oh you poor thing and you have to be this shock absorber. Shut up. She didn't want to go to see Donald Trump. Whatever. Who cares?

Do we care? No, we don't care. I couldn't care less. I didn't care about them when they were in office either. Sorry. Again. No, I mean, look, for me, this is all about who is running our country. And I think, Don Keith, if you look to the US

and you look at what they tried to do to the Trump family, and they literally, and when I say they, I mean the mainstream media, I mean the deep state, I mean the establishment. They worked for eight years, Don, to destroy that family. And the Trumps said, you can't do that because we are strong and we are united and you might throw every single piece of mud over us, but we stand strong. You compare and contrast that to the Biden family, which received absolute protection, not just support, by the way, but protection

from both the mainstream media, the deep state, and critically, big tech, which shamed itself by censoring, for example, the scoop about Hunter Biden's laptop before the 2020 election. Yet that family has fallen apart. And I think that's why it matters, because how can Donald Trump be such a terrible guy, like the mainstream media tell him is, when he has such a wonderful, united, dedicated and loyal family? So I think it does matter and i i don't sign up to the fact that we shouldn't be able to learn about starman's children that we shouldn't know about the true shape of his family he is our prime minister while he is in downing street we pretty much own you mate yeah no i i totally agree you know i think think Donald Trump's the story of Donald Trump is probably the most legendary story of a president.

I think history is going to view it that way. And, you know, I'm a big believer. I'm a faithful person. I don't say you can look at the story of everything, the trials and tribulation that Donald Trump went through, the trials of Joe, basically, and not understand that God was somehow involved in that and protected him throughout all of that, throughout the 91 charges, all the ridiculous lawfare and the different courts in the different states, the two impeachments, an assassination attempt. Look at everything that man went through and tell me that God wasn't involved in that. And, you know, I just can't I couldn't believe that. But he's a very strong individual. His family's very strong with all. You know, you're going to laugh at this, but I always call call Tommy the working class Donald Trump because everything they've done to Donald Trump. Yeah, they've done to Tommy Robinson.

They tried to use the lawfare. They've come after his finances. They've tried to get him in prison. They've tried to kill him in prison. They have imprisoned him. They've used a lot of the, I think, the police and authorities, the cases against him, I think, were lawfare. You look at, in particular, one of the ones I always think about when I think about Tommy is this, the one they always say, oh, he assaulted a police officer. They don't tell you that it was an off-duty cop who was drunk and assaulted Tommy first. They just always say, you know, a police officer. They don't tell you about the fake, you know, the mortgage fraud.

They always say that Tommy wasn't involved. They don't tell you that wasn't Tommy, but Tommy took the hit so that his family wouldn't suffer the consequences. That's the kind of guy he is. But all of these things that Trump's been through are just, you know, a strength, man. And I think that's exactly what your country needs as a strong leader like Donald Trump, someone who can wade through those slings and arrows and come out on the other side and stick to his guns. And if you want mass deportation, say you want mass deportation. And don't be afraid because the political winds are going this way. Say, well, I don't think it's politically possible right now. Maybe some other time when the winds

change and I can get more votes, then I'll say, let's mass deport everyone. If you look back at Donald Trump's tapes from 30 years ago when he was on talk shows and doing interviews, he says the exact same things he says today. He's never changed a bit. And that's what a true leader does. He tells the truth and he sticks to his guns. And that's what someone like Nigel or anybody else needs to do. Total consistency indeed. Well, look, speaking of Tommy Robinson, there has been a fascinating exchange, wouldn't call it a clash, but a

fascinating exchange between Don Keith on his show, The Real Beef, with Matt Goodwin, the GB News presenter who is increasingly becoming one of the biggest allies of Reform UK. It is a really fascinating conversation. We're going to preview it and show you what went down and get reaction from Don Keith and Rebecca Jane in just one minute. You're really not going to want to miss it because there is one particular moment where Matt Goodwin is just left completely speechless. But first, the reason you're watching this show is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to trust mainstream media or the so-called fact checkers who claim to determine which facts are true. And for good reason, given the ongoing debates over free speech,

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And the Canary. God bless the Canary. Very hard-left publication which ran with this ludicrous headline. Victory for the far-right as Supreme Court rolls back trans women's rights by two decades. Try calling JK Rowling far-right to her face, Canary folk. My favourite feature of Ground News, though, is the Blindspot feed, which surfaces upwards of 20 stories daily that receive the majority of coverage from one side of the political spectrum.

If you love the news like I do, the Blindspot feed is the best way to get a balanced perspective on what's happening. So go to ground.news forward slash outspoken or scan the QR code on screen to subscribe today and you will get 40% off the same Vantage plan that I use for unlimited access. That's ground.news forward slash Outspoken. But now back to the show. Matt Goodwin has become an increasingly influential figure in British right-wing politics. He's a good guy, regular guest here on Outspoken, but what has been interesting of late is his move from independent academic to seemingly become a cheerleader for Nigel Farage with, I would say, sights set on

ending up in Reform UK's first cabinet. And that would probably be a very good thing for the country to have a guy like Matt Goodwin in post. But what that does mean is that sometimes it feels like we're not necessarily always getting exactly what Matt Goodwin thinks on issues. He has to follow the Farageist playbook, especially on the issue of Tommy Robinson and that's why I was so interested when I saw this exchange by Don Keith of The Real Beef who is our superstar panelist today and also a contributor for Urban Scoop a big supporter and friend of Tommy Robinson come head to head with Matt Goodwin. And what you will see develop over the course of this interview is that Matt is left speechless when Don actually asks him to look at Tommy Robinson's words and Farage's words and then justify his opinion. This is really fascinating, by the way, because we also have Rebecca Jane with us

today, former UKIP deputy leader and conservative commentator who takes a different position on the Tommy Robinson issue. So we're going to get analysis as we go on, but let's watch the start of this fascinating new episode of The Real Pete Don Keith. New branch of your political journey. Do you look back at someone like Tommy Robinson and think that he should have been given more grace for the things he's been saying for 16, 17 years? I know he's been accused of racism and all of those things.

If you look back, and trust me, I've searched. Tommy's a friend of mine. I don't know if you know this or not. But I've searched through every video, every article I can find. I've never seen anything he's ever said that's racist. But for some reason, the media and establishment, they continue with this narrative that Tommy's this, you know, terrible, racist, xenophobic guy without any evidence. Matter of fact, it's just I'm going to play a clip for you real quick. Now, let you answer my question. This kind of answers my question.

I don't know if you've ever seen this, but I've actually played this clip for people, and it blew them away because they didn't even know this. I'm going to play it for you. My name's Stephen. I'm a member of the English Defence League. I said we're travelling to Stoke today, part of a national roadshow, where we are raising awareness to the threat of militant

Islam and the threat of extremism in our communities, which it is in many of our communities that live in diverse communities. And we're just trying to raise awareness and bring the whole country together. One of my main mottos, black and white unite, unite the colours, unite the faiths in the face of extremism. Nazis! We do not welcome nazis there's a lady here today a caribbean lady who has flown here today from the brit Virgin Islands. Six families from the British Virgin Islands. We have 16 new for you today. We have six here today. And it is out of respect to every one of those communities

that nasties are the enemy. You'll be treated like the enemy. And the fact that we've brought you in and you still ain't got the message that you're not welcome on the streets with the English Defence League is a disgrace! We have burned the swastika, we've chased you out of Luton, we've chased you out of Birmingham, when will you get the message So I love that. It's what I describe as bringing the receipts.

Don Keith had brought the receipts, presented them to Matt Goodwin. How did he respond? Watch. the receipts presented them to matt goodwin how did he respond watch i mean what do you what do you think about that i mean i don't know if anybody even more emphatically can can say that they're not a racist xenophobe than that what do you think about that yeah so i i've met uh tommy robinson a couple of times um we actually grew up not too far away from one another. He grew up in Luton. I grew up about 20 minutes down the road in a place called St. Albans. And we're similar age, so in some respects we're quite similar, so I understand where he's come from anyway my line on tommy robinson has always been that had the state and had the establishment listened to what he was saying when he first emerged in 2009 when he set up the english defense league when he talked about the rape gangs when he talked about islamistism, and when he talked about parts of the state being

complicit in some of that, and we now see police officers being arrested for some of that, then I think we would have avoided some of the problems that we ran into as a society over the last decade. The fact of the matter is senior national journalists did not look at the issues that people like Tommy Robinson were talking about until 2011. The first proper journalist to do that really was Andrew Norfolk at the Times two years after Robinson had started the English Defence League. So the legacy media were very slow to the things that he was talking about and they were nervous about talking about it because of the way in which the only groups that were talking about it like the english defense league you know were doing it in a very confrontational way you know it was about marches on the streets, demonstrations. It was a very working class movement,

which in Britain, in a highly class-obsessed society, really does matter how you campaign and protest. And I think he lost a lot of the, the sort of the chattering classes very early on. And then, you know, as he became more popular,

and what tends to happen when you do become more popular they start they started to see him as a threat well illuminating discussion and we will have more in just one moment of how goodwin responds to farage's comments about tommy robinson but before i come to don keith rebecca jane how do you react when you see Don play that early footage of Tommy Robinson which probably his words go totally against the narrative that the mainstream media has tried to push about this guy for years that that he's a racist and that he's a thug and that he's an extremist yes i struggle with it um because it feels like to me and this was one of my my issues it it kind of it comes across as a blanket and i could be wrong here and one of the reasons why i generally don't speak about this is i don't speak about something unless i absolutely know about it but unfortunately dan you're asking me and I don't feel like I'm

educated enough on this topic to give and especially on Tommy to give a properly good balanced view so my very surface level opinion of it is that the way that they come across with the confrontational aspects of it and with with some of the wording and the language that they come across with the confrontational aspects of it and with with some of the wording and the language that they use it feels to me like it is quite a blanket every muslim is not welcome in this country on these streets i think was the word that is how and i know that this is not and i know this is not what was intended with. I know that he's saying that there was a problem because there was a problem. I don't disagree with the things that he tries to stand up for, the gangs, the exploitation and everything else.

Wonderful. Thank goodness somebody is saying it, right? Because it takes a lot of courage and balls to stand up and actually to say this stuff, especially back then when the narrative was was far worse than even now so I'm really conflicted is the bottom line of it I don't like the language I don't like the way it's coming across I don't like confrontation at the best of times unsurprisingly um but I I don't like I still don't like it, but I appreciate that there are, that there definitely was some truth in it.

I think if the delivery had been better, do I think that they'd have been listened to? No, I don't. No. I don't think that we were ready for it. I think if it was starting night today and the delivery was a little bit better handled, maybe slightly, but unfortunately.

So Don, how do you respond to to to that criticism from rebecca specifically i think we watched two different clips i think we watched two different clips yeah that's perception of people into it's clearly saying we don't accept it's clearly saying we don't accept nazis because we have people who are we have a caribbean lady here we have a Sikh individual we have west indian youth here and it's out of respect for them that we do not tolerate nazis in the edl so what i don't know understand how you get out of that we don't want any any muslim on the street i don't it was a sentence at the beginning it was a sentence at the beginning of the video that if i'd have had a pen and paper i'd have written it down because it was it was a specific sentence about muslim and then it came across and

welcome on this street that's how it came across to me and but again i feel like if you if you go in with this and and i know that we have to shout and we have to make a scene in order to get sort of our opinions heard these days i I know that's the norm. But if you want to come across in such a confrontational way, maybe the message does get lost on some people like it does with me. Like that is a that is a fact of life that if you. Well, that's always been the Farage argument. That's always been the Farage argument, hasn't it? That almost in order to allow your opinion to be heard in the United Kingdom, you have to sort of go so far away from that type of street fight approach,

which is why Goodwin was specifically referencing the class issue. Now, stand by, both of you, because I want to show one more fascinating part of this interview, and this is when Don challenges Matt Goodwin on some of the things that Nigel Farage have said about Tommy Robinson. Really good. Watch. He could just say just not talk, I mean, politicians

in America do it all the time. If media ask them about somebody, they just need no comment or they just move on. But, you know, there's a difference between not talking about it and just making up a blatant lie about the guy. Because he's never assaulted a woman. I think, you know, I think he actually owes Tommy an apology for that part of it, you know what I

mean? Yeah, so I didn't quite see the incident you're referring to. GB maybe, GB News. I don't have a clip of it. But, you know, I'm going to play this clip for you, and I'll just give you an idea. Like I said, I'm a big fan of Nigel from 2016. I wish he were back to being that guy.

I'm just going to play this real quick for you. Times Today is carrying a story about one of your aides and colleagues, George Cottrell, who has a conviction for wire fraud in the America and has been named in another criminal investigation in Montenegro. Do you want him by your side on the campaign trail? I firstly always stand by my friends and secondly there is a thing called Christian forgiveness. If people get convicted of something or do something wrong well they have another chance in life to go on and prove themselves. Mr Farage thank you. If in a country that believes in Christian forgiveness he is not a good example to young tearaways I don't believe. Do you believe in Christian forgiveness? Everyone believes in Christian forgiveness, he is not a good example to young tearaways. Do you believe in Christian forgiveness?

Everyone believes in redemption. Everyone should have second chances. Is he not a very good example? Nigel, that is not the question I'm asking. Would you accept Robinson as a man? No. You keep over-relating with him last time. Robinson has been to prison many, many times for many, many things. Mortgage fraud, passport problems, you name it.

He's got his own campaign. We're a political party aiming to win the next general election. He's not what we need. So you see what I mean? I get the whole strategy about Tommy, but it's like everybody deserves Christian forgiveness except for Tommy Robinson. So, you know, that's just what kind of irks me about Nigel.

Well, from my perspective. George Cottrell was his financier, just to give you a little background. I don't know if you know, George Cottrell actually funded his trip to see Elon. Eleven thousand pounds he paid for Nigel's trip to see Elon. The other guy was McMurdoch, James McMurdoch, MP, reformed MP. So those guys deserve Christian forgiveness. But, you know, the working class guy like Tommy Robinson does. And that's what just kind of irritates me about Nigel.

If he could just lay off that kind of stuff and, you know, speak his message, I think he'd get a lot more support. Because Tommy, believe it or not, Sky News reported that Tommy's Trafalgar Square demo had 100,000 people at it. So if 100,000 people are attending a demo, there's got to be millions out there who like the guy. I think there is an important dividing line between people who are campaigning primarily at elections and people who are campaigning primarily uh on the street and i do think that distinction is important i mean whatever you think about nigel farage he's the only politician in british political history he's won two nationwide elections with two different parties right i don't you know it's with both the uk independence party and the brexit party i think tommy robinson stood for election at a european parliament election in a part of the country and i think he polled two or three percent now that's not a criticism of robinson it's just

to say that these two guys have fundamentally different views about how to change the country. How long ago was that? On Iran, do you know? I would have guessed what, 2019? 2019, that recent. 2019, 2014.

But I think underneath this is an even deeper question, which is how do you actually save a country? So I find that all really, really fascinating. Rebecca Jade, my first question to you, having seen that, is Nigel Farage being unfair on Tommy Robinson? Yeah, of course he is. I thought it was really

funny, actually. You just saw Matt like this. I don't think he knew what he was signing up for. The cops were just like, oh no, what do I say? And then you could see him go all around the houses and come back to nonsense

about people on the street and politicians. What? You've not even answered the question. You've not even acknowledged. I know, but this is what I hate. This is what I hate. This is what I hate about what Reform UK are doing to people. And look, I've been so open, Don, right?

I voted for Reform UK at the last election. I would be voting for them next week if I had a local election. I was colleagues with Nigel Farage for three years. Sorry, Rebecca, I missed that. What was that? I said, you're stupid. Because my point is, at the moment, I think they are the best option. But I'm not a propagandist. I'm not just going to give the party a free pass because I think this country has so much to save. But what you will have noticed, if you take that approach, Dom, within Reform UK, you're immediately called the enemy. They thrust you out. If you're Rupert Lowe, they call the police on you. And that's why people like matt goodwin who

i think and i hate to say this i think he's almost betraying his audience because he's not being able to say what he really thinks because he's so worried about appeasing reform uk do you see what i'm saying yeah but you know at the same time i have to give some kudos to matt because he's come a long way from where he used to be. You know, he used to be his primary concern was riding on, you know, right wing populism and extremism. And to go, I even saw a publication, it was sent to me that he wrote for Hope Not Hate. Yes, he's come a long way. And look, his sub stack is amazing.

And Matt Goodwin has appeared here and outspoken me. None of this is amazing. And Matt Goodwin has appeared here on Outspoken. I mean, none of this is a criticism of Matt Goodwin. I think I'm just trying to present the reality of if you're within Reform UK now, people are terrified. They're terrified to say what they really think. And I hate that because I thought Reform UK were meant to be about free speech. Well, wait till you see the rest of our interview. I can't wait. And it's out today, right? Well, it's going to be out right after I get off with you. I'm going to post it. But he

actually, I was very impressed with him. I thought he was very candid, very fair-minded. He was very positive, even about Tommy on most points. And we in any the only what was the there was something he said. Oh, he said that, you know, if my only criticism of Tommy, something to this effect is he could have done things early on a little differently, which Tommy himself will agree with you on. And I agree with you. And I think most people do. But he was very positive, even about Tommy. I thought what he said about reform was very deliberate. And I just thought he was overall he had the nation's best interests at heart. That was my opinion of him. I don't think he pulled any punches.

I just thought he was actually there was one more short clip that I wanted to play actually because this is where i completely completely agree that we are only one election away from complete catastrophe in the uk and i think that's probably something that all of us if there's one thing we can all agree on it's this watch said on x recently um that i think we probably have two national elections left to save the uk and elon musk replied and said no you have one and i think there is a there is a view that that if we do not get radical political change within the next few years, that a lot of what we're witnessing will become irreversible. And we all agree with that, right? Because we've got one more election, Rebecca, right? You agree?

It's too late after that. I actually don't think that we've got one more election, Rebecca, right? You agree? It's too late after that. I actually don't think that we've got one more. I think we're well on the way. I don't think we've got one more. I think that we're pretty much almost in catastrophe as it is. The country's in absolute shambles. And we said it before the general election, how many times did we have this conversation

where I kept on saying, Conservatives, yeah, terrible terrible people are going to vote for labor it's going to get worse it's got worse it's going to keep getting worse we don't have another election left in us but and that's where i have to stop reading news i have to start taking part in this nonsense that we call politics because what the hell else is that and so many people feel that way and i guess i hope that i provide like a little life draft of sanity and uh don't stop coming on outspoken i think you do i think you do thank you both i love you both keep doing your brilliant work rebecca jane former ukip deputy leader conservative commentator and don keith host of the real beef with don keith and where can people see that full episode don later

yeah right after this is a six six year time it posts and where will that what platforms on x my handle is at real don keith on x So you can find me there and you can find this video there. Amazing. Cannot wait to watch the whole thing. Thank you both so much. And so much feedback from you coming in today, as I'm sure you imagine. Let me get to some of them.

Hibo62 says, Faraj the fool. I've flip-flopped for the last few months and finally realized Faraj is not going to help save this country. I would sooner have the conservatives in than reform. I'm done. Super Blay said, why would anyone believe a word Farage ussers after his last set of petty words about holding public inquiries into grooming gangs? And of course, that didn't happen. Trooper Bear, hello, Trooper Bear bear very good friend of mine i resigned from reform twice then i get a membership card sent i will post a photo holding my card and a sign

supporting tommy then they can throw me out oh yes please actually can you do that trooper bear because that will be really really funny email me you've got my address and uh deborah greening i wish when southport is mentioned that in addition to the three girls killed, people also mention the other children and adults that were seriously injured. It was a mass terrorist attack. And I totally agree. I just couldn't agree with you more. OK, Greatest Britain, Uni and Jackass Time. A reminder of the nominees.

John Swinney, nominated by Just Margaret One for one for his daftest wokest rotten idea yet and of course that is the fact that he held this far right summit in scotland id milliband nominated by malwella three for another waffle on sly news and rachel reeves rachel from Accounts, nominated by Royal Metcast because she is gleefully torching the records with the £21 billion borrowing bucket. Okay, let me get to the results. In third place with 16% of the vote, John Swinney. In second place, our runner-up with 33% of the vote, Rachel Reeves. But today's union jackass, Ed Miliband, for that disastrous Sly News interview with 51% of the vote. If you haven't seen it, here's some of the worst bits.

Put commodities aside. If you increase taxes on supermarkets to 78%, what would happen to the price of food? It depends whether it's the domestic market where the price is set domestically. This is a globally unquestionable factor about economics. You're right that your point also applies. You can't flatly deny my point. I am denying your point when it comes to the question of these internationally set prices.

That's the point I'm making to you. If you lowered the tax of 78% on energy companies to the regular... On oil and gas companies, it wouldn't make a difference to the price. Yes, it would. I'm afraid it wouldn't, because the point is that the price is set internationally. But there are lots of things that factor into the price that we pay. The lots of supply chain costs you've mentioned yourself. This is a huge cost in the supply chain.

He's just a fool. Great, great choice for today's Union jackass. And our greatest Briton today, nominated by Big Mama Booth, Kemi Badenoch, for, quote, having the balls to point out Sir Tu Kea has none. Emperor's new clothes spring to mind. So brilliantly put by Big Mama Booth. I always love your nominations.

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