Dan Wootton Outspoken - FURY AS MUSLIM MAN ATTACKS NANDO’S WAITRESS IN LAWLESS UK & TWO TIER POLICE DO NOTHING

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Shocking CCTV footage has emerged of a Muslim man attacking a helpless Waitress at Nando’s in front of his hijab-wearing wife, yet the hapless Met Police in London have admitted they did NOTHING about it. In his Digest, Dan says this is the ultimate example of Two Tier Justice in the UK, as the MSM and political establishment continue to obsess over the so-called “far right”. Then his Superstar Panel – Charlie Sansom and Andrew Eborn – weigh in. PLUS: Over a million new visas issued in the past year in UK, as Nigel Farage launches massive shake up of Reform UK AND: Dan has the inside story of King Charles’s fears as Harry and Meghan are AXED by Netflix Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Vodka, soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple. No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wotton. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 35. And shocking CCTV footage has emerged of a Muslim man attacking a helpless woman who was a waitress at Nando's in front of his hijab-wearing partner. Yet the hapless Met Police in London have admitted they did nothing about it. In my digest next, I'll explain how this is the ultimate example of two-tier justice in two-tier cares UK,

as the MSM and political establishment continue to obsess over the so-called far right. Also coming up today, over a million new visas were issued in the past year for migrants to enter the UK. And perhaps for very good reason, Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK, he isn't happy about it. Country is not a country without control of its borders. And you'll never do that with an activist foreign court in Strasbourg, which, remember, stopped that plane taking off to Rwanda back in 2022. We are clear that is the first step. Meanwhile, Farage's Reform UK has launched a massive shake-up today to try and get him into Downing Street as Prime Minister by 2029. My superstar

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your support at just £5 a month not only gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday after the main show, it also allows me to continue making this independent daily news show. Let's go! Remember when Tuti Ake Astama assured us that policing and justice in the UK is fair? There's no persecution, he insisted, of any particular group of people and no special treatment of any others. All is equal. It's just a coincidence that courtrooms and police cells are cleared at warped speed for white working-class English folk who maybe sent an inappropriate ex or Facebook post. Just a coincidence. But then, the evidence keeps emerging that sadly and disturbingly, that just isn't the case. I was horrified when I saw Peter Lloyd post on X, Muslim man assaults waitress in unprovoked attack.

This happened in Nando's, Stratford yesterday. Over to you, Met Police. Now, upon researching what happened a bit bit further I discovered that the incident didn't actually take place yesterday but rather in March. It was in Stratford though in East London. So watch as this completely innocent Nando's waitress is assaulted by the customer as his apparent partner in a hijab watches on. Horrifying, right? A clear case of assault you would think, and it is on video. After all, there for the world to see. So why did the Metropolitan Police do nothing?

Especially when they're so obsessed with sending down social media users or angry pensioners who yelled at cops on a peaceful protest. So I was thinking about this. Now, maybe Nando's wanted to deal with the situation internally, but no. A spokesman for the chicken chain said, this was a shocking and unprovoked attack earlier this year. We reported it to the police immediately and have supported our colleagues since. We will not tolerate this kind of behaviour. The safety of our colleagues and customers is our priority. So I was thinking, okay, maybe the waitress in question, maybe she didn't want to take it any further. But no. A woman called Zara, who found herself at the centre of this unlikely storm, posted on X, the police were present

at the time. I reported it to them and they let him go without taking his details or checking the CCTV. I filed a complaint against the officers and their supervisor got back to me and essentially said, quote, they're humans and made a mistake. Wow. Wow. But Keir Starmer says two-tier policing doesn't exist, right? Unless the MSM gets interested and then they act. Because a Scotland Yard spokesman has had to admit this today. We are aware of a video circulating online showing an incident in a branch of Nando's in Stratford which took place in March. A report of assault was made to police at the time of the incident.

However, it appears this was not progressed promptly by officers. We are working to establish why this happened and accept this is not the level of service Londoners should rightfully expect from the Met. We have since made contact with the victim and a statement has been taken. We will endeavour to keep her updated with the progress of this investigation. There has been no arrest and inquiries are ongoing to locate the man involved. And I'll tell you why there's been no arrest because you didn't give a damn about this in fact you only give a damn about violent crime if it's something that the woke mob or the mainstream media are demanding you investigate instead you waste so so much time

on spurious so-called thought crime and don't chase actual crime. Any Londoner knows that if you're mugged in the street like I have been, the Met will do absolutely nothing about it. Yet the loser mayor keeps playing these sorts of ridiculous games. London Mayor Sadiq Khan, I fear for my family's safety. If Trump is re-elected, well, Mr Khan, we fear for our safety now. That young waitress was assaulted and your police force did nothing about this. And it's not just a London problem, by the way. This is happening all over the UK where lawlessness is running rampant. Look at Manchester. but as Lonnie Dowding posted waiting for the greater Manchester police to brag about how fast they arrested him how they expedited his sentencing and how he's going away for a long time

oh wait he didn't make an offensive post on Facebook. Scrap that. Keir Starmer, you are a joke. And Alex Armstrong, referring to the Nando's incident, said, two-tier British policing is a global laughingstock. Disgrace. And trust me, we really are being laughed at all around the world, not just in the US, where Elon Musk has led the charge on X,

correctly branding the UK a police state, but now in Australia too, where my friend, the broadcaster Fred Paul, had a suggestion for two-tier care. Oh, British authorities are locking up hundreds, if not thousands, of uppity working class plebs for committing the heinous crime of wanting their country back from the hordes of violent migrants who now rule their streets and rape and pillage with impunity.

The only problem is, those same authorities must now release thousands of actual criminals to make way for these new inmates because Britain's prisons are overcrowded. Well, where have you heard that before? Last time Britain's prisons were this overcrowded was in 1788 and the solution was this, the First Fleet, which took Britain's least desirable convicts as far away as possible to a barren continent on the other side of the world. Well, that fleet landed not far from where I'm standing now. And in the mere 236 years since then, those convicts and their descendants built this. One of the freest, happiest, most egalitarian and prosperous nations in history.

So my message to British Prime Minister Keir Starmer is this Mate, don't bother rearranging your prisons to make way for these uppity plebs. Stick them on some boats and send them to Australia instead. Last time the British did that, things didn't turn out too badly at all. And I'm sure if that did become the policy again, there'd be quite a few people posting inappropriate messages on Facebook and X. Look, the UK, and I hate to say this given it's my home, but it deserves to be a laughingstock at the moment. Until this two-tier policing is stamped out, The world will continue to call it out.

To discuss this further, though, let me introduce today's superstar panel. And he's back. Charlie Sanson is the ambassador for the Together Declaration and host of X Uncensored Sundays from 7pm on X. And joining me to make his outspoken debut, Andrew Eborn, the barrister, broadcaster and futurist who now hosts TNT's flagship morning program, The Muckrakers. And I guess you could say we are muckrakers today, the three of us. But Charlie, can you believe that this went on in a Nando's restaurant, the police were there, yet did nothing, but our leaders say that two-tier policing doesn't exist? Well, we know that it does, don't we? Honestly. You have to look at this objectively and take into account the one thing that i hate to bring up and i really don't like to bring this up but there's a race element to this and it's something that you can't say anymore because you know the brick of highlighting that you are yourself a racist for noticing these trends

in in the way we're governed and policed but at the end of the day if that was a white man who did that to a waitress in a nando's do do you think the police would have nicked him? I think they would have done. No problem. Andrew, what do you reckon? I'll tell you what I reckon. I always say that trust comes in on foot and leaves on horseback. And the reality is trust in the police at the moment is at an all time low. The United Kingdom were anything but united. It's the most divided, diseased information age that we're living in. And you see this footage, and you're right. Why did it take so long to come about? We talked about Manchester fairly recently,

the airport incident there back in July. And it was drip-fed to the meter, if you like, and what happened. And eventually, we got a bigger picture as more and more of the video got released. I wonder if there's any more to this video. But still, when you look at it in isolation, it's absolutely appalling. And it's harrowing hearing that this particular victim asked for this to be investigated, wanted things to get happened, and we've got no trust at all in it. It seems to me it's absolutely appalling that something should be done.

Yeah, indeed. And what's so problematic, Charlie, is that we know that this happens every single day. Violent crime is ignored. And I guess it's become so easy for the police, hasn't it, to investigate a post on X or a post on Facebook. It was probably music to their ears when Starmer started demanding that they take action against the working class folk who posted something a little bit spicy after the Southport massacre. That's easy. Cracking down on violent crime is tough. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most? When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard.

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It's very easy to go knock on somebody's door when they're not mob-handed, as it is to look at a tweet and say uh well you've criticized the establishment or you've made made a comment about the unfair police treatment of of the indigenous population here you are correct these easy it is easy for them to do and it's appalling that they that they're policing us in this way there shouldn't be any favoritism. Crime is crime. If you've broken the law, it shouldn't matter what you believe in or where you come from or what colour your skin is. It wouldn't work the other way around. And I'm not trying to make this into a race debate, but I want equality across the whole of our United Kingdom. If you're black, if you're white,

if you're brown, yellow, pink, green or blue, if you commit a crime, you should be arrested and dealt with. It's not that difficult. I mean, I was so shocked by this Daily Telegraph headline, Andrew Eborne, that says career criminals walk free in soft justice scandal. Offenders with more than 100 convictions now get a slap on the wrist instead of jail time. But we see Julie Sweeney, the pensioner grandmother who looks after full time her very ill husband in jail for 15 months because of an inappropriate post. And it was inappropriate. And I'm not trying to say that it was not inappropriate.

But 15 months in jail for that, Andrew, when violent criminals are not even investigated. It's completely crazy. And you talk about being a laughingstock around the world. Well, Elon Musk has talked, and he's basically talked about Keir Starmer. Well, I had the joy, it was a joy of talking to Elon's father today, Errol. I interviewed

him on my programme. It was brilliant. So revelations about Elon growing up. I mentioned it was basically Aristotle said, give me a child to the age of seven, I'll show you the man. Some fascinating insights into Elon. But we talked

about this two-tier Ke care. You remember the spat that Elon had with Sakhir Starman, the sort of slangy match. And what he was saying, he was saying it was true. You know, we look at this from around the world. You see this two-tier system where, as you say, people speaking out get swift justice and put into jail very, very quickly, whereas the big convicted criminals and long standing criminals get wandering free. And it's got to be wrong. And as I say, justice needs to be done and also seen to be done.

And justice is blind. And what that means, it doesn't matter what colour creed. I'm not sure about blue, Charlie, but whatever sort of colour and creed you may be, it should be irrelevant. Smurfs should be treated the same as us. Absolutely. And look, of course,

the story that is completely connected to this, even though the mainstream media want to treat them as two separate issues, are the shocking migration figures revealed today. Over one million visas granted in the UK over the past year. Record numbers of asylum seekers granted refugee status. Figures show 67,978 claims were granted in the year to June. That's more than

21,436 in the previous year. The brilliant journalist Patrick O'Flynn wrote on X about this. In the year to June 2024, the UK granted to foreign arrivals 547,000 work visas, 530,000 study visas, 84,000 family visas, another 1.16 million new long-term visas in a single year, also 813,000 extensions of stay to those already here with soon-to-expire authority all under the Sunak administration. And as Darren Grimes commenting on this wrote, they arrive illegally from Afghanistan and Syria and all of the rest of it. And we just grant them asylum, refusing to countenance, deporting them and upsetting the international apple cart. We are a joke and it's killing us. The sooner our political class is replaced, the better. Charlie, your reaction to these astonishing numbers, and I mean astonishing for all the...

Yeah, they are huge numbers. I'd love to know how many of those 547,000 work visas were for high quality jobs and not just delivering food and cleaning. And I'm not having any shade put on those people that do those jobs it's just in a country where we don't have sustainable housing a benefit system which is super expensive and the obvious things that we talk about like the nhs and schools and roads etc all crumbling around us how is any of this sustainable even more even more astounding is the fact that you've actually got illegal immigrants coming here, being granted stay. Where are they being put? I mean, if you and I and Andrew were made homeless tomorrow, God forbid, would we be put in five star hotels?

Would we be given mobile phones and, you know, daily allowances and free dental care? I mean, most people can't even get to see a dentist these days. Yet you come here illegally and you get all these things. It's on the government's website. So there is a problem here. Darren Grimes mentioning we need to get rid of the political class. Unless you get rid of Labour and the Conservatives both, you're never going to get rid of them. Well, I want to talk about Reform UK in just a moment, actually, because I think they are potentially the solution to this problem. But Andrew, can we just talk about these numbers first? This is a flood. It is a flood.

And before anyone says anything about me, I have a British passport. I've had a British passport since birth. My parents are British. So I am not one of these immigrants. But it's not to say there shouldn't be highly skilled people, Leighton, but we cannot handle this flood, Andrew, and that is what it is. You're absolutely right, Dan, and I always say that sunlight is the best disinfectant. What we need to do is to break down those figures, because the brilliantly talented people, such as yourself,

and you're getting on being brilliantly talented anyway, you work on on that sort of basis we need to break those figures down why are people coming over here what are the sort of basis because what happens they conflate the issue they talk about small boats which is an absolute appalling mess and there's also a different side to it because if you see this brilliant movie called io capitano and i would recommend everyone sees that uh you'll see just how devastating it is for some of the people coming over and how that they're abused they basically have to save up forever from their village in the promise of a wonderful life and as they go through their journey they're basically bribed more so the family have to send more money and if they don't do it they're tortured some are get sold for organ donations can you believe it so murdered along way. And it's a very different perspective. But the reality is this, that sometimes we need skilled labourers and skilled people in different industries. We need to break down those figures and have a look at that. But it's all about communication. And so often, these problems are not being properly communicated. If you say we need these number of people for this, people understand that.

If you conflate the figures, then people don't. And it's front and centre of the election we've just had. Everybody but everybody is talking about immigration. Indeed. So let's talk about the political side of things. Nigel Farage emerged from his holiday in Clacton today. He was on the seaside and hit back in an interview with his employers at GB News. I've heard it all before. Priti Patel said all the same things.

If you employ illegal, migrant workers will fine you. You may go to prison. Massive penalties for smugglers, life imprisonment, none of it. And you can put 1, thousand new enforcement officers in place, but if the European Court of Human Rights stops you deporting people, what difference does it make? We are very clear that a country is not a country without control against borders. And you'll never do that with an activist foreign court in Strasbourg,

which, remember, stopped that plane taking off to Rwanda back in 2022. We are clear that is the first step. And it is a very clear first step, Andrew, a first step that none of the leadership contenders for the Conservative Party have been prepared to make. And as a result, I'm not prepared to support them anymore. You know, Suella Braverman was the one person who said, absolutely, we need to stand on a strong position of leaving the ECHR.

No ifs, no buts, no maybes. She didn't run because she knew she didn't have the support from the MPs. And as a result, I can't support any of these leadership contenders. And you're absolutely right, Dan, as always. And there were a number of issues which were silent or not discussed in the election. The COVID, for example, nobody looked at all the horrendous things that went on there. Let's just pretend it didn't happen. Exactly.

I know, but isn't that bizarre? So nobody was talking about it on any side of the parties. But you're right about this. If you look at what was the problem about the flights, they were just about to take off and the ECHR said, oh, no, you can't do that. And off they all came again. It's an absolute nonsense.

We then also had the nonsense about Rwanda. We had the Rwanda safety bill. And Abraham Lincoln, he used to amuse people at dinner parties. I'm up to date with my jokes. And what he used to say, he used to say, well, if you call the tail of a dog a leg, how many legs does a dog have? And people talk, well, five then.

Well, no, the answer is still four because just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it so. So calling Rwanda a safe country is an absolute nonsense. So we need to look at that. And you're right. We need somebody like Nigel to call it out. Yeah, indeed. I mean, look, Charlie, there's so much that can be done.

There has to be a deterrent. There does. I'm a big believer in that. But I also believe that there can be a turn back policy as well. Plus, let's leave the ECHR. There are so many things that can be done, but there has to be political will to do them. And in Australia, where they have completely protected borders, there was political will. And guess what, Charlie? The boats stopped. The illegal immigration stopped. I mean, if there is a law implemented here where we could actually break the law and be sent to Australia, I may consider breaking the law just to get out of this country. But when it comes to the pushback with the dinghies coming over here and the illegals coming over here to the uk there is a simple solution it's very cost effective and it's very cheap just take the boats back into french waters because

the reason why we're bringing them to the uk in the middle of the channel is because we are i suppose duty bound to protect people who are in danger of dying at sea. And they're in our territorial waters. So I suppose we have to do that. But why can't we do what the French do and just escort them back over the line? Because we've seen the French boats doing it. We're not causing a massive problem with France. We're actually paying them money to do what they're not actually doing,

which is stopping them coming over in the first place. So why don't we just do the same? Take our money back, bring the dinghies into French waters. The French aren't going to start a war over it. They're not going to cut off trade with us over it because it's not worth it over a few immigrants on a few boats.

So let's just do that. What's the worst that could happen? The French get annoyed. Who cares? Well, one of the things, can I just say one thing the reality is this however the focus should be on those criminal gangs because they are the ones as well who are abusing the system those are the ones who are getting fortunes out of other people's misery

and it's going to be a two-pronged attack firstly we've got to send a very clear message to everybody that you can't if you come here, you're going to be sent back. So don't bother even trying. Save your money. And then secondly, we need to target those criminal gangs who are abusing people. As they say, it's a bribery and going as far as murder. Do go watch that movie, Io Capitano. It's based on real events. It's not an entirely true story, but it is based on real events as we understand it. And it gives a different perspective. That's what an entirely true story, but it is based on real events as we understand it.

And it gives a different perspective. That's what we need to look at. There's two pronged attacks, one on communication and the other targeting the gangs. Now, the big question is, can Reform UK end up in government by 2029? I say yes. I believe, and some of you will call me crazy, but you can hold me to this. I believe Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister of the UK by 2029 and at that point Marine Le Pen will be President of France as well because there is so much discontent in both countries but we know Reform UK really has to build up its operation it has been a very small party and it's going to have to get professional well today Zia Yousaf the new chairman of the party who admitted that he has donated £200,000 of his own money into the cause, says that he does believe they can be in government by 2029. Watch. Finally, the goal is to beat the Tories in 2028, 2029. Our goal is to

be the party of government in 2029, which means beating Labour. And that's possible from this low start? Five MPs, 75,000 members, you can do that? I built quite a successful and sophisticated technology company. I'm quite good with data. I have spent weeks and weeks and weeks poring over the data. We have a clear path to victory. Don't get me wrong, it's long odds, right?

Saving the country generally is quite a difficult endeavour. It's not going to be easy. It's going to be very tough, but it's absolutely possible and we're going to do it. But what about those criticisms from the former, and let's be honest, sacked deputy leader Ben Habib over democratising the party so that Nigel Farage doesn't have a stranglehold? Well, Zia Youssef also directed that criticism today. Ben Habib, the former deputy leader, he is being critical of Reform UK. He has got no relationship with the leadership anymore, he says. He says that if Reform UK ran the government, it would be owned by Nigel Farage. What he means is that Reform UK is a company and most of the shares are owned by Nigel Farage. What he means is that Reform UK is a company and most of the shares are owned by Nigel Farage. How do you change that and will you change that? We will change that and let me be clear, Nigel Farage and Richard Tice have been on the record

multiple times before the election and after the election saying yes of course that will change. The history here is that if you know the history for example with UKIP that unfortunately turned into an ungovernable circus to put it kindly and so we can only do one thing at a time Chris look we of course understand that members need to be given a democratic a set of rights in our constitution that is what we are working on you know that that constitution by the way Chris is an incredibly important document you know we are chartering a course to be the party of government in this country in 2029. So that document must be fit for purpose today, for the next year, but also for when we're in government and that's so we have to get

that document right. And will that document, when we see it, allow members to remove the leader, in this case, Nigel Farage? That's what all parties must have, the right for members to remove a leader. Of course it will. How? Well, when the constitution comes out, you know, we have some of the finest legal minds in the country working day and night. And Ben Habib was won over by that. He posted on X, delighted to hear Zia Youssef just now confirming that Nigel Farage

will give up his controlling interest in Reform UK Limited and that members will be able to vote to remove and appoint a leader. When this is done, it will be a proper political party. Charlie, are you satisfied with this? I think it's a step in the right direction. I used to be a chairman, an area chairman for the Conservative Party, so I understand the ins and outs of a democratised local area, it is important that you have that because it gets people involved, it gets them invested and activists and potential councillors

and MPs actually feel like they've got skin in the game as opposed to just being dictated to by a monarchical figure like Nigel Farage who at the moment controls everything. So it is a step in the right direction, hopefully it encourages people to join reform and get involved in politics and I think even if you're not a reform voter or supporter, you should get involved in politics in some way if you can. Andrew Eborn, how do you feel about this massive shake up of Reform UK? I think it's fascinating. I know a lot of the key people in reform. David Bull, who was also a deputy leader, he set the whole thing up with Richard Tyson. We used to share a studio very often and talk about these things.

It was done with their own money to get it all started. Yes, they have talked about how they're going to reform it from a corporate point of view. What I find astonishing, though, Dan, is when you look at the actual statistics, because whilst the Labour Party won 33.7% of the vote in the last election, the Conservatives 23.7%,

the Liberal Dems got 12.2%. They got 72 seats. That's 72 seats. What happened with Reform, who got 14.3% of the vote, much more than the Liberal Dems, they ended up with five. That doesn't sound right for democracy, does it? No, it's a disgrace. It's a disgrace. And again, I know a lot of people do not support it because they have brought into the left wing propaganda. Let me tell you, we need proportional representation in this country. But that is a debate for another day. Jim Davidson, my friend.

There's been lots of rumors about Jim joining Reform UK because he was pictured at this event with Lee Anderson and Richard Tice. Well, on his own platform, Ustream, he has now responded. Watch. Guess who's sitting in the front row up in Skegness when I'm doing my show? This lot. Yes, what a picture. A Tory sandwich. Lee Anderson and Richard Tice, two great mates of mine. They're now the big wigs in reform.

And I'll be sitting and chatting with them and talking to them. And I like some of their policies, but I'm a conservative, for good or bad. You know, cut my head off and it says Tory all the way through. But what the Tory party has got to have is these two guys in it. Yes, wouldn't it be great, wouldn't it, if the reform party suddenly, can't you just go and take over another party, like buying a company? We're the reform company. We want to buy you lot. Yeah, OK, a few quid each in the back pocket. Well, Richie's always got

billions anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But this is what I'm on about. These are great guys, great guys and great mates. And no, I've not joined the Reform Party, Reform UK Party, but I do believe in a lot of their policies and these are great blokes. And it just seems to me that we could do with these guys in the Conservative Party. Wouldn't that be a lot easier

if Reform joined the Labour Party and started to, you know, they say it's easier to be inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in. Well, it would be great to see the Conservative Party have some of, maybe all of, reforms policies and have a couple of people in there with balls. There I'd be. See, Charlie, I love Jim, but I think he's been naive here because that ship has sailed hasn't it there isn't going to be a merge because the tory rhetoric since the election has not been at all welcoming to nigel no not at all i mean i watched that video

earlier on today and the first thing that came to mind was that people like jim davidson are going to be a problem in the in the future because not him personally but people that are conservative through and through like he just said he is because other him personally but people that are conservative through and through like he just said he is because other people will vote like that until the day they die and that's the wrong approach there needs to be a change and the biggest challenge for reform

now is actually going to be to convert those dyed in the wall blue Tories to jump over and you know put their ex in the turquoise box and vote for reform. I liked him a lot. I think he's hilarious. He's a wonderful comedian. My family adore him as a comedian. But on this one, I think he's probably a bit more wishful than he is realistic. It is interesting, though, isn't it, Andrew? Because I think Charlie's right.

It is going to take getting someone like jim davidson voting for reform for reform uk to enter government i know you're absolutely jim is brilliant and he's been cancelled and suffered from that from that sort of side and set up his own thing uh so he's which i love i love you it's brilliant isn't it absolutely promote jim whenever we can uh and the other interesting character is charlie mullins who again you would think he was sort of through and through conservatives, but he went over.

And I've chatted to Charlie many times about that. He went over to reform. And I think if you look at that sort of side, it was George Galloway who always said that, well, political parties,

nothing between their two cheeks of the same backside. And if you look at the policies of each one, I think this is what's going to happen is it's going to be the mergers. We start focusing more on the policies. What bits do we really care about and who are the experts who are going to reform it?

But I wouldn't rule out completely reform and the Tories getting together because political shenanigans do go on behind the scenes. And they realise if you've got to be a kingmaker, you sometimes have to hold your nose and vote accordingly. Or potentially some sort of electoral deal where they would maybe the conservatives would stand down in the red wall seats, for example. Yes, they don't have a chance, but reform will have a chance. I think a lot of it is going to depend on who's elected Tory leader and also the polling as as we get up to the next election. But look, breaking right now, another major scandal is engulfing the BBC. Now, I'm not going to rush to judgment on this one, okay, but let me tell you what's happened. Jermaine Jenis, former footballer, became a big star of the BBC, hosting The One Show and appearing on Match of the Day, well, he has been sacked, effective immediately, by the British Bashing Corporation for quote-unquote inappropriate behaviour. Now, of course, this comes so soon after the Hugh Edwards scandal, which BBC bosses came out of looking appalling.

But what's interesting about this is that we don't know what the specific allegations are. We don't know what the claims of inappropriate behaviour are. We hear that Jermaine Genis has also been dropped by his agent, MNC Saatchi, which really disappoints me, actually, because I think unless he's done something criminal, you'd hope an agent would help to see someone through a difficult situation. But today he has still appeared on Talk Sport, which is interesting. So we don't know if his media career is going to be fully let down by this. Now, Charlie, this is a really interesting one, isn't it? Because what I hate is just because we know the BBC is such a corrupt and terrible organisation and has

let paedophilia run rampant over the years. Okay, we know that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Jermaine Jenis has done anything wrong. Sometimes after a scandal, they almost look for someone to take the fall, be the fall guy. And we know the BBC has had such a tough time because of its terrible handling of the Hugh Edward scandal and also its terrible handling of the Strictly Come Dance scene for Rory. So what do you make of this one? Well, because we don't know anything about why he's been let go, it does open things up to speculation. And I hate speculation purely because anything that is alluded about a man will stick and whilst we don't know i would like you would like not to

make any snap judgments about the man um he doesn't come across like um a horrible person to me i mean i've watched matches that i've seen him on various programs he seems like a very nice guy so i'd be surprised if this is something really serious but who knows we'll have to wait and see what comes out of this but hopefully it's uh it's not too bad for all involved. Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it, Andrew? Because with the Strictly Come Dancing story, for example, actually, I think a lot of it has been really unfair on a couple of the male dancers

who have been dragged through the mud for essentially being a little bit tough during training sessions. Now, that's very different to Hugh Edwards accessing child pornography while being paid for by the BBC, isn't it? You're absolutely right. And I have the joy of doing the podcast for the Royal Television Society. And as part of that, I spoke to Greg Dyke. They celebrated 100 years of the BBC. And let's look at the next 100. And I put to him about trust coming in on foot

and leaving on horseback. And as you quoted some example from Savile to, well, it wasn't Hugh Edwards at that stage that's just come out, but Tim Westwood was another one and so on and so forth. They've been very slow to act. And as a result, you're right, the gut reaction of this is they've been too quick to act and one thing i do hate is trial in the media because if somebody's

innocent i don't believe their name should be splattered all over the place with with accusations which haven't even gone through the rigor of the proper legal process so i feel very sorry until the facts come out and my view is that you should wait until that happens and you should clarify to everyone, look, this is the procedure that we go through. So whenever we get a complaint, this is what we do. And if the BBC make that very clear, they'll get a much better position accordingly.

Well, indeed, because what happens now is that there's a media witch hunt and they demand that Jermaine Genis must be axed by every single person who he's working for. Well, at this point, TalkSport hasn't done that. He appeared live laughing,

seemingly okay, just minutes after being sacked by the BBC. Now, in terms of what the BBC is saying about this, they have released a statement in the past hour saying we can confirm Jermaine Jenis is no longer part of our presenting lineup. Alex K. Jelski, the head of sport at the corporation, confirmed the decision in an email to staff as well, informing them Jermaine Jenis is no longer working for the BBC. And one colleague has told the Daily Mail that the complaints related to his workplace conduct and that the issues were raised with the broadcast a few weeks ago and it took action. I just think it's a shame that the BBC, look, let's see, let's see what we learn about

this. But it's funny, isn't it, who the BBC is prepared to throw under the bus and the the sorts of people that it shelters like uh Jimmy Savile and Hugh Edwards yeah you're so right and I go back to what I said beforehand trial in the media is the most abhorrent of all you get innocent people who are dragged through the media that their name is besmirched and it sticks for a long long time. And that has got to be wrong. Yeah, what I hope would happen here is that Jermaine is given the opportunity himself to speak out, to reveal what went on, because it's very difficult to comment on this when there is such a wide array of what can be classed as misconduct.

You know, did he send a flirtatious message to a colleague you know okay maybe not great but hardly a hanging offence uh Hugh Edwards receiving child pornography images while announcing the death of the queen not literally but you know the point that I'm making clearly unacceptable and clearly someone at the BBC should not have been protecting so we will watch with interest but I would urge everyone and having myself gone through one of these media witch hunts

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worked. After years of flops and non-deliveries, the Netflix hammer blow is coming. I first reported on this last year, but critically, Puck, which is a highly connected entertainment newsletter edited by the former editorial director of The Hollywood Reporter, Matthew Bologna. Puck has confirmed this week those long-suspected rumors that the streamer is not expected to renew its five-year, $100 million deal, which they signed in 2020. Now, that news won't surprise anyone within Hollywood given the disastrous product that has come out of Harry and Meghan but I can reveal today it is the worst nightmare for King Charles because the King and his courtiers have privately confided that they are dreading the possibility of the cash-hungry Sussexes running out of money. And that now

becomes a much more likely eventuality. This is what my royal source has revealed to me today. This is the king's worst nightmare. He's horrified. There are genuine fears within his court that Prince Harry and his wife are going to run out of money and come cap in hand to their father. Harry doesn't let up ever, especially about the security situation and Harry's court case against the Home Office. That's one of the reasons the King no longer takes many of his calls. It's unrelenting. Charles is already attempting to deal with the Prince Andrews situation, which is again about money. There is only so much money to go round and he must be responsible as he bids to run an efficient monarchy for a modern era. The source close to the king continues, since being with Meghan, Harry has become obsessed with money. It seems to drive so much of his jealousy and envy, But at least for the past couple of years, he's had it.

It always seemed predictable, though, that the money wouldn't last. Now, here's the situation. Harry does get a further inheritance of around £7 million next month. That's from the estate of the late Queen Mother, because she made it very certain that he wasn't going to be allowed access to that money until he was an adult, until he was 40 years old. However, even though Harry and Meghan are regularly using corporate freebies or relying on the generosity of wealthier friends to fund their expenses, they still do require significant incoming funds to continue to pay for their exorbitant accommodation, travel costs, and especially security needs, because those security costs have become particularly high because of Harry's growing paranoia.

It is possible, I am told, that there'll be some sort of face-saving lower value deal offered to Harry and Meghan by Sarandos as a result of their friendship. That's what happened with the Obamas and Netflix when their exclusive deal ran out. But the thing is with the Obamas and Netflix when their exclusive deal ran out. But the thing is, the Obamas have been way more successful than the Sussexes in terms of what they've produced. And some sort of first look deal would actually go nowhere near far enough to cover what the Sussexes have become accustomed to financially. And this is a real disaster for Netflix too, because it's embarrassing for Ted Sarandos. Do you remember when he first signed the couple, he described them as global change makers.

He said they would tell stories that can help build resistance. Lately, he's had to do a complete 180 on that, describing the couple as, quote, controversial and great at getting attention while adding you may love them or hate them but you're watching but actually far fewer people have been watching in recent years it may have been true that there was a sort of morbid fascination to tune in for their royal trashing docuseries but not for their other non-royal projects, like the documentary series Live to Lead and Heart of Invictus. Both of them were flops. And you'll remember Meghan's passion project, the children's animation series Pearl, it was axed before it even went into production. Now, look, I've predicted this for a long time because the tragedy for Harry and

Meghan, even though they didn't realise it, is that the further they are estranged from the royal family and the further that they are away from British royal life, the lower their value in the US, where they are now treated as, I guess, B-list celebrities really, rather than bona fide superstars like Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales. Whether Harry and Meghan like it or not their only genuine commercial success stories have been completely reliant on their connection to the royal family. Obviously there was Harry's awful autobiography spare and that six-part moan fest on Netflix. Here's a reminder. Really hard to look back on it now and go what on earth happened you hear that that is the sound of hearts breaking all around the world

she's becoming a royal rock star and then everything changed there's a hierarchy of the family. You know, there's leaking, but there's also planting of stories. There was a war against Megan to suit other people's genders. It's about hatred. It's about race. It's a dirty game. The pain and suffering of women marrying into this institution, this feeding frenzy. I realized they're never going to protect you.

I was terrified. I didn't want history to repeat itself. No one knows the full truth. We know the full truth. It wasn't the truth. We all know that. And the thing is, every time the Duke and Duchess of Sussex made that decision to turn on their own flesh and blood in order to feather the Montecito nest, it's caused their popularity to plummet on both sides of the Atlantic,

which makes them an increasingly toxic prospect for potential future commercial partners and celebrities like Taylor Swift, who have continued to align themselves with William and Catherine rather than the Sussexes. Andrew E. Bourne, what do you make of this? Well, I think it's extraordinary. I know it's usual fodder with both William and Harry provide fodder on different stories for different sides. I feel a bit sorry for them, really, because they're accustomed to a certain living. They need certain security and it's really expensive. And Netflix being a commercial organisation, I know Ted has seen Dan and Can all the time at these various festivals. The reality is to be commercial, you need to make decisions that make financial sense.

It made no financial sense to carry on with $100 million, this five-year deal. So you need to look at what else you can do. But as a father, I get it that Charles is not only worried about, OK, what am I going to do with the money? But he must be worried about his son, I would have thought. And so you need to look at that side. The other thing as well, Dan, it's worth unpacking, is what happened to Princess Diana's estate? Because according to the High Court of Justice, that was worth about $30 million. And in addition to the money, which you mentioned from the late Queen Mother, late Queen Elizabeth's mother,

obviously that all adds up. You need to look at both sides of it. How much has he actually got in reality? How much is his lifestyle costing and what needs to be done to accordingly i mean charlie look he does have money i'm not trying to say that harry is on the bread line but i think what's interesting is the fear that charles has because he's clearly looking at this extravagant lifestyle that his youngest son is is leading demanding to fly private jets instead of commercial, even when he's going short distances across America. I mean, that really adds up very quickly. I suppose when you're born into money, which every royal is around the world, you get accustomed to living a certain way. So would you expect to see prince

harry flying ryanair you wouldn't it would be it wouldn't look right so when you're born into that luxury lifestyle of security range rovers police escorts private access to airports private dinners with presidents and other royals around the world i guess that's a hard thing to detach from irrespective of your incessant desire to detach from the institution itself and i don't really believe that harry does want to detach from the institution i think it's an easy way to make money as you said a moment ago he earned 100 million from netflix you said i'm sure he still got a lot of that left over provided they've actually paid him for that one television series they made.

And I have to be honest, I watched that when it came out. I watched it the whole way through. By episode three, I was bored because it turned into racism and woke and feminism. And I thought... Brexit's terrible, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

England's racist. All of their usual woke tropes. But, you know, I kind of hoped that the fairy tale would have lasted you know I still believe that Harry and Meghan will end up getting divorced which would be a massive problem for him with his kids I believe

I assume that she's probably not a very nice woman because you can't be that happy all the time and be sincere I just don't see it unless of course you're Andrewrew reborn he's always smiling i am always smiling but you know there's 18 staff members have have left so so we know don't we that megan doesn't treat people very well yeah no i i totally get that i i think that that you know that the documentary released harry and megan on netflix where they said that the UK was racist. I always say to people when I discuss those two that at the time they were celebrated so much.

Everyone wanted that to work. Everyone celebrated her. They amplified the fact that she was a mixed race woman being brought into the royal family. Now, for those who don't know, and I know that you and Andrew will, Dan, is that you have to get the blessing of the monarch to get married. So obviously the queen saw virtue in Meghan when she was alive. So what went wrong? It's funny that when you read Harry's autobiography, Spare, which I did do for professional purposes, it was hard going. He actually calls me a sad little man in the book as well, which I think is very true. Although, let's be honest, he's the sad little man in the book as well, which I think is very rude. Although let's be honest,

he's the sad little man, isn't he really? I'm very happy you just have to look at those photos of his long face. But actually, Harry tells the story of when he asked permission of the Queen to marry Meghan. And firstly, he should never have done that because it's really terrible to betray the late Queen's trust in that way,

especially a private conversation like that. But secondly, oh, she gave it reluctantly. She gave it reluctantly. She was no fan of Meghan, mark my words. Andrew, what do you make of this other content that they've got coming, though? Harry's executive producing a series, a reality series about Polo which yes i know it's cooking for her friends i mean do they have a chance of another hit or does it just feel like everyone's bored of them now well that the person who can make polo relatable is jilly cooper i mean she

wrote all those sort of books but it's all about sex and scandal most of these books are sold on the index at the back aren't they what names What names are you going to be mentioning? What sort of derogatory things can you say about people without defaming them on that sort of basis? As I say, what I sometimes like to do in the interest of balance, shine a good spotlight. One of the best things that Harry's ever done is the Invictus Games. And I think we should absolutely have a look at that and praise that when we can.

But these book deals and various other things where you sell out your own family I am so against that and I think they it always used to be never complained never explained for the royal family the queen was brilliant to that I know we're going to come on to Trump in a bit but the queen was absolutely brilliant and it feels like a betrayal I think that's the right word to use and the problem is Charlie if they do need to make more money unfortunately they're going to have to throw more mud and so i think that's where you get back to the worries that charles has because you know megan is threatening to write her autobiography well if harry's was bad can you imagine what his wife would say about the british royal family well i

didn't read prince harry's book and i and i won't be reading hers either i'll let it be dissected in the media and making my mind up on on reviews but because i'm not that interested in the couple i have to be honest with you i don't i don't find them entertaining i don't find them interesting i wish that we had the old harry where he was known for the country and and doing things with veterans and and you know he was just it felt like one of the lads didn't he he was one of the lads yeah yeah since he's married megan it seems to be amplifying her ambitions you know let's with all of the in tv and that's all they've done since they've been married is we don't like the royal family let's go back to tv

you could have done that you could have done that in america you could have stayed with suits that no one really watched anyone until it went to netflix and you could have done that. You could have done that in America. You could have stayed with suits that no one really watched until it went to Netflix. And you could have done your acting over there and carried on doing what you were doing. I do see this as a ladder climb. I hope that there is a way down from all these rungs they've climbed up.

Because I do think underneath it all Prince Harry is actually a very nice man. But he's been led away by a very beautiful woman. And also, the media changed their opinion, didn't they? If you look, I mean, Harry was a darling of the media at one stage. He was the exciting one. And actually, Meghan, to start with, people loved her.

And I think it all changed, didn't it? Well, it all changed because of their behaviour, absolutely. But look, Andrew, you mentioned that Daily Mail front page, which went all around the world. changed didn't it well it all changed because of their behavior absolutely but look andrew you mentioned that daily mail front page which went all around the world i actually thought it was really outrageous and really tasteless this new book that they're serializing from craig brown claiming that the queen said all of these horrible things about donald trump including the fact that he was very rude and that he must have an arrangement with Melania Trump. Now, I just do not believe it. I do not believe it. I think this is

all part of the MSM beat up on Trump because he's always really made a lot of political capital out of the fact that the Queen and him got on with each other and that they had that state banquet together. Well, interestingly, he went to the source today in order to hit back. He actually has given a really funny interview with the Daily Mail in the US, making it very clear what he thinks about this book. Watch. There's a new book coming out about the Queen

in the United Kingdom. Craig Brown has made a little bit of coming out about the Queen in the United Kingdom. Craig Brown has made a little bit of news because apparently the Queen told lunch guests you've been a little bit rude, had been looking over her shoulder when you met as if to find more interesting people to talk to. What did you make of that story? It was totally false. I have no idea who the writer is, but it was really just the opposite. I had a great relationship with the Queen. She liked me and I liked her. I spoke to her often and I spoke to her in particular when I was there. We spent hours together at a state dinner. She was a fantastic woman. I think it's

a shame that a sleazebag can write an article that's totally false. In fact, I've heard always the opposite. I heard I was her favorite president. And you've heard that too. She would say it to a lot of people. She said it to friends of mine that President Trump was my favorite president. And then you have this guy looking for some publicity for a book that probably is phony in a lot of other ways too. Now, I know nothing about him.

I have no idea who he is. We had an unbelievable relationship. She was an amazing woman. My God, I love yeah my god i love him i absolutely love donald trump is the master media manipulator the favorite president uh looking over his shoulder i think two things on this one i think it's outrageous that anybody discloses what the queen may or may not have said um but actually to put this into context for donald uh the queen met 13 that's one three out of 14 presidents during her 70 year reign.

And that's included the Kennedys and Reagan and Eisenhower and so on and so forth. I imagine she's probably gone pretty well with Reagan because he had a good sense of humour. The only one she didn't know, just for a fact of interest, is Lyndon Johnson. That's the only one. I'm not quite sure why he didn't make it. But Donald's brilliant to hit back. I think it was appalling, appalling that somebody disclosed what the Queen may have said, because she wouldn't have wanted that. And I had the joy of meeting her a couple of times, and she was glorious personified. And I think that the naughty one was obviously Prince Philip,

who would always have a little side joke and so on and so forth. I was introduced to him, you know, I'm a barrister, and we went to Middle Temple for a dinner. And I was introduced, this is Andrew E. Bourne, he's a barrister and also a magician. And she said, how nice. And Prince Philip came back and said, I bet that's good for pulling the birds, is what he said to me. Yeah, I think this was a political hit job, Charlie. Everything's designed to attack Trump, isn't it, when it's coming from the mainstream media, probably a mainstream publisher,

because any time something is leaked out of the mouth of the late queen, there is always a political reason for it. You'll remember the very famous Sunfront page, which I didn't have a problem with, actually, because it suits my purposes. But do you remember Queen backs Brexit? So when these things are linked there is usually a political purpose i think this is all about humiliating trump yeah it likely is i mean you know this year's election in america is very important and even in death the queen's influence still lives

on so just for him to say that he was the queen's favorite president i mean look you if you ask trump about anybody that he would say that they said he was their favorite no matter who you're talking about they're always uh in favor of trump but i do agree with you there is a hit job here who knows i doubt it very much that he was looking around for other people to talk to because even before meeting the queen during his time in the uk and since her passing he's always praised her and it doesn't seem to be with any agenda on his part indeed indeed well what a day we've covered it all thank you so much to my brilliant superstar panel, the political commentator, host of X Uncensored on X, Charlie Sansom. And Jack of all trades, he does so many things, including being a futurist.

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