Dan Wootton Outspoken - FURY AS NIGEL FARAGE & RUPERT LOWE REVEAL TRUTH ABOUT UK INVASION AFTER SICK STARMER LIES

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra 4 months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price! The so-called only right sure has made a difference because Slippery Starmer is now claiming he believes in cutting immigration. But, of course, what the Prime Minister delivered was a succession of sick lies about the invasion of the United Kingdom and once again proved he is completely incapable of solving a crisis that is fast destroying Britain as we know it. Dan will explain why in his Digest and then get the verdict of Alex Phillips, host of That’s What She Said on Substack and a former Brexit Party MEP. PLUS: Surely child killer Islamist terrorists should just be put to death, rather than attack innocent prison officers with boiling water behind bars? How long until the Southport Massacre monster Axel Rudakubana is allowed to kill someone else? We’ll debate. AND: What was REALLY going on between Starmer, Macron and Merz in their bizarre cocaine video on board a train over the weekend? We’ll reveal all. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: What’s behind Meghan Markle’s cringe worthy Beyonce-inspired social media binge over the weekend, as she shares another dodgy picture of Prince Archie and Princess Lilibett. We’ll team up with the Royal News Network for the latest. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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i hope you had the most wonderful weekend happy mother's day by the way to all our moms in the united states and moms in new zealand especially mine of course my mama this was one of our last pictures together a little beach walk in new zealand over the Christmas break, and I love you very much. So thank you, my mum, for everything. Okay, on with the show. And wow, holy mackerel, the so-called online right sure has made a difference because Slippery Starmer now claiming that he believes in the wholesale cutting of immigration numbers. A one nation experiment in open borders, conducted on a country that voted for control. Well, no more. Today, this Labour government is shutting down the lab. The experiment is over. We will deliver what you've asked for

time and again, and we will take back control of our borders. So, I mean, it sounded like a Nigel Farage or Rupert Lowe speech, right? But of course, what Starmer was actually delivering was a succession of sick lies about the invasion of the United Kingdom. Once again, he proved he is completely incapable of solving a crisis that is fast destroying Britain as we know it. So I'm going to explain why in my digest next, then we'll get the verdict of Alex Phillips, host of That's What She Said on Substack and a former Brexit party MEP. Also coming up on the show today, surely child killer Islamist terrorists should just be put to death, right? Rather than attack innocent prison officers with boiling water behind bars? I mean,

how long until the Southport Massacre monster Axel Rudi Kupana is actually allowed to kill someone else? We will debate. Plus, what was really going on between Starmer, Macron and MERS and their bizarre cocaine video on board a train over the weekend? And why the hell was Prince Harry cruising the dangerous streets of London on his own? GB News has suggested it might have something to do with a substance popularised by Columbia. We'll show you that on-air bombshell and reveal what's really going on. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, what's behind Meghan Markle's cringeworthy Beyonce-inspired social media binge over the weekend as she shares another dodgy picture of Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet?

Well, team up with the Royal News Network for the latest and you can sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Goodness gracious me, it's also the return of Greatest British Union, Jackass, the first of the week. So many choices over the past couple of days. These are your three nominees. You can vote for your winner in the live chat on YouTube. Prince Harry, nominated by African Rhino 999 for his dumb interview asking for reconciliation, but at the same time them accusing them of wanting to kill him off kent police nominated by mick cass because the officer

rummaging through the man's possessions and suggesting something is very brexity is the wrong thing to vote for and macron nominated Big Mama Booth for having nothing to see bar a used napkin tissue or strange stirrers too small to stir anything bar a shot of mouthwash. And why was Stama in Zelensky's clothes? And Owen Jones. Oh, I actually think I've got the wrong nominees here, have I? Owen Jones. I've got one. Sorry, have I Owen Jones I've got one sorry Prince Harry isn't nominated I got excited I'm so sorry about whoever nominated Prince Harry who was that African Rhino 999 I think maybe that's because Prince Harry actually won last week the whole thing the worst British in the world so we're going to have to go with Owen Jones instead

my apologies nominated by the grift report what a great name on X for demanding that Israel are kicked out of Eurovision. Okay, so there are your three choices to clarify. It's Macron, it's the Kent police, and it's Owen Jones. Get voting now on the live chat on YouTube. I'll also reveal the greatest Britain at the end of the show. But now, let's go. So Slippery Starmer is right about one thing. The United Kingdom is now tragically an island of strangers. After the elite class, deep state and uni party spent six decades, from Enoch Powell in the 1960s to Rupert Lowe today, ignoring our opposition to mass immigration, both legal and illegal, destroying the fabric of Great Britain as we know it. But other than that,

this Labour government's plan to finally cut immigration today is nothing more than weasel words from a Prime Minister who believes the opposite of what he is actually advocating. So it took Reform UK's smashing of the uni party at the local elections for Starmer to make any form of commitment. I should point out that cutting mass immigration didn't make it onto as much vaunted missions or his much talked about first steps or those really important milestones. And even today, there was no net migration, proving that Starmer is all talk. And by posting simply a nine-second clip from the Downing Street press conference, Nigel Farage was able to completely expose Starmer's plan as bullshit, writing,

this government will not do what it takes to control our borders. Only Reform UK will leave the ECHR and deport illegal migrants. Watch those critical nine seconds that he is referring to. Does going further mean disentangling ourselves from the ECHR and disapplying human rights laws in immigration cases? No. So there you go. He's admitted it himself. Indeed, Farage and mass deportation game changer Rupert Lowe

kept on blowing holes in Starmer's tough rhetoric. Take back control. Everyone knows that slogan. And everyone knows what it meant on immigration. or at least that's what people thought. Because what followed from the previous government, starting with the people going round our country, telling people with a straight face that they would get immigration down, net migration quadrupled until in 2023 it reached nearly one million. That's about the population of Birmingham, our second largest city. That's not control. It's chaos. But Farage posted on X,

on the day of Keir Starmer's big fight back against Reform UK, 250 young men are already crossing the channel by 8am. How many are Iranian terrorists? And indeed, Starmer's tough talk was just completely transparent. I don't think that you can do something like that by accident. It was a choice. A choice made even, as they told you, told the country, they were doing the opposite. A one nation experiment in open borders, conducted on a country that voted for control.

Well, no more. Today, this Labour government is shutting down the lab. The experiment is over. We will deliver what you've asked for time and again, and we will take back control of our borders. But as Farage pointed out, whilst Keir Starmer was making promises he can't keep in London, here were the scenes in Calais and Dover this morning. Look at this. Utter carnage. And that is what has been imported into our country on a daily basis. What's more, Starmer's plan to smash the gangs, well, that's already dead. With record numbers of terrorists, rapists and murderers arriving via the channel so far this year in an unprecedented invasion that the mainstream media has still not decided is the number one story of the day. Watch Starmer's pathetic response when he was asked about this very obvious failure by the Sun newspaper.

Prime Minister, you said just now this is a comprehensive plan to bring down legal migration. You also said in the election you had a comprehensive plan to bring down illegal migration. And so far it seems that isn't working. Small boat crossings are going up on your watch. So why should voters think that your plan to bring down illegal migration will fare any better, especially given you're considering an EU mobility scheme which could actually increase it? Well, let's tackle that head on, because nobody but nobody should be getting in a small boat to cross over the Channel and illegally entering this country.

The last government lost control of the borders. It falls to this government to clear up that mess in the same way we're clearing up all the other messes that they left behind. I am convinced that the way to do that is to take down the gangs that are running the vile trade. And for that reason, we've drafted and put before Parliament a Borders Bill, which follows through on the promises I made, which is we need to give law enforcement greater powers,

going down the counter-terrorism powers. The thing that distinguishes counter-terrorism from other law enforcement is you can take action earlier. You can be pre-emptive. You can operate in a completely different way. That's why we've gone for a package that allows law enforcement to get in much earlier. That is going through Parliament.

Who is voting against that? The Tories who caused the problem um in the first place well yes they did cause the problem in the first place prime minister but you promised us that you were going to stop the illegal invasion by smashing the gangs and let me tell you mate you were talking are talking rubbish. Look at this. Record numbers in 2025. I mean, talk about a case of bad timing, as Mark White of GB News wrote. On the day the Prime Minister unveiled his plans to reduce migration levels, his plans for smashing the gangs have taken another blow. More than 12,000 small boat migrants have now crossed this year, with another 400 arriving this morning. And I mean, look at them, pouring in.

And these scumbags of society, some of whom are terrorists, some of whom are rapists, some of whom are murderers, who have all broken into Britain, now live amongst us. As Tommy Robinson's team pointed out at the weekend, Starmer has begun moving the thousands of fighting-age foreign men out of hotels. Is he deporting them? Of course not. He is now placing them into social housing in quiet mining towns. A local in Bishop Auckland filmed the shameful act this week. Operation Scatter is happening, folks. We are now surrounded by this evil. And of course, Starmer has never attempted to or wanted to control immigration

on any level. He is an open border zealot. Guido Fawkes pointed out today all the times Labour opposed plans to strengthen our borders. Starmer himself once posted on our ex, we need urgent action to take refugees and review of ineffective asylum rules. Not to mention a succession of speeches advocating for the UK to become an immigration nation. The whole United Kingdom is better because of immigration and I think if I'm honest the Labour Party has been a bit scared of making the positive case for immigration for quite a number of years and I think we need to turn that around. So we have to make the case for the benefits of migration, the benefits of free movement.

There's one thing, but choosing to defend Hizb ut-Tahrir and the European Court of Human Rights, stop them being banned from Germany, did you take money for that? Yes. So we have to make the case for the benefits of migration, the benefits of free movement. So what has changed? Well,ed rupert low well he was axed from reform uk wasn't he as an mp rupert low still an mp still a great mp for great yarmouth

argued the so-called online right has all of a sudden made mass deportations a mainstream part of the political debate. Watch. People who come here need to respect the fact that we are a Christian country. We have our own laws. We have our own history. And at the end of the day, I'm afraid a lot of them are not integrating into our society. They don't like our society. They don't like what we stand for. And what we've got to do is if people are going to come here, they have to integrate with us. And as a result, Lowe slammed Starmer's announcement today as wholly inadequate, arguing net migration will remain in the hundreds of thousands for years to come. We don't just need to stop the flow. We need to start emptying the bath. For the foreseeable future, more people need to be leaving than settling. He also argued anyone coming to the UK should be able to speak English before they arrive.

Writing of Starmer's claim that migrants should commit to learning English after they've got here, total tripe. They shouldn't commit to learning English. They should be entirely fluent before they arrive. You live in England. You speak English. And who can disagree with that, right? You want to come here. You learn English. End of story. And we're going to test you before you step foot into this country. The irony is, though, that I believe Starmer has actually signed his political death warrant today by pledging to take back control of our borders with no plan to do so. As the Mail on Sunday columnist Dan Hodges predicted, these words will be carved on Keir Starmer's political tombstone.

And it's that line with him saying, we will take back control. And even Labour moderates like ex-Labour MP Gloria DiPiero have had enough of Starmer, arguing, I honestly don't get how it has come to this. And yes, I am still a Labour Party member and proud to be so, but we haven't learned enough lessons since the appalling insult to the intelligence of people who voted Brexit. No wonder even young people. Here's the reality. Slippery Starmer is an empty shell of a politician. And I truly believe it is now only a matter of time before the Labour left have had enough. And guess what happens then? Prime Minister Angela Rayner, which I think will see quite a few of us

considering self-deportation. Now, here's Alex Phillips. oh and your beautiful pussy alex wow this is such a treat who is this been wandering in front of the laptop she has been nuzzling up to me and then at one point she saw something in garden and ran out and i thought okay job done mog's not going to interrupt the broadcast but apparently she is so i'm sorry no oh't go. That's the only thing that's cheered me up today, Alex. Beautiful, beautiful. You know, I have my have my dirk and I'm a big I'm a big fan of cats. So that is lovely. But Alex, look, this speech today, tough rhetoric, but absolutely nothing to show that actually he has any understanding of what it's going to require to take back control of our borders. It's a bit like saying I'm going to build a supercar. I'm going to soup up my old mini Mayfair and turn it into something that could compete in Le Mans. OK, great. What are you actually going to do? Are you putting in a new engine? Are you changing the aerodynamics?

The problem is it's all rhetoric. Again, we've had this in successive governments. And we know by now, don't we, that we're tangled in a Gordian knot of legislation that's emanated from the ECHR, that's emanated as well from the Human Rights Act in this country, which has embedded a lot of those crass rulings from the ECHR into British legislative canon and case precedent. And he hasn't touched at all on two main things. Number one is, OK, Parliament's going to have sovereignty over deportations. By what mechanism? Because it would amaze me if the Labour Party wanted to see rid of the ECHR or wanted to see rid of the Supreme Court or wanted to see rid of the ECHR or wanted to see rid of the Supreme Court or wanted to see rid of the Human Rights Act. So great, you've set yourself up to fail potentially.

And the other one is when he talks about integration and learning language and okay, by what mechanism? Because if the Labour Party suddenly turned out and came with a draft of legislation that said okay there's not going to be any more hijabs in schools we're going to ban the burqa we're going to make sure that everybody coming to this country can already speak fluent English we're going to really look into community cohesion and go into those hot spots where clearly they don't uphold our cultural mores, great. I would love to see that happen. And I wouldn't chastise any party in government of any colour

and whatever rosette they got elected under from doing these things because ultimately we want to see them done. It's not about who gets to win the competition. It's about changing this country. And so if Labour can do it, then I would love it. But there was not even an iota, an iota of indication of what particular levers they're going to pull and what mechanisms they're going to use. So unfortunately, right now, that white paper looks like hot air without any backup. But I would say this, they know that reform, well, they're not just snapping at the heels,

they're totalling all the legacy parties with a nine point lead over the Labour Party in the latest YouGov polling. And so they're going to have to respond to that. The question is, do they have the guts? Do they have the metal? I think voters already have the answer to that. And the problem is, Alex, the Conservative Party can shout from the sidelines all they want, but it was them who inflicted this on us. So look at what we saw today. Kemi Badenoch, new Tory leader. Keir Starmer once called all immigration laws racist.

So why would anyone believe he actually wants to bring immigration down? When I proposed ending the automatic route to British citizenship and introducing a legally binding cap, the government laughed it off. Now, nine months into office and after voting against every serious attempt we've put forward to cut numbers, Starmer suddenly wants you to think he cares. Labour doesn't believe in secure borders. You can't trust them to protect ours. And that is true, though. Those last few words, definitely true. Of course, you can't trust them to protect our border. But unfortunately, Alex, you also can't trust the Conservative Party, can you? Which threw open our borders despite Brexit. And even now, even now, Badenoch is not prepared to say we've got to leave the ECHR.

Yeah, exactly. And there's been a sort of hubbub lately, hasn't there, about a potential Boris Johnson return. He's been back on the airwaves, writing columns, poking away like a vulture circling a carcass and smelling blood when it comes to the demise of the Conservative Party, thinking this is where, when he said, hasta la vista, this is the moment that he could come back. And yet, we know that if you look at the record of boris johnson he was the one who lowered the threshold of salaries to make sure that more people could come into vital sectors and provide support in agriculture and all these other elements where apparently we haven't got a workforce to do it of course we do um and so i just think that you know

voters have woken up not just in the uk but around the world and they want to see action, not just words. And they realise that immigration has been a political football. The taboo has gone now. You know, scales have fallen away from people's eyes and everything has changed. And so suddenly you find parties who have gotten away with paying lip service for so many years exposed. It's like the emperor's new clothes. All of a sudden people are looking at the response of the Conservative Party, looking at Labour's white paper and saying, all right, we've heard this before.

It's like the boy who cried wolf. And so nobody believes it. Alex, I'm really glad you brought up the Boris Johnson rumours, though, because I did want to ask you about this. He is banking on the fact that there is going to be enough internal issues within Reform UK that will provide him a path back. You will have seen in his mail column a couple of weeks ago, he raised the Rupert Lowe issue and said, oh, I actually really feel sorry for that chap. And then over the

weekend, we had this from his allies. Now, this is to the Mail on Sunday, just a reminder to people, Boris Johnson is a columnist for the Daily Mail. So I think we have a fair idea of who these allies are, right? So the headline here, Boris Johnson allies predict the former prime minister will swoop into rescue Tories when reform self-destructs in just a matter of years. They report Boris Johnson expects Farage's Reform UK to self-destructs in just a matter of years. They report Boris Johnson expects Farage's Reform UK to self-destruct before the next election, at which point he would swoop back in to rescue the Tories. An ally said Boris is convinced that the wheels will come off the reform bandwagon within three years, that they will be found wanting in the areas where they have won power and voters will tire of all the fruitcakes and loonies they have in their ranks. Then he would come back as leader,

although the exact mechanism for that is unclear. It has to be said, however, that not all of his friends are convinced that reform will be a flash in the pan. Well, maybe those other friends have some sense because I think they're certainly not. But it's interesting, isn't it, Alex, that he's pushing this whole fruitcake loony idea reform is going to collapse. What do you make of it? Well, we saw he's just taken David Cameron's playbook off the shelf, hasn't he? Label reform fruitcake lunatics and closet racists. I didn't work first time around. It's even less likely to work this time around. Don't

insult the people who you want to support you. Secondly, this idea that, well, you know, it will be an internal collapse of reform, which is going to see leadership problems and integrity and coherence within the party dissolve. Mate, you were pushed out of the party by your own faction fighting. So the idea that we're going to listen to Boris Johnson saying that the Conservatives can pull it together and become a cohesive team that people are going to trust after three prime ministers in less than a year, including his own personal ousting. I mean, it's just ridiculous. They don't have anything yet left to play. They don't have a card to play. They've tried everything and the voters have woken up to it. They don't have a card to play. They've tried everything and the

voters have woken up to it. The only thing that is going to work is going to be if someone actually does what needs to be done. It is very simple. Breaking right now calls for the death penalty to return in the United Kingdom, specifically as a result of Axel Rudigerbadner, the Islamist terrorist child killer who took the lives of those three young girls at a Taylor Swift dance concert, being investigated for an alleged attack on a prison officer behind bars at Belmarsh, where he tipped boiling water over their head. Now, let me tell you this whole story, and excuse the pun, but it makes my blood boil. This man is going to cost us dearly for decades and decades and decades behind bars, unless he's taken out by one of his fellow prisoners. And yet, are we seriously going

to step back and allow him to take the life of a good, honest prison guard. So you can imagine, this despicable story, which broke on Friday night, has rocked the country and rocked all of our moral consciences over the weekend. With Basil the Great reporting Rupert Lowe has called for a debate on use of the death penalty in extreme circumstances. Indeed, the Axed Reform UK MP posted, I reiterate my belief that now is the time for a national debate on the use of the death penalty in exceptional circumstances. Prison staff are being put in harm's way because our system fails to properly protect them from violent and extremist prisoners. Serious concerns have been raised with me by staff about their safety. I have written to the Secretary of State asking

for urgent action. There was a similar theme after this incident taken up by Robert Jenrick, currently the Conservative Shadow Justice Secretary, but likely to be the next leader of the party. We'll get analysis from Alex Phillips very shortly, but first have a look at what Generic had to say. Since when did the right of a sick criminal to make a cup of tea come before the safety of a prison officer? On Thursday, we're told the Southport killer, Axel Rudacabana, attacked a prison officer with boiling water.

The officer was hospitalised. My thoughts are with him and his family. This wasn't an isolated case. For weeks I have warned about the safety of prison officers in some of our highest security prisons. Just a few weeks ago, one of the terrorists behind the Manchester Arena bombing attacked prison officers with a makeshift weapon and boiling oil, which he'd somehow managed to get hold of, despite being in a supposed segregation centre in a top security prison. Well, enough is enough. We must never put the rights of criminals and terrorists

above the safety of prison officers. Labour's Justice Secretary needs to get a grip, or else I fear it is only a matter of time before a prison officer loses their life. Well, of course, Alex, because we saw this other attack, didn't we, on a prison officer by one of the Manchester bombing accused just a couple of weeks ago. And I just can't get my head around this, Alex Phillips. So it's like Axel Rudi Cabana doesn't have to be forced to go and listen to the victim impact statements of the families of young Bibi and the other girls, plus the victims who were not killed. He didn't even have to be in court that day to listen to the victim impact statement. But he is allowed boiling water in his cell to attack a prison guard.

Now, we already know, by the way, from Tommy Robinson in conversation with me, that Rudi Gabbana is practicing as a Muslim behind bars at Belmarsh prison. Now he's also attacking prison officers. So surely, Alex Phillips, there needs to be a discussion about whether someone like this should actually in future face the death penalty. I know we can't change the laws retrospectively, but seriously, if we're not going to kill a man like this, have we just lost it? Look, this to me is a black and white case. I don't believe in the death penalty. I'm sorry. There might be a lot of people who disagree with that. I'm a Christian. Taking life is morally wrong. However monstrous, however ghastly, however evil somebody is, taking a life is wrong.

And so I don't back personally the death penalty. That's not to say that my own personal religious view should affect the nation's views. And so if it's put to a referenda, then fine. But what I think is so wrong in our prison system is you look at prison in El Salvador, right, since Bokele has taken over the governance of that country. And it's not exactly hanging out, playing on PlayStation, going to a little kitchen, making cups of tea, making life inside prison as close to what life is like outside prison as possible. That's mad. Prison is supposed to be a punishment. Now, I don't believe in taking a life, but I do believe a creature like that is not human. I do believe they're a caged animal and should be treated as such.

There's actually talk today in the newspapers that he's now going to be just served food through a hatch. Fine. Why wasn't he to begin with? There was a fascinating statement in one of the newspaper reports about this, where some of the prison services have said, well, clearly, he's not been rehabilitated yet. Really? Did you honestly think that going to prison and allowing him to like make his own cups of tea is going to suddenly change the mass dewiring of this sort of satanic creature's brain? So no, I don't believe in taking a life. But I don't believe equally that prison should be some sort of gateway to normality. You know, it's supposed to be punitive. It's supposed to be a retribution. And then for those people who can be rehabilitated, which this man can't, that's very clearly obvious.

There needs to be a way of making these people able, fit and ready to reintegrate into society if they repent for what they have done and they are able to go back and live as normal contributing citizens. But this is a man with, he's not, you know, he's not due to come out of prison until his 70s, if that. I mean, that's not going to happen at any point. So why on earth does he have a feathered existence where he's able to go and make hot beverages when he wants or just leave his cell full stop I mean prison should be somewhere that people fear going to they should not want that under any circumstances it shouldn't be a case of I'll just go do six months and then that will happen and this will happen then I'll come back

out and my mate's this and And no, people should be terrified of prison. They should have chills to their bone about the idea of going to prison. And we've had two incidents lately, which proves that actually that is not the case. And I would rather we looked at that, that we looked at the sort of parameters of freedom that prison allows, the most dangerous of convicts, and question that before we go down the route of taking lives. That's my own personal view. There'll be many people listening who just think the death penalty in extreme circumstances should be brought back. I grew up in Gloucester, which is famous, of course, for Fred and Rose West. And I didn't just grow up in Gloucester knowing that that shadow hung over my city,

but I knew people involved. And it's really hard to square a circle when you've got demons, subhuman entities like those two. But I still maintain that taking a life doesn't sort of chalk something up on a tally that makes it right. But prison shouldn't be easy. It's that simple.

Yeah, I mean, a huge amount to pick up on that. I guess the first thing is this source from The Sun that revealed the news saying he is clearly not rehabilitated at all. And someone like him has nothing to lose is absolutely spot on because he's never going to be rehabilitated at all and someone like him has nothing to lose is absolutely spot on because he's never going to be rehabilitated but this is the problem the fact that he doesn't have a whole life tariff means that in theory the prison system has to try and rehabilitate this guy so that's the first thing he should never be allowed out if you don't believe in the death penalty, I think most people would believe that there is no way that this guy should step foot outside prison ever again. can actually prove someone has committed the crimes. There have been some horrendous miscarriages of justice. So I think it has to be a case where there is absolute categorical evidence that the crime was committed. But in this case, there is that evidence. And I would obviously

also believe that the families of the victims, so in this case, Elsie, Bebe and Alice should have some type of say as well. But the problem, I think, Alex, is that we're in a situation where our prisons are no longer safe for the people who work within them. And there is a real issue, again, which is not discussed in the mainstream media. It's considered one of those taboo topics. But most of our major prisons, including Balmarshallaks, are now run by these extreme Muslim gangs.

And it's a massive issue. Clearly, Rudi Kabbana is protected in some way because he is now a practicing Muslim behind bars. We know that at HMP Woodhill, the reason that Tommy Robinson is in solitary is because the belief is that the Muslim gangs would be able to kill him if he was in the general population. So while this doesn't necessarily directly relate to the Rudra Gopana case, it is so shocking, is it not, that we have allowed our prisons to get to a state and a stage where they are being run by a particular sectarian group. Yeah, it's mental. This idea that prison is somewhere that, you know,

people can go and just continue normal life, but without being sort of, you know, as part of society is crazy. I would like prisons to be bloody awful places. I'd like prisons, like I said, to strike fear into the heart of even the toughest of ganglords. And it's not just Muslim gangs. That's a huge problem. But it's also organized crime. The amount of like big drug kingpins who are flying, you know, spice and various other narcotics into prisons using drones. And then what happens when you say, well, OK, so how do they repay their debts inside prison? They use people in the outside world as collateral damage, family members and friends and all the rest of it. It's just a joke. Our prisons should be somewhere that essentially, you know, you're stuck in disgusting conditions that you shouldn't want to tolerate. And when it

comes to the death penalty, there are some people out there who might believe, and especially if someone is a practicing Muslim, who doesn't really believe in the value of life on earth anyway, and thinks they're going to be greeted in the afterlife by 72 virgins, that actually the death penalty is an easy way out. I don't think prisoners, especially those that actually with a cabana should cost the taxpayer thousands of pounds. It's very easy. You just put them in some sort of oubliette, make sure that they're fed enough to not die and then just let them fester because that is what prison should be. It should be punitive. And what's happened, and again, it's due to things like membership of the ECHR, that the rights of

prisoners and access to family life and access to this sort of freedom and being able to walk around the block and have exercise and have books and have all these sort of creature comforts, because it'd be against their human rights if they didn't have those creature comforts, because it'd be against their human rights if they didn't have those creature comforts, has become entangled within the way that prisons are operated. I mean, it's absolutely crazy. If you go to most prisons outside of the Western world, they're not anywhere that anybody could tolerate for even a week. I'm not saying that when people have committed low level crimes, fraud, casual burglary, people who can be redeemed. And I'm a huge believer in the redemptive power, you know, should be used with inside prisons. But this idea that prisons can be like a home from home is just absolutely mad.

I mean, that's just essentially putting people who are monsters under the same conditions as lockdown during COVID. I mean, there has to be some sort of delineation between this is life in the outside world and this is life when you have committed a felony that shocks and disgusts humanity to its core. And this is something that's gone horribly wrong. We need to look at it. Yes, it's going to upset all of the legal rights lawyers

that are drifting around, who are taking these cases of prisoners and saying they deserve representation too aren't we a nice and cuddly system everyone gets to challenge the law well do you know what iron bar should be iron bars cells should be cells that is what prison is for and if this horrible monstrous thing he's not even a human. If this thing had access to boiling water, what else has he got access to? I know, I know. Alex, just a quick word. What did you make of the fact that Tommy Robinson deleted, silenced from X last week, paving the way potentially for his early release from prison? Well, you know, I support him in doing that and what it might take

in terms of making sure that he can come back to society because he's no Axel Rudder Cabana, is he? I mean, it's ridiculous that he's in solitary confinement because he is at risk due to other inmates. It was a civil case. I don't think he should be under the conditions he's in at all. But also, we do know there have been other charges levelled against him, such as terrorism charges, because he wouldn't hand over his mobile phone at the behest of counter-terror police. But this is where you have a situation where, and Tommy Robinson is one case, but he's not the sole case i want to constantly remind people of the woman who is serving 32 months in prison for a tweet that was up there or facebook post or something for all of two hours before she deleted it and she

she's never put a foot wrong in her life well lucy con, by the way, there is the appeal hearing on Thursday at the Court of Appeal. I'm going to be there. The Free Speech Union will be there protesting, saying police our streets, not tweets with big signs. And I hope and pray, Alex Phillips, that we get good news, because, of course, if they do overturn the decision, Lucy Connolly would be released immediately. But she's not the only one. There's Julie Sweeney as well, who's a grandmother and hasn't had the same type of mainstream media coverage. Well, is anyone fighting for her grandmother who put up a Facebook post and is in prison for over two years? Absolutely nuts. Okay, so we've got to talk about the Keir Starmer, Emmanuel Macron, Frederic Meurs cocaine video. What do you make of this? Because it really has

divided the right. Some people say, oh, you're just buying into pro-Russian propaganda if you take this at all seriously. Others saying, actually, there's a lot of evidence over the past few years that our elite class, including the likes of Prince Harry, are very much driven by drug use. So let's take this in now with Alex Phillips of That's What She Said and a former Brexit Party MEP. Here is the full video that got the world talking. And you can see here. It's a long walk.

I'll be back in Poland. It's through my bathroom yeah it's literally we came through Germany and then we made it to Poland we got through the border right it would be a little bit weird

okay so Alex you can see here the three leaders arriving on this train traveling to kiev and macron and i think we've got a picture of him looks very animated and the suggestion is that there was a packet of cocaine and a white cocaine spoon that was very quickly removed. And if you look in slow motion, that certainly seems to be what they're doing. They're panicking. And Alex Jones of Infowars wrote,

Developing scandal, Macron, Starmer and Mears caught on video on their return from Kiev, a bag of white powder on the table. Macron quickly pockets it. Mears hides the spoon. No explanation given. Zelensky, known cocaine enthusiast, had just hosted them. All three of the leaders look completely cracked out. Cocaine-fueled nuclear war war loving megalomaniacs on display uh and this got a lot of pickup across right wing uh ex alex you know the online right cat turd love cat turd uh they wrote it was just a tissue and a stirrup with the face of someone quite clearly on something uh our friend jesus Onike Rosas wrote, there's a desk right behind him,

so there must be a trash can somewhere. Why bother so much putting the used napkin in his pocket if he could have just grabbed it outright and thrown it in the bin? So this prompted an official pushback, an official denial from the Elysee Palace on behalf of Macron, which wrote, when European Union becomes inconvenient, disinformation goes so far as to make a simple

tissue look like drugs. This fake news is being spread by France's enemies, both abroad and at home. We must remain vigilant against manipulation. And they even posted, you can see that this is a tissue for blowing your nose. This is European unity to build peace. But I mean, lots of very sane people, even on the right of politics here in the United Kingdom, Alex, do believe something is up. Louis Brackpool, good friend of this show, posted on X, is anyone actually surprised that Macron, Starmer and that German bloke allegedly love getting on the gear? I'm not. It honestly explains a lot about how mental Europe is right now. Decisions being made by people who aren't even sober. Okay, Alex Phillips, there's the evidence. What's your verdict? Something dodgy up here?

I love this story. And I went down the wormhole of looking at everything, every little camera angle, every little slow-mo replay, looking at the mealy mouth statement, looking at the expressions on those men's faces. I don't know is the answer. But look, if that's just a tissue macron wouldn't be looking so sheepish at covering it up it would just be a bloody tissue it'd be left on the desk um i spoke to somebody who's in french intelligence right and i and he sent it he was already sent it to me in the first place and i said this can't be and uh and he said well this is the statement that's been put out this is what's being said and then he just said about an hour passed and then he replied to me going this looks legit wow but i don't know is the answer because you know so many things that could be deliberately pressed you know pressed on to us and this is the sort of strange world we're living in now what is true and what isn't true but everything about you know 80 percent of

body language 80 percent of communication is done through body language everything about Macron's face and Merck's face looks guilty as hell doesn't it I don't know what the truth is we will never know because if they were all enjoying a line together they're hardly about to put up a press statement saying so what's ironic and this is no condoning drugs use okay because I'm not that sort of person at all um but what's ironic is and this is no condoning drugs use, OK, because I'm not that sort of person at all. But what's ironic is, if anything, this might actually give people like Macron and Starmer a bit more credibility, that they might seem a bit more, I don't know, fallible and human rather than robotic. But this fascinating, entertaining entity that's copped up in global affairs.

I don't think anything's going to come of it. And like I said, I have been down the full analysis of all of this. And I can't seem to slice or dice this as, you know, there is no way of them proving otherwise. And like I said, if it's just a dirty hanky, it's nicely folded, isn't it, for a dirty hanky? If it was just a dirty hanky, why all of the sort of uncomfortable trying to move it

out of shot the facial expressions it i mean look i think sometimes as a human being you've just got to trust your gut and look at the facial reactions of other people you don't need a jeremy carl lie detector test there's so much that we can ascertain just through other people's little giveaways, little mannerisms, you know, the poker face scenario and make your own mind up. And it's one of the risks, isn't it, of the fact that now these politicians are desperately trying to humanise themselves by taking this behind the scenes footage that we wouldn't usually see. And clearly, in this case, they hadn't probably cleared up the table. Katie Hopkins had an amusing take alex watch news for macron and his little gay buddies caught on a train with either a tissue and a coffee stirrer or heroin and a small spoon no one can be sure because of ai what

we can be certain of is it looks very much like when you go onto Pornhub and go to the homosexual erotica section. And maybe that is what's going on on the train. Either way, I wouldn't want to watch it. And Dapper laughs. He imagined, Alex, what Starmer may have been thinking in this potential set-up. Macron, is that you? Macron, it's me, Gia Starmer. See what I did there? It's Gia Starmer.

But I'm very excited about the train sesh. Listen, I wanted to ask, does Frederic get on it? No, no, I know Zelensky does. He'll be bang on the marching powder, but he gets pop grub. So I was just checking Fredericks in, and if so, I was going to pick up before I come over. No, you cheeky fucker. I do like a freebie, but no, it's my chow.

Okay, I'll get it. Well, technically, it's not the taxpayer, isn't it? Great British people. Yeah, we just put it up. Again, we've got a bit of dough in. Okay, no problem. Listen, McRod it up. Again, we've got a bit of dough in. Okay, no problem. Listen, McQuad,

McQuad, before you go, do you want me to get some Viagra? Are we brassing? Are we brassing? I'm joking. Lord Ali would kill me if I had sex with a woman again. Let's just rip some fat lines

and then we can release the sausages. Too soon. No, no, Angela won't be coming. Don't worry. Jesus Christ christ she won't be chewing our ears off again she'll just turn up with some northern nose candy cut with chip gravy and try nationalizing the sesh three lines for the workers listen should i get three for a one out one each okay no problem i'll get it off the elbows they love me oh no no it's good gear you should know it comes from France. Okay, don't worry. Yeah. Oh, no, it's all net zero coke, mate. It arrives in an Uber. Okay.

I'll see you in a bit. Oh, Alex, he's good, isn't he? He's good. You know, though, Alex, there are a lot of people saying that our leaders should be forced to take drug tests. And I think, why not? Oh, no. I mean, look, I don't think that anyone should be doing A-class drugs or doing anything under the influence of drugs. I really don't. But, you know, and I stand by that. But, you know, I watched on VE Day, The Darkest Hour, right, of Winston Churchill, our favourite, you know, wartime leader. He didn't get out of bed till about 11.30 in the morning after having done a glass of champagne, a Scotch and soda and, you

know, a full English breakfast and got some sort of hard done by typist to sort of, you know, perform his administrative duties. I don't like the idea of this puritanical approach to leaders at all. And we just need people who are good leaders. But I'm not saying that we should tolerate statesmen doing lines of coke on a train to Ukraine. We don't know what's gone on in this at all. But it's been really enjoyable in many respects to watch the fallout from it.

I've actually bloody enjoyed it as entertainment, if I'm honest. Let leaders be judged on their delivery as leaders. Yes, good point. But, I mean, Hitler, Alex, was apparently high through most of World War II. And there's also been, look, how do I put this politely, increasing concerns, Alex, about Kamala Harris and whether there might be a bit of a excess drinking issue going on, especially since losing to Donald Trump. This was the latest moment over the weekend, Alex. Watch this.

I was just telling somebody recently who didn't know. We performed Free To Be You and Me. When I sang about my friend William, who's five years old and wanted a doll to hug and hold, I could sing the whole thing. I think you should sing some now. Now look, Alex, she's not in the White House. So if she wants to get on the wine to get through it, that's absolutely fine. But I guess I just think, thank God she's not in the White House in that state.

Well, the thing is, people saw her for what she is and didn't vote her in, whether she's using substances to get that cray-cray or whether she is just that cray-cray all by herself. People saw the cray-cray and said, you can't be president. Dumb. Do you know what I mean? So that is to me what it comes down to. Judge a man by his delivery. Judge a man by his policies. Judge a man by his convictions and his ideologies or a woman. And, you know, she's just mad. She's always been mad. Whether or not she's using sort of substances to fuel that mania.

I mean, I just, oh, i saw you put on your powder i want to kill jesse right now so it wasn't sort of powder we're discussing it was the non-shine version yes i was feeling a little bit shiny but anyway okay but look i mean i really don't like if we start having a sort of maniac intrusion into people's private lives when they want to stand for office or be leaders and i'm not saying that we shouldn't hold people accountable and they shouldn't be law-abiding um representatives of you know of countries but you can end up in a dark place where you just have plastic boring awful people who don't actually make good leaders and i'm not in any way condoning if they were taking acosbergs on this train and i just want to reiterate i do not do that at all at all i have no interest in it um but you, it's I just find this to be an entertaining, entertaining peccadillo in the world of social media.

But those guys are going to just live and die by the sword anyway. They're going to live and die by whether the electorate trusts them to deliver and whether they have delivered. Alex Phillips, very good point. Am I looking all right? You look gorgeous. It's very good point. Am I looking all right? You look gorgeous. You do matter like that. It's very hot today. Can I just explain my own little powder mishap in the segment, talking about another type of powder you couldn't make it up, could you, Alex Phillips?

Now, there's been another drug drama over the weekend with GB News making an astonishing on-air claim about Prince Harry and a Colombian substance. Anyway, it all exploded on air. I'm going to show you what happened and we'll get analysis with Alex Phillips, plus look into what has been another nightmare weekend for the Sussexes in just one minute. So don't go anywhere. But first, you know how often I talk about the need for free speech to be protected. Well, I've been increasingly thinking of the need for personal protection from snoopers, bad actors and hackers online. And I'm delighted to tell you I have now found the failsafe solution. But what's more, this VPN or virtual private network to use the full term is also a life change when it comes to providing you entertainment and information from anywhere in the world wherever you are. Let me introduce you to Surfshark, an incredible and easy to use service

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Well, I guess it depends, doesn't it? I mean, I've had those fears for a very long time for Prince Harry because he's lost everything as a result of a relationship with his wife, Meghan Markle. However, what this picture does and what this one frame does is blow up his entire argument that he is scared to death every time he's in London and that he believes the royal family are trying to kill him. Because if that is the case, you certainly don't wander up and down a road, going to random houses, on your phone. And look, it does look weird. Who was he trying to track down? Why could someone else not do it for him?

And it's that scenario which caused an explosive on-air row at GB News between Peter Blexley, the renowned former Met detective, who felt that maybe he was looking for something sourced from Columbia, and the show's presenter, Ben Leo. So we'll get analysis from Alex Phillips in just one moment. But first, look at what went down. Would you make this picture on screen, Peter Blexley, former Met Police detective? I mean, what would you say to Harry if you were his security advisor? Well, I have supplied security to higher net worth individuals in the private sector. So I've protected people similar to him.

And for him to be able to go walkabout down a London street without a security detail will have been his decision and his alone. And only he can make that decision if he is paying the security company. So I should strongly suspect that's what he's done. Now, when I read his book Spare, I was absolutely astonished at the amount of drug taking he admitted to. And in my experience, when somebody stands down their security team, it's because they're going off to do something

they don't want their security to know about. I mean, I don't think we can say he was going to his mates to have a session. I hadn't quite finished, but, you know, maybe he was going round his mates for a pizza and a bit of something that he might have, you know, sourced from Colombia. Maybe he wasn't. Oh, no. Maybe he wasn't.

But normally people stand down their security team because they're going to do things they don't want their team to know about. Obviously, Prince Harry is not here to defend himself on that. I have to say, Peter, it's completely baseless. I said maybe. I said maybe. I didn't say was. I said maybe.

Who knows? We don't know. In his book, he talks about magic mushrooms, smoking weed and cocaine as well, of course alex phillips what do you make of it who's right there peter bleckley or ben leo peter bleckley is absolutely right i know people who have security details and it's right the security detail follows you everywhere that is their job day and night night and day they'll drive you know come to a front door with you make sure there's eyes on be outside in

an address and unless you tell them don't come they're going to be there because that is their job and if they get it wrong and if they're remiss and if they're negligent they lose their job and worse so it does sort of smack in the face of hypocrisy that Prince Harry says I'm so you know worried and I'm so all by myself and I'm scared to be in London when he's just dilly-dallying up a road ringing on rando doorbells um you know, he probably is looking for some sort of mate in some sort of flat somewhere. But also the other thing is this, when you are a high security individual, you normally have a team going out ahead of you to check the address, to make sure that they've done a sweep, that it's all going to be fine, that they know the access points,

that they know if you can leave and where you would go to if you needed to be taken away quickly away from danger. And so for someone who is so concerned about his personal security, to be randomly trying to find an address is very strange because normally you would be giving your security detail at least 24 hours notice, saying this is the address, go and do a reconnaissance beforehand. Peter Blex is absolutely right on this. I know people with security details who have to follow this protocol every single day of the week. And so it does smack in the face of I need security and I'm really scared, but only when I want it. Yeah, I mean, I found the whole thing completely bizarre. And look, he does look wired. He looks wired. And it's very odd what's, Tom, very well-connected guy, royal author behind the book Revenge.

This is how he read what was going on with the doorbell footage. Very well that he wasn't going to get it. I think it was all about trying to embarrass the king. It was about destroying the monarchy. It was about all the time, me, me, me, and Meghan, and very much it was Harry wanting to say that he is somebody who can make huge problems for his family. And I'm not totally surprised by this. I'd heard he's pretty desperate. He was looking for company. I think that really is the issue. Harry feels

completely isolated from Britain. And what's remarkable about that particular son exclusive is that he didn't have one of his bodyguards with who he pays a lot of money to, to go and find his friend. It just shows really that Harry's pretty incompetent about everything else. I mean, Alex Phillips, exactly the point that you're making. But I think what's quite interesting there is when Tom Bower is using the word sad, it's like pathetic. Do you know what I mean? It's so pathetic what this guy's life has become rather than, oh, we should feel sorry for him. Yeah, and it's true, to be honest.

I actually do feel sorry for him, if I'm honest with you. Do you? I don't think anyone chooses to be born into royalty, which is a very strange existence, or have their mother killed at a very young age. These things have a huge impact on somebody's psychological well-being, without a doubt. But he has chosen to exit the sort of, you know, the entity that

gave him protection and put all of his faith in one woman who wants to extrapolate from him kudos and publicity. And I think the royal family have tried desperately to try and bring him back into the fold. He's obstinate and he thinks that he knows best and he knows what he's doing and constantly we're seeing exposed again and again he doesn't but he is a lost soul and look you and I both know as as Brits and honorary Brit in your case Dan that um if at any point Prince Harry said I've made a big mistake I just want to come home I just want you know I want to put things right we would would welcome him with open arms. I'm sure we would. Of that I'm certain. But that woman, that's a different matter because she knows what she's dealing with.

She's chosen him. She's groomed him because she knows that she's able to control him for her own purposes. So I have far less sympathy with her. Yeah, it's an interesting one, alex i just don't know anymore i look i think there would have to be such a capitulation such an apology but remember so much of the damage that was done to the late queen to prince philip and his dying days to king charles while he's suffering from cancer and prince william while his wife was suffering from cancer and Prince William while his wife was suffering from cancer. So much of that was personally driven by Harry because it was Harry who authored Spare, his words. Now, yes, he may have been seriously influenced by Meghan, but he's

the one who put his name to that. But what is interesting, Alex, is Tom Bower, who is, by the way, writing a sequel to his first revelatory book about Meghan Markle revenge. There is a new edition of the tome coming out, says that he believes Prince Harry has realised he made a terrible mistake. Interesting. The point about Harry is he doesn't know what to do anymore. He's losing all sorts of relations in Britain. He hasn't got a purpose. He's embarrassed with his charities in Africa because not only the Sentebale charity, but also Africa Parks is now causing him great problems. Invictus is really only once every two years.

He's losing any reason for being the prince and i think he is now realizing slowly but surely he made a terrible mistake by leaving and this is what it's all about now uh make me an offer so i don't cause you too much embarrassment in the future so that's interesting isn't it a this idea that actually Harry knows that he made a mistake I think it's probably true and it's what I was intimating at before I think it's probably true um and so I hope that if he does sort of come crawling that we'll be gracious and we'll welcome him back as a prodigal son um but know, I think ultimately he has caused damage to the brand of the royal family and caused hurt and anguish on behalf of our beloved royal family. But frankly,

he's caused more damage to himself. And you have to ask whether it's worth fighting the world to protect his relationship with one woman when it comes to her, she doesn't even include him. He's not even there when she's making jam. He's not even there when she's making a podcast. He's sort of shuffled to one side. He's used as a prop. Is it really worth losing everything for somebody who doesn't even want to involve you in their projects? I mean, you know. Very good point. She's all about setting herself up for a post harry life including by the way the fact that vanity fair reported something i've been saying for years which is that she's already shopping the post-divorce book to publishers i mean come on at that point surely you've got to wake up and think this is my warning to get out but alex

oh sorry you go. I just want to tell you something, Dan. Please. Just quick stuff, OK, and everyone watching and listening. I don't know if this stands up, but it's what I heard from a very, a source in which I'd be very confident, who had suggested that the inclusion of all of the drug taking in spare might have been at her insistence, because when something like that is documented when it then comes to later divorce proceedings and who gets custody of children and so on and so forth

it is a useful slice of evidence to have at your disposal now I don't know if at all but it's been suggested to me by somebody well placed whose opinion I would trust on these matters. Fascinating. I mean, I would not doubt it, actually, because this is a very crafty woman who is trying to put all of the puzzle pieces together so that if the marriage does end, or maybe it's not a matter of if, Alex, maybe it's a matter of when, when the marriage does end, she is in the pole position to make him look bad and also for her to make the money. So that's really fascinating intelligence. Alex, similar to what we were talking about earlier about whether Harry has always been a bad guy or not, whether we should

feel sorry for him. But like our discussion, there was a really interesting discussion I wanted you to watch on The Sun's exclusive show between Arthur Edwards, who is the long-time veteran royal photographer who really loved Harry before he was with Meghan and thinks it's all to do with Meghan, and Robert Jobson, highly respected royal correspondent, who's making the point to Arthur, well, actually, Harry's always been a little bit difficult. Watch this. With Harry, we never got that feeling that he hated the press then.

He was very cooperative with the press. Yeah, he was quite chippy. And we used to go to the pub with him and have a drink with him. And he was different then. Since he married Meghan, he changed. He was always quite chippy. We used to go to the pub with him and have a drink with him and he would say... But he was always... And he was different then. Since he married Meghan, he changed. And suddenly he became...

I actually think he's... I think he was fine till then. When he was working for the royal family, he was fantastic. I think he always had an edge, but I do think that... I never found it. Well, he did certain things, didn't he? I mean, there was things I remember he did with you that you didn't particularly like.

He was quite disrespectful at times, I think. See, Alex, my experience of Harry was that he was always quite a nasty guy, but he was very well protected by the royal machinery. And the irony is that he's now

turned on them because of megan you know and slammed them all as the men in gray suits and actually said they're even trying to kill him which is nuts whereas actually for years and years and years alex these people protected harry and made him at one point to remember more popular than queen elizabeth the second herself so the irony is and i think that's where harry's despair must come from. He's like, oh, God, actually, they were doing a really good job for me when I was in the royal family. Yeah, I mean, it is very interesting. I don't know anything about the man. I don't know him personally.

I don't know the mechanics of how, you know, the royal press pack work. But we did always have a sort of two-dimensional view of him, which is there he is a soldier, there he is beaming and smiling, there he is setting up a charity, there he is kicking a football. And it was very well managed. And ever since he's gone solo, it seems like the mask has slipped and he's human, all too human. I think he probably does have some regrets.

Look, we're all fallible creatures we all have our moments where we're not exactly behaving in a princely or priestly manner um but what is really being shown is his vulnerability you know because perhaps he's been brought up in this straight jacketed closeted controlled environment that now he's striking out on his own and is depending yet again because that's all he knows to depend on other people to tell him when to cough, sneeze, jump. He's depending on a woman who, like I said before, sees a great amount of value in him when it comes to filling up her bank balance. Alex, what's really interesting, though, is that even America, right, and liberal America, left wing America, who were preparing to make Harry and Meghan their poster children are turning. And for the first time at the weekend, wasn't a long clip, right, but a really cutting moment from Saturday Night Live.

Big show in America, but absolutely a left wing show, absolutely a pro-Democrat, anti-Trump comedy show. And when they made a joke about the US-UK trade deal that had been signed, it was Harry and Meghan who were the butt of that joke. Watch this. President Trump also announced a new trade deal with the UK that will reopen British markets for American companies. All that Britain demands in return is that we keep these two. I mean, actually a very funny joke, Alex, but quite significant, right? I mean, yes, South Park had already turned on Harry and Meghan, but now Saturday Night Live have too. So I guess I would argue they're losing their base.

Yeah. What did I say earlier? About 80% of communication is done via body language. We know when we're being gamed. And people like people who are just authentic you know even if they behave badly if they lose their temper if they you know are far less saintly than perhaps we expect them to be we still find if they're an authentic person and they're not trying to pull the wool over our eyes they're very sort of human responses to forgive um and yet the problem is Megan's whole push to try and be authentic look into my real real world, look as I'm cooking, look at these pictures of my kids. We can see it for curated nonsense. We know that this is essentially a woman trying to manipulate the entire world as to who she is and who her husband is. And it's that sort of, you know, it's that sort of deception and gaslighting that humans just know, they feel it in their bones,

they know when they're being played, and they're very unforgiving about it. Alex, Meghan is clever though, right, in terms of her PR strategy. So obviously the doorbell picture has come out of Prince Harry and it's bad and a whole load of questions are being asked. So I'm interested to know whether you think this is a good strategy because, of course, you used to be Nigel Farage's media woman and having to make these types of decisions all the time at UKIP. So she made a decision. I describe it as the flood

the zone strategy. So she knew that he was getting all these really bad headlines. And so she decides, okay, all weekend, I'm going to flood the zone to try and distract, to try and divert attention. So what she did is posted just a whole load of images, firstly on the Saturday night from this Beyonce concert. Then the next day, she posted her own Mother's Day tribute to herself. And in some ways, maybe it was quite successful in terms of flooding the zone. But there is this really funny video, right, of Meghan and Harry together, which was slowed down online. And people are saying that actually, when you look at it up close, Meghan actually looks utterly repulsed by Prince Harry. And then obviously the hat, everyone's talking about the hat. So was it a clever strategy?

Do you think by flooding the zone with this new content, people moved on from the bad PR of the doorbell picture on the Friday? No, because again, every time she brings out this sort of content, I mean, look at that pose with him, the hand up again.

No, I mean, what if someone takes a photo of me and my boyfriend? I don't do that. That's weird. No one looks like that as a couple after however many years. You know, you said that when I was head of media for Nigel Farage, I was having to make these kinds of decisions. I wasn't because he's just an authentic person. When you see him pictured with a pint, it's because he wants to go for a bloody pint.

He wants to have a beer. It's that simple. He said, I'm not doing interviews now. I need to go to the pub for a livener you know he is what he is and we have an uncanny knack as human beings to see through bs don't we and every time megan does flood the zone with a plastic staged curated garbage we just like her even less yeah very true actually very very true you'd you'd have a tough job alex as as the woman trying to even you even you would struggle to turn around megan markel's reputation but just finally alex someone now has that terrible job and i actually feel deeply sorry for this person. She's just been hired. She's called Sarah Fosmo.

And previously, she was the ex-assistant to Bill Gates. And she has now been hired as Meghan Markle's chief of staff. The goal is to be her most senior advisor as she prepares to relaunch her career. Now, Alex, you might remember the Duke of Sussex, Prince Harry's last high-flying pick for his chief of staff, Josh Kettler, literally lasted three months and he was out. So what advice would you give this godforsaken woman, Sarah Fosmo, who has the worst job in the world trying to relaunch megan's pr reputation yeah take the money make sure you've got a good severance package because in about six weeks time it ain't gonna give any just you know

jobs a job if you want to do it take the cash money and do your best but this is a you know she's she's giving advice to a woman who chronically does not like taking advice because she knows better than everybody else. But as long as, you know, if this woman's taking it, knowing that it's going to be a high profile job, knowing that it's got a, you know, a great pay regime, then great, be it up to her to do it. I wish her all the best. But I think the idea that you can try and get an authentic Megan out that can sell herself on a personal level to the masses is for the birds Megan doesn't even have an authentic self um and so you're right it's you know the sort of um curation and p I mean it's like it's really hard to try and turn a horse into a cow isn't it or vice versa and Megan's just not a you know she's not a relatable human so

it's very difficult to know how you're going to dress that up. But like I said, make sure you've got a good pay package, some decent medical insurance, you know, an affable amount of annual leave and a very hearty severance package. Yes, very, very good point, Alex Phillips. I've really enjoyed today. Thank you so much. And of course, do make sure that you follow Alexlex phillips on substack subscribe to that's what she said thank you alex we will speak very soon and lots of comments from you coming in uh on this whole idea of starmer being completely unrealistic when it comes to mass deportations fleet rights thank god we have kemi if only her party were in government for 14 years in order to put a stop

oh wait indeed indeed and i did point out didn't i that it's just a joke thinking that kemi bade or not can have any say on this uh simon wrote i thought those who didn't want immigrants from arriving were classed as far right what does this make stasi referring to summer and it's interesting isn't it it's like this is why I think Rupert Lowe's right when he says, the online right, that's how we're dismissed, by the way, we have made this change. We have changed the language by being bold and brave

and tapping in to the reality about what the public really wants when it comes to mass deportations. In terms of death penalty and Axel Rudikabana, Dominius Diabolus writes there is no rehabilitation for that level of evil. Daz makes the point, though, that the Labour government would use the death penalty on a Facebook post. And that is, I mean, look, I know you're making a joke, Daz, but in reality, though, I guess the underlying meaning of that, though, is you have to be careful

when you give governments the power to kill you've got to be careful and unite britain wrote starmer should be held responsible for all deaths caused by the people he allows to stay in this country okay greatest britain union jackass time now your nominees the kent police nominated by mick cass and this was because of a shocking, shocking story at the weekend. And I just want to, just in case you missed it, I'm just going to briefly tell you about this story because it really, really did shock folk. So this was the front page of the Daily Telegraph, the Sunday Telegraph, sorry. And it was a man called Julian Folks from Gillianham in Kent. He was handcuffed at his home by six officers, the force he had in the force from Kent police,

the force he had served for a decade after challenging a supporter of pro Palestinian marches on X. Now police body worn camera footage captured officers scrutinizing the 71-year-old's collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described

as very Brexity things. They were also shown raising concerns about a shopping list containing bleach, tinfoil and gloves drawn up by his wife, a hairdresser. And he told the Sunday Telegraph free speech is clearly under attack. Nobody is really safe. The public needs to see what's happening and be shocked. And I am shocked, by the way, that incident took place in November 2023. They issued a caution, but have since admitted that that was a mistake.

So that's the reason the Kent police are nominated. Emmanuel Macron, nominated by Big Mama Booth for this whole issue of what was really going on on the train, which we discussed earlier. And Owen Jones, nominated by the Grift Report for demanding Israel are kicked out of Eurovision. And the results are in. In third place with 19% of the vote, it's Owen Jones. The runner-up is Emmanuel Macron, the French president, for his suspicious train behaviour. But an overwhelming win for the Kent police with 57% of your vote for Thought Policing. And today's Greatest Britain, the Durham Nurses, nominated by Big Mama Booth for standing up to the NHS in all its DEI glory and spitefulness. Good on them. Okay, don't go anywhere because in the uncancelled after show today, we are teaming

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