Dan Wootton Outspoken - FURY AS SHABANA MAHMOOD SAYS ENGLISH ETHNICITY DOESN'T EXISTS AS BEN HABIB SLAMS RUPERT LOWE

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: The Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood erases English ethnicity, saying it no longer means being white in a shocking intervention on Sly News. Major figures on the right like Carl Benjamin have said there is now “an active attempt to deny the existence of the English to permit the colonisation of England by foreign people”. But there is also a major split between Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain and Ben Habib’s Advance UK on the issue. Ben Habib will be here later in the show to make his case. Also today, the left has proven they actively encourage the Islamist takeover. First they dismissed the illegal family voting witnessed by democracy volunteers in Gorton and Denton and then the Greens whack job leader Zack Polanski broke down in hysterics when Susan Hall expressed her horror at the vandalisation of the Winston Churchill statue in Westminster, just as his candidate Hannah Spencer won thanks to Muslim support. At least Nigel Farage is on his way to Mar-a-Lago to really put the boot into Slippery Starmer. Connor Tomlinson – host of Tomlinson Talks on YouTube and Substack – joins Dan for analysis straight after his Digest. PLUS: Rupert Lowe hits out at the Daily Telegraph as Restore Britain surges in the polls and membership stakes but continues to be banned by the mainstream media. AND: So-called comedian Rosie Jones engages in a sick non-joke encouraging the death of David Attenborough, yet still our elites pretend she’s some sort of national treasure. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince William and Catherine put their foot down over the embattled Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. We’ll have all the royal latest with YouTube sensation P-Dina. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken #uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 441. And breaking right now, the Home Secretary Shabana MacMood, erases English ethnicity, saying it no longer means being white in a shocking intervention on sly news. Do you personally, without reservation or hesitation, call yourself English? Yes, that's why I put that in the speech, because it's never occurred to me that I'm not. I very much identify with being somebody who's a Brummy. I think Birmingham is one of the best of the English cities, and I consider myself English as well as British as well. Henry speaking, English usually means white.

From your point of view, you've gone past that. So I think definitely when I was younger, everybody would have said if you're saying someone is English, what you really mean is they're white. I think that is a little bit less true today, as more of us are settled in England, as you've seen the rise of Scottish civic identity and Welsh civic identity. Major figures on the right like Carl Benjamin have said there is now an active attempt

to deny the existence of the English to permit the colonisation of England by foreign people. But there is also a major split on the right between Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain and Ben Habib's Advance UK after the leak of this voice note. Hi John, just ignore it. Restore Britain have gone full-tick rate. Tilt, racist, and we'll continue. Well, Ben Habib will be here later in the show to make his controversial case. Also, today the left has proven

they actively encouraged the Islamist takeover. First, they dismissed the illegal family voting witnessed by democracy volunteers in Gorton and Denton, and then the Greens' whack job leader Tip Whisper, Isaac Polanski, broke down into hysterical laughter when Susan Hall expressed her horror at the vandalization of the Winston Churchill statue

in Westminster. Reform UK, you know, they are still winging about the result. And that's what it comes across as, Nigel. It comes across as winging. And outside of reform's bubble, to most people, it actually looks like

you are sore losers. And that really explains why the reform candidate, Matt Goodwin, has been trending on Twitter as Matt Bad Loss. To actually say, we're overacting, overacting hysteria over the fact that people are going around with paint, they're vandalising our monuments,

they're behaving as criminals and as vandals, and some people here think that that's okay. And yet again, the government has decided that it is young, white teenage boys who are really the issue, releasing this ad after watching far too much of the Netflix drama adolescents. by the police. My mum couldn't believe it. I might get a criminal record and not be able to go to college. I only shared a link.

I just thought it was funny. But it was terrorist content. And that is not a game. It's real life. Oh yeah, just forget about the Iranian Islamist literally plotting to commit terror on our shores as we speak. Well, at least Nigel Farage is on his way to Mar-a-Lago to really put the boot into slippery stump.

President Trump has almost understood the deal. Almost, but I will be dining at Mar-a-Lago tomorrow night. And we'll reinforce the message. Connor Tomlinson, host of Tomlinson talks on YouTube and Substack will be here straight after the digest. Also coming up on today's show, Rupert Lowe hits out at The Daily Telegraphers, restore Britain's surges in the polls and membership stakes, but continues to be banned by the mainstream media. And so-called comedian Rosie Jones engages in a sick non-joke encouraging the death of David Attenborough, it's still our elites, our elites pretend she's some sort of national treasure.

Then in the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow on Substack, Prince William and Catherine put their foot down over the embattled Princess Bertriss and Eugenie, They've been dragged into the Chinese spy scandal in the past few hours. So we will have all of the latest Royal News with YouTube Sensation P-Dyny. You can sign up to watch at www. At the end of today's show, we will also be revealing the worst Britain in the world this week. You can vote right now in the posts tab on YouTube. It's when we put our Union Jackass's head to head on Monday. It was Rachel from Accounts.

Tuesday, Hannah Spencer. Wednesday, the Tit Whisperer, Zach, Lansky, Thursday, Nina Mishkoff, and get voting right now. We've already had tens of thousands of them come through. A little reminder too. Next week, there is no Greatest Britain Union Jackass, but that is for very good reason. We have a special week of the clash. It was one of my favourite features on my LGBT news show, so we are bringing it back to debate Islam, immigration, reform, and even abdication. Here's a sneak peek. I'm going to say to you immediately, Narenda, that that is hugely racist.

Stop talking Kate. Listen. I think. Oh, she's obviously gone. One of the favourite features of my former GV News show was The Clash. So we are bringing it back for a week of special debates. I've seen quite a lot of encouraging of violence from you, Ahmed. You need to get your facts right. I am a lawyer. That video was simply nothing to do with the Maccabee Tel Aviv game. You're being disingenuous there.

You. Islam gives women rights. What rights? Now, a woman in a nukab and a burqa is better than women going around naked on the other street. Briannon, who was working at one of the asylum seeker hotels, a great woman who did everything right. Look, what you say here you go. She was stabbed to death 23 times by an illegal migrant with a screwdriver. Are you deporting me based? Your hostility towards the UK is absolutely disgusting. disgusting is absolute disrespectful.

I've got to end this because I've got a policy of not debating fascists. She was wrong to call Charlie Downs of Restore Britain a neo-Nazi. To call someone a neo-Nazi, they'd have to do something really bad. Why can't you just say she was wrong? Because you're scared because you know that Reform UK operate like a cult. And if you say the wrong thing, you might be reported to the police next, just like Rupert Lowe was. It's not a cult, but we are... The king has nothing to abdicate for, nothing to apologise for.

He took his brother's words on fern. This isn't a game. You can get rid of Stama. Have your fun there. Leave our king alone. That's a bit dramatic. You're trying to punish a man who is literally... Rath will be horrified that I'm going to say this,

but he is dying of terminal cancer, and you're trying to punish him. And I can also reveal that next week, Connor Tomlinson and Catherine Burbill Singh, Britain's strictest head teacher, go head to head in the conversation that the spectator previously banned. So a very special week of shows here on Outspoken next week.

But for now, keep your comments coming in throughout the show. Let's go. Okay, so the English. And by the way, this is specifically about the English because no one suggests that the Welsh or the Scottish or the Irish are not an ethnic group. So the English are now being erased. That is not hyperbole or conspiracy.

It basically seems to be official. government policy. And while I appreciate there is a lot of unhelpful debate on the right about so-called ethno-nationalist policies, we cannot just look away and pretend that it is okay to simply say that being English is now just a social construct. No one would think it was acceptable if we were talking about the Nigerians or the Somalians or the Mexicans or the Japanese. So it's also not acceptable for the English. But the MSM won't report on this. And actually, If they do, they will just cry racist. Whereas what Shabana Mahmood, the Muslim Home Secretary who has said her Islamist religion

drives everything she does in life, said last night on sly news to Trevor Phillips is a genuine horror story. She said anyone can be English. English people are not white. Indeed, English, being English, is not a race identity at all. Q rage, Nick Dixon said openly gloating about colonisation and the displacement of the English to the point of claiming we don't even exist. It's genocidal rhetoric, but no one cares because the regime wants us wiped out. Now, I want you to watch this full exchange and decide for yourself.

What you've set out today, you say, is a Labour immigration policy. And it means in your mind that people like your parents who play by the rules can find, a home in this country, and that their children can, and this is an interesting word, their children can unthinkingly call themselves English. Do you personally, without reservation or hesitation, call yourself English? Yes, that's why I put that in the speech, because it's never occurred to me that I'm not. I very much identify with being somebody who's a Brummy. I think Birmingham is one of the best of the English cities, and I consider myself English as well as British as well. I know that sometimes people use English to mean slightly different things, but for me, my identity being someone who's born and lived in England all my life, that's who I am.

So, I mean, in minority homes, generally speaking, English usually means white. From your point of view, you've gone past that. I think, so I think definitely when I was younger, everybody would have said if you're saying someone is English, what you really mean is they're white. I think that is a little bit less true today, as more of us are settled in England, as you've seen the rise of sort of Scottish. civic identity and Welsh civic identity. If England were playing Scotland in a football match, I know who I'm supporting. I wouldn't even think twice about supporting anyone other than England. And if they're playing Pakistan at cricket? Exactly the same, England all the way.

So because of that, I think over the last few years, you've seen more of a sense of confidence amongst minority communities to consider themselves English, but also I think English is not a race identity so much as it is a civic and national identity. And that is definitely the perspective I have of it. seen that Lambda wrote on X, I've been thinking about this more. Shibana MacMood, denying the English people exist, is really a precursor to ethnocide. The highly influential right-wing figure Carl Benjamin of Lotus Eaters pondered that, saying genuinely hard to see it any other way. There appears to be an active attempt to deny the existence of the English to permit the colonisation of

England by foreign people such as MacMood so they feel no guilt about what they're doing to us. Now, it's very clear to me that Mahmoud has attempted to anglicise herself for purely political reasons. Because remember, this is a woman who used to wear the Muslim headdress all the time. And I want to show you her response when she was softly challenged by Trevor Phillips about why she no longer does. Look at this. Ask you a personal question. You do not cover your hair. When you came in here, you shook my hand.

there will be people in your own constituency who regard this as conduct unbecoming in a woman. What do you say to those people? Well, look, I think they're wrong. I mean, you know, Islam as a religion, much like politics is very contested in terms of what the requirements of faith are and how the faith should be practiced.

I've always respected women who cover their head, who wear a headscarf. I think that that's a personal choice for women to make. When I was younger, I went through phases of wearing a headscarf and then not wearing one, and then wearing one again as an adult. I've not worn one. I've made that choice for myself. So I respect freedom of choice, but also freedom of conscience,

because lots of... When you say you've made that choice, by the, may I ask you, it's not just a fashion statement, is it? No. What does it mean? I think for women that cover their hair, it's part of... It's an act of faith.

It's an act of fidelity to the rules of modest dressing in faith. And the decision not to wear? And I happen to believe you can show fidelity to the teachings of modesty in dress without having to cover. your hair as well. So there is a difference. The theology here is contested. I may well be in a minority view, but I've always respected people's individual freedoms of conscience. You know, different Muslims will have different ways of practicing. Some are very orthodox, maybe,

or you could use the words ultra-orthodox to describe, you know, behavior where a woman wouldn't shake hands with a man. I've respected the freedom that people have to make that choice for themselves. But that is not a, that is not something I think is required in order to be. So you never sign up to a ban the burqa movement. I don't think it's the state's job in this country to be telling women what to wear, either to uncover or cover up. Women can decide for themselves how they wear,

what they wear and how they conduct themselves. Now, a reminder that Tikia exists and that this is what Mahmoud said before she was in power. Islam, my own religion. Like a lot of practicing Muslims, my faith is the most important thing in my life. It is the absolute driver of everything that I do.

I feel a very strong calling of my own conscience and my conscience calls me to God. Indeed, MacMood has been called out on her U-turn. I wait for it, the hard left Islamist Zach Polanski, the Ted whisperer, the leader of the Green Party. So in an open letter, he wrote, Dear Shemana, I noticed today that you referred to me in your speech. on immigration. You said a party leader should not be on the beaches of France encouraging people to make

a perilous crossing on small boats. It reminded me of a young MP who in October 2015 spent three days in Lesbos, helping migrants fleeing war-torn Syria. She posted videos on X, talked about handing out water and croissons to refugees and food parcels. When she returned to the UK, she wrote a very moving piece in the new statesman. She said, we have to work with our European partners and create new, safe and legal routes for refugees to get to Europe. We cannot abandon them to their fate. Lefters pray for smugglers whilst risking death on the seas. She said maybe we can make ourselves feel better by saying no one is making them get on the boats. And again, the home secretary is not entirely wrong. When she says, we have to be mindful of push and pull factors, but she does again entirely miss the

point. Because the push factor is either death or the slow torture of a temporary life in a camp, which amounts to no kind of life at all. If that is what they face, then they are going to run. We cannot kid ourselves that they have choices we have to act. Polanski added, this was of course you. And it was. There is video evidence of Shabana Mahmood welcoming in the boats. Look at this. We're still here at Skivenia where another boat of refugees has arrived.

Layouts and there's a code station where they can get some dry clothes. and then there's antennas, and honestly, I take my hat off to them. Some of these people don't have very much. But my point is very different to Polanskis. Sure, Mahmoud has softened her rhetoric, but what she's undertaking is incredibly dangerous. She quoted George Orwell yesterday too. We are and have always been internationalist in outlook,

alongside a quiet but profound patriotism. as I have said before it is a patriotism that best defined by George Orwell a love of this country for what it is always has been and always will be but also for its capacity

to change as Orwell wrote in the line of the unicorn what can the England of 1940 have in common with the England of 1840 but what have you in common with a child of five whose photograph your mother keeps on the manton

peace. Nothing except that you happen to be the same person. Ours is a patriotism that unites timeless tradition with an acceptance, a welcoming of change. But Conor Thomlinson, who will be here shortly counted all well, would not have recognized Shabana Mahmood as English, because to recognize an old photograph of yourself, you have to be the same person, and to recognize your country a century apart. It must be populated by the same people. MacMood is not. English because she is not an English person. The country is becoming minority English. And soon, thanks to Mahmoud, it will become unrecognizable. And breaking today, can you believe that in the midst of this madness, we are to get, thanks to MacMood, thanks to the Labour government, a new anti-Muslim

hostilities are. These plans will be outlined by the government on Monday. And it will also include this dreaded new definition of Islamophobia. Tim Shipman, the political editor of The Spectator, reporting that the Spectator has been leaked a draft copy of protecting what matters, a document outlining Labor's new cohesion strategy, which is to be unveiled in a cross-government push next week. The plans will raise alarm bells on free speech by outlining new rules to tackle divisive content and ensure trusted new. news sources are prominent. Critics fear these measures will be used to silence critics of Islamists or even TV channels like TV News, which some Labour people view as two right wing. The creation of a special representative on anti-Muslim hostility is likely to give a prominent platform to an

activist voice. Their job will be to champion efforts across the UK to tackle hostility and hatred directed at Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim. Alongside, that is a new definition of anti-Muslim hatred, which has been watered down to avoid defining Muslims as a race, but which will still condemn the prejudicial stereotyping of Muslims as part of a collective group with set characteristics to stir up hatred against them, irrespective of their actual opinions, beliefs, or actions as individuals. Critics think this will create a blasphemy law by the back door. And it absolutely does. And mark my words, what this is about is trying to shut down conversations like the one we are going to have.

on this show today. That is what they want to do. It's chilling. And remember, MacMood's Labor government is also pushing this fallacy created by the Netflix drama adolescents that it is young white teenage boys rather than Islamists who pose the threat to UK safety, even though the government's own figures show that couldn't be further from the truth. As Basil the Great put at the UK government, now making ads, which feature terrified children being arrested for sharing memes online designated as terrorist content. This is a police state. Take this in for a moment.

The Home Secretary of the United Kingdom is on live national television saying English people don't exist. We are being erased. And that led Elon Musk to comment directly on that post today, simply replying true. Tommy Robinson raged. UK counterterrorism police just dropped their latest ad for countering terrorism and this is the image they portrayed as the potential terrorist

anything not to offend the faces of modern Britain and Bennett expense added a very good point given the war in the Middle East saying in the aftermath of the attack in Iran it is entirely plausible that terrorist sleeper cells and lone wolves will attack the UK meanwhile the UK's authorities are still

pretending the biggest threat to the country a 12 year old white boys and again I promise you none of this is an exaggeration Just watch the ad for yourself. I just got on my device taken away by the police. My mum couldn't believe it. I might get a criminal record

and not be able to go to college. I only share the link. I just thought it was funny. But it was terrorist content. And that is not a game. It's real life. We are a laughing stock for this shit internationally. With MAGA Media Sensation,

and Benny Johnson posting that video and announcing England is now trying to terrify kids that they will be arrested and have their lives ruined for sharing the wrong meme. Britain has fallen. Indeed, the left have proven this week that they actively encourage this Islamist takeover. First, they dismissed the illegal family voting, which was witnessed by democracy volunteers in Gorton and Denton. They just dismissed it. Well, good evening, Nigel. Good evening to your viewers.

I mean, we're now one week on from the Gotten and Denton by-election landslide, and Reform UK, you know, are still whinging about the result. And that's what it comes across as, Nigel. It comes across as whinging. And outside of Reform's bubble, to most people, it actually looks like you are sore losers. And that really explains why the reform candidate, Matt Goodwin, has been trending on Twitter as Matt Bad Loss.

And, you know, it wasn't even close, Nigel. It was 4,000 votes. I think it's time to accept the result and move on. Okay? You lost the by-election. You know, you've been in the ascendant seat for many, many months. You've been ahead in the polls for many, many months. Forget what I say.

Forget what I say. Forget what I say. With democracy volunteers are predominantly liberal Democrats. They've put out a very concerning report about openly illegal behaviour in 68% of polling stations. Should that not be looked at, do we not need reforms to restore trust in voting? Then the Greens whack job leader, the tit whisperer, Zach Polanski, literally broke down into hysterical fits of laughter when Susan Hall of the Conservative Party expressed her horror and the vandalisation of the Winston Churchill statue in Westminster,

which came just as his candidate, Hannah Spencer, won the by-election after Islamist support. I am shocked. I am truly shocked. I don't know what's happened to the Green Party. I don't know what has happened to people that love the environment and talk about the environment. To actually say we are over-acting,

overacting hysteria over the fact that people are going around with paint, they're vandalising our monuments, they're behaving as criminals and as vandals, and some people here think that

that's okay. Well, most people think it is not okay. It is criminal, it is not okay. And to actually spray paint, Winston and Churchill is absolutely, I'm looking at you and you obviously don't see that there's an issue here. And that, you don't.

And I tell you what, that is the most frightening thing. The fact that you think that it is acceptable for people to go around damaging our statues, knowing that it's criminal, and refer to it as overreaching hysteria. I just do not understand where you're coming from. But I tell you what, I think it's very dangerous. I think if you're actually spreading that to do something like this is acceptable, we will have absolute chaos on our streets. We will have things damaged in our beautiful city and you're laughing.

I'm glad, Zach, that you find this amusing. Because actually, most of the public will not find this amusing. And London is particularly screwed up, as proven by this exchange between a radical left student, and Reform UK's London mayoral candidate Leila Cunningham. Give me a chair if you are. It's more dangerous. Us or intolerance?

It's not about intolerance. It's about fairness. Do you believe that someone who invites on a vote ineval, should get full access to the country? Yes. Well, at least Donald Trump has now completely woken up to the fact Slippery Stama, our corrupted Prime Minister, who is pushing this madness,

is just a total loser. And yet another interview, this time with Rupert Murdoch's New York Post, he was asked about reports by the Daily Telegraph that he had called Stama a loser in private conversations. And he didn't deny it. Instead, he said, well, he's not Winston Churchill. It was very disappointing.

His performance, having to do without tremendous attack on a hostile nation, he should be giving us without question or hesitation, things like bases. We can use others. The president added that he was taken aback by Stammer's resistance to work with the Pentagon, given the UK, and US's close alliance. We should be able to certainly count on them.

I was very surprised at Care, very disappointed. And in more bad news for the embattled Stama, Nigel Farage is now on his way to Mar-a-Lago to put the boot in. President Trump has almost understood the deal. Almost, but I will be dining at Mar-a-Lago tomorrow night. And will reinforce the message. And we can't trust our government on anything. Our deputy prime minister, who was also the former foreign secretary,

doesn't even know Cyprus is not a member of NATO for God's sake. Our allies, I should say, because Cyprus is part of NATO, the French, the Germans and others have also sent frigates to the reasons to support those in Cyprus. Well, the safety of that base is essential, and it's not just a base that serves the United Kingdom, it serves the region and of course we work very much with our allies

because Cyprus is a NATO country. What about the Defence Secretary? Is he any better? Absolutely not. As Lee Harris posted after another

Sly News catastrophe this is excruciating to watch this interview should immediately end John Haley's political career even Sly News can see he's completely out of his depth

and amazingly they don't give him an inch. I've never seen anything like it, this is terrifying. We are totally screwed. Watch. We've got the US destroyers that provide much of the same protection that our air defense destroyer will provide when we bring that into the region. It's that base the question, why send it? If it's already the capability in the region, why send it? Because we're now in a position to judge better the nature of the Iranian response

to the strikes. We can see they're increasingly indiscriminate, they're rising, they're widespread, they're uncontrolled. Did that come as a surprise to you? The Iranians always, always threatened that. So does it come as a surprise to you that the Iranians hit targets across the region? What is significant about this Iranian response is it's different to last year. Last year it was proportionate, it was targeted only at military installations. This year in the first 24 hours, we saw them strike 10 different countries. Sure, but the Americans weren't involved last year from the ATSAT.

The Americans only came in at the very end. The Americans this time have led the way with the Israelis. It was clear. The Iranians always said that they would do it widespread. They would target U.S. military assets around the region and anybody else. So did it come as a surprise to you that Aquitiri was targeted? Absolutely clueless. But the problem is our MSM will not tell the truth about what's happening.

In fact, in the MSM, deranged left, continue to be given platforms to show how twisted they are when it comes to the Middle East. Case in point, the Britain hater in chief, even though we gave her everything, everything, and the Israel hater in chief, Yasmin Alibaya Brown. No, he is not. The bully is Iran. Iran of murdered people wholesale, as and when they're. they feel like it. They stone women to death, women who get raped. They murder Britons. They murder Americans. They murder Jews. They're just, they're the bullies. And America have talked and

talked about this, getting rid of their nuclear weapons. They refuse to do so. And I'm afraid, after years, nearly 50 years of talking, talking has come to an end. And as far as I'm concerned, Stama is a spineless coward who has let down America, our greatest ally, and when it comes to America needing us, us need in America,

I wouldn't be surprised if they turn us down. It's total humiliation. Peter, I can tell you that Yasmin will dis- I agree with you on that one. I cannot believe what you've just said. I am speechless. Are you really saying... Are you really saying that in the last five years,

Iran has murdered hundreds and thousands of people? I completely agree with you that it has oppressed and treated abominably its own people. But you haven't mentioned Israel at all in this. And Israel, where all these people are being murdered, Oh my God, are you serious? Iran exports terror around the world. Iran sponsored al-Qaeda in the 7-7 attacks.

Iran was deeply involved in October 1712. Let's not talk about Israel. Iran is a threat to us here at home. So is Israel. How? Because what it is done to those people, the civilians, has created such extraordinary motions among all people, not just Muslims.

In this country. Because it fuels Islamic extremism. Uh-huh. Oh, let's not talk about extremism because there is also Zionist extremism. There are Zionists who are absolutely middle of the road, and I'm with them, and there are extremist Zionists, and Netanyahu is the leader of those. These are the people who are given the biggest platform, the biggest megaphone in the mainstream media, and they hate us.

Now, Connor Dominson. Conner, is Shabana Mahmood right that anyone can become English? No, and as I put in my post, Dan, which you showed on screen, by her standards, George Orwell would have been an ethno-nationalist because during her speech when she was laying out the need for these pretend immigration restrictions, notably not targeting Pakistan, despite it being the overwhelming nation, that produces visa overstayers and even, let's say dubious asylum applyers, she said that the reason she's doing all this is to preserve a humanitarian

immigration system and asylum system in Britain. So it's just to protect the continued inflow of migrants from her part of the world, the Middle East, Africa and the Indian South Continent, it's to continue the inflow of those migrants without arousing too much public is furious at both levels of legal and illegal migration. But what's fascinating, Dan, is that George Orwell, one, was born in India. So George Orwell is not Indian. He's English. Was. So by Shabana Mukmoot's own standards, she would have to recognise George Orwell as one of India's greatest writers,

and she's not going to do that. But number two, George Orwell wrote, and I can't believe she quoted Lion and the Unicorn there. Because I did a video when she put out her Labour Party conference speech back in September, saying basically the same thing. Mine is the patriotism of Orwell, it's civic nationalism and ethno-nationalism, which is totally redundant, it's evil. I said, I quoted the line in the unicorn in that exact passage, because in order to recognize a photo of yourself, you have to be the same person. And so for a country to recognize itself a hundred years apart, it has to be populated by the same people. And George Orwell, if he were brought to the present now, he would

not only not recognize Shabana Mahmoud as English. He would say, what's this Pakistani woman doing in government, he would consider her appointment as Home Secretary the consequence of us somehow being conquered or having lost a war. So no, unless she means she has the patriotism of Big Brother in 1984 and given she said that she wants to turn Britain into a digital panopticon where the eyes of the state can be on you at all times, that's very possible, unless she is trying to tell us to convince, to say to us that we must recognize that she is English in the same way that Winston Smith had to say two plus two equals five, she doesn't

share the opinions of Allwell. And if I may, Dan, it's interesting that you book-ended your monologue with a clip from Yasmin Alapai Brown, because back in the 2010s, Yasmin was going around interviewing the wives, the mothers, the daughters of the rate gangers. And they were very open about the fact that they prayed on white girls because they were white and they weren't Muslim. And in a Times column, and in an independent column, she also wrote for the Daily Mail. But in the Times of the Independent Column, but in the Times in the Independent columns. She quotes verbatim the derogatory language that Asian Pakistani families have towards Gora, white people, white women. And in one of them, I think it's the independent one, she suggests

that much like there were black writers in America following the abolition of the slave trade, but under the sort of Jim Crow segregation laws, black writers who wrote about having rape fantasies against white women as a kind of punishment for slavery and segregation, she said, I wonder herself being an Indian Muslim woman, if this is race and religion-based revenge for colonialism. So, when Shabana Mahmoud denies that the English exists as a distinct ethnic group, at the same time as other Muslims are going around raping white children, because they hate ethnic English people, they hate non-Muslims, and they feel this is some kind of revenge for past colonial grievances. This is gaslighting to a disgusting scale, and it is, frankly,

enabling all sorts of atrocities that the government know are going on and are engaged in an active cover-up of. Yeah, it is interesting, isn't it, when you look at someone like Yasmin Alibaya Brown, born in Uganda, given an incredible life in this country, attended Oxford University, does seem to hate English people, but at the same time thinks it's racist for English people to say that they have an ethnicity. And this is the weird thing, whereas Shibana Mack mood is doing it in a different way, Connor. She's sort of almost saying, well, no, this is like patriotism on speed. And that's why I'm English. But it feels when I watch her interviews that she's far more comfortable referring to herself as a brummy than as someone who is English, because I think

deep down she knows what she's saying is nonsensical in the same way that it's nonsensical for India Willoughby to say that he's a woman. Actually, Dan, I think the reason she's more comfortable saying that she's a Brummy. One is because, obviously, she's lying, not just about the fact that she's English, but about the fact that Birmingham is one of our greatest cities. I mean, I remember a Tory party staffer got in trouble in 2022 when he referred to it as a dump on Twitter. That's just patently true. But she's also, probably more comfortable to say she's a brummy, because Birmingham does look like her. Birmingham is a colony. But Blackburn, colony. Luton, colony. These are, as Sir Jim Ratcliffe said, colonized.

by immigrants. People that we never wanted to come here in the first place who have set up their own enclaves with their own independent shops with their own signs in their own languages that dress differently, that eat differently, and that hold out-group-based contempt for the communities, the indigenous communities, that neighbor them. I mean, look at the Gorton and Denton by-election, for example. You played a clip of Nigel Farahs debating a Green Party councillor in that monologue. Gorton and Denton is basically Israel and Palestine.

And we've recreated the tribal blood feuds of the Middle East here in our country, not just between, for example, the Iranian suspected terrorists that are spying on Jews, or, you know, the Syrian guy that shot a bunch of Jews, but between Muslims, mainly from the Indian subcontinent, and whites who they hold ethnic and religious grudges against. And so when she says she's a Brahmi, that's pretty accurate, because actually Birmingham has been colonised, and I think it's high time now that we pursued policies that were tantamount to

decolonization. And do remember Ben Habib, the Advanced UK leader who takes a different position on this and has accused Restore Britain of full tilt racism. He is going to be here

later in the show. So don't go anywhere. Stand by for that. It's going to be fascinating stuff. Now Rupert Lowe has said that there is now an MSM conspiracy, including amongst the centre-right outlets who you might think are patriotic,

you know, The Daily Telegraph and GB News, to purposefully shut down, restore Britain, to stop the march of this brand-new political party that is already surging in the poll and has over 100,000 members. And he's now really taking the attack directly to these outlets, posting on X. The Daily Telegraph runs attack after attack on media, with no right of reply. A monster, even Lightning Restore Britain to the Nazis, it's more one-sided than the BBC. Why not give me a chance to defend our position, thus scared, because they know we can win the election.

Now that was in reference to a whole load of stuff that the Telegraph is doing, but it does also include one column by the Daily T host Tim Stanley, who wrote Restore Britain is not the answer. It has become a magnet for angry young men with very short hair. It won't surprise you to hear that Restore has become a magnet for some angry young men with very short hair whose shirts in a different era would surely be brown. Well, Rupert has had enough about this, watch. The establishment, the press, if you noticed, the press have cut me out other than good people like yourself, have cut me out completely.

I mean, G.B. News, who claimed to be an impartial, literally have gone full on Nigel. The BBC, I hardly hear a peep out of them these days. I don't think they covered our rape gang inquiry at all. And I saw Jeremy Hivine on his phone in when somebody asked him about me, couldn't wait to get them off. And of course, this is becoming anti-democratic. And those organisations should take a good, hard, long look at themselves. Because are they now just saying and admitting that they are Reform UK propaganda,

organizations because check out the latest Find Out Now poll where Restore Britain is prompted already at 7%. It took Reform UK two years and Liz Truss's budget to get over 7%. And Rupert is increasingly confident writing that he thinks Restore Britain can win the next general election. And he added, I really do enjoy watching the usual online commentary at mock and insult Restore Britain when we launched, it was the usual snares. We were told we wouldn't even poll 1%, and we'd get a few thousand members. Under three weeks later, we're now on 7% consistently in the polls, with over 100,000 members, almost the fourth largest membership in the country, 10,000 plus volunteers, dozens of branches established already, more coming online every day. My message to the Westminster

establishment is this. Keep underestimating us. Please, this movement is going to grow and grow and The British people want the woke pistake to end. There is now a political party dedicated to doing exactly that. But the issue is that the mainstream media, including those on the right, are now canceling anyone associated with Restore Britain. We've seen it happen with their spokesperson Charlie Downs. We've seen it happen with their brand news signing Alla Minnie Hayne, who was a real face on GB News,

until she left Reform UK, and with Connor Tomlinson too, who writes, Restore Britain's supporters and surrogates are banned from legacy print and broadcast outlets, because where the right or left, all are engaged in a Ming Vars strategy of carefully carrying their preferred colour of establishment party to the electoral finish line.

The window of acceptable opinion is Britain belongs to nobody in particular, and the prize of admission to 10 Downing Street is one's willingness to pander to sectarian minority groups. Representing the forgotten British majority means falling outside that window and inviting endless misrepresentations and insults. We must rise above it and respond to whatever names we are called with Rupert's characteristic, I don't care. The depths they are willing to sink to, to defend a paragon which has ruined our country, and visited atrocities on our people reflects badly on them, not us.

And Connor Thomason is with me now. Connor, it is still very disturbing, though, that you're saying even restore Britain surrogates, even those people who used to be super popular on these channels all the time, like all a mini-hane, are now being banned too. Yes, it does make me want to be. wonder what will happen after Restore becomes a registered political party and if it continues to rise in the polls. And I think the Labor government's decision today to appoint a Islamophobia

blasphemy board will only continue to mark us out as, and I say us as a supporter, not a spokesperson, but mark the party out as the only credible anti-establishment alternative that opposes the Islamification of our country, as well as the other cultural congress. conquest of other sorts of cultures that shouldn't have a hearing in public life here. Dan, what I found very interesting is the unanimous descending on Restore Britain by ostensibly right-wing press. I know the Telegraph is about to be sold to some left-wing German billionaire or whatever, but the Telegraph is meant to be the right-wing paper of repute. And they have done some good work before with, you know, Sam Ashworth Hayes and Charlie Peters

and the like publishing about the Rape Gang stuff in there. So when they're publishing war-to-war coverage from Tim Stanley, who, you know, I've met a bunch of times, had a drink within Parliament before, he's DM me before, but curiously stopped responding to my messages after I said, brown shirts, a bit uncharitable chap, are you going to have anyone on the daily tea to maybe talk about this? When they had published this guy called Khaled Hussein on there, who, as Carl Benjamin described, is a malcontent who left Egypt because it was too anti-Semitic, converted to Judaism in Israel, and then left Israel because he said it was too racist, him as an Arab, and now spends all his time complaining about nobody ever listens to him

because he's made such sacrifices to prevent terrorists from coming into our country and committing terrorism, despite the fact that if we didn't have borders open to that part of the world, they would never be here in the first place. He sits there and calls Rupert low a monster because the institutions that didn't listen to him have created him. The Telegraph only just published a piece from Rupert saying, actually, no, I'm a granddad and a farmer

and my concerns are pretty much normal and just in line with what the majority of the public want. And this is the strategy, right? This is why I said the Ming Vos strategy. It's because every single media outlet in the country, save alternative media outlets that, you know, wear their biases on their sleeve, are busily engaged in escorting their preferred color of establishment party to the electoral finish line.

And this includes reform, because if you criticize reform, if you're a critical friend of reform, as we used to call ourselves down before there was an alternative available, then you will find yourselves on the outs. And that Ming Vars strategy was, by the way, the analogy used and said to me by, I believe he's still Reforms director of comms, back in 2024. And I warned them. I said, look, if you keep estranging your base, they are going to break away and form either a rival

power base or walk down a cul-de-sac and waste some energy that you otherwise might need in the run-up to an election. And they said, no, no, no, don't worry. It'll be fine. We'll engage with everyone, all the online commentators in 2026. After the Scotland and Wales elections are out the way, we've cemented ourselves as an National Political Party. Well, it's like, I'm sorry, I think my warning was right. I think now you have to contend with Restore Britain. And I think now lots of people who wanted an anti-establishment

alternative party are going to vote for that one rather than the one populated by Boris Johnson's cabinet ministers. And the thing is, Connor, it's so frustrating for me that people who should know better are engaging in Godwin's law. And the whole thing about Godwin's law, which is the idea that if you raise the Holocaust or if you raise Nazis or if you raise Adolf Hitler in an argument, basically you've lost, right? You've lost from the start because you're clearly engaging in hyperbole. You're clearly being hysterical. But these people on the right should know better because it's a strategy that is also used against them. So to see so-called conservative, so-called people on the right be so fun.

to brand restore Britain as neo-Nazi, as we saw from Leila Cunningham, or compare them to the brown shirts, as we saw from Tim Stanley. I'm sorry, I genuinely think it's disgusting. It's really disgusting. And all it does, actually, is empower the hard left, who are now going to use and engage in those same arguments against Reform UK. Yeah, my Austrian friend, Ralph Shoalhammer, who would be a good guest, here actually down at some point,

has a phrase to describe the politics of both Britain and the European Union. And they say, much like asking what would Jesus do, they ask, what would Hitler do and then do the opposite to the point of self-harm? So they create this sort of bogeyman, this caricature. And this is why you get the phrases like far right and racist and Nazi and fascist and all the other things. What it just means, especially in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder, it just means these are my political opponents,

and it's okay to commit violence against them. It's okay to censor them. Because them pointing out problems are the reason we have problems in the first place. If they weren't causing division, if they weren't populist demagogues, if they weren't racist, if they weren't... all these things.

If we all just shut our eyes and pretended nothing was wrong, we all live in John Lennon's imagine. And I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to abide by politically correct, polite fictions that have enabled atrocities anymore. I think we just need to be brave, calm, and yes, reassuring but forthright, and speak the truth. And so I also think as well,

and again, it's boring to say there's a double standard here. But if you notice, Dan, the likes of Tim Stanley or our old friend Danny Finkelstein will decry, you know, the likes of me as the second coming of Adolf Hitler, but they are more than happy to conduct very cozy interviews with literally a communist Ash Sarkar that has celebrated the decline in white Brits in their own country, as quote, we're winning lads, who has said, she defined woke culture as the expropriation of power, property, and political representation along the lines of race, class, sex, and gender. So quite literally, Identitarian Communism, the philosophy that's killed far more than Nazism throughout the 20th century. But she's perfectly fine to platform. She is fine to go on the BBC,

on Newsnight, to have a telegraph write-up, to be debated on her own platform Novara Media, where some of the people celebrated the October 7th massacre, but myself, Charlie Downs, Rupert Lowe himself, no, no, no, we're beyond the pale. Because for some reason, the right in Britain takes hope not hate more seriously than people who share pretty much 99% of their own political priors. Totally, and it's disgusting because hope not hate still included all of them, by the way, all of the people who are attempting to moderate their positions, attempting to move to the left, was still all included.

You know, Farage was still included in the Hope Not Hate Report. There he is, actually. There he is. Alongside Rupert Lowe, Tommy Robinson, Steve Laws, and Nick Tenconi. So don't listen to these people on the left. Surely that's the answer here. Yes, Dan. And I must say, I was very glad to also be the recipient of a right-wing Oscar this year.

I think I got 11 mentions. Charlie Downs beat me by one with 12. so I've got to sort of up my game. But being disliked by Hope Not Hate is a badge of endorsement. I mean, remember, they employed a paedophile to go and give evidence at the parliamentary hearing to shape the Online Safety Act, which ostensibly was to protect children online.

They've employed Matthew Collins, who was admitted to attacking Asian women with a hammer during his time in it was either Combat 18 or National Action. In 2013, and there's footage of this, as published by GB News, He stood up in front of a hammer and sickle at a hope not hate event and said, You are our Red Army. The Red Army murdered and raped their way across post-war Germany and Poland.

The Poles, I mean, the article, consulted a person, a historian in Poland, who said, this is one of the most offensive possible things akin to celebrating the Holocaust for Jews. So this organization still enjoys privileged access to Downing Street, a friendship with the Attorney General, and they've just had Baroness Ruf Smith, who in 2009 was listed as an American intelligence contract, which is very eyebrow-raising, she has just been appointed one of the senior jobs in the cabinet office, and she was a trustee of Hope Not Hate.

So this corrupt organization, which has employed thugs, has employed pedophiles, which smears, law-abiding members of the public for having sensible concerns about the state of their own country, they are enmeshed in Keer-Starmers' government. And whatever government succeeds Keer-Starmers, whatever patriotic government succeeds Keer-Starmers, needs to launch an immediate criminal investigation into home or hate, needs to strip them of their charitable status, and needs to prosecute people who have been involved in the organisation and against whom there are credible allegations of all sorts of misconduct.

Very good point, very, very good point, Connor Thominson. But yes, I do actually think it is a badge of honour if you're in the Hope Not Hate Report. Absolutely. Now, Conner, do stand by because we're going to be coming to you later in the show, of course, including on this show. shocking story that the comedian Rosie Jones, and by the way, I say comedian like that. Actually, I'm going to say so-called comedian. It wants to be a national treasure, but is also calling for the death of David Attenborough. But now, the uncannselled interview. So there is a very clear

split on the right at the moment over the so-called ethno-nationalist debate with Ben Habib going viral over the past few days after a private DM was leaked where he said that Restore Britain, that is Rupert Lowe's party, has gone, quote, full-tilt racist. Now that was very surprising given that Ben had previously suggested that he wanted Advance UK to merge with Restore Britain. But here is that message. Hi, John, just ignore it.

Restore Britain have gone full tilt racist and we'll continue. Now Restore Britain actually seems to be leaning into that with a post on the party's official ex account saying go full tilt for Restore Britain. Don Keith, who is an advance UK supporter, said, I just don't get it. It's almost like he's trying to implode his own. party. Yesterday, Rupert complained because Ben Habib said Restore Britain had gone fill-tilt racist and today he posts this seemingly embracing the notion. But Rupert clearly isn't happy with what Ben Habib has said. Simply posting in response on X, this is a very serious accusation.

So Ben Habib joins me now. Ben, look, there's a lot to cover off here because we've got the political and we've got the philosophical. And I know both are important to you and we can obviously have, as we always do here, a completely unfiltered conversation. But do you just want to kick off and sort of explain what you meant by Restore Britain going full tilt races? I think, can I come back to that, if I may, Dan?

What I'd like to first address is the... clear move of restore Britain towards ethno-nationalism. I think something which, it's key spokesman support, and I think Rupert Lowe himself supports. He talks about, on the 1st of March he put out, well, I have to say, can I just say one thing? When I say Rupert Lowe in the context of the post he puts on X, it's actually not Rupert who drafts those. It's an individual who works for him, who does it. So it could be that Rupert Lowe hadn't vetted this post properly himself. But on the 1st of March, Rupert Lowe put out a post on X in which he described the impossibility of an individual who goes to live in Japan is becoming somehow Japanese

and that there is an English ethnicity and that that needs to be recognised and that he would strip that horrible chap, the Egyptian, who, was granted British citizenship and brought from Egypt into the United Kingdom, who I think his name is Allah Albert Alfate or something. He would strip him of his British nationality and deport him. And I'd like to come back to that post, but it clearly evidences that Restore Britain is going ethno-nationalist because it talks about the need for an English,

it talks about an English ethnicity and the impact that that would have on their party. Now, when you talk about, if you want to have a debate about ethnicity, I think that's a great debate to have. We need to have that debate in this country because this is a country which has gone abroad and interacted with the world and we've got all sorts of cultural importations that have taken place. And it's a debate that needs to be had. But when you're a political party and you essentially declare that you're an ethno-nationalist

political party, that means the policies you're all going to make, the decisions you're going to make in the way that this country is governed are going to be infused with that ethno-nationalism. Just to interrupt briefly, two points. Firstly, and I've got to say this to be fair, Restore Britain absolutely deny that they are an ethno-nationalist party. They say none of their policy positions are, including the fact that they haven't even advocated for non-natives not to be able to run.

for Parliament, for example. And on the post that you referred to there, Elon Musk replied, if ethnicity exists at all, which it obviously does, then English is an ethnicity. This is a simple statement of fact. It is possible to be culturally English or French or Japanese, etc., but ethnically be different. The first is software. The other is hardware. This should not be licensed to be cruel or unfair to people of a different ethnicity.

I believe we should be fair to all ethnicities, but not pretend that one or another does not exist. and you actually replied to his post agreeing with him. So I'm confused as to where your position is different to Rupert. So it's different. It's very different to be a political party standing on a platform and advocating ethno nationalism, which is where Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain is. I know you say that they deny it,

but their spokesman, Charlie Downs, and he is their spokesman, correct me if I'm wrong, actually talks about the need to recognize that unless you've got a number of, of generations, I don't know how far back Charlie Downes thinks you need to go, unless you go back a number of generations being English, you cannot be English. You cannot be British. This was in the debate with Nana Require on GB News. Ben, just in case people haven't seen it,

I just want to play it, and then I'll let you come back, okay? Yeah, sure. What does it mean to be English then? Okay. Well, but I mean, we have made it very clear, Restore Britain, have made it very clear that our position is that Britishness is not justified by having a British passport. It is not just defined by believing in a set of abstract corporate style values like democracy and the rule of law. Or is it defined by what it is? Well, let me finish it. So the position of every mainstream party from Reform UK right the way through to the Greens is that Britishness is defined by having a passport or believing in democracy.

Right. In our view, that is an absolutely ridiculous definition. Because Britain and the constituent nations that make this country up, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, are ancient peoples. These are ancient nations that have been existed continuously for over a thousand years. And so there is a difference. So am I British? There is a difference between somebody. Am I British?

I'm going to get to that. I'm a majority. Am I British? Well, look, you're born in Britain and all the rest of it. So in that sense, yes, you are British. So, so Ben, why is there a problem with him saying you are British in the sense that you have a passport, right? But you're not ethnically English. Like, why is that a problem?

Because I don't think anyone would have a problem if I moved to Japan. Dan, Dan, I've got to explain. why it becomes a problem if you're a political party. English ethnicity exists, and I want to come back to that. I want to come back to that debate. But you cannot make the case as a political party that you essentially support English nationalism or that you support Scottish nationalism

or Welsh nationalism or Ulster nationalism. The minute you go down that route, two things happen. The first is you give voice to separatists across the United Kingdom. That is a dark road for this country to go down. If you believe in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which I do, then there's no place in a political party as distinct from having the view of English ethnicity. There's no position for ethno-English nationalism,

because what you'll be doing is legitimising the Scottish claiming that they should leave. You'll legitimise the Welsh separatists, and there is also an Ulster nationalist grouping, and you would give them a voice, and you would end up tearing this country apart, number one. Number two, you would also give voice to people who don't really understand, and I don't think Charlie Downs understands what ethnicity means,

and I want to come back to that in the debate in the second. But you give voice to people who then say, well, if there's an English ethnicity, then I want to get rid of all people who haven't been brought in it, born in this country for, I don't know, I haven't got ancestry going back, I don't know, 100 years, 200 years, a thousand years, I don't know where you draw the line. But you give voice, you promote voices which you do not want, which will disturb the

peace of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That's why it's so dangerous for a political party to say, you know, effectively the things that Charlie Downs, the spokesman for Restore Britain is saying. But isn't it just a biological reality in this? same way that India, Willoughby is not a woman. So it's not a biological reality. So can we just park that there? I want people to understand there's a difference between having a view on English ethnicity

and a political party setting out its stall around that arrangement. A political party, if it believes in the United Kingdom, should not do it. It's a very dangerous road to go down. Because of the separatist thing. And because of the unleashing of really quite despicable violent voices that would take sucker from the notion that this is an English nationalist party. Just pause for one moment then. Because it sounds to me like you are then agreeing with Shabana Mahmood, who made this statement on Sunniussell. I just want to play it to you.

I do not agree with Shabana. I do not agree with Shabana. Okay, well, let's watch what she said. And then you tell me where your position differs because I need to work it out. Watch this. Do you personally, without reservation or hesitation, call yourself English? Yes, that's why I put that in the speech, because it's never occurred to me that I'm not. I very much identify with being somebody who's a Brummy.

I think Birmingham is one of the best of the English cities, and I consider myself English as well as British as well. Henry speaking, English usually means white. From your point of view, you've gone past that. So I think definitely when I was younger, everybody would have said if you're saying, someone is English, what you really mean is they're white. I think that is a little bit less true today as more of us are settled in England, as you've seen the rise of sort of Scottish civic identity and Welsh civic identity. So aren't you agreeing with her? No, I can't comment on how she sees herself. That's obviously a matter for her. But this is where Charlie Downs and Restore Britain,

I think, are going down a cul-de-sac out of which is going to be very, very difficult to emerge. And now can we have the debate on ethnicity? as opposed to the political thing. Ethnicity, if you look up the definition of it, is not about simply race. It's about cultural identity as well. It's about shared language, a shared history, a shared art, shared vision of who your national heroes are,

an understanding of your modern context taken from your historical one. It's a multifaceted thing. And it has, it's virtually impossible to define what it means, to be this ethnicity or that ethnicity, particularly in a country like the United Kingdom. You can do it with Japan because Japan has spent thousands of years keeping itself racially and ethnically almost identical and pure. But this country is not pure. Let me give you an example.

George I, who was the first king of Great Britain, was born in Germany. He's not Saxon. He was a Hanoverian. Born in Germany, couldn't speak a word of English. The next. monarch you get that's born in the United Kingdom is George the third, and he too had significant German blood. Then you get Queen Victoria, who was also born in Germany, not of Saxon blood, but was half German, and was the queen of this country when it was at the pinnacle of its power. So would you say that Queen Victoria was not English? Would you say that Winston Churchill, who was half American, whose mother was purportedly part Native American? Would you say he was not English?

One of the greatest Britons in my mind that ever lived, would under the classification given by Charlie Downs and other people in Restore Britain, would not be English, would not be British in the sense that he defines it. And you'll also remember, you'll also remember, Dan, when you came to our conference on the 7th of February,

we started, I started, my whole policy exposition, our whole approach to what it is that we wish to deliver for this country is going to be founded on our cultural policy. What it means, who are we as a people? How do we see ourselves? How do we want to go forward?

And I focus very much on culture because it is the culture of this country that binds us. And if you watch the speech that I gave in the Oxford Union a couple of months ago, it was released only recently, you will see how vociferously, I made the case for British culture, a shared language, a shared history, a shared understanding of belonging, shared art, music, food, national heroes, buildings, everything. That's what binds us? Yes.

Now, what's damaged this country so terribly? And what is pushing people like Charlie Downs and restore Britain down this wrong path is mass migration, multiculturalism, the setting aside of an understanding of all of us, or what it means to be British, being told that you can't be British, that actually we must celebrate ethnic minorities over and above into the detriment of this country, that actually Islam needs a protective blanket and Christianity needs to step aside. This multiculturalism, positive discrimination,

in favour of cultures that are antithetical, not just alien to us, but antithetical to us, has caused this schism that you're now seeing on the right-hand side of British politics. And what I would say to restore Britain is please remember you're representing, I hope they're representing, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I recognize English ethnicity, but it's not a bloodline that defines it as evidenced by our kings and national heroes. I mean, I think there's two things to point out. Firstly, what you're describing is sort of the same

type of stuff that Tony Blair for a long time described, that civic nationalism. And I guess it's just pointing out that ancestry does matter too. Ancestry can play a part in it. But I know many people, Dan, for example, who are entirely white, who were entirely English on both sides, but were born in Pakistan. Does that make them foreign under some definition? Well, of course, but my personal story on this is, and we've spoken about it in detail, on your podcast really matters to me in all of this, because of course, I am English,

I have full English blood. I was born in New Zealand. So I'm not someone who says if you're not born in this country necessarily, it doesn't mean you're ethically English. Because, of course, Boris Johnson was not born in this country. But I do think there is a fundamental point here that I'm really trying to get my head around, Ben. And that is that all Charlie Down said in that GBNU's appearance is that he does believe in the concept of English ethnicities. So do I.

Where you have seemed to have taken a leap is to immediately. suggest that Restore Britain's official policy is remigration of anyone who is not ethnically English. No, I haven't said that. I haven't said that's Restore Britain's policy. What I'm identifying is that Charlie Downes, spokesman Restore Britain, is actually setting out the party's view of ethno-nationalism. He's saying to Nana Acura, actually, you're not quite as British as I am. He's creating a two-tier Britishness in this country. And as I say, that will cause real problem. It's one thing to have that view if you're Restore Britain, the movement,

and you want to shift the debate, and you want to have the debate, to reveal the fact that English ethnicity has been so badly damaged through mass migration and multiculturalism. That's great. You can have that. Once you become a political party, you stand for every single person in this country. What have they done, though? this is what I'm really trying to work out.

What have they done to encourage ethno-nationalism? Aren't you mistaking some people who have supported the party with what their actual policies are? No, not at all. Not at all, Dan. What they're doing is promoting the notion that there is an Englishness which is different to the status that I might hold in this country because only my mother was white and blonde

and my father's Pakistani, or the status that nano-acua holds. And let me tell you about nano-ocua. So do you think that, just to clarify, do you think that Shabana-McMood and Nana-A-Qaeda English? Well, you think Nana-A-Qaeda-Mam-Mood. Well, I know Nana. So this is the point. As a political party, you cannot start defining these things

because it's so nuanced, it's so grey. As a political party, all you can do is what we're doing in advance, which is saying mass migration has gone too far, Multiculturalism's gone too far. Progressive discrimination is wrong. We have to get rid of all the people in this country who entered it illegally. All foreign criminals should be deported. If you're all foreign, you shouldn't get benefits.

And then we've got to bang the drum for the union flagged, our Christian roots, making sure children learn about our history. Our national heroes are not produced in the way that they're produced, protect our statues, all that kind of thing, which will settle our culture. And through the settlement. I think we do all agree with that. What's really interesting though, Ben, is that actually your position and the position of Reform UK, there's some interesting polling that suggests you're actually not where ordinary folk are

on the right. Let me just show you this. So obviously this was framed as a bad thing, by the way, because it was obviously written in the mainstream media, but it said that supporters of Nigel Farage's Reform UK held the most extreme views of any party backers with 71% saying that have, British ancestry was a prerequisite for someone to be truly British. And 59% said they believe the nation was an ethnic, not a civic community. Now, that's Reform UK supporters, right? And that's not even talking about English. That's just saying being British. Well, that's an extraordinary, I haven't seen that poll. It's an extraordinary poll. That was among supporters of reform UK. Yeah, I mean, they obviously haven't looked at reform very closely. Reform is just Tory

Mark II, so they needn't worry about reform being too, you know, to, well, they're not worry, they shouldn't be taking their lead from Reform UK. But the point I'm trying to make, whether or not there's popular support for it, Dan, the point I'm trying to make, and if there is popular support for it, by the way, it's because there's been neglect of the kind that I've just been describing this mass migration, setting aside of what it means to be British, reducing our national heroes, etc. There's been a complete attack on what it means to be British over the last 30, 40 years. And there's bound to be a reaction to that. But it's the duty of us politicians to try and find a peaceful way forward, recognizing the very nuanced nature

of what it means to be ethnically English or ethnically British. I've just come away from a meeting with Lord Sewell, Tony Sewell, who was born in this country in 1959. He's black. His parents were from Jamaica. His parents were British subjects. They had British passports when they came to this country, and he was born in this country. Is he any less British than anyone else? He absolutely feels it. I can tell, but I'm not going to make party political policies based on his ancestry. That would be just crazy. And what Restore Britain is at least, at the very least, very seriously flirting with is this idea of ethnicity driving party policy. And the fact that, for example, people like Steve Laws endorse Restore Britain says that the messaging that Restore Britain is putting out

isn't right. He describes himself as the biggest racist in the country. That's how he describes himself. And if Restore Britain is getting support from people like Steve Laws, then other people who support Restore Britain need to really think hard about what's going on. But I mean, when you launched advance, though, you didn't want to judge a political party and a political leadership based on who your membership was. You were really clear on that. Absolutely. And nor should you.

But Steve Laws would never join in advance because he wouldn't identify himself with our policies. For some reason, he identifies himself with Restore's policies. So what's interesting, is it feels like you've sort of been reunited with Nigel Farage on your position to do this? No, no, no. I'm not. I'm not. Well, let me just show you what he had to say about this just a few days ago, because your positions feel quite similar. Watch this. Unless we are able to provide a proper democratic antidote to this, then I fear that we will see a rise of a really worrying, dangerous form of extreme right ethno-nationalism.

beginning over the last couple of weeks already to see some specimens of it. Nobody, nobody over the last quarter of a century has done more to defeat the genuine, intolerant, abhorrent, extreme far right than me. We did it with the British National Party and will do it with whoever else follows. But it's important we get a grip on this because there is no issue other than legal and illegal immigration that has broken the bond of trust between the voters and those that govern us more than this issue. And I have spoken out consistently on it for now nearly 25 years. But I repeat the point I made at the conference last week. This is no longer a one-man band.

Not that it ever was with all you lovely people. And the biggest membership of any party in the country. but I will leave the rest of this debate. Okay, we'll forget that stuff at the end because we know that it is a cult and all of that. But actually, everything else up until that point that he was saying is exactly what you're saying, isn't it? I hadn't seen that clip before,

but I do agree with him that it falls to the politicians to find a peaceful way out of this and to give succour to voices that would try and find political solutions to very nuanced, complex issues like English ethnicity. To make that into a political issue and policies to follow from it is deeply dangerous. That's why, Dan, just to remind you, I started our conference on the 7th of February with the whole exposition of what British culture means and how we restore our culture,

how we protect ourselves from any... We are not the Japanese. We had an empire that went across the world. We are part of the world. And we've got to find a way back to a peaceful settlement. And just to remind people who are viewing, George I, who was the first king of Great Britain, was born abroad, didn't speak a word of English.

Queen Victoria was half German. Winston Churchill was no more English than I am. And just one other thing I'd like to say. And this is a personal thing, but I'm going to say it. I'm half Pakistani and half English. And let me tell you, I feel English. Whatever Charlie Downs might wish to classify me as, I'm English. I would die on a cross for England and for the United Kingdom.

Absolutely, I would do that. No doubt. But I'm half Pakistani and half English. I married a lady who's half English, a quarter Russian and a quarter Scottish. My children, I've got two sons. One is white, exactly the same level of Englishness as I am, you know, historical Englishness, in inverted commas. And the other is Brown.

And he is exactly the same ethnicity as his brother, half English. And they're a quarter Pakistani, an eighth Scottish and an eighth Russian. Where do they fit in any political policy that might be based on ethnicity? It's a dangerous, dangerous road. Yeah, it's really interesting. It is a really, really fascinating debate. And clearly it has got a... very, very heated. But on the politics of this, Ben, the pure politics, I think what has

disappointed so many of us is there was real hope on the day that Restore Britain launched and you made that very magnanimous video and suggested that you wanted these two parties to come together. Now, you know, I report very closely on all of these goings on. And clearly you don't want to do that now and you've withdrawn the offer. But it does feel sad because what I'm told, and you can, you can tell me your own version of events, but you were offered the opportunity to become deputy leader or chairman of Restore Britain and that there were really positive talks going on behind the scenes. But you had said that Restore Britain would have to effectively take on

all of the advance college and the sort of, you know, behind-the-scenes democracy that you had created. I think there'll be a lot of people, Ben, who are just like, oh, that would have been so good. Like, that would have been so good. You'd always said you didn't want to lead the party. So how brilliant would it have been for you to be Rupert's deputy? Is that true that that offer was made? So, I mean, you've obviously been getting information from someone in Restore Britain.

But let me be precise about what happened since this is now in the public domain. I had a dinner with Rupert Lowe on the 19th of January at which the possibility of a merger was discussed and with him as leader. And I said actually I would chair the college, you know, the body of sort of great minds that I've set up in advance. And he suggested perhaps you'd be better place as deputy leader.

You know, I'd want you in the front line. And the next morning I wrote a long email on how we might give effect to what we discussed the night before. And I didn't get a response. And so I prompted for a response on the 24th of January. And I said in my prompt, in my prompt, I said, if there's anything in my proposal with which you disagree, please let me know.

I readily volunteer that I do not have a monopoly on good ideas. And even if your counterproposal is radically different, please make it. And I didn't get a response to that. And then after then, Rupert Lowe actually texted me and he said that he'd get back to me after the rape gang inquiry. But immediately after the rape gang inquiry, the Restore Britain was launched. And the next morning, I made my very open offer again to, you know, bring our parties together. And then I think on the 17th of February, I don't know why I know these dates, but I just do.

So on the 14th of February, I made my public offer to bring our parties together. On the 17th of February, I sent another email to Rupert asking for a response, asking him to explain what the position was to me, and I got no response to that. Coincidentally, this tilt towards ethno and nationalism, which, by the way, I'm not the only one who spotted it. I don't know if you've seen the interview that David Starkey had with Rupert Lowe. Yeah. Yeah, and David Starkey said exactly what I. I'm saying, this is dangerous, Rupert.

Get off this band. You're going down a very dangerous route. And Rupert said, well, I've got some young people in the party. I'm the wisdom. They're the young voices. And I'll bring them under control. Anyway, coincidentally, and he hasn't brought them under control. And coincidentally, Restore Britain started

going down this kind of increasingly ethno-nationalist route. And I became increasingly concerned by it. And so much so that after I saw Rupert Lowe's post on the 1st of March, we'd had a meeting of our college on the 1st of March as well to determine how to go forward now that the British political landscape had become, you know, quite crowded on the right-hand

side of British politics, so much so that the next day I put out of video saying, well, you know, where we're drawing our preparedness to, you know, come together, we're going to do our own thing. Of course, of course, Dan. No one is more disappointed than I am that we can't all come together. And if there's a desire to do that, my door is always open. But it has to be done for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in all its parts, not for England, not for Scotland, Wales or Ulster on its own, for the United Kingdom. And it's got to be done in a serious principled way.

We've got to bring peace to this country. We've got to restore not just our culture, our cultural settlement, what it means to be British. We've then got to make ourselves economically prosperous. We've got to do so many things, and we would be so much more powerful if we did it together. But if they go down this peculiar route, then they are putting themselves in a cul-de-sac

out of which they will not emerge. That is for sure. And I can't be part of that. I can't be part of stirring the pot. I can't be part of it. I have to be part of a peaceful political process. Ben Habib, absolutely fascinating to have this conversation. Thank you so much for tackling all of it head on. And I think this will be the beginning of a wider conversation.

So Ben Habib, leader of Advance UK. Thank you. Thank you very much. Connor Tomlinson of Tomlinson talks has been watching along. Connor, what's your response to Ben Habibu? So, Dan, it's quite a lot there. First of all, I don't think Ben was honest. I'm going to be honest.

Because Ben has known us for years, actually, myself, Harrison Pitt, Charlie Downs. We've co-hosted podcasts together. We had dinner together after Ben got kicked out of reform unceremoniously, which was very unfair. So, you know, I've had drinks with Ben's son. So it's pretty unfair that he has made, now named, but often unnamed. attacks on myself and Charlie, going so far as to, like, quote from a lotocita segment I made in December of 2024, joking that Rupert was Caesar to say Rupert's going to be a dictator. It's hysterical. But Ben knows, and he keeps using the term ethno-nationalist, Ben knows that we don't use that term, that we don't think that term is applicable.

That ethno-nationalism is a redundant term, because it is not ethno-nationalism to say that nations are collections of families, and in order to belong to a nation, you have to belong to that family, which means belonging to the nation is a matter of ancestry, which means that English people are an ethnic group, just as the Japanese or the Jews are an ethnic group. Ben knows that that is our position, and we don't have another position.

Because in 2024, he came on deprogrammed on the New Culture Forum, and we discussed this topic. And I said to Ben, well, you know, your father married an English woman, you're half English, you married a woman who is part English, your sons are part English, and it means that even though you were born in Pakistan, it means that you've married into the tribe. And so you're one of our countrymen, you're one of our friends, you get along with us.

And he agreed with me. He agreed with my framing, going so far as to reiterate it. And so it's very disappointing to see Ben engage in the same kind of, I think, politically motivated. smears that we saw Matt Goodwin engaging despite knowing us for years, Alex Phillips engaging despite knowing us for years. And I must say, Dan, as well, and the reason I know that this is dishonest, and I've kept out of this so far, because I'm genuinely quite sad that this has happened, because I've been trying to text Ben, and he's left me on red every single

time. But on the morning after the advance conference, I put out of a tweet about, yes, I put out a tweet about Ben's policies, and I said, okay, here are the advanced policies, I was just reporting on them. Here are some of the things that weren't mentioned in these policies that were mentioned in Harrison's paper, so maybe we should, you know, line up on this to have a more robust thing. I had conversations with members of the college while at the drinks. Ben sent me a text at like three in the morning saying it was very unhelpful and he didn't agree with me and I just said, whoa, Ben, you know, hold off, right? I came to the event because I was invited by Floss. I'm not a member of the party, but we're friends. My grandfather, who passed away on the same

days Peter Whittle, really liked Ben's TV appearances, and so he actually was a member of advance, so I came along to honour him. And we had a back and forth, and I said to Ben, look, I really don't want to fall out with you, you know, all the best. And he ended that exchange with, and I will quote verbatim. And remember, this is a week before Restore Britain launched. For your info, I do not take the need to anyone. It would be a serious misjudgment to think so. Does that sound like he intended to not lead a party? Does that sound like he intended to have a good faith merger? And also, I would say, then, finally, ahead of any kind of conversation between advance, obviously Ben wanted to merge the college in, there was a chap called Richard Inman,

who was alleging that Rupert has dementia, who was calling myself and Carl Benjamin and presumably Charlie Downs, snakes, rats, ethnats and racists. And so immediately the social dynamics were very difficult because one side was throwing insults and mud at the other. So I just have to say, to those who, you know, are concerned about Ben's character characterization of Restore Britain and our members of advance, because Ben did really good work for the years in the wilderness there where, you know, the base were derided as that lot and shrugged off by reform and Ben was mistreated. Now that I've explained this, you have to wonder, sorry, but can you trust him to be honest? Because I considered Ben a friend for years, and now I just can't. I have to say we must stop referring to Rosie Jones as a comedian. Okay, this is a so-called comedian.

Actually, I think this is regardless of a disability and the fact that she speaks very slowly. She's one of the most unfunny human beings I have ever encountered. And indeed, what is most shocking to me is that the elite class and the MSM class in this country still continue to treat this woman as a national treasure. And Rosie Jones herself is now calling on that definition and using the death of the...

David Attenborough a very elderly man in the twilight years of his life in order to do so. Now, the headlines describe this as unclassy. I would say it is far more than unclassy. It's sick and it's twisted and it shows everything about this woman who posted on Instagram. I love David Attenborough, but right now I am waiting for him to die. Okay. And that was the front of Trump page. And so to actually hear the rest of it, where she said, hear me out, you had to swipe across. And she said, he's a national treasure. But right now in the UK, we have so many national treasures of anything too many. Right now, we're talking a one-in, one-out situation. I want in. Now, not only is that not at all funny. It's also pretty sick. And it's quite astonishing.

given that it is Rosie Jones herself who has been moaning about the negativity towards her. Watch this. Hello. So I noticed that recently there's been a lot of negativity on my account. A lot of people out there who have said they shouldn't. be a comedian because I'm disabled and cause I speak slowly and I just wanted to say to all of those people with respect for you and going to carry on doing what I do and going to carry on doing what I do because I love it

and I love who I am. Bye. It's quite ironic, isn't it? She's the one moaning about negativity when her idea of humour is calling for the death of a 99-year-old man. I think Adam Brooks probably summed it up best

by saying, let's be honest now. I don't know one person that actually finds her funny, not one, painful to watch. And the reason that Rosie Jones gets all of these gigs is nothing to do with her comedy, because as I say, her comedy is really bad. It's all to do with her political position. Because as the Express pointed out in their article about this, it comes just months after Rosie slammed fellow comedians Jimmy Carr and Ricky Jervais for their controversial trans joke.

She branded them, wait for it, you won't. be surprised, quote, privileged cis white straight men who open their newspaper and go, oh, people are talking about trans people. I can know a bit about that without experiencing at all. To those boys, I'd say with respect, shut the fuck up. Well, Rosie Jones, after your little dig calling for the death of David Attenborough, do you know what I say to you? Shut the fuck up because I'm sick of it. You're not funny. You're never going to be a national treasure. And actually, if I never had to hear one of your jokes again, I'd be happy.

Connor Tomlinson, look, it's just astonishing, isn't it? Because if this was someone who wasn't slagging off, you know, cis white men, privileged cis white straight men, so she's talking about you there, Connor, no doubt. I have a feeling there'd be a bit of outrage about her calling for the death of David Attenborough. But Rosie Jones is sort of one of these protected species, Connor. It's like you're not allowed to attack her at all. She can do whatever she wants. She can say whatever she wants,

but you cannot say anything against her. One of the things I hate most about political correctness or wokeness or whatever you want to call it, Dan, is that it tries to force us to tell lies. And one of these lies is clearly that Rosie is funny. It's not just a joke, of course, that, I mean, you can make jokes about people. dying and it's funny, but this one was just tasteless and not very creative. But it's delivery,

and I'm sorry again, it's not very politically correct to say, but Rosie's particular speech impediment means that the element of timing required for comedy just isn't present. And so she isn't funny, and she is no more effective a comedian than I would be a basketball player or a hat model with ears the size of mine. And so if she doesn't funny, and she is, you know, fails the basic qualification of being funny, then no, you're not a comedian, you're simply just another mouthpiece for regime-approved propaganda. And that is revealed, as you said, in her being selectively outraged about jokes by Jimmy Carr and Rickard Jaze, two men that are far funnier than she actually is, losing her collective rag, at the fact that they are making

quite risque jokes in their particular industry and environment, and they can actually actually pack out an auditorium and get laughs that aren't canned or or paid for by Channel 4. So, yeah, I'm less outraged and offended by the contents of the joke down than by the fact that she self-identifies as a comedian, just as India Willoughby self-identifies as a woman. Yes, indeed, Connor Tomlinson. Connor, thank you so much. Connor is, of course, the host of Tomlinson talks on YouTube, and he will be back. on Thursday going head to head with Britain's strictest head teacher, Catherine Burbill Singh,

for the debate that the spectator banned, finally the public are going to see what it was all about. So Connett, very much looking forward to that next week. Thank you so much. We're going to reveal the worst Britain in the world now, though. This is when we put your union jackasses from across the week head to head. On Monday, it was Rachel from accounts after her dire spring statement. Tuesday, Hannah Spencer, newly elected, Green Party MP after Gorton and Denton, who gets straight to Parliament and decides she will attend a strictly come dancing dance class, deeply unsurious person.

Wednesday, her leader, the tit whisperer, Zach Polansky, deeply dangerous person. Thursday, a bit of fun, Nina Mishkoff, the G.B. News regular for her epic, Well down at Adam Brooks on G.B News's Fight Night. There's a separate video on that in our media bias feed on YouTube if you want to see it. So many comments from you coming in. Guys, we had 47,000 votes. You are incredible. Honestly, absolutely incredible.

LOK NAR 13 said, I had to go with Dina. Just seeing her face here. I don't know what she's done this week, but I despise her anyway. Deft Squirrel. 6-7-38 says I think it has to be Reeves All the others are useful idiots With no understanding of what they're doing

Slip Digby said Polanski is the only man Who could bite into a curly And miss the chocolate Jet Knight said the fact That Zach can't see That Muslims hate him Because of his sexuality is concerning

I know I say it all the time As a gay man Greg MacFarnan 1140 says It's the tooth fairy Zach Polansky does his As he brush his teeth With a hammock Sorry

Very funny And just got a superchatted now from life educated, saying Ben Habib equals intellectually dishonesty. A frog born in a stable doesn't make the frog a horse. Ben is a hypocrite and as pandering to economic migrants. It serves somehow he needs to listen to us natives. So very interesting responses. Thank you for all of your super chats all week. Okay, the results are in though. In fourth position, Nina Mishkov with 5% of the vote. In third position with 14% of the vote, Hannah Spencer. The right. runner-up with 31% of the vote, Rachel, from accounts. But the worst Britain in the world this week,

with 51% of your vote, is the tit-whisperer, Zach Polansky. And today, a very special, greatest Britain nominated by me for personal reasons, because it is my future mother-in-law, Liz Longer, who turns 60 on Sunday. And I know what you're thinking right now. I know what you're thinking. And this is what I tell her every single week. She does not look at day over 40. And I couldn't agree with that anymore. But honestly, Liz Longer is such a wonderful woman. Someone who absolutely knows how to make lemonade from lemons. I absolutely love her. She supported me so much through all of my cancellation. And this is a woman who knows about how tough life can be as well. She lost her youngest son to cancer when he was just five years old, but created a wonderful family with my fiancé Allen and my beloved future sister-in-law, Gillian, her husband, David, and a career, an amazing career in the NHS. And I just think that's such an amazing thing after going through something like that.

So I absolutely love her. I'm very, very sad that I'm not going to be on the big holiday that the family are taking for their 60th because I am off to see my family in New Zealand next week. But Liz, absolutely love you. Cannot wait to celebrate your 60th. And just a very personal big thank you from me for being the wonderful, proud Scottish woman you are. Please have a few strawberry dairies for me by the pool. And as I said, I will not be here live next week, but don't worry because we do have this very, very special week of the clash. So just come at the normal time, I promise you, you are going to love these episodes.

And then we're back live a week on Monday. We're heading over to Substack now, though, for the Royal Uncanceled After Show. Megan Markle has been dumped by Netflix. Honestly, this is such a disaster. such a disaster. You can come and find out all the latest from me and P. Diner at www. outspoken. Live.

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