Dan Wootton Outspoken - FURY AT SADIQ KHAN COVER UP AS NIGEL FARAGE HITS BACK AT ELON MUSK OVER TOMMY ROBINSON
Episode Date: January 17, 2025As Slippery Starmer vows to serve TEN YEARS as Prime Minister and refuses to rule out an early election, failed London Mayor Sadiq Khan is denying that he even knows what a grooming gang is. The destr...uction of the British capital is far more indicative of the general decline of the west. And could Andrew Tate really become British Prime Minister in this chaos? A man who knows Tate well joins live to analyse today in the Uncancelled Interview – Rob Moore, the top businessman and host of The Disruptors podcast. PLUS: Nigel Farage hits back at Elon Musk’s attack on him over Tommy Robinson as Kemi Badenoch flounders in an attempt at Tory relaunch. AND: Is the Obamas marriage over and is Jennifer Aniston really to blame? Dan will reveal the sordid details later. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: It was the week that changed everything for Meghan Markle as she officially became a Hollywood pariah after her LA wildfires disaster tourism PR stunt. Angela Levin is here and we’ll unveil brutal new attacks from Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, TMZ and Kelly Osbourne in the biggest Sussex backlash ever. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I'm Dan Wharton.
This is Outspoken Live, episode number 142.
A big Friday edition of the show.
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independent news source. Turn on the notification bell too. Breaking right now, the United Kingdom
as slippery Starmer vows to serve 10 years as Prime Minister and refuses to rule out an early election.
But while he's done that, just look at the revolting pig he made a sir this month.
Failed London Mayor Sadiq Khan denying that he even knows what a grooming gang is.
How many grooming gangs have we got in London? What a misunderstanding. Can she define what she means by that? grooming gang is. Well, we know in London there are issues about exploitation of young people, but they're not as defined by the member in her definition of what those types of gangs are.
And there's more where that came from. I'll show you in my digest next.
The destruction of the British capital is far more indicative, though, of the general decline of the West.
So in this climate, could Andrew Tate really become British Prime Minister? Remember, there did used to be people who laughed
about the concept of Donald Trump becoming US president.
A man who knows Tate all too well joins me live today.
Rob Moore, the top businessman, host of the Disruptors podcast.
Cannot wait to have him.
Also coming up on the show today,
Nigel Farage hits back at Elon Musk's attack on him over Tommy Robinson as Kemi Badenoch flounders in another attempt at a Tory relaunch.
Plus, is the Obamas' marriage over?
And is Jennifer Aniston really to blame?
I'll give you those sordid details later.
Then, in the Uncancelled After Show, this was the week that changed everything for Meghan Markle
as she officially became a Hollywood pariah.
Angela Levin is here with me. We'll unveil the brutal new attacks from Meghan Kelly,
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Failure is rewarded. Corruption is expected. Betrayal of Brits is a daily occurrence. No one sums up that sort of climate of leadership in Britain today than London's failed mayor, Sadiq Khan. Because our leaders shame us on a daily basis,
but none more so than Khan, a pig of a man who stokes division to cling to power, denying simple truths that are resulting in the destruction of what was once the world's biggest city.
The cover-up of the grooming gang scandal, which he refused to even acknowledge exists, is a new low. It damns thousands,
potentially tens of thousands of victims to a total lack of accountability. But how was he
punished? How was Khan punished? Oh, that's right. He received a knighthood this month from the equally disgusting
Slippery Starmer, a tone-deaf, evil shell of a prime minister who today ruled out an early
election and vowed to stay in power for 10 years. Seriously, folks, if we have 10 years of this,
there is no United Kingdom. But I want to speak specifically
about Khan today, because watch him being questioned this week by the former Conservative
London mayoral candidate, Susan Hall, on the issue that Elon Musk quite rightly brought to
the world's attention. I asked you this question last week, and you found every which way but not to answer it.
Just how many grooming gangs have we got in London?
With what I'm misunderstanding, can she define what she means by that?
Yes. If you look at what's gone on in Rotherham, where there are people taking young girls, grooming them for sex.
That is what I'm talking about.
Well, we know in London there are issues about
exploitation of young people, but they're not as defined by the member in her definition of what
those types of gangs are. So are you saying we haven't got the same sort of gangs that are in
Rotherham, Bradford and lots of other places in the country? Just for your misunderstanding,
what does she mean by that? You know full well what I mean by that. It's places in the country. Just for your misunderstanding, what does she mean by that?
You know full well what I mean by that.
It's all over the television.
You know exactly what I mean by that.
These gangs of people that are grooming young girls for sex,
do we actually have those in London?
I'm unclear, Chair, what is meant by the question.
If you could spell it out I can answer
I've just spelt it out
are you not listening
it's the sort of gangs that groom young girls
at a young age for sex
exactly how much clearer do you want me to be
what a pig
Khan is a pig
and I like Susan Hall a lot.
I actually think London would have been saved if she had become mayor.
I would say, however, though, Susan should have just put it to him bluntly.
What I'm talking about is the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.
But the thing is, Khan has been using his Muslim religion
to avoid answering questions on these gangs for years.
Look at this from David Curtin in 2020.
These have obviously been found in many, many other cities and towns around the country.
But there hasn't been much of a, you know, many prosecutions
happened in London. But, you know, obviously, as the police commissioner for Northumberland
said, this is happening anywhere. And the only reason why it's not being found is that
people aren't looking. Are you looking in London for grooming gangs in London in order to prosecute people because if
it's going on in cities like Oxford and Bristol and Peterborough and Aylesbury
smaller places it's surely going on in London as well on a large scale.
Can I just be clear Chair, is the inference that because of my faith or my ethnic origin I'm not
seeking to follow these crimes no I'm asking you
because you're the police and crime commission assembly member Curtin I
think you you're pretty much drifting now on to drifting off the subject
itself so can I just ask you to stick to the to the topic and ask a relevant
question please well well well chair i mean i
was originally asking about black lives matter and then the mayor started talking about slavery
and and the the questioning is developed but you're still going off the tangent now so
can you please be cautious about that and not ask well chair if you want to disallow my question
that's your prerogative well i will I will use that then. Thank you very much.
I'm going to move on now to the questions to the mayor on the priority order.
The first question is number 1754.
That's it. They moved on.
So while it's absolutely spectacular that Musk did bring this issue to the wider world, just know that there have been lots of people like David Curtin attempting to hold those in power to account for years.
Khan is a disgrace, though.
He's actually worse than Trudeau and Ardern.
He's the reason the West
is suffering. But is there help at hand? Anti-woke former SAS man turned TV star Ant Middleton
has been teasing becoming Reform UK's mayoral candidate. After watching that video he posted
on X the corruption and cover-ups seem deeply embedded. It's a good job that I've operated in
rat runs and with NVGs, I think they're night vision goggles by the way, on because once I
take on this colossal task, I know it will get deeper, darker and more dangerous with every
step I take. It is clearly evident what is going on. I am more prepared than anyone.
I am standing by.
I think he'd be great.
For the moment, though, Reformer attempting to call out the lawless capital
while Khan continues to play schoolboy politics.
Watch.
The year's only just begun,
and already we've seen at least nine major stabbing incidents on our streets.
On the 1st of January, 25-year year old man stabbed on Oxford Street. 5th of
January, double stabbing on Kilburn High Road. 6th of January, 18 year old man
stabbed on Prince Imperial Road. 7th of January, we know the tragic murder of
Kellyanne Bacasa stabbed in broad daylight on a bus. Also 7th of January
reports of stabbing in Mile End. 11th of January, stabbing and two shootings in Homerton.
13th January, father of two, Gregory Castillo-Volquez, stabbed to death in Haringey.
And on the 14th January, stabbing outside City and Islington College and also on Ilford High Road.
My team has been working on a budget amendment where we would like to fund almost 1,000 police officers to deliver a targeted knife crime task force.
And the way we'd do this is reduce the cost of your staff budget back to 2016 levels.
That would give us the funding to do this.
Now, obviously, I can't table that as a Budget Member on my own.
I need support from other groups.
Would you encourage members of other groups, perhaps your own group in the Labour Party,
perhaps the Conservatives, perhaps anybody, to second that amendment
so that it can be discussed and debated in
full next week at the Budget meeting.
As a rule of thumb, I never encourage anyone to work with reform.
That's a clear no.
This is a really important issue, Mr Mayor.
The figures quoted in the Police and Crime Plan show that 70% of Londoners rank tackling
knife and gun crime as one of their top priorities for London.
You talked about cross-party working.
I think it's a question of priorities.
You've shown what your priority is.
I'm showing what my priority is.
I really, really hope that members present, other members present,
perhaps will have a more constructive conversation with me.
Thank you.
He doesn't give a damn. Khan doesn't give a damn about your son, your daughter, your husband, your wife being stabbed in the street. He doesn't
give a damn because he just plays politics. That video proves it. Today's guest, Rob Moore,
the businessman and host of the Brilliant Disruptors podcast perfectly summed up the decline of London this week, writing,
Having lived near London my whole life, I'm shocked and saddened how it has fallen.
I was in Costa and a homeless person came in and literally scooped all the sandwiches and nicked them in front of everyone.
I asked the server what they were going to do about it,
and they said we are told to do nothing. If we all do nothing, we will lose our capital city.
15,000 stabbings, knife incidents, and 52,000 phones stolen last year in London.
Conviction rate for theft at 3%, which basically makes theft legal. Yet we're paying some of the
highest taxes in the UK we've ever paid. Let me bring in Rob now for today's uncancelled interview.
Rob Moore, so brilliant to have you. I was really struck by your post on X regarding London because it is completely true.
And then you see Khan being questioned there, firstly, not even being prepared to acknowledge that grooming gangs even exist.
Just plain dumb, as if he thinks that that sort of crime is not going on in London,
which I can tell you it is.
But when it comes to the stabbings and the knife crimes and working with Reform UK,
he just says, no, not interested.
I don't even know where to start.
At first, I felt angry watching that,
and then I just felt deeply sad.
And like you said, what if that's your son?
And I have so many friends who have been mugged in London,
and I just came back from Dubai, where there's no litter,
there's not one homeless person,
you can't even see a policeman or woman,
you don't even need to see them,
and you're told you can leave your expensive watch,
your laptop anywhere, you could leave it for two days
and come back and it's there.
Your children can run and play and they are safe.
And I think a lot of the world, look at what Elon Musk is doing,
a lot of the world, look at what Elon Musk is doing. A lot of the world are looking at London,
which everyone acknowledges was the greatest nation for so many things,
you know, almost a nation in its own right.
And every part of it is falling.
And I'm really sad, Dan.
I'm really sad.
I am.
For very good reason.
What do you think about Ant Middleton? Could he be the man
to actually take on Khan? This isn't confirmed. But remember, he spoke at the Reform UK conference.
He was given one of the headline slots. So that is a clear suggestion that Farage is seriously looking at him.
On X, he's not hiding his ambitions to do the job.
And I do wonder if he's the sort of celebrity who could cut through
and finally become the first person since Boris Johnson, actually, to beat him.
Well, if you think about it, what kind of person might you want to lead a city
which is rife with crime? Someone ex-military. Look, the game changed when Donald Trump came
in for his first term because our disbelief at anyone other than a politician being able to lead
a nation were suspended.
And isn't it ironic, Dan, that now we've got all these strong males coming out, like Ant Middleton and like Andrew Tate,
whether you like them or not, which is a reaction
to having no strong masculine leadership in our state
or our nation for decades so look i personally know ant
um i i don't know of his political credentials we mustn't forget that you know you need some
level of knowledge in politics maybe but um he's a strong male with a military background and we
need we do not have safety anymore in this country. And my children and your children,
they're not safe. And that is the foundation and the fundamental of being able to live.
So look, I'm a supporter of reform. I probably would take Anne Middleton very seriously.
Yeah, I would too. The thing is, Rob, I don't think we need people in politics anymore, being totally honest with you.
I think the issue with people in politics is they are part of the establishment.
And the only way that the British deep state, and I know this is something that you speak about regularly on your show, will be defeated if there are true outsiders who are prepared to do that job. So personally, I think
we need a Trump. We need a British version of Trump. Now, maybe it's Farage. Maybe it's Andrew
Tate. We'll talk about him later. Maybe it's Ant Middleton. But I don't want professional
politicians anymore. I think professional politicians on the whole are corrupted.
Yeah. So I've been an entrepreneur for 20 years. And if we take the basics of our nation,
it's the economy because the NHS can't work without money and being run well. The police
can't work without money and being run well. And politicians, most of them, aren't entrepreneurs.
No one in senior positions in Labour has even run a business,
and an economy is a business.
So we've got no one who's ever run a business
in this, like, clown show of trying to run our nation's business.
So I agree with you that the current system needs disrupting.
And, of course, we've had this two-party system this first past the post system forever, which, you know, the deep
state likes to cling on to because it's anti-competition. You have anti-competition laws
in business, which means if companies get too big and too controlled, they can be broken up.
There should be an anti-competition laws in
politics. In America, you can run for being a president and not necessarily be blocked. And I
think we need more disruption in politics in the UK. I think I agree with you, Dan. I still feel
like maybe some political experience could be useful, you know, knowing how the political system really works properly,
knowing how to, you know, get new legislation through.
Would Andrew Tate or Ant Middleton know how to do that?
But why can't we have a board of all the best UK entrepreneurs?
We've exiled them all.
You know, none of them live here anymore.
They've all been exiled.
Why don't we bring them all back, get them to pay a bit of tax,
have this board of all these best entrepreneurs in the world, in the UK,
and start by fixing the economy?
Great idea. Great idea, Rob.
I hope they're listening to you.
But if it's Starmer, I highly doubt he will do that.
Political revolution is coming, however. Breaking right now, a bombshell new poll
shows the country is only heading in one direction when it comes to which party they want to vote
for. Let's look at these results from Find Out Now, which show reform edging ever closer to being
in the lead outright in a national poll for the first time. I predict it's going to happen in the
next month because it is so close here. In fact, they are tied for the top with the Conservatives party on 25% of the vote, Labour on 24%.
But of course, the question really surrounding Reform UK at the moment is around Nigel Farage's
leadership, and whether Elon Musk is right with his call for Farage to be replaced. And I do note, and I think it's very significant,
that at the moment, Musk is amplifying on the ex-platform Rupert Lowe, who many believe to
be the heir apparent to Farage. He is the Reform UK MP constantly and consistently. So there are reasons that Farage could be worried. And he was
asked in a new podcast overnight about Musk's defection for the first time. And I would say
this is a difficult moment for Nigel Farage, but you watch and be the judge. Elon Musk said that
you are not the right person to run reform. What
do you answer? You know, he's obviously a hero figure when it comes to free speech and when it
comes to just dreaming dreams that I don't think any of the rest of us are even capable of. I mean,
you see when that rocket came down and the arms came, I mean, it's unbelievable. He's been very
supportive of me and reform until a couple of weeks ago. It was an argument over a particular individual
who portrays himself as a champion of free speech.
He's currently in prison for contempt of court for the third time.
Musk thinks he's a hero. I don't.
Musk is a political radical.
He genuinely is quite a big political radical.
What do you mean by radical, political radical?
Oh, I mean, he's out-Trumping Trump.
I think he is, you know.
And he thinks the Western world is going to hell.
And he's right. That's exactly how I feel about it.
So, look, he made the comment he made, but I can't help it.
If I have a certain set of principles, I just don't change them for anybody.
Not even Elon Musk. Rob Moore from the Disruptors podcast posted on this saying,
sorry, Elon Musk, but you've got this one wrong.
Nigel Farage is the best person to lead Reform UK and help recover the mess that the UK is in.
And you thought it too a few days ago. Rob joins me now. So Rob, what do you make
of Musk turning on Farage? And you know Farage very well. He is a regular guest on your show.
Do you think he's a little bit rattled? Because of reform uk is democratizing once that happens presumably
there would be a mechanism for a reform uk mp like rupert lowe to potentially at some point
spark a leadership contest or or if that doesn't happen maybe the members will be able to do it we
don't know the rules yet but the point is the party has promised to democratise.
I back what I said on Twitter. I think Nigel Farage is far and away the best leader for reform.
I like Rupert Lowe. I like a lot of the MPs of reform. They talk sense. They're not afraid to speak out. They're much better on media and PR than the
likes of Conservative Party and Labour. Just a really random aside, Dan, on Keir Starmer's
Twitter, he spelt government wrong. What? Like, Nigel's really popular he's got good tone you know he went on I'm a celebrity the young
people like him and look how he responded to Elon Musk criticizing him he didn't like get into an
argument with Elon he was fun he was playful he stood by his values around Tommy Robinson I thought
he handled it really well I'm actually skeptical if Elon Musk has turned on Nigel.
I see Elon Musk tweeting dozens of times a day.
I think Elon's brilliant at marketing and PR.
And I actually I'm just going to say this because, Dan, you're a good predictor.
You predicted Farage will be a future prime minister.
And I'm going to predict that Elon Musk will go back and support Nigel Farage will be a future prime minister. And I'm going to predict that Elon Musk will go
back and support Nigel Farage. Yeah, I do think it actually. I do. I said it in June. I said it
before the election. And I said it on your podcast too. But it is interesting, Rob, because I am meeting more and more folk who watch this show,
who listen to your podcast, who are aligned with the way that we think. In fact, I met a guy last
night who was saying to me, what's going on with Farage Dan? Why is he soft in his position? Why
is he taking more establishment positions? Have you noticed that change in Farage? Sort of the closer that he gets to power,
the more possible this becomes, the softer his policies are. I hope not. And I guess the
thing that started this recently was Tommy Robinson.
And, you know, Tommy Robinson, he was in contempt of court and he'd been warned not to pervert the course of justice.
So technically, you could say he's a criminal.
And I think that's Nigel's position.
You know, if you look back, he's a criminal. And I think that's Nigel's position. You know, if you look back, he's a criminal.
Now, by the same token, do I think his sentence is fair?
And do I think when there's these gang rapes being covered up
and real criminals knifing on the street and getting away with it,
and then there's people who post on social media
or people like Tom and Robinson actually going to prison, Do I think that is fair or right? No. So does that make you
wonder if there's a lot of politics going on? Yes. I can understand why Nigel took his position.
And I think he would have been lambasted either way. Elon Musk is the biggest champion of free speech that there is. And
therefore, clearly, he's going to side with Tommy Robinson. And I don't think he knows as much about
Tommy Robinson's past. And I think he just retweets and tweets and retweets and tweets.
And let's be honest, Elon Musk probably got a busier day than we've got in a month.
Has he done all the research on Tommy Robinson and his background and his history? And it's kind of dangerous for Nigel Farage to back, you know, basically someone who has broken the law many times.
So I have some sympathy. I hope Nigel Farage doesn't soften, you know, and I hope he keeps his backbone.
The thing is, if you take that position, though, I think that's risky for Nigel. For example, James McMurdoch, one of his own MPs, was convicted for beating up his girlfriend.
Now, I have been the person saying the mainstream media should not even talk about this James
McMurdoch story.
He's out of jail.
He's completely turned his life around.
Now, when it comes to Robinson he is in jail Tommy is in
jail at the moment for a piece of journalism that's why Americans will never understand it
because they have the first amendment which protects Americans from uh from from going to
jail for legitimate journalism which I think this piece, doesn't mean it's necessarily true, doesn't mean everyone has to believe it. But that is such a fundamental point of freedom in the United States.
But Rob, just before I get you to respond to that, Nigel's on the circuit at the moment. Another
European interview has just been released. And this won't please a lot of my audience because I would argue that he's actually
upping the ante, upping the rhetoric against Tommy Robinson. Now, remember, when I saw Tommy
Robinson in prison last month, all he asked, he doesn't want to be a member of Reform UK. I'll
stress that again. He doesn't want to join the party. He doesn't want to lead a political movement.
He's just saying to Farage, stop attacking me.
Stop attacking me so we can unite the right.
But Rob, let's watch this and I'll get your reaction off the back.
Talking to Donald Trump directly about Tommy Robinson.
I mean, obviously, Elon Musk is a big fan of Tommy Robinson.
Tommy Robinson is someone with a criminal record.
His supporters have associations with street violence.
He's sort of rooted in the EDL and the British National Party.
You obviously have differences with Tommy Robinson.
No, no, no, I'm sorry, I won't have that.
Fundamental differences.
Tommy Robinson has nothing to do with me,
has never been anything to do with me,
and never will be anything to do with me, has never been anything to do with me, and never will be anything to do with me.
My brand of politics is non-sectarian, non-racist, it always has been, and it always will be.
And Mr. Robinson can deal with the hell he likes, but he'll never have anything to do with my party.
I want to be absolutely clear about that.
Have you spoken to Donald Trump's team directly about that?
I think Donald Trump's team have got bigger things to worry about than Tommy Robinson.
There is an element of the conservative right in America
that view Robinson as a hero figure, right?
Because they see him as the man that fought the grooming gangs, all right?
And, by the way, a topic that does need more debate
and does need more sorting out.
What they don't see is all the rest of it, And they don't know the full story, in my opinion.
Rob Moore, your reaction.
Oh, well, clearly, like you said earlier, Dan, the laws are different here in the UK to the US.
And if you look technically at the law,
it looks like Tommy Robinson has broken the law.
Contempt of court perverting the course of justice,
reporting on a case ongoing which can affect the case.
And clearly in America, those laws are very different and free speech is more important.
And Elon Musk is, he is the hero of free speech and they're making Tommy Robinson the hero.
But they don't know the technical differences of the law.
I don't have anything different to say, Dan. I can understand why Nigel is taking his position.
Tommy Robinson is, you know, quite extreme in his views.
And I think he wants to keep himself clean.
I would just argue that he's not any more extreme than Donald Trump,
Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Farage loves all of those people.
In fact, he's no more extreme than
Douglas Murray or Christopher Hitchens. I would argue the difference is he's a working class guy
who annoys a lot of people for that reason. But I guess Nigel is trying to play, and this is maybe
the point you're making, he's trying to play within the system, isn't he? He's trying to play, and this is maybe the point you're making, he's trying to play within the system,
isn't he? He's trying to play by the existing rules. And it's working for him at the moment.
You cannot deny it's working for him. And it was really interesting to see Carl Benjamin
of the Lotus Eaters podcast this week say, look, those of us on the right may not think Nigel
Farage is the perfect leader, but what he's doing is smashing the two-party system,
the uni party, which is no longer fit for purpose. And actually, maybe that's all we need from him.
So there are these sort of different debates going on. And I know for you,
you are so sick and fed up of the uni party, right? And presumably you see Nigel as a beacon of hope.
Yeah, I do.
I don't want to see anyone right of centre infighting.
Because ultimately...
I agree with that.
Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Elon Musk, entrepreneurs like myself,
you know, great supporters of free speech like you, Dan. I think we all agree that this what now feels like further and further left socialism is terrible for the economy, terrible for the country, terrible for all our public services, you know, full of lies and corruption and covering itself up.
And the only way that gets disrupted is by a party like reform.
And, you know, I know Andrew Tate and I know him well, but the reason I would support reform over Andrew Tate is because reform have a back wind.
And, you know, there's some momentum now, finally.
And, you know, you look at the MPs that I see, the people who are in reform, like Rupert Lowe and like Richard Tice,
they just talk really good common sense stuff.
And, you know, why would Labour,
when all the rape gang issues were coming out,
they weren't talking about it.
They were covering up and hiding it.
And then in the end, they've put this little 10 million for it.
That's not enough for one family
victim of all these people who've got raped so we need to i say we but look anyone it's just
slightly said to arrive center we need to stick together not have infighting and that's why i want
elon and nigel to kiss and make up and i think they will, it may well happen at the inauguration on Monday. And a little programming note, we are live for the inauguration of Donald Trump on Outspoken on
Monday. Don't watch this big moment on the mainstream media because you know they're all
going to be hating on MAGA Republicans. Watch it here with us. That's my little message for you.
Did want to show you though, Rob, this attempted comeback by Kemi Badenoch. I mean, I didn't support
Kemi Badenoch to become Tory leader. I supported Robert Jenrick because actually I think Robert
Jenrick would have shifted the Overton window within the Conservative Party, would have pushed
Reform UK to the right. That hasn't happened. And Kemi Badenoch was
questioned on this by the political editor of GB News, Christopher Hope. Watch.
Have you allowed Nigel Farage to make all the running, become the voice of the right,
as he seems to be at the moment? And can you answer yes or no? Will the Troyes and Reform UK
merge to beat Labour before the next election? Thank you, Chris, for your wonderful question.
So first of all, I will start by saying that Nigel Farage says he wants to destroy the yn y Llywodraeth cyn i'r Elywodraeth nesaf? Diolch, Chris, am eich cwestiwn gwych.
Felly, yn gyntaf, byddaf yn dechrau gan ddweud bod Nigel Farage yn dweud ei fod eisiau hwyrhau'r Partei Gynhyrchol.
Pam fyddwn ni'n cyd-drech gyda hynny?
Ond ar bwynt nad oes polisïau, rwyf wedi'i ddweud i chi, Chris,
bod polisïau heb blynedd yn cyhoeddus.
Beth mae'r Pwysigrwydd wedi ei wneud, a beth mae'r Rheoliad yn ei wneud, yw gwneud cyhoeddus.
Roedden ni hefyd yn gwneud hynny, ac nid oedd pobl yn hoffi'r peth.
Sut daeth Net Zero?
Dyna'r polisi.
O ble oedd y plân?
Felly, yr hyn rwy'n ei ddweud yw nad ydym yn mynd i ddechrau gwneud cynnigau heb blynedd.
Rydyn ni'n cael polisiau.
Rydyn ni eisiau cyllid llai.
Rydw i wedi dweud ein bod yn mynd i'w ail-dreoli rhai o'r pethau gwagorol mae'r Pwysigrwydd yn eu gwneud, fel cyllid ffermau teulu, er enghraifft. Rydyn ni'n cael swydïau. Rydyn ni eisiau lluogu'r targed. Rydw i wedi dweud ein bod yn mynd i'w ail-dreiddiadu rhai o'r pethau ddifrifol y mae'r Gweithred yn eu gwneud, fel targed ffermau teulu, er enghraifft. Rydyn ni'n cael posiziynau ar yr holl bethau hyn. Rydyn ni eisiau llygaid llawer fwy. Rydyn ni eisiau sicrhau ein bod yn lluogu'r imigrwng yn unigol. Dyna'r polisïau. Mae'r cynlluniau yn mynd i gymryd amser. Ac mae hynny'n golygu ein bod yn mynd i ffwrdd, meddwl amdano, a datblygu'r rhain gyda'r arbenigedd o bobl o'r wlad, nid yn unig yn mynd ar TV a dweud beth fyddwn ni eisiau ei wneud. Nid yw hynny'n seriol. and developing them with the expertise of people around the country, not just going on TV and saying what we would like to do.
That is not serious.
I'm sorry, Rob, it's just not good enough, is it?
She's not serious.
She's never going to be prime minister.
She needs to go.
Yeah, I mean, that was really weak and vague.
I don't see any proper Conservative values.
She's even thrown her own party under the bus, which she has to,
because for 14 years the Conservatives lost their brand and values completely.
Like, to be honest, with how high tax is,
most of the damage of that was done by Conservatives.
Labour have just put the cherry on top. And actually, her social media, I mean,
she basically promoted reform on her own social media
and was probably more instrumental than reform
in reform overtaking Conservatives in their popularity.
So she doesn't get it, I don't think.
No, I don't know what her clear policies are.
She says policies and plans are ideologies.
I don't know what her policies are.
I don't think Conservatives have a brand anymore.
And, yeah, there's no strength there.
Kimmy Badenoch, you haven't cut it.
You haven't cut it.
I think Conservative MPs just need to accept this isn't
going to work and get rid. But I think there will be a painful year before that happens.
Breaking right now, could Andrew Tate really become the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
after the launch of his bruv party? Well, in just one
moment, I'm going to ask Rob Moore, host of the Disruptors podcast, and a long time, I don't know
if you'd call him friend, but certainly confidant of Andrew Tate, will weigh in. But first, let's
have a look at some of the rhetoric that would make the mainstream media blush. and perhaps you'll die first. Or you can die 10 minutes later when they finally get through the castle walls and find you quivering in a corner like a little baby. But either way, you're going
to die. So I think the best thing you can do is try your best to resist enslavement. Try your best
to fight. Even if it makes your life a little bit harder, even if you do die first, at least you get
to die like a man with honor. So I was never afraid of them. I'm not afraid of jail. I'm not
afraid of what they do to me. I'm not afraid of any of it because I know that I'll go down swinging. What I would be afraid of
is shutting up, hiding in my room, trying not to get into anything controversial,
allowing these demons to win and then getting an extra few years of life doing nothing
consequential before I'm eventually eradicated anyway.
And Rob Moore posted on X about this. Everyone going wild about Andrew Tate running for UK Prime Minister.
How? Why? Has the world gone mad?
The answer is simple. Why? Labour, Conservatives.
The UK is so ruined that these are the reactions that happen in response to a systematic destruction of the UK by the two main parties. Rob Moore, you've got to know Andrew
Tate very well over the past few years. So I guess the first and most important question is,
is he serious? Is this a joke? Is this a publicity stunt? Or does he genuinely believe that there is a chance that he could be the Donald Trump,
the great disruptor, a word you know a lot about, of British politics?
Dan, I think we need to wait until midnight on April the 1st to April the 2nd to see if this is
really truly a thing. Because anyone who's been involved in politics knows
setting up a party is really hard.
You can't just say, hey, I'm running for prime minister.
I have actually done April Fool's jokes on this.
I have thousands of people, Dan, who say in my comments
that I should run for prime minister.
Well, he doesn't have any political experience. And, you know, to
get proper policies through, that's important. Setting up a party is really hard and difficult.
I mean, reform have been very, very disruptive. I mean, if you think about the Conservatives and
Labour are hundreds of years old, and reform are barely decades of years old. And that's something that is just so disruptive and
not normal. So to think that Andrew Tate will be prime minister, you know, in the next term,
I think there's a really low percentage chance of that. And is he serious? I don't know. I do.
What I do know about Andrew is he's belligerent um he he will not quit he's like an excel bully
with a very big bone like your leg and he will not let go and that's you know we need a bit more
of that in the world I mean it'd be great if we had um politicians who really had clear policies
and they really believed in them and they couldn't be swayed or bought. So we lack that, and he has that quality.
But, you know, a party being called BRUV, I mean, even, you know,
what is it, Britain Restoring Underlying Values?
I mean, I like Britain Restoring Underlying Values,
but BRUV, I'm not sure that that's really serious.
But underestimate Andrew Tate at your peril.
Well, indeed, because what's interesting, Rob,
is he's not just talking about culture war issues.
I can actually show you now a couple of his policies,
his policy positions.
So let's start with his view on the knife crime epidemic, that he says the Prophet Party will have zero tolerance, maximum deterrence.
And he says it's not cruel.
It's a deterrence to save lives and he would do that by introducing BBC punishment offenders live streamed and
solitary no second chances just the reality of wasted lives so I guess that's the interesting
way of doing it you'd live stream people in prison uh health he's even got a health policy
prioritizing the NHS health care for Britain's first so he says his policy priorities
would be british taxpayers will be treated first british passport holders will receive top care
non-citizens will only receive emergency care with costs recovered the nhs exists to serve Britain's not to fund health terrorism so there are policies
actually that probably a lot of people watching this will say yep like that not a bad idea
well I certainly think like when you go to Dubai like I went recently you see no crime because you
know and everyone says the same thing.
You know, why is it so safe here?
Well, try and commit a crime and see what happens.
That's what everyone says.
You're not going to like what happens.
And if the conviction rate of knife crime and rape in the UK is around 3%,
like it looks like the data suggests,
then it's basically legal to commit crimes.
So how do you come like Dubai and eradicate
crime almost completely is you make the punishment far more extreme. And there is no real punishment
in the UK. So Andrew Tate, as you know, has this strong masculine backbone. He's trying to create
shame for crime to stop it. And I think there needs to be more strict punishment
and a much higher conviction for crime.
So I think that I overall think that what he's trying to do,
I would support.
Then in terms of health, well, I suppose, you know,
people who feel like Britain has lost its values
and, you know, losing Christianity and become maybe
too cosmopolitan, they're going to support these views. The people who criticise him are going to
call him a racist. But you have to prioritise. The NHS can't help everyone. And, you know,
the NHS is broken. I mean, I even say the nhs needs a full reform
um it's i think it's our second highest tax expense and it's broken um
andrew tate isn't he's a nationalist and you know a lot of people are going to think that
that policy is racist i think okay let's go through some more of his specific policy.
Well, not so much policy positions, but his political positions, starting off with one that I've been really passionate about this week.
So Andrew Tate posted on X, the disgraced Labour councillor.
He's not a councillor. He was actually a government minister, which is far more shocking.
Ivor Kaplan, who attempted to meet a 15-year-old boy for sex, is still posting about young boys on his Twitter account.
England is run by paedophiles. On my show yesterday, Blair, was actually caught
in this Facebook sting. I'll get you to react to the back, but let's just have a little look at
what happened. You told this child that you was going to go and meet him. It wasn't because
Stephen will be at work. At one o''clock you said that you was going to go
and meet him at quarter quarter two if we could i i don't know trying to get such a yeah you see
i don't know but wait but here's the slippery thing you said you had no intention but now you
can see that actually oh actually yeah i might have been planning to take this child to meet
stephen so you would admit that that's what you were trying to do. I don't know his age. You know his age actively. This child, this child regularly.
If I knew his actual age, I wouldn't do anything. This child regularly told you that they were at
school and they were doing school related activities. And the thing is, everyone has just moved on from this.
Just imagine if a former Conservative Party minister had been caught and streamed live by this type of sting on Facebook.
But it's like with the establishment, with the mainstream media, it's like nothing to see here, folks. Let's just move on. So I would argue on this subject, Andrew Tate is right.
Yeah, what I like about what's happening on X and what Elon Musk has done taking Twitter over
is more individuals can now hold people to account. So, you know, Mark Zuckerberg recently came out
and admitted that they were censoring
and it was kind of forced by the Biden administration
and now he's going to get rid of all the fact-checking
and they're not going to censor anymore.
So someone like Andrew Tate with 10-odd million followers on X
and someone like Elon Musk with 210 million followers on X
can expose people that governments aren't
and governments are covering up.
And I think that's fantastic.
And I admire people like Elon Musk and Andrew Tate for their,
I would call it bravery, they wouldn't.
You know, they would just call it speaking facts.
And now we can all hold our governments to account
like we should be able to with a democracy, but we can't.
And it's looking really bad for Labour.
And not just Labour, Conservatives before them
are on all the cover-up of, you know, all these paedophiles
proliferating within politics and media.
It looks really bad, really bad.
And hallelujah for people who are outspoken,
who hold them to account,
because the governments don't seem to be.
Well, we love outspoken disruptors, don't we, Rob, putting together the names of both of our shows.
I think one of the big problems Andrew Tate's going to have, though, is the fact that he is Muslim and he's taken a very anti-Israel approach.
But he has directly addressed this. So let me outline what he's said first.
The UK will not be a tool for Islamists or Zionists. Both will be rejected. Both interest
groups aim to extract value from the nation to use as a pawn on their board. We are restoring Great Britain to what she
once was, a Christian nation with a proud people. And any Muslim who lives within her must respect
that, much like Christians must respect that Dubai is Islamic. It is very easy for religions
to coexist with a strong culture and rule of law, and we are restoring British culture.
It will feel like England in 1995 again, and anyone who has a problem with that can get out.
So I would argue that is his attempt to try and deal with that question, but do you think Brits will accept that,
especially given his very, very inflammatory anti-Israel, anti-Jew,
let's be totally honest about this, positioning since October 7th?
Well, I think young men will accept it because so many young men are influenced by Andrew Tate.
I think strong Christians and, you know,
people who have history and pride in what Britain was,
I think they'll accept it too.
We're obviously a multicultural nation
and London forever has been the place that Dubai is becoming, which would embrace many cultures.
And you could be an immigrant and come here and make something of your life.
And I think that's a really good thing. I hate all this division.
I actually agree with most of what Andrew wrote there about we, you know, we can have different religious beliefs and coexist.
But we must respect the culture of the nation we're in.
I agree with that.
What's he like as a human being, Rob?
You've spent time with him.
I've interviewed him before,
but you've really got to know him over the years.
Well, he's certainly polite and respectful
and always 20 minutes early and attentive and outspoken, though he doesn't like to waste words.
I know he's done a lot for charities and he gives a lot of people, raises a lot of money.
He's one of the best marketers in the world.
I think he's a lot of money. He's one of the best marketers in the world. I think he's a very
smart businessman. He's probably one of the biggest cultural phenomenons of our time. And
all the things he's been accused of, I have not personally seen.
So the allegations against him, he says, are a complete setup. He's going to be cleared. He's threatening to sue all sorts of folk.
You believe him?
I think that anyone who is accused of a crime should have a fair trial.
Obviously, when something is global news, how can you have a fair trial?
I think more of his trial was by social media.
And until he is proven guilty, I will not call him guilty.
Until Russell Brand is proven guilty, I will not call him guilty.
Dan, I would support you in the same way.
If you were getting accused of something, you would, in my mind,
be innocent until you are proven guilty,
because that's the
point of law and a judicial system. And we should not have trial by social media, because social
media does not understand. Big time. And you know, that's absolutely a fundamental belief of mine.
And I am a supporter of FAIR, which is falsely accused individuals for reform. And what that would
effectively do is stop this position where any person can accuse someone who is famous of
anything and end their career, get them suspended from jobs before there is any investigation,
before there is any proof.
You would only be able to be named as a famous person once you were charged, which still allows lots of space for other so-called victims to come forward. And that's my position on this.
But stand by, Rob Moore, because, wow, big reports out of the US.
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Breaking right now, an extraordinary mystery developing over the state of President Obama and Michelle's marriage.
Now, there has been a huge amount of speculation as to what exactly is going on after Michelle first missed the funeral of the former U.S. President Jimmy Carter.
Some folks said that was because she didn't want to have to sit next to Donald Trump at the event.
But then the announcement that she was also going to be skipping Trump's second inauguration,
something she didn't do, remember, back in 2017. Now insiders are predicting an Obama divorce announcement. And I want to bring you this exclusive reporting from Jessica
Reid Krause, who is the author, very well connected, should point out she is a Trump and
RFK junior ally, but when. If I had to
guess, they will wait until after the inauguration to announce it. Timing, you know, is everything.
And yet the story doesn't end there. For months, I've heard Jennifer Aniston's name tied to Barack.
At first, it seemed ridiculous,
but the rumours have remained steady among New York and LA circles.
Yesterday's DMs, that's someone who is one of her sources who has communicated with her directly,
this is something Jennifer publishes often,
he's with Jennifer Aniston.
My old manager, now a friend, is connected to her in
a circle. At a gathering with Jennifer's friend, the affair came up casually. Jennifer herself
admitted it. They were sitting with a psychic, which makes it sound surreal, but it's definitely
not a secret among her closest friends. Now, Jessica goes on, if this is true, it changes everything.
The Obamas have been a symbol of stability and grace for years. A revelation like this would completely shatter that image. And for someone like Michelle, who spent her life embodying
tradition and loyalty, it must feel like an unbearable betrayal. For now, it's all whispers, but the whispers are getting louder. Now, Rob Moore from
the Disruptors podcast joins me now. Rob, I should point out, Jennifer Aniston was questioned about
this on US TV last year, and she denied it. So make of that what you will. But the divorce rumours have now seeped into the mainstream media.
We saw those Daily Mail headlines now.
And if the reporting on House and Habiters, right, well, this is going to be the most shocking presidential affair since JFK and Marilyn Monroe.
But do you believe it, Rob?
I don't believe the Jennifer Aniston rumours.
I'm an entrepreneur. I'm a businessman. I try not to deal in rumours.
I don't believe that. That's tenuous.
Do I believe that it's really hard to hold a marriage in such a senior position in society? Yes.
Would it shock me if they split after, what, 30-odd years?
Especially as she's been quite brutal to him publicly.
She said, I hated him for 10 years, and, you know,
and then he's elegantly like,
oh, well, you know, life and marriage is hard.
So would it shock me if they split?
No, because most marriages end in divorce.
Most celebrity marriages end in divorce,
but I don't think he's having it away with Jennifer Aniston.
But what would I know? I'm an entrepreneur, Dan.
Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it?
Because so much has emerged about Barack Obama's personal life
over the last couple of years.
You may remember this letter that was published where a young Barack Obama wrote about his androgynous mind and gay sex fantasies. So we
don't know if Michelle was unhappy about that. I guess the interesting thing to me in all of this is why Michelle hasn't attended these two events.
Because if it was just the inauguration, Rob, maybe you would understand that.
She is a Donald Trump hater.
In 2017, arguably she had to be there because her husband was leaving the White House.
Trump was the direct successor. So maybe you could accept that. But it's not attending Jimmy Carter's funeral, which is such an odd one
to me. He is a former Democratic president. Every living president was there with their spouse.
So too, Al Gore, Carvalharis, you know, this is something that isn't done.
You know, unless you're on your deathbed, literally, you turn up to that type of state funeral in the United States of America. And remember,
Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, Michelle Obama, a Democrat. So there was certainly no political
conflict there. Now, the counter argument that some people in America are making is that,
yeah, but she would have had to sit next to Donald Trump, because that's how it works.
The seating is all done in the order that you became
president. So the fact that she wasn't there actually led to those fascinating scenes where
Obama and Trump were having a dialogue, which was captured by Kamala Harris, who turned around and
looked absolutely furious with Obama, like, what are you doing? Speaking to the man who you
described as Hitler just a few weeks ago. But do you get what I'm saying? It's just very odd for her to miss
these two events in quick succession. I guess what we have learned, though, from the situation with
Catherine, the Princess of Wales, is that it can be dangerous to make assumptions about a public
figure's decision not to show up at certain events,
because sometimes there is something else going on.
At this point, though, there's been no suggestion that Michelle is unwell.
Yeah, I think that was a real mistake of hers not to go to Jimmy Carter's funeral,
the oldest living president, I believe.
And whatever personal differences you have,
surely you put them aside for that.
And surely she could have just told Barack to sit next to Donald and she sit the other side.
He sat next to him anyway.
So, yeah, and then the PR that came out,
oh, there was a diary clash.
That's nonsense.
You don't have a diary clash for that
and if you do you change it and you know this is tradition isn't it dan um so um i that was a bad
move and i don't know why but i don't know any more than that and i don't like to create
conjecture on what i i don't understand but she should have been there. Yeah.
Don't know. Sorry. All of the partners there in that picture, but I don't know if she would have been able to swap seats, you see, because that would have created a bigger diplomatic row. But
it's fascinating, isn't it? seeing Obama sitting there completely on his own.
And then, of course, there was this very, very friendly conversation
with Melania not looking engaged,
but Trump certainly happy to speak to Obama.
I love that.
I don't know what they said,
but they're both smirking away there
and they're like, look, respect, respect.
We're both humans.
And I love that.
And actually, Michelle could have done herself
a lot of favours if she'd have been there too.
And look, we all have to swallow our pride sometimes.
We have to do things we don't want to do.
You know, these are in very high positions.
So, yeah, I think it was a,
I don't know what's going on behind it,
but I think that she should have been there.
Rob, it is the inauguration of President Trump,
the second inauguration of President Trump on Monday.
But this is actually going to be a bigger cultural
event than what we saw in 2017. The whole world has changed. It's almost like JFK again.
All of the cool kids now want to be there. You know, you're going to have Elon Musk
sitting next to Mark Zuckerberg, sitting next to Jeff Bezos, Georgia Maloney and Nigel Farage.
Then obviously the new royalty, all of the Trump family, all of their friends.
I just think so much has changed over the past eight years, hasn't it and monday is going to be one of those true culturally cultural significant moments
in our living history and am i right in believing dan that kia starmer didn't get his invite
no invite for slippery starmer awkward
and as a brit it's bad isn't it because as a brit obviously you sort of think bloody hell
you know he's inviting the prime minister of italy but not you know our prime minister that's a bad
thing but the problem is starmer doesn't deserve to be there look at the things he said about Trump in the past. Yes. And like that's almost
like saying, well, Nigel Farage is representing the UK. That's a big political and cultural
statement. But it's also looks terrible on Great Britain, on the UK, looks terrible on us
and just shows what the world thinks of the UK right now.
I think you're absolutely right, Dan.
I think it's a palpable cultural shift.
I know not everyone loves the billionaires,
but you know what?
They need to be regulated properly by the government.
And my views are we should embrace their wealth building
and use them to help us grow the economy
and work with them and not exile them.
And our government could learn a lot from it
because Donald Trump's brilliant
at bringing all the big billionaire entrepreneurs,
like you said, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg.
I am the Donald, right?
We're going to make America great again
and we're going to grow the economy
and it has grown significantly.
And the UK just exiled them all and just taxed us more.
And I'm hoping that with Elon Musk pulling some strings
and having the power and running the Department of Government Efficiency,
DOGE, and clearing out a lot of the wastage in government,
I'm hoping that that's a new model for the West
and Great Britain will be forced to follow suit.
And Elon Musk will be marketing that to the world on X.
So politics is changing, Dan, and I can feel it.
And the UK is in the worst state it's been in my life,
but I'm feeling a bit like maybe it's moving again
and maybe there's some positivity coming.
Please, Lord. Please, Lord.
I just had to end by showing you this photo, Rob, because I just think it's brilliant.
Liz Truss. I describe Liz Truss as the best prime minister we never really had.
I'm friends with Liz, so I'll put that out there.
But I just love this.
Starmer might not be there, but Truss in D.C.
for the inauguration, and she's even wearing a MAGA cap.
So I think, you know, we are represented by some other people there.
Yeah, I think Liz Truss was very unlucky and very hard done by,
and some of her policies were pretty commonsensical
and they were of conservative values.
I interviewed Kwasi on my show.
He admitted they did it a bit too soon, a bit too quick.
But, you know, she had it right, I think.
She did, because look at our absolute dire growth now.
Rob Moore, you know, I always love having you.
I always love coming on the Disruptors
podcast to really recommend that everyone subscribes on YouTube. And of course, you can
watch my former interviews with Rob. You can watch Rob's interviews with Farage, with Katie Hopkins,
with Andrew Tate. He gets all of the big names in conservatism and so much more.
Rob, such a pleasure to have you on Outspoken again.
Thanks again, Dan.
Speak soon.
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