Dan Wootton Outspoken - GB NEWS CIVIL WAR OVER TOMMY ROBINSON EXPLODES AFTER APOLOGY & CHALLENGE TO NIGEL FARAG

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra 4 months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price! BREAKING RIGHT NOW: The GB News civil war over Tommy Robinson has exploded overnight, with a humiliating public apology from the broadcaster after this false claim was made on air. But now Britain's political prisoner has had enough, directly challenging both GB News and its star presenter, the Reform UK leader Nigel Farage. Dan will reveal Tommy’s direct challenge to GB News and Nigel in his Digest. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Social commentator Leilani Dowding, and Reform UK supporter and YouTube sensation June Slater. PLUS: Hope Not Hate exposed, as Ben Habib and the Great British PAC finally stand up to the government-funded charity that helped cover up the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. AND: The BBC plunged into crisis over bullying and sex claims made against Breakfast star Naga Munchetty. We’ll reveal the shocking details. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Growing fears for Catherine, the Princess of Wales, after Kensington Palace was plunged into chaos and panic over her last minute decision to pull out of Royal Ascot. So what’s really going on? Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin is here with the inside story. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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should have apologised at the time. I don't have to apologise to me, I apologise to my kids and my wife because you're lying. Oh, and Piers Morgan isn't safe either. Islam, the Quran, terrorism, jihad. We need to talk about this, not talk about me and you. I mean, but now so it's his own channel. I'm happy to have the Clashbiz. It's not Clash you're going to win. It's just not Clash he's going to win. I'll reveal Tommy Robinson's direct challenge to Piers Morgan, Nigel Farage and GB News in my digest next, then my superstar panel weigh in and they're back. Social commentator, Lailani Douding

and Reform UK supporter and YouTube sensation, June Slater. Also coming up on the show today, hope not hate and Owen Jones exposed as Ben Habib and the Great British Pact finally stand up to that government funded charity that helped cover up the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. The BBC plunged into crisis today over bullying and sex claims made against breakfast presenter Naga Muncheti. Is she getting special treatment because she's a woman? We're going to reveal the shocking details. Then in the uncancelled after show

on Substack, this is worrying, growing fears for Catherine, the Princess of Wales after Kensington Palace said to be plunged into chaos and panic over her last minute decision to pull out of Royal Ascot. So what's really going on? Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin here with the inside story. You can sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. We're also gonna be revealing the worst Britain in the world this week. We've taken your Union Jackasses from Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

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But now, let's go! The Civil War behind the scenes at GB News over Tommy Robinson has exploded into the public view today after a bombshell forced apology from one of the broadcasters residence lefties after he was allowed to spread a series of false smears on a show hosted by Patrick Christie's. Now you'll remember Tommy quickly branded the guy a lying twerp and now he has had to make a groveling, full-throttled and actually quite hilarious apology. So let's look at what Andy 12 said. So first he tweeted or posted on X, following a comment made during a recent broadcast, I am issuing the statement below to formally apologize and correct the

record in relation to Tommy Robinson. He copied him in. Then here's the more detailed statement. During a recent television appearance on GB News' Patrick Christie's Late Edition, I made a comment that I now understand was inaccurate and misleading about Tommy Robinson. I recognise that this statement was not a fair or accurate representation of Mr Robinson's publicly stated views, I regret the error and apologise unreservedly for the mischaracterisation. Always the gent, Tommy responded, apology accepted Andy, I don't blame people for the warped view they have about who I am, I blame over a decade of media lies. I actually, he went on, I actually accept this man's apology as this is the view that legacy media and politicians have presented about me for decades, painting a false picture of me to the world.

At the beginning of my activism, they brought me onto their platforms thinking I was an idiot and couldn't back up my opinions and since I demolished them Every time they had me removed from everywhere then Tommy used the moment to publicly challenge Nigel Farage Star presenter at GB News where the Civil War has been raging as I reported earlier in the week to do the right thing and correct his disgusting lies about Tommy while he was locked in solitary at HMP Woodhill. He wrote while in prison on solitary Nigel Farage lied on LBC claiming I had a conviction for violence on women. Disgusting. Andy 12s apologized today for lies about me on GB News. Are you man enough

to correct your lie and apologise? Hashtag truth matters. So before we get into much more of what Tommy Robinson has said about Nigel Fryd, I want to show you what Andy 12ves was allowed to say on air by GB News. about it but then he'd also put something heinous on the back end of it so it's quite easy to dismiss so i think a lot of people on the left did just see nutters like tommy talking about it but what about the heinous on it because i've not really seen anything seen anything that he said that you know was particularly he wants to ban islam which is yeah like i said i haven't seen anything that i disagree with oh no oh come on tomm. Tommy Robinson is objectively a racist man that hates... What do you say? What do you say that's racist? Oh, it's heinous things about all brown people. He calls all brown people perverts. How come he's got so many brown mates?

Oh, yeah, I'm sure. But what? I mean, he works alongside, you know, brown people. I just, I don't understand. I know there's a lot of, you know, there's certainly a lot of... He doxed a 14-year-old brown lad, accused him of heinous things that he hadn't done. That one had to go into witness protection. Like, he's done heinous things, he used to beat up police officers, he's done immigration fraud, you know, he nicked a load of money off his fundraising supporters. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa I was just straying into quite a dicey legal territory here when it comes to Tommy Robinson Oh well about time Patrick Christie's because there are about five or six completely false claims that were made before you stepped in. Congratulations though, Utilio Kurs for at least being prepared to have the debate. But I have to say Patrick Christie's along with Kimilla Tomani is responsible

for a series of false claims made by GB News presenters about Tommy Robinson. ...Tommy Robinson in this loose role as advisor on grooming gangs. A. What advice do you need on grooming gangs? B. Do you want that advice coming from a man like Tommy Robinson? It's not a good look for the party whatsoever. Frankly, it's not a good look for society and I do really think this just demonstrate actually that there is an undercurrent, not this subtle level of racism that's been levelled at UKIP in the past. I think you could argue that this is now much more overt. Elon Musk doesn't quite seem to understand who Tommy Robinson is and what he represents, which is a misunderstanding that is sometimes seen across the pond, you know, Americans and Canadians thinking that Tommy Robinson is some kind of, you know, misunderstood folklore figure when in fact he's a convicted criminal and

white supremacist who hasn't really done much. In fact, he's currently serving a sentence for contempt of court. White supremacist, disgusting from Camilla Tomany. But now there is a huge row within GB News as presenters, including Michelle Joubrey and Ben Leo go on the record to say that Tommy Robinson deserves a public apology over the rape gang scandal, while management and Nigel Farage remain vociferously opposed to uncancelling the UK's political prisoner, fearful of the impact on advertisers and Reform UK, respectively. But Tommy isn't backing down, making this open call to the station. Would be helpful if GB News just allowed me to defend myself against the continued lies

told about me on many of their programs, saying that I am grateful to some of the show's hosts who challenge their lies. And his friend and podcaster Liam Tufts backed him up, adding, they'll have to buckle to their Play It Safe broadcasts soon as too many people want to see you on there. Time to grab nuts, GBNews, and go where others fear to tread. You're the people's channel, remember? Indeed, in the bombshell new episode of Liam's excellent podcast The Dozen, Tommy has spoken publicly and in detail for the first time of the damage caused to him psychologically and reputationally by Nigel Farage who used that incredible Elon Musk moment back in January

which brought his case to the world's attention to try and destroy him. He's gonna know, yeah, the most powerful government in the world is gonna know what's going on. And then they rolled out Nigel Farage. And then I felt sick. As I listened to the comments Farage was making, he's going to get to America and he's going to fill them in on about me. And for some reason, look, I don't want to waste my time getting into loggerheads with Nigel Farage. I've tried, as you saw at the United Kingdom rally, to make a point to Nigel saying, we're not your enemy. In fact, these are your supporters for reform. I don't know why he keeps attacking us. It's like each time, if they could use anyone who might have a bit of a base within the Patriots to discredit me, it would have been Nigel Farage. They rolled him out massively at that time.

And he come out and I don't know whether maybe he bought the bullshit, maybe believes the media, maybe he does, maybe believes all those things. But it was, so then I felt sick. Then I went from high up here to them feeling sick thinking now he's going to ruin it and he's going to make he's going to get to America for the inauguration and he's going to discredit me and attack me. And then I heard then then he must put out the statement about fraud. And remember, you know what's frustrating for me is I don't want any of this. I don't want there to be a division with reform. I don't want that. I want reform to be the voice for the people. I want to run a cultural movement. That's what I want to do. But the thing that Tommy found impossible to ignore was this interview that Nigel Farage

conducted on LBC. Tommy Robinson character, who some see as a hero. And alright, you know, he's talked about grooming gangs and other things, although he blown his own on that is he I mean I was first being condemned in 2012 for daring to talk about and cry I was talking in 2002 Yeah, she was I mean she is the her plus years She's the heroine of all of this as indeed to be fair Andrew Norfolk. He was writing for the times You know and see read on the mail. There were some very brave figures early on But when figures like myself as party leaders dared pop the head over the parapet

We were smashed back down very very quickly So, you know Robinson's talked about this but he has a criminal record a list as long as your arm violence violence against women I mean I could go on Nick and all I'm saying is look mr. Robinson do what the hell you like We are totally separate from that and I never wanted you know this you've known me long enough to know I've never wanted my parties to have anything to do with the BMP or extremism and I never why have they attracted people then mr.

Frey so Tommy Robinson has finally very feist, responded to Nigel in detail, accusing him of holding up a white flag to Islam. And I'd hoped that Nigel Frage, but then when I heard the first statement was that he's not going to, he's not for mass deportations, then I heard he doesn't care about demographic replacement, then I heard Shamina Begum can come home. Then I heard that by 2050, I watched it recently, since I've been out of jail, him saying that by 2050 the Islamic community is so big and so vast in the UK that we need to, we can't isolate Islam in any way. We need to work with them. I think fucking hell Nigel, that's why we need to stop it

mate. That's why we need to stop it. We can't surrender now. You're basically holding up a white flag to Islam. Oh, there's too many of them. Better give up. Better just change our culture, you know, let them do what the fuck they want. No, no, we need to stop it. Yeah, that's why we're in a race against time. So when Nigel Farage put Zia Yousif, and I don't know Zia Yousif, but I very much doubt that a political party is going to be in a position to tackle the Islamisation of this country if its chairman is a follower of that Islamic ideology. I don't think, and maybe I'm being unfair here. And again, I don't want any of this. I just wanted, but Nigel, do you know the bit that really upset me? It was a statement that

was made that I have convictions for violence against women. Now bearing in mind I'm sat in a cell, solitary confinement, and then I have to hear that my children's mothers happen to make a statement because my kids are going to go to school next day and start getting told bullshit from someone like Nigel Farage on TV who's making allegations. But prior to this I'd watched and listened as Nigel, Kenny Badenox said something about reformers membership not being correct or saying, because they had this counter on their website about how many members there were getting. Nigel went mad, mad about her allegation and she must accept what she said was wrong. And then he sits on TV and says, I've got a conviction for

violence against women, which is no truth at all. I just think Jesus. against women, which is no truth at all. I just think Jesus. Tommy also clarified that he didn't ask to join Reform while joining criticism that I have to say I've made that Nigel is wrong to keep playing this MSM game, sitting down all the time with the likes of the British Bashing Corporation, Sly News and even Channel 4. Because he was insinuating that you'd asked to join reform. I've never asked. He's not welcome in reform. I think I didn't ask to join reform. Why are you on the news every day talking about me joining reform? And why are you still acting

like the media matter? Why are you sitting down? When I'm looking at them, I think, we're sitting down with Channel 4 news for it. They hate you. Fuck Channel 4 News. You don't need them anymore. You've got your own show. But you've got enough. You've got enough now alternative journalists and citizen journalists. But here you are attacking the citizen journalists and sitting with the mainstream. You're never going to win them unless you're doing what they want you to, unless you're acting the way they want you to act.

So you're trying to think you can win over everyone and no one's going to hate you. Tommy also reiterated his demand for Nigel to apologize. I wasn't the first, neither was Rupert. There's been a whole long list of them. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how that unfolds and again, I don't want to be disruptive amongst the right and also I hope one day Nigel Farage sees the error of his ways and decides to put right the wrongs he's done because you can't be lying about people. I could easily now come out and go to a lawyer and sue him.

I could easily do that. Because it's a total lie. Everything he said is a total lie. I just think he should apologise. I think he should have apologised at the time. Don't have to apologise to me, apologise to my kids and my wife because you lied. Now I have to credit Liam Tufts for such a fascinating interview. I have to credit Liam Tufts for such a fascinating interview. And he too, knowing what's going on behind the scenes at GB News, has now challenged the broadcaster to reverse its ban in light

of a very obvious shifting of the Overtoun window. He wrote, a lot of journalists and media outlets will be watching my podcast and there's things they'll hear that should be reported on. But they won't. Because they're cowards. I hope after watching this GB News break the cowardice mould and invite Tommy onto their show. They'll learn a lot and see with their own eyes the importance of his work. As a dear friend I've known the media have lied about Tommy for years. He's a threat to the establishment and the media is a weapon for the establishment. But the tide's now turned. These people are wise to the media lies. Who will be brave enough to report on tonight's

interview? We'll see. Well, so far, not GB News. Now the Super superstar panel. And now back, June Slater, Lelani Daldin. So, Lelani, there's a lot to pick up on there. I mean, the first thing is, how shocking was it for you to hear GB News just allow, okay, he's one of their lefty people, but to allow that guy Andy Twelves to just parrot, like lie, provable, lie after lie after lie after lie to the point where Patrick Christie's finally stepped in when he said that he stole money from people. But it's a bit like, come on! Well, having seen the way that the GB News people shout in your ear, you, Mark Stein,

other GB news presenters, the moment you go slightly off the narrative that they want to push, you know, I was really shocked that they didn't jump in immediately, especially how disparaging it is and what utter nonsense it is. And again, what you won't see is a whole barrage of Ofcom complaints because you know what? The lefties won't see is a whole barrage of Ofcom complaints, because you know what? The lefties won't be setting up those calculated, inorganic complaints that end up going to Ofcom about something that's completely wrong on GB News. So there'll be no repercussions for that.

And Tommy, as you said, very graciously accepted his apology when we know there's a lot of people like on the left who would jump straight to the nearest lawyer to go and sue for false allegations and defamation and such. So, you know, it's quite interesting to see, as you said, the Overton Windows shift where now people seem to be able to mention his name now that the tide's turning and now that so

many people I think have watched his documentary and actually doing their own research into Tommy and seeing a lot of the Americans who are freely interviewing Tommy and that great interview with Liam Tufts where he actually gets to put his side across and I think that's been really important for me. I watched his interview before he went into prison with Jordan Peterson, and I learned a lot about him. Now, I've always been a vocal supporter, which is why it's upsetting to me when I saw Nigel Farage come out with those lies about him, the violence

to women. I'd been to Tommy's Unite the Kingdom protest and he never said a bad word about Nigel. He said, as we've discussed before, he never wanted to join reform yet. Nigel kept putting this out, he's not welcome, he's not welcome. You know, just at that point, that was before he actually lied about Tommy, but he

was still speaking badly about him. Why did he even have to do that? Why did he have to go there? Why just say, why don't you just say nothing at all? The way Tommy said nothing at all about Nigel up until now. And he did actually, Tommy Robinson did actually endorse reform UK before the last election. That is a fact. So why do you think GB News continues to have this ban, Lallani? Because remember, they will put on the most extreme hard leftists, the most extreme Islamists because their argument is well we're providing balance. Yeah. But Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, no totally banned. Because I think they're scared with the pylon because of these inorganic um off-com complaints that start happening when

somebody on the left starts putting these mass emails out saying, hey, this is what we've got to do. Let's call in. Let's email in. Let's make complaints about this show at this time with this presenter. And let's all jump on this. And it's a very orchestrated movement when the complaints start going in.

Happened to Mark Stein. Happened to you and Loza. It happened to Neil Oliver. It's not organic and I think that GB News are pandering to this time and time again, which is why actually it's like, you know, the same reason that Piers Morgan now wants him on. Oh now Piers wants him on because he knows it's gonna bring in the viewers and he's not with Talk TV. June, obviously you're an ally of Nigel Farage but isn't this the time for him to accept he got it wrong, the Overton window is shifted, Tommy Robinson was completely right, apologize but maybe not just

apologize June, actually have him on his GB News show, why not? I don't think he will. I don't think he will either. Tommy, I'm not supporting this. I've no doubt get hammered on the thread. I'm explaining why I don't think he will because of prescription. Google it. I don't agree with it. If it was me, I would embrace Tommy to a degree. I think the one thing we have to look at here, the big enemy, whilst it looks like it's Farage, is the media. When Nigel Farage does any public speaking, any flag waving, any, you know, come and vote for reform type stuff, he never brings the topic up. The media bring it up, the hosts of the show bring

it up, because it's juicy and they know they've nobbled him, they know it's something he doesn't want to talk about, they know that there's no cohesion. The media are still pushing this fake narrative about Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson has muslim friends, Tommy Robinson has black friends, Tommy Robinson has lots of people but what Tommy has to do also is accept the fact that Zia Youssef is not someone to worry about. Just like Tommy will be able to vouch for people who happen to be Muslim, who he knows that he would vouch for. So, June, were you offended? Were you offended by Tommy Robinson? Because in this interview, he did say that he doesn't trust Reform UK on Islam. He says Nigel Frasher has waved a white flag and he did point to the fact that he doesn't trust Reform UK because

they do now have, well he's not chairman anymore, but a very senior figure in the party in Zia Youssef. I think he's on the wrong track there if you want my honest opinion. Just because I like Tommy and I support him doesn't mean he's right about everything and that's what people have to also digest. Neither is Nigel Farage. If I was Nigel Farage and I was being interviewed and a journalist started speaking because it will be the journalist that brings it up, I'd just say can we move on because they love to eat into the time they've got with him talking about, because it doesn't give the party time to talk about what they're up to. As far as the Islamic situation is concerned, everybody rolls out that clip with Winston Marshall's show where he said, Yes, we will lose, we will lose. That is a sound bite. People are making massive political decisions on a sound bite. If you want to know what it will

be like going down the Rupert Low route, which is what a lot of people are jockeying for on the right, then expect to live like Northern Ireland for the next 10 years, expect to have cordons in your street, expect to have sporadic attacks, vehicles ploughing into restaurants, knife attacks. If you think you're having a lot now, I said all this 10 years ago with Brexit when we first started seeing Charlie Abdo and people were changing the profile picture and I said one day it'll become so frequent you won't be bothered to change your profile picture, it'll just become news. What will happen the next stage will become violent and horrid just like when they try to get that child out of a home in an ethnic community and take it into care 24 hours of rioting, vehicles torched, buses

turned over, people have to board the windows up. You will create that environment and I wouldn't want to be the politician that creates that environment especially when the politician, whoever he is, will be able to flit off back to the safety and security of a leafy suburb or a country estate or wherever they live. So Tommy is a fighter and a lot of the... Especially working-class people, because we are the ones that's had to tolerate

the vast demographic changes in our society, are right behind Tommy. And what about GB News overall, June? Because, okay, because you're talking about Nigel Farage from a political point of view, right? Because of Reform UK and he's worried about votes and he's worried about the media branding him far right. But what about GB News? They have the most extreme people from the left on that channel all the time. But Katie Hopkins is banned, Carl Benjamin is banned, Tommy is banned. I don't agree with it at all. I think Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson should be able

to go on the People's Channel because they are supported by a large majority of people who watch that channel. Absolutely. I quite often share stuff about Katie. I do odd videos about her. I share a lot of Tommy's work. But getting back to the Faraj rift, when people saying it allowed Shamama Beggin, let's just clarify this. That is a sweeping statement that is completely inaccurate. Nigel's been misquoted there. It was about a topic that Sebastian Gorka brought up. And Nigel, because it was being talked about, Nigel Farage said there should be a discussion on this. He didn't support it.

He was telling you that the government was compromised. He wasn't supporting it. It's been misunderstood. But GB News, that man, that Andy, he's made a shed load of mistakes. And what he said about Tommy Robinson is unforgivable. Nevermind an apology, I think it's unforgivable. I agree.

I try to be rational. People say it as, oh, I've swallowed the reform pill. No, I haven't. Not at all. In 2022, I was telling people not to not to pay any membership to reform because I couldn't see them going anywhere. And now I can see them doing something. And the work is at the opposite end of this. You're looking at the big people, the Rupert Laws, the Bennebibs, the ones that get on the telly. I'm looking at the council level people, the ordinary people, the volunteers, the people that are making a difference now. The only way you're going to break this tyranny up is by

doing it from the bottom to the top. The top is three, four years away and what we need, we need an infrastructure of people that have been ensconced within local government so that all this doge, because that's all Zia is employed for, And what we need, we need an infrastructure of people that have been ensconced within local government so that all this doge, because that's all Zia is employed for now, is to do this doge. Oh, I don't believe that. I don't believe that. He's pulling all those strings behind the scenes.

He's basically chairman other than in title June. He's the power of the guy here. I totally disagree. Totally disagree. If that's the narrative you want to believe because of direct contact you'll have with people who don't like reform, then you believe it. What I see there is I see Z as a safety net. I think his background is a safety net. It's like saying, huh, try and call us racist now. You can't look how they've clamped up they've stopped it there was um i can't remember her name curly blonde hair off channel four um she's completely calmed it down i don't you know if that's what you're going to put out then obviously people will think they've no chance with reform they have to vote for somebody else where they think they

have a chance i'm not here to curry favor for reform. I have my own views on what I would do in an election. And I do think that, again, even now, even though we've got GB news, even though we've got citizen broadcasters, the bulk of this nation absolutely wind me up because they're completely clueless. They don't take any notice of anything.

They're still watching the BBC and ITV and these people that stop. It is changing though. Every single thing with Tommy Robinson of EDL. Why don't we bring up Hugh, what was he called? Hugh Edwards. Exactly. No one talks about the BBC, you know, an organization that basically covered for pedophiles throughout their entire careers. Jimmy Savile, Hugh Edwards being one.

I mean, I completely agree. And also, we won't even get into the EDL discussion today. But the point is that the media is proven to be totally dishonest when it comes to Tommy Robinson. Developing today, Tommy Robinson has said he will go head to head with Piers Morgan on Uncensored, despite thousands of his supporters saying that is a huge mistake after the former Good Morning Britain presenter made it clear during his appearance on that show all he

intends to do is take down the UK's political prisoner. But he was questioned about his decision to go head to head with Piers by Liam Tufts on The Dozen. Watch. Piers Morgan, let's talk about him for a little bit. Comes out, slams you, lies about you, flexes his chest, then goes completely silent. Then you come out, you seem like you're on the up, very popular, and he appears on X and he starts goading you again. Well, he set up his own channel, and he wants the views on his own channel. Look, Piers is a very clever man. So, and do you know what? I'd agree with him on a lot, but the problem with Piers now is, what does he even believe?

Does anyone even know? Does he even know? At least when I talk, people know that's what I believe, that's where I stand, I don't change where I stand. You know, I never have. Piers is pro-Israel, then it's cool to be against Israel. What gets more likes, what gets more clicks? That's what Piers says, basically. So Piers, when I went on his first show, Good Morning Britain, was it? That was the most watched episode of that show ever. Piers knew what he was doing. He knew what he was doing. Very clever. So I'd like to, I am going to, I know he's

trying to give me some time frame. So I've just come out of jail. I'm putting it simply I'm not well from that. We're gonna wrap this up soon. I look forward to talking to Piers Morgan as long as he actually lets me talk. What I've said is, I've had deadlines, I've come out, I've had to get what I've done done. You can see there and this is something that Piers Morgan just doesn't understand, because he's treating Tommy Robinson as some sort of piece of meat, just to get views. Actually, he's still incredibly emotional about the horrendous experience he's just gone through.

He's also picked up on the fact that Piers is almost goading him into going back to jail by trying to talk to him about the details of the film that got him locked up in the first place. Watch. No, because it seems like he wants to talk about the film that had just gone out. Well, I'll go straight to jail, Piers. You know that. I'll go straight to jail. I can't get on there and defend my point on that film because I'll go straight to prison. But I think there's a lot that me and Piers can talk about. And I think that what I don't like to do, which is when I went on there last time, you know, when I went on with Piers Morgan, he seemed to make it about my personal character.

Now I could have attacked Piers' personal character. That's not what the public want to hear at the time. We've got two, three minute, four minute slot on national TV. I went on there to get my points across that the public need listening to. Islam, the Quran, terrorism, jihad. We need to talk about this, not talk about me and you. But now so, it's his own channel. I'm happy to have the Clash beers. It's not Clash you're going to win. It's just not Clash he's going to win. Fighting talk. I love it. And I think he's probably right, actually. He also raised the fact that Piers and Nigel Farage keep on talking about his criminal

record, which he says is hypocritical. It's just even like when Nigel Farage is going on about me being a criminal. I think Nigel, one of your MPs volleyed a woman in the head, his missus, and went to jail for it. You're supporting his best mate, who he's always with, was laundering money for the cartels, went to jail in America. Nigel's best mate, he's always with him. I think I look through the other bloke he was having stand, that has got a massive list of criminal records far worse than mine. So I just don't get it. And Piers Morgan does

the same. Piers, you're obviously not from the same place I'm from, not from the same background I'm from. You're from a privileged lifestyle, as are your children. They've lived a totally privileged lifestyle. But I do think that you've got your, he's got his own large platform. Now a lot of people will mess with me saying don't do it. Don't give him the airtime. It's not about giving him the airtime. It's about giving our cause the airtime. It's about discussing and debating the topics of conversation that we want raised, which is the most important point. That doesn't matter if Piers is going to try and make me look like an idiot in the process.

To the superstar panel, Alani Dowding and June Slater. June, is Tommy Robinson making a big mistake agreeing to go head to head with Piers Morgan on Uncensored? Depends how soon it is. I think he needs some time to heal. Very emotional there wasn't he Jude? Yes he was and all credit to him, I can't believe he's come out punching the way he has already. Not a lot of men could, I mean what he's been through is it's horrid, it should never have happened in our society and to even accept the challenge,

society and to even accept the challenge, even if it's delayed a little while, it should be delayed a bit of, you know, because of humanitarian reasons, giving time to come round. It's different doing a podcast with your friend Liam to go into an adversary and Piers will be an adversary because that is what would make it interesting. And he's got to be careful he doesn't get tripped up because of his bail conditions or whatever positions is in. Because he could get sent back to jail for contempt of court again. Having said that, I think Tom is a very highly intelligent individual. I've watched that Oxford Union speech he did, and I've watched him with Jeremy Paxman when he was a young man.

This man, had he had the opportunities that people like Paxman and Piers Morgan had, would have been flying by now. He would have been revered and probably just as fair because his natures, he's got a good nature on him, do you know what I mean? So he didn't get that in his early years. He was working class. People just muddle through, don't they? And I think he's got more than the capability to take Piers Morgan on. But the timing must be right for Tommy to be.

Back to firing on all four cylinders, he's a while off yet. I really wouldn't like it if it was my son. I would think, oh, no, don't do it now. Wait till you, you know, your resolve is stronger. You know, people coming out of institutionalised environments like that, especially with what he's been through, they need some time to reboot. And you know, it's only, how long has it been out? A few days literally. Yes, and he's away with his kids at the moment and I think he needs that. Now Lelani, just before I come to you, because June has mentioned that interview that Tommy

Robinson, a very famous interview that Tommy Robinson did with Jeremy Paxman, it's been going a little bit viral again this week. And I like reminding people of it because it just proves how corrupted the mainstream media were because pretty much everything Tommy Robinson said in that interview has now been proven in the case report so let's just have a quick watch before we come to you Lelani. One has been murdered by a Muslim gang you probably don't I do you know the 15 year old girls that you know that you've grown up with that have been raped or pimped you don't so I don't expect you to understand the issues.

These are all personal issues of yours? Personal issues in towns and cities like mine that are happening and they're not happening with the Sikh community, they're not happening with the Jewish community. And indeed they're not happening with most Muslims. No, they're happening within the Islamic community. That's what I'm saying, that it's an Islamic problem and when I'm just a simple person, so I'm just a normal person, but when I'm looking at it, I have to look for where this hatred is coming from. Are you seriously suggesting there aren't white drug dealers and there aren't white gangs?

Of course I'm not, no. Or Sikh gangs or any other kind of? No I'm not but I'm saying some of these specific issues are coming from the Islamic community, solely the Islamic community. Terrorists wanting to blow us up, constant hostile activity towards our youth, all these problems and from sitting back there's got to be something it's coming from. You see, none of the other communities are spreading it so we're a symptom of the problem. The English Defence League are a symptom. You're claiming that community is spreading it, actually what we're talking about here.

Members of the community. Yes, exactly as you could talk about members of the white community doing all sorts of atrocious things. Yes, not 24 year old groups of 10 of them hanging around outside school gates. You've never seen a white gang. And purposely targeting. You've never seen a white gang? Are we going to pretend that Muslim groups are not out there purposely targeting our

youth and pimping them? Marvellous. Are we going to pretend it's not happening? You're not pretending white people aren't doing that? Not in the same manner, not in the same group. They're saying it's a cultural thing. And Alani actually that was 2011 2011 so the mainstream media did pretend for 15 years actually. Oh yeah absolutely, absolutely they did so that's why I think

it's going to be very interesting when he goes on Piers Morley's show. So do you think he should do it Lallani firstly? I do think so but as June said a little bit of time I just watched him on Patrick Bet David. I think there him on Patrick, bet David. I think there's a lot of people that he should go on first where he knows that he will be able to speak because who knows what happens with Piers Morgan? Tommy has it absolutely right in that interview. You don't know if he'll just get interrupted

and Piers does his usual thing of just speaking over him like he likes to do. You don't know if Piers Morgan's going to try and goad him into talking about the video, the film that he's not allowed to talk about. But one thing Piers Morgan can't do is say that history has changed or that facts have changed the same way that Piers Morgan has claimed

that science changed over COVID. He can't say facts have changed. He can't say history has changed. He can't use those words again with Tommy. What's the facts are the facts and the history is the history. So he either has to accept what Tommy's saying as correct. But you know, I do think he'll try and trip Tommy up. But Tommy knows his facts. He has everything in line. He's not like that guy that was on GB News that throws out a statement and can't back it up. Oh, but he said racist, heinous things. Well, what racist, heinous things? And then he can't answer it because it's all hearsay.

Yeah, Andy Twelves, who of course had to apologize. Exactly. Because he's worried about Tommy suing him. Exactly. And that's the thing. It's like Tommy knows his facts and can back everything up that he talks about. And you know, this whole thing is I hate to see it when Tommy, when they start talking about Tommy's criminal history, because I watched the Jordan Peterson show with him, where he was allowed to speak. And one of the things he got done on with mortgage fraud was the same way that Trump got done over the Mar-Lago loans, where, you know, maybe the value wasn't

right or it was over a self-cert mortgage. I know so many people, if you're over 45, like I am, you would know people that might have inflated their income slightly on a self-cert mortgage. That's what Tommy had done. And Tommy had paid back every single penny of that mortgage. It was in his brother's name. The mortgage had been paid back and they came after him like they did with Trump's Mar-a-Lago loan. Yes, because he has been subjected to state warfare now for two decades. But what is so shocking about it though, is that much of what said isn't

actually based in any reality. So it doesn't particularly matter if you're Tommy because you're thinking, well, I never abused a woman yet. Nigel Farage is on LBC abuse women. So it's very, very difficult. I mean, June, are you surprised that Piers Morgan is maintaining this very anti Tommy Robinson position, given that America, which is the audience that Piers Morgan cares about most, has completely woken up to the fact that Tommy Robinson is a real hero? Surprised is he wants controversy for his channel. I don't think he's thinking any deeper than that. And obviously, you see, sometimes I think it can come

across as a bit of a bully. And the last thing you want when you're a bit fragile and Tommy, even though he's a strong man, will be a bit fragile after what he's been through. You know, in the hands of Jordan Peterson, it would be a reasonable interview where topics will be discussed rationally. The one thing I'd love to point out with people like Jeremy Paxman and Emily Maitlis, who are still banging on this week about it, these

people are wrong. The left-wing journalist cult, you are a cult are wrong. Now either you can't read or you can't be bothered to research because this has been going on since I was a child. Grooming gang issues that Tommy Robinson, Tommy Robinson was the reason I first knew about it. Tommy Robinson was the reason I did my first ever post in 2017 about grooming gangs. He was the reason. Now other people say, yes, yes, it was Tommy Robinson. And I had to then subsequently take over 500 posts down about Tommy Robinson that I'd

made because Facebook threatened to take down UK politics and COVID. That's how visceral the establishment is with Tommy and Katie Hopkins. It's only since recent times that, well, since Musk has come into the fray with Twitter, that Tommy Robinson and Katie have had proper pages on social media. I think it's horrendous what they've done with these two individuals and Tommy Robinson, like it or not, was vocal and courageous and brave and he was the reason, no one else. After that I learned about what Maggie Oliver was doing and Maggie Oliver's doing some incredible work right now and she's got a hashtag going and the hashtag is they knew, they knew, they bloody well knew, everybody knew, my parents knew, I knew, if my parents who are long dead now knew what was going on, the

councils knew what was going on, everybody knew and it's been covered up and Tommy was one of the shining lights. That's why he's loved. Politicians get supported. Tommy Robinson is loved. I said that to Liam Tufts when I was talking to him last. That's the difference with Tommy Robinson and it will always be like that because the people love what he's tried to do and especially when fat cat presenters who are on big humongous wages who have had university education and are institutionalised in the way they go about things and some of them actually I would say cultural Marxists attack Tommy because he's a threat. Yeah and they think that we're stupid, they think we're stupid and they think that we're not going to remember what they said.

But the great thing is, is that we now have the receipts. So Emily Maitlis and Lewis Goodall and Patrick Christie's, we know what you were saying 10 years ago. So don't try and tell us that you've changed your mind now, unless actually you are prepared to come out and apologize. That's what I think you have to do. I've got loads of stuff wrong in my career, loads of stuff wrong. But the point is, I'll come out, I'll own it. I don't try and shy away from anything that I've ever said or written. But what we see is this sort of changing of the tone as if we're all completely stupid. I do think with Piers Morgan though, the one good thing about the way Piers conducts his debates

is that it is all there. So if he has changed his mind, he's gonna have to do a groveling apology just like he did after all of the COVID madness. Developing right now, Owen Jones, the hard left extremist has just been exposed over the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandals and it is beautiful to watch, absolutely beautiful to watch because this evil, devious little twerp who is actually so extreme, so extreme that no one should take the guy seriously ever again, but for some reason

maintains a major platform at the likes of The Guardian. Oh by the way, despite bullying loads of wooing out of their roles there, yeah this is the type of nice guy we're dealing with. He's like the Meghan Markle of The Guardian. But what's so brilliant is that he is another one. He is another one of these people who was trying to rewrite history when it comes to the biggest scandal in British history. But the great thing is we have the receipts, Owen Jones.

You've been caught. So what I'm gonna show you now is what Owen Jones, you've been caught. So what I'm going to show you now is what Owen Jones has tried to say that he said about the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs, and then what he actually said. Nowhere did I deny that British men of Pakistani origin had raped many white girls in, for example, Wadhrim and Telford. These are horrific scandals which are very much real and it is not racist or untrue to talk about those scandals. About vulnerable white girls being targeted by British Pakistani grooming gangs. Now that is the sort of thing you would have expected to read in BNP leaflets and which not that long

ago would actually have been condemned by Tory and Labour politicians alike, but we are in 2023 in the worst possible timeline. It's not true. It's really important to make this very, very clear. It isn't true. You absolute pillock! You've just been caught! So not only are you completely morally bankrupt, not only are you on the wrong side of history forever, you're also a proven liar. Now Lelani Dowding saw this and posted, always keep receipts from scum like Owen Jones. They will deny saying what they very clearly did. And she joins me on the superstar panel alongside June Slater. Lelani Dowding, I mean, look, we can laugh at this, but it's chilling as well, isn't it?

It's absolutely chilling, the front that someone like Owen Jones will have to literally tell us that he said black was white. This is what I don't understand. It's 2025, we have video and Twitter and social media and all these posts that people have made are out there for us to just pull up. We just need to put in a thing. Let's type in anything and it pulls up the videos or it pulls up people's posts. So don't deny it. If you want to say you're wrong, say you're wrong, hold your hands up, say I apologize, I was really wrong,

it's so heinous, I couldn't believe it, I didn't want to believe it, it's just the most vile thing, I just couldn't imagine it, and I'm really sorry, and I feel bad for the victim, and I, you know, and I'm so sorry that I didn't believe. Say that, but they don't, they'll just turn around and try and make up, they didn't say it, and it's crazy, you can't do that, you cannot don't. They'll just turn around and try and make up they didn't say it and it's crazy. You can't do that. You cannot do that at this time. And so, you know, just, he should have apologized. It just makes him look more like the scum he is. It really does. It just makes him look like the gross vile scum that he is. Because June Sator, there's absolutely no way to spin what he said. I mean, he literally said it wasn't true.

He literally denied the existence of this scandal. Put the whole do in it. Have you not noticed? Apart from Merle, who seems to be sticking to her guns, there was an article in The Independent like drawing our attention to the monstrosities of the, I've got to be careful with the channel, with the gangs. And Owen Jones, I mean come on, he was brought up by cultural Marxists, he is a cultural Marxist, I'm happy to stand corrected if you can find any evidence that shows he isn't. These people live and breathe that before they do anything. They're

activists in journalism, not journalists, not the other way around. That's how I see them. And now they're trying to get out the treacle. You're in, sorry. Come on, nobody's expecting anyone not to make a mistake. And I always own mine. I mean, I apologised last week to Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter because she deserved it. I got something wrong. I left her out of something I was writing. I didn't mean it intentionally. I felt awful about it. I've messaged her privately. She hasn't seen it yet. And only because especially if you didn't intend it. But yeah, the trouble is that term lying. Look, the point is, it's like that's a

great example, June, because we are never going to get everything right. Okay, I've now had a track record in the public. People can go back and look at what I've been writing since 2007, at least on Fleet Street. And of course, there's loads of things I've got wrong. Loads of people that I feel terrible about having got the wrong end of the stick on, or I've changed my mind or whatever but This is not some small fry issue

This is him literally Playing cover-up over the biggest issue or what? Allison Pearson has said on this show is the biggest scandal in British history and he's not the only one He's not the only one because I want to show you this guy called Nick Lolls. Now, you may not have heard of him, but he is a really nefarious force in the United Kingdom because he runs the charity called Hope Not Hate, which is actually a hate filled organisation, which tries to shut down people like me, people like Tommy Robinson, people like Father Kelvin Robinson by claiming that we are somehow far right. Tommy Robinson once actually confronted him face to face, watch. You pay them, you blackmail them. I know you've got the media waiting to run your stories. I know you have. I know you have. Because that's what your job is. Your job is to create the source, create a lie and then the media wait there and pump it. That's

what you do. And I'm exposing you for it in a documentary. No one's going to try... Well this week Nick Lowes posted on X saying, oh I've always wanted, I've always wanted an inquiry into the grooming gangs. He turned off the comment and Tommy pointed out 1.2 million views and only 181 likes. Wow that's the world saying F you. Nick Lolls you facilitated child rape you tried to destroy us not them your children will grow up to understand the traitor you was. And then Charlotte Gill, who we know does a lot of great work in terms of exposing where the money is coming from when it comes to these left wing

organisations posted, well, well, well, Hope Not Hate, whose charitable arm received 140,000 pounds from taxpayers in 2019 to 2020 is also behind the anti-Elon Musk campaign. Tommy replied saying, not hate were the main group used to destroy those exposing Islamic rape gangs. Join the dots. It's the deep state. They despise free speech. On September the 13th in a show of defiance the UK will hold the largest free speech festival Europe has

ever seen. So June Slater hope hope not hate, this is another organisation that has been truly exposed, truly called out for being on the wrong side of history. How despicable is it that they still receive any form of government funding? Well you've just said it, it's despicable. I'm sure, I've read somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong, that George Soros' what is it, Open Democracy Foundation, don't they give them some funding? Well, that's a red flag for me. These think tanks and quangos and organizations that set up and set themselves up

as some sort of puritanical super force that's going to direct traffic. All you need to look at is what the people think. What do the real people of Britain think? Because the rape gang inquiry, it's in every town. There's probably not a town that's been untouched. Blackpool, I mean, God, there was even rumours of a girl ending up in a kebab. Come on. There are girls that have lost their lives, girls that have lost everything, girls that have, you know, 4,000, 4,000 young girls were cautioned for prostitution. How can you do that when they're under, how can you caution a child for prostitution when grown men who

are perpetrating this crime in great numbers across the mill towns of Lancashire and Yorkshire and beyond, how can you do that? How can you even give that credence? This, we don't need an inquiry. What we need is someone to have the balls to turn around and say, right, you've got all the information from the Alexis J. inquiry, get into it. The Alexis J. inquiry cost 184 million, took seven years, grueling testimony from many, many of the survivors and other people involved. It's all documented. Maggie Oliver gave them the ethnic minority background details in 2013, all the information is documented, get out and get some arrests. We don't need to inquire what's wrong. We know what's wrong. Pakistani gang, try and join the gang without knowing a Pakistani. Try and join one, see how far you get. Get out there. Let's get some policing done. Let's get some proper copper in done.

Yes, of course. But what hope not hate are just continuing to do, right, is attack people who are trying to deal with the problem. That is their whole thing. It's about cancellation. And Alani, the latest people who are going for, and I'll read you the letter in just one moment, the latest people that are going for, the incredible great British pack, you know, which has Ben Habib as a chairman, our friend who's like the biggest patriot on earth, you know, no one could love the United Kingdom more than her. And, and look, well Basil the Great summed it up by saying, hope not hate have threatened to expose the Great British

pack and Ben Habib has told them to do one. His letter was brilliant, but it just does show you, Lelani, doesn't it? That hope not hate are on the wrong side of this. They are literally now trying to shut down patriots who are speaking the truth. But they always have been. Just look at what happened when there was a Southport riots, when Lucy Connolly posted that deleted the social media post that she then deleted. When I went to jail for memes, Nick,

is it Knowles? He posted that there were white people. Oh, yes, Nick. Yes. Right. He posted white people were out there throwing acid on Muslim women. It was a complete lie. Do you not think that stirred up some hatred? Yeah. No one touched him. Did he even get arrested? Did he? Did the police talk to him? He was allowed to say that during that crucial time and nothing happened to him. He stirs up problems all the time and I absolutely loved what the PAC did. They said we stand behind our members, we don't care what they may have said in the past,

people change their minds all the time. We stand by our members. So that was a perfect response. If only Reform UK and Nigel Farage had taken that approach. Don't come for our members. Don't do offense archaeology on our members. Who cares? I actually want to read it to you because I know a lot of you won't have seen this, but it was a letter from Ben Habib and it's quite long,

but it is worth listening to. He writes, we have received an email from Hope Not Hate threatening to publish an article targeting the Great British Pack and several of our regional directors over things they have supposedly said in the past. This is our response to Hope Not Hate. Frankly, we couldn't care less what Hope Not Hate thinks or publish. Your attempts to label and smear aren't new we've seen it all before and it has zero effect on what we do or who we are These smear tactics are straight out of the far-left playbook and attempt to shut down free speech through intimidation and public shaming It's a direct attack on democracy. We don't care what our members have said in the past. They haven't broken any laws We will always defend their right to speak freely. Free speech is the bedrock of a free society,

and the moment you start policing opinions and ideas, you cross into dangerous totalitarian territory. We stand by all our board directors, including Carl Benjamin, Edward Oakenfull, Anthony Antoineau, Peter Storms, Paul Hopkins, Alex Stevenson, Donna Edmonds, Caroline Smith, Scott Lewis, Sarah Morris, Anthony Mack, Katriona Flair and Guy Loughlin. Hope Not Hate isn't holding power to account, you're trying to become the thought police, but we're not afraid and we're not backing down. We will stand by our people without hesitation. Also, just so you know, we aren't a political party, we are an action committee. We don't posture, we act. We don't apologise, we mobilise. We are a growing force across the

patriotic so-called right, made up of people who may not agree on everything, some back Kemi, some back Nigel, some back Tommy. But we're all united by one thing, a deep love for this country and a fierce determination to protect us. You call us far right, that's tired and lazy. What we are is right, and so far we've been proven right, time and again. Meanwhile, you can keep shouting from the sidelines, we're already past you. The Labour government is failing the country. Much of the media class is complicit, the public knows it,

and we're building the infrastructure now to make sure the patriotic voice isn't just heard, it's unstoppable. We are laser focused, blinkers on, no time for your noise. We know where the finish line is. Come 2029 we will be ready. Until then, sit back and watch. Call us names, publish your articles, scream into the void. It won't stop us. In fact, it just proves what we already knew.

You're scared because the people are with us now. We represent all parties. We've even had lifelong Labour voters join the Great British Pact. So publish away, do your worst. We're not going anywhere. And thanks for the publicity, Ben Habib, Chair of the Great British Pact. Absolutely brilliant, Ben. But look, I want to get both of your opinion now on the breaking news today that the assisted dying bill has passed by just 23 votes. Now my view is that this is a completely flawed, sick bill. Lelani Downing, it feels like this government is becoming the government of death, given that we've already seen abortion effectively legalised or at least decriminalised up until

the day of birth in the same week. And it feels like there's not been enough scrutiny here but what's your verdict on this? I think, had I not seen what's happened the last five years, I may have possibly supported it for people that, you know, were going through a lot of pain at the end or had a really bad diagnosis. But given what I've seen and seen what I've seen in Canada, where they've offered euthanasia to say, a fact, this is a fact, a former Paralympian, all she wanted was a stairlift and they offered her euthanasia. To me, what they're not doing is they're not helping people in life. 100%.

What we pay our taxes for, isn't it? We don't pay to put people in hotel. Of course. And when does this become a money saving thing for the NHS? Because June, do you know under this legislation that an anorexic, for example, could be offered for their life to be ended without their family even being consulted? Well, it just proves that it can be, well, it can be abused. I don't trust the people putting the legislation out. You know, we've just had a loved one pass away in excruciating circumstances. Oh, I'm so sorry.

A lengthy horrible death. I'm so sorry. It was David's father. I wouldn't want to put anybody through that. But I certainly wouldn't want to think that assisted dying was available to people. What about people with no family? What about people who have mentally impaired that don't get a say? I just think it's open to abuse. Yeah.

I think it's a rocky road. The thing is, a lot of the problems with people who are dying very unpleasant deaths is staff shortages within the NHS. Yes. And I think the best thing to do would be, instead of spending money on wars and weapons and stupid things overseas,

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this BBC star is being protected because she's a woman. We're going to look in just one moment at some of Naga's most uncomfortable on-screen moments. But first let me take you through the story. So the Sun reports that BBC Star Naga Monchetti has been hauled in by bosses over allegations she bullied a junior staffer and made an off-air sex-gybe. She also is said to have accused a junior staffer of stealing from her. They report Nagamon Chetty reprimanded by bosses over two incidents in three years. The star was also hauled in over a sex-gybe made on Radio 5 Live. It comes of course, as Breakfast Editor, we spoke about this earlier in the week, Richard Freniani took leave amid separate bullying

claims. Naga is said to have used a cruised slang term for a sex actor in an off-air adbreak before asking a colleague if they had done it. The alleged remarks stunned the Radio 5 Live studio and led to the star being hauled before bosses. She was reprimanded by a senior producer but no formal action was taken. The comment became widely known at 5 Live with one source describing the 2022 incident as crass, inappropriate and wildly unprofessional. The person felt embarrassed. The Sun has also revealed today that on BBC Breakfast last year she was wrapped for the alleged bullying of a woman who was the most junior staffer. As part of the alleged bullying, the star is said to have falsely accused her of stealing, which led to a closed-door showdown.

The source said it was humiliating. There was no evidence, no apology. The woman left not long after completely demoralised. Another insider added, that wasn't an isolated incident. It really is the tip of the iceberg. The background to this according to The Sun is that Munchetti is the first female presented to be caught up in this series of scandals which have gripped the bebe. Strictly's Giovanni Panacea and Graziano De Prima had to leave over bullying claims.

Wynn Evans quit the live tour over the word spit roast which can be a sexual reference but the BBC is now facing questions of double standards. A Breakfast Insider said if a male presenter made a sexual comment like that or falsely accused someone of theft he'd be out the door but with nagga it gets brushed off and all the BBC spokesperson has said today while we do not comment on individual cases we take all the complaints about conduct at work extremely seriously. Well let me turn to my superstar panel now June Slater and Lelani Dowding. Lelani, it's very clear they don't take it extremely seriously if you happen to be a protected species at the BBC. And who are the protected species? Someone who is a non-white female presenter.

Because I'm sorry if Naga Monchetti was a man and she had made that type of sex drive, just like when Evans did, it was just a joke. He was gone. He'll never work at the BBC again. He's suicidal over it, you know? But she's also bullying a junior member of staff, which I just think is the worst possible thing, Lelani. Now look, I will stress, innocent until proven guilty. However, does it not look like there are serious double standards going on here? Oh, without a doubt, it's serious double standards and that's to be expected from the BBC. She's a minority. She's not, obviously she's not white and she's female. So, you know, it's, how can they get rid of her?

So yeah, we got to get, look at the double standards. I'm so glad I don't actually know who she is because I don't watch the BBC and I don't pay for a TV license and I whenever will. So I'm happy with that. But what I do think though, is they do get really silly about like these, like bullying things or a joke thing. And what I will say is yes, there's double standards

but I don't think that those men should have been fired over a joke. You know, people make inappropriate jokes all the time. Back in the day, it used to be all right. I mean, you know, people make inappropriate jokes all the time. Back in the day it used to be all right. I mean, you know, this was three years ago. Why is it suddenly appearing now? So I think, yeah, double standards at the BBC, but I just think all of it's nonsense. I'm just, you know, so sick of it. When it's serious things like Jimmy Savile and Hugh Edwards, then I expect serious action and proper headlines and for things not to be covered up. But you know, all of this needs to be held and sorted

out in-house really. I mean, June Slater, I do agree with Lelani that you shouldn't be sacked for a joke. But I mean, Lawrence Fox was, I was sacked for laughing at a joke for God's sake. And it was the BBC that were leading the charge against us. It was the BBC who demanded we be removed from the airwaves. But when it's one of their own, when it's a mixed race female, they do not give a damn, June. Well, I think it must be a dismal place to work for a start because you must be walking on eggshells wondering if you've got it right and you can't have a joke about things. So I'm pretty liberal in the way I think and I'm too old to even change into what would fit it. I think her background, female, mixed race.

She'd taken a few boxes there for the BBC. They're not going to do anything, are they? No. Realistically, it shouldn't be. But how can a woman like her be bullying a junior staff member, June, falsely accusing her of stealing? I mean, that's the lowest of the low. These guys, and remember I worked in mainstream TV for a long time. Those junior staffers, June, they usually get paid between 18 to say 20,000 pounds a

year. Their job is to go and get your coffee, print out your scripts. You know, they are there on the ground doing everything they can to make your life easy. Why on earth would you bully a vulnerable person like that? Yeah, they're vulnerable, aren't they? They're just starting out in their careers, hoping to make something of themselves in the media. And these, I'm sorry sorry but these people on news channels the ego, I mean who are you really, you know what have you actually done, you're reading a script

that probably you might have written or someone else has written, you're delivering a narrative, you're not even sourcing proper news, you're dealing with mostly vanilla topics and you're not that special, that's the thing and I've got to say with channels like yours and Winston Marshall and quite a few other podcasters, we don't need you. You're in the terminal. It's the end of the line. You just can't see it yet.

Don't the lines. Get some appetite. It's arrogance, exactly. The arrogance of thinking that you should have a huge phalanx of staff who's doing everything for you anyway. No, I mean, I couldn't agree more. Look, the thing about Nagamun Chetti is it's hard to watch her on screen and not see the fact that she does have it in her personality in some way to be that slightly difficult character. I've got a couple of examples for us to look at. Do you remember the moment when Charlie State was left horrified

when she went on an anti ice cream rant, leaving the business reporter completely speechless. Wish you were here now. I don't like ice cream, Hannah. You don't like ice cream? No. But you just said pistachio. If I had to eat an ice cream for the rest of my life, it would be pistachio flavor, but I don't like cold food. Do you like brownies? Not so much. But you know, we'll get to know each other, Hannah. And you'll find out a lot.

Look at Hannah's face. I won't be bringing brownies into the office then. No, everyone else does. Don't let me deny the rest of the office. Hannah, it's been great talking to you. I'm glad you're enjoying the ice cream. Certainly needed in this weather. Take care. Hannah, imagine that. Business correspondent.

What's your job? I've got to be sent to an ice cream factory and you actually like an ice cream parlour. Do you think you rather brought the tone down then? Oh be quiet. Come on. I apologise. She's working hard, doing the story and then... Time now for a look at the headlines where you are this morning. I mean it's also fair to say there is no love lost. No love lost between Charlie's state and Nagamun Chettien. Is it surprising after moments like this? You would hear the voice later and the can you look interested? I'll look this way what which camera so the interesting thing here is that one thing is which is it camera three what

am I what for no I wanted a single because I think we just need to remove there we are interesting thing you'll be asking you'll be asking at home is what is the effect of that on a conversation you might have a mug that is one you wouldn't hear the voice you wouldn't hear the voices quickly it would take a while to travel and also it would be quite a bit quieter so now you know if you're having a conversation on Mars shortly we know the official details on that. I'm sweating. It's nice when you pay attention to what you're saying. It really is.

Have you got a story? And remember the time when she made Jerry Halliwell or Jerry Horner now ex-spice girl or current Spice Girl actually, always ginger spice, feel really uncomfortable? Because you've come in making sure you've done your research on us as well. Well, I think it's polite. Also pointing your finger quite a

lot, to be honest. What do you do? I'm so sorry, Charlie. Do you not like being interviewed? Do you know, I like I like communication. I don't mind. Leave Jerry alone.

Lillani Downing, I would argue that the BBC Breakfast sofa is the unhappiest place in British television. Oh, it's very uncomfortable, isn't it? Very uncomfortable. It's not very inviting. And you know what, Dan, I have to say, and going back to your point about what happened to you on GB News.

Yeah, absolutely. The BBC did lead the way on that. And I would have actually liked to see a letter from GB News, like what the Great British Pack wrote about you and the presenters, about how they would stick by you guys no matter what. It would have been nice to see that, because they didn't.

And like you said, the mainstream really led the way on getting you locked down over just laughing at a simple joke. And really, I don't think it as a woman, it was even that offensive at all. There's plenty of men that wouldn't shag me, I tell you. I don't know any of them, La'Lani, I have to say, unless they happen to be gay. June Slater, what did you make of those uncomfortable moments? I mean, there's definitely tension, right, on that show. You can see it on the screen, which makes, I think, these reports much more valid. June Slater You'll notice on the one where he asked for a single camera,

her laughing got automatically louder. Did you notice that? She was laughing and then when he asked for a single camera she got louder so she still had some it wasn't just a solace on him. I think she's very contrived I think this where she looks like she's losing it or being a bit outrageous I think it's contrived to try and make herself look a bit edgy. She's about as edgy as a cream cake and it's just not, there's no edge to her, she's not exactly a pie crust. I'm sorry, but these people are so lame and dull. Dull is what they are.

And they get guests on like Jerry Halliwell, who could break, she's attractive, she's articulate, she's had an interesting life. And what's she trying to do? What is she trying to do? Dizzy? She's looking to do. What is she trying to do? Diss it? She's looking to speak to people like that. You know, Gerry's done quite a few different things with charities. She's not just been a Spice Girl and you know, I just think that

she's, I think she's fault. That's how she comes across to me. Yeah, I mean, look, I've interviewed Gerry Halliwell numerous times, right? And she is a really lovely person to interview. Okay? Like some celebrities are nightmares. Some celebrities are absolute nightmares. But to make Geri Halliwell feel that uncomfortable, honestly, she's like the dream interview. And they didn't like the fact that she'd done a bit of research on them. That's actually quite a polite thing to do, I think, when the celebrity has actually looked into who you are, understands who you are. I don't just want to go on a show, on a podcast, with someone who I don't know. So I just think that was all about trying to make Geri Halliwell look small. And that is, that is something I

hate to say, that is something I hate to say that is something bullies do. That is something bullies do. I will say though, Nagamon Chetty has a very lovely husband, who is a technical guy, but one of the big time technical guys and he worked at GB News for a very long time was treated appallingly by GB News and then went over to help set up. Do you remember when talk became a big TV thing? It didn't last for long, but he did all of that.

So he's a very nice guy. So I should just put on the record there. I like to be transparent that I do know Nagamun Chetty's husband. I've only personally met Nagamun Chetty once, but I do know her husband. He is a very, very lovely lovely man and you too are very very lovely women thank you so much love having you back uh June Slater, Lalani Dunny. Lalani's

been having a little operation on your sinuses all okay Lalani I know people thought you'd had a nose job right? I know it's like I had no bruising which actually shocked me but no it was to open up my sinuses so it's the first time I've actually been to sit here and do an interview without a runny nose. And it's been so lovely. I've not had to like bend down and run nose. That's nice for June and I too, I'll say. Yeah. No, it's so great to have you back. I can breathe.

So great to have you back. And of course, you've to follow Lelani Daldin on X and make sure you subscribe to June Slater. Must watch on YouTube and Facebook and of course on X as well. Thank you both so much. Hope to speak very soon. Have an amazing weekend. I'm off to Prague actually this weekend to see a concert by my favorite Alanis Morissette. Very, very excited about it.

Okay, we're about to reveal today's worst Britain. Well, it's not today's, it's this week's worst Britain in the world this week. This is where we take your nominees for Union Jackass or your winners of Union Jackass. I'm not explaining this very well, am I? They go head to head in an ultimate poll to find the worst Britain in the world this week. And of course, on Tuesday this

week, it was Jess Phillips, on Wednesday it was Sheila Fogarty, on Thursday it was Lorraine Kelly. So they are the nominations. We've got lots of comments from you. Joanna Kay wrote Jess Phillips smirking in the House of Commons whilst the Home Secretary was reading the speech proved that she was just vile, despicable and unforgivable. It was disgraceful. Birdlover7690 wrote, Jess Phillips, what can I say? She has dug herself the biggest sinkhole for her future in politics. She had already fallen in it. She is better to resign as she's not taking any criticism very well. From my understanding, she was once very good at her job

just the way things have gone for her. So lots on Jess Phillips, although Saigon Fur1234 said, Lorraine Kelly is the biggest phony, a tax-dodging character played by an actor. And, oh, another one on Jess Phillips, character played by an actor. And Oh, another one on Jess Phillips, which is good from Jillian Burgess, saying, don't get me wrong, I think she has been despicable over these grouping gangs, but I wondered if her smile was meant to be ironic, as she claims to

have put some measures in place. That was being suggested to her. I can't see why she would smile for any other reason. Well, look, do you want to know my honest take on it? I think Jess Phillips was just reading something else. She wasn't paying attention. She wasn't responding to what was being said. But that's completely inexcusable. You were the Minister for Child Safeguard and you are in a debate in Parliament over the biggest scandal in British history. Don't read something else. Listen to what's being said. It was totally disrespectful. Okay, your votes are in. We've had over 30,000. Absolutely incredible. Thank you so much.

In third place, Sheila Fogarty with 9% of the vote. In third, sorry, in second place, the runner up with 13% of the vote, Lorraine Kelly third, sorry, in second place, the runner up with 13 percent of the vote Lorraine Kelly, but well, overwhelming this week's worst Britain in the world this week with 78 percent of your votes. It is Jess Phillips. That one wasn't a surprise to me. I have to be honest. Now we're moving over to Substack now for the uncancelled after show with Angela Levin. Growing fears for Catherine, the Princess of Wales, after Kensington Palace was plunged into chaos and panic over her last minute decision to pull out of Royal Ascot. So what is really going on?

Well, Angela is our Royal Mastermind. She is here with the inside story. So we're going to come off YouTube and rumble at this point, move to Substack to continue the conversation. www.outspoken.live. I hope you have a wonderful weekend though. If you are in our great United Kingdom, enjoy this weather, we don't get this much. How ironic that I'm flying away for this weekend

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