Dan Wootton Outspoken - GB NEWS IN CRISIS AS MATT GOODWIN RUNS FOR REFORM UK IN BY-ELECTION AS HE'S FORCED TO QUIT

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Matt Goodwin finally makes his move, admitting he is no longer an independent journalist and GB News host as he runs for Reform UK in the Gorton and Denton by-election, which he insists will be a by-election on Slippery Starmer. GB News announced the news today without mentioning he is also a host on their station, which is now a paid up part of the Reform propaganda machine. Of course, Goodwin is now in the fight of his career, with George Galloway and perhaps even the Greens tit whisperer leader Zack Polanski all potential candidates now that Slippery Starmer has blocked Andy Burnham. And Two Tier Keir is fleeing the country as the most unpopular Prime Minister in history as he pathologically and pathetically clings to power even as his own Labour Party turns on him over the decision that they admit will cost Labour the by-election. Meanwhile, Suella Braverman’s defection has plunged the dying Conservatives into its own civil war over the decision to go public on the ex-Home Secretary’s “mental health” after Kemi Badenoch previously accused her of having a “nervous breakdown”. The nasty truth about British politics in Dan's Digest. Then analysis from broadcasting legends Carol McGiffin and Mike Read, who is making his Outspoken debut. And then later in the show, Holly Valance – the former Neighbours star and pop princess – is here for an exclusive interview as her brand new anti-woke single Kiss Kiss My Ass hits Number 1 in the Australian charts. PLUS: John Cleese splits with the left to slam Islam. We’ll analyse the significant intervention of the Fawlty Towers veteran. AND: It’s all kicking off in the MSM news channels, as Nana Akua threatens to headbutt Tom Hardwood as their feud deepens and Sly News is slammed for the launch of its replacement to the axed Press preview. Then in the Royal Uncancelled Aftershow on Substack: The horror of Prince Harry’s miserable life in Montecito has been exposed by a damning new feature, revealing a kept man who hardly leaves the prison of Meghan Markle’s mansion. We’ll have analysis from Harry’s biographer and our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken #uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spend, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 413 and breaking right now. Matt Goodwin finally makes his move. Admitting, he is no longer that independent journalist and TV news host because he is running for Reform UK in the Gorton and Denton by-election, which he insists is going to be a referendum on slippery stammer. I'm being honest with you, this is actually going to be a battle between Islamists and white Christians. Here's how GBM announced the news without mentioning, he just so happens to be a host on their station, which is now a paid up part of the reform propaganda machine. Yes, Matthew Goodwin has been announced as a Reform UK's parliamentary candidate for the Gorton and Denton by-election that is likely to take place on Thursday the 26th of February. Matthew Goodwin, oh, is that different to the Matt Goodwin, who hosts your Friday night show? I'm Matt Goodwin and I'm standing for Reform UK. in the Gorton and Denton parliamentary by-election. This is a referendum on Keir Stama.

Of course, Goodwin is now in the fight of his career with George Galloway and perhaps even the Greens Tit Whisperer Leaders Act Polansky, all potential candidates now that Slippery Starrma has blocked Andy Burnham. And Goodwin has been on one hell of a political journey, we have to say, to reform candidate from the anti-right-wing populist academic who used to take on Tommy Robinson over Islam on the British Bashing Corporation. Organisations like the English Defence League tend to have a lot of slippage in the way that they talk about Islam. So an organisation that started talking about militant Islamism now openly talks about Muslims in general.

So let's just... There are two key things that far right groups share. Firstly, they reject or they undermine what representative liberal democracy is all about. Now, a liberal representative democracy accepts that a plurality of view. is legitimate. We should support those views. We should allow those views. Okay. And I think what many people would feel is that your organisation in the way in which you campaign is automatically discounting the views of Muslims and the rights of Muslims to hold those views. Meanwhile, Tutea Keir is fleeing the country as the most unpopular Prime Minister in history

as he pathologically and pathetically clings to power, even as his own Labour Party turns on him over the decision that they admit will cost Labor the by-election. Then you've got Soala Braviman's defection plunging the other side of the Unipati, the dying conservatives into its own civil war, over the decision to go public on the ex-home secretary's mental health, after Kemi Badernock previously accused her of having a nervous breakdown. The last time I spoke to Kemi was when she asked me to vote for her, in the leadership contest.

She started by apologising to me for saying that I was having a nervous breakdown when, after the general election, I diagnosed the problems with the Conservative Party. It's disappointing to see a political party commenting publicly. Let me finish if I may, on someone's mental health. Using mental health as a criticism of someone's actions

is stigmatising and unhelpful for anyone who has a mental health problem. Look, I'm not going to disagree with you. That's why I was interrupting. It is an appalling thing for the party have said. It is a terrible mistake. Should they apologise? Of course they should.

They should apologise as well. But tonally, it's entirely wrong. The nasty truth about the new British politics in my digest next. Then analysis from two broadcasting legends. So excited about this. Carol McGiffon alongside Mike Reid, who is making his outspoken debut today.

And then later in the show, This is going to be epic too. Holly Valance. You'll remember her as the former Neighbors Star and Pop Princess. Well, she will be here for an exclusive interview as her brand new anti-woke single. Kiss Kiss My Ass, see what she's done there? Has hit number one in the Aussie charts. Oh, it's so good. It's so good. Also coming up on the show today, John Cleese splits with the left to slam Islam.

We'll analyze the significant intervention from the Fultie Tower's veteran. and it's all kicking off at the MSM news channels as Nana Require, threatens to headbutt, Tom Harwood as their feud deepens, and Sly News is slammed for the launch of its replacement to the axed press preview. So we'll get into all of that, then on the uncannselled after show, which remember is over on substack. The horror of Prince Harry's miserable life in Montecito has been exposed by a damning new feature revealing a kept man who hardly leaves the prison of Megan Markle's mansion. we'll have analysis from Harry's biographer, our Royal Mastermind, Angela Lev, and you can sign up to watch www.outspoken.com. We'll also be revealing a brand new greatest Britain and Union Jackass at the end of the show.

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in modern history in Gorton and Denton next month is one of their own presenters, one of their own presenters who has today had to quit the channel where he hosted his own show. We briefly interrupt the shadow chancellor to bring you some breaking news from the Reform Party. Yes, Matthew Goodwin has been announced as Reform UK's parliamentary candidate. for the Gorton and Denton by-election that is likely to take place on Thursday the 26th of February. The by-election was triggered

after the resignation of Andrew Gwynn. That's Matt Goodwin. Matthew Goodwin is his proper name. He might recognise the name. Well, he's been announced as Reform's parliamentary candidate for the Gorton and Denton by-election. And, of course, we're expecting that by-election

to take place on the 26th of February. Matthew Goodwin is, of course, Matt Goodwin. one of their own stars proving what I have been saying for many months, GB News is now part of Reform's propaganda outfit with other presenters, including Alex Armstrong, Patrick Christie, Martin Daubney and Miriam Kate also being lined up for safe seat,

as was revealed during another hilarious on-air meltdown recently. First of all, Miriam, I heard that you're trying to come across, that Dan is trying to bring you across. No, that wasn't true to say about that. Oh, okay. So that's on record. Revelation, exclusive. I'm a news presenter. I'm not allowed to be political. I'm not campaigning for any party.

So I don't know what you've read to what paper. Oh, okay. That's what I'm hearing. But regarding your question, what it is? Which was a genuine question, Andrea, that I think a lot of people will be interested in. But the GB News connection aside, this is a fascinating choice for this critical by-election which could well determine the future of Slippery-Starma after he blocked Andy Burnham, the Greater Manchester Mayor, from RUNY. Let's just be honest about this. It is going to be a straight vote between white Christians and Islamists. As Bernie Spofforth pointed out today, explaining, well, this is interesting.

Gorton and Denton may no longer be left versus right, but looks about to be shaped by Christian and Muslim voting blocks. I genuinely never thought I'd see sectarian voting like this in England. Well, we have, because the Muslim vote, I can tell you, have already any. endorsed the Green Party. The Green Party is the Muslim candidate for this by-election. Nick Lowes, of that horrendous organisation, Hope Not Hate, has also vowed to be going all in to stop Matthew Goodwin getting elected. Now, of course, Goodwin today in his announcement, didn't want to talk about the Muslim issue, the Islam issue, at all. Instead, he framed the vote to his substack subscribers simply as a referendum on Stama, writing, I can confirm that I am standing as the Reform UK candidate in the upcoming parliamentary by-election

in Gorton and Denton on Thursday, February 26th. That's right, I am standing for Parliament. I'll keep this short because by the time you read this, I will already be out campaigning. Let us be absolutely clear by what this by-election is about. It is a referendum on Kyr-Stama. Let me say that again. This is a by-election on Kirstama. This is not a normal election, far from it. It is a chance for the hardworking people of Gorton and Denton to have their stay on Stama and make political history. This by-election, this referendum is the people's chance to send a message, a message that Kirstama, Westminster and the country cannot ignore. The Tories can't send that message. They are finished. They are nowhere to be seen. At recent by-elections, they are a wasted vote. The Greens can't send it. They want open borders, the legalisation of drugs, men and women's spaces and more of the endless chaos that we see around us today.

and the Labour Party certainly can't send it. They are too busy fighting amongst themselves to fight for you. Here's how Goodwin made his debut on Reform social media channels. Reform UK in the Gorton and Denton parliamentary by-election. This is a referendum on Kirstama. If you want Kirstama gone, if you want this Labour government gone, vote Reform UK. Vote for me, Matt Goodwin. I don't know about you.

I'm sick and tired of what has happened. to our once great country. Mass uncontrolled immigration, broken borders, surging energy prices, the cost of living, the highest tax burden for decades. I've had enough of it, you've had enough of it. Let's work together here and make history by bringing down Kirstama

and pushing this country in a different direction. Vote Matt Goodwin, vote Reform UK. Let's make history together. Goodwin's biggest rivals are likely to be George Galloway for the Workers' Party and the tit-whisperer Zach Pallansky for the Greens, although he has not confirmed his candidacy. And it is fair to say Goodwin has been on one hell of a political journey

to reform candidate from the anti-right-wing populist academic taking on Tommy Robinson on the British Bashing Corporation. Organisations like the English Defence League tend to have a lot of slippage in the way that they talk about Islam. So an organisation that started talking about militant Islamism now openly talks about Muslims in general. So let's just... Okay, but let's just be absolutely clear. We have to be very precise in our terminology, because it's a sensitive issue.

Let's be absolutely clear. When we look at this survey evidence and we look at all of the research that's being done, the vast majority of Muslims in this country do not endorse terrorism or suicide violence. The vast majority of Muslims in this country feel strongly attached to their country and their neighbourhood. Okay, the vast majority of Muslims in this country do not endorse things like on a killing. The fact that you're all right law. This is, okay, so. So here's, here's, here's, here's the problem.

Under Sharia law, Muslim women are treating second-rate citizens. Here's a problem. Indeed, he used to two of these TV studios pushing back against criticism of Islam. There are two key things that far right groups share. Okay, firstly, they reject or they undermine what representative liberal democracy is all about. Now, a liberal representative democracy

accepts that a plurality of views is legitimate. We should support those views. We should allow those views. Okay. And I think what many people would feel is that your organisation and the way in which you campaign is automatically discounting the views of Muslims and the rights of Muslims to hold those views. But secondly, what far right groups share. I mean, I'm sure you would say you're not the same organization as, say, I don't know, the American Nazi party, right? There's a lot of variation within those parties. Hold on. But what they also share ultimately is a rejection of human equality. and I would guess that many people who are watching the show would feel that your organisation is no longer talking about militant Islam. You're just talking about Muslims.

Okay, well I'd say, you'd say, Far Right. I'd say, we've got a Sikh, a Sikh division. I said of the Be'anjus. A Jewish division, a Hindu division. And excuse me, sorry, and Matthew's an expert on the far right, yeah? Matthew, you're from Kettering. Ninety-eight percent Christian. You was brought up in Kettering. No, I wasn't. Where was you brought up? Chiswell Green. Chiswell Green. What's the population of Muslims there? It's non-existent.

I live in Manchester. I'm more than familiar with what I'm saying is where you've been brought up, yeah, there's been no Muslims, there's been no immigration. Where I've been brought up, when your children go to a school where other children at that school's fathers are teaching them hatred due to the Islamic extremist views, then you can be an expert. Because all these experts which are doing all these studies and reading all these books, they're out of touch with reality. Now look, I'm not saying that Matt Goodwin thinks the same now. I'm not. I just think it's important that we do. show his political journey because we need him to be honest about the fact that we have realized now that really there isn't such a split when it comes to so-called radical Islam.

Much has changed, of course, since those appearances. And I will point out that Matt Goodwin even received Tommy Robinson's endorsement right here on outspoken. Do you trust Matt Goodwin, given that he did used to be one of the guys who was attacking people like you? I think Matt Goodwin is brilliant. He was opposed to us. I think that when I watch him and listen to him, he can really bring people around. He's doing a great job in his commentary, in his work.

Let's have it. If he would have come out with any of the things he's saying now, 13 and 15 years ago when we sat down and had that clash. If he would have come out of those things now, he would have lost his job as a university professor. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong or what's brought him to where it's brought him to now.

What I'm saying is, if I look at his content from now and what he's saying and what he's doing, it's very positive in awakening the nation to the dangers and the friends. So I'm not going to sit here. And what we have to do is remember, lots of people started here and ended up here. Lots. In fact, most people. My inboxes are full of people who hated me and then now here. Matt's gone through whatever his own journey is. Probably I'll say get him on and ask him, what brought him around, what changed his mind, what changed his opinion.

But it was, he was obviously heavily on the other side in that one interview that you see, which is when my answer. And that was 2012. So what's that? 13, 14 years ago. 30, four years ago. My thing is that I get a bit frustrated about is just think, and I did have a bit of a bitter pill, which I just had to swallow, and I've swallowed it, because we've been wanting people like Matt Goodwin,

we've been wanting the professors, the academics, to come out and start awakening and talking. So when they do, I don't think we should be condemning them on any of their past comments. And look, I will tell you, Matt Goodwin is a guy who admits when he got it wrong. He once said that Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't receive a 32% vote share.

He was wrong and so look at what he agreed to go on sly news and do. So what I'm going to do is just sit here and eat my book while you guys carry on. He tried. It's actually a hardback. There are lots of chemicals but I've got to get through the whole thing. Oh, look, good on him. Good on him. So he's a guy who will put his money where his mouth is.

when Goodwin was here on outspoken, he spelled out his pitch to Nigel Farage and said that the biggest obstacle facing Reform UK was actually apathy. Challenge to Nigel Farage that I think very few people have picked up on and it's this. The challenge will not be generating demand because there's so much of that in British politics at the moment. The challenge is going to be overcoming apathy, overcoming a sense among the, the British people that it's too late, a sense that the country is gone, a sense that nobody can make a difference. And I tried to give a nod to that in my speech. And I also discussed this with Nigel and some of his team. I said, you know, what I sense at this conference that I've not sensed that any previous Brexit party event, UK independence party event, is not just support for the

movement, Dan, but is a palpable sense of urgency, a sense that if something, you know, think doesn't start to change soon in this country, then it will be too late. And so apathy is that big challenge, that big, you know, obstacle that I think is facing Nigel Farage and the movement, and they're going to have to find a way of overcoming it. But that apathy, I think, is now gone after the defection of a host of establishment Tories, which has divided the reform base over the past month. But I think when it comes to the defection of Suella Braverman, this very clear and obvious decision by Kemi Badenock and her party to suggest their former home secretary has mental health issues, has done so much damage. Watch. And Suella Braverman, in their response

to your defection, your former party said the Conservatives did all we could to look after Soella's mental health, but she was clearly very unhappy. What do you make of that? Well, it is a bit pathetic. As I said, it says more about them than it does me. I'm not really going to dignify it. It's, I'm afraid. Just more sorry signs of a bitter and desperate party that's in freefall.

Yeah, and I thought the comments yesterday, the comments yesterday are Priddy Patel, were fairly extraordinary as well. Very extreme in every way. And I think these are the last thrashings of a dying political animal. Here is that pretty little moment. The last time I spoke to Kemi was when she asked me to vote for her in the leadership contest. She started by apologising to me for saying that I was having a nervous breakdown when after the general election I diagnosed the problems with the Conservative Party,

saying that we had spoken about being robust and conservative but governed in a wholly weak and ineffective way. And she had said something disparaging about me. She apologized and then she asked me to vote for her in the leadership contest. No, and by the way, reform are not conservatives at all. Look at their policies on the economy. They've got a few ex-conservatives. Well, they'll have to resolve that now. On welfare, they want higher welfare bills. They back labour on getting rid of the two-child policy on all those kind of stuff. That's simply not right. Let's be very clear about this.

I'm a former employment minister that legislated to reduce the welfare budget and get people back into work, which is what we believe in. So they're not conservatives. And they're making it up as they go along. They're national socialists in terms of their conduct. Do you've got Pretty Patel referring to reform as Nazis? And then last night, the shadow home secretary, Chris Phil, wasn't backing down. on this mental health line, even as party officials withdrew it, blaming an early draft. Watch.

Isn't some anonymous briefing. That was the official party response. Was this a wise thing to say? Well, I'm not going to give any further comment on that, but I do think her move to reform has been motivated by frustrated personal ambition. She ran unsuccessfully for leader twice, and just like Robert Jenrick, I think her personal frustration has got the better of her and led her to make the move. Although Jacob Rees-Mogg, who insists he will not be the next senior to defect to reform, was disgusted by the mental health briefing and suggested there should be sacking. Now, the problem is, I believe the statement was approved by Badenock herself. You're referring, I suspect, to the statement they initially put out when Suella Braverman announced that she was going. They said the Conservatives did all we could to look after Suella's mental health, but she was

clearly very unhappy. That is such a low blow from your party, isn't it? I was dreadful and inexcusable thing to have said, and central office should be looking to find out who approved that press release. That person should not be working for the party. Right. Who do you think it would have been? I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't want a name, but level of seniority. I don't know. Can I tell you what mine say? It's disappointing to see a political party commenting publicly. Let me finish if I may, on someone's mental health using mental health as a criticism of someone's actions is stigmatizing and unhelpful for anyone who has a mental health problem look I'm not going to disagree with you

that that's why I was interrupting it is an appalling thing for the party have said it is a terrible mistake should they apologize of course they should they should apologize so but tonally it's entirely wrong soella was a valuable member of the Conservative Party should a lot of good work for the Conservative Party she's not a different person now from the one she was yesterday but she is absolutely trashing the Conservative brand? Not surprisingly if she's accused of having mental health problems.

I have to say, though, forgive me if I don't totally buy the reform outrage on this, given they were the ones falsely claiming Rupert Lowe had dementia. Has Rupert Lowe got dementia? I've no idea. Why a reform? You'll have to ask him. As Restore Britain posted, lots of rightful anger about

mental health slurs and politics today. This disgusting answer from reforms Richard Tyson and whether Rupert has dementia is worth remembering. But it is true to say the Conservatives have now been conducting a witch hunt against wait for it. Conservatives, watch. Politically homeless for the best part of two years. I have not had confidence in the Conservative Party, really, but I have tried to see whether it might change,

try to give it some time. And it's events over the last few days, really, which have, tipped me over the line. The fact that it is a very toxic environment, there is now a concerted effort to expunge from the party, anyone who wants robust borders, who wants a tough approach to law and order, anyone on the right of British politics, there is a witch hunt. And they are demanding pledges of allegiance to the supreme leader, it seems, within the party at the moment. Unless you're willing to pledge and vow, like that. life-long allegiance, you're out. That's not the way to run a party. That's insecure, weak and scared.

It is not an environment where right-wingers have a home. But the Sowellate affection has actually even managed to unite both sides of the right. Look at this from Katie Hopkins and June Slater. One of my favorite conservatives is joining reform. Great news for reform. A fantastic speech given to, who the veterans and her lovely husband is also rejoining after he left because Zia Yusuf, yet again, was the one to make disparaging marks about a woman who would have thought of it. Well done to Suella and her lovely husband. Well done to reform.

Just when you think the Tories couldn't get any lower, they get lower than a snake's belly, they could limbo under a pipe cleaner. They're trying to suggest that Suella Braverman's defection is, through mental health issues and how they try to look after Suella with her mental health issues. You're the one with a mental health issue, you as a party, 250 years

and your legacy is going to be as you burn in the political ashes of never to rise again, that you basically allowed liberalised infiltration of your party and you ceased to offer conservatism. Suella Braverman feels at home because she's gone to someone

offering true consequences. conservatism and it certainly isn't you boys. Do not make any excuses to me about conservatism and your party. You are anything but conservatism. Kemi Bairdnott, only prepared to discuss leaving the ECHR. After reform, proved to the world that we wanted to leave it. And then you've got Robert Jenrick, who's had enough of you too and he's come across. Nigel Farage isn't trying to recreate what you absolutely buggered up.

He's trying to create something brand new. It's trying to create what you should have been. But there do remain legitimate concerns about the Tory takeover of reform, with Conor Thomlinson arguing, this is the reason the Conservative defections have backfired for reform. It stores their momentum as the anti-establishment alternative by forcing them to refute the accusations that our Tory's 2.0. It doesn't matter how good a line Farage has to justify the defections

or how well liked individual MPs such as Suella R by reform support. What matters is the volume of defections and that the likes of Nadim Doris and Nadim Sahawi were welcomed at press conferences as proof that reform were gaining momentum. People shouldn't be wondering if an apology is all that separates Pretty Battal and Boris Johnson from joining reform, regardless of how unlikely that is to happen. Ex-reform London Merrill candidate Howard Cox added, Reform equals re-tory 2.0. In January, Nigel Farage issued strong statements clarifying that the part of party will not be a lifeboat for failed or opportunistic conservative politicians. So what's changed? Good grassroots reform candidates now become second choice candidates.

For me, the biggest idea you see, though, in the reform announcement is that it took away from the true crisis facing Stama, who has fled to China today after posting another bizarre video on his TikTok. Good morning. That's a pleasure on me to you. No, no. I think you came into my house, didn't you? Yes, I did.

And I loved that I didn't want to leave. When I said I was meeting you today, my daughter is 15. No way. Can you imagine? I'm Mr. Doctor knows me. I've got a surprise for you. Sorry? It's your TikTok at?

I've heard very, very good. I love how even on his own TikTok, he doesn't have a sense of humour, doesn't have a personality. He's just a soulless empty vessel. And of course, none of this is. going to work because even his own party is now strongly turning on Stama, including wait for it, the Guardian's Polly Toinby, who has withdrawn her support with a devastating headline over Andy Burnham. Here's the lesson of the Burnham saga. Labor needs a new leader fast. Kirstama's

dismal decision to block the Greater Manchester Mayor has brought him time, but it won't change his fate. She added whatever the unknowable result, keeping calm and carrying on over. the precipice looks like the worst option. Labor has had that lemming instinct in the past, but no longer. This is not about one's party's survival, but mortal combat with the Farage forces of darkness. The left liberal block of parties is duty-bound to see off the hard right block. The Tories now sucked into the frighteningly race-driven orbit of the Trumpian Reform UK. Stama himself said on Monday, as he did in his conference speech, that this is the fight, but it's now clear to all that he's not the one to lead that fight. The new leader has to be

acceptable enough to appeal to tactical voters across the whole liberal green left spectrum. The new leader has to be bold enough to go for immediate electoral reform to ensure every party only gets the seats earned by its vote. Or Farage could do as Labor did in 2024 and win by a mile, despite the great majority voting against him. Let's selecting a new leader be done with the least bloodshed, but it needs to be done before May. Why wait for brutal results if there's a chance of stopping a hemorrhage of Labour's councils and terrible losses in Scotland and Wales, choose whoever is fittest to draw in the most support for the stop-forage fight. And what's so interesting is that one of Polly Toinby's colleagues,

that little crescent Owen Jones, has welcomed Matt Goodwin's appointment as the reform by election candidate by posting some old Matt Goodwin tweets. And yes, I do appreciate they are very old. But I do think they are worth sharing with you. Jones wrote, you've gone on quite the journey, haven't you, Matt? And look, two tweets directly to Owen Jones in 2012. The first, Owen Jones, we have nothing to fear from our Muslim citizens, a responsible response to the census 2011.

And then some useful data sources cited by Owen Jones and his piece on the need to take anti-Muslim prejudice more seriously. Just saying. Just saying. Now the Superstar panel. Two absolute broadcasting legends on Outspoken today, making his debut, Mike Reed, Radio, Man, ex-BBC star, and of course one of our favorites, Carol McGiffon. So McGiff, Matt Goodwin, the choice as candidate for Reform UK. He's been on quite a journey.

A lot of people in the live chat now saying, Dan, it was years and years and years ago. Of course you've got to trust him. Do you trust him? I don't trust any of them, Dan, you know that. And I've been saying for a long, long time, look, I'm not sure what is going to happen. One thing I do know is that reform will win the next election. And they're going to, mainly because Starma is under orders

to be the worst political party in government ever. And they're doing it on purpose. That's the whole Andy Burnham thing, I think. So with Matt Goodwin, who, incidentally, reminds me such a lot of Alan Partridge. I can't, I can't, every time I watch him. And he's really clever. He's very well-spoken. He's very eloquent.

And he's, you know, he's quite brilliant, actually. But he's, I don't know. No, I don't trust him. I don't think you can change your views that much. Okay, it was a long time ago. But now everybody seems to be making excuses for people that they like, that you can change your mind. And just because you said that 15 years ago, it doesn't mean to say, you know, that you still think that now.

Obviously, he doesn't. But, you know, when he was speaking today, he said, Matt Goodwin said, I'm not a career politician. I'm sorry, but every politician is a career politician. That's what they do it for. You know, I just don't trust any of them. And I definitely don't trust reform. Reform is, it is the uny party with a purple tie.

it. There's nothing different to it. And the way they keep saying oh, you know, things are going to change, the next election, everything in the UK is going to change, I'm not so sure. I don't think it will. And to keep trying to pretend to people that voting makes a difference

absolutely does not. These are all people. They're the same people but with different faces. That's it. Mike Reid, so great to have you on Outspoke. We haven't spoken since my G.B. News days. And I'm interested to know what you think of this whole weird sort of, it's like a ski slope now from being a presenter on G.B. News

to going to run for Reform UK. And there was this very odd moment today, which I played in the digest where the presenters announced, oh, Matthew Goodwin is going to be the candidate for Reform UK. Well, of course all Gb News viewers know who Matthew Goodwin is. He hosts your Friday night show. Like, it's odd. Do you feel uncomfortable about it? Or am I being a bit paranoid? here. I don't know. I mean, he's only got three weeks during now. Now, I know he was born in St. Albans. I know he lives in London. Did I hear him say earlier that he grew up in Manchester? Well, he said that, so basically, his grandfather was from Manchester. He was born in St. Albans. But in fairness, he did go back to university in Manchester. He has lots of his roots there. I think his

his grandfather was a Salford guy, but he wasn't actually himself born in Manchester, but he certainly worked there. And I guess he's really emphasising his local connections for obvious reasons. Well, this is what you do, isn't it? I mean, the few times that Nigel asked Bidestan in places, I said, Nigel, I have no connection with these places. It's unfair. And I don't want to go and live in Boston.

So you've got to be there. He's got three weeks to convince people that he knows the local captains of him. industry. He's aware of the structure of the place, how the place ticks his people. Three weeks is a very, very, very short time to do that. You have two parties that are internally combusting. So that's to his favour. You've got civil war breaking out in both of them. That's to his favour as well. He's got some good people he's up against. I honestly thought that Stamber has done so many U-turns or so many things that he's announced and then backtrack. I thought he might well backtrack with the NEC

and the Andy Burnham thing. He might suddenly go, whoops, which you normally does. But as you say, he's now fled the country. I've had experience of the NEC in the past with UKIP NEC, which I've fallen foul of. But so, yeah, he's got three weeks. It's going to be tough. It's not really local.

I mean, Mike, as you rightly allude to, you do have quite a long history with Nigel Farage. you even, I believe, used to speak at some of his UKIP events. Do you see Reform UK in the same way as you did UK? It's like the father of the son, isn't it? It's come on. It's moved on. It's difficult.

I mean, UKIP, you didn't have a whole bunch of serious politicians. I mean, now they have enough MPs to lay a reet at the Senate up in November. which is amazing. These people coming over, it is questionable. I think are people watching their backs or are they thinking, I can see I'm on a sinking ship, let me jump now, or do I really, really believe in reform? Only time will tell.

But it is a big question. Do I leave the sinking ship? Do I stay on it? Do I admit to my faults? I am jumping now. I don't know. Would you consider throw, your hat in the ring and going all in with Reform UK.

Somebody a couple of weeks ago mentioned Gorton and Denton, but to be honest, and if you're honest with yourself, and I've always felt you should be positive about yourself, not negative about other people. You can have your own opinions, so can other people. And I always defend the right of other people that have their opinions. You've got to be there. To be honest, if you throw your hat in the ring, you've got to be part, you've got to live there, you could be part of it. You've got to understand how people operate there, understand the people, know what they want, know what they like. And I think it probably takes longer than three weeks to do that. I think you've got to be amongst them. I mean, Nigel once asked me to stand for Eastbourne,

and I said, I think I've only been there twice, Nigel. So I think, yeah, I think you've got to, you've got to know the area and the area I've got to know you. And whatever area it is, not just an MP, is whatever you're doing, you've got to be passionate. And maybe in the future, maybe in the future. maybe in the future you haven't ruled it out it's a big ass I'd rather people liked you because everyone likes you now and Carol McGiffin but all of a sudden not trust you

well you get 50% that love you and 50% that don't and I'm not thick skin enough I know people like Nigel and Pierce Morgan and maybe even you dad I don't know are not you're pretty thick skin I'm not I'm pretty sensitive somebody says something horrible

I hate it. Well, no, you've been beloved. You've had a career when you were beloved. I mean, my God, you host a Top of the Pops when the BBC, the British Bashing Corporation, as I call it, actually used to be incredible. So, no, I understand that that would be quite a twist. It's super interesting, though, seeing former major stars in this country, household names, start saying the unsayable. And one of them is John Cleese. And by the way, my relationship with John Cleese has.

not being positive in recent years. He really turned on me, actually, when he joined G.B. News and showed a horrible, nasty, vindictive side, which really disappointed me. I don't agree with him politically on many things, even though previously I did have a good positive personal relationship with him, having first met him when Monty Python reunited for that major arena tour. So, I say all of that. I preface with the fact that I'm no fan, but I do respect John Cleese for a very serious move he has made over the past couple of days in deciding to speak publicly against Islam. So here's the post. Several followers seem to think that being critical of Islam is right wing. I can assure them that being appalled and indeed disgusted by female genital mutilation and child marriage is not restricted to right wingers.

Now, you can imagine he has had huge backlash as a result. But he's standing by what he has to say, actually, when Ida Turin posted in regards to Iran, He added any criticism of Islam is labelled Islamophobia. A better word would be Islamosceptic. A difference of opinion is not a phobia except in the minds of the paranoid. And he has even gone on today to retweet a video from Resistance G.B. of a young British teenager talking about being taught

about Islam at school and he simply used the word fascist with a question mark and of course this young boy is not fascist but I do just want to take a look at what he had to say here let's watch this now

schools they're pressuring us to learn about Islam and learn about the people that coming over I don't want to learn about that I want to learn about my culture my beliefs and I'm proud to be English. Have they talked you about the Bill of Fates? No. Did you learn about the Battle of Agincourt? No.

In school they were teaching us about, you know, about Islam, about Prophet Muhammad and all their, and all their ideologies. They barely covered Christianity at all. Did they tell you about how he was a warlord who brutally murdered people? They wouldn't say any of that. And when I tried to stand up and say that someone had picked, I would get in trouble for it. Dispended from school because apparently I was being racist, I was and I was just trying. I wasn't. I was just trying to, you know. You're questioning, questioning an ideology.

Yes, I was questioning the ideology, and in my opinion it's not the right ideology. I'm trying to take away my speech in school. They're trying to silence me to suspend me from school for, you know, trying to stand up and discuss stuff about Islam, the wrongs of it. They only say, oh, Islam's a peaceful religion. But if you look into their book, you'll find out it's not. And of course, Cleese was being sarcastic when he posed the question of fascist because you're not fascist to think that,

and you're not fascist or Islamophobic to question this religion. And I am delighted that someone who I consider on the hard left is going there. Let's compare John Clee, someone who is clearly now uncanceable, to one of the young breed of British actors, Will Poulter, who has instead decided to parrot the usual narrative over in Hollywood, watch. It's really upsetting to see people forget that, you know, We're a country that we have immigrants to thank for, and I feel the same way about my home country in the UK.

And, you know, as an actor, I don't want to conflate, you know, my influence or what I'm able to do in order to affect change. But certainly I try to look at how, you know, I can draw attention to certain things in society to try and raise awareness or to try and motivate change and activate people. But, you know, I also remain cognizant the fact that I'm an act. are not an activist and, you know, I don't do the work that people like an adio do, for example, you know, I'm in the business to try to draw attention to it. And obviously that's what we expect from actors, right?

Like, that is the usual narrative we expect from actors. And Lawrence Fox responded to that saying, this is a script. He's being paid to say these lines. If he doesn't repeat the approved message on demand, the money stops and Hollywood finds itself someone else who will. And so that's why, of course, we do respect the likes of Ricky Javis and J.K. Rowling and John Cleese, who are just too old or too rich or too successful to be cancelled. And John Cleese isn't stopping on this. Adding today, Palau Slaughter runs contrary to the old established British principles about not torturing animals. So to my superstar panel, Mike Reed and Carol McGiff, as I say, I think John Cleese is a cantankerous. old nightmare in so many ways. And he was totally awful to me when he joined GB News and I was being cancelled on false allegations and he made life very, very difficult. But I genuinely respect what

he is doing here and I absolutely celebrate the fact that he is being prepared to speak out in regards to Islam because not many celebrities are. Yeah, he is a grumpy old get, I know. But No, I applaud him as well. And the way he's doing it is really quite clever. He's not making any serious criticism in himself, which I think is now, isn't it against the law in the UK? Well, they want it to be. Yeah.

They want it to be. Of course they do. Very soon they might be having to arrest John Cleese. I mean, that is the reality of this Islamophobia definition. Yeah, well, exactly, yeah. And he's kind of, you know, thinking of new words and ways to say things. And he's getting a hell of a lot of support, it has to be said. But it is good when people start to sort of state the facts, if you like,

because any right-minded person would agree with him. You know, it's not one single person who would think that some of the dictates of the ideology of Islam are a good idea. And just going back to that young lad there, it's interesting because I saw a really good tweet the other day from someone saying it's odd how they're in schools now they're trying to paint young white boys as all misogynist and you know trying to tell them that they're they're sexist and you can't do this and you can't do that and yet at the same time they're treat they're teaching them about the ideology of Islam which endorses a lot of those things that they're trying to make

turn in turn white boys into and it's it's really it's actually really messed up and you know it's it kind of has to stop them to have a young boy speaking out like that is really quite refreshing actually and good for him. And I hope that more young people are waking up to this as well. Totally, totally. Mike Reed, you were a star of the BBC at a similar time as John Cleese. I don't know if your paths ever crossed. But what do you make of the fact that even though he's very much on the left of politics,

He's saying, look, criticizing Islam should not be seen as a left-right issue. Yeah, and I agree. I mean, I like the fact that he's saying they call everything phobia now and it's not. So I think that's a good point for a start. The treatment of women and children is really against us and our principles and everything we stood for. So I agree with him on that. Our paths have crossed. We did a BBC commercial together when they had everybody in it.

And what did the BBC ever done for us? he says is the guy behind the bar and everybody is in it. Oh, yeah, got to go to the films. Oh, yeah, and the sport. Yeah, it was one of those. So yes, our paths did cross. But yeah, maybe he is outspoken. He's entitled to his view.

And I think, I mean, because, you know, he does hold good views. They are outlandish. And he does spark people that if there were ever to, maybe reform should do it, get a new minister. And so he could oppose people that say, stupid things, and he could be the new minister for silly talks. I thought that was coming. Good one.

I thought that was coming. But no, it is true. It is true. We need some of these legends, Carol, don't we? I wish more legends would speak out because it is more difficult. I mean, look, I see someone like Will Poulter and I think, oh, God, what a drip. What a drip. But Lawrence Fox is right, isn't he?

If someone at his stage of his career decided to go off script, that's it. No more roles, Carol, no more bookings. Oh, in that business, absolutely, that's true. But it's not just that business, is it? It's not just show business. There are a lot of people who have paid to spin these lines all the time. And, you know, you can't name names. Obviously, I have my suspicions, but it's so obvious.

because you think you look at them and when they say things like that, just think you can't possibly be that, not stupid but blind to what is happening and what most people think. And the fact that you're still trying to force it down people's throats, like it's a good idea is, you know, why else would you do that unless it was for, you know, some kind of gain, probably financial? It's not just the acting world. It's all over the place, I think, especially even in journalism,

in, well, I call it journalism, but the mainstream media and the people who work in it. I wouldn't call most of them journalists, but, you know, you know there are a lot of people within that business that say things because they're maybe paid to say them, you know, and they don't actually believe them. And you kind of find this out sort of later in life when the money tap stops. turned off and then they find out, you know, what they really think. So I'm not sure it's just the acting world, but it's great to have influential and well-loved people. It doesn't matter how grumpy John Cleese is. Everyone still loves him. Everyone still thinks he's absolutely brilliant.

And when he does speak out like that with no fear of getting cancelled, because as you say, he's uncancelable, then brilliant. Let's have more of them. We need more of them. There are certain people in their careers who have done something so great. And I think with Ricky DeVease, it's The Office, with J.K. Rowling, it's Harry Potter, with John Cleese, it's Faulty Tales. And I know all three of those people did other great things in their careers. But sometimes it's just that one project that makes them untouchable for the rest of their lives. And as a result, they can be so much more influential. Now, it's all kicking off behind the scenes at our two favorite news channels, sly news,

and G.B. News, where I don't think any of the presenters actually get on. But when it comes to these two, Tom Hardwood and Nana Acqueer, now hosts of Good Afternoon Britain, I think they are the most dysfunctional presenting duo in GB News history. And trust me, I've worked there. I know how much Bev Turner and Andrew Pearce hated each other. So that's saying something. But it is kicked off again on air with Nana Acquare actually making a threat to headbut, that little misogynist dickhead Tom Harwood, and Miriam Cates, one of the other

presenters of the show, suggesting that HR might have to be called in. Now, of course, I knew that these tensions were there for a long time. Like, Tom Harwood is one of those women haters, right? Like, he is a trans extremist. And you often find with those people deep down, actually, are just not into biological women. So he cannot respect his female co-presenters. And Nana Acre, who is a good friend of mine, I will say, although, of course, she would never be unprofessional and tell me what she really thinks about Hardwood.

But Nana Acre is someone who will not put up with that type of bullshit. And of course when Hardwood did it on air, once too often, Nana just snapped. And I do not blame her. Here's a reminder. But it does destroy the idea of user-generated content online. Twitter would not exist under a regulatory framework. No, it doesn't. He said he said to stop being a publisher to make the platform liable for the content on it.

You do understand what that would mean. Well, yes, I do, Tom. I'm not stupid. Okay. I do understand that. You don't patronise me. I'm not patronising you? I think you are just a little bit there.

I just think you're wrong on this topic. Well, you can be wrong. We can have two different opinions, but don't patronise me because I'm not going to tolerate that. Well, I don't think anyone did. Right, I think you did. This is good afternoon, Britain. On GV News, lots more coming up on today. And they had a few days off from each other.

And on GV News, you do this thing where you go on to the show before you to sort of plug what you've got coming up. And the idea is that it's all happy families. And we're all big one family, and we all love each other. But indeed, Tom and Nana, even in this little tease, we're able to prove they really hate each other. Watch and listen carefully to what Miriam Kates has to say about HR. I mean, do you think reform will choose a big name? They've got quite a lot of advisors in reform

who are probably quite keen to get into Parliament, or will they go for a local hero? I don't think it's going to work there, because in Manchester, they're very sort of territorial. They want somebody who's a Mancunian who cares about the environment. and that is exactly at Andaburnum, so I think Labour have made a big misstep. Well, sorry, is that all we've got? No, no, you were going to say?

Some rumours that some... Sorry, I was speaking. The ISIS-bride Shemima Bacon could be making the way back. What? We don't want to hear. I was talking, just interrupt. We don't want to hear. But yes, anyway, that's what I was going to say.

We don't want to interfere with your domestic rouseman. No, no, no at all. No, I was just going to continue the last conversation, but we should move on. Love and stuff. And you may still have the reform press comments because it still hasn't started yet. Yes, we're expecting Nigel Farage to speak in the next few minutes. So it might come at the

tail end in your programme, might come at the start of arts. All right. It sounds great, whatever. And keep up the punch-ups, we enjoy it. Don't worry. There'll be a head butt next. Oh, my word. On camera. I think there's HR for that. Anyway, well, the reason we are, Tom and Nana

are still in there. It would be a head butt next on camera. I mean, he does have a problem with women. I'm sorry, I'm just looking at the live chat now, like Fiona Gregory's asked is Tom Howard Gay. And look, it's an interesting one actually because he's one of these trans extremists. And I find it very odd, who's never actually been honest about his own sexuality and sort of boasts about the fact that he loves sleeping with trans people and things like that. But I definitely think he does have an issue with women, which does come through in his own personal life.

Because it's not just Nana Require. look at his treatment of his ex co-presenter, who's now on maternity leave, Emily Carver. I do believe that there are transgender people who need to be treated with dignity and respect. Okay, sure, but does that mean they get to go in the women's category of pool? And win the competition?

Pool, as far as I am aware... And you don't know anything about this, I've looked it up. Pool is a game where you have balls on a felt service and you hit them with a stick, right? So I've actually read what female pool players say about this, and they say that men, biological males, have an advantage in pool because they are taller in general. They have a longer arm span.

They also have less wide hips, narrower hips, which apparently is an advantage to. Do you know how tall Harriet Haynes, who is the winner is? No, I don't, but I'm saying on average. Right, but is that out of... So if there is a woman who is six foot tall, Tom, Tom, you either have a female category or you don't, okay? So if you're arguing that we just have gender-neutral categories in all sports, fine.

I'm not. But otherwise you don't have a female category. I'm saying that there are some sports where it's absolutely inappropriate for people who went through male... But you don't know anything about Paul or anything about sports in general, do you? Should you ban a transgender woman from being a pistol shooting team? Wow, we're not talking about pistol shooting. If there's a Olympic sport... If there's female category, then yes, it should only be for biological females.

Chess? Same with that. If there's a female category. Why do you think women are worse at chess than men? I don't think women are worse at chess. If you have a female category, then you stick to it being female. If you have a male category, you stick to being male. What do you mean by female?

If you want no category. Yeah, I mean, the chat's exploding on this, Lily Langtree, saying, if Howard spoke to me like that, he'd regretted immediately from Simon Brandy. I reckon most gay men aren't trans extremists, old school game. men like Dan and Douglas Murray are more typical, in my opinion. And that's the thing. Hardwood doesn't actually define himself as being gay. He's in this weird, they, them, trans sort of place. And I do think there is a lot of misogyny that is connected to that. But to my superstar panel, two broadcasting legends and veterans, Mike Reed and Karen McGiff. And look, what I think is most

interesting about this McGiff, actually, is that I'm told the executives at GB News actually love it when the presenters hate each other. And this is something that has run through TV a lot in history, right? Sometimes you can actually get quite a good duo if the presenters don't like each other. Have you ever experienced that or seen that? What you're talking about in my broadcasting career? Well, not necessarily personally, but like, you know, at ITV, for example,

do you remember when Aymann Holmes and Anteaterna despised each other, for example. I guess the most famous example was Susanna Reid and Pearce Morgan. It's that sort of thing. Yeah, I think you're right. I think TV bosses love it. And I think they probably make it worse and stir things up. And they want these rows on air because they do spark conversation, I suppose,

amongst the viewers. And it's like that Miriam girl, she just said to keep having the puns. chup, you know, and they're all laughing about it. Like, it's really funny. And Tom Harwood is the most slimy, revolting, patronising little creep that I've ever seen on television. I can't watch him. It's like, you can see Nanakur is really pissed off with him.

And he just sits there with that stupid grin, laughing as if to say, ha, ha, ha, aren't we funny? But it's not funny. I find it quite uncomfortable to watch. But the TV bosses, they do love it. And they do it on purpose. purpose because people go, oh, I love watching these two. They're always at each other's throat. It's like, why would you want to watch that? I'd rather watch people who like each other, who get on well and have a bit of banter between them. Do you know what I mean? It's just insane.

And it does happen at GBA News. You're right about Bev Turner and Andrew Pierce. God, if ever, if ever there were a couple you knew hate each other. It was so obvious. And these two as well. And I think there are others. And, you know, I think it's deliberate. I think they do it on purpose. But no one would ever say, no, I'm not working with that person because they'd lose their job. So, you know, again.

Mike, read, the thing is, though, sometimes the ratings are good when the presenters hate each other. I mean, have you ever experienced anything like this? I've heard it on the radio. They used to be very adept at it on talk sport, winding people up with regards to use, because people are passionate about football. and they would drop a little bombshell in here and there.

People said, how dare Sonsor say that? I guess the ratings rocketed. But people were really annoyed at the things they said. And I think they just took the pin out of the grenade at various times and just dropped it in at the right moment. And it weren't. But I agree with Caroline. I find it uncomfortable.

I don't find it pleasant to watch. Maybe some people do, but I just find it uncomfort. You think, oh, stop, please. That said, I think there should be a lot more headbutting. punching and arm wrestling. Chinese burns, I think are always good, and a dead leg now and again, and an arm twist.

I think those would certainly pull in the ratings. Then we come to Sly News, right, which has just replaced its most popular show, the news at 10 and the press preview, because they are being totally thrashed every single day by GB News. So it was announced by Anna Botting, the long-term presenter who said goodbye to, night to Sky News at 10. It was made by the hard work of correspondence and crews in the UK,

etc, etc. And replaced by this new show called The Rap. And its first guests were two mainstream media dinosaurs, Sarah Vine and Kevin McGuire. I'm like, oh God, oh God, is this really what you think people want to watch? But it was slick, did have a nice new studio. Look at this. Well, hello, and Thank you for watching this, the first edition of the wrap. We'll get to our top story in just a moment, but first you've probably noticed a few things have changed. The old news at 10 o'clock behind me is gone, and we've got what I hope you agree is a very smart new studio.

Well, Kevin and Sarah are here too from the start of the show and with us throughout with their trademark strong views. Every night we will be joined by the very best commentators to explain the how and the why behind the biggest stories of the day. You can expect more analysis, more insight, more opinion, on the stories which matter most to you every night. We hope to keep it positive, upbeat too. There will be laughs along the way.

That is the wrap. Well, I look at Kevin Maguire and I go, we've changed the name, we've changed the location, we've changed the time, still can't shake you off. It's as bad as that. And Sarah, you're all right, sort of, you know, facing each other now. I know, we're not sitting next to each other anymore.

I can't kick him under the table quite so easily. Feel free to talk over me, I won't complain too much. Terrible time to start a new show as well, because let's face it, it's been a really good. quiet January. Venezuela was so long ago. Bad news is good news. Viewers were not impressed, William Gibson, writing this new rap news program on Sky News

should be renamed crap. They need real young personalities instead of the same glum faces we have been subjected to over the past few years. It needs new ideas. Come on Sky. Get it sorted. No wonder thousands aren't watching your news. Solent Road said, so the rap is sort of the news and the papers like before with

Anabotin and usual panellists. but with them sitting in different places and with annoying camera work that zooms in and out for no apparent reason. Yes, people were not happy with this camera work. Watch. Not having the local elections. Sorry, Kevin.

You can't criticize the Labour not, not, not Kevin, for not having the, you know, for sort of knocking back the local elections and then not have your own by-elections when you steal MPs from other parties. I think it's time. I think all the people who are sitting MPs who've gone to reform should now have by-elections.

and then the people, the local, maybe they'll win. It's very possible. And other viewers also weren't impressed with the set. One writing the rap already looks ridiculous, splitting the two same old guests on different sides of Anna. She's going to get whiplash as they start talking over each other like earlier in 2025.

When they weren't using the box, they had Anna on the left and guests on the right. And Tracy Dooley adding, and can you please, please, please keep the camera still? And preferably one screen to view. It's not a website very. disorientating, nausea-inducing, and has an amateurish feel to it all. So look, terrible reviews for this new Sly News show. But Mike Reed, what's interesting to me, I guess, about this is that I think

Sly, as I call them, believe that, you know, a posh studio and some slick graphics makes up for terrible content. And they woke in flirtation. And I just think actually what the independent media views is that viewers don't need all of these bells and whistles anymore. What's your view? No, you want the cake to be a solid cake and well-made. Whatever you put on the dressing, the tissueed fripper is just that. It's just dressing. And I agree with you about being on the same side. I mean, I do a lot of weekends away with talking pictures TV and sometimes I'm interviewing two people. And I don't want someone on either side because it's like you're watching a ping-pillar. match and you never know who's going to talk and you can't politely address both people at the same

time. So to have them both on the same side makes, as you rightly say, a lot more sense. I guess they like the symmetry of that and the whole new look of the set, but it doesn't make sense because you need to be able to address both people at the same time. Or indeed, as you know, both of you better than anybody, you can give somebody the eye without saying their name like you. So you've got control of it that way. Yeah, indeed. I mean, Carol, is there any hope for Sly News with their flash news show and their posh cameras? I think it's hilarious, actually. I think they're drunk on their own naivety and incompetence because just to have, listen to people criticizing the actual elements of the program are missing the point. The fact that Sky, Sly, sorry, get it right.

Yeah, that this is going to revamp their ratings. by giving this show a whole new look and making out that it's new. It's not. It's just a newspaper review show. That's it. And it's two hours long. And oh my God, it's just so, it's so boring. And when she keeps saying, oh, and there's going to be some laughs along the way,

and then you get this kind of, this sort of contrived sort of, oh, Kevin McGuire, I can't get rid of you. Oh, ha, ha, ha. Oh, it's hilarious. It's not. It's not funny at all. It's absolutely cringe. really embarrassing. And when you told me yesterday that we were going to talk about this and could I watch it, I didn't think I could, but I wasn't sleeping very well. And I woke up in the

middle of the night. I thought, I know, I'll try that app. It might be free. So I started watching it. I was asleep within 10 minutes. It was fantastic. I recommend it for that. You can't sleep. Get the crap on the on the iPad. It's bloody brilliant. Oh, it's shockingly sad. It's terrible. Okay, that is the most damning review possible, but absolutely fabulous review for Carol McGiffon, who is of course one of our regulars here on Outspoken, but also the host of What's Your Problem? The podcast. And Mike, Mike, where can people catch you these days? Oh, well, I do the record show on our own radio station, Heritage Chart Radio, which has been going for nearly six years.

and we have a TV show that's been going, goes around the world. It's a platform for heritage artists still making good music. And the program is like, the TV is like a new Top of the Pops. Do you know it's 20 years since Top of the Pops? 20 years since the very last one. So we put that out around the world, do talking pictures, just written a new musical on Budica, various things, keeping busy. Well, look, we love your work.

Please do come back to Outspoken very, very soon today. superstar panel Mike Reid and Carol McGiffon and of course do stand by because we will be revealing today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass shortly. But first, now it's time for the uncanceled interview. And the culture is changing. The culture is changing. I really feel it deep down. And I am so delighted to welcome to outspoken for the first time, the brilliant Holly Valance, who you will know for so many things, but including, of course, her fabulous former life

as one of the world's biggest pop stars. But when the Australian superstar politician Pauline Hanson asked her to contribute a brand new song, not Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss, but Kiss Kiss Kiss XX my ass, I don't even think Holly would have expected it to go straight to the top of the. charts. Watch this.

M. You will respect my... Now, this is from Pauline Hanson's new movie, which was released on Australia Day, a super progressive movie. There's more. There's more. Coup-plash, you bigot. Because I'm a real-golical, left-tee,

a real-golical, left-tee ideology. And guess what? Guess what? We've got to see a little bit more because it's now number one on the Australian charts. Watch. Oh my God, it is so good. Holly Valad, great to have you on outspoken for the first time. Tell me how this came about because it's become a viral sensation.

I'm still laughing because it was so accidental and it sort of just fell in organically. So I was in touch with the Pauline Hansen crew from Please Explain. She's got an animation series, which is like political satire that's on YouTube. It's really fun. And they said, would you? do like a little jingle about 20 seconds just to introduce the trans character Stacey but in the ilk of kiss kiss kiss and so i thought i could do that and i know that the the guys that actually wrote you know um that produced kiss kiss years ago and wrote kiss kiss were on our team so to speak

so i was like oh do you reckon we could do 20 seconds get back in the studio after 20 years or whatever it was um it was hilarious and then the guys that please explained really liked it and said actually can you finish the song because we might use it for the credits. And we had so much fun doing it. Like, hopefully not too many stones were left unturn and we've offended everyone equally. Is it immature? Yes. Is it petty? Also yes. But it was really, really good fun. And to go to number one on the iTunes chart is hysterical to me. I went to bed and woke up and there it was. Yeah, totally. And I think it's maybe something that has that real. wild Australian sense of humour, right? Because

Aussies are totally like unleashed, I think, when it comes to comedy. It was tight. Yeah, they are. And they're great. They've got fantastic sense of humour. It was time for Australia Day. So it was a particularly touchy moment because depending on where you sit, people disagree with keeping Australia Day on the date that it is, which is why the reference to Welcome to Country, it's not your land. Well, whose is it then? It's your wife's boyfriend, which is my new. favorite. You know, your mom.

So it was well time for that, but I think it travels quite nicely. Hopefully we'll bring it over here now. Well, yeah, because of course, look, there has been really heartbreaking moments in Australia, of course, over the past few weeks. Pauline Hanson was here the other day talking all about that massacre on Bondi Beach. And of course, all of a sudden, this woman, Holly, who for so long, and you know, this as someone who grew up in Australia, a similar generation to me. She was demonised this woman. I mean, they tried to destroy her. They even sent her to jail. But actually, she has

been completely consistent in her political views. And all of a sudden... She's unbelievable. Her strength is insane. Imagine if we listened to her in 1997 where we'd be now. 100%. But it does feel like there has been a fundamental change. And Australians are backing her now because she went to Bondi the day after the massacre. You know, you've got Anthony Albanese, the Prime Minister being booed, yet Pauline Hansen greeted as a hero. So I do just wonder if you think this is indicative of the change that's happening across the West, what you see in Australia.

I think, yeah, I think there's big changes happening. Hopefully Australia can save itself a little bit like the UK. We can hope and pray. Let's see, there's a few more years to go of this mess, though. I know. I mean, we've been speaking quite a lot. on the show today about how it really does take balls to be someone in the entertainment industry and then get political. And I always give credit to people who do so. So John Cleese,

I'm not a supporter of him. He's not a supporter of me. We sit on other sides of the political spectrum. But this week, he has spoken out on the issue of Islam and said, actually, this shouldn't be a left-right issue. There's the post. Several followers seem to think that being critical of Islam is right-wing. I can assure them that being appalled and indeed disgusted by female genital mutilation and child marriage is not restricted to right-wingers. We've seen Ricky Javis and J.K. Rowling do similar when it comes to the trans debate. For you, when was it that you decided, okay, I'm not going to stay silent like so many of my contemporaries? Well, I'm not really in the industry. I don't really see myself as being in the industry. I'm a,

you know, stay-at-home mom and have been for a long time and I don't work for anybody. I don't answer to a network. You know, I don't have a record company. So I'm in a better position than a lot of people. I've got so many friends at very, very top of film and TV that think exactly the way I do, but would never say anything out loud. And it just really frustrates me because just like be the first Domino, you know, be at the top of your game on the biggest TV show in the country or, you know, A-list movie star and start it because people are just frightened about the backlash and I don't think we have time for that anymore. No, and I mean, look, we're looking at some of your greatest hits, Holly.

There we were at the United Kingdom Rally, which I will come to, but I guess that comes a little bit further down the path because first up, I guess it was that meeting with Donald Trump and then you really did support Reform UK. How do you feel about what's been happening with reform lately? Are you still a supporter? Because I guess someone like me voted for reform at the last election, certainly had a lot of hope in Nigel Fridge, but I'm a bit in the Elon Musk camp of,

God, they've sort of become quite weak source. Yeah, I have to, I have to, you know, I have a lot of time and respect for night. Joel and I think his foresight has been insanely good and I'm trusting that he's going to get it right again. There's a few picks that obviously I wouldn't agree with. I think it's a real shame that Rupert's gone. I have a lot of time for Rupert. I think he's an amazing man. I think Ben Habib's fantastic. Yeah, I think that was a shame. Huge shame. But let's see, let's see what happens because if we don't all band together by the next election, this is all over.

So you think there has to be some way for the right to... Somehow we have to get aligned and put egos aside and to do things to the greater good of the country or are screwed. And that includes Restore Britain, Advance UK. I think it includes all of them on that side of things. Everyone's going to have to suck it up. And then we had this... It was an incredible day, wasn't it?

An absolutely incredible day for the United Kingdom Rally. I saw you there. I was so delighted to see you there. And what was so amazing about this event, Holly, is that you know it brought together all walks of life from the United Kingdom. And there was only positivity in the air. I think most people who were there talk about it as been one of those days that they will never forget for as long as they live, because it did feel like something was changing on the streets. So how surprised were you to see the despicable mainstream media use your appearance? there as some type of stick to beat you with it.

I mean, like there were headlines all around the world about it as if you had committed some type of sin by attending Unite the Kingdom. Yeah, I know I give off the look of a far right thug, but... So much, so hard. Lots of very regular people there that were patriots that want to come out and support and who love the nation. And it was a very multi-ethnic march as well, which I was. It was really cool.

I had a lot of girlfriends that wanted to come that day that, you know, didn't, for whatever reason, they were frightened out of it or what have you. And it was a shame. But it was massive. And there was three million people there, whether you like it or not. Yes, there was. So all the headlines can say, whatever they like, we know we were there. And for every person that was there, they had three or four that wanted to be there. And those are some big numbers. Exactly. And May 16th is the next one. So let's bump those numbers up. Will you be there again? Yeah, for sure. And then we saw the picture with some of my good friends as well,

Elizabeth Fox and Lawrence Fox and Tommy Robinson. And all of a sudden, of course, the MSM again go into a hysteria, Holly and what, try to suggest that there's something going on and there's terrible leaks about you to the Daily Mail, suggesting that you're like irresponsible or something, something? What do you want to say about it? It was all a bit silly. Look, and funnily enough, we're all on a big chat together and Tommy put it on the chat.

He's like, is this piss take? My friends just said this. Is this real? And I'm looking at it going, nah, someone's done some weird AI thing because it was just funny to us. So we had a good laugh about it and it's an in joke now. It's nothing for me. I mean, he's a great guy. A lot of time and respect for him.

We're not dating. There you go. But of course, you are now single, I guess. How has that been? Because you did have this marriage, Nick Candy, who is the treasurer of Reform UK. And I imagine it must be difficult, both personally and politically when you go through something like that. I think you can make it as as you want to make it. Like, I'm a pretty reasonable kind of person. People break up all day long. you know, the 7 billion people in the world, probably half of them will divorce at some point. There's nothing unique about my situation. And I've got two healthy, beautiful children.

I've got my health. You know, I'm relatively young. So, you know, you just get on with life. This is not some horrific life-changing event. It's a path change, for sure. But I'm good. And when you see what's going on around the United Kingdom, Holly, and let's be honest, this is not the country.

that we both first settled in from down under. We have to be honest about that. We love it, right? I mean, I'm English. I chose to move here when I was 21 years old. I absolutely fell in love with the city and I've chosen to live in London. That has been my choice for so many years

and I do want to fight for this city and fight for this country. But as a mum, because I'm not a parent, How difficult is that to... It's terrifying. You're thinking about what your kids... You're just constantly plotting about where could we go if we can't be here any longer? Where do we go?

Where are we allowed to be from? You know, it's like we're some aliens that don't actually come from anywhere. You know, and I don't think... You know, a multi-ethnic society to an extent can work, but a multicultural one, absolutely not. No, it's failed, hasn't it? And I think London is like a war. A talking talking example of the failure of multiculturalism. Yeah.

And it's, you know, this utopian idea that this all works and everyone just gets along nicely and it's all kumbaya is just an absolute crock. Well, indeed, because we saw in these protests, by the way, around Whitechapel, that actually the Islamists didn't want the support of these guys, the hard left. That's what I think is so interesting. It's like the hard left don't understand. those Islamas are not on your side. They hate us.

They hate you because you're a woman. They hate me because I'm a gay man. Yeah. Yeah, that one doesn't really fly. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. So where do you see it ending up? God knows.

I didn't want to think about it. No. It depresses me. It keeps me up at night. I do worry about it. I think we've demonized men for so long and then our own men, I mean. And then now we're like, oh, come my boys, you know, fix it.

You look after us. And it's like, well, they're off having soy lattes for the most part. Exactly. Oh, but by the way, we want you to go and fight and be the boots on the ground in the Ukraine. You've told men they can't be men and you've emasculated them. And it's like, you know, now we're in big trouble. And so we need to stop doing that and like back our men. How do you feel about the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?

Oh, Christ. It's a terrifying state of affairs. I don't know how we're going to do another three years of this. No, I know. It really, really is. It really is. Well, look, I think it is amazing that you are speaking out. I know you say that, oh, you know, I'm not too much.

But actually, you are. You really are. It's not really. It's just like, if you take the piss out of something, then it different. The inflates the whole issue, I think. I want things start becoming the butt of all jokes. And the funny thing is, you're an openly gay man who's had me on after, you know,

were you fetal this morning when you heard the song, Dan? Oh, my God. I was traumatized. No, I found it the most hilarious thing. But I honestly think this is one of the issues with the left and with the woke mob. They don't laugh. They live in a world that is totally devoid of any fun. because everything has to be PC, everything has to be woke.

And that's why I love this song. I love that it is back in the charts. I hope you do more. And actually, maybe a UK version, Holly? Maybe a performance at United Kingdom. Oh, it would be so good. Thank you. Yeah.

Thank you for supporting it. And it's great. And we should all have a laugh at ourselves sometimes because things have gotten completely out of control and ridiculous over the last few years. and the only way is to laugh. No, you have to. And thank you for coming on outspoken because obviously I've been asking you for a very long time, Holly.

So I'm delighted that you're here and come back soon. Thank you so much. That is Holly Valance. And of course, kiss kiss, kiss, X, X, my ass available to stream right now. And the whole thing is absolutely hilarious. And the Pauline Hanson movie, by the way, is something that we should all watch. is available on streaming. Okay, we're going to reveal today's greatest Britain and union jackass in just one moment.

First, though, so much feedback coming in from you on this decision for Matt Goodwin to be the candidate in the by-election. Simon Brandy says Matt Goodwin could be a prime minister in waiting. I much prefer him to Nigel. Matt could be our J.D. Vance. But Helen O.D. says, careful, Nigel, your party put it about that Rupert Lowe has dementia, hypocrisy much. from Michael Cleland. If they make Suella a victim, they can distract from all the other crap they are doing. And Christine Mary says, Tommy Robinson is the only person who has never backtracked and has remained true to his beliefs. Question from Ian Medford, by the way. Whatever happened to that big Rupert Loew announcement,

I guess, I'm guessing that he thought starting a new party would get a much more positive response than it did. Ian, I wouldn't actually take that as read. My understanding is that talks are absolutely still going on, but what you do have to remember is there are two big things happening in the life of Rupert Lowe, first the rape gang inquiry in February, then the Great Yarmouth First Party running in the local May elections. But do I think that Rupert Lowe has just decided to step back? Absolutely not. So I would say watch this space. And of course, I will be keeping on this story. A reminder of your union jackass nominees, Judge Normal Shant, nominated by Anna Island after telling a jury not to be told that a Pakistani national who raped a teenage girl in a park was an asylum seeker. Ed Milibad nominated by Thomas W3033 for what he's done in regards to net zero, or nut zero, as I call it, and Shamanamamu nominated by Scott Fly 23 for the fact that she is just not reading the room on deportations.

and the results are in with 23% of the vote, Judge Nirmal Shant, with 33% of the vote, Ed Miliband, but the winner of today's worst Britain in the world, our union jackass with 44% of the vote, Shabana MacMood. And there could only be one greatest Britain after today's show. It's Holly Valance, nominated by Real McCass, who says her amazing song, Kiss Kiss X X, My Ass, which was released on Australia Day and has reached number one on the Apple Music, tune's best-selling song charts, soaring ahead of Harry Styles.

Great show today. Thank you for your company, but we are moving on to Substack now for the Royal Uncanceled After Show, where the horror of Prince Harry's miserable life in Montecito has been exposed by a damning new feature revealing a kept man who hardly leaves the prison of Megan Markle's mansion. We'll have analysis from Harry's biographer, our Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin. That is over on Substack, www.org.org.org. I'll see you tomorrow. 5pm, UK time, Midday Eastern, 9 and Pacific. Remember, we are available as a podcast now, which you can subscribe to on Apple Podcasts. Spotify. We're available on video on Spotify. Or just wherever you get your podcast, actually. But the main thing is to rate and review, please. And hit subscribe. Keep our count going up.

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