Dan Wootton Outspoken - ISLAM TAKEOVER OF REFORM AS NIGEL FARAGE POACHES TORY MUSLIM VACCINE PUSHER NADHIM ZAHAWI

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

BREAKING TODAY: Reform UK is now the party of Islam with Nigel Farage unveiling the Baghdad-born Boriswave Tory Muslim Nadhim Zahawi as their most high profile defection yet at a glossy press conference today forgetting that he’d previously told Dan he was a politician with no principles all about climbing the greasy pole. Oh and Zahawi had also said Farage was a dangerous Nazi. But there is so much wrong about failed Conservative Zahawi now being at the heart of Reform. He was the vaccine pusher in chief for God’s sake. Mr Net Zero. Mr Mass Immigration. Mr Establishment. Indeed, he even said he wants mass immigration to continue to the UK so new citizens can send money BACK to where they’ve come from. And, after ex-Tory Muslim Laila Cunningham with the Islamic tattoo last week, Dan will outline how this is now a deliberate capitulation to Islam in his Digest. Meanwhile, we have a lunatic dictator in charge of our Disunited Kingdom, with Slippery Starmer actually spending all his time plotting with fellow leftist nutters like Anthony Albanese in Australia to ban X just like the Iranian Islamic regime whose overthrow he can’t be bothered talking about… We'll get reaction from the brilliant Carol McGiffin and Beau Dade, host of the Lotus Eaters new morning show Breakfast with Beau. PLUS: The collapse of ITV Daytime as the mainstream media is beautifully punished for its destruction of Britain, with Good Morning Britain and Loose Women now facing the end. AND: The independent media couldn’t be stronger, however, with the right wing breakfast war between Mike Graham, Jeremy Kyle and Beau Dade kicking off. Beau will be here to reveal all about the Lotus Eaters and his fascinating ride from Reform UK candidate to one of Britain’s most outspoken broadcasters. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: The truth about Meghan Markle’s shocking return to Britain as we team up with the Royal News Network. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Witten. This is outspoken episode number 4002 and breaking today. Reform UK is now the party of Islam. With Nigel Farage unveiling the Baghdad born Boris Wave Tory Muslim, Nadine Zahawi, as their most high-profile defection yet at a glossy press conference today. Forgetting that he had previously told me he was abolition with no principles all about climbing the greasy pole. And Zahawi had also described Farage as a dangerous Nazi. I thought Zahari had principles. Tonight we learn he's just about climbing that greasy pole, as so many of them are. Very disappointed indeed. And Mr Farage, if I may as well, in 2022,

when Adim Zahari was appointed chancellor, you said, I thought Zahari had principles, but tonight we learned all he's interested in is climbing that greasy pot. Are you no greasing that poll for your new body? Well, if you see, if you look at the clip, you will see that I profess to be a fan. He did. I'm very publicly said I'm a big supporter of this guy. Sure, Jan.

But there is so much wrong about failed Conservatives Zahari now being at the heart of reform. He was the vaccine pusher in chief, for God's sake. Mr. Net Zero. Mr. Mass immigration, Mr. Establishment. Indeed, he even says one of the reasons he is behind so many foreigners coming to the UK is that so citizens can send money back to where they came from. So significant cuts to immigration would cut off a major financial lifeline to the world's poorest, resulting in stronger demand for government aid.

And after ex-tory Muslim Leila Cunningham with the Islamic tattoo last week, please do not tell me this is now not a double. deliberate capitulation to Islam. I want to send my good wishes for Aida al-Athah. The Muslim community have been a true force for our efforts to combat the pandemic of COVID-19. Vaccination centres set up in mosques at the very heart of Muslim communities. Meanwhile, we have a lunatic dictator in charge of our disunited kingdom with slippery Stama all his time plotting with fellow leftist nutters like Anthony Alberdezzi in Australia

to ban X, just like the Iranian Islamic regime. Who's overthrothed, by the way, he can't be bothered talking about. It's disgusting and it's not to be tolerated. X has got to get a grip of this and Offcom have at full support to take action in relation this. This is wrong, it's unlawful, we're not going to tolerate it. I've asked for all options to be on the table. It's disgusting. Prime Minister Kirstama has certainly raised of what has occurred on the social media platform X. The use of generative artificial intelligence to exploit or sexualize people without their consent is abhorrent. I know that the East

Safety Commissioner is looking at this. It might be. It might be. It might be. but you don't give a damn about any of the other big tech giants that are doing exactly the same thing. So I'll cover it all next in my digest. Then we get reaction from the brilliant Carol McGithen. Also coming up on the show today, the collapse of ITV daytime as the mainstream media is beautifully punished for its destruction of Britain, with Good Morning Britain and loose women now facing the end. The independent media couldn't be stronger, however, with the right-wing breakfast war between Mike Graham, Jeremy Kyle and Bowie. Dade kicking off, Bo!

We'll be here to reveal all about the Lotus Eaters and his fascinating ride from Reform UK candidate to one of Britain's most outspoken broadcasters. Then, in the Uncanceled After Show, which is over on Substact, the truth about Megan Markle's shocking return to Britain as we team up with the Royal News Network. You can sign up to watch after the main show

at www.outspoken.org. It's also the first greatest Britain and union jackass of the week. Here are your nominees for the worst Britain in the world today. Dame Melanie Dawes. by Real Mick Cash. She's the boss of the off-communist and he says for leading an institution passed its sell-by-date, full of leftist activists, got too much power, especially with the implementation of the Online Safety Act. Is it a l'oak shot nominated by Chuffsey for bigging up the decision for Nadine Zahawi to join Reform UK like she does every time Reform offend their supporters? Look, there she is. She said, Nigel Farage's newest recruit is extremely well-connected.

across the Middle East, and Bushra Sheikh, nominated by the Gryft Report, who has been caught lying again, and community noted, I wonder why she would lie. Could it have been her visit to Iran a few months ago? Hmm, intriguing. I imagine it probably is. So three interesting choices there, get voting, keep your comments, and during the show, I'll read out the best before we go today. But now, let's go. Even Reform UK loyalists I have spoken to today, have had had enough now. It's no longer possible to justify. Not only the capitulation to Islam, I mean, Nigel Farage's party is now, by design, a Muslim party, with a Muslim London Merrill candidate and Leila Cunningham and a Muslim successor as leader in the truly dangerous

Zia Yusuf. But today's bombshell defection from Baghdad-born Boris Wai, Nut Zero, COVID-Torri, mass immigration and vaccine pushing Nadeem Zaharwe represents so much more than that. Good morning, everyone. I'm here today to tell you all, and of course the British people that Britain needs reform. Britain needs Nigel Farage as Prime Minister. I know this may come as a surprise to my old party and to many Westminster watchers, but it really shouldn't. And it certainly won't come as a shock to the tens of millions of hardworking, patriotic, decent people. up and down our wonderful United Kingdom. Zahawi at the heart of reform means the deep state is back in charge. It means reform is no different than the rest of the political establishment.

So many of their supporters trust it to fight against. It means the COVID orthodoxy. That's so many of us. Risked everything to battle at great personal and professional cost is now back in the room. And that is unforgivable. I will not defend it simply because I'm told, Oh, Reform UK is the only hope, Dan, it's the only hope. If you think this is real hope, then I would love to see what despondency means to you.

This guy, Zahawi, even called for a one-off amnesty for every single illegal immigrant in the UK. He wants every single illegal here to stay. So this is the real Nadim Zahawi, revealed in part by his own words, on X over many years. He said, I'm not British born, Mr Nigel Farage. I am as British as you are. Your comments are offensive and racist. I would be frightened to live in a country run by you. Farage has won for political office six times. I mean, an MEP for 15 years. He's an establishment as they get. When asked if it ever defect, no chance being a conservative all my life and will die a conservative, he said. Then let's take a look at what type of political being here.

He is. Oh, thank you. Happy Pride Month, he posted. And then a lot about his Muslim faith. Wishing Ramadan Mubarak to all those marking the beginning of the Holy Month. Ramadan, Kareem, fasting and remembering those less fortunate is a blessing, he said. Following on from my ICC org visit to learn about their important work to combat hate crimes, I had a productive discussion with Muslim stakeholders from education charities and business sectors the first in a series of planned meetings to discuss Muslim community issues. Happy Islamic New Year. I mean, I think you sort of get it by now.

We are told, of course, that we should ask no questions of Laila Kani Namziyya, Yusuf and Nadim Sahawi, of how their Islamic faith influences their politics. And with given Tikia, that concept that Muslims can lie to get ahead politically, to their faith, whether that means we can ever trust them. Here was Zahawi addressing his Muslim community during Convid. I want to send my good wishes for Aida al-Adha. The Muslim community have been a true force for our efforts to combat the pandemic of COVID-19. And I'm grateful for your support over this challenging 17 months.

period. I've seen firsthand the testing and vaccination centers set up in mosques at the very heart of Muslim communities, the support offered to those most at risk from the virus and of course the efforts to combat this virus by the community. But I also wish to acknowledge the sacrifices made by many Muslims, many Muslim families, and to recognize those hurting from the loss of their loved ones, this Aed al-Adha. As we move cautiously to living with COVID-19, I'm sure that this moment to celebrate with family and community will be more important than ever, and many will look forward to when Hajj can once again be made. For now, I thank you, wish you safe celebrations and Eid Mubarak.

Thank you very much indeed. Well, Tommy Robinson has weighed in saying, with recent news of Nadim Zahawi appointment at Reform UK, it's clear that this party is needed. This is referring to advance UK more than ever. A pro-lockdown, pro-force vaccine mandate, Muslim politician born in Iraq, should not be part of any party that wants to put British people first. The thing is, Zahawi and Farage are opposed to each. other. But their lust for power is undeniable. I mean, this is what Nigel actually told me when I was on TV news about Zahawi. I'm disappointed in the extreme, Dan. I thought Zahawi was one of those people that could replace Boris Johnson to break us out of the old Etonian mould, to get somebody

different, somebody who'd succeeded in private business before politics. I thought Zahari had principles. Tonight we learn he's just about climbing that greasy pole, as so many of them are. Very disappointed indeed. Oh, and today those comments, they were just a big joke. Watch. And Mr Farage, if I may as well, in 2022, when Nadim Zahari was appointed Chancellor, you said, I thought Zaharwe had principles, but tonight we learned all he's interested in is climbing that greasy pole. Are you now greasing that pole for your new poll? Well, if you see, If you look at the clip, you will see that I profess to be a fan. You did?

I very publicly said, I'm a big supporter of this guy. And I actually, I mean, there was a period of time when I thought, you know, perhaps, perhaps, if he became the leader of the Conservative Party, things might start to look a little different. So I was a fan, openly, publicly professed fan. I was disappointed that he decided to join what I saw as a failing government at that moment in time. I've always been a fan of his. Rob, I think you walked into that one. But thank you, Nigel, and thank you for the compliment. But look, ultimately, I reiterate again,

I wouldn't be sitting next to Nigel if he thought that what we did on vaccine was in some way a failure. Quite the opposite. He's always said to me that what we were able to do was to harness the best of Britain, both from outside the civil service and from this. civil service. I mean, it's unbelievable. The Reform UK grassroots there are actually with me on this. By the way, it seems the reasons Sahari changed his mind on those things that he had claimed in the tweets

is because he was denied a perage in recent months by the Tories over his tax scandal. Thank you, Catherine Forster GB News. Nadine Sahari, a few years ago, you tweeted, I'm not British born, Mr Nigel Farage. I am as British as you are. Your comments are offensive and racist. I would be frightened to live in a country run by you. Why the change of heart? And this was 2015.

Oh, quite recently then, thank you. Well, just asking about the change of heart. Good on you for digging out a tweet from 11 years ago. But all I would say to you is if I thought this man sitting next to me was in any way, had an issue with people of my colour or my background who have come to this country, who have integrated, assimilated, proud of this country, worked hard for this country, paid millions of pounds in taxes in this country, invested in the country, I wouldn't be sitting next to him.

And I think he wouldn't be sitting next to me either. But there's actually something far more serious and much more sinister about Sahawi being parachuted right into the centre of Reform UK. On every major issue for which the Tories destroyed the country, he has been on the wrong side. On mass immigration, for example, he has actually advocated for it to continue in order to allow foreigners to send money out of our country and funnel it back to their homeland. The UK remits more than two billion pounds overseas every year. Some of the poorest economies like Somalia are entirely dependent on money remitted by the Somali diaspora. Unlike official aid, remittances between family can't be embezzled or misspent by corrupt regimes. So

significant cuts to immigration would cut off a major financial lifeline to the world's poorest resulting in stronger demand for government aid. And then we come to Convid, where Zahari's role was sinister. Yet today, both Sahawi and Farage made it clear they have no issues with the biggest mistake by the globalist class in world history. Just remember Sahari was the man behind the mass rollout of the jabs. You know, talking about the vaccine rollout, remembering, Maybe the Prime Minister is watching.

We were only able to do what we did in the speed that we did it because we were not members of the European Union and all the associated medical bodies. All right? And that all seems to have been forgotten. We had the freedom to move and to act. And what the Dean proved during that is this bloke gets stuff done. And if we head on and win the next general election,

we're going to have a lot of stuff to do, including him. Thank you. But Zahawi is a liar too. During Convid, he promised me vaccine passports would never exist. What about folk who just don't feel comfortable taking it? Are you really suggesting that businesses should be able to bar them from going out for dinner simply because they choose not to have the vaccine? Absolutely not.

And I addressed this yesterday at the Spectator event. we will not be having immunity passports at all. Oh, really? Really? Look at what happened. Successful trial, we have rolled out the NHS COVID pass. This allows people safely and securely to demonstrate their COVID status, whether it's proof of vaccination status, test results or natural immunity. Anyone can access a pass via the NHS app, the NHS website, or by calling 119 and asking for a letter to demonstrate vaccine status. And back to today, I want to show you an astonishing moment at this press conference.

Look at how Zahawi responded to a question about health concerns caused by the Jabs. Hello, Tony's live from the Telegraph. Mrs. Harwee, on this point about COVID vaccines, I hear the point about free speech, but the doctor previously mentioned told Reforms Conference that the vaccines that you rolled out may have caused the King's cancer. And he was described by David Bull as someone who worked with him to write Reforms Health Policy. So do you reject those views? And if they have shaped Reforms Health Policy, will you try to change it? I think you'll find David Bull actually spoke about vaccines on Friday night at our event that we held down at the Excel Center with just shy of 3,000 people.

launching our London campaign and I think you'll find if you look at what Dr David Bull, our chairman, said how proud he was of the work actually for centuries that London had done and led the way in with vaccines and as Nadine said previously we get all sorts of speakers from all over the world some of whom have different opinions.

Can I just come in for Tony? I expect more from you. That was a really stupid question and it doesn't even deserve an answer to try again next time. Right, Dan Bloom, Dan Bloom Politico. I'm the nice guy here, you know. I mean...

What a disgusting response from Zahawi. It doesn't even deserve an answer. Tell that to Alex Mitchell without his goddamn leg. Now, that answer even caused Reform UK to lose its number one propagandist June Slater, who posted, if this stupid man Zahawi cannot segregate the difference between the COVID gene therapy and other established vaccines, then he simply displays the arrogance and contempt he's always had. By the way, for those of you who say I'm wrong to question and challenge Reform UK and Nigel Farage's leftward swing,

this weekend, the Sunday Times finally followed up on my reporting over Christmas that Donald Trump has also lost faith in his way. once-closed friend. Josh Glancy reported that government sources in the US say that Trump has totally lost faith with Barrage. He doesn't believe he's for real. That is a Trump source with deep links to the administration. But Stam's close to relationship with Trump is about to be torpedoed as our tin pot dictator of a prime minister pushes forward with a truly insane. ban on Elon Musk's X. Just look at the deranged joy in our historically unpopular PM's eyes when he's talking about this. Something, by the way, we have never seen from him in regards to, oh, I don't know, the mass rape of white girls by Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. Disgraceful. It's disgusting.

And it's not to be tolerated. X has got to get a grip of this. And Offcom have at 4 support to take action in relation to this. This is wrong, it's unlawful, we're not going to tolerate it. I've asked for all options to be on the table. It's disgusting. An ex need to get their act together and we will take action on this because it's simply not tolerable. Australia's useless hard-lived PM Anthony Albanesey on board to watch. The issue where Prime Minister Kirstama has certainly raised of what has occurred, on the social media platform X. The use of generative artificial intelligence

to exploit or sexualise people without their consent is abhorrent. I know that the East Safety Commissioner is looking at this. The fact that this tool was used so that people were using its image creation function for through GROC is, I think, just completely Barron. It once again is an example of social media not showing social responsibility.

I mean, the lack of total outrage from the political and media class about these two wanting to ban the world's biggest news service is chilly. The UK has become a prison island. US accounts scream. Elon Musk rightly asks, why is the UK government so fascist. And remember, he supports Musk, supports the British people. Not the Prime Minister, but he supports the British people. Watch. You don't have a choice. You have to fight. So you have to rally the whole, all of the people of the Britain to fight for the future. Let me ask the people of Britain. There won't be a future.

Are you ready to fight for your future, Britain? Fight for your future Do it, go! Will we be gagged any longer, Britain? Go, go, go! But what can't Stama stand? The fact that he is exposed to the world every damn day on X,

like for saying that climate change is the reason fighting age Muslim men are travelling to the UK from across the world illegally. As Basil the Great posted, is he lying, or is he lying? terminally thick. Musk replied, copying and I find retards writing, yeah, that's not the reason. What? I think we need to look at every aspect of illegal migration. Upstream, looking at the causes, which of course are often poverty, climate change, persecution, look at the causes.

But this is super serious. America is already looking at sanctions on the UK for its stance, with Slim Pre Stama today backing the off-communists if they do propose a bad. Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain has promised legal action announcing having consulted with our legal team over the weekend, we have decided that if Labor does try to ban X, Restore Britain will fight them in the courts. We will fund the legal battle to stop Stama. And Tommy Robinson has promised street action writing, if they ban X, we descend on Parliament. This is a truly terrifying time, though. And I hope you agree with me how terrifying it is that the mainstream media aren't talking about this, as Sophie Kekoran spelled out,

my government is trying to ban X, their scrapping jury trials, they're canceling elections. Britain's becoming the dictionary definition of a dictatorship. We need the likes of Donald Trump to stand up for the Brits and stand up against Stama and his tyrannical government. And that's why today I also say, shame on you, Kemi Badernock, the leader of the Conservative Party,

for using this moment to propose a... ban on social media for all under 16s. News flash to you, Kemi. This is a tactic being used by the Australian government at the moment to control free speech. It's not about protecting children, it's about shutting down free speech, as the barrister Stephen Barrett put it. Sad to see the Conservative Party is on board with controlling authoritarianism. We've had 30 years of it. It's solved none of the real problems and simply taken away our freedoms. So on this issue, Nigel Farage is actually right. Watch.

The thought of banning X from a government that's been attacking free speech and creating a two-tier society in our country, frankly, is appalling. Look, this feature clearly is horrible in every way, distasteful, sick. I get all of that. I know that X today have made some changes to say only paying subscribers can use the service. X will need to go further. but the thought of banning platforms. I mean, what is happening in 21st century of Britain?

And then the follow-up, you've supported victims of grooming gangs and sexual base violence. Will you also take a stand against X as it is allowing these degrading images on their platform? Look, I think the whole grooming gangs scandal, and here we are in London where it's yet to be uncovered in the opinion of Reformer UK. Of course, what is happening with this capacity on X is monstrous. but banning X is not the answer, talking to them and saying we can't live with this, that's the way forward. And then finally, we've seen on X as well some quite abusive comments to Leila Cunningham. And I just wondered what your view is on that specifically.

Yeah, I'm afraid that Leila has had to endure quite a high degree of really quite unpleasant, racist abuse. It's horrible, it's nasty. I have spoken to her about it and said, look, just ignore it. Keep going, keep doing what you're doing. I'm afraid X is a free speech platform. There are many things that are said on it that are deeply offensive, but that doesn't mean it should be banned. But here's the problem, Nigel.

Given who you're bringing in to run your party, I can't take those words seriously anymore. So Zia Yusuf on X posted, never forget Starmers's authoritarian attempts to ban X in the UK are made possible by the online safety act, passed into law by the Tories. but he was quickly humiliated by talk host Peter C. Barnes, who reminded him, this would have more sting if you hadn't welcomed Nadine Dorees,

the Secretary of State who introduced the bill to Parliament to fireworks and a media frenzy about how wonderful she is. Also, Lee Anderson was one of 37 MPs who pushed for the bill to be strengthened. Danny Kruger was a vocal supporter of the bill at the time that it was in Parliament. Recent effect to Jonathan Gulles pushed for the bill, as did Jake Berry, Andrea Jenkins, and David Jones. So come on. This is a wake-up moment. It is a wake-up moment. Even the propagandists understand.

Even Lee Hurst, even June Slater understand. Reform UK. As Elon must put it, weak source. We deserve better. We need better. Carol McGiffin is up now. Carol, I mean, Nadim Zahawi. At the heart of Reform UK,

the Muslim vaccine pusher in chief. I mean, it's done, isn't it? I mean, this is a decision which shows Reform UK is not what lots of people hope it is. Well, I don't like to say to people I told you so, but I did say to you quite a long time ago that I really didn't trust anything about reform. And this has really sort of cemented that opinion.

I can't, if people can't see it now, and I was going on Twitter today, sorry, X, and looking at what people were saying about it. Hardcore reform supporters, I don't know, they seem to be kind of a little bit brainwashed, or they're hypnotised by something. They really can't see what's going on within reform right now. And he is, like, yeah, at that press conference,

and he said to that journalist, it doesn't even deserve an answer. I mean, what a patronising, what a horrible person to be in a political party. And being a Muslim as well and also being the vaccine pusher when he said earlier that Britain is sick and it's in danger from radical Islam. And you just go, no, the country is sick because you push the vaccine onto everybody. And loads of people are sick from the vaccine. And he doesn't, he won't even acknowledge that. I mean, no, I'm, I'm.

They're worse. They're worse than I ever thought they would ever be. And Nigel Farage is a horrible disappointment to be bringing all these people on board with reform. And I don't know. I mean, maybe they will still win the next election because there are still people, a lot of people still saying,

well, you know, reform, if we get reforming, then it will break the three-party, you know, the uni party. But they're part of it now. They are part of it. And whoever is pulling the strings of all the other three, parties, all they were, they're now pulling reform strings, I think. So, no. Nigel keeps saying, Nigel keeps saying, oh, we need experience, not experience from people like this. You don't want that experience. That's the whole point. You want outsiders who are

going to do the total opposite. Yeah, when Nigel Farage first started, he had all the right things. He said all the right things. Like, you know, people need to have had a job, then he's being busy. Okay, Ned Deem, so how he has. But it was, you know, and he was all for Britain and, you know, anti-immigration and all the right things. And he just seems to be capitulating every five minutes. So it does make me think that a lot of people who didn't have a good word to say about Farage, even though now they think he's, you know, oh, he's in reform. He's going to be the next Prime Minister, we need, even the team said today, we need Farage. It's like, a couple of years ago, you wouldn't give them the time and day.

Most of them wouldn't even acknowledge Nigel Farage's existence. Well, more than that, Carol, more than that, he goddamn said, you're a danger. And compared him to gerbils, you know, what changed? Power, power, power. They can sniff power, power corrupts, and it makes me sick. I, they all make me sick. Watching all of those clips you just played, I was really feeling quite bilious watching it.

They are such revolting people. They would do anything to be in power. They would go back on everything that they've said in the past. And it's great that people are going back on their Twitter accounts and searching for things that they might have said. And okay, yeah, I agree. People can change their minds and the facts change and the opinions change and you can change your mind.

But going that far back is just so hypocritical. They will do anything. They're all grifters. Every single one of them. They've got no integrity whatsoever. The only people that have are Rupert Lowe, maybe and Ben Habib actually, that's it. There's no one else to vote for. This lot, they're just like, they're the part of the Uniparty with a purple tie.

And Carol, then you have our tin pot dictator. to Stama, advocating for a ban on X, empowering the off-communist to ban X. Now, Carol, I had, you know, I always look at the mainstream media during the day, and I had GB News on earlier. And on GB News, one of their presenters was saying, oh, well, maybe, you know, they shouldn't ban X, but they should just ban GROC. The off-communist should just ban GROC. And I thought, do you not get this?

You know, they're going to ban you. They're going to ban GB News. This is about control. It's nothing to do with X. It's nothing to do with GROC. So we have to stand up against it. That's not to say that we agree with what these AI chatbots do. But Carol, it's not only on X that they do this stuff.

They do it all over the internet. But the government is only targeting X for political reasons because of Elon Musk. They're targeting X. because it's a fantastic town square where people can share ideas, find out the truth and get information. They don't want that. That is what dictators do. They shut down any kind of forum or, you know,

they want people to stay in their houses. They don't want people to go to pubs. They're closing pubs all over the place. They don't want people sharing ideas. They don't want dissent. And they use the excuses like this grok thing, whatever it is. I've got no idea what it is. All I know is that some people have been made to look naked or something.

I mean, so what? Who cares? You've got to know that it's been done by a computer. But or they use it to say, oh, we've got to protect children like Australia, banned all social media legally for under 16s. I mean, that's just disgusting. I find that really offensive. And you're right. Kemmy Badenock saying the same thing. We would do exactly the same, the Conservatives are saying. It's wrong. It's so wrong. You can't restrict information that is free. It should still be out there. Whether it's right or wrong, whether it's harmful or offensive, it's there. And people should have the right to view and watch it. And as far as kids are concerned, you can't always use the, oh, we need to protect the kids. It's the parents that should be protecting the kids from social media. They should be, they shouldn't be giving them phones so young. They should put the bands on the phone. It's not down to the government. There should be, it should be.

be no state interference in what kids watch on TV or on their phone. Totally. And Kevin Badenock has once again proven that she is uni party through and through because what people don't realize about this social media ban in Australia. Because remember, this has already happened in Australia, Carol. It's actually not about protecting the kids, right? It's about restricting adults because it makes the internet an awful place. And it really has also started to happen here in the UK because of the Online Safety Act where you're constantly Carol having to enter your personal information to prove that you can access some form of information, be it on YouTube or be it on substact. And actually, that is about weakening the impact of

certain platforms, making it difficult to access certain information. It is actually about stopping adults accessing information and they hide behind the kids. Yeah, absolutely. That's right. And And they're also doing it because it's kind of a precursor to digital ID. It'll be helping digital ID to come about because with most things now, you've got to prove your age. So you've got to give them some kind of ID with your face. Like, you know, they say hold up or up. And loads of people don't trust that. Like entering your passport, your credit card.

It's disgusting that you're made to do that. By the way, Carol, I'm not talking about doing that to view. pornography. For people to view my substack now, because of the UK Online Safety Act, people are being told they have to enter this verify your age information, which is why everyone needs to go and get Surf Shark VPN. Do you know what I mean, to avoid it? Yeah, that's right. That's the only way to avoid it. But, you know, people think that's too complicated. It's too difficult. And quite often people would just go, oh, you know, I'll just verify my age. I've got nothing to hide. I've got nothing to fear.

You have and people really should stand up to it and not comply with those sorts of requests and restrictions because it's a slippery slope, Dan, and it is going completely the wrong way. With ex, banning X, the whole of X, this massive, massive platform. I mean, I mean, just Kit Stama, he's just done so many things that are the sign of a dictator, a fascist even, a tyrant,

all of those things. And it's almost like he doesn't really know what he's doing. He's just doing what he's told. I'm absolutely convinced he's a puppet. And I think the Conservatives probably through the last election, they deliberately lost it by doing terrible things. And they want Stama in there because he will enforce the rules because he's an idiot.

He'll just do it. He'll do what he's told. And he is doing it, all of those things. There's just, you know, banning trial by jury. oh, because it will clear the courts. You know, get the online safety act. Ban X because it protect the kids. It's bullshit, all of it.

And it just makes me, when I get, when I do this show, Dan, I get, I'm sure my blood pressure goes up there. I'm sorry about that, but I hope it's cathartic too. Because I think everyone is like, is this mad? Have we gone mad? But no, they're mad. You know, they are insane. And trust me, they are totally insane. And at some point, they will be exposed, actually.

And at some point, a whole load of them should be locked up as well. And, you know, when it comes to Zahawi, actually, I want him on trial, you know, for that vaccine rollout. I know that's a very different place to where Reform UK finds itself. But I think in the end, we will get justice on that. Of course, the mainstream media. and the United Kingdom is over. It is dying a death. But Carol McGiff,

it is in some ways quite beautiful to see this, right? Because they deserve it. And it's interesting for me, I mean, how many years were you at ITV daytime? Carol, I was there for a decade, but you were there longer than that, right? On and off for 23 years.

Yeah, a long time. Wow, so a huge part of your career. And I imagine at some point, like me, you had quite a lot of affection for that channel. Because there was a time, Carol, when actually ITV, it wasn't perfect, right? Its news service was always to the left. But it was the voice of the working class in the United Kingdom. It was the home of Coronation Street. And it could be compared in contrast to the snobs over on the British Bashing Corporation,

the hard leftists over on Channel 4. But something changed, didn't it? in it? Yeah, I think that was ITV's raise on DETRA to start with. It was supposed to appeal to the working classes. And it did go horribly wrong. I'm not sure why or when, but you kind of felt it creeping in. And I think it started creeping in when I wasn't there between 2013 and 2018.

And when they asked me back, I went back in 2018 and I could feel it. I could already feel it. And then a couple of years later, it was COVID. And then it just, well, that was it. And Trump. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, for me, for me, I quit in 2019.

And it, thank God, it was before COVID. But I could already see the change happening because they had told me to stop slagging off Megan Michael. What that actually meant, by the way, was, you know, reporting the truth about what Megan Markle was doing. But what has happened, Carol, is that the end of this empire. is coming. And for a long time, it has been an empire. You know, it's been a billion pound business. But it's coming fast because viewers are no longer choosing to watch this channel. So yes, there are

those millions of people who are still reliant on terrestrial television and still, you know, click on Channel 3 and they will have ITV on. But those people are becoming depleted in numbers. And what is happening is that you see those numbers shrinking by the day. But what that has also meant, Carol, is that the studios themselves have quite literally started to shrink. So, Good Morning Britain, Loose Women, Lorraine this morning, all of these shows that used to Carol be sort of the crown jewel. of ITV now being shrunk into these tiny little studios. And I think even though they hope viewers don't notice this, it does represent Carol what is going on at ITV.

Yeah, it does. And it's quite, in a way, it's quite sad to watch. It's a bit kind of tragic because you can see it. You know, when I've been watching a couple of episodes of Loose Women And without the audience, and I know there was no audience in COVID, but this, you can tell this is like, you know, it's just cut price. It's a small studio. It's a tiny desk again.

They had a tiny desk before, and it just looked ridiculous. And there's no audience. There's no atmosphere. There's no, and it's difficult. It's quite difficult to do a show like that when it's always had that sort of interaction with the audience and the support and, you know, stuff going on in the breaks and everything else. It's really difficult to do like a four,

a panel talk show. And it made me a little bit, it kind of made me sad. And you're right. You know, you can see everything being cut back. You can see people's like hair being a little bit different because they haven't got the staff in the back room doing the makeup and the hair or not enough staff.

Or people, some people on loose women, I know for a fact, bring in their own hair and makeup glam squad, which probably must cost them more than they get paid to do, to do the show. But, yeah, I do find it a little bit sad and I don't know why they don't just scrap the whole lot of it.

Totally. It's like we're watching it die in real time. And actually, the Daily Mail has been talking a lot about what's going on behind the scenes, McGiff. It's quite interesting. Let me just show you this article from the newspapers show, Bers editor Katie Hein, who seems to be more concerned about Susanna Reid's hair,

which maybe is slightly missing the point. But there was some really interesting colour in this, Carol. I'll take you through it and then and get you to respond. So she reported loyal viewers of ITV's Much Love, Good Morning Britain will have noticed a few differences to their breakfast viewing this week. And of their most instantly obvious, perhaps, was its host Susanna Reid's hair,

As the normally exquisitely groomed Susanna made her on-screen routine return after two weeks off for Christmas. One couldn't help but notice her traditional perfectly quaffed blow dry had been replaced with a less bouncy dew. The reason ITV insiders tell me it's all down to the financial bloodbath at the broadcaster, which has led to more than half of its behind-the-scenes staff being axed. Those cutbacks mean that Susanna has lost her own dedicated hairdresser and no longer gets as much TLC from the remaining hair and makeup artist as she once did. as GMB now have to share their backstage resources with ITV news. Indeed, the loss of Susanna's blow dry is just one element of the dramatic cost savings ITV have made to its daytime stable, which they announced last summer. All four of its core daytime programs, GMB, Lorraine this morning and Lucewoman were effectively ripped to shreds,

with more than half of the production staff made redundant. GMB was merged with ITV news and a cost-saving exercise, which means its news gathering is shared as well as their studio in Central and Central. London. As well as this, Lorraine this morning and loose women all now have the same edit of of Ex-Sharmagh, whose last role was executive editor of the Disastrous Channel 5 show Steph's Pack Lunch. That was Axe for low-rating. IDB have also moved out of their Plus studios in White City, West London, to a much cheaper and much smaller location at the hospital club in Covent Garden. It means that loose women, which will now only be on air for 30 weeks a year rather than 52, no longer has its usual rumbunctious live audience because there is not enough

room in its new very cramped home. And that's not all. There's no space for. This week, there was anger from some of the loose women presenters, as they no longer have their own dressing rooms in the new Bougy studios. It's quite a contrast to their former home of White City, where they would often be seen skipping along the building's vast corridors. It's incredibly chaotic behind the scenes, says my insider, the space for all three shows, Loose Women This Morning, and Lorraine is downstairs in the basement, so three different sets are all crammed into one place. This means that backstage the dressing rooms are limited. There just isn't enough space, especially when there are four women getting ready to be in front of the camera at the same time. It's not an ideal situation at

all. They've all just been told to make it work and to try in their best. It's been a huge come-down from their time at White City where each show had its own studio and backstage areas like dressing rooms and meeting rooms. There have been some meltdowns. Plans have been in place for some time for the breakfast program to share resources with ITV's wider news operation. This is in terms of Good Morning Britain, but retain its own dedicated staff were expected to plan and produce the outpour each day. As one long-time staffer explained, the truth is, you can't make a quality live news show without the right resources and so many job losses and budget cuts is going to make it impossible. The quality of the guests will drop because there aren't enough people in the planning team

to secure them and book them, and there will be fewer people to travel to the scenes of major news stories. Everyone is feeling it. Even the main presenters know it. They're worried they'll have to improvise and ad-lip. Oh, shock horror. They're not going to be told what to say on their little auto-cues, Carol. And the source said, if you told my colleagues and me this would happen when GMB launch, we would have all thought it was crazy. We are now worried about what is coming next. Well, look, Carol, they should be worried about what is coming next. You're over. You are annihilated. I mean, I'm just going to be honest with you, Susanna Reid, Ben Shepard, Ranversing, Mr. Shariahler himself, Adel Ray. There is no place for you in this independent world without an auto-que-you.

Like, go ahead and try. Like, try it. I'm not, everyone is welcome. But they wouldn't cope. They wouldn't cope. And I, I don't know, Carol, you might take a different view, but I struggle to have sympathy for the loose women who are having a meltdown. they don't have a goddamn dressing room. Like, get over it.

No one's watching. You know, if no one is watching your show, if more than half the audience has turned off, things have to change. You're finished. Look, I loved a lot of the loose women. But I can imagine how hilarious it is backstage at the moment because when we were at White City,

there were proper dressing rooms, always allocated to, usually to the same person. and people, if they didn't get the usual dressing room that they preferred, there was always like an uproar. I mean, and now they have to share a dressing room. It's just absolutely brilliant. And I can imagine, like they've cut back on wardrobe as well. So, oh, God forbid, they might have to wear something twice.

Ah, shock horror. There'll be loads of things like that going on there. And, you know, they have had it too good for too long, all of them really. I mean, although, to be fair, loose women has always been the poor part of daytime TV. You know, it's always been the poor relation, always the lowest paid. And I'm not complaining that the wages were pretty good. But compared, say, to what they were being paid on this morning and on GMB, they weren't. So, you know, I do feel for the loose women, and I do feel what they're having to go through at the moment.

But the rest of them, seriously, they have had it too good for too long And there's no place from anymore. So they need to like, you know. I don't feel sorry for any of them. Honestly, I don't. I think it's beautiful. And unfortunately, Carol, people might think I'm being really cruel And that you shouldn't celebrate job loss is right.

But a lot of these people I worked with for a number of years And they sat there, Carol, during COVID. And they caused huge damage to our country. they purposefully spread fear. They maliciously spread lies about the vaccine. Let's think about Dr. Hillary Jones on Lorraine, for example, or that other craven doctor whose name I've forgotten who went on this morning and said that this jab was 100% effective.

You know, they lied every single day. I'm sorry, there is a consequence to that. And of course it's not just on that issue. It's on a whole load of issues from trans to Brexit. it. And there is a consequence to that. And even if you're sitting there thinking, well, I don't really agree with it, but I've got to go along with it. No, you don't. No, you don't. If everyone fought back, then we wouldn't have this group thing that resulted in these types of shows. So I feel sorry for none of them, actually. Well, I don't feel sorry for the channel at all. I mean,

they're going to get what they deserve. And that is no viewers. And this has been happening for a long, long time. I've always said to you, they said they don't know. They're a audience anymore. They are, they are appealing to the London metropolitan elite, the people who run the station and not the people who are supposedly watching. And so they do kind of deserve to have a horrible slump in the ratings and no money coming in. So, you know, I don't feel sorry for them in that sense. And in a way, I don't really feel sorry for any of them. I just think it's, I think it's quite amusing that they've, they've cut everything back to the point where it's, it's, it's, making it even more unwatchable. And I'm sure people still have contracts. Now, even though

loose women's only on for 30 weeks, you know, they'll still have contracts for those 30 weeks. So they will have to keep going and keep flogging those dead horses. It is, and it's, I still find it a little bit sad. But they, you're right. The channel deserves it. Absolutely. But, you know, some people don't personally deserve it. That's all I'm going on. Okay. I'll give you that. You're being nicer than me today, Carol. For once. For once. For once.

But look, it's just great to see. It's actually great to see in their pokey little studios. No dressing rooms. Their YouTube views are beautiful as well. You know, it's like, oh, there's 300 people have just watched the latest, you know, this morning clip. It's great. It's great. Look, these shows were a big part of the British fabric of life.

And there was a time when actually this morning was doing great stuff. Look, they used to have Katie Hopkins on all the time. And sure, she was debating with interesting lefties. But that's, I think, what ITV should have been doing. And it changed. And it went woke. And now it's broke. And I shared no tears for it.

But Carol McGiffon, thank you so much for being here. There is life after loose women, as your career proves. We will speak very soon, Carol. Thank you so much. But now it's time for the uncannselled interview. The right-wing breakfast war in the British independent media has kicked off spectacular. And while we see the likes of Good Morning Britain on ITV shrink into this pokey little studio, what we've got is three brand new shows popping up on what is probably, the small sea, conservative side of British politics, the independent side, the anti-establishment

side. And while I imagine a whole load of you don't agree with every single presenter, be at Mike Graham or Jeremy Kyle or Bowdade, who we just saw, the host of Breakfast with Boe, the new Lotus Eater's offering, the point is these shows are finally providing an alternative. and alternative to the corrupt lying mainstream media. So let me just show you, in case you are not up at that time, the choice that you now have. So you never have to listen to the BBC Today program again. You never have to watch Good Morning Britain again.

This was the Mike Graham show this morning. Maddleton, isn't he believes anything that he's told? And I mean, if he honestly, I mean, we've all seen inside the mansion of Jeffrey Epstein, full of pictures of half-naked and sometimes fully naked young girls, you know, sculptures of obviously a very sexual nature. I mean, there's no way. He's got the balls of steel to go on a television show and actually say, oh, I didn't really notice what was going on.

And nobody really told me because I was gay. Now, not everyone loves all of Mike Schitt. He has a newsreader, an AI newsreader based on Hugh Edwards, called Edward Hughes. Watch. From Mandy, he says, why has Mike got a lisp? I've got a lisp. I've never had a list.

Do I sound like I've got a list? Maybe it's something to do with the way that you've tuned your scenario. Mike, please, you're flogging a dead horse with this Edward Hughes feature. It's Amateurish and spoils your show. Ditch it, says Jammie Horse. I'm afraid I can't. Edward Hughes is a very popular man. And in fact, we're going to go to his news very, very shortly.

Then you've got the Jeremy Kyle Breakfast Show over on Talk TV. Being thrashed, actually, totally thrashed by these independent offerings. Watch. Good morning, Poppy. and Mr. Kyle. Our once great country has gone and I don't think it'll ever come back to what it was. To me it feels like we're becoming a Muslim country

and one day the idiots on the left will have to take responsibility for what they've done. Look at what is happening in Iran against a Muslim. And I mean, I totally agree with Kyle on that. I think the problem is that he's a reform stooge. He's a reformist, paid up member actually,

even admitted that he's now media training their candidates. Watch. The Burney tells me you are using your skills home over many years in British and global media to do your part to save Britain, including grilling and training. Nigel Farage's troops like some sort of SAS warrior in the Ukrainian... I was going to start on the Ant-Livision. In the Ukrainian forest.

So this weekend, a huge number of would-be candidates who are standing in the Senate and also in the Scottish Parliament are going to be media trained and grilled on camera and on radio by me. How's it going to work? Are you going to... As Nigel said to me earlier in the corridor, we've got no chance after that then, have we? So you feel like you're ready to serve,

you're ready to take this, you know, do your bit for the party, including, as you say, sort of do what, to mock interviews and are you weeding out the... Because the problem of the reform of had, like Brexit party before them, and you get before that, they do let a lot of wacko slip through them. that.

Then you've got Breakfast with Bo. New live breakfast show offering from Lotus Eaters and certainly much more

alternative to Mike Graham and Jeremy Kylie. Here was Bo's take on Iran this morning. But

replacing the regime in Iran would be replacing it with sort of you know the GAE

the global American empire which is Zionist adjacent or Zionist captured something like that it's all black rock

that's funding it it's all like the insane liberal of like transgenderism and all the worst bits of of the West that's what would be replacing a solid

conservative regime so unbelievable not unbelievably it's not unbelievable but some people even on the right are not in favour of this.

And again, think that most of the news that come out of, on the mainstream media is just sort of Israeli propaganda or US propaganda. So that's the full spectrum of thoughts and feelings on this. Now, it has been a right-wing breakfast war. These three shows launched on the same date. Bo was quite amused by that. He posted on X, turns out I'm in some sort of direct competition with Jeremy Kuy. and Mike Graham for the most based breakfast show.

Luckily, I'm by far the most based. I mean, they're barely based. And there is some long running history between the Lotus Eaters and Mr. Mike Graham, who when he was part of the commercial mainstream media, was pretty critical of their schick. So, look at that, look at that. Mike posted.

I am a big shot. You're nobody. Have some respect, you little twit. Then maybe you can get in the queue. And after Mike was sacked from Talk TV, Bo responded, Mike Graham is a big shot in the doll cue. So, Bo, great to have you. I'm loving what you're doing at breakfast. I thought it was super smart, actually, the fact that Lotus Eaters launched this show on the same day as Mike Graham and Jeremy Kyle.

Are you going to tell me that it was just a total coincidence? incidents, Bo? Yeah, yeah I am. First of all, thank you for having me. Great to have you. I wasn't aware. We'd had this plan. We'd talked about it at Lotus Cetus for ages.

I mean, like three years we'd talked about it. And we'd had it queued up to start in December. And then for various technical boring reasons, we decided we'll push it back to the beginning of the year in January. So it really was. I honestly had no idea to someone attied me on Twitter. saying, you know, Jeremy Kyle's starting a breakfast show that same day. And I was like, I didn't know.

And then I found out Mike Graham's doing it as well. So, yeah, it absolutely wasn't like a deliberate conscious decision to try and compete with them. So, yeah. So tell me about this history between the Lotus Eaters and Mike Graham. Like lots of people might assume that you were sort of natural bedfellows in a way. Why is there this beef? Oh, good. Well, I mean, it's not really much for a beef.

It's pretty minor drama in the scale of things. It's nothing, really. I mean, you know the cut and thrust of Twitter? Yes. You're a Twitter man. You know it's a counter thrust. It's one giant royal rumble of everyone sniping each other, really. That's what Twitter is, right, most of the time.

All it was, if I even recall properly, Mike Graham had had to dig at Connor, you know, Connoffittomiton. You know Connoxompson, don't you? Yes, I do. He's a white of Connoxon. He's a regular hair, actually. on outspoken. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's been fire the last few months. Good lad. Good lad. And he used to work at Lotus Cetus for quite a while. And one day he was just in some sort of beef with Connor. And I don't know what it was about. God knows. I think Mike Graham had to pop him out of nowhere.

And a bunch of the Lotus Cetus lads just pile on, having a dig back at Mike Graham. That's it. That's all it was, really. There's no more to it than that. I mean, personally, I think Mike Graham's had a couple of really poor takes. But beyond that, he's all right.

You know, I mean, I certainly haven't got any personal animosity towards him. Like, you know, real personal hatred or anything close to that. You know, but so it just is what it is, you know. I mean, I have loved this. I have to be honest, because I think Lotus Eaters are definitely originals in this space. And I have huge respect for everything that people like Carl Benjamin and all of you have done. Likewise, Mya Tusi, who is an original in the space currently doing incredible reporting on Iran, which is going all around the world. But I also think it was important for some of us sort of mainstream guys to have our cancellation moment come into the market.

That is something that has happened in America for quite some time and actually offer true alternatives over the course of the day. Do you know what I mean? So because, you know, I want to be able to wake up in the morning desperately and not have to switch on the BBC, not having to switch on ITV, not having to switch on even GB News and talk, to be honest. And, you know, I do consider them part of the mainstream now. But for a while, maybe the independent offerings were a bit more ad hoc, if you see what I mean. Yeah, yeah, one thing before I talk about that, just quickly to say, the clip you should. showed me from this morning show. That wasn't actually my opinion.

I was saying that I was trying to lay out the broad spectrum from far-blown like hard, hard-line anti-Aitola opinions all the way to the most far, far-right

griper opinion. So that opinion that I said they're all about like Zionism, America being Zio-adjacent or something. That's not actually my opinion. I was just saying what some people say. So just want to make that clip. 100%.

Okay. So yeah, your question, you know, independent media. I mean, Lotus E.C just truly is, you know, sort of independent. We haven't got the only sort of editorial oversight we've got in any way is Carl Benjamin. And he's extremely light touches. There's essentially no editorial guidelines. It's like try and keep swearing to a minimum. don't say something crazy, right?

Don't break the law, don't incite violence or anything. Beyond that, go for it. And he's got complete trust in all his presenters. You know, some people sometimes on Twitter say, oh, will Carl let you say this or that? No, no, that's not how it works at all. That's not how it works at all. He just lets us, you know, he knows us very well, all of us,

like five or six of us, and just lets us go. He's got full confidence in us that we're not going to do anything crazy, anything crazy. And, and that's it. Yeah. So it's much more sort of unvarnished, uncut, right? Again, as long as we don't say anything that's actually insane, we're trying not to get ourselves completely yeated off of YouTube. You know, beyond that, just be honest. Just be real. Just be authentic. But one of the great things about Lotus Eaters is you don't all agree on everything identically.

And at the moment, for example, with some of these debates about, you know, civic nationalism versus ethno-nationalist. I was watching an interesting exchange the other day. I think it was between Nick Dixon and Carl. And, you know, everyone has their own nuanced opinion. But none of these opinions are being discussed, even on GB News, at all. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing to give credit to that saga of a Cadd fella, that Kyle Benjamin, to give him credit. He absolutely doesn't mind people disagreeing with him. You know, as long as you're polite, there's probably a few people that have been blocked on Twitter that wouldn't agree with that. But, you know, as long as you're polite in real life, you know, he's absolutely comfortable and fine with people saying, oh, I don't agree with that,

actually. I think it's this or that. And that's what makes, I think, great content and the interesting conversation is when two people don't agree. They're not just, yes, yes, they completely agree and everything. You know, it's good to have people actually have all different, all different ideas and all different thoughts and actually sort of hash it out in real time in front of a camera in front of a mic because that's the real world right that's real this like this fake contrived news paradigm that there's this one line that the channel is taking that the show is taking you must stick to that and any guest you get on you must challenge them um if they say anything different no what about just some normal people some normal bloats sitting there having a conversation

how about that what's the thing i hated most about just the thing i hated most about G.B. News. And of course, it did end up actually leading to my departure, my sacking from GB News, because the whole way that the mainstream media in the UK is designed because of the off-communists is that actually, legally, you're meant to provide both viewpoints, even though, you know, how can you say that, like, you can debate ethno versus civic nationalism with just two viewpoints anyway? It seems like a ludicrous thing to say. But as a host, if your guest says something, you are meant to step in

and sort of like scold them. And so with me, it was the whole Lawrence Fox thing and I just refused to refuse to scold him and I ended up going. I mean, Lawrence Fox, come on, Dan. Lawrence Fox is not, you know, some crazy right wing neo-Nazis. He's not coming out with anything bizarre

and brutal and mad and vile, is it? It's just not happening. So Lawrence Fox, Lawrence Fox is beyond the pay. to G.B. News. 100%. Well, what is that? It's not of much value then, is it? It's not of much use.

No. And so much now is beyond the pale to GB News. I mean, Rupert Lowe is beyond the pale to GB News. Ben Habib is beyond the pale to GB News. That's before you even come to, you know, Steve Laws and Tommy Robinson. But Bode, your personal story is really fascinating, right? Because it does represent, I think, in a lot of ways, what has gone on in terms of the political debate on the right in the United Kingdom.

And certainly what I believe, and I've been really criticized for it this week, but what I believe is the capitulation by Reform UK to nefarious forces, mainstream forces, globalist forces, and yes, to Islamism as well. And lots of people probably will be quite shocked to know that there was a time when you were a Reform UK candidate. But Reform UK was a pretty based party at that point. You know, Ben Habib was the deputy leader. Richard Tice seemed to be a lot more brave than he is now.

Rupert Lowe was obviously part of the party too. And then this cretrenous organisation called Hope Not Hate, which is run by a fake news merchant called Nick Lolles. Nick Lowell's, by the way, who actually should have been arrested and charged probably if you look at the Lucy Connolly rules of engagement, because during the so-called rights, he actually said that Muslims had been acid-attacked. And my belief is that directly led to violence on the street, something that Lucy Connolly's post never did. But anyway, this dude, there he is. He was platformed just last week on, you know, Channel 4 News. Cozy interview with Christian Guru Murthi. no questions about his acid attack like,

no questions about the fact that a paedophile quite recently has been working at hope, not hate. Anyway, there's the background to this organisation, Bo, which really got you cancelled from Reform UK. And it was really interesting going back and reading the article this week, you know, knowing that you were coming on. It's obviously I remember the story at the time. And there it is, the shocking, far right fantasy. disease. You were having both. And actually, you know, you look at it now a couple of years on and it's like,

this is what I would describe as pretty common thinking amongst any Brit concerned about the country. So they said you fantasized about deporting millions of British citizens to rid itself of the foreign plague we have been diseased with. Well, yep, yeah, definitely. You were the South Swindon candidate it and the investigation was really just pulling out comments that you'd made online. Like it wasn't private comments or hidden comments or things that you weren't proud of. It was an article, for example, for the mallard, where you called for millions of foreigners and their dependents to be expelled from the country and the prosecution of civil servants and judges calling them a cancer, which must be cut out regardless of the disruption it caused.

Now, that got you cancelled. They dropped you, Reform UK. Yeah. What was that experience like? What happened? Well, it wasn't too bad. It wasn't that bad, actually, because when it all happened,

like a bit of a firestorm on Twitter, you know, and like 95% maybe plus of all the comments on Twitter were sort of on my side. So it wasn't like scary or anything like that, not remotely. So the story goes, I tried to tell you the whole story. So I wrote an article for The Mallard, and there's excerpts from it there.

And I've written very, very similar things for lotocetist.com. Talking about mass remigration and that there are millions of people here that shouldn't be. And on and on and on. And we should, we should get rid of civil servants and judges and all sorts of things, right? Stuff that's like not really that,

I don't think, a lot of people don't think is all that extreme. In fact, it's entirely necessary. In fact, it's actually quite a clement way to deal with this invasion that's happened to this country. So I wrote these things and published them openly on Lotus Cetus or on the Mallard or whatever. There's nothing secret about it. And so what happened was I did an interview with Richard Tice on Lotus Cetons.

This is back before Nigel was the leader, quite a long time before, like a year or more before Nigel was the leader. It was back when reform were polling at like 2%. Right? So Richard Tice came on Lotus Cetus. I did a little interview within like a 40-minute interview or whatever. Off the back of that, some other senior person, I can't even remember their name, some sort of middling person at Reform said to me.

They approached me. They said, would you like to stand at the next general election for an MP? And I thought, well, all right then. I was almost certainly not, well, definitely wouldn't win. It almost certainly come third. Turns out the reform candidate in South Sweden and did come third. And so it would be a paper candidate, but do you want to do that? And I was like, sure, you know,

I've never harbored dreams of becoming an MVP. but I was like, yeah, sure, all right then. So that happens. And then a few months later, further down the line, you know, I get my little rosette, you know. I mean, like little groups with the other local Wiltshire candidates and stuff. And yeah, closer to the general election, hope not hate, published that thing. The far right fantasies of evil bodade, a Farage hopeful, the Daily Record.

called in Scotland said of me, put me on their front page. And yeah, just simply excerpts from things that I'd openly published that reform, that people inside reform were just not aware of, hadn't done any research, I suppose. I don't know, that's on them, isn't it? And the day that Hope Not Hate put that up on their website, within a couple of hours, I get an email from somebody at Reform saying, like pretty much a one-liner saying, you're deselected,

thank you very much, bye bye. And that was it. So I was like, you were out. I was like, oh, all right, fair enough. So, you know,

I was a little bit gutted at the time. But within weeks, certainly within a few months, certainly now, I view it as having dodged a bullet. I really do.

They hope not did me a favour, and that's not just cope. I really do mean that because if I'm still a candidate now, I would have to be shilling the party line. which I do not agree with profoundly on many, many, many things. And I would feel very, very uncomfortable with that.

There we go. There I am on the front page of the Daily Record there. Yeah, so it's not a good fit for me, reform. They are too milk toast. They are just the teal Tories, aren't they? They're just the Tories 2.0. I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested being colleagues with all ex-Torries

that ruined the country as far as I'm concerned. So, so yeah, and that's basically the story in a nutshell, I suppose. And I mean, now they have gone on a really odd path. Because I was still happy to say publicly, I'm very honest, at the last election, I still voted for Reform UK. I mean, I did have concerns, right? but I'll always vote for a party that I consider the best choice and I'll be honest about it. And at that point, of course, you still have been Habib in the party.

I was a huge fan of Rupert Lowe, actually, who was running in Great Yarmouth, which is where my dad grew up. So I always thought, gosh, Great Yarmouth needs a reform UK MP. So I was very openly campaigning for Rupert Lowe. But at that point, I had been booted off GBM News. I didn't have the launch of my show. so really this was all done on X. But since the election, Beau, something really changed.

You know, Farage coming back. Zia Yusuf, this shadowy Muslim guy being given this huge amount of power. And now we've seen just in the past few days, Laila Cunningham being chosen to run against Sadiq Khan. Now, for me, that's a capitulation to Islamists. I mean, she denies that she is an Islamist herself, but she has this Islamic tattoo on her forearm, which she hasn't explained properly in my view of a crescent moon.

And the mainstream media basically say, well, if you even ask this question, you're a bottom feeder. And she went on Harry Cole's show for The Sun and described me as being far right, which I thought was pretty crazy. And then Nadine Zaharwi now, the, you know, sort of Muslim, Baghdad, born, COVID vaccine pusher, amnesty for all illegals.

He wanted them all to be allowed to stay parachuted into the heart of Reform UK. So is it recognizable to the party you knew? What do you think this is about? Like, is it just political expediency? or is there actually, as I believe, some type of capitulation to Islamist going on? Oh, I mean, I don't know. It's certainly very, very different to the party

just a few years ago. It's very, very different to what a lot of people, I think, thought it was. I mean, having that Zahari guy in now, I mean, he's an Iraqi person. Okay, he's an Iraqi person. It's as simple as that. He is, like, one of the worst.

traitors, all those people like that, people like James Cleverley, Swellna Brehman, free tipped scale, on and on and on. All those people are traitors to my nation as far as I'm concerned. They committed unbelievable crimes against this nation and these people as far as I'm concerned. They've condemned us through mass migration to a sectarian nightmare, an unbelievable, unprecedented crime in the entire history of these islands, these people, people like him. And that's not even touching on like the vaccines and things. Another unbelievable crime, a crime in my opinion.

So for Nigel to sort of, you know, get as many of these people as he possibly can, as many ex-tories as he can, I mean, it sort of says everything you need to know, like the Zia Yusuf thing. I'm aghast by that. Like, what is that? What is that?

What we really need is a truly, a true patriotic party is going to work entirely for the interests of the nativist population. Well, that's not what we're going to get with reform, is it? That's not what we're going to get with these people that Nigel is picking. Nigel thinks that Tommy Robinson is sort of completely beyond the pale. It's the Tommy Robinson, the Tommy Robinson crew. People that are fans of Tommy Robinson.

They're way too far right. Now, for me, Tommy Robinson is far too liberal, far too liberal. Well, I was going to say that's not the debate on the right, is it? It's like Farage is now so removed from the debate on the right of British politics, but maybe that's where he wants to be both. And actually, I do want to come to the whole Steve Laws versus Tommy Robinson thing in just one moment because, of course, you had Steve Laws on one of the shows that you host, which is really interesting. But just before we come to that, I want to show you, I don't even have seen this,

Nadine Zahawi, this old clip which has been dug up where he actually, suggested that mass immigration to the United Kingdom should continue and the reason it should continue is for those people like the Somalians, for example, to come here and then send money back to Somalia. That's the reason it should continue. And this was in a big Oxford address where he was public and very proud of it. So I'm not sure you've seen it, but have a watch and I'll get your reaction. The UK remits more than two billion pounds over.

overseas every year. Some of the poorest economies like Somalia are entirely dependent on money remitted by the Somali diaspora. Unlike official aid, remittances between family can't be embezzled or misspent by corrupt regimes. So significant cuts to immigration would cut off a major financial lifeline to the world's poorest, resulting in stronger demand for government aid. Now, Bo, in my opinion, that's more than just changing your mind on a policy, right? That is a fundamental worldview. Yeah, I mean, stuff like that to me is sickeny. Literally sickening, turns my stomach.

That's a traitor. That's a cuckoo in the nest. That's a fifth columnist. Barbarian inside the gates working against the interests of the people. That's what that is. I don't want that person in Parliament. I don't want them anywhere near the leadership of my country. Again, it's an Iraqi person.

You know, like, come on. Oh, call me a bigot if you want. Call me far right. If you want, fine. I don't care. I don't care about that. Well, he previously described Farage as dangerous. I mean, this is what's so hilarious about the whole thing.

He described Farage as dangerous and said that he was like an Nazi. And it was in one of these posts on X where he said, I'm as British as you are. Now you disagree with that. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, yeah. He's not, he's not, he's just not. You know, it's as simple as that.

There's not, what else is there to say really? He's just not. And you had this debate with, well, not even a debate, actually. It wasn't a debate. I watched the whole thing. It was really interesting. It was a discussion with Steve. Laws, who obviously had had that very combative interview with Andrew Gold, where actually I came

away thinking, gosh, like, I agree with Steve Laws more than I do with Andrew Gold, who I think is a really terrible person, actually. But here's just a little bit of, of that discussion. Which is in power. That's when everyone's got attacking from the right ridiculously. Think how bad we attack now. We've got to double those efforts. And then, and then some more. and to the point where Farage will be forced to either step down or implement what we want, either way should there will be, there will be a hell of a lot of weight in terms of activism and potentially other parties breathing down his neck because everyone's going to want a piece of that once the two-party system's broken.

And actually, I saw a lot of comment, Bo, saying Steve Laws in that interview came across better than he has in any of the others. because it wasn't combative. You made it clear you weren't trying to trip them up for the sake of it. But it does show you, doesn't it? Just how totally out of touch barrage is with where lots of us on the right are going. I mean, I'm not in the Steve Laws camp in terms of, you know, deport Father Calvin Robinson, for example. like I'm not there. But it's very clear from what he says

that there is a political strategy behind what he's doing, one of which is to allow people like Rupert Lowe to actually look much more moderate when it comes to their policies of millions of vast deportations. Well, yeah, I mean, someone like Steve Laws is the tip of the spear in the conversation,

if you like. You know, he makes extraordinary asks, you know, he says, I want 100% remigration. And we actually asked him in that conversation. We said, you know, with best will in the world, you realize that's not sort of actually, actually possible. He said, oh yeah, I know, I know. It's a strategy. It's very deliberate strategy. You know, like the art of the deal.

You begin by asking a lot more than what you know you can actually get. Right. It's deliberate. And so if you just take him at face value, then it seems like completely beyond the power. It seems like completely unrealistic. But no, it's like it's a strategy. Right. To make, you know, it's just one part of the conversation.

So, yeah, I mean, I suppose when Nigel becomes prime minister, I suppose he will be prime minister after the next general election. Likely. Not definite, but likely. More likely than not at this point. And then after he, I assume, fails to remigrate the millions of people that are here that shouldn't be, well, then the conversation will really move in a very real sense towards something beyond reform, what comes beyond reform, if it's something Rupert Lowe does, like an actual patriot or actual nationalism, where a party that works in the interest of the nation, is that so hard?

Is nationalism such a dirty word that we can't. I don't have a party that actually works in the interest of the natives. I mean, that's the thing. I don't sign up to a definition apart from being a nationalist. And I'm more than happy to have the debate. I think the debate needs to be had. And actually, I think this is where the conversation is going to move to and why shows like yours are so important.

And organizations like the Lotus Eaters are so important because increasingly you look to these channels and obviously I was a launch presenter of GB News and we really hoped that it was going to be or I really hoped that it was going to be a true alternative, a true force. But how can you even take seriously now a channel that won't have Ben Habib, Rupert Lowe,

Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, even on the channel, let alone consider even mentioning a name like Steve Laws. So actually it is going to be the independent media, isn't it? As Tommy Robinson often says, and I know you've got your issues with him, but as he often says, actually the growth of the independent media is going to be one of the big factors in shaping the future of British politics.

Yeah, no, I mean, we've had Tommy on a couple of times on those seats. Carl has spoken at a Tommy rally and stuff. Yeah, I mean, you say, how can you take a chance? like GV News, for example, seriously. Well, you can't. If you want it to be genuinely authentic, I mean, it's a containment project, just like Reform itself.

100%. It's an exercise in containing the real conversation. That's just, of course, exactly what it is. There's no other way, really, to describe it if you're honest. Nope, GB News is a containment operation. It is. But so is Reform UK. And it's been really interesting today,

thinking, seeing a lot of people who are good people. people, you know, and I understand these people who say, but Dan, it's like, it's our only hope and we've just got to get Stamara out or we've just got to get, you know, Khan out in London. But it's like today they're like, oh, God, this is bad. This is bad. They've got a fair point because what other real alternative is there? Like, even after being deselected and treated like a piece of trash by reform, I still voted for them at the last general election. And at the next one, if Rupert Lowe doesn't form a party, through gritted teeth, much to my chagrin, I should probably vote for them again simply because there's no other alternative.

Like the realistic option to get the local Labour MP out is that we'll be the reform. Well, people have to strategically vote, don't that? I mean, I hope there'll be a couple of seats where, like, Advance UK or Restore Britain, And certainly, like if you're in Great Yarmouth with Rupert Lowe or wherever Ben Habib chooses to stand to you to hope that they would be, you know, we could strategically focus on some seats. But you're right, we're all going to have to strategically vote because trust me, they're going to do it on the left.

But look, Bo, so brilliant to have you. And Breakfast with Bo, we can watch at 8am every weekday, live on the Lotus Eaters, including, by the way, the Lotus Eaters YouTube channel, right? That's right, yeah. So you can go to the Lotusetters.com website, Or there's just the podcast of the Lotus Eaters on YouTube. Half a million plus odd subs.

So, yeah, it's on there live 8am, Grelage meantime, five days a week. I'll see you there. It's the Boe Show, Breakfast with Bow. Loving it, Bo. So great to have you on Outspoken. Thank you very much for being here. Really, really enjoyed it. And actually, we're going to do the big reveal of the Greatest Britain Union Jackass in just one moment,

but lots of comments coming in about this. Nadim Zahawi defection Simon Brandy Says at least it's taking the heat off Layla Kaniomayden Coincidence or diversionary tactics from Farage

I'm increasingly disillusioned with reform Sorrelli and Sword says I cancelled my membership in January last year but I hadn't fully abandoned them until this decision I was slipping off the fence

and this decision sealed it for me you're not wrong Dan the only people who say you're wrong are nutters who don't belong in the movement and Salarian Unlimited

said the more info they have on you, the more info they have to play with in the worst possible way. Much easier to set you up for a crime. Still a good idea, people. Okay, a reminder of your nominees for the worst Britain in the world today. Our union jackass.

Maloney Dawes. Dame Maladie Dawes. Not that I'd use that phrase with her. Leading from Real MacCass because obviously the off-communist trying to ban X, Isabella Oakshot, nominated by Chafi for being so behind the Nadim Zahawi decision, and Bush Roshin, nominated by the Griffith for being caught lying again. This time over Iran, let me just show you the tweet or the post on X.

If you haven't figured it out yet, this is a war on Islam, fully manufactured by Mossad, CIA and Western imperialism, supported by ignorant Iranians working with foreign collaborators and readers added context that they thought people might want to know millions of people on the streets of Iran and it's not possible that they are all Mersad's agents, or that they are all ignorant, as the Post describes them. These are everyday Iranians that are fed up with the Islamist regime's reign of terror for the past 47 years. And 8% have you voted for Melanie Dawes?

30% for Isabel Oakshot by a long way. Today's union jackass with 62% of the vote is Bushra Sheikh. And on a very similar theme, congratulations to Maya Tusi, who is the greatest Britain today, nominated by Cass for his incredible news footage coming directly outside of Iran regarding the massive protests happening over there. It also shows the need for X

because our actual news broadcasts have been so dire. So congratulations to Meyer and Tusi TV for all the work they are doing. We're going to move over to Substack now for the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow the truth about Megan Markle's shocking return to Britain as we team up with the Royal News Network. Do come and join us.

there, outspoken. Live. You can also subscribe, of course, to the Dan Wooden Outspoken podcast. Totally free. You can find us on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or wherever you get yours. But I will be back with you tomorrow live 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.