Dan Wootton Outspoken - JIM RATCLIFFE WAR WITH SLIPPERY STARMER AS HE REVEALS UK HAS BEEN COLONISED BY IMMIGRANTS

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

BREAKING TODAY: The MSM, elite class and Slippery Starmer himself have gone into meltdown because Sir Jim Ratcliffe – one of Britain’s biggest success stories – dared to deliver the difficult truth about the Disunited Kingdom: We have been colonised by immigrants. Cue a deranged pile on from a political class desperate to stop talking about Two Tier Keir’s satanic Labour; much easier to deride someone deeply concerned about the destruction of our culture. Indeed, the people who hate us most – including those deluded millionaires James O’Brien and Lenny Henry – are pushing even harder at this perilous moment to shut us up if we challenge the failed multiculturalism and diversity project. Yet there’s so much reason to worry every day: Mick Jagger’s fiance was brutally attacked in Sadiq Khan’s London and the accused school stabber found a mosque after shouting Alluh Akbar turns out to be an Afghan. We’re joined today by Rafe Haydel-Mankoo – historian, author, broadcaster and fellow at the New Culture Forum – to analyse it all. PLUS: Dominic Cummings warns street violence will soon be coming if the UK continues down this path. AND: A new crisis for the Royal Family and King Charles as it’s revealed they loaned £12 million in a futile bid to save Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and the abdication debate grows, as we reveal the results of a bombshell Outspoken poll. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: New fears for the health of King Charles. Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin will join us for that. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is outspoken episode number 425. And breaking today, the MSM, elite class and slippery Stama himself have gone into meltdown. Because Sir Jim Rackcliffe, one of Britain's biggest success stories, dared to deliver the difficult truth about the disunited kingdom. Yes, we have been colonised by immigrants. Huge levels of immigrants coming in. I mean, the UK's been colonised. It's costing too much money. It will cause... It'll cause... Well, we've been... The UK's been colonised by immigrants, really, isn't it?

I mean, the population of the UK is 58 million in 2020. No, it's 70 million. That's 12 million people. We have been colonised by immigrants, and we increasingly being colonised by Islamism. Q deranged pile on from a political class desperate to start talking about how to tear care satanic labor enabled paedophiles, much easier to deride someone deeply concerned about the destruction of our culture.

I hadn't expected it to be quite so blunt and using terms that are frankly inflammatory when it comes to migration. It was a really interesting insight into the mind of someone who is one of the most influential people in the UK right now. language of this kind echoes narratives that have historically been used to stigmatize migrant communities, fuel division and legitimize hostility towards minority groups. At a time when hate crime is rising and communities are feeling increasingly unsafe, public figures must recognize the weight and consequences of their words. I think Jim Rackcliffe is a stinking hypocrite. Firstly, he became a tax resident of Monaco. That's four billion pounds that could have gone towards British schools.

the British NHS could have gone towards British defence. Instead, he decided he wanted that money for his own pockets. The reality is, though, as Brits, we have been concerned about what Jim Rackcliffe is speaking about for the past 50 years. We've been friends in there. We can't go into with the locals anymore. They're full up with noisy foreigners, and we don't like it.

We don't like it. We haven't got a place left where we, the English people, can go and enjoy ourselves in this town. After going through two World Wars, we should at least have the dignity of being allowed to live with our own kind. With no room, with no jobs, and our poor lads are fighting in Ireland while our own country's being invaded. I mean, the situation we've got now is that you can't find jobs, accommodation in your own town. Yet the people who hate us most, including those deluded millionaires, James O'Brien and Lenny Henry,

are pushing even harder at this perilous moment to shut us up. if we dare challenge the failed multiculturalism and diversity project. I've got a racist and an idiot for you in my inbox this morning, if you're interested, just to lighten the tone. Here's the racist. Can we have exactly the same phone in on the proliferation of Asian grooming gangs? But you only care when they're brown, you see? You don't care when they're white,

which makes you both a racist and a paedophile apologist, which is an extraordinary thing to have chalked up on your CV by 1036 on a Wednesday morning. We're in a position where diversity, inclusion and equality are being downplayed because it's seen as wokeery and woo-woo. I don't believe that I think diversity of ethnicity, gender and thought is really, really important. Well, you might think that, but we're actually worried about other things,

like Mick Jagger's fiancé being brutally attacked in Sadiq Khan's London overnight. And what about the accused school stabber founded a mosque after shouting Alu Akbar. We were told he was a British national, Turns out he's an Afghan. Let's just be honest about it. So today, the perfect man to tackle all of this, Rafe Haidle Manku, historian, author, broadcaster and fellow at the New Culture Forum. He's with us for the entire show. Also coming up today, Dominic Cummings warns street violence will soon be on the way

in the UK if we continue down this path. A new crisis for the British Royal Family in King Charles, revealed they loaned 12 million pounds in a futile bid to save Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor. And the new abdication debate grows as we reveal the results of a bombshell outspoken poll. Then in the Royal Uncanceled After Show over on Substack, Prince Harry, he's using this moment to speak out, losing the plot in Los Angeles, plus new fears for the health of our king. Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin, will join us for all of that over at W. www. outspoken. Live. Now, you might realize we are hosting our worst Britain in the world poll one day early.

I'll tell you why shortly. But first, a reminder of your nominees, you can vote right now in the posts tab on YouTube. It's where we put our union jackasses from across the week, head to head to be named the worst Britain in the world this week. Your nominees from Monday, King Charles, Tuesday, David Lammy, Wednesday, Zach Polansky. That's going to be an interesting battle. Now, the reason that we're going a day early this week is because tomorrow, a very special interview. Something I wanted to do for a long time, I've sat down one-on-one with the mother of Riannon White, who was murdered by an illegal at the hotel where she worked. This is a very powerful conversation. Here is a preview. Riannon White, a 27-year-old young English mother who was murdered by a demonic illegal staying in a migrant hotel where she worked.

Rianan's mother, Shavon White, joins me now. Everything that was said between the police and myself was kept private. The only thing they did say was about the Southport. We don't want another Southport incident. Think about stopping these people committing the crimes. And then you're not going to have that. The last thing I said, as I looked at him, was, well, let me see you dancing now. and I just walked away.

Have you heard from the government at all? No. And you've heard nothing from Jess Phillips since that interview. Not a single thing, no. What do you want to say to Jess Phillips? Absolutely nothing. I do not want to be in the same room as I think she's a vile woman. Would you meet Stama now?

Yeah. And what would you tell him? How I feel. I think he's disposed in. Chavonne was in tears talking about her daughter. She's had no contact from the government whatsoever. Can you tell us why not, please? I'm not aware of that particular shocking, again, terrible example.

The woman didn't even know what she seemed to be talking about anyway, referring to Rihanna as that one. Disgusting. Yeah. A very special edition of Dan Wooden Outspoken celebrating the life of Riannon White, an interview that shames, slippery Stama and our government tomorrow here on Outspoken. But now, let's go. So Sir Jim Radcliffe, the most inspiring self-made British success story from council house to the country's richest man, has said the quiet part, we all know about the disunited kingdom out loud. We have been colonised by immigrants. I'll add to that, we have been taken over by Islamists too.

That honesty not only gets you immediately pilloried by the mainstream media who have prompted an all-too-predictable elite class pile on designed to stop anyone else for. from speaking out, but it pushes every shameful story about slippery Stama, Peter Mandelson, the Epstein Files, the Satanic Labor Party, pushes it all from the headlines, which is what they want. It was this 50-second viral clip on Sly News that saw Ratcliffe, the Manu shareholder, who let me remind you, endorsed Stama and Labor at the last election, almost immediately change the national debate. Watch. levels of immigrants coming in I mean the UK's being colonized it's costing too much money it will cause the colonized the UK has been colonized by immigrants really

isn't it I mean the population of the UK is 58 million in 2020 now it's 70 million that's 12 million people you met recently with Nigel Farage didn't you I did do you think that they would be a kind of a good government if they were to to win the next election I think Nigel is an intelligent man and I think he's got good intentions, but in a way you could say exactly the same about Keir when Keir came in. I think it needs somebody who's prepared to be unpopular for a period of time too. Now rather than being grateful for such an agenda setting scoop, sly news immediately decided to turn on Rathcliffe with the channels, Economic Senator Ed Conway, who conducted that interview.

branded it an immigration outbursts that risks antagonising those inside and out of Man You. Watch. It's actually the first time I've interviewed Jim Ratcliffe and I was expecting it to be pretty controversial. He's a divisive figure and as he says himself, you know, relatively unpopular, particularly when it comes to Man You fans. I hadn't expected it to be quite so blunt and using terms that are frankly inflammatory when it comes to migration. It was a really interesting insight into the mind of someone who is one of the most influential people in the UK right now.

But as Luca Johnson of the Lotus Cedars raged, I will take no moral lectures from news organisations that spent yesterday relentlessly condemning Sir Jim Ratcliffe's personally sensible comment, especially as I've just spent an entire week refusing to cover a second of the inquiry into the mass rape of young English girls. But Sly News decided that they needed a pile on from the usual Britain-haten suspects and they turned the interview and the criticism of the Rackcliffe interview into rolling breaking news. Right, breaking news with regard to our top story this evening, the comments made by Sir Jim Rackcliffe, the co-owner of Manchester United. He said that Britain, that the UK was being colonised by immigrants. This is from the anti-racism charity.

Show racism, the red card. Here we go. Show racism, the red card. It has put this out on social media, saying language of this kind echoes narratives that have historically been used to stigmatise migrant communities, fuel division and legitimise hostility towards minority groups.

At a time when hate crime is rising and communities are feeling increasingly unsafe, public figures must recognise the weight and consequences of their way. Britain is a diverse society shaped by migration. Framing that diversity as colonisation is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and emboldening those who seek to divide rather than unite. We urge all leaders in sport, business and public life to choose language that promotes inclusion, respect and social cohesion. Oh, there was the obligatory statement too from the manu Muslim

supporters who moaned the term colonised is not neutral at echoes language frequently. used in far-right narratives that frame migrants as invaders and demographic threats. Such rhetoric has real-world consequences when influential figures adopt language that mirrors extremist talking points at risk legitimising prejudice and deep-neened division. Manu is a global club built on diversity, on players, staff and supporters from every background, faith and ethnicity. Now desperate to stop any talk of his paedophile enabling government, slippery starmasa, a political opportunity posting on X to unleash the hounds.

Offensive and wrong. Britain is a proud, tolerant and diverse country. Jim Rackcliffe should apologise. The British Bashing Corporation even wheeled out a literal communist in Ash Sarka onto Newsnight too wholeheartedly back the PM. I think Jim Ratcliffe is a stinking hypocrite. Firstly, he became a tax president of Monaco. That's £4 billion that could have gone towards British schools. The British NHS could have gone towards British defence. Instead, he decided he wanted that money for his own pockets. Secondly, if it wasn't for immigration, I think that Man United would have had about three of their starting 11 last night.

So Cobby Mino, Luke Shaw and Harry Maguire, not really going to beat West Ham with that, are you? And the kind of language of being colonised by immigrants, that moves beyond talking about immigration as a policy, which I'm all for. We should talk about every area of policy. You're talking about people, and you're talking about people who've come here

to live, to work, to have family, as though they're a hostile occupying force, taking away your language, your culture, your ability to survive. I mean, we know there are some voters who do believe that the language is being taken away, that their culture is being taken away. Where's the language being taken away? There are some people who believe that. Yeah, some people believe the moon's made of cheese,

but it doesn't mean they're right. What people, Victoria, horrible far right racists like me! As Paul Joseph Watson said, he's a hypocrite, for refusing to contribute to the colonisation of his own country, make it make sense. But look, there's a wider reality here. There's a macro point, because we as Brits have been ignored for 50 years, as this clip from Bradford posted earlier in the week spelled out in the most upsetting detail. I'm a pro. Alrey, I'm a Scotsman. I'm living in London. I've come all the way from London,

but I am a Britisher. And I am here, and I feel there is a great problem here in Bradford. I'm not a politician, I'm a working class man, I'm a member of the British public, I spent 11 and a half years in the British forces, I spent it in the Airborne and the SS, and I'm here now marching for these people, because to me we have been sold out all the way along the line by Heath, Wilson and everybody else, and I am not a politician, and I don't want to be interested in politics, just a member of British politics, British public, that's all. There's too many people in the country. Yeah, they keep laying these immigrants here, knowing very well that the mass majority are the British people against this immigration.

We've got enough in Bradford. Let's keep them out. We've got enough here. We've got enough over here. As Benedict Spence said, Sir Jim Ratcliffe's words, we've been unthinkable a few years ago. Today he'll be met with a lot of agreement. And the people howling with rage at him won't stop to consider why that is. Even immigrants like Zia Yusuf of Reform UK agreed Ratliff was right. Well, Sir Jim Radcliffe has said that he believes Britain has been colonised by immigrants and while some people might take issue with the bluntness of the language, I mean, Rackcliffe's always been a pretty blunt person. I think the point that he's making is absolutely valid.

You have, over the 14 years of Tory government, it was 14 million people arrived in the country gross around 6.5 million people net. And I'm obviously the son of immigrants. no one knows better than me, the invaluable contribution immigrants have made historically. But again, it's the sheer numbers. And it's also the motivations for people coming. So when my parents came to the country in the early 1980s, legal migration annually was roughly the same as what illegal migration by boats are today.

And if you look at the Boris wave, my parents came here to work, they've given 50 years of service to the NHS. It was a very small amount of legal immigration and people were coming here for very precise reasons to fill gaps in things like the NHS. If you fast forward to today, I mean, the Boris way, for example, the most egregious example of this, nobody voted for this. Well north of three million people arrived. The vast, vast, vast majority, this is legal immigration, did not come here on work visas. His leader, Nigel Farage, Wade in two, writing Britain has undergone unprecedented mass immigration that has changed the character of many areas in our country. Labour may try to ignore that, but reform won't.

Restore Britain's Rupert Lowe summed it up with three words. Jim is right. Advanced UK leader Ben Habib responded directly to slippery stammer by raging. No care stammer, you need to apologise. You and the last 30 years of government have done this to us. Former Prime Minister, Liz Trost said Ratcliffe is right. Now let's see him and fellow business leaders step up and help fix the country. We need their skills.

In particular, they need to replace the senior bureaucrats who have failed. And unite the kingdoms Tommy Robinson. pointed out how crooked our MSM really is, by rightly suggesting there's been more legacy media coverage and politician outrage in the few hours since Sir Jim Radcliffe told the truth than there was over the weeks of Rupert Lowe's private inquiry into rape gangs. Let that fucking sink in. Katie Hopkins praised Ratcliffe too, saying thank you, Sir Jim, it takes great courage to speak truth in the UK. Watch. Sir Jim Rackleckley.

has come out and said that the UK has been colonised by immigrants, I mean largely illegals. And of course all those who depend on the Muslim vote, because Muslims vote according to religion, say that this is terribly offensive and he should apologise. Well, no, it's just true. And he absolutely should not apologise. So Jim, if you're watching this, do not apologise. Never apologise. Never explain.

It only excites the miserable bastards. and what you spoke was truth. And I so applaud all others who went before Sir Jim and cleared the path so that he was able to say what he said. And former son editor Calvin McKenzie, who understands the beating heart of the British working class, argued raised in a council house, Sir Jim Rackcliffe went on to make billions, and poured a chunk of that into his boyhood club, Manu.

So when he says the UK has been colonised by immigrants who are costing too much money, he is to be listened to. Certainly, in some parts of the country, the density of migrants makes you wonder if you were still in Britain. You can be sure critics Gary Neville will be quick out of the trap will focus on the fact he now lives as a tax exile in Monaco. Let me point out, he and his company have paid more tax to our exchequer over the years than all his critics put together. And if I had been as successful as Ratcliffe, I wouldn't hang around the UK for two minutes to see how Stama and Pido's Aras chums were planning to spend my money. So where were the other billionaires? The other business leaders? So far I count one. But I'll celebrate him, the very brave Duncan Bannantine, ex-Dragon's Den Star,

who actually reposted Steve Laws when he said the more millionaires and billionaires that speak out, the stronger our voice becomes. Duncan responded, simply saying, agreed. Now, we can see every single day the impact of what Sir Jim Radcliffe is talking about. What about overnight, McJagger's fiancé, Malini Hamrick being left shaken and heartbroken after a physical attack in the richest area of Sadiq Khan's London? She posted on Instagram, this is incredibly hard to share, but I was physically attacked. Outside Annabelle's in Mayfair tonight. I'm so thankful to my friends for protecting me, two people grabbed me from behind,

and thank God for good people who stepped in to help me. I'm shaken, sad and heartbroken that people can treat each other this way. And what about the terror attack? At the school in North London, which the MSM, the authorities, and our political leaders have spent all week covering up, even though the suspected stabber shouted Alu Akbar and was arrested at a mosque. Now, the cops were desperate to point out that it was a British national arrested.

Of course they were. But the telegraph has now reported that the suspect is a British national, but the telegraph understands that the teenager's family are originally from Afghanistan. Officers had gone to the mosque after a report from a member of the public of a child being seen there. Witnesses to the school attack have claimed that the attacker shouted Alu Akbar. God is most great in Arabic. Detective said they could not confirm that. But some child witnesses had told officers they had heard.

heard the phrase being used. Well, they're not making it up, are they? Far too many of our elites have their heads in the sand. Like Sir Lenny Henry, who wants to bankrupt us with further reparations, calling for wait for it even more diversity. At this moment, watch. We're in a position where diversity, inclusion, and equality

are being downplayed. because it's seen as wokeery and woo-woo. I don't believe that I think diversity of ethnicity, gender and thought is really, really important in current climate. We need to not be preaching to the choir. We need difference around the table. Otherwise, we're going to keep having the same solutions to the same problems, and that is the epitome of madness.

If we don't change the way the room looks, we're not going to solve our problems because people are going to keep coming up with the same solutions. We have to unite. We have to be diverse. Otherwise, we're not going to move forward. And we want to move forward, don't we? What do you mean?

What do you mean? How can we move forward going on like this? Where there are literally teenage Islamists stabbing their classmates or former classmates while shouting Alu Akbar. How's your diversity project working, Sir Lenny Henry? And then there's James. O'Brien, regularly attacking anyone who questions his sick worldview as racist.

I've got a racist and an idiot for you in my inbox this morning, if you're interested, just to lighten the tone. Here's the racist. Can we have exactly the same phone in on the proliferation of Asian grooming gangs? Right, so racist, because we've been having those phonemes since 2011, mate. I mean, you could be forgiven for not listening, but you couldn't be forgiven for not hearing me reference the similarities between these two phenomena just 20 minutes ago, but you only care when they're brown, you see? You don't care when they're brown. You don't care white, which makes you both a racist and a paedophile apologist, which is an extraordinary thing to have chalked up on your CV by 1036 on a Wednesday morning.

I mean, you're totally revolting man, and you could imagine what he was saying this morning about Sir Jim Ratcliffe. He is just a taster. I want to know what it's like to be in a country where racism is back in fashion. What is it like as a member of an ethnic minority to be living in a country where racism is back in fashion? I wish there were a different phrase I could deploy at this moment. Racism is back in fashion. Racism has like flared trousers come back round again and is back in fashion.

It's still disgusting, it's still ignorant, it's still dangerous, but it's back in fashion. Jim Ratcliffe will suffer precisely no consequences for this. Precisely no consequences. Manchester United fans, much as I would like to get on my high horse and tell them that they should boycott the next game, come off it, it's not going to happen not on anything like a scale that would make a dent in this man's self-regard. We are living in a country

where racism is back in fashion. We are living in a country where people are sticking tattie flags on lamp posts to tell their brown neighbours that they're not welcome here. And the media will pretend that it's something else. Because much of the media is racist. It's everywhere.

But it's not being fashionable Clearly disgusting. But what is most disgusting is that Sir Jim Ratcliffe was forced into a U-turn, was forced into an apology, this MSM pressure, this attacking of his character, this bid to shut us all up, worked. with Sir Jim Ratcliffe issuing a statement earlier today saying, I am sorry that my choice of language has offended some people in the UK and Europe. It is important to raise the issue of control and well-managed immigration that supports economic growth.

No! You had nothing to apologize for. We must stop apologising. We must stop their. silencing us because there is such an issue. You can't walk the streets of Sadiq Khan, London, without being mugged. Even if you're engaged to a goddamn member of the Rolling Stones, you cannot send your children to school safely without being feared that a teenage Islamist might stab them in the neck. And just look at the streets. As the Reform UK activist Chris Rose said, this was Tower Hamlets.

Just over two months ago. Hard to disagree when there's areas like this that exist. I find scenes like this more offensive and wrong than his comments. You should apologize for allowing this. What is he talking about? Just watch. You, Sir Jim Radcliffe had nothing to apologise for. Well, one man who has been tracking this shocking decline since long before it was popular is Rafe Hadle Mancoo.

Back in 2022, he spoke out against the consensus by writing that, today's census results revealed that 42% of the 10 million foreign-born residents in England arrived in the last decade. And he then tracked the foreign-born population. In 1851, just 0.6% of people. 1901, 1.5%, 1951, 4.2% post-war. Even in 2001, though, 8.3%. When did things change? 2011, 12.7%, 20%, 20%. 2021, 16.6%. He says this cannot continue. And I'm delighted to say that Rafe Hedle Mancou joins me now. Rafe, so I wanted to give Sir Jim Radcliffe's comments the room to breathe before we came to his apology, because I'm just so disappointed. I'm so disappointed that he has gone there. So let's talk about his

comments first. Given you have crunched these numbers for years, can you really disagree with the fact that we are being colonised by immigrants? Yes, well, I mean, look, the viewers can make up their own minds on the statistics that you've seen before you. London's even worse. You know, 40% of people living in London are foreign born. Can you imagine that? London is the first major city in world history where the indigenous population have the... themselves become a minority within the space of one generation. This is completely unprecedented. But let me put another way. We've had more immigration to this country in the last 20 years than in the last 2,000 years combined. And no country, no culture, no society can sustain that rate of rapid

demographic change, or dare I say, survive that amount of change. And that's why the words of Jim Ratcliffe resonated with the British public. I would say the majority of the British public know exactly what he means. Yes, a blunt choice of words, but most British people have experienced life at the coalface of the dark side of diversity. And the Lenny Henrys of this world,

the Kirstalmers and others, they live in bubbles. They don't see the dark side of diversity on a daily basis. For them, immigration means a gardener, a cook, an opair, a nanny, a cheap plumber. They don't see the anti-social behavior, people not queuing for buses, people spitting and dropping litter on the street. Many of those things you can't actually blame migrants for because they're coming from cultures where that's perfectly normal. They don't understand British traits, but it's that clash of cultures.

And we have imported, unfortunately, the vast majority of those people who have come to this country have been low-skilled immigrants from culturally incompatible nations. And that's the reason. And it is right. Intolerance is rising in this country. racism is rising in this country, as James O'Brien said. But why is that? Because the British people have been swamped. The British people are still the world's third least racist country in the world,

amazingly tolerant. But when you see your culture being diminished, when you see you're in a battle for survival, that's why people are flying flags from Lampos. They're doing it as an act of last resort because they've been failed and betrayed by their government, failed by Stama, failed by Boris Johnson, Johnson, no one is standing up for the English and so they are flying the English flag almost as a sign

of distress. And, Rafe, I mean, things are so bad and we get examples every single day. And it's not about wanting to be negative or do down our country. It's about the very real threats that people feel. And I cover them every single day. But that's why I thought the examples over the past 24 hours were so stark because you've got a very privileged woman, a very wealthy woman, a very rich woman in the fiance of Mick Jagger being attacked literally outside Annabels. I mean, you know Annabelle's Ralph, it's pretty much the poshous destination in London, right? So you're not safe there, but neither is a 13-year-old going to school in Brent, North London. And I think both those stories actually represent the decline because no one is safe if we continue on this path. And the

problem that I have now is that people are going to look at Sir Jim Ratcliffe and think, oh, I'd rather just leave the country than speak out. Because if I speak out, I'm going to be condemned by the goddamn prime minister. But the British people aren't buying it any longer. The fact that he felt comfortable enough to use the word colonisation shows you how far and how quickly the Overton window has shifted. in almost month by month. We are having conversations in 2026 that were unimaginable in January, February of 2025 because actually now we are beginning to see

the results of this unprecedented experiment in real time, as you say, affecting everyone. Joan Collins and Shirley Bassie have been attached in places like Knightsbridge. I was at Annabelle's just two weeks ago. I can easily see why you get those scenes there because around you see these people swarming around.

Look, Britain is now the World Centre for acid attacks. We have gangs of youth in the street with machetes. We have honour killings. We have child killings. We have child marriage, rather. We have forced marriage in this country. Of course, we now have a situation. This is quite unbelievable where the Metropolitan Police in London now have a department training officers how to detect child abuse linked to witchcraft rituals, thanks to immigration from parts of Central Africa and so forth. You know, people being beheaded on the streets. I loved history as a child because of the Tudors, you know, beheadings and witchcraft trials. I never thought that would be returned to the streets of 21st century

Britain. This is why the British people are up in arms and feel that their culture is being stolen from them. And so, of course, where people say things like colonisation, it does get the people talking about it, but that's what we need. We need to have a discussion about this, and we need to focus people's attention on mass migration, which in my view has been the greatest act of harm in our nation's history, far more consequential than the cost of fighting the Second World War. Yet we were never given a vote on mass immigration. This is why people are so enraged.

We were given a vote on leaving the European Union, but mass immigration is far more consequential than Brexit, and the British people were never asked. Indeed, when they were asked at general elections, they voted in governments to bring the immigration down and they had that betrayed time and time again. So true. Then we come to the apology itself, Rave.

Just want to analyze this. So he said in a statement, I mean, to me, this is a hostage video apology. He probably feels totally under attack. But I always wish people didn't do it. But I've been there. I know what it's like. Probably someone else wrote this for him and said,

you've got to release this or we're going to lose all of this business. but he wrote, My comments were made while answering questions about UK policy at the European Industry Summit in Antwerp, where I was discussing the importance of economic growth, jobs, skills and manufacturing in the UK. My intention was to stress that governments must manage migration alongside investment in skills, industry and jobs

so that long-term prosperity is shared by everyone. It is critical that we maintain an open debate on the challenges facing the UK. So that's the wider context, which I think is absolutely fine for him to have delivered. But then the key line that you know everyone is going to pick up on, Rafe, I am sorry that my choice of language has offended some people in the UK and Europe and caused concern. But it is important to raise the issue of controlled and well-managed immigration that supports economic growth. So in some ways you could argue it's actually a non-apology apology, but the point is he shouldn't have apologized. He had nothing to apologize for. Yeah, exactly.

The Cardinal rule never apologised. The people who get upset about these things will never be satisfied by an apology. It will only emboldened them to go after you even more. And it is a huge source of regret that even somebody as powerful as Sir Jim Ratcliffe felt compelled to do this. Obviously, not one word if it went into that statement.

That was all carefully crafted by his legal and PR team. But I wish he could have gone the further mile and had the backbone of others. the billionaires. Look at Elon Musk. Look at J.K. Rowling when it comes to the trans issue. People who are willing to actually make that final stand, whatever the consequences might be, we need more people to be brave. Because once people like that stand up, once billionaires stand up, that will emboldened others. It will be that I-Sparticus moment when other people will say, well, actually, that reflects my view and my opinion too. But luckily, we're already

having this conversation. So I think the apology is pretty much a secondary story to what he said originally. We're discussing that issue more than the apology. Yeah, and I think that's what was really critical to me, because I know what the mainstream media are going to do. They're going to focus on trying to destroy this guy. They're going to focus on the fact that he has had to issue a grovelling apology. That's how they will frame it. Whereas for me, you're completely right, Rafe. Let's not get away from the issue, because the issue is what matters. And the issue is what he has been brave enough to put on the agenda. Dominic Cummings is now warning of street violence in the United Kingdom

if governments continue to ignore the will of the British people. I think all of this fits with a growing fear amongst former members of the elite class, I would put Sir Jim Ratcliffe in that category as well, who are realising the UK is a tinderbox and the government simply has no solution to this growing sense of unrest from the British public. So I want to take you through what Cummings said in his substact post. He's done a whole load of deep, deep research, which effectively just reveals what I tell you every single day, which is that the government is completely disconnected from where the people are on a whole range of issues.

but most notably the cultural destruction of Britain and mass immigration. But Cummings wrote, I think it will be resolved this year, whether A, Stama and Kemiabind, as I said, would happen last year, and the two old parties are irreversibly splintering. B. Whether Nigel Farage's promises are true, or the cynics are right, and it's clear that a reform government would be just another SW1 clown show.

C, whether elite fragmentation generates, a serious alternative, or D, if not, then the rush to the exits of talent and money will accelerate as people realize that the next election is heading for either a Farage clown show or a red, green, yellow, Hamas, Trune, Scottnatt, Rainbow Coalition, raising the probability of financial crisis and street violence. And here's the key line, which may arrive anyway. before then given SW1's disintegration. And Rafe, the reason why I respect this substact from Dominant Cummings, I mean, it goes on for about 20,000 words or something,

so I've just taken one of the key parts. But it's because I don't agree with the guy and a lot of stuff, but I think where he is completely correct is that there is a total disconnect between our Westminster class, the political class, the elite class, and the people, and the people are getting angry, the people are realizing that they're not being listened to. A lot of people are giving full carte blanche and hope to Nigel Farage and Reform UK, yet critics like me look at what reform are offering and thinking,

oh, this actually isn't looking like it's going to save the country at all. But the key line rave, street violence, which has never been something which is as prominent in the United Kingdom as in another European democracy like France. But we've got to be honest about it, Rafe. This is something that is now being openly talked about, and it's the reason why the Home Office have launched a preemptive campaign, effectively saying their number one priority

is to stop more riots this summer. Well, why do you think we have a clampdown on free speech? If we hadn't had mass immigration, we would not have seen the clamp down on free speech that we've seen because it's only by silencing the truth tellers the people who are actually raising awareness, people like you and me and others who are talking about this, that you can keep the myth that diversity is the greatest strength on the road

and you can keep the multiculturalism bandwagon going. And there's nothing worse that a country can do, that a government can do, than to ignore the warning signs. I've just said, you know, people have been voting in election after election, having that vote betrayed. They're seeing the industrial scale rape of young girls.

They're seeing these terror attacks. They're seeing their towns and communities change beyond all recognition. voting isn't working for them. That's why this next election is crucial. I think this is the most important election in modern British history. It will determine the future of this country. We need to get to grips on this and start reversing mass immigration. Because if we don't, yes, I do fear we will be leading to a situation of civil war.

Now, when I say civil war, I'm not talking about the American civil war or the English civil war that saw two sides going against each other with nobody in between. it's going to be much closer to the Northern Ireland sectarianism we saw, where you had Protestants and Catholics with the British Army in between. That's the potential for this country, where you have radical Islam on one side, which is already well advanced and well developed, and the small but growing nascent white identity movement,

which is still very small, but over the next five, ten years, could easily rival the radical Islam, and then with the British army trying to keep the peace between the two of them. This is classical Mao. insurgency. This is what Professor David Betts, Professor of War Studies, King's College has said. So the radical Muslims, they've got a war trunk, they've got a warboosy, they've been raising funds for the last 20 years, they've got a militia. You saw that during the Southport protest where he had this Muslim Defence League. They can call upon those. They've got criminal gangs raising money.

They've got access to weapons. They now have no-go zones where police have to ask for permission to come in. They've begun to basically have their own MPs in office. They've begun to intimidate at elections, launching arson attacks, terror attacks, intimidation. This is now going to happen on the far right with the white identity movement as it rises up to meet it. That is a threat. And that's all been brought about by people like Stama and Boris Johnson and others putting their heads in the sand and failing to deal with these issues where they could have been dealt with far more easily. They've allowed this to get out of control. This is all, Mr James O'Brien, this is all on your plate. Yeah, totally, totally. But, Rave,

so many chilling warnings of what's to come. But the thing is what you're saying is agreed by so many people from Elon Musk to David Betts, who by the way said an interview with David Starkey last week. And I know you're a historian too, Rafe. When you look back at this, people will say 2026, the British Civil War had already begun. It's happening. It has already started even though we don't have that street violence yet. And I think what's very frustrating to me is, that alongside people like James O'Brien, we have other elites like Pierce Morgan, who has an outsized voice when it comes to being almost like a representation of the United Kingdom on the world stage, who just refuse to acknowledge what's really going on. And what I feel so

embarrassed about as a Brit is that we have the likes of Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson, who do not live here, but who follow very closely and watch with horror what has been going on in the United Kingdom because they don't want the same thing to happen in the US, constantly schooling peers, who literally is saying, everything's fine, nothing to see here. And there's been two recent examples of that that I just want to show you, Rafe, before I get you to react.

Hang on, hang on. You have in Great Britain have lost your culture. You seated your culture to a bunch of radical Muslims who came in and took over, and now it's gone. We're not allowing that here, whether it's Hispanic, whether it's Muslim. It's not happening in the United States of America. That's why President Trump was elected. Do you think London's a better city than it was 40 years ago?

Well, statistically, the murder rate is actually been plummeting in London. Do you know any... I'm good. I tell you the problem in London. What we really need in London... Wait, do you think it's a better city than it was 40 years ago, for real? Yeah. But England is about 70% why?

England. Yes. Okay. Well, it was... London is the capital. It was 99% in 1945. Okay, so we've evolved. Statistical fact that I think by 2,100, we will be a minority white country.

2063, as of today. Here's my question of you. So what? Well, let me refer to the beginning of our conversation when you said that the people who live in a country define the character of that country. So what, Rave? He doesn't care. He doesn't give a damn. And unfortunately, this is something which is starting to expose the elite class.

We saw it with Andrew Gold's interview with Steve Laws quite recently where he said, oh, it's just inevitability that the white people are going to be wiped out. We've just got to accept it. Well, would the Japanese accept it? Would the Chinese accept it? Would the Nigerians accept it? No, they would not. And this is why you get the anger.

Absolutely. You're talking about the extinction of one of the greatest peoples in the world. Britain created the modern world. A large part of that was because of the exceptionism and genius of the Western mind, particularly of the anglospheric mind. There are lots of reasons for that. I've done podcasts on this. You can watch my trigonometry

to discussion on this where I explain why the Western mind particularly is so unique. And of course, once you change that population, you change the culture. And when does Britain stop being Britain? If it's only 30% white British, will it still be Britain?

What is the common culture going to be? What are going to be the things that unite us together? It used to be, you know, comedy shows, sporting events, music. That's not going to apply in the few. I actually forecast by the late 2050s, the white British could be a minority in this country. And it's absolutely disgrace. I would say it's traitorous not to be concerned about that loss. I actually put it, you know, he, Pearz Morgan tweeted about this yesterday saying Britain's not being overrun by radical Islam.

He's got, you know, millions of followers. I have more likes for my reply to his tweet than he got on his tweets. Where I said, you know, there are one in every hundred Muslims in this country is on MI5's. Terrell watch list. We need to wake up. That's larger than the size of Hamas on October the 7th, 2020. That's larger than the size of the ISIS army in Iraq when it launched its offensive in 2014. We need to wake up to that. 9% of Muslims, according to polling, identify as being Islamists or supporters of terrorism. Now, of course, there are many Muslims who are integrated, and that's to be celebrated. But 9% is around 400,000 people. There's a serious stuff. By 2050, we, we, We could have more Muslims on the terror watch list.

If the population doubles or trebles as it's forecast to, the number of Muslims on the terror watch list will be larger than the full-time British army. It's already half the size of the full-time British army. This is a national security risk just as big, I would say probably bigger than China or Russia posed to this country, yet nothing is being done about it. Instead, what you get are people like Piers Morgan safe in his ivory tower, saying there's nothing to worry about here. I will trade all you chaps off. I'll trade you, Dan, and you, Rafe, off for a nice way to do country somewhere.

Exactly for my chicken teakabasala. I mean, Raif, the problem is what happens when one of these Islamist attacks at a school, for example, turns deadly? Is that going to be enough? Or are we just going to watch this happen without saying a thing? I mean, I find it so shocking that a 13-year-old entered a school in North London, yelling, Alu Akbar, brutally stabbed one of his classmates, attacked another, both were in serious condition in hospital. He was discovered in a mosque rave. His parents hail from Afghanistan. Yet all that's happened this week is as far as I'm concerned a gaslighting effort by the mainstream media, the authorities and our politicians to say nothing to see here. Yeah, terror police are looking at it, but it's a British national, you know. It's a British national. And it's about the knives. It's just about knife crime. No one is talking about Islam yet again.

The elephant in the room. He shouted Alu Akbar as he entered the classroom and started to stab his classmates or former classmates to the point where blood was smatted on the glass and the kids were inside banging and screaming. That happened in London this week. It's not a big story, Rafe, because they don't want it to be a big story. Of course, because they're scared of the consequences. Remember what happened after Lee Rigby and so forth.

There was huge media attention. Now, of course, these things are coming more commonplace as well. So we're also becoming desensitized to it. But absolutely, there is an attempt made here to pull the wall over the British public's eyes because they're scared of our reaction. Now, as you said earlier, the French are famous for revolting,

you know, the French are revolting, as we like to say. But I actually despair about what it will take for this country to actually stand up. You know, we had the Manchester Arena bombing. We had the London Bridge and Westminster Bridge attacks. We've had the Manchester bombing. We've had the Lee, Ripley beheadings. Of course, we had the Southport protests or Southport murders of those young girls. What's it going to take for the British people to rise up?

I sort of look with envy at Ireland, because Ireland had mass immigration for a much shorter period of time. But there are only 5 million people, and they've experienced percentage-wise more immigration. And the Irish have had to fight for their culture and their history and their independence historically. So they know what it means to lose all of that stuff. So they took to the streets and they riot and they actually, not that I'm encouraging people to riot, but they make their voices known very strongly in a way that we don't hear. And I suspect it's because we've always been top dog before. We've never had to actually fight for what we have in this country or defend it.

And so we are rather like the frog in the increasingly board. boiling pot of water. But I can guarantee you, my mother's Polish, if this were happening in Poland or behind the former Iron Curtain countries where they did have to fight for their survival and defend their national identity, they would be taking to the streets in a way that we're not here. Yeah, totally. Absolutely. I sometimes look at Ireland and think, you know what, you guys are right to realize, quite how bad things are. But it hasn't been the British way. That's why it's very interesting, though, Dominic Cummings, predicting. that street violence may just be inevitable before the next election.

It might just be too late. And it was all going to depend. And that's why you see every time there's a crime, the police's priority is actually just about dealing with the reaction to the crime. That's why you see so much information control. And as Rafe said earlier, a crackdown on free speech. Now, King Charles's attempt to blame his late mother, Queen Elizabeth II for the Andrew Mountbatten Windsor debacle has today been completely undermined.

Now, you know I have covered this situation with nuance, but I have been increasingly angry seeing Buckingham Ballas's attempt to in some way undermine the incredible legacy of Queen Elizabeth II over the former Prince Andrew scandal. Given that it was Charles himself, who was effectively running the monarchy, when the massive payoff was made, and it was Charles himself who decided to bring Andrew and even Sarah Ferguson back into the Royal Fold following his mother's death. But the bombshell revelation from the Sun newspaper today exposing the fact that Charles put 1.5 million pounds of his own money into the settlement between Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor and the now-deceasing.

Virginia Dufre, blows that story to Smithereens. So I want to take you through these shocking new details which the son has headlined credit cad. They say this was a loan made by Andrew's parents and his brother Charles, but he is yet to give any of the money back. The breakdown of the finances is fascinating. The late Queen said to have stumped up seven million pounds for the 22 settlement, with another three million pounds coming from Prince Phillips' estate. But in a damning revelation for Buckingham Palace, some 1.5 million pounds was paid by the then-Prince-Charles, with other royals also chipping into Stopmers Dufre's sexual abuse case. A source said Andrew's not paid back a penny. Now, you'll realize that sources

had suggested that Andrew would be able to make a whole load of money from selling his Swiss Ski-Shalet. That didn't happen. He's never been good with money. As source added, as far as anyone knows, he is still not repaid a single penny of the millions he borrowed. The money from the royal family bought her silence but denied Virginia her day in court and the chance to openly challenge his account of what happened. The Windsors agreed to fund the settlement, believing it would help draw a line under the scandal ahead of the Platinum Jubilee in February 2022. A source told us at the time the royal family had decided to take a little from here and a little from there. as also told the son, Andrew lied to his own family, about the extent of his relationship with

Jeffrey Epstein, they bankrolled his payoff to his accuser Virginia Dufray, they bought his lies and helped him to try and make the problem go away. His own mother, the late queen, was left heartbroken by the scandal, but she could not face banishing Andrew, who was still her beloved son. She knew this was a problem that his brother Charles would tackle once she was gone. It only pushed the scandal down the road. People will be shocked to know. So much came from the estate of his father, Prince Philip, who had died a year earlier. You can't imagine the Duke of Edinburgh ever would have expected that his savings would end up being spent on hush money. And Matt Wilkinson, the son's royal editor, described this dirty deal as a whip-round based on lies. He said it was a

multi-million-pound family whip-round like no other. It was based on Andy's assurances to his parents and siblings that he had done nothing wrong. He said that it left Charles with a ticking time bomb in his entry. Andrew is now in Sandrine where his brother will fund his new life so he is no longer a burden on the Crown Estate or anyone else. But the late Queen and Philip's mother will never be repaid and Charles is also unlikely to get his cash back. Now there is a growing demand within the British elite class for King Charles to go further and harder on his brother with Matthew Saeed appearing on the British Bashing Corporation's news night last night

and suggesting that he should immediately be booted out of Sandrineham having just arrived from Royal Lodge two weeks ago. Watch. I think the king, if I was advising him, should say, publicly, that he is demanding that Andrew testifies in Congress, cooperates fully with the police investigation, and that he exerts a sanction on Andrew if he fails to do so. Andrew, where is he living at the moment?

Sandra. Sanjuring him. I mean, he should eject him. I mean, the public won't stand for anything less. The abuse of children is one part of this, but both Mandelson and Andrew are alleged to have been given government secrets and market-sensitive information to enrich them

It is outrageous that he's staying in an accommodation of the British head of state. And potentially one big question for the King is his statements in recent days and months have been saying, we must put the survivors first. They must be heard. Turns out he made a payment to something that was to keep Virginia, Dufre, quiet during the Jubilee. And the problem for the King is that we now have a former Prime Minister weighing in. Gordon Brown, who feels personally burned by the Peter Mandelson scandal, is now demanding that the police investigator Andrew in relation to Epstein's Lollita Express.

This is a bombshell column in the new statesman this week, where Brown said he had spent the last week looking at the Epstein files, documents relating to the disgraced financier, and he writes, what I discovered about the abuse of women by male predators and their enablers, and Britain's as yet unacknowledged role, has shocked me to the core. It demands an in-depth police investigation and is by far the biggest scandal of all. Referring to the BBC investigation into Epstein's private planes arriving and departing from UK airports,

he wrote that women were transferred from one Epstein plane to another. A number of logs for his planes identified women on board only as unnamed females. He said it seems the authority never knew that was happening. In short, British authorities had little or no idea who was being trafficked through our country and for whom other than Epstein. I have asked the Met urgently to re-examine their decision-making in their investigation and the subsequent reviews. Every women who have been mentioned in the Epstein files whose names should have been requested months ago from the US Department of Justice who not appear to have been contacted by British investigators. I have been told privately that the investigations related to the former Prince Andrew

did not properly check vital evidence of flights. I have asked the police to look at this as part of their inquiry. He added that Stansett Airport was one of the airports where women were transferred from one Epstein plane to another. The Stanssted revelations alone require them, require them to interview Andrew. So that is on this next trafficking side. That's before you get to the misconduct and public office investigations, which while we were live on air last night, the Thames Valley Police said they were in discussions with prosecutors

at the Crown Prosecution Service about. But more details on that emerging, and it's again not good news for Andrew. With the Royal Reporter Robert Jobson putting it this way, Epstein files bombshell, Andrew Mountbattenwin's afforded confidential. UK trade papers to Jeffrey Epstein outlining gold and uranium investment opportunities in Afghanistan. Briefing prepared by UK officials sent in 2010, the BBC reports it has seen the documents.

And that is indeed the case. They say it was prepared for Andrew by UK officials and then forwarded to Epstein in December 2010. So a huge amount to get into now with Rafe Hidal-Manku. Raph, look, this is obviously a massive crisis for the British monarchy, the British royal family. There are two schools of thought about how the king should try to deal with this. But I do think today's revelation in the sun provide a hammer blow to the argument that he has been using thus far, and the one that I have a problem with, which is that, oh, This was all down to Queen Elizabeth II, and my mother left me in this situation.

Because as I have been reporting for some time, rave, that is just intellectually dishonest. The late Queen was 94 years old, 95 years old, before these settlement discussions even began. And she was battling terminal cancer. The decision in regards to the payoff was made by Charles to the point that we now know he put and 1.5 million pounds of his own money. So what does the monarch need to do, Rafe, to get in control of what appears to be an unraveling situation? So I think the king is the one issue,

upon which you and I probably would clearly disagree, Dan. Look, I can quite understand why there's this. I don't, firstly, I don't think he's placing the blame on Queen Elizabeth the second. And secondly, I think the decisions he made were made in good faith, believing that Andrew was telling the truth at the time. You had the arrival of the platinum Jubilee. The monarchy wanted to avoid that dominating events. So I can see they thought this was a one-off situation.

There wouldn't be any other cases of this. There were questions around Virginia Dufray. They believed him. They shouldn't have believed him. They have been left with Ego on their face as a result. But in terms of what he should do now, look, the scales of justice are turning against Prince Andrew in this country. Hitherto all the push has been for him to go to America to testify to Congress. Now it seems as if British justice may have a chance to get him on three different areas,

on sex trafficking, on misconduct in public office, and for violating both the Official Secrets Act and the National Security Act. Now, misconduct and office and the National Security Act, they potentially carry life imprisonment sentences as well. Matthew Sire was talking about kicking Andrew out of Sandringham. Andrew would love to flee Sandringham. The first thing Andrew would do if he was able to would be to go to Abu Dhabi where he has Yusufa Palace

and he would be essentially is a flight risk and it's only the king who's keeping him on British territory by having him at arm's length at Wood Farm and later at Marsh Farm at Sandringham. That's why he's there. You know, it's January for heaven's day. Andrew would much rather be in the Middle East than in damp, wet Norfolk at this time of year

He's got many business interests out there. He's respected out there. He's treated as part of the family. Many of the families in Dubai and Saudi Arabia and elsewhere don't care a jot or tittle about any of this story that's engulfing us. So he could have a much happier life in those areas. Would it be better for him to just go, Rafe? I mean, he's been cut off increasingly by his daughters, Eugenie and Beatrice.

Would that not solve the issue? I mean, if you think about William's view, of Harry and Megan. He wants exile. He wants them to be treated in the same way as the Duke of Windsor and Wallace Simpson. Would it not make more sense now for the king for Andrew to leave the country and never to return? Now, of course, that would cause huge issues in terms of the pressure of the fact that he was running away from justice and not prepared to face justice. But at least he would be gone.

This, of course, is what happened with Edward of the 8. When he abdicated the throne became the Duke of Windsor, he was banished. He was sent off to the Bahamas to reign there for a while and then ended up in Paris. I would have said that when there was talk about taking him out of Royal Lodge, putting him into Frogmore Cottage, that would have been the time where he should have actually gone outside of the country. That would have been appropriate. But now, of course, the focus is on British justice and the police are investigating misconduct in an office. and we've got also calls now by the former Prime Minister

to investigate the use of sex trafficking or British girls. And remember, we now know that Andrew brought allegedly sex traffic girls into royal residences, into Royal Lodge, into... I had a big discussion on my New Culture Forum think tank with Andrew Lowney. He was detailing... Yes, I watched it. It was brilliant. Detailing how Andrew allegedly was bringing prostitutes into Buckingham Palace. So they now, Royal Residence, could potentially...

be under the purview of a criminal investigation as well. So I think the dial has changed now, and he does need to be held to account, or at least he needs to give evidence and testify and make his case, because of course he still is innocence until proven guilty. How difficult is that for the royal family, Rafe, the idea that you could have the King's son facing trial in the King's Court represented by a King's Count. Does that pose constitutional issues, or is it different now that Andrew has effectively been thrust out of the British Royal Family? I mean, he remains in the line of succession, though. Well, only one person in this country is immune from prosecution.

That is his majesty, the sovereign, in whose name the law is enacted. But look, let me put it this way. We often talk about the perfumers scandal in 1963, which actually led to the downfall eventually of the Conservative McMillan government. We talk about the abdication crisis of 1936 when it was. or the eighth abdicated. This crisis is a bigger crisis than both of those combined. We're living through in monumental times. And you can see that, for example, in the statement that the king put out this week, completely unprecedented, where he said that they would support a police investigation into a member of the royal family, unprecedented to say that.

And also, the king publicly condemned his brother for the first time, saying he had profound concern at the allegations against Mr. Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor. I don't think we've ever heard the palace say Mr before, because in law he's still the Duke of York. So by saying Mr, what they're saying is this is our way of saying, this is a private citizen. He must be judged fairly without fear or paper. And the king did this. No, look, I have a nuanced position on all of this, Rafe.

I really do. I absolutely believe a lot of the coverage is designed to undermine. the British royal family by Republicans. And I have always been fair in my coverage. I mean, I get criticized from both sides because do we want another death? Do we want to drive Andrew to suicide to or being unalive too? I do think this is an incredibly difficult situation, but it does have to be covered. That is the key point. We can't just turn away anymore because looking the other way hasn't worked for so long. Could there be a second abdication crisis in the United Kingdom?

And how would that actually work? Is it simply up to the king on his own? Or is there a potential way for the Prime Minister of the day, potentially working with Prince William, if it comes to that point to put pressure on the monarch to go? Now I ask this question, of course, because in recent days, the whole issue of the abdication has been put back on the table by Andrew Launey, the author of Entitled, that bombshell book about Andrew, which did result at least in part in his most recent downfall, saying that the way he believes the British Royal Family could recover most successfully would be for Charles to, immediately passed the throne to his untainted son, Prince William. Watch. You talked earlier about, and I asked you, could this lead to the end of the king's reign?

And you said, yes, many people texting me this morning saying, the only way out of this for the monarchy is for King Charles to abdicate and pass the throne to William and start a new era. Is the future King William implicated at all? Do you feel I'm not, I mean, could he be held responsible? overview of the monarchy or would that be a clean break in your mind i think that would be a clean break i think that we're moving towards that that position just because of the cack-handed way that they've dealt with it um i don't think william knew uh i certainly don't think he can be uh blamed for anything uh i think he's tried to interfere clearly there's a hierarchy there and he can only do so much uh it's charles and i'm afraid the former queen who really have the answers

questions to answer and also you said yesterday let's not forget the images of King Charles years ago with three million pounds in plastic bags from donors across the Middle East. That's a fact, right? It's a fact. Yes. I mean, I think, you know, there are questions, I'm afraid, for the King and his dealings in the Middle East and to support Dumfrey's house. William, you know, seems to be clean. And I do think we are moving to a position where the easiest thing would be for the King to abdicate. Now, you know, I'm not actually at that point. I am not advocating for an abdication as a believer in hereditary monarchy, you have to be incredibly careful before you start going down that

path. But after Andrew Launy's interview, I wanted to ask you, the outspoken audience here on YouTube, and we have had an overwhelming response with over 70,000 of you taking part in our megapole. The results might shock you. It wasn't even close. Should King Charles abdicate and allow Prince William to take the throne because of the Epstein Andrew scandal. 77% of outspoken viewers saying yes, just 23% saying King Charles should remain on the throne. Rafe Haidle Mancu is of course a royal author, historian and senior fellow at the New Culture Forum. So, Rave, I want to talk to you about the logistics of abdication here.

Like, absolutely, I take it as red, but feel free to go into it that you disagree with this, right? You believe Charles should not even consider abdication. Yes, absolutely. The king has no need to abdicate and the king won't abdicate. But I'm very happy to go into the theoreticals of it, I'm an academic perspective. Yeah, that's what I'm interested in, right? Because how does abdication work? constitutionally, is this literally only a question for the king?

Or is there any process in law that allows the prime minister and the heir to the throne to have a formal role? Or is it literally down to the conscience of the monarch? Well, I mean, we never know what happens in those private meetings between the prime minister and the king. But there is a difference here because, of course, it does have to be the monarch's decision on whether to abdicate or not. Pressure can, of course, be applied if the situation with Syria and us,

be it ill health, be it mental issues, or be it involvement in some hugely outrageous scandal or something, none of which applies in this case. The constitutional reality is normally the monarch acts on the advice of the prime minister. When it comes to abdication, it is that the monarch acting on their own advice, he has to essentially create a, or something, or something, something that's called an instrument of abdication. This is the precedent set by Edward the 8th. Because remember, we're the only monarchy where you don't have abdication. You now even have popes abdicating, as we saw with Benedict the 16th.

You even have Muslim potentates abdicating. You've got across Europe now abdication. We're the last country that doesn't have abdication. My own view is that William will be the first king to abdicate and we'll set a trend now because we're going to have an era where you're just going to have very old monarchs coming to the throne. And it's always been young monarchs coming to the throne. that have inspired the nation, have revived the fortunes of the monarchy.

We think of the young Victoria, the young Elizabeth. William and Catherine are going to be middle age when they take to the throne. I think he's going to start a trend where when he's around 70 or 75, he'll abdicate, to give George a chance to be a young king. That's my prediction, at least. But yes, the monarch would sign an instrument of abdication. The king would then communicate that privately to the prime minister. to pass legislation because we have a constitutional monarchy,

Parliament must actually enact it. But abdication is so complicated for us because we have a transnational monarch. I sometimes not only say we have a trans monarch because the monarch is actually monarch of 15 other realms around the world. So the Canadian government and the Australians and the New Zealanders and the Jamaicans would all have to either consent to the UK legislation

or pass their own legislation. And that would be a time when many of them would decide, do we want to keep the monarchy at all or become a republic? So abdicating this huge profound constitutional, international consequences as well. And you need, of course, to go through lots of different things in terms of the Church of England again, just as you did after the death of the Queen and with Parliament.

By the way, Rafe, I think you are absolutely spot on when it comes to Williams' view on this matter, what people don't realise, and it's in part because Kensington Palace and Buckingham Palace don't really want these things. discussed is that William is currently thinking the unthinkable about a whole load of issues. I'm sure some of them absolutely horrify you, Rafe, as a traditionalist. You know, we're talking about not being the head of the King of England, head of the Church

of England, not being the head of the Commonwealth. But also this idea of a lifetime reign is not necessarily something William will sign up to. Of course, much of it will depend on George himself. Like, does George actually want to take the throne? Does he have a hunger for the power and the constitutional role? Because we know with William, for example, he doesn't want the throne early, actually. He loves the fact that he is raising his children as an heir to the throne rather than the monarch himself. But I do think there might be something to be said for it, although you do then start to get into the area of what is the point of a monarchy

at all if we just so easily pass it on down the generations. This is something we've seen a lot with European monarchies, Rafe, but at the same time, European monarchies don't have the power or the prestige of our monarchy. And that is partly because of the fact that we don't abdicate. Yeah, the nature of the British monarchy is so different to how it's seen elsewhere in Europe. Remember, we're the only ones to have a proper coronation service. So we almost have a spiritual connection with the monarchy. It is the golden thread that winds its way through almost every aspect of our society. Every institution of this country takes its authority from the crown. Civil service, the police, the army, the royal mail, everything we have is tied to the monarchy

in some way. And central to that is this, you know, with the only monarchy where we crown the king or queen with a crown, cementing that bond, the idea of a covenant between the monarch and the people. almost like a sacrament, the queen saw it as a sacrament like becoming a priest. So that means it's a lifelong commitment. And if you can start to pick and choose who becomes the next monarch or decide when that happens, that does call into question. Many of the philosophical arguments for monarchy in this country, but of course, as long as it does, it still adhere to the line of succession.

And you do know this is still being passed down through the hereditary process, through primogenitor. I think it wouldn't be that controversial in the, in the, in the, latter part of the century to make such a change, although I personally would regret it, along with, of course, many of the other modernising schemes. Yes. Although, Rafe, our monarchy has had an amazing ability to reinvent. And let's just go back to the last abdication crisis and involving King Edward V. 8th.

And it would have been so easy to predict that the monarchy would not survive that. I mean, all of a sudden, a family who was not prepared to take the throne, took over, and of course it did give us the second Elizabethan era. So I think the predictions of the death of the monarchy are massively overstated at the moment because I do believe that in William and Catherine and George and their young children, there is that potential to reinvent because this is one of the most popular royal families ever. And there are echoes, aren't there, of the family of the young queen when she all of a sudden became heir to the throne. You know, that was a very popular family in the same way.

But going back to that abdication crisis, what actually happened there? I mean, how much pressure was he under? because, of course, he made the decision to do it, but presumably on the strong advice of the Prime Minister. Yes, well, he was also very closely advised by Winston Churchill, who was one of the only politicians who was on King Edward's side, actually, and Churchill took a lot of flack for that. But he was given a choice.

It was a sort of a sophish choice. Either you can remain king emperor, or you can follow your heart. And as he said in his speech, you know, I can't go on without the help and support of the woman I love. And so if you were to have a coronation today, it would follow along the same lines, essentially. Edward VIII became the Duke of Windsor, stopped being his majesty.

William would take on all those titles of King, and King Charles would become the Duke of Somewhere, his rule highness, the Duke of Somewhere, although probably socially he would still be called the king. Queen Camilla, she was queen in her own right. she was crowned as such. Now, under the common law, the queen takes the status from the husband. That's how it works in our system. But she said, but she would potentially remain queen dowager, even though her husband was no longer king, unless she were to be stripped of that title.

But that would seem to be a very punitive punishment for her, given that she didn't do anything in any of this. So it brings up all sorts of interesting constitutional and protocol issues. But ultimately, it is the decision of one man, the man upon whose head, wears the crown. But also to your other point, just remember what King Fulruca of Egypt said. He said, eventually there'll only be five kings left in the world, the king of aces, diamonds, hearts and clubs and spades, and the king of England as well. The beauty of the British monarchy has been its ability to evolve and adapt with the times. It always looks the same, but it makes these subtle changes, never being ahead of the curve, ahead of fashion, but always following closely in its wake.

That's why we still have a monarchy here when you don't get them in Germany, in Italy or elsewhere in Europe. Absolutely fascinating insight and analysis from the brilliant Rafe Hidal-Manku, author, historian, and of course senior fellow at the new Culture Forum, Rafe, so brilliant to have you back on Outspoken. We will speak very soon. And of course we are about to announce the worst Britain in the world this week. your nominees are the union jackasses from across the week. On Monday, Rafe wouldn't like this. You nominated King Charles on Tuesday, the Deputy Prime Minister David Lammy.

On Wednesday, Zach Polanski, the Green Party leader. Thank you so much for your tens of thousands of votes and for your comments as well. Let me get to some of them now. Yvonne F3Z says that idiot from the Green Party, he is dangerous. It would be like putting Sheldon Cooper in charge from the Big Bang Theory. Please God help us. Adam White, 9672 said, imagine in a century's time there will be no such thing as a Britain. Keep sitting on your asses and doing nothing about it.

You're being replaced and it's as easy as taking candy from a baby. And Andy Scott says Lammie waited 14 years to be driven around on a free range rover. He is not going back to his bike any time soon. Okay. The results are in. In third position, with 26% of the vote, the tit whisperer himself, Zach Polanski. The runner-up with 33% of the vote, King Charles. But the worst Britain in the world this week, with 41% of your vote, it's Calamity Lammy.

And you'll notice that we are unveiling the worst Britain in the world this week one day early. We usually do so on a Friday afternoon. But tomorrow we have a very special edition of Outspoken. Do just make sure that you stay to the end of the show and notify yourself to watch this episode tomorrow because it really is going to be quite something. My one-on-one with Chavonne White, she is the mother of Riannon White.

Here's a preview. A 27-year-old young English mother who was murdered by a demonic illegal staying in a migrant hotel where she worked. Riannon's mother, Chauvonne White, joins me now. Everything that was said between the police and myself was kept private. The only thing they did say was about the Southport. We don't want another Southport incident. Think about stopping these people committing the crimes.

And then you're not going to have that. The last thing I said as I looked at him was, well, let me see you dancing now. And I just walked away. Have you heard from the government at all? No. And you've heard nothing from... Jess Phillips since that interview. Not a single thing, no. What do you want to say to Jess Phillips?

Absolutely nothing. I do not want to be in the same room as I think she's a woman. Would you meet Stama now? Yeah. And what would you tell him? How I feel. I think he's disposed in. Chavonne was in tears talking about her daughter. She's had no contact from the government whatsoever. Can you tell us why not, please? I'm not aware of that particular, shocking, again, terrible example. The woman didn't even know what she seemed to be talking about anyway, referring to biannon as that one. Disgusting.

Yeah. Honestly, it is such a powerful interview. So make sure you are with us at 5pm UK time tomorrow, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. And as I say, make sure you notify yourself about that very special edition of the show tomorrow. We are moving over to Substack now for the Royal Uncanceled After Show.

Goodness me, Harry, we knew. he was going to wait into all of this, and he has made a bonkers public appearance close to tears in Los Angeles, honestly, past new fares for the health of King Charles. We're going to team up with our Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin, for all of that over on substack. Do join us there. www. outspoken.org is the address. So as I say, remember, we've got that special edition of the show 5pm UK time tomorrow, but I will be back with you live on Monday, 5 p.m. PM UK time, midday Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific, remember to hit subscribe right now on YouTube. Subscribe to our podcast on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. It is completely

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