Dan Wootton Outspoken - JOE ROGAN FURY AS UK FREE SPEECH DIES WITH POLICE HUNTING PUBLIC FOR X & FACEBOOK POSTS | OUTSPOKEN EP #26

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content with Kim Woodburn, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Dan responds to the chilling developments in Two Tier Keir’s UK as the Woke Stasi hunt down members of the public for posts on X and Facebook. He speaks exclusively to Mark Zegveldt, who police questioned for hosting a Space on X asking whether the UK was heading for a civil war. Then the best analysis on the growing crackdown on civil rights and free speech from our Superstar Panel: Barrister and Spectator columnist Steven Barrett and businessman and Reform UK candidate Mayuran Senthilnathan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 26. And to tear care, Starmer's woke Stasi has effectively outlawed free speech in the UK. The MSM might not give a damn, but Britain is fast becoming an international laughingstock. England, you know, people talk about Soviet Russia, like how bad Russia is in terms of cracking down on thought police and cracking crimes where they've said things online that people find to be a hateful thing or a problematic thing. And I think it's only 200 in Russia. I'll report on the chilling developments the mainstream media won't touch in my digest next. Also coming up today, Reform UK's leader Nigel Farage responds to Elon Musk. And then we hear from this man who ran for Farage's party.

And it is not far right to be concerned about three quarters of a million people net coming into the country every year. It is not far right to value your culture and community and point out there are some towns and cities that are no longer recognisable. It is not far right to acknowledge that many cultures in this country are different and some of these cultures have ideals and etiquettes which are not in line with British values, especially when it comes to women. Myron Centelnathan joins the superstar panel today alongside one of Britain's top legal brains, Stephen Barrett. Then in our uncancelled after show, more Friday fun with the brilliant Kim Woodburn. And good Lord, we need some fun today. Seriously, it's been feeling very dark this week. You can register to watch with Kim on our own website at www.outspoken.live.

It's a safe space, free of censorship, and you'll support it just £5 a month. Not only gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday, it allows me to keep making this show independently while we remain unregulated. Let's go. So as we revealed live yesterday, a 55-year-old Cheshire mum remains in police custody after 24 hours for sending a quote, inaccurate post on X on the day of the Southport massacre. Now, she caveated her post with the words, if this is true. She deleted it after two hours and she then apologized with beautiful honesty that you never get from journalists in the MSM. Yesterday afternoon, three police cars and a meat wagon pulled up at her farm as she prepared dinner for her husband and son.

They carted her off to be locked up. She remains locked up over 24 hours later. This is the truth about life under authoritarian Prime Minister Keir Starmer, where the government now warns us to think before we post. And if we don't, well, we'll be locked up for a long time. That's no exaggeration either. It happened today to Jordan Parler, sent down for a Facebook post about the riots, which was liked by five people.

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The initial post received six likes. However, it was sent to your 1,500 Facebook friends. And because of your lack of privacy settings, will have been forwarded to friends of your friends. a'ch ddim o ran sefyllfaoedd prifysgol, byddai wedi cael ei gyflwyno i ffrindiau eich ffrindiau. Felly, roedd y negeseuon wedi cael eu rhannu'n aml, a oedd yn ddylunio eich ddychmyg. Yn ymateb i adroddiad yn ystod y gweithdai, fe wnaethoch chi ysgrifennu, wrote, because they're over here, given life of Riley off the tax us hard-working people earn

when it could be put to better use. Come over here with no work visa, no trade to their name, and sit down and doss, and then there's more people being put out homeless each year. They get top band priority on housing and many more reasons. You were arrested in the early hours of the 5th of August and then interviewed by the police. Your motivation became clear when you informed the police that you had promoted the idea of attacking the Britannia Hotel as a result of anger and frustration at immigration problems in the country. You went on to say that you did not want your money going to ddim yn hoffi eich arian yn mynd at ddynion sy'n, yn enwedig, yn gadael ein plant a'n cael eu prifysgol.

Er bod chi wedi dweud nad oedd gennych ddylen o ddarparu unrhyw ddynion, gallai ddim yw bod yn anghymryd eraill i wneud hynny. Os na, pam ydych yn postio'r sylw? inciting others to do so. Otherwise, why post the comment? I mean, I guess there's lots of reasons why. I'm not defending it, by the way. But what I am saying is that a 20-month prison sentence issued within days when folk who rape and steal are still out on the streets seems completely over the top no wonder the world's free speech champion joe rogan has weighed in yeah england you know people talk about soviet russia like how bad uh russia is in terms of cracking down on thought police and cracking down on bad tweets and things like that. I think the statistics are, I think England in the last, I think there's something

like 4,000 people have been arrested in England for thought crimes where they've said things online that people find to be a hateful thing or a problematic thing. And I think it's only 200 in Russia. Oh, wow. Yeah. That says a lot. Yeah. Maybe in Russia, they're too scared to do it at all. Could be. Yeah. But the fact that they're comfortable with finding people who've said something that they disagree with and putting them in a cage in England in 2024 is really wild. It is. It is wild. It is chilling. This is not something that would even be comprehended as a possibility in the US with the First Amendment. No matter what way you look at it, after just a month of this Labour government, free speech has died. But surely the government, which is so clearly piling political

pressure on the judiciary, can't have it both ways. So let me ask a question. Why does the Cheshire mum remain locked up, but not hope not hates hates nick lowes who tweeted reports are coming in of acid being thrown out of a car window at a muslim woman in middlesbrough absolutely horrendous there were no reports it was a complete lie which i know sparked violence but in two-tier britain he faces no punishment so this is clearly a political attack. To shut down dissenting voices, which the dying MSM is getting behind. And shame on them. I mean, look at the sun today.

The message from Brendan Cox of all people is clear. Only official MSM narratives should be allowed by the government. Well, the genie is out the bottle. That doesn't mean Slippery Starmer isn't going to try to legally roll back our rights, though, starting with the draconian online law, the online, the draconian, sorry, censorship law, the online safety bill being toughened up. No wonder Elon Musk asked, why does the UK media, with a few exceptions, we're one, just parrot the government? Well, Reform UK leader Nigel Farage, who has also stupidly been blamed for the riots by leftists, he decided to answer Elon directly.

Elon Musk asks a very important question. Why do the UK media, with a few exceptions, just parrot the government line? Well, I'll tell you why, Elon. It's dead simple. It's called consensus. It's called when everyone gets together with groupthink and says, open borders are fantastic. Come in, everybody. We don't care whether you speak our language or share our values. We don't care about the population explosion, meaning our kids can't get houses. You see, for them to admit, for them to ever, ever admit, all of them, the Conservative, Labour parties and mainstream media, to admit they got it wrong would be to go against the

worldview they've held for decades. They believe they are the be kind, lovely people. And anyone that believes in borders, believes in culture, believes in community, believes in country, somehow we're the bad dudes. There are some exceptions. I do my best and one or two others do as well. But that's the answer to your question. It is groupthink. It is a refusal to accept.

They've got this horribly, horribly wrong, as we've seen on the streets of our country this week. And the groupthink to blame free speech and access to citizen journalism on social media, to blame that for the riots, is the sort of groupthink that Nigel's talking about, I believe. But sadly, that groupthink means very few people are standing up for a really simple principle.

Freedom of expression. The freedom to report. So we must now support the independent media, fight the MSM and the establishment to protect our free speech. Because if this is where things look after just a month of labor, imagine how controlled we will all be in five years. Actually, they will stay for dinner. Instacart has all your groceries covered this summer. So download the app and get delivery in as fast as 60 minutes. Plus enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over deliver. But to react now, let me bring in today's superstar panel. Today's Superstar Panel.

And I am delighted today to be joined by Myron Centil-Nathan, a businessman and Reform UK candidate who has gone viral for his video clarifying what it means not to be far right. I'm going to show you some of that soon and we'll talk to him about it. Plus, the barrister, spectator columnist, one of Britain's best legal minds, Stephen Barrett. So a perfect day to have both of you here. Stephen, can we start please with this free speech crackdown? So Cheshire police have in custody right now a 55 year old woman who apologised for sending an inaccurate tweet. Stephen, that tweet very clearly said, if this is true, so she caveated what she said. Now, how is that against the law? Well, what we're going to have to do is go back to old school principles and not talk about live cases or potentially live cases because we have to be responsible.

What I can tell you is that the Online Safety Act 2023 created a new offense in section 179, I'm looking at it now. And that new offense was sending a message when the person knows what is being said is false. And that is a new idea to our law. It's a pretty new concept to us generally. It's because it came in in 2023.

It's not properly fleshed out yet. So perhaps words like, if this is true, will caveat and protect potential future individuals, any of them who might be charged with this, who knows, let the law work itself out. But it is a new type of offence created in 2023. The burden is on the prosecution to prove that you knew that the information was false. Actually, my greater concern, Dan, is the PR put out by the CPS and the government around this, because it hasn't been very helpful. And, you know, I'm a constitutional nerd and I bang on about the Constitution. I'm very, very dull.

Well, the Constitution has a fundamental principle that um mistake of law is no defense so if you're ignorant of the law yabu sucks to you you're still guilty you were ignorant of the law but there's a corresponding duty that goes with that that there is a burden on the government on the state to explain the law and make the law clear and I don't believe that any of the recent PR by the CPS or by the government has made the law clear. In fact, I think it's made it opaque. I think it's got people genuinely, most people are decent, Dan. They don't want to commit crimes. So they see a sort of message from the government or the CPS and they go, oh, well, I don't want to tweet, you know, inaccurate things. I don't, I'd hate to. And it's not just that they fear reprisal it's actually

that they're morally good okay we're not all morally evil people who only do good things because of the threat of force against us most people are just fundamentally decent and most decent people will be rather scared by the pr put out by the cps and by other government agencies that just inaccuracy will somehow lead you well i feel this is the same sort of propaganda campaign being run by the state that we saw during covid where very normal activity started to be criminalized or even if it wasn't criminalized they put the fear of god in us whether it be leaving the house or standing within six feet of someone. But Myron, what do you make of all of this? Because there's only been

four weeks, right, of this Labour government, but clearly there is no getting around the fact that they are cracking down on free speech. Free speech no longer exists in the same way in the UK as it does in the US. Yeah, absolutely. And what I would say is the Conservatives have managed decline of the country, but Labour are actively pursuing decline of this country. That's what it feels like. I used to think Keir Starmer was just this kind of not very intelligent, not a great orator type person,

but I realise he's less of a statesman and more of an algorithm he just kind of operates he just kind of moves and he's predictable he's boring but it's a dangerous algorithm because an algorithm that is very authoritarian and that's what we're seeing in real time so we're seeing potentially an expansion of the term islamophobia we're looking at university campuses now where we're getting cracked down on free speech. And now the kind of freedom on the internet with Twitter is quite astounding. And we often use the word Orwellian, we've read Animal Farm, but I actually think really, literally, we are seeing this play out in real time. And it's quite astonishing. And I think people now are going to be self-censoring.

I mean, people are already scared to talk about mass immigration, culture, integration, Islam and things like that, because they don't want to cause anyone offence because they're decent people. But there are issues there. This is another avenue where they're going to self-censor even on social media. And that's going to stifle the debate. So we've witnessed two tier policing. We have a Midlands police officer who's openly saying how he talks to community leaders for two-tier policing, saying you can have a bespoke service effectively. You've got the BBC who is not impartial. We know we can't get a full comprehensive range of opinions on, say, things like multiculturalism and so on. We have a voting system that doesn't really allow us major change. And we have

politicians that just clamp down on one side of the debate all the time. So we are really in a very perilous situation where, yeah, freedom of speech and Orwellian state is coming our way. And it's very frightening. It is. And the most crazy thing is, by the way, it doesn't actually change the fundamental problems. All you're actually going to do is push all of these issues underground. You're going to make the people who already feel ignored much, much angrier. And so I think what this will do in the long term is actually exacerbate tensions, which is really worrying given I would say tensions are already very high. But I also want to talk about bad actors because there are some bad actors who are now going to use this new draconian approach to try and get very decent

people jailed. And I'm going to show you an example of this. And actually, you'll love to see this anyway, because Douglas Murray, good friend of mine, absolutely brilliant commentator, very well respected. But he's bold and he's predicted for some time the types of issues that we're now seeing in the country. Well, he gave a new interview following the Southport massacre. And I'll show you what he said. You've seen recently with things like the atrocity of this terrible young man who went and stabbed these young girls who were the Taylor Swift dance class. The little girls.

Just beyond belief. And the public mood is febrile. And there have been demonstrations of things that, you know, we do not see often in Britain. The burning of police stations by very angry mobs. I just see today, you know, a Muslim group sort of doing a boundary policing thing in their area of chanting, aloha akbar, and I defend the mosque. The worst thing for me is exactly what I said would happen.

And the reason I wrote The Strangest Death of Europe and the reason I banged on about this for years beforehand was I said it is so obvious what is going to happen. I was so angry watching it when it could have been stopped. Yeah it sucks to be right about something so bad. Now I would say very sensible interview from Douglas Murray, right? Certainly not something that I would view as inciting racial hatred or reporting anything inaccurate, which can apparently now get you arrested. But look at what Alistair Campbell had to say. Now, Alistair Campbell, of course, the man whose fake news dossier helped send the UK into an illegal war, he posted on X, think Met Police UK, copying them in, might want to take a look at this book plug. So there we have Alistair Campbell now using this new draconian regime, the leadership being provided by authoritarian Starmer, Stephen Barrett, to try and get Douglas Murray arrested for saying that. So let's just be clear. This is where the left are at. They do not believe in free speech. Tell me, anything you saw there from Douglas Murray

that you think could warrant the Met Police taking a look at it? No, I didn't see anything in that clip of Douglas that was potentially crossed any relevant legal threshold. What I would say is that we do live in an age where people would rather cancel their political opponents than politely disagree with them. We do live in an age where people would rather cancel their political opponents than politely disagree with them. We do live in a rather cruel age where people seriously want to hurt other people

merely for the imagined crime of daring to have a different thought. It's a very brittle, it's a very cruel age. And the way to get out of it is to get all of these terms defined, get them all clear. Let's everybody know what incitement to violence is. And let's make it absolutely clear that we all know.

And then the monsters who actually do it, fine, prosecute them. But let's not have decent people living in terror of false accusations anymore. And the only way I see that that can be done is by getting definitions. I know Myron talked about the far right. Well, let's define that. Tell me what the far right is. Define it. Set it down.

We'll have one definition and we can apply it consistently. And then we will have order, rule and law. And that I know I bang on about it i know i'm a legal nerd but i do think that only rules now can save us only clear defined rules known in advance that apply to everyone equally well i guess my concern about that though myron is that if it is kirsten and this regime setting those rules given we've already seen in the first four weeks i think we're they're heading personally i would find that really terrifying and you can see from alistair campbell someone who is still i don't know why but still given a lot of time of day in labor

circles you can see how they are now going to try and politicise debate in order to get people arrested. Yeah, no, it's quite shocking. I think Stephen makes a great point about precision. We need to know our boundaries. We need to know exactly what we're getting into when we get on social media, when we go about our business. Otherwise, there'll be innocent casualties. However, who is making those laws? That's the problem. And the implementation of those laws. We know, as you just kind of mentioned, the hope not hate leader of that guy, Nick Lowles, we know that it's going one way. This law is going to operate one way. And that's the problem. If there is somebody inciting violence to Nigel Farage, you can imagine the police are going to

do nothing. We know the police are going to do nothing. We know the police are going to do nothing. We know that there'll be no condemnation. They'll be saying, well, Nigel, he kind of deserves it. He's stoked up hatred. What do you expect? All of this rhetoric is going to start to come out. So it's not just the fact that it's laws. It's not just the fact that it's very poorly defined and no one knows where they stand. It's the fact that it's only one way. And we know that. I mean, Douglas Murray, all he's done is really highlight an obvious fact. Cultures are different. People are different. And if we have too much of difference, there's going to be alienation, which breeds animosity, which breeds tension,

which can lead to violence. It's an obvious understanding of human behaviour. And he called it out a long time ago in his work. And he's just saying, I called this out. Where's the incitement to violence? It's an obvious point. Indeed. And as you say, if you do talk about two-tier policing, then you've actually got to make certain that it exists. Well, I think we've seen lots of evidence of that. Myron talks about Nick Lowell. Absolutely. If the 55-year-old housewife in Cheshire is arrested, then Nick Lowell should be arrested too. He won't be. But then you also have the case of Manchester Airport, where we saw with our own

eyes two Muslim men beating up police officers. They have not been charged. Well, the police minister, Dame Diana Johnson, was pushed quite a lot on this in a car crash interview with Nick Ferrari on LBC. Watch. Why do we still don't have any idea what might happen with those involved in the incident at Manchester Airport on the 23rd of July? What's taking so long there? Well, that's obviously a matter for Greater Manchester Police to decide what action to take. Sorry, I missed that. As are some of these matters, Dame Diana. So they can move at pace here.

We now have video evidence of an assault that appears to take place, involving a number of police officers and a number of young males. It's the 23rd of July. More than two weeks. Why the delay on that case? Well, as I say, that is a matter for the police in terms of whether they are going to charge. I know that case is being worked on as we speak.

But, Dame Diane, as Minister, how concerned are you? Because you rightly point to the speed with which the courts have moved here. And I think that's played a part, by the way, in the night that this country enjoyed last night. So how concerned are you that it's taking more than two weeks with the Manchester airport incident? Well, look, I want the police to be able to act swiftly. I want people arrested and brought before the court swiftly. Clearly, we've had to deal with the disorder over the last few days. But more generally, the Labour government is absolutely committed

and the Prime Minister is absolutely committed to making sure that people feel safe in this country. But you're not answering the question, are you? The rule of law is upheld and when people commit criminal offences, they are brought to account quickly. Now, can I just say, we are a new government. We are inheriting problems with the court system and the delays.

I'm sorry, you're not inheriting the incident at Manchester Airport. I'm very sorry. You have inherited a lot of issues with policing. You're absolutely right. Sorry, I do want to say I want them to act. I know they are looking at that case. Well, that's an operational...

So five times she didn't answer the question there. Stephen Barrett, what my question to you is, as a legal expert, don't you think we're now heading down a slippery slope where actually Starmer's rhetoric around the riots, which I think is clearly putting pressure on the judiciary, now opens that up in loads of different cases. Actually, maybe this Manchester airport case does need more time. Maybe it does. But you can understand why people are looking at this and thinking, well, it's an example

of two-tier policing. Well, yes. And I mean, I'm old enough to remember when we talked about policing being independent of politicians and we let them get on with it. But if you start interfering as politicians, then you are immediately going to be asked, well, you interfered in this case, why didn't you interfere in this other case? And that's just obvious. It's probably one of the many reasons to keep policing independent is that you won't get bogged down in that in that question i mean there was there was a man who was arrested recently i think almost entirely as as the result of of twitter because the mainstream media didn't cut i don't want to go into the event at all but the mainstream media didn't cover the event it was only on twitter and it was only the Met Police put out a statement saying, oh, we're aware of some upset on Twitter.

Therefore, we're going to investigate. Now, I'm terribly sorry, Dan, but I am a stickler for rules. And that's mob rule, too. Just because just because, you know, the mob, I might, you know, just because the mob you like, that's what it was. It doesn't mean it's not all the time i see it happen all the time the police are completely obsessed with what is being discussed on x and you're right it doesn't matter either side it should it should matter was actually any crime committed yes and this is my big my big complaint with off-com because again and all these regulators they see communists oh oh no no one's complained. I don't care whether anyone's complained. Has a rule been breached or not?

Are you enforcing rules freely and fairly and impartially and consistently? I don't care how many people complain. It's irrelevant. And given you've raised the off communists, by the way, can I just say, have you noticed a complete lack of hysteria in the mainstream media over the over 8000 complaints made about Ed Balls interviewing his own wife, the Home Secretary, on Good Morning Britain? I think actually there's now been more complaints about that than there has about my incident with Lawrence Fox on GB News, which dominated the mainstream media for days. So I think it does show you that very often Ofcom will react to pressure from X, pressure from the mainstream media. But look, Stephen and Myron do stand by because I want to bring in Mark Zegveld now. And this is a case that actually is equally chilling to what we are hearing about. And so, Mark, I want you to talk me through this.

But here is a graphic of an X space that you hosted at the weekend. And it was called, Are We Seeing the Start of a Civil War in the UK? You can see 1,500 participants. He went on for five hours, seven minutes, so lots of chat was had. And of course, this whole question of a British civil war was sparked by a post on X from the owner of X, Elon Musk. Now, you take the story on. You've never spoken about this before, so I appreciate you doing so. But hosting that space on X resulted in you getting a knock on the door from the police? Yeah, what happened was, and thank you for having me on the show Dan. What happened was I held a space, it was quite a lively space, there was a lot of people in it and we asked the question, are we seeing civil

war in the UK? Now there is a lot of anger out there about what's happening and I stated on numerous occasions and as I always do in my spaces that violence is not the answer. We don't want to see any kind of violence on the streets. I condemned everything that's happened. Now the space, it was very lively. There was a lot of conversation about what's going on. A lot of people are angry and I don't think that's, there's nothing illegal about being angry. No. Now, the space went on until one o'clock in the morning and there was still well over

150 people in the space at that time, even at one o'clock in the morning uh now the next day i woke up and i had a lot of private messages telling telling me mark um someone's talking about you in another space and they're saying that you were inciting violence and there was racism in the space which i do not accept one little bit anytime i I see that, I've interviewed politicians, I've interviewed people that do campaigns, I've interviewed a lot of celebrities, you know, and I do not accept any kind of that kind of language to get kicked out straight away.

So I wondered what was going on. And then someone said, we were talking, someone had set a space up and invited me in. I went in, we were talking about it. And then I got a phone call. And the phone call was from the police who invited me to an interview. Not under caution or anything like that.

It was a voluntary interview. And they asked me if I would go down for a chat. this is the police in scotland where you're based yeah so i agreed and i said yes uh i don't have any issue with that so i went down i took um a friend of mine solicitor who came with me uh went down and i was advised advised to make a no comment interview. I went in, they were quite nice, they were quite pleasant, but then they asked me questions on what my views were of what's happening in the country. I obviously said no comment. They asked me, they went on to the space and said, your title of the space, do you believe we are at civil war? Is that your opinion? And is that what you think?

And then I guess said no comment. They then asked me some further questions ac wedyn dwi'n meddwl ddim o ddweud cwmennu. Yna fe wnaethon nhw ofyn i mi gwestiynau ychwanegol a wedyn dweud wrthi i mi fod, yn eu penodol, nad oedd, nid oedd rhywbeth yno, nid oedd rhywbeth i gyrru â'r peth, nid oedd yna unrhyw ddiffygadau y gallan nhw ei ddod o hyd, ond byddai'n dal i fod, byddai'n dal i edrych arna i os oeddwn wedi gwneud unrhyw grin oesol, but they were still going to be still we're going to have a look at me if I broken any hate crime because Scotland we have a new hate crime in Scotland that nobody wants and nobody likes but we are yes they said that they would have a look at that and and and whether it was a non-hate crime incident, which we also have in Scotland,

which is very controversial, which, in fact, an MSP, Murdo Fraser, a Conservative MSP, who's actually going for the leadership of the Conservatives, got in trouble for just for retweeting the post. So you are effectively still under investigation for hosting this X space? Well, they're still looking at whether I've committed a hate crime. And did they say specifically to you what had been said within this space for them to justify wasting police time on getting you in for an

interview no i was told there was nothing that was said in uh they did mention they said there was uh quite a lot of people that were angry which i had to hold myself back because i had to i i wanted to say well that's not against the law to be angry. There is a lot of anger out there. There is. There's a lot of anger in the space. And what was my motive for setting the space up? Yeah, because this is where they're trying to get people, you see. And this is what is so chilly. Because they're trying to say you could have been inciting violence.

And that is why we've seen the 55-year-old businesswoman in Cheshire being arrested. I'm just so concerned about this. Did they say, by the way, who may have made the complaint, Mark? No, but we do. I do have some suspicions we um a whole only yesterday a space that i entered uh a gentleman uh who had um said something about islam uh nothing offensive nothing a uh that can be uh what he can be called out for but somebody actually uh because the friend was hosting the space the actual space that he was in was telling us he was it doesn't have his name on his Twitter account apart from his first name they tracked but they managed to track him

down found his Facebook page got his full name found out where he worked contacted his work and he's been suspended because he had something about islam on his on his twitter account and he's been suspended from work just for that see this is chilly this is chilly and i guess it was possible someone had infiltrated your x space as well you believe the same person that had um complained about him had made the complaint about me. Got it. So a bad faith actor. Look, stay with us because I'm going to bring our superstar panel back in now. Myron, Central Nathan from Reform UK, Reform UK candidate and barrister, appropriately, Stephen Barrett, one of Britain's top legal brains.

So, Stephen Stephen you're hearing this story for the first time this is the first time we've learned about this sounds like it was a pretty feisty space on X but isn't this ludicrous that that sparks a police investigation well if you want to as a human society you can start going down this very hard censorship route you know we did kill sir thomas moore because of beliefs we things we thought he thought although he didn't actually confirm either way and it wasn't until elizabeth the first who brought peace and said i refuse, I will not make windows into men's souls. We have gone down this route before. I mean, query question in the 21st century whether

that's really where we need to be going, whether we have the resources for this type of policing. And again, I draw back to the, there are large, the key problem here is that there was a complaint and a complainant. So somebody who feels able to complain, and that the authorities then became the servant of that complainant. And that's exactly what Ofcom do. It's exactly what regulators do. It appears to be what the police do. So what's a lot of sort of broken bits of the state tend to do they're led by the nose by these complainants, but that just makes the complainant the

mob. Okay, that's, that's what they are. It's their personal subjective opinion that has been outraged and upset. And they're so outraged and upset that they must simply wipe from existence the person who dared to upset them in any way. Well, that's a deeply immature society. That's a deeply childlike response to being denied something, to being challenged in your views, to not getting your own way. That's not how an evolved and grown up society deals with things. And it seems we stand at a fork in the road now and we can really pick. We can go down this censorious road and we know exactly where it leads because there's nothing new under the sun. We have seen all of this before and it will be just as bad as before or we can grow up and that that really is

our choice now and because i don't do politics tan i'm not going to make that choice for people but people this is this is the time the crossroads is before us which one which one do you want? Well, Myron, you do do politics, obviously. And I presume you would say grow up, go and solve some real crime. Police like look into the grooming gangs, look at into all look into all of the burglaries that are literally left unsolved. Yeah. I mean, what this shows is we are not a serious country. We are fundamentally not a serious country we are fundamentally not a serious country as you said as you mentioned other countries and commentators are looking at us and and the shenanigans are going on and they are laughing we are comical in the way we run this country

i seriously think in a kind of stealth way we are exiting the first world in some way on multiple levels and when you when you see this kind of um this kind of authoritarian rule to invade this i mean this gentleman was had a had a had this x group just simply saying will there be a civil war questioning out of concern you know because when you see so are we seeing the start of a civil that's that's a that's a concern and it may be a fear in people and people want an outlet to just discuss and have their fears allayed. And maybe we can come to a constructive conclusion to actually de-escalate things as communities. So it could be a very productive thing that he was doing. But immediately, somehow the police pounce on it with suspicion.

And that's how they've been trained. As part of when I was campaigning, I spoke to police officers. Trust me, from Surrey police to Met police, they won't talk openly about it. They don't want to whistleblow because their jobs are on the line. They are sick to death of doing this. It takes about two, three hours to process any of these claims. Right. And we don't have police officers on the street. Exactly. And we can't claim our burglaries and soft crime. It takes them off the streets. It crazy mark i'm so delighted though that you did feel like you could share this with us because that's another thing that i'm really picking up

people are becoming afraid and sometimes that fear and i get it by the way drives people off they just think oh it's not worth it it's not worth it i don't want to take the risk but mark tell me you've spoken out today i think that's a great start. What we need is people at X and people like Elon Musk to see what's happening and for them to take some action. But will you be continuing with your spaces on X, Mark, even though you know the police now looking at them? Without a doubt, without a doubt doubt because i think it is that important i do believe and i think um i echo a lot of people that come into the spaces and that talk about this is that uh we are we are facing difficult times and our freedom of speech is being curtailed it's

it's been going on for quite a few years now i i think yes and and i do think that our um that if we lose our freedom of speech we are in serious serious trouble so i do i think it's gone i think it's gone i think we need to i think it's a conversation that people need to keep having talking about because i've already noticed i've already noticed on Twitter that um uh people's accounts people are shutting down their accounts people are not uh not um talking posting a lot as much now I've noticed from my own account the views have gone seriously down and so has a lot of people's because people are scared in in speaking out. They're thinking, well, I might say something very innocent and next minute I could be in the police station.

It's that serious. So if it can happen to me, it can happen to anybody. So people are scared and are worried about the way the country is going. And I think it's a conversation that needs to be highlighted, like on what you're doing tonight. I think more of these need to be out there because we're not hearing it from the mainstream. No, they don't want to discuss it

because they actually want social media to be shut down, which is crazy, but there we are. But look, thank you so much for speaking up. I will continue fighting this fight. Do keep me posted on what happens. That is Mark Zegvelt, who finds himself under investigation by the Scottish police as a result of an X-Space, which he hosted. Really bizarre. Myron and Stephen are standing by because they're going to be back in just a moment with news on why Sadiq Khan now says he feels unsafe in the city in which he is the mayor.

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why it's wrong to simply dismiss folk who might be concerned about what's happening in this country, who might be concerned about mass's happening in this country who might be concerned about mass immigration who might even have concerns about islam and the introduction of sharia law through the back door in this country so let me play you a little part in case you haven't seen this although a lot of people clearly have and myron will discuss off the back and it is not far right to be concerned about three quarters of a million people net coming into the country every year. It is not far right to value your culture and community and point out there are some towns and cities that are no longer recognisable. It is not far right to acknowledge that many cultures in this country are different and some of these cultures have ideals and etiquettes which are not in line with British

values, especially when it comes to women. It is not far right to point out that there are certain doctrines, certain doctrines in Islam which are at odds with British principles, especially when it comes to things like gay rights and freedom of speech. It is not far right to feel a deep sense of injustice at illegal migrant men getting put up in lush hotels when you can barely afford to heat your home. It is not far right to feel a sense of injustice when you've been waiting for social housing and find that nearly half the stock in your area has been taken up by people who have recently come into the country. It is not far right to point out, as we've seen in the recent protests that the police enforce harsher

measures when dealing with white protesters because of the optics of dealing with ethnic minorities the thing is the moment you label someone far right they are suddenly written off as evil people who deserve no voice they become dehumanized and this just makes them want to take even more extreme reprehensible measures and it is this episode is brought to you by square you're not just running a restaurant you're building something big and square's there for all of it giving your customers more ways to order whether that's in person with square kiosk or online instant access to your sales plus the funding you need to go even bigger.

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odd comment of you're a coconut, you're trying to serve your colonial masters, that kind of thing. So those comments are there a little, but I would say they are actually a tiny percentage. The overwhelming, I'll go and say 80, 90% were just, yeah, you summarized what I've been thinking all along. You've just put it very succinctly uh bullseye all that kind of stuff so it was it was very encouraging overall do you find it difficult sometimes though as someone who is non-white to talk about these issues not not at all um i don't i don't really see myself as an ethnic minority, as brown skin. When I talk to you, Dan, I don't see myself as a brown man talking to a white man. I genuinely don't see that.

Because a lot of people, they think that they see some ethnic minorities see themselves, say, as a Sri Lankan Tamil who happens to be in the UK. I'm not a Sri Lankan Tamil who happens to be in the UK. I'm a British Sri Lankan Tamil, which means this history is my history. This culture is my culture. The veterans who took a bullet on D-Day took a bullet for my freedoms. So this is my land.

I'm not somebody walking in this country with a visa in my back pocket looking to leave at some point. This is my country. So I don't see myself as an outsider in any way, shape or form. So when I talk about borders, migration, integration, I do it because I want this country to prosper and I want a cohesive society. And so that's got, it's irrelevant to me about the color of my skin, my ethnicity and religion and so on. And a lot of people say to me, oh, your parents came here. So you should want to have, you know, and so why are you against immigration?

As if the implication should be, I should be for open borders because I'm an ethnic minority, which is ridiculous. My parents came here when immigration was in the tens of thousands in the late 70s, early 80s. Integration worked well. Yes, there was racism here and there, but we've moved on since then. But integration worked really well. We are now getting to three quarters of a million per year. It's out of control. This is a social experiment. And now we're starting to see the cracks and the splinters of this social experiment. And I just want to call it out because I care about my country. Firstly, I find that so inspiring. And I love the fact that you are signing up to what Nigel Farage actually spoke about during the election campaign, because it's a philosophy that I have always signed up to ever since I was

a little child. I totally believe in a colourblind society. I never thought about my friends based on what their ethnicity was. And I find it really sad now that in this new anti-racist movement, that that apparently makes you racist. Well, actually, no, I want a colour blind society. What I think is really interesting, though, Stephen, from a legal perspective about Myron's video, is that based on these new laws that Labour are intending to introduce in terms of coming up with a definition of Islamophobia. Does that mean that even having a discussion like that, talking about why you might be concerned about Islam could actually become illegal? Well, let me be a little bit of a grumpy lawyer at Myron because his video kept talking about what far right isn't.

And it didn't talk about what far right is. And I want to know what it is. I genuinely want to know because, you know, I like quite a lot of people. And this is a political position, so I probably shouldn't have it. But there we are. I don't want to be far right. So tell me what it is and then I'll know how to avoid it. You know, the idea that we can't define things and then somehow they can apply in our society just gives a lot of power to the person who's pointing the finger and screaming. And they're able to call things far right without the burden of defining the term. I think we really must define the term. Yeah, I do know what you're saying, saying but myron i wonder if we're actually going

to go on a bit of a journey with this far right term over the next few months a bit like the one that you will have both seen happen with the term turf trans exclusionary radical feminist because to begin with that term was considered really awful. If you were a TERF, you were a terrible person. No one wanted to be called a TERF. It meant that you were transphobic. Actually, when we saw the trans lobby overreach to such a crazy extent, you had folk like J.K. Rowling, Julie Bindle, Graham Linehan, who actually say, no, I'm proudly a TERF, actually.

And I wonder if we're going to see that happen with the far right too. And that's why, Myron, I think there's so much overreach going on from the media, from politicians, because if you call everything far right, as you made the point, actually, we're just going to say, okay, well, I viewed myself as a centrist a few years ago. My views haven't changed. If you want to define that as far right, then fine. Go right ahead. Yeah, I mean, the term far right, there's a lot of people on Twitter now actually saying, I am far right.

Just kind of admitting it. I've seen a lot of posts just sort of saying, you know, throw their hands up in the air and they just say, I'm far right. Just call me far right. And I think what's happening is a hyperinflation of words to the point of meaninglessness right and that's come to the point of racism you're racist you're islamophobe you're a bigot now you're far right these words just don't mean anything anymore and i think this is a kind of almost a convulsive response by the state and by the media class to kind of get control of the situation clamp clamped down on rhetoric and

freedom of speech. Because one thing that is symptomatic of someone who's entrenched in toxic left-wing politics is that they're in an ideological prison. And when reality collides with their ideological universe, they want to shut it down. So they come up with cheap buzzwords, and they use these buzzwords to shut down the debate, to conquer the debate. Instead of actually investigating the nuances and the subtleties and the complexities of the issue, they want to shut it down. And that's what you see from Keir Starmer. That's why I call him an algorithm. He just operates and he just shuts down. He doesn't want to engage because it's too messy. It's too dirty for them. And their ideological universe, where they feel so great, so virtuous, that will collapse in the

face of acknowledging what reality is, what's actually playing out. Well, I think another one of those people is Sadiq Khan. He's on the front page of the Daily Telegraph today saying that he no longer feels safe as a Muslim. And he's also done a new interview with Channel 4 News. Watch this. Indeed, people aspiring to be leaders of political parties like to blame the other. Easiest thing to do when you've got a horrific tragedy of three young girls, beautiful kids, being murdered, to see that being used to propagate these messages of hatred just i find astonishing but you see people actually you know buying into that and i'm afraid we've got to make sure we say no to that and stand up to that and challenge those sorts of views but myron isn't he the one politicizing it by saying

if you talk about the politics around this which they clearly are then you're a sicko look i understand if if muslims feel fearful you've got bricks thrown at mosques and so on and you know i can understand that sentiment i can understand how jews would feel fearful during the march which they have done yeah lond. I'd understand how people in London who Sadiq Khan presides over feel fearful when knife crimes go up 20% from the end of last year. You had Alex Phillips often talking about how she feels as a white young lady walking in London, how she feels unsafe. So everybody's feeling unsafe.

And that's the first thing that Sadiq Khan needs to understand. But he doesn't have his finger on the pulse well none of the Labour Party do they don't want to understand that there is this horrific tragedy that's happened and it sparked off something inside of people and there is a backdrop of working class white people feeling alienated and this grotesque crime this it has really tapped into something at a subconscious level and it sparks some off and it maybe it's not entirely rational maybe it's not entirely rational but at the end of the day you can't deny the emotions of what how people are feeling even donna jones i don't know if you remember that statement yes she made a statement

not long after the rights police uh chief commissioner, she openly said, I've spoken to the rioters. They're concerned about British sovereignty, high immigration levels and British values being endangered. And she urged Keir Starmer to look at this. It was then retracted. It was then deleted. I guess she was forced to retract it.

She was slammed. And that shows you what's going on here. An honest police officer having her finger in the pulse and telling you what the deal is and then getting shut down. Yeah, Stephen, that was interesting, wasn't it? She's a police and crime commissioner, I think, and it was awful to see the reaction to her. I've had her on my GB News show and she's a really good woman.

And actually, it was one of those cases where she's expressing the view that I would believe would be shared by a majority of Brits, well over 50% actually, yet she is treated like some sort of pariah on social media and in the mainstream media. Well, it's this point that Myron came to, which is that there is a war on truth.

Some people don't like truth, and they have a hysterical reaction to truth. And it's just not, it's fundamentally not helpful as a society to have that. I mean, our society is based on Aristotelian principles, and we really need to have a proper grown-up relationship with truth. We can't just deny it.

That's not, it doesn't work. On the mayor, on Sadiq Khan, I mean, just a constitutional point, he is the police and crime commissioner so myron's right i mean i felt unsafe in london recently too many of us have felt unsafe in london i've been mugged twice since mr khan's been mayor well exactly well it's your job sadiq to make sure we all exactly it's not because you're muslim that you feel unsafe actually virtually every single citizen in London feels unsafe

for some particular reason. How can he not see that that's an indictment on himself? But instead, he wants to try and turn it around. Sorry, Myron, you come in. Sorry, Dan, one quick point. Keir Starmer, the police,

they can just do two things. They can condemn the violence outright and still just a sentence just to say look we understand their tensions are rising we understand that there are underlying issues we will address them but law and order must prevail violence must be stopped at any cost and we must enforce the law right there is no excuse for violence you can do both you can do both and Keir Starmer has refused to do both he's just gone on. He's refused point blank.

He's refused point blank any time someone has tried to actually address issues with him. Point blank, he's refused to do it this week. He is acting like an authoritarian leader. Look, two bits of fun because it's a Friday. We need to be uplifted. It's been a hard week. This really made me laugh. It was a bit of an I told you so moment.

Rishi Sunak looking happy as Larry with his very, very rich wife out there at a Michelin starred restaurant in California. Stephen, apparently a mushroom pizza will set you back 32 pounds at this restaurant. It's not that I have any issue with his wealth, Stephen, but it's that he never really wanted to be prime minister, did he? And look at the state that he's left us in. Well, I can't comment on politics and politicians. He is still the leader, his majesty's leader of the opposition. So he still has a role to perform in our constitution.

And he's not here. Well, parliament's not sitting, so they are all entitled to go away. I mean, again, I'd like a consistent rule about whether they go away or not because, you know, Nigel got piled in on for going to the US and then Angela Rayner did exactly, went on, went off somewhere else. Inconsistent application of rules. If we're going to have

rules, let's apply them consistently. Well, look, he doesn't even really want the job. I get that. I mean, Myron, I would have an issue. I would have an issue if Starmer decides to go off on holiday at the end of the week. I can't believe that after four weeks as prime minister, he feels like he needs a holiday. I mean, I've just launched this show four weeks ago. I launched it the day after the election.

It would be a dereliction of duty to my audience, to my viewers, if I went off on holiday now. He's the prime minister of this country and the country is in chaos. Yeah, I mean, his opening, his first speech was the fact that he's here to serve the people. And that's quite an honourable thing to say. And I appreciate him saying that. But if you're here to serve the people and the country's burning, you need to be here and you need to be making decisions. And look, fair enough. He has been doing that. He's been chairing Cobra meetings. So give him credit where credit's due.

As far as Rishi Sunak goes, I think if I met Rishi Sunak in the pub or in a restaurant somewhere, I think he'd be a thoroughly nice guy. I think he's a really polite, nice, nice guy. I just think that he carries the vibe of a primary school teacher more than a statesman. And I think i wonder whether his heart was fully into a vision of the country with strong conviction um it seemed like his meteoric rise his quick rise was just something that yeah he wanted to do and now he's done it he's moving on perhaps let's see uh we don't know i think he said he wanted to stay as an mp but i

don't know take it off on the cv i imagine he's going to be spending a lot of time in California. I want to just end now with the brilliant Andrew Lawrence. I'm not sure if you two follow him, but he's so funny. He's pretty much the best comedian around on X. And I was very tickled by the insight that his comedy provided into the counter-marches that took place this week. But man, what an absolutely top night of anti-racism, just legendary. All the best people were there, the good guys, the air was thick with the smell of hummus and body odour,

and not one single far-right bigot turned up to riot. Absolute cowards. They saw videos of us on social media standing strong in our Hope Not Hate t-shirts, wrapped in our keffiers, and they thought, no thanks, I'm not risking that. If I start messing with those anti-racist, non-binary, vegan street militia, I'm going to get my arse handed to me. They didn't even turn up. At one point a pigeon aggressively flew over our heads and we knew straight away it had been sent by Yaxley Lennon so we simply chanted off our streets Nazi scum and it pathetically flapped its racist wings and flew away and I

think that's when we knew we had won. For a moment there was an eerie silence and if you listened carefully it was almost as if you could hear Hitler crying in hell. One day my mixed race gender fluid grandchildren will ask me, what did you do during the race riots of 2024, Grandpa? And I'll tell them how I stood up to the racists. And then we'll all take our shoes off and head into the mosque together. But, Mum, what... He's good, isn't he?

You've got to admit. You've got to admit. He's very good. I wonder how long someone like him is going to survive on x the way things are going that's my concern yeah well when's he going to be arrested arrested for comedy that will be next you're already being arrested for free speech but look what a brilliant panel to take in what has been a shocking week i actually think a really shocking week perfect I actually think. A really shocking week. Perfect combination. We get the legal expertise from Stephen. And my goodness, Myron, we need you in Parliament next time around.

Absolutely brilliant to have you both. And I hope you will return to Outspoken very soon. Thanks, Dan. Thank you very much. Have a great weekend. That is Stephen Barrett and Myron Centil-Nathan. But we're going to end with even more fun on the show today. Kim Woodburn unleashed. And I've got an idea which I'm not sure she's going to be totally cool with. So wish me luck.

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