Dan Wootton Outspoken - KEIR STARMER MONSTERED BY DONALD TRUMP OVER APPEASING ISLAM AS UK & US WAR OVER IRAN GROWS

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Donald Trump goes nuclear on Slippery Starmer, suggesting in a bombshell interview with The Sun newspaper that the UK Prime Minister was unhelpful to the USA over the strikes in Ir...an because he is trying to appease the growing Islamist vote after the Green party won the Gorton and Denton by-election. And it’s no wonder Starmer is panicking, with the Greens surging ahead of Labour in a bombshell new poll that shows a further slump for Reform UK. But the right in the UK is also divided over Trump’s new middle eastern war, with Restore Britain calling for an out and out Britain First against traditional US allies like Katie Hopkins and Nigel Farage. What’s worse is that the MSM is using the Iran conflict to ignore the horror lessons from Gorton and Denton, which has seen Green traitor Hannah Spencer sworn in to parliament. Instead they want to attack Brits in Dubai like Richard Tice’s fiance Isabel Oakeshott. Dan reveals what the MSM won’t in his Digest and then the Superstar Panel weighs in: UKIP leader Nick Tenconi, Restore Britain spokeswoman for the safety of Women and Children Orla Minihane, and Westminster strategist Peter C Barnes, who writes the brilliant Substack Stranger Views. PLUS: The ethnicity debate on the right explodes, with Advance UK leader Ben Habib now going head to head with Restore Britain, and Tommy Robinson weighing in too. AND: Rupert Lowe SUES Laila Cunningham after she refuses to apologise for her neo-Nazi lie on GB News. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince Harry destroyed in court as the Daily Mail’s Palace Confidential star Rebecca English brutally hits back in dramatic testimony. The Sidley Twins Nancy and Stephanie Sidley – hosts of Twin Talk on YouTube – join me for all the royal latest. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken #uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 437. Breaking right now. Donald Trump speaking in the Oval Office and attacking slippery Stama. I want to go live there right now. Listen to this. Got off all trade with Spain. We don't want anything to do with Spain.
Starting point is 00:00:20 And I'm not, by the way, I'm not happy with the UK either. That island that you read about, the lease. Okay, you made it for whatever reason. and he made a lease of the island. Somebody came and took it away from him. And it's taken three, four days for us to work out where we can land there. It would have been much more convenient landing there
Starting point is 00:00:45 as opposed to flying many extra hours. So we are very surprised. This is not Winston Churchill that we're dealing with. Mr. President, what's your expectations towards Germany? What can Germany do and what should Germany do to help you at this moment? Well, I think they're doing it. They're letting us land in certain areas, and that's, we appreciate it, and they're just making it comfortable.
Starting point is 00:01:07 We're not asking them to put boots on the ground or anything. I mean, we're just, they're a respected country. I have a very good relationship with country. We have, in particular now, with this leader, with this new leader, I think he's an excellent leader. I had my differences with Angola. I said, you're hurting your country with immigration, and you're hurting your country with energy. And we have a man sitting on my right that is, I think, pretty much the opposite of her on energy and the opposite on immigration. And I think he's doing very well.
Starting point is 00:01:45 Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. Chairman, is there an evacuation plan, and will you send plans to get people out? Well, because it happened all very quickly. We thought, and I thought maybe more so than most, I could ask Marco, but I thought we were going to have, a situation where we were going to be attacked. They were getting ready to attack Israel. They were getting ready to attack others. You're seeing that right now. A lot of those missiles that are hitting in, those are stationary.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Those were aimed there for a long period of time at these other countries. So I think I was right about that. We attacked first. And if we didn't, it could have been, you know, look, we're really decimating them. They're being decimated. And if we didn't, if we didn't,
Starting point is 00:02:36 And by the way, we have massive amounts of ammunition. We have the high end. A lot of it was given away stupidly by Biden, very stupidly, for free. And I'm all for Ukraine, but they gave away a lot. As you know, when I give away ammunition, everybody pays for it. The European Union's paying for it. Then they can do what they want with it, but they are giving it, let's say, to Ukraine. And it's okay.
Starting point is 00:03:01 But we gave away a lot of high end, but we have plenty, but we have unlimited middle and upper ammunition, which is really what we're using in this war. And we have really an unlimited supply. We also have a lot of the very high end stored in different countries throughout the world with literally storing it there, which is actually something that I insisted on in my first term. I rebuilt the military in my first term. The military is great.
Starting point is 00:03:32 A lot of, unbelievable amount of, of, uh, uh, uh, uh, a lot, unbelievable amount of, of, uh, uh, uh, ammunition or munitions, as they say, we'd given away to, you know, the Wall Street Journal incorrectly covered the story when they said that it was given away to the Middle East, not to the Middle East, it was given away to Ukraine. Very little was given to the Middle East. Middle East would buy a lot and some of the nations because they're rich, they have a lot, but it was given away to Ukraine. And it just should have been done. Look, it's a war that should have never happened. If I were president, that war would have done. never happened. But we have a tremendous amount of munitions, ammunition at the upper level,
Starting point is 00:04:15 middle and upper level, all of which is really powerful stuff. Mr. President, Mr. President, the question to both of you, how worried are you that the rising prices for gas and oil are damaging the American economy and the last of the chance of the Yeah, sure, this is, of course, damaging our economies. This is true for the oil prices and this is true for the gas prices as well. So that's the reason why we... While extraordinary scenes out of the over office, Donald Trump going nuclear on slippery stammer, suggesting that he is no Winston Churchill.
Starting point is 00:04:54 That comes hours after a bombshell interview with the Sun newspaper, where he said that our prime minister was unhelpful. to the USA on the strides in Iran because he is trying to appease the growing Islamist vote in the UK after the Green Party won the Gorton and Denton by election. At crucial special election in Gorton and Denton in Greater Manchester, the President said it could well be that Kirstama and the Labour Party are pandering to Muslim voters but with their lukewarm, wishy-washy support for the war in the Middle East. The President said the people of the United Kingdom, who I have a...
Starting point is 00:05:34 great relationship with what he says. He says he loves the people of the United Kingdom. They will be as sorry as he is about this situation. And it's no wonder Stama is panicking with the Greens surging ahead of Labor in a bombshell new poll that shows a four further slump for Reform UK. The Greens, for the first time ever, in second place, leapfrogging Labour. Now in third place in the aftermath of the Gorton and Denton by-election. But the right in the UK is also divided over Trump's new Middle Eastern War with Restore Britain calling for an out-and-out Britain first policy against traditional US allies like Katie Hopkins and Nigel Farage.
Starting point is 00:06:20 We don't believe in getting entangled in foreign conflicts, neocon foreign policy. That doesn't benefit Britain in any way seems to serve the foreign policy interests of the United States and Israel. Queer care is too busy on his knee. gnoshing off the Muslim massive to stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest and most special ally. The reaction he has taken has been appropriate, it has been considered, and on this rare occasion I will say, I am far happier that Kirstama was Prime Minister than, say, a Kemi Bidnock or a Nigel Farage,
Starting point is 00:06:52 who apparently are just gagging for America to invade anywhere in the world so they could jump on the bus and join in. What's worse is that the MSM is using the Iran conflict to ignore the horror. lessons from Gorton and Denton, which has seen Green Traitor Hannah Spencer sworn into Parliament. I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors according to law. So help me God. Increasingly our democracy will start to look like some corrupt political system closer to say Lebanon or Sierra Leone than a modern, Western liberal democracy.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Instead, the elite class wants to attack Brits in Dubai, like Richard Tice's fiancé, Isabel Oakshot. Tax exiles like Isabel Oakshot and washed up old footballers who mock ordinary people who stay in the UK and pay our taxes here. By the way, the tax exiles are not asking to be rescued. I don't know anyone that's asking to be rescued. Those rescue evacuation plans are targeted at this point for tourists. Also breaking right now, it's just another horrendous day in Stabathon.
Starting point is 00:08:09 We'll have been injured in a horrific stabbing incident in Birmingham with one of the victims suffering life-threatening injuries as a nearby primary school went into lockdown. So we'll have the latest on that and the conversation the MSM won't have about Iran in my digest next. Then a brilliant superstar panel to tackle all of this. UKIP leader Nick Tenconi, Restore Britain's spokeswoman for the safety of women and children, all a mini-hane, and Westminster strategist Peter C. Barnes, who writes the brilliant substack stranger views.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Also coming up on the show today, the ethnicity debate on the right, explodes with advance UK leader Ben Habib, now going head to head with Restore Britain, and Tommy Robinson weighing in two. Rupert Lowe sues Laila Cunningham, reforms London Merrill candidate after she refuses to to apologize for her neo-Nazi lie on G.B. News. And the truth about Nadia Hussein after the ex-great British Bake Off winner claims the BBC dropped her because of her Muslim faith. Then in the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow on Substack, Prince Harry destroyed in court as the Daily Mail's Palace Confidential star Rebecca English brutally hits back in dramatic testimony today. So the Sidley twins Nancy and Stephanie Sidley hosts of Twin Talk on YouTube are going to join me after the main show for all.
Starting point is 00:09:33 all of the Royal latest over at www.outspoken.com. Live. We'll also crown a new worst Britain in the world today at the end of the show. Here are the nominees from your superstar panel. Hannah Spencer, nominated by Ola Minnie Hayne, who says a vote for her is a vote for Islam. I mean, that is totally true. Hillary Clinton, nominated by Nick Tenconi for storming out of the Epstein deposition. Oh my God, did you see this? It is just worth taking a quick look. This is the real, If there are photos that are being released of the secretary, she is testifying, can you please explain how that can occur? I'm done with this. If you guys are doing that, I am done. You can hold me in contempt from now until the cows come home. This is just typical behavior. We will go off the record.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Oh, for heaven. So I would like to understand how that's permissible. It doesn't matter. We all are abiding by the same rules. I will take that down. Yeah, well. I would like to take a break at this moment. I'd like to have a conversation for now. Go off the record. Oh my goodness.
Starting point is 00:10:38 And Yvette Cooper, nominated by Peter Z. Barnes, who says she is irrelevant on the world stage, just useless. A huge day of breaking news. Also reports of loud bangs in Dubai and Abu Dhabi in the past few minutes. We will keep across it all. So now, let's go. There is a very valid debate to be had about whether we need to take a Britain first approach to foreign affairs and our involvement in wars offshore. Our armed forces are destroyed.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Successive governments have ruined our proud military history while importing the third world which has seen our homeland crumbling. Indeed, it's just another day of stabbathon mania here in the disunited kingdom with horrifying reports of multiple people injured in Birmingham right next to a primary school as armed police, terror cops and their ambulances rushed to the scene. This is talked a little bit of breaking news just coming into our newsroom here. Two people have been injured after armed cops were called to a stabbing outside a primary school in the Alam Rock area of Birmingham. This is according to West Midlands Police.
Starting point is 00:11:56 They've now arrested a man. The armed police flooded the area of Birmingham following a reported stabbing. Officers remain at the scene of an ongoing scene of an ongoing scene. siege in the area and air ambulance is understood to have been deployed to the scene. And naturally, we'll bring you any updates on that as they come in. And we know the issues that are going on in Birmingham. Indeed, this area, this ethnic area on Bridge Road saw police perform CPR on a man with life-threatening injuries. A woman was also injured, but these are not believed to be life-threatening or changing. Report suggests to pass a...
Starting point is 00:12:35 tried to run the knifeman over as he repeatedly stabbed at his victim. The knifeman also reported to be speaking a different language. Eyewitness accounts claim that he then fled inside a residential block of flats, with further reports indicating gunshots were heard from inside the building. A woman was seen screaming with bloodied hands from an upstairs window, shouting that the man was outside her door. the adjacent primary school, allegedly put into lockdown, causing more terror for those young children. A 32-year-old man has now been arrested and remains in police custody. Does this story
Starting point is 00:13:21 from England sound familiar? Well, yes, because it's almost identical to the incident in Edinburgh yesterday. When a man was arrested after a stab-a-thon left two people in hospital. After the knife incident occurred, the suspect was reported to be heading towards a local school, but instead ended a block of flats where he was holed up for hours in a stand-off with police. And these incidents just feel like part of our everyday life. Now in Britain, we cannot normalise this. Laura Dodsworth posted on Exist stabbing next to a primary school would once have been utterly shocking news. One 50pm, nothing on the BBC yet. Rupert Lowe, Restore Britain leader said another day, another stabbing. We need to get real. I am sick of it. We are all sick of it.
Starting point is 00:14:13 This is not the Britain I want to live in. The British state needs to brutally crack down on knife crime. And I mean brutally. That is exactly what Restore Britain would do. No more bullshit community work or soft punishment. Instant deportation for foreign nationals found carrying. Throw the books at the domestic one. Found unlawful. carrying a Restore Britain government would crack down on you in the harshest possible manner. At harshest possible manner, minimum prison sentences, zero excuses. And Elon Musk posed the question that we all should be asking, how many more children must die before action is taken?
Starting point is 00:14:50 Enough is enough. Act now. And that's why I totally understand why Restore Britain is advocating for a Britain first policy for a while. Personally, it makes me feel sick when I see someone like Boris Johnson responsible for the latest wave of mass migration changing the very shape of our disunited kingdom, when I see him advocate for boots on the ground in Ukraine. No doubt he'll be doing the same thing about Iran soon enough. And the last thing we need is the distraction of a Middle Eastern war, as despicable as the Iranian regime is, and noting the shocking threat that that regime poses to us in terms of
Starting point is 00:15:30 terror. But trust me, that is not the reason behind Slippery Stama's position on this conflict and his decision to turn his back on Donald Trump and the USA. That decision is all down to one thing, the Muslim vote, and a terror that the Islamist Green Party is now outflanking his mob on the left, effectively being led by the al-Aqpar chanting Islamist Mothan Ali, who took to the streets to protest the Trump strikes. Stammer's U-turn has been mortifying, disgracing his government further and making the UK a laughing stock internet. It's evolving very quickly.
Starting point is 00:16:27 I want to set out our response. The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes. The United States has requested permission to use. British bases for that specific and limited defensive purpose. We have taken the decision to accept this request to prevent Iran firing missiles across the region. And in the last few moments, in a bombshell intervention in the Oval Office, Donald Trump just turned on slippery Stama. The special relationship is on.
Starting point is 00:17:12 life support. Watch this. And I'm not, by the way, I'm not happy with the UK either. That island that you read about, the lease, okay, he made it for whatever reason, he made a lease of the island. Somebody came and took it away from him. And it's taken three, four days for us to work out where we can land there. It would have been much more convenient landing there as opposed to flying many extra hours. So we are very surprised. This is not Winston-Denstein. Churchill that we're dealing with.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Utterly damning, utterly damning stuff. He had earlier slammed Stama further in a bombshell interview with the Sun newspapers, Harry Cole. I have just interviewed the President of the United States. He spoke to me from the White House on the telephone just moments ago where he launched an astonishing broadside on Sir Kier Stama. He suggested that the Prime Minister is pandering to Muslim voters. as a reason why he's not fully engaging in the president's war on Iran.
Starting point is 00:18:20 So Trump's condemnation of Stama is now total. He is no longer holding back. Cole writes that Trump suggested in an extraordinary broadside that the PM's actions could be because he's worried about Muslim votes. In a withering assessment of Sir Kerr's recent performance, the president also said Britain is not such a recognizable country anymore and warned stop people from coming in from foreign lands who hate you. In a hammer blow to Stama, the president heaped praise on France and Germany,
Starting point is 00:18:53 adding, this was the most solid relationship of all. And now we have very strong relationships with other countries in Europe. Blasting Sir Kerr directly, the president said he has not been helpful. I never thought I'd see that. I never thought I'd see that from the UK. Trump blamed the PM's botched deal to hand over the Chegos Islands to Mauritius as the centre of their fallout, adding, we call it the woke island. The president added, it's a different world, actually. It's just a much different kind of relationship that we've had with your country before. It's very sad to see that the relationship is obviously not what it was.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Asked about accusations that Sarkera's pandering to Muslim voters for political reasons, the president said, it could be. Just days after Labor's defeat at the court and Denton by-election that saw accusations of religious bloc voting, the president added that the embattled PM has got his own difficulties. He said, the people of the UK, who I have a great relationship with who I love, are sorry to hear it also. I don't get it. But you know what? I just, I wish him a lot of luck. It's also not such a recognizable country. I mean, you look at what happened over the last period of time and it's very different. London is a very different place with a terrible mayor. You have a terrible mayor there, some terrible people, but it's a very different place. In a further humiliation for Britain,
Starting point is 00:20:21 the president added America no longer needed its oldest ally to wage war in the Middle East. He said, it's not going to matter, but Stama should have helped. He should have. I mean, France has been great. They've all been great. The UK has been much different from others. This was Cole's take after hanging up the phone to Trump. In the wake of that crucial special election in Gordon and Denton in Greater Manchester, the President said it could well be that Kirstama and the Labour Party are pandering to Muslim voters, but with their lukewarm, wishy-washy support for the war in the Middle East. The President said, the people of the United Kingdom, who I have a great relationship with
Starting point is 00:20:59 he says, he says he loves the people of the United Kingdom. They will be as sorry as he is about this situation. And he made clear that Kirstama has his, quote, own difficulties, which is somewhat underestimating the difficulties that Keir Stama finds of the most unpopular Prime Minister, since polling was invented. It's clear that Washington has noticed that. But I asked the President what advice he'd give Stama to get out of the hole that this Labour government is in. And he had some very clear. He said two very simple things he'd do. Open up the North Sea immediately. Get drilling because energy prices are through the roof.
Starting point is 00:21:35 And as he said, stop people from coming in from foreign lands who hate you. The right of the UK remains divided on Iran, however, with Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain slamming Reform UK's desire to get involved, while traditional American allies like Katie Hopkins continue to back the president. Pete Hegseth, the guy who heads up the Department for War over in America and sweats, testosterone by the bucket load, has said that Kirst Tharmer is a hand-ringing. pearl-clutching coward, and he is absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Queer care is too busy on his knees, gnoshing off the Muslim massive to stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest and most special ally. We apologise for this horrid little man that we have in charge. But Restore Britain spokesman Charlie Downs disputed that position in a special episode of Outspoken. This is going to broadcast next week, but I just want to give you a little preview.
Starting point is 00:22:40 opposing British involvement in military action in Iran. That's right. Yeah. We don't believe in getting entangled in foreign conflicts, neo-con foreign policy that doesn't benefit Britain in any way, seems to serve the foreign policy interests of the United States and Israel. We're not interested in any of that, right? Farage's position will be difficult to stick to as well, given he's clear that our country simply cannot take any so-called refugees from the region.
Starting point is 00:23:07 He's leaving Iran. You know, they will be housed in the Middle East. least, we can't take any more refugees from these conflicts, we simply can't, and if we help get a much better regime in place than the theeocrats and extremists that have been there for 47 years, what you would actually see is a lot of people living in Britain who came from Iran originally would go back. Do you think they should be forced to go back? No, I'm not suggesting that.
Starting point is 00:23:33 I mean, there are Persians here who came from 1979, you know, from the time when the Mullahs took over. I know many of those people that I've met would love to go back to their home country, but away from the barbarity of this regime. Then you have the woke wets like the Daily Telegraphs Tim Stanley back in slippery Stama's dangerous indecision. ...necessary to defend our citizens and our bases. I'm not in favour of us taking action that means regime change.
Starting point is 00:24:02 But my point is, is everyone has attacked Keir Stama. I can't believe I'm defending the man, but everyone has attacked him for being too slow. We're talking about events. You're concertining events that have taken place over 48 hours. Yeah. And I can only repeat, he wasn't told this was going to happen. Okay, so you think him holding his counsel was a good idea. The reaction he has taken has been appropriate.
Starting point is 00:24:26 It has been considered. And on this rare occasion, I will say, I am far happier that Kirstama was Prime Minister than, say, a Kemi Bidnock or a Nigel Farage, who apparently are just gagging for America to invade anywhere in the world so they can jump on the bus and join it. They've said they're gagging for America. They're invade anywhere in the world.
Starting point is 00:24:45 We're talking about Iran. They keep talking about Iran. No, no, no, no. They keep framing it as our ally. This is our ally. This is our ally. Donald Trump's behaviour in Greenland, correct? We're not talking about...
Starting point is 00:24:55 Another good reason for Britain to be cautious and for European allies. You're generalising a little bit about them happy to be what. You think they're gun-toting around the world. Donald Trump decides to invade Canada. You think Farage and Bade-nock are going to bring up the rig. But what really matters is, is what? why Stama has done a total 180 on Iran? Because the mainstream media and elite class
Starting point is 00:25:17 refused to acknowledge that it is because of the desperate need to appease Islam. Today's bombshell UGov poll makes that clear. Indeed, do you remember my prediction? My prediction that the Greens will lead the national polls at some point this year. It's very quickly coming true. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Following the Gorton and Denton, stitched up by election, the tit whisper is part. party has surged four points to 21%. Just two points behind a slipping reform UK, which still leads at 23%. But Carl Benjamin was damning of reform, writing Farage throwing out red meat, Tory style, is not working. And Restore Britain leader Rupert Lowe, who now has 100,000 paid members, said his party is being missed out in the UGov poll, explaining the average polling for all parties has dropped since Restore Britain's launched just over two weeks ago, and the other section has jumped right up.
Starting point is 00:26:14 What does that tell you? When Restore has actually been an option for those answering, we've polled 7% and 10%. There is significant support out in the country for Restore Britain. This is now just a fact. Polling won't properly demonstrate that whilst we are not even given as an option for people to choose, particularly when we're taking so much support from people who have never voted before. This is incredibly difficult to poll for obvious reasons. Our membership will soon, the Conservative Party, just think about that. It is historic growth. Polling companies must now list restore Britain as an option. But for Labour, this poll is now the end of days, down two points to its lowest ever percentage, just 16%.
Starting point is 00:27:01 It's going to upend everyone's political calculations. Look at this. The Greens, for the first time ever, in second place, leapfrogging. Labour, now in third place in the aftermath of the Gorton and Denton by-election. This is a Sky News, Times, YouGuff, weekly voting intention poll. It seems like the Gorton and Denton by-election has given the Greens a wave of publicity to propel them into height they've never been at before. Every age category, under 50, now has the Greens in the lead. Where's this going to leave Labour?
Starting point is 00:27:36 Sadly, Gorton and Denton shows that white, woke people sickeningly cozying up to an extreme religion that wants to wipe them out works, given the invasion of Muslims into our country. Case and point is Hannah Spencer, the traitor who blamed the Islamist terror attack at the Ariana Grande concert at the Manchester Arena that killed young people on right-wing politicians. She's now an MP. Order, will the member wishing to take their seat, please come to the table.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Almighty God, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors according to law. So help me God. Can you believe it? But her rival Matt Goodwin, who Reform UK says one amongst British voters, is now speaking out. Nick, what I'm worried about, given the ongoing demographic change. changes in our country, high levels of immigration, high levels of demographic change. Our democracy, Nick, my big concern, I haven't actually said this publicly since the election, is increasingly our democracy will start to look like some corrupt political system
Starting point is 00:29:39 closer to, say, Lebanon or Sierra Leone than a modern, western, liberal democracy. That is what I'm concerned about, Nick. Let's finish then with how you and your colleagues at Reform want to see. So no foreign-born voters. What about postal votes? How would the system look under this? Mr. Goodwin. Well, remember Tony Blair, again, it all goes back to Blair, but he was the man who introduced widespread postal voting.
Starting point is 00:30:03 What Nigel Farage has said over the weekend correctly is let's restrict postal voting to people who are disabled or very elderly. Let's not make postal voting a sort of mainstream part of the democratic process because, Nick, we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. Nigel Farage has always brought up his memory of somebody turning up at a a polling station with a Sainsbury's bag full of 1,000 votes. You know, this should not be happening. We're not living
Starting point is 00:30:27 in the Middle East, Nick. We're living in one of the greatest democracies in the history of the world. And you're not just doing this lastly because you're a bad loser. This is because the democratic process went through. The particular by-election constituency spoke, and you didn't like the result. Isn't that the reality? Let me just leave you
Starting point is 00:30:43 with this, Nick. I don't mind beating the Labour Party in the sixth safest Labour seat. I think this was, this by-election was a success for reform. But I'll tell you, I've seen this with my own eyes up close. I'm deeply, deeply concerned about where our democracy is heading. And in his substack, Matt Goodwin went further, writing in the most diverse part of the seat, long sight, which my own security team advised I avoid due to the very real threats,
Starting point is 00:31:09 close to half the local population are foreign-born. On some nights, while canvassing local voters, I encountered entire streets. We're not a single person could speak English, and where the people living in homes did not match official record. and where community pressures were openly visible. In such an environment, rampant family voting should not be surprising. As Oxford University's Dr Patrick Nash pointed out over the weekend, up to 50% of the Muslim population in Gorton and Denton practice cousin marriage,
Starting point is 00:31:37 which is a good predictor of higher rates of electoral fraud allegations. None of this should be controversial to discuss. It should be the starting point of a serious national conversation. In one day, we learned that the deputy leader of the Greens, Martin Alley, had joined protests in London to express support for an Iranian regime that has planned some 20 terror plots against Britain, while the Greens new spin doctor Abby Wilkinson had denied Jews had been raped on October the 7th. This is the bleak new reality that we have been pushed towards by people who simultaneously present themselves as the guardians of morality and virtue. Unless we change course,
Starting point is 00:32:13 this trajectory will only accelerate as mass immigration and rapid demographic change continue at record speed as the share of the British as the foreign-born in Britain rockets from just under 20% today to more than 60% by the 2070s. The incentives for political parties to mobilize voters along these sectarian lines will intensify. Conservative of Albi Amancona, he wasn't having that though, responding to Matt Goodwin by saying one positive of the Iran conflict is that it has limited the opportunity for this grifter to milk his election loss in Manchester.
Starting point is 00:32:49 He was a bad candidate. Everyone in Westminster knows he has no business being an MP, whilst what many have heard about him privately remains unresolved. I would say, though, that the real problem with what's gone down in Iran is that the mainstream media here is just able to look away from the postal voting and family voting fraud in the by-election. It is important that we speak truthfully and honestly in this place. And so I will say what is clearly true, and what we all know,
Starting point is 00:33:20 we are talking about Southeast Asian communities, which has been clearly demonstrated objectively in the past. We're talking about people taking their orders on how to vote from mosques and from clans, often direct from Pakistan. We are seeing the criminal abuse of democracy by Labour. I'll certainly go away to both gentlemen. We're seeing the criminal abuse of British democracy by Labour and now by the Green Party, which has been, this malignant new force, has now occupied having its last force.
Starting point is 00:33:52 No use to it. I'll happily give way to go on. I thank the Member of Giving Way. He's just made the most extraordinary allegation about an electoral process last week in which he's suggesting that 12% of all votes are somehow rather invalid because of pressure that he claims is put on them. Has he got any real evidence of this, or is this just an easy assertion to make to grab some headlines in the social media and elsewhere today. Here, here.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Money Krueva. I'm very right that we have this debate, and I'm citing evidence provided by democracy voices, the independent observers who were present in these bowling stations last week. It is important that we look into it. Obviously it's impossible to tell definitively at this stage exactly what went on, but it is clear from these independent observers
Starting point is 00:34:35 that serious abuse seems to have been practiced. Astonishingly, our political class in MSM have decided the most important story is actually whether we should refuse to rescue Brits who have moved to Dubai to avoid paying taxes. This is a sick culture war being launched by Ed Davy against Richard Tice's fiancé Isabel Oakeshot. And I mean, can I just remind everyone that these are the same people who totally believe in rescuing illegal migrants from the channel who certainly would ever pay taxes and come here to rape our women and launch terror attacks
Starting point is 00:35:11 while housing them and expensive hotels. But watch. Speaker, we rightly expect our brave armed forces to protect British citizens around the world in crises like this. But that includes tax exiles like Isabel Oakshot and Washington up old footballers who mock ordinary people who stay in the UK
Starting point is 00:35:34 and pay our taxes here. So as we protect them, Does the Prime Minister agree it is only right for tax exiles to start paying taxes to fund our armed forces just like the rest of... The media war of words continued today. ...notes, isn't he, standing up there, you know, having a go at so-called tax exiles? I don't really understand what the point was that he was trying to make, but I think what he was trying to say.
Starting point is 00:36:05 I'm guessing the context was, should the British government be organising a mass evacuation of tax? exiles. I think that's the point he was trying to make. Well, let me tell him, first of all, most people who live in Dubai, they are non-resident of the UK for tax purposes, continue to pay UK tax on UK earnings and on their assets in the UK. So we continue to be UK taxpayers. We may not pay as much as we did, but we probably still pay an awful lot more than the average person. And so that is a complete misunderstanding of the level of contribution that is still being made by many people. And secondly, by the way, the tax exiles are not asking to be rescued. I don't know anyone that's asking to be rescued.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Those rescue evacuation plans are targeted at this point for tourists. And the extremely wealthy people of which I'm certainly not one have already left. They already took their private check. Ben and expense hit back millions upon millions of people in the UK are not net tax contributors and nothing is demanded of them. Honestly, fuck Ed Davy for using Brits in a war zone for political opportunism. But again, that is a stupid side issue. The millionaires in Dubai don't want to come back. They have moved to a Muslim country ironically to avoid the Islamist threat and mass immigration that is destroying the UK.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Alison Pearson put it this way. Imagine being Kirstama and deciding appeasement and sitting on the fence are the best bet to keep your Muslim vote when that vote has already bug it off to the Greens anyway. So he looks weak and pitiful and everyone still hates him. And the Daily Mail's Labour columnist Dan Hodges had a reality check for two tear care loyalists writing to Labour MPs panicking about the Greens,
Starting point is 00:38:02 Polanski has broken through because you, allowed him to. You broadly supported the Stama strategy. You sat back when Burnham was blocked. You chaired Stama when the cabinet rallied around him. Fine. But don't start crying about it now. One other thing about the Green Breakthrough, there's no route to labour recovery, none at all. That does not involve the removal of care Stama. He's the current catalyst for centre-left discontent rather than the Labour Party as a whole, but that will eventually change. And as you know, since we have come on air today, Donald Trump has been speaking in the Oval Office. We watched live as he said that Stama was no Winston Churchill, a damning indictment of the Prime Minister.
Starting point is 00:38:49 Now Trump has finished speaking, but he has come back to attack the United Kingdom and Kirstama again. I want to play you these extraordinary moments from the past few minutes in the Oval Office. very, very uncooperative. And so has UK. Now the second one is shocking, but this is not the age of Churchill. I will say the UK has been very, very uncooperative with that stupid island that they have, that they gave away and took a hundred-year lease having to do with perhaps indigenous people claiming the island that never even sort of. the island before. What's that all about? And they ruin relationships. It's a shame. It's a, and that country, UK, and I love that country. I love it. My mother was born there.
Starting point is 00:39:49 I love it. My mother was born there. My father was born. He knows all about my father. My father was born there. So, you know, places that you sort of automatically very, very, very, feel warm. formally about. But the UK, what they're doing with energy and what they're doing with immigration is horrible. Very, very uncooperative. And so that is Trump saying that the UK has been very, very uncooperative. He then moved on to start attacking Sadiq Khan. Watch this. They got to solve that problem. And I must say that's not only UK. That's other parts of the European Union. They have the same problem. Immigration and energy. The energy is through the roof, the highest in the world. And the immigration was,
Starting point is 00:40:43 I mean, look, you have places where in the UK, you have a terrible mayor of London, terrible. He's an incompetent guy. But you have Sharia courts. You don't have Sharia courts. You don't want Sharia courts. You have Sharia courts, adjudicating law. So it's very very. Very simple. Immigration, very importantly, immigration and energy. And you bring it back. Otherwise, you're not going to bring it back. Wow, that is how he ended that press conference. But I just want to show you how he began it, because this attack on Starmer is something we've been waiting for on the right of British politics for a long time. And I'm not, by the way, I'm not happy with the UK either.
Starting point is 00:41:27 that island that you read about the lease he made it for whatever reason he made a lease of the island somebody came and took it away from him and it's taken three four days for us to work out where we can land there it would have been much more convenient landing there as opposed to flying many extra hours so we are very surprised this is not Winston Churchill
Starting point is 00:41:52 that we're dealing with wow the damning indictment this is not Winston Churchill that we're dealing with. Donald Trump has gone nuclear on slippery Starma. Now, the superstar panel. What a perfect group to discuss all of this breaking news today. Nick Tenconi is the leader of UKIP. Alla, Minnie Hane, is the women's safety spokeswoman for Restore Britain and Peter C. Barnes, one of Britain's top independent journalists. Wow. Wow. Nick Tenconi, what have we just watched?
Starting point is 00:42:33 What have we just watched? This is the president that for a long time refused to speak ill of Stama publicly, despite his private reservations. This Iranian situation has thrown that out of the window. Stama, really the biggest target outside of Spain in the Oval Office in the past few moments. Certainly, Dan.
Starting point is 00:42:57 Well, peace be with you all. And thanks for having me on. It's just outrageous. And as you know, and I am, we are the beacon for the Patriots that are so tired and so fed up with the Uniparty, with Starma, with the uncertainty, with the prospect of vote splitting, of reforms, betrayal, of the rise of the Greens, etc. And then there's the Stavathon that never ends in Britain, you know, just stuff like that, not being able to buy a house, etc. So the fatigue is unreal. And then you've also got us
Starting point is 00:43:33 split on the vote away from the traditional conservative position and indeed the Christian position of just war theory to this Britain first. I'm sure we're going to go on to talk about that and ethnicity as well. All this just serves to confuse the patriots even further. And this serves to make them less interested in politics, which of course is so very important if you want to take a country back party politics. And then in terms of the arrangement, regime. What's everyone thinking? The Iranians that are here, who sought refuge here, they will obviously go home. They want to go home, just like the polls that came here when I was working on building sites 20 years ago and we were flooded with poles and checks. And there was a
Starting point is 00:44:14 degree of animosity sometimes. But it turns out that 20 years later, they'd all go home. So you really do want to allow for people that came here as refugees under whichever government, whichever guys, if they want to go home and we can create a situation whereby they can go home and we can deal with the number one threat to our way of life, I believe Iran is the leading campaigner of the death to America, death to the West campaign. If we can take them out and liberate the people of Iran, the Persians in good order as well, and refugees, refugees that came here legitimately over the last 20, 30 years, give them a chance to go back home. Those are three, four, five wins, etc. So Stama
Starting point is 00:44:58 not doing the right thing as the socially conservative right would like him to do is no shock, no surprise and the fatigue isn't going to end. Peter C. Barnes, what is so fascinating though is Trump's clear implication and we saw it in that Sun newspaper
Starting point is 00:45:14 interview is that Stama is doing this to appease Islamists, to appease the Surging Green Party which has just overtaken him for the first time in the UGov poll. Yeah, nice to see you, Dan. I couldn't agree more.
Starting point is 00:45:30 I think what we have to be very careful here is when it comes to the golden and an endent of by-election, it's so many people said it's just one by-election. It's not going to make any difference. It's all this kind of stuff. We've just shown that actually this government is willing to put one by-election at front of British foreign policy and British interests. I have to disagree with Rupert Lowe. I'm sorry, America first is Britain first.
Starting point is 00:45:52 They are interlinked. We need America. and America, you know, we have expertise in some areas still with whatever's left of our armed forces. I'm sorry, but yeah, this is a very, very complex issue and it's a very emotive one. I completely understand that. But we have to make sure that we keep our target very, very clear, and that is Iran. We have to take them out. We have to do what is necessary because we have seen over 20 foiled terror attacks that were funded by Iran.
Starting point is 00:46:20 You want to stop the hate marches that are funded by Iran. You want to stop postal voter. stop all this kind of stuff. It's Iran, Iran, Iran. They have in our mosques, they're in our society. They are everywhere. They have infected the British state from top to bottom and they've done it with relative ease
Starting point is 00:46:36 because we've got weak leaders for far too long. We have to be stronger and we have to have a long-term vision. Nobody wants war. It's got to be tough and it's got to hurt. But let me tell you right now, if it stops one attack, stops one Manchester Arena attack, I think it's
Starting point is 00:46:52 personally worth it. So there is a disagreement there with Restore Britain and I do want to come to that in just one moment, Alla Minnie Hane. But first, that Trump broadside against slippery stomach, we cannot underestimate Ola, how significant that is. I mean, Trump has just completely humiliated our Prime Minister in front of the world in the Oval Office.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Good, good. I'm glad he has. because it is so imperative that the rest of the world understand what we are having to tolerate in this country. This horrendously weak leader with his horrendously weak cabinet and government, they need to be named and shamed because it doesn't seem to be getting through to them. They seem to be completely, they seem to be like Teflon. They don't seem to understand how discreet. disgusted the British people are with them. On every level, on every solitary level. But to go back to the Iranian thing, there is a very, very big difference between what Rupert is saying and the stance that Stama is taking. Stama is taking the stance because he is appeasing the Islamic vote. He does not want to go against the Muslims of this country. Because if he does, he is absolutely finished. He's finished anyway. Rupert and Restore's stance is very clear. We are in the biggest trouble. this country that we have ever been in. We have got hundreds and, well, thousands of men
Starting point is 00:48:27 invading this country on a weekly basis. How on earth can we send our soldiers and our military out to fight a war when we have got a war on our very own shores? We have people being stabbed to death in the street. We have girls being, women being raped. The country is in the worst trouble it has been in since the Second World War and Restore's view on that is why are we not looking internally? Why are we not getting our airfield and our Navy to protect our own borders and protect the people in this country before we go and try and sort out a war abroad? That is the stance that Restore are taking. We have got people being massacred on our streets day in and day out. We have not got, we have not got the people, we have not got the military. we've not got the manpower, we have not got the equipment that we need.
Starting point is 00:49:21 America has. So I understand that people are frustrated by the stance restore is taking. But restore and our policy is very simple. We protect the people of this country first. And when we've got our own stuff, our own house in order, we can look elsewhere. If we get involved in a war abroad, the war abroad, sorry, will then instantly instantly put us in a situation where we will have to take migrants and asylum seekers from that part of the world.
Starting point is 00:49:59 We cannot take anymore. We have too many. And ultimately, if we are successful in Iran, the ones that will be leaving will be the bad guys. They will be the terrorists. They will be the ones that promote the Islamic regime. We do not need any more of that in this country. We are on our knees as it is, and that's the simple stance and we still have.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Well, as David 5026 just said on the super chat, thank you, David, by the way. Stama has us thrown in prison for speaking out. We are under Stama occupation for now, for now, but I think he is on his way out. The ethnicity debate is dividing the British right. And the fault lines are quite seismic, actually, because you have Nigel Farage and Ben Habib on one side, Rupert Lowe and Elon Musk on the other. And Tommy Robinson has just weighed in too. So I want to break this down today, take you through the argument, then we'll get reaction from UKIP leader Nick Tenconi,
Starting point is 00:51:09 all a mini hain of Restore Britain, and Peter C. Barnes. But what's interesting is that, as ever, I would argue the public are actually far ahead of our political leaders. And that's as a result of this polling that revealed supporters of Nigel Farage's Reform UK held the most extreme views of any party backers with 71% saying that having British ancestry was a prerequisite for someone to be truly British. And 59% saying they believed the nation was an. ethnic, not a civic community. Strikingly, the finding suggests a significant proportion of Farage's supporters believe being white is an important national characteristic, and that Britain has become
Starting point is 00:51:55 too ethnically diverse. ORM pointed out that trying to distance yourself from over half of your base is a bold move. Let's see how it works out for them. And Nick Dixon added, Farage staying well to the left of his base, much like the Tories, who also make up most of his party. Because you remember, is actually disagreeing with 71% of reform voters. This is what he had to say. Unless we are able to provide a proper democratic antidote to this, then I fear that we will see a rise of a really worrying, dangerous form of extreme right ethno-nationalism.
Starting point is 00:52:36 And I think we're beginning over the last couple of weeks already to see some specimens of it. Nobody, nobody over the last. quarter of a century has done more to defeat the genuine, intolerant, abhorrent, extreme far right than me. We did it with the British National Party and will do it with whoever else follows. But it's important we get a grip on this because there is no issue other than legal and illegal immigration that has broken the bond of trust between the voters and those that govern us more than this issue. And I have spoken out.
Starting point is 00:53:15 consistently on it for now nearly 25 years. But I repeat the point I made at the conference last week. This is no longer a one-man band. Not that it ever was with all you lovely people. And the biggest membership of any party in the country. But I will leave the rest of this debate and the solutions we're offering to Zia. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:53:41 And bin Habib, the leader of Advance UK, which had previously suggested a merger with Restore Britain, has now turned on Rupert Lowe, suggesting that Restore Britain is going down an ethno-nationalist path. Watch. The political answer, however, does not lie in a tilt to ethno-nationalism. That is a dark alley indeed. Ethno-nationalism would create a new, two-tiered country of its own
Starting point is 00:54:11 and would break the United Kingdom along racial lines. It would see England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, gunning for their own form of nationalism, all seeking separation. It would see the end of the United Kingdom. The answer instead lies in re-establishing our British culture, removing all people from the country who should not be here. But Rupert Lowe has a very different, I guess, explanation for this. And it's not about ethno-nationalism or civic nationalism.
Starting point is 00:54:47 It's about reality. It's about science. It's about DNA. And I'm with him. And my case is really interesting. I'm ethnically English, but I wasn't born here. I was born in New Zealand. But my blood is English.
Starting point is 00:55:00 That matters. He posted on X, if I moved to Japan and lived in Japan for decades, speaking the language, integrating into society, contributing to the economy, would I be ethnically Japanese? No.
Starting point is 00:55:12 No, I would not. I would never pretend to be. Nor would that apply to India, Thailand, Mexico, Denmark, or anywhere else. So why is England different? Of course there is an English ethnicity. I am entirely bemused by how so many argue against that it's just a fact. Politicians who say otherwise are cowards. This is painfully obvious. Restore Britain's position is clear. English ethnicity exists. It's the only sodding data point that the government collects on anything. Of course,
Starting point is 00:55:40 someone who is not of that ethnicity can be British obviously, but it equally does not mean that the English ethnicity is imaginary. Those two things can be true at the same time. I got in trouble years ago for suggesting that the footballer Paul Pogba was French, but not ethnically French. It's insanity. That is just a factual position. Common sense clearly. Separately with Storm Britain has said from the very start, owning a British passport does not make you British. We have seen how lazily those documents have been fritted away. Holding that piece of paper does not automatically make you British. We are very clear on that. Is the Egyptian lunatic? Allah Abdul Fattar British, he has a passport, restored Britain says no, no he is not, and he should be
Starting point is 00:56:23 stripped of that paper and deported. We have seen how lazily those documents are frittered away. And he added every other country in the world, manages to acknowledge ethnicities exist without descending into hysteria. England should be able to do the same. And Elon must back him, writing, if ethnicity exists at all, which it obviously does, then English is an ethnicity. This is a simple statement of fact. It is possible to be culturally English or French or Japanese, etc., but ethnically be different. The first is software, the other is hardware. This should not be licensed to be cruel or unfair to people of a different ethnicity. I believe we should be fair to all ethnicities, but not pretend that one or another doesn't exist.
Starting point is 00:57:08 But what was interesting is Tommy Robinson, who had previously been a big batter of Advance UK, wasn't totally convinced with Rupert Lowe's argument, and he asked Restore Britain, lads, I'm a little confused. I listen to Rupert and I read his policies and I agree with them, but then I listen to other spokespeople for Restore Britain given interviews and talking openly and honestly in their own social media spaces, and I'm confused by what the actual party message is. So can I ask a simple question?
Starting point is 00:57:34 If Enright decided to get into politics and wanted to stand as a representative or MP for Restore Britain, would he be allowed to? I'm asking this because I'm speaking in interviews, Back in Restore Britain, seeing them as a solution. But as you know, by the name of our movement, unite the kingdom, we embrace everyone who loves and fights for our country. I'm being asked a lot about restore while I'm over here. He's in America at the moment. So please can you answer one simple question? Because right now, I'm confused. And then they specifically spoke about Will Cole's Hall of GB resistance. And Rupert Lowe said, Will has actually already done some camera work for Restore
Starting point is 00:58:06 Britain. He's been very helpful and he's talented. So yes, that answers your question. He would be welcome. Tommy took that as great news and clarification. It's a shit look when those that aren't you, but are policymakers for a store, say the opposite to this online. All I wanted to know was that what they say is not your position. I'd rein them in if I were you. He then made this video. Well, our question has been answered, which can put my mind ease. Someone who's not white, can, which, because Joe, why, I'm confused. about this because I see policy makers giving interviews or talking online saying the total fucking opposite saying that unless you if someone has not if someone's parents are not
Starting point is 00:58:56 bought from England that's what basically they've said they said soella braveman couldn't stand for the party because of her heritage even though she's born here even though she loves the country even though she's patriarch even though she's a great a great benefit even know all these things, she couldn't stand for each store. So what I want to know is, is that Rupert's policy, or is this, because if your policy advisor or your policy spokesman or your policy people or your spokespeople for your party are making these sorts of comments online, it's not a good look. In fact, I'd be raging. If someone was making a comment like that, on my behalf of the party and that I'm the face of, I wouldn't be happy. Because now we know
Starting point is 00:59:35 that's not what Rupert's saying, and that's not what Rupert's position is. So I think it needs to some of them young lads in around him. We were making these comments. Because it's clearly, he's made a very clear distinction. That's not what he says, which makes me happen. Because it means I'm not going to look an idiot. I think Rupert has the ability to be Britain's Trump. But I definitely think he needs to sort out some people
Starting point is 00:59:58 who are speaking on his behalf or the party's behalf. Because it's not a good look. When you read the comments, it's not a good look, because there's lots of dickards out there who think that's what we, that's what Rupert's representing. When they're making the comments, no, they won't be able to. So I'm glad Rupert's clarified for all those wankers. in the comments. Yes. Same difference. So someone who's not white would be able to stand. Glad that's
Starting point is 01:00:18 clear. Well, let's clear it up further because alongside UKIP leader Nick Tenconi and independent journalist Peter C. Barnes, the Westminster strategist, we do have Alla Many Hayne, who is now the spokeswoman for the safety of women and children for Restore Britain. She defected from Reform UK, which I think is a real coup for Rupert Lowe's party. But all are of a. where do you stand on this whole debate? Because Tommy Robinson seems to be claiming that some restore Britain spokespeople. I presume he's referring to people like Harrison Pierce and Charlie Dunst, who I have a lot of respect for going a little bit further than Rupert on this issue.
Starting point is 01:00:58 I'm glad I'm not a policymaker, so I don't get you. I'm not in that category. But look, I'm ethnically, I'm not British. I mean, I'm Irish. My family are Irish. That's my roots. My mum was born in London, but my dad was born in Dublin. And then my mum's parents were born in Ireland.
Starting point is 01:01:16 So my heritage and my ethnicity is Irish. I was born in London. I was raised in London. I've paid my taxes in London for 35 years. My children are born in London. I'm British. That's the difference. And the thing is, I think it's so sad when people can't be proud of their heritage and where they're from.
Starting point is 01:01:39 You have to be proud. I've got friends that I went to school with 35 years ago whose parents were Jamaican, whose parents were Nigerian. They're British. They were born here. They've contributed. One of them is a barrister now. One of them works in media. I think there is a very, very clear difference between people that come over as illegal migrants, for example. They stay in the country. They get given a passport, which is given out like smarties in this country. And then they have the same. benefits and the same rights as somebody that was born here, bred here and spent their whole life contributing to the country. I think that's the clear difference. I don't think for one minute, and I know not for one minute, would Rupert or the team at Restore at Restore have an issue with people that were born in the UK that have contributed to the UK their whole life that mean and do the very best by Great Britain and its people? That's the difference. That's the difference. It is just differentiating between people that claim to be British because they have a piece of paper that says they are,
Starting point is 01:02:46 even though everything about them goes against the grain and against British values and customs and the way that we carry ourselves and everything that is British. That's the difference. And I don't think that there is anything wrong with separating the two. Nick Tenconi, the UKIP leader, do you and your party take a different view to restore Britain on this issue?
Starting point is 01:03:14 And the whole thing is just a massive headache. So you know, you've asked, and now the panel and the Patriots are going to get it because they deserve a better class of politician. In summer of 24, when everyone backed reform and I said, this is tactically dangerous, which we still haven't had an apology from, from a lot of people. I put out a graphic, which made it very clear that extremists,
Starting point is 01:03:34 bearing in mind Christian nationalists sit on the right, on the socially conservative right, I put out a graphic, and I've got a lot of trouble for that. I've got a lot of stick, but it doesn't matter, because our ideology and our faith comes first, not here to be liked.
Starting point is 01:03:47 Everyone knows where they stand. My question is, and I've got lots of questions, did Rupert set, as leader and commander in chief, did he set boundaries with extremists? I never saw that tweet. I never saw that post. Who's writing Rupert's tweets?
Starting point is 01:04:02 Who's writing those posts? I know Rupert's team, and I also know what's going to happen next. From the get-go, three Fridays ago or four Fridays ago, there should have been that because we are on the right. You absolutely have to set boundaries with extremists. And I believe that his team was given carte blanche to basically do and say whatever they want. And I want, I want proof. I want it confirmed, in terms of extending my hand and the message of unity, I want it confirmed that Rupert's writing his posts because I know that team and I know how they think.
Starting point is 01:04:32 I know their age, and I also know that in recent days, that team have probably been given quite a spanking, and now we're seeing that recanting going on, especially from people on X who have very loud mouths and who are questionably MI5 plants as well. So now we see this massive rush to consolidate our opinion. They've gone near race, they've gone near ethnicity, we've got the receipts, and now there's this backpedaling and this recanting going on. simple to set boundaries with extremists. Why is it? We're on the right guys.
Starting point is 01:05:06 Now, the socialists and the communists, they'll do business with each other, but we're better than that. Why is it so difficult to set boundaries with extremists? Nick, can I just clarify something? Are you saying that there are members of Restore Britain's team who are MI5 plans? No, no, absolutely not. There will be, the most important thing is that we talk about the ethno-nationalist position with regards to totally... Because you're talking about independent commentators. That's correct. Yeah. We must talk about the advent of the suggestion of total remigration, which is morally and ethically disgusting and it is also psychotic. Now, restore I've had three weeks
Starting point is 01:05:46 to sort this mess out and to tell very young people, and I don't know of their professional commercial experience, but very young people who operate in this anglosphere, Zuma warrior capacity, look guys, it's really simple. We're not going down the lines of ethnicity. We're going down the lines of ending immigration. That's a UKIP policy. And our policies were out before advanced and before restore. We're going after the illegals. We're going after the caliphate. No one goes as hard as UKIP and I do with regards to the communists. Matt, I'm a bit concerned why we don't hear more about that. And the reality is that the subject of total remigration must be addressed within any ethno-nationalist movement or with any nationalist
Starting point is 01:06:25 movement, because that is exactly what the state does. It puts an extremist into the right to talk about nonsense psychotic ideas like total remigration, which then pulls people into that suggestion. It pulls them into that family, into that camp. So what we've got now at Restore, and we've seen it with other political parties, because those boundaries were not set, things were not clarified, it is now a Tinderbox. That's why I exist. It's why UKIP exists. Do you want to hit back at any of that? I think, I'm sorry, Nick, I'm trying to work out whether or not you're in agreement with Rupert, you're not in agreement with Rupert,
Starting point is 01:07:02 I'm trying to work out what your stance is. I think that there has been a lot of criticism about who is joining the party. Now remember, when you join the party, you go online, you pay your £25, your £25, you join. We as an organisation cannot possibly screen 100,000 people that join a part of the party. We can't.
Starting point is 01:07:27 We have to take a chance that most people that are joining a decent. Now, of course, the law of averages would mean that they aren't. And there are going to be some wrong-ins in there. Of course there are. And I would absolutely put my house on the line right now that Rupert would not, and the team at Restore would not want any extremism within Restore. Of course we wouldn't. We are a decent group of law-abiding British patriots that have come together in Restore.
Starting point is 01:07:57 store. Now, we can't do anything about them. What we can do is make sure that these extremists never get into a situation where they are put forward as spokespeople, they're never put forward as counsellors, they're never put forward as potential MPs. That is all we can do. And every solitary party from the right to the left will have extremists who are members and who participate and call them and align themselves. That's just simply how it is. You can't control that. do you accept that nick so what i'd like my position hasn't changed from where we were two weeks ago after the launch of on that friday evening i'd like for rupert to speak to me i'd like a meeting i'd like a call i don't really mind to be honest of you i'd like to know more about the man i'd
Starting point is 01:08:41 like to know more about his ideology i set bound no matter what the consequences to me and my team when we did that in summer two thousand twenty four which i still get vitriol to this day by the way we led the charge there. Our policies out first, manifesto out first, our missions out first. These people were still part of reform, by the way, when I said this is all wrong, General Election 24. So one of my hand has extended to Ben Abiv and to Rupert and to Rupert. And obviously, these people, both Ben and Rupert, they want the crumbling reform vote. So the Tory, the reform exists for the Tory scoop up. And now Ben and Rupert, they're not silly. They want the fallout from reform. Christian nationalism isn't going anywhere. It remains the cure for Britain because mass deportations doesn't solve abortion. Mass deportations doesn't solve fatherlessness, divorce. It doesn't solve porn addiction. There is so much that we have to do. And my hand remains extended to these men and I want us to all sit down. And if our ideology is the same thing and we reject and denounce extremism, we can do business, we can be a family, we can make sure that we produce a superpower on the right. And by uniting, we can give the Patriots the hope. We can genuinely
Starting point is 01:09:48 save Britain. We can block the establishment down. And we can block the Greek. the rise of the Greens, but you cannot do that unless our ideologies are. Okay, I want to bring in Peter C. Bounce, because Peter, I mean, you are a reform skeptic, well and truly, but how do you feel about the rise of Restore Britain? Do you think that could be the answer? Well, it's all a little bit of a mess, isn't it? I mean, yes, everybody knows I don't like reform. It's no big secret. I actually don't mind the idea of Restore, but the way this has got out of the blocks is shambolic. It's a... embarrassing and they need to get a whole of it quick.
Starting point is 01:10:25 They need to fire these people running around talking about this stuff. It is absolutely imperative that you get back on a message, calendar and control. That is basic political operations. Everybody has to do it. Sorry to interrupt Peter. Wouldn't that turn restore Britain into everything that both of us have hated about reform UK, which is a fence archaeology, people being sacked because they said
Starting point is 01:10:51 something all of these years ago. Control, control, control, centrally. I don't want to see that. Neither do I, but unfortunately, I'd rather like to stop the Greens. This is not about the individual ideologies anymore. This is about saving the country. This is about making sure that this country is safe. That is what it's about now.
Starting point is 01:11:11 And unfortunately, we have to make sacrifices. The problem of ideologues is always this. It's when we are literally right at the precipice of a very dangerous moment, we go internal and we forget the bigger mission. We have to think of that. And this is what Rupert and the team at Restore and everybody else on the right has to continually remember that we have to stop this from happening
Starting point is 01:11:32 and getting any worse than it already is. And unfortunately, that means that we have to kind of make some decisions to appeal to a base that isn't naturally our home. And that's how we win. That is how you win. And unfortunately, that's how the politics is. Then when you're in power, you can change the game. But you don't change the game.
Starting point is 01:11:49 but you don't change the game from outside, carping on the sidelines. That is what Restore Britain will end up being. And unfortunately, yeah, sorry, go on. Sorry to interrupt, but what is it that you're looking for? So you don't like reform. You obviously don't like conservatives. And now you don't like restore. So what is it that you want?
Starting point is 01:12:09 No, I didn't say I didn't like restore. I said that they need to get the house in order. That's not what I said already. Okay, okay. Sorry, sorry. My thing with reform is always, I don't trust Nigel, and I don't understand why anybody ever did. The thing that I think Restore has great legs,
Starting point is 01:12:22 it's got a great idea behind it, it's got some principles. But if you're going to behave like this as a political party, you're not going to get anywhere. And that's the reality of it. Just to confirm, behave like what? Just tell me what it is. Yeah. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:12:36 The fact that I actually agree with Nick, that you've got different people talking about different things. I agree with Tommy as well, that you've got to have a single coordinated message. If you don't have that, you are an open target, not just to the Reform Party, But the Greens get to write you off.
Starting point is 01:12:51 The mainstream writes you off. That happens, you're not getting the media oxygen that you need to survive. And that's what you are right now. You're not reform. You've got to survive. And the way that this is going about, it's not working, I'm afraid. And that comes from a lack of experience on the ground. That's all I'm saying is, I don't give me wrong.
Starting point is 01:13:09 Yeah, and also, if I may, it comes from an explosion in numbers. 100,000 members. It's extraordinary. Yeah, when you have. When you have two weeks ago, it was launched as a party, maybe nearly three, the absolute explosion in support and members, it's almost like Frankenstein's monster. It is just erupted. And the thing is to keep on that and to control that and put the infrastructure in place,
Starting point is 01:13:37 as reform have found out themselves, which has caused them many, many issues over the last two years. That is a really, really big ask. And I totally understand you. and I totally understand where you're coming from on that. Okay. And if I may before we move on. Yes, Nick, come in.
Starting point is 01:13:53 Yeah, if I may before we move on, I controlled it. I put out a tweet. So you're basically saying Rupert needs to. Rupert needs to. Okay, well, look, fascinating debate. Absolutely fascinating debate. Thank you all for having it.
Starting point is 01:14:11 Breaking today, Laila Cunningham, Reform UK's London, Merrill candidate. has just had a catastrophic two weeks, but it's about to get worse. Rupert Lowe is dragging her ass into court, with news that Restore Britain is now formally launching legal action against the businesswoman after she smared the new political party as neo-Nazi in a car crash appearance on GB News.
Starting point is 01:14:43 As Basil the Great put it, if she loses in court, watch Farage throw her under the bus too. Now you remember this came during a completely, I would say, unhinged, apparent on Jubes and Co, where Leila was referring directly to Charlie Downs Restore Britain's spokesman when she made the below the belt jib. And what is so fascinating is that GB News itself clearly aware that they were in dodgy legal territory did offer an on-air apology to restore Britain, even though they do continue to ban Rupert Lowe from appearing on the station.
Starting point is 01:15:26 But Cunningham herself has refused. Here's what happened and how G.B. News dealt with it if you missed it the first time. I mean, they're talking about, if you're not white and Christian in this country, you're not British, right? They're going back to some kind of like neo-Nazi Aryan race. If you're not white, I mean, I've heard their spokesperson on talk TV and on TV saying, if you are not white and Christian, then you're not deemed to be British. And you know, that flies in the face of wanting integration and assimilation because no matter how much you integrate or assimilate, according to them, you will never be British. Well, look, I mean, they're not here to defend themselves
Starting point is 01:16:03 right now, but the bottom line is there might be people in their party who say one thing who don't, but that might not be the party line. On Tuesday on Jubes and Co. One of our panellists claimed a spokesperson for Restore Britain said in a recent interview that if you are not white and Christian, then you are not deemed be British. To clarify, the spokesperson actually said that Britishness relates to ancestry and Christian faith, amongst other things. Restore Britain has said that its immigration policy has been mischaracterised. They strongly object to the comparisons made by the panellists to neo-Nazism and said, wanting an immigration system that serves the British people is in no way neo-Nazi. But Layla Cunningham, who has been warned, has remained silent, prompting Rupert Lowe to post.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Since our launch, an unprecedented wave of vile abuse has been thrown at the Restore Britain team. As a direct result of Reform UK labelling Restore Britain neo-Nazi, there has been an arrest and an interview following a post that depicted me getting shot in the neck in the same way that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The suspect is now on bail. The police are also directly involved in another case in a different part of the country for a credible death threat. Many, many others have also been reported. Our legal team are now beginning official proceedings against Layla Cunningham, the reform candidate for London mayor who labelled Restore Neo-Nazi. The Telegraph also published a piece insinuating that Restore is a Nazi organisation and we are examining our options. For the first
Starting point is 01:17:36 time in my life, despite being a Premier League chairman for 10 years, I now have private security. I believe in free, fair and firm debate. I do not believe in disgusting smears that endanger me, my team and the Restore Britain membership. Debate Restore Britain on our policies and ideas, on our belief that immigration should solely benefit the British people. Do not resort to deliberately targeted abuse, which is designed to incite anger and violence against us. It must. It must. end now. So to restore Britain's Ulham Minnehane on this first, all, I mean, this is so interesting because of course you just defected from Reform UK, I presume you know Leila Cunningham.
Starting point is 01:18:20 How do you feel about the fact that she's effectively trying to brand your new organisation as neo-Nazi and not apologising for it? So there's a couple of things here. First of all, since leaving Reform myself, and there are many, many reasons that I left, of which we haven't got time to discuss. But at the end of the day, I'm not a counsellor, I'm not an MP, I'm just a woman, and it is my prerogative and my right
Starting point is 01:18:51 to move to an organisational party that I feel aligns with what I believe. And for me, the reason I left and came to restore was because of their stance on what they did around the rape gang inquiry and Rupert's absolute unbelievable backing of me and the pink lady movement and all the things that we've done in relation to the migrant, illegal migrant scandal and how they've affected women and children and what it's done to this country. So that's the reason I left. Since then, when I mean harassed, I mean harassed and bullied and disgusting smears and threats against.
Starting point is 01:19:34 It's me and my family so much so that I've had to be involved with the police. So I'm very well aware of where Rupert's coming from. It is shocking and disgusting that people would label you just for having free speech and your own opinion in a country that promotes free speech. So all of these threats. So these threats, sorry. Are you suggesting that they are coming from people who are part of Reform UK?
Starting point is 01:20:01 They're not part, but they're supporters of, yes. Now, with Leila and what she said about, you know, I know Layla, I've met her many, many times and, you know, I can't comment on why she said that. I think that, and back to the conversation earlier, there is an element of, and there are some people within the Restore organisation who are members who say things that are controversial and say things that aren't the party line. I can tell you now that I would never ever be part of an organisation that was anything to do or emulated anything to do with the Nazi regime, fascism, anything else. We are not a racist party. I am not a racist. I have got friends from every kind of background. We are just an organisation that wants to put the British people first, that wants to eradicate the Islamic regime that is. consuming our country. And we just want to give people of this country a good life and a safe existence
Starting point is 01:21:07 and a decent future for our children. That's it. And if that may, if that, if that, then therefore make someone like Layla call us Nazis, then she's the one with the problem, not us.
Starting point is 01:21:20 So you would say she should apologise? She's absolutely she should apologize. Everybody, if you say something that is completely wrong and, and completely outrageous and out of order and puts people at risk, which it has done for Rupert, which it has done for me, which it has done for a couple of others within the organisation. Of course you should apologise,
Starting point is 01:21:40 because all she's done is give ammunition to the lunatics that support reform, mainly women, let me tell you, who have come for me and come for other people in the organisation. And it is not on and it is not to be tolerated. And Rupert's right. look what happened to Charlie Kirk. And that was because of a psychotic agenda and narrative that people convince themselves of.
Starting point is 01:22:06 And that is not okay. And if we, if Rupert had said something similar about Leila and therefore created hostility towards her, can you imagine what people do to do? Totally. He'd be, no doubt, be arrested. Peter C. Bonds, you know Leila Cunningham. I've seen you appear with her quite a lot, including I think, and. that quite crazed episode of Plank of the Week on Talk TV when she was trying to say that the UK is a secular country.
Starting point is 01:22:38 I mean, what's happened to her? She doesn't seem to really be particularly with it at the moment with all of these attacks. Well, yeah, I have to admit, that was quite a bizarre moment of my life when all that went down. I have to admit she literally kind of like trying to put her arm out against me and all that, this kind of stuff. But my thing with Layla, and really realistically with reform, is they're panicking like mad. They are literally lashing out like a wounded animal because they don't know what they're doing. They're certainly got this meteoric rise. They've got all this pressure on them because they promise the world.
Starting point is 01:23:11 They're delivering basically nothing. And then you've obviously got the rise of Rupert and Ben and all this other stuff. They don't know what they're doing. And this is how the left will win because we can't get our houses in order. We don't have to live in the same house. but we have to live on the same street. And Leila should apologize. What she said was horrific and wrong.
Starting point is 01:23:30 And you're perfectly right. If it was the other way around, my Lord, we'd never hear the end of it. And this is the bigger point, is that we have to be better. We have to not be the left. We're turning into the woke right. And it's got to stop.
Starting point is 01:23:43 And unfortunately, it comes with people like Leila apologising and going away for a little bit. I do think, and we're sad to say that I don't think she's up to being Mayor of London, if this is how she's going to behave. Because if she can't even deal with criticism on these issues on the right, let alone just think, sorry,
Starting point is 01:24:00 when Siddique Khan's machine goes at them, they're going to get pulverised. And it's London and the UK that will suffer because they're not fit for it. So many people are telling me at the moment she just will not stay candidate, Reform UK, going to have to take her off the ballot. But Nick Tenconi,
Starting point is 01:24:18 I'm interested in your view on this because it's something that's thrown at you all the time, the neo-Nazi slur all the time. You get it. You kept get it. You had it over your logo. And I just do think Peter is right, isn't he? We have to be better than the left. Every time someone on the right annoys us, we can't be shouting Nazi. It's like, that's what the crazy communists do. It shouldn't be from our own side these sorts of attacks. What I find so heartening is that both you and Peter have just referred to reformers, our side. And look, guys, with the 200, it wasn't a Freudian slip, you guys know it in your hearts.
Starting point is 01:24:57 This is what, this is what pressure does where we've got three very serious political leaders and three very serious political parties on the right. They should be on our side. I'm not sure they're on the right. Yeah, so they're the middle. So, so there's, there's, look, the futures market is not one I like dealing with at all. You, we'll find out in 2009. You've got all of the reform attack dog saying Nigel is playing the long game. To say the long game doesn't exist is so unprofessional. Of course it exists. It exists in all manner of ways.
Starting point is 01:25:29 It's called 3D chess. But we can't trust that and we're out of time and he's pandering to the Islamic boat. So nothing's changed from me in nearly 18 months of saying the same thing over and over again. But we don't want Britain harmed any further. And it's not just about blocking the Unipart. It's about stopping the rise of a genuine communistic threat, which has legitimate, just like we have 26 Muslims in Parliament, we also have five or whatever it is now, six, greens, etc.
Starting point is 01:25:57 You get an awful lot of money when you become an MP. You get the momentum as well, et cetera, et cetera. So we must be a family. We must view ourselves as a family. But the only way you can do that in our sector is if your ideology aligns. Now, if so many hours, if reform have the momentum, if they have the 200,000 and, you know, trillion in funding and they've got GB News. What we do, Ben, me and Rupert, what we do is that's where your pressure works. If you're waving your fist outside the castle in our system,
Starting point is 01:26:30 no one cares. So that's why you've got to have your Ben Habib sent a right position. You've got to have your Christian nationalist position on the right and then restore a got there. Again, all my questions still remain. Is it an ancestry position? Is it a right position? Is it a socially conservative position? Because again, I have to say it, the people that I know that I'm expecting, are writing a lot of Rupert's posts, they reject conservatism. They say it's failed. That is diametrically opposed to us small C conservative. So again, we need clarity there. But it's so heartwarming to hear you both say that. Reform could listen to us, could they? They could take their momentum and they could move.
Starting point is 01:27:06 Well, look, I voted for Reform UK. I voted for Reform UK at the last election. But what I always say, and I'll just repeat it very briefly again, is that it was Reform UK and Nigel Farage that started this war. they were the ones who made people like me, like Carl Benjamin, like Peter C. Barnes, like Tommy Robinson, like Aller, not feel like that party was really a home for us. So my argument is, I mean, it's maybe a pathetic one, but it's like they started it. And unfortunately, with the reporting of Rupert Lowe to the police for hurty words, for a lot of us, that was a bit of a red line issue. So yeah, I do think they should be on our side. I do hope for improvement. And of course,
Starting point is 01:27:49 I constantly keep saying that I hope that Reform UK move to the right place and change their views on a lot of this. I just don't see much of that happening at the moment. Isn't it extraordinary that Nadia Hussein, a Muslim woman who had absolutely no recognition, no money, no real prospects until she appeared on a BBC reality show, the great British bake-off making cakes, and all of a and overnight was transformed into a multi-millionaire TV presenter, isn't it extraordinary that she would turn on the organisation, the BBC, the British Bashing Corporation that gave her that fame, gave her that fortune, gave her that money in part because she was Muslim,
Starting point is 01:28:37 and then say that the reason she's lost at all is also because she's Muslim. But that's the situation we're currently in with this woman. and to be honest, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. I'm absolutely sick of it. It's like, Nadia, do you not understand? The reason they gave you all of these shows in the first place was because you had your headdress on.
Starting point is 01:29:02 The BBC love this stuff. And the fact that they've now turned on you is because you're just done. Your ratings weren't great. They tried everything. And that happens in life. And sometimes you've got to reinvent. Trust me.
Starting point is 01:29:15 You know, I was totally cancelled from the mainstream media. I'm here doing this now. And it's much better. You don't need to rely on anyone. But this victimhood mentality that you've lost everything simply because you're a Muslim, and I would argue that's why you have everything has really annoyed me. And clearly Nadia Hussein is going through something at the moment.
Starting point is 01:29:38 I mean, if you saw her recent social media video, and I do have sympathy for her, she's struggling in some way. Watch this. I've always wanted to work with younger children in younger years as a TA. And I applied for a few jobs, which in itself was difficult for lots of reasons. But I applied and I've got a job as a TA at a primary school. And I've got to say, probably one of the best, apart from raising my own children, probably one of the best jobs I've ever done, loved every second of waking up in the morning,
Starting point is 01:30:16 always had a spring in my step and turning up for these beautiful children and showing up for them and just, yeah, I loved every second of doing that job but unfortunately doing a job like that as somebody with a weakened immune system it just was played havoc on my health. I was, you know,
Starting point is 01:30:42 as anyone who had, as anyone who, You guys will know anyone who's worked in a school setting. You know, there's lots of coughs and cold and bugs. And I just couldn't get better. I was just sick all the time to the point where it was affecting my mental health. And I felt like I just wasn't performing. And I just felt like I wasn't even my best self because I was always sick. Okay.
Starting point is 01:31:06 So she's not in a great place. That is very clear. But what is now emerging is the real reason that Nadia, Hussein was axed and had nothing to do with her Islamic religion. This from the Daily Mail. Nadia Hussein was axed by the BBC because her star had waned. Her recipes became tired, and she became increasingly hard to work with insiders have told the Daily Mail. The former Great British Make-off star claimed this week her religion as a Muslim was a factor in the Beeb's decision not to renew any of her shows after over a decade. Nadia previously told a podcast,
Starting point is 01:31:40 she still has no idea why she was quietly dropped by the BBC in June after 10 years on our screen after failing to receive a definitive reason by bosses. But in a new interview, Nadia is now adamant her Muslim heritage was to blame, claiming that she is a victim of racism in the broken TV industry. By the way, being Islamist is not anything to do with your ethnicity. It's not racist to criticise Islam. But she said that she is a victim of racism in the broken TV industry and that her faith has made people uncomfortable. She said, suddenly I wasn't the same Nadia, that I was before because before I was writing cookbooks, that were for everyone, and now I wrote this book that didn't feel inclusive. But BBC in sources insist Nadia's claim her religion was a major
Starting point is 01:32:24 factor in her bean drop couldn't be more wide of the mark, insisting the 41-year-old enjoyed a long and fruitful stint with the broadcasts, which came to a natural end. The insider said Nadia had a decent spell with the Beebe. Not many chefs can say they've had a decade's worth of shows on various BBC channels, but the BBC is constantly trying to evolve and bring a new talent regarding their food programming, so it's simply the right time to focus on new personalities. On Nadia's claim, her Muslim heritage was a factor behind her acts, and the insider added, that couldn't be more wide of the mark. Look at all the series she's made previously with the Beeb, The Chronicles of Nadia. Nadia's Asian Odyssey! She can't say they haven't embraced
Starting point is 01:33:02 her roots. To my superstar panel, Nick Tenconi, All a Minnie Hain and Peter C. Bans, Peter, this infuriates me. It's like, you are on the great. British Bake Off with your headdressed. There was no hiding you were Muslim. And I'm just going to be totally honest about it because the mainstream media never will, Peter, the reason that the BBC embraced her so massively in a way that they haven't with previous winners of the Bake Off, like how many previous winners of the Bake Off received their own TV series, was because she was a Muslim woman. And they wanted to tick the diversity boxes. Oh, without a doubt, I mean, 10 years. I mean, could you name another winner at the Bake Off? Because I couldn't.
Starting point is 01:33:42 I mean, the only reason we know her is because of who she is. And are you really telling me the BBC acts her because of her religion? The BBC? I mean, the problem with this woman, she lacks self-awareness, which is a massive problem left, and these kind of oppressive types of people. They don't realize that, you know, they're not always worthy of our attention. And that's what she basically is now.
Starting point is 01:34:02 She's an attention seeker. I'm bored of these stories. I'm bored of having to talk about these stories. But it's important that we do because we have to keep highlighting to people that these people are ridiculous and they are not worth our time. And I would remind you for that 10 years, it was our tax money that she got as a wage.
Starting point is 01:34:18 That's the point. Her shows were made with our money. So for her to suddenly, you know, play victim, it's pathetic, it's boring. And I'm sorry, she could just disappear for all I care. I mean, Nick Tenconi, she went on a BBC reality show, made a few cakes, okay, clearly did it pretty well, and became a household name and a millionaire.
Starting point is 01:34:37 I mean, I would argue she should be thanking the BBC forever. more. So the issue we've got with regards to professional victimhood training is it's as abhorrent and as evil as narcissistic personality disorder. Yes. Liberal narcissistic personality disorder. Holy than thou. It's all that look, Charlie God rest of souls been mentioned a few times tonight.
Starting point is 01:35:05 Look at the debate that I was. Yeah, look at the debate that I was up against Oxford University. students for four hours on Thursday just last week, they're gone. They're gone. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's through the lens of victimhood, everything. And, and and, and, and, and, and, um, people who they consider to be refugees rather than illegals. There's no sense of, um, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, course, professional victimhood training is an attack on Holy Mother Church. It is an attack on Christianity.
Starting point is 01:35:37 And in terms of the political side, our Conservativesism 101 is personal responsibility. So it's up. Peter has just made some incredibly good point. So I won't go over it again. But how dare she? And I've seen that professional victimhood training up close and personal. It's ugly and it's also incredibly dangerous. It's lethal.
Starting point is 01:35:54 Paula Manny Hayne, did you have any sympathy for Nadia Hussein? No, look, she's just a husband. I mean, look, the thing is, you have to understand. First of all, I'm loving the fact that she's not worn any makeup for that, for that poor me thing. If I didn't wear makeup, people would think that I was dead, so, you know, because I didn't so horrendous. I do not believe that, I'll.
Starting point is 01:36:15 No, it's true. She's done it for maximum sympathy. Oh my God, look at me, I'm so ill. But ultimately, look at, you said about reinventing, look at someone like Madonna, obviously a different spectrum. You have to reinvent yourself. And if you don't, you become boring. And there's only so long that she can be the little girl with a headscarf that makes some nice things.
Starting point is 01:36:35 Right, it's done. It's gone. It's finished. She also the other day compared herself to Mary Berry and said that she would never be like Mary Berry. Well, no, you wouldn't be like Mary Berry. She's a completely different offering. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and realise that your time has gone. It was good while it lasted.
Starting point is 01:36:54 Take your money and go on holiday. End of story. Yeah, indeed. Indeed. Indeed. Well, look, stand by. You three, because we're about to reveal the worst Britain in the world today, our union jackass and our greatest Britain too. So don't go anywhere. But first, I just want to get to a bit of
Starting point is 01:37:08 feedback about, well, the big news today. Donald Trump just going for slippery Stama. Lawrence Berry says, Britain is an Islamist country. Mr. Trump needs to secure regime change, much like in Iran. Catherine Harvey says Stama and Khan are going to spoil things with Trump. Kanish Samoris says, Trump, please don't. blame the UK, blame Stama. It's him, not us. I actually feel like Trump really did that. He said he loves the people of the UK. He knows this is a leadership thing. He loves the country. He loves the people. On YX 300 V9N said, if Trump had your citizenship, he can stand for prime minister. Well, actually, right now anyone can, can't they? And from range over 63, Stama cannot survive this.
Starting point is 01:37:53 A USA president chewing him out, Stama has to go. And look, that's a matter of time. It is coming, isn't it? A reminder of your union jackass nominees, Hannah Spencer nominated by Ola Minnehane who says that it was a vote for Islam in the Gortem and Denton by-election, Hillary Clinton, nominated by Nick Tenconi for storming out of the Epstein deposition and Yvette Cooper nominated by Peter C Barnes for being irrelevant on the world stage and just useless. Okay, the votes were in. It was tight today. But Nick Tenconi, you were in third placed with 28% of the vote with Hillary Clinton. You were the runner up, Peter C. Barnes, 31% going for Evette Cooper.
Starting point is 01:38:36 But the winner of today's uni and Jack has Alla Minnie Hayne who went for Hannah Spencer, the new Green Party MP. That got 42% of the votes. So well done. And Alla Minnie Hayne, you are also nominating a very important greatest Britain today, a woman who I adore Chavonne, White, talk to me because you're at the head of her new trust. Yes.
Starting point is 01:39:01 So the wonderful Chavon, look at her, do you know, it brings a tear to me. It makes me well up every time I see her little face, look at her. She, she, yeah, so Chauvinn, as, as you know, Rianan White's mom, we have set up the foundation, the Rianne and White Foundation, which I'm absolutely honored to be a trustee of with Chabon. The reason that she's my greatest Britain is not just because, of her relentless struggle over the last 18 months since she lost Riannon. But the fact is that she wrote an email to Kier Stama last week.
Starting point is 01:39:39 And in that email, which I posted on X, she asked him for a meeting with her and asked him if she would meet with her so that she could get some answers so that she can, in her own mind, sort of clarify what has happened. to this country why her daughter was sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism and wokeness. And she just wants him to just give her five, 10 minute phone call to talk her through so she can in her mind get some peace. And he cannot and neither can anybody in his organisation, in his office, even not even respond, acknowledge her. She is emailed as of I, Jess Phyllis. Shabana Mahmood, the MPs for where Rianan was murdered and where they live, nothing.
Starting point is 01:40:34 Absolute silence. And that is so wrong on so many levels. And it is the absolute, in a nutshell, shows the complete under or just complete, not even hatred. Just, I'm trying to think of the right word. I can't even think of the right word because I'm upset thinking about it now but they're just disinterest in us as human beings, as UK citizens, as mothers and they can't even respond to her and that breaks my heart. So she's my greatest, my greatest Britain because she's relentless in her.
Starting point is 01:41:13 And how can people support the trust, aller? Yes, so sorry, I get a bit emotional every time I talk about it. I'm sorry. So it's called the Realtzbo. The Rihanna White Foundation, there is a go fund me at the moment. We're trying to raise enough money so that we can set the charity up because you have to have a certain amount of funds. We have met that now, which is brilliant. So you can support it financially.
Starting point is 01:41:37 And then when our website's up and running, there will be other things that you can do. So fundraising, joining charitable events. And essentially, it's a foundation to help support the families that have been left behind, mainly children whose mothers have been murdered. Yeah, so important. And I absolutely loved meeting her for our special edition of Our Spoken the other day. But look, what a wonderful superstar panel to thank you. Such important debates today on a big day of breaking news. Nick Tenconi is, of course, the leader of the UKIP party, Peter C. Barnes. You've got to subscribe to his substack. I absolutely love it. It is called Strangeer views. But if you just search for Peter C Barnes, substack, you can find him there. and Alla Minnehane. Congratulations, Alla, now the spokeswoman for Restore Britain on the issue of children.
Starting point is 01:42:27 Not the policymaker. Not the policymaker. No, no, exactly. That's a little bit more controversial, isn't it? But so great to have you, Aller, for the first time since you've defected from Reform UK. We are now moving over to Substack for the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow. The Sidley Twins of Twin Talks on Substack are standing by. I would love you to join us there at www. www. spoken. Live. We are back with you tomorrow 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. Remember to subscribe to Outspoken as a podcast completely for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you happen
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