Dan Wootton Outspoken - KEIR STARMER REVEALS SHOCK BREAKDOWN OVER GRINDR UKRAINIAN FIREBOMBERS AS HE LOSES CONTROL

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

Take back your personal data with Incogni! Use code OUTSPOKEN at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: http://incogni.com/outspoken BREAKING TODAY: Slippery Starmer has gone public in a bombshell new interview, admitting a hidden breakdown over the Grindr Ukrainian firebombers, his brother’s death and even that “island of strangers” speech. The mortifying development comes after his biggest U-Turn yet – the fourth in a month – proving this is a man who might be in office but has lost any vestige of holding power. Dan will take you through the shocking revelations from this interview of the UK's flailing Prime Minister – desperately trying to continue to hide the big secrets in his complicated private life – in his Digest. Then Connor Tomlinson weighs in. PLUS: Calls to BAN Muslim schools in the UK go viral after Alex Phillips stuns the British Bashing Corporation. Is the Overton Window shifting in real time? AND: The two most famous women in Scotland – JK Rowling and Lorraine Kelly – go head to head over the issue of women’s rights, with Boy George proving the catalyst for this astonishing showdown. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: The American A-list gathers in Venice for the wedding of Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez, while Prince Harry and Meghan Markle seethe at home in Montecito having not been invited. Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin – the Duke’s biographer – reveals all. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken Live episode number 258 and breaking today. Slippery Stammer has gone public in a bombshell new interview admitting a hidden breakdown over the grind of Ukrainian fire bombers, his brother's death and even his Island of Strangers speech. Now in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that, these rules become even more important. Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together. And this mortifying development comes after his biggest U-turn yet, over welfare reform,

the fourth in a month, proving this is a man who might be in office, but he has lost any sense of holding power. So I'm going to take you through all of these shocking revelations from this interview with our incompetent, flailing Prime Minister desperately trying to continue to hide the big secrets in his complicated private life in my digest. Next, then, Connor Tomlinson, Wayson. Also coming up on the show today, calls to ban Muslim schools in the UK go viral after Alex Phillips stuns the British Bashing Corporation. Is the Overton window shifting in real time? The GB News Civil War over Eamonn Holmes bubbles over with his breakfast co-presenter Stephen Dixon accused of leaking to the Daily Mail to try and see him forced out of the

show in favour of Richard Madeley and the two most famous women in Scotland. JK Rowling and Lorraine Kelly go head to head over the issue of women's rights with Boy George proving the catalyst for this astonishing showdown. Then in the uncancelled aftershow on Substack, the American A-list gathers in Venice for the wedding of Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez, while Prince Harry and Meghan Markle see that home in Montecito having not been invited. Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin, the Duke's Paragrapha is going to reveal all you can sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Now because it's a Friday at

the end of the show we're also going to be revealing the worst Britain in the world this week. You'll remember this is when we take your Union Jackass choices from Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, they all go head to head. You can vote right now in our special poll in the posts or community tab on YouTube. But here's a reminder of who's up for the award that no one wants, Stephen Fry.

He was Monday's Union jackass because he just went for JK Rowling, didn't he? Tuesday. Whom's a useless because he lied. Did you see that? He lied in his social media video about all of these things that he claimed Islam had done. Wednesday. Will Shoo. He's the chief executive of Deliveroo and that is because that company continues to use illegals to do their dirty work and Thursday Narenda Kerr for that hilarious take down on the Jeremy Vine show proving that she lied about only having Italian food available in Italy So get voting they have four really good choices, right?

I'll reveal your best comments and the winner of the worst Britain in the world this week at the end of the show. So do stay with us, but now let's go. Okay, so let this sink in for just a moment. Our Prime Minister, Slippery Stama, has been having a devastating breakdown as his secrets haunt him, as his complicated marriage crumbles, but today he's decided

to make his mental health struggles public. And he's done that at a time when his authority has been smashed forever following a mortifying post-midnight U-turn on welfare reform, the 4th major 180, in a matter of weeks. Not surprisingly, it's these Ukrainian Grinder firebombers playing on his mind the most. He says the trauma over that incident he says the trauma over that incident is why he made his famous island of strangers speech which he claims he now deeply regrets. Now in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that, these rules become even more important. Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together. So that man is a mess. He's actually just a husk of a human being because he believes nothing.

He will say anything that is put on his autocue by his advisors. And our failing United Kingdom desperately deserves and needs better. So look, I'm going to take you through this interview. It's from this weekend's Observer newspaper. It is headlined the private trials of Keir Starmer and written by his biographer Tom Baldwin. Now I think this is the sort of interview we should be reading years and years after this complete failure of a Prime Minister has left office because from start to finish he effectively admits getting it all wrong in his first year in office. So he starts, it was more that the damage left behind by the last government was genuinely worse than I had imagined. We had to do a lot of tough stuff early.

Even so, Starmer recognises that people had also expected more than just tough stuff from a new government. He accepts his gloomy speech in the Downing Street Garden last summer where he warned things will get worse before they get better was a mistake. It squeezed the hope out, he said. We were so determined to show how bad it was that we forgot people wanted something to look forward to as well. Yet even before his government was 100 days old, the woman, this is talking about Sue Gray, who had supposed to make it all work, was removed and replaced by the Labour election strategist Morgan McSweeney. Stammer insists

he never fell out with Gray and is clearly reluctant to reopen it all now. Not everyone thought it was a good idea when I appointed him, he says, with some ice in his voice, it was my call, my judgement, my decision, and I got that wrong. Sue wasn't the right person for this job. Then we move on to the Lord Ali scandal, and Baldwin writes, yet what really got under his skin was not that his own integrity had been questioned, but that sections of the media had started calling his wife Lady Victoria Sponger because she had received about £5,000 worth of clothes. Looking back now, he admits part of the problem is that I got emotionally involved. One thing I'm reasonably good at, usually, is staying calm, but when they dragged Vic into it through no fault of her own, that made

me angry. And that's fascinating, right? Because what he's saying here is that it's all our fault. It's our fault that everyone's talking about his crisis-ridden marriage, which is of course completely ridiculous. You are the one who turned her into a political football. You are the one who made her pose with you at the Taylor Swift concert and you are the one who forced her to take all of that designer clothing from Lord Ali. Then we move to the Ukrainian fire bomber, the Grindr fire bomber breakdown. The article says Kentish town May. In the small hours of 12th of May this year there was a firebomb attack on the Stammer family home in Kentish town. His sister-in-law,

who had been renting the house since he became Prime Minister, was upstairs with her partner when the front door was set alight. She happened to still be awake, Stammer says. So she heard the noise and got the fire brigade, but it could have been a different story. And if those responsible for the Austin attack probably didn't realise how important Stama's front door was to how he viewed the world, setting it on fire had an immediate effect on politics. The Prime Minister who had arrived back from a three-day trip to Ukraine the night before was due to unveil the government's new immigration policy that morning. It's fair to say I wasn't in the best state to make a big speech, he says. I was really, really worried. I almost said I won't do the bloody press conference.

Vic was really shaken up, as in truth was I. It was just a case of reading the words out and getting through it somehow. His voice trails off, so I could get back to them. The Prime Minister's words included a long section on the importance of having fair rules that give shape to our values and hold diverse nations such as Britain together. But then he went on to warn that without such rules we risk becoming an island of strangers. To many ears that sounded a lot like Enoch Palson from his River of Blood speech half a century earlier when he said Britain's white population would be strangers in their own country.

Blef denounced his speech as shameful and Warm Stamford was just dancing to the populist Reform UK party's tune. Stammer insists that none of that is true, the speech was simply a mistake. I wouldn't have used those words if I had known they were or even would be interpreted as an echo of Powell, he says. I had no idea and my speech writers didn't either. But that particular phrase, no, it wasn't right. I'll give you the honest truth. I deeply regret using it. So what you've seen there is Stammer has washed his hands of that speech. Not my fault, Gov. I had the grind of firebombers. I was

breaking down over that and I just read what was on the auto queue in front of me. I repeat, a husk of a man, a failed prime minister. Someone else is pulling this dude's strings. Anyway, Tom Baldwin goes on, emphasizing he is not using the firebomb attack as an excuse and doesn't blame his advisors or anyone else except himself for these mistakes. Stama says he should have read through the speech properly and held it up to the light a bit more. Yes you should have you incompetent fool. You don't go and read an important speech like that not knowing the words. I just it's nuts. Anyway Tom Baldwin finishes this article by saying we finished talking and time for him to get

his flat ready for a family dinner and Starmer walks me to Downing Street's front door. But it's not quite the end of this conversation. An hour or so later he sends a text saying he thinks the firebomb attack on his home was another incident in his life when the public and private come into sharp tension. For someone who claims he doesn't do self analysis, that's pretty insightful. And in the end, this sharp division between his public role and private self is not only about protecting his family, I suspect the tension in him is also the source of the relentless, often ruthless drive and determination that most people do not see.

Breakdown. Complete breakdown. This is a mess of a man. He's running the country. He doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't know what he's doing because he's more concerned about these people who are firebombing his house for God knows what reason. But even Stammer's allies know what a disaster this interview is because the bloke has just admitted his breakdown means he wasn't doing his job. There's a lot of information as well in this interview. I'm not going to get into it. It's very personal about the death of his brother. And again, very odd that someone who claims that he doesn't like putting his private life out there but is now using the death of his brother to explain why he's been such a terrible Prime Minister. But as I say, even

the lefty journalists know that this is a disaster. Alex Wickham wrote remarkable Keir Starmer interview in which he appears to admit he got much of his first year in office wrong. Dan Hodges. Incredible. Keir Starmer to Tom Bouldwood on his Island of Strangers comment. I'll give you the honest truth, I deeply regret using it. Like I said, he really is just a mouthpiece. This is staggering. It's the stuff you get from a former prime minister when they've been out of office for a few years and are promoting their autobiography. What is he thinking? The Sun's political editor, and remember The Sun endorsed Stammer to be PM just a year ago, summarized, this is the fourth U-turn climb down in a matter of weeks, winter fuel,

grooming inquiry, welfare reforms and Island of Strangers comments. On the right, you can imagine, no one's holding back, and why should they? William Atkinson wrote, this is a dead government. It is extinct. It has expired. It has ceased to be. It has no motivating force. It is capable of nothing. And it still has four years left to run. Things can only get worse. And the next Tory leader Robert Jenrick added, Keir Starmer's authority is collapsing, he's in office, but increasingly not in power. Even before the Observer interview, Alastair Heath had written Starmer's political obituary, saying in the Daily Telegraph, don't believe the denials.

The hubristic promises to fight on, the chest thumping from deep down in the number 10 bunker, it's all over, forseer Keir Starmer, a hollow husk of a Prime Minister, stripped of his last vestiges of authority and credibility. His final doomed showdown with his MPs over his plan to trim in capacity benefits will only expose his impotence and lack of strategic nows. His premiership, not even a year old, is already on borrowed time. He will have to surrender again or suffer total humiliation. He is now beholden to Labour MPs and survives only on their say-so. There are, for the first time, whispers that he could be ousted as early as after the May local elections.

I'm not so sure. I suspect that Rachel Reeves, his beleaguered Chancellor, is likely to be sacrificed first. Today's front pages make horrifying reading from across the spectrum right after his early morning U-turn which will launch a two-tier welfare system and by the way cost us £1.5 billion that we simply do not have. So Hodges put it this way, writing, if you have MS in Parkinson's today, the government will support you to wash yourself and cook for yourself, but if you're diagnosed with it from 2026, the government view is go to Helen Fen for yourself. This is what Keir Starmer thinks is fair and moral. It's bonkers whereas Alison Pearson sums it up like this

An out-of-control welfare bill will bankrupt the country causing vast hardship We can't go on spending such sums. It's madness Over 50,000 get pip for ADHD. Pivers for people who need help going to the toilet And of course, let's not forget the MSM amidst all of this, the MSM now privately threatening to finally drop the bombshells they've been sitting on for months about Slippery Stama's big secret. We've both been in the game a long time. You know the rules.

If you can't stand it up completely, you can't run the story. So we have a name as through the mail and the telegraph. We have a birth certificate, and people have been looking into it. People have been journalists have contacted the family. So it's in play and a lot of people do know it, but we have not been able to substantiate it to the degree that you need to publish. Okay, so to clarify, would you say that this story is about the shape of Keir Starmer's family? Yes. Yeah, that's a very good way of phrasing it.

Oh, and by the way, Stama, your deputy Prime Minister Angela Reina hates your guts, despises you so much, and is no longer even trying to hide the fact that she wants your job. Just a final one. I'm leaving the country for a few years, having spent 20 years covering wants your job. female leaders, well I'm sure there'll be female leaders. We haven't had a female Labour leader. Well, we haven't had a female Labour leader, but there's more than one way of leading. You don't have to be the top jobs to lead things. Are you basically leading? Is that what you're trying to tell us here? I'm saying that actually when you're in government you're part of a team and that people play to their strengths and therefore there's no, you know, we don't have a presidential system here in the UK.

You think Keir Starmer's not in charge? He is in charge, of course he's the Prime Minister, but he plays a role as alongside, I'm sure he would say, the rest of the pitch and the rest of the team. Resign, slippery starmer. It is over. And if you expect any sympathy, by the way, with this new interview, while Lucy Connolly remains rotting behind bars for a post on X, then you've got another thing coming. Now Conor Thompson is here.

Conor, this is utterly extraordinary stuff, isn't it? A Prime Minister admitting he didn't even properly read the most consequential speech of his premiership and has now completely rolled it back because he was suffering some type of breakdown. Well, Dan, as we know by the nickname Slippery Starmer, we shouldn't trust a single word he says. And so here's my conspiratorial reading of all this from a little bit that I've heard from some people that, let's say, feed back some words from the Labour camp, especially Blue Labour, who are very discontented with Starmouth's performance recently. I think it's very telling that he went to Tom Baldwin with his information. I think he wants to air specific grievances to the public, and I think it's because he

wants to lay the blame all on Morgan McSweeney because he is probably the most notable figure from number 10 Downing Street. He's also the least out in step with the Civil Service and Keir Starmer is nothing if not the Civil Service in a badly fitting suit. He's had a lot of friction with the Civil Service since coming in. Dominic Cummings whose clips you've been playing this week on Your Show Dan in recent interviews has described the fact that Keir Starmer appointed Sue Gray as being a disaster plan because it immolated on first contact with the Westminster blob. And the Westminster blob, by the way, has grown up, this sort of thicket of permanent civil servants and the deep state bureaucracy,

has grown up because of the constitutional changes that Blair and Brown have put down. And as we know, Blair and Brown have been in Keir Starmer's corner for a very long time, giving him advice, laying out his own constitutional reform plans in the Labour Manifesto, and so he can't really annoy them by attacking their settlement in order to get the Civil Service out of the way. So what he wants to do is reduce the amount of friction that he currently has with the Civil Service, and Morgan McSweeney, who helped write the Island of Strangers speech, who has been the vanguard of calling for fiscal restraint within number 10 with the personal independence payments, he is the person who is easiest to blame, scapegoat and sacrifice for Keir Starmer's

record unpopularity. What Keir Starmer doesn't understand is he is a marked man and that now Wes Streing isn't the only Brutus in waiting in his party because Angela Rayner's been having meetings with Blair and she was formerly a free-floating asset, but Blair himself is clearly understanding that Keir Starmer was a bad investment and he's got to line up a successor. Will Barron Well yeah, and by the way, Connor, not just Blair, the sort of bloke who thinks he is King, but the actual King, King Charles. Very much supportive of Angela Rayner, and from what I'm told, annoyed with Starmer, and thinks that Rayner would have a good shot. So, you know, he's finished. I mean, look,

the reality is, okay, this might take two years. It might take two years, but he's finished, because he's completely at the best of his hard left MPs. Mason- Yeah, it surprised me, Dan, that Angela Reyna and King Charles are getting along. I mean, me Dan, that Angela Rayner and King Charles are getting along. I mean, Keir Starmer did call himself the first atheist prime minister, so he set himself against King Charles's insistence on interfaith dialogue, whereas Angela Rayner is currently building a Islamophobia blasphemy board and has brought on Khari Asim, who is the the imam of Alid's mosque and a trustee of hope not hate, but also a friend of King Charles. He was recently given an audience with King Charles to foster interfaith dialogue between Muslims and Jews and he's now sitting on said Islamophobia blasphemy board. But as you mentioned,

the MPs have really got their knives out for Stammer and I spotted a piece that few people have been talking about that was out today in Politics Home and they've been speaking to a number of anonymous Labour MPs who rebelled against the personal independence payments changes and they've been saying, I blame number 10 and the front bench. Now what they mean by that is Rachel Reeves, Keir Starmer and of course Morgan McSweeney and in here it talks about, and I'll quote, rumours abound of changes beyond concessions to the bill from Pat McFadden or Yvette Cooper as the new Chancellor

by the end of the year to a new role for Chief of Staff Morgan McSweeney in Labour HQ. Some certainly blame staff, there is talk of regime change and one aide noted that the SPAD list should be published soon allowing people to look under the bonnet of all the different teams when reflecting which politicians have done well over the last year. So what they're clearly doing is blaming the few civil servants that Keir Starmer can control, which is basically number 10 staff, especially because they are a bit more politically ruthless and less in lockstep with the civil service. They're urging Keir Starmer to push them out because they're making a lot of noise within the Westminster bubble and shaping his perceptions thinking he's going to save his

political skin. Meanwhile, Labour forces are scheming with members at the front bench to make them the successor because there's clearly, as you've mentioned before Dan, a lot of personal dirt on Keir Starmer that has yet to come out and it will be even more damaging than calling half or more of the country far right during a national crisis. So you're right, he hasn't got very long left. I just worry about who's going to follow on his coattails. Oh, but of course. I mean, that is a huge concern. But I also don't think that anyone should be trying to save Slippery Starmer. I think what you point out, though, Connor, is completely right. He will have to sacrifice everyone. So yes, he will sacrifice his closest advisor, Morgan McSweeney. And yes, he will sacrifice sacrifice his Chancellor Rachel Reeves. Rachel from accounts. But all

he's doing is buying time. All he's doing is buying a very small bit of time because it is over. Developing today did Alex Phillips just move the Overton window in real time after her appearance on the British Bashing Corporation calling for Muslim schools in the United Kingdom to be banned. dropping truth bombs all over the BBC that Alex woman and her former colleague Colin Brazier of GB News posting look at the disdainful and withering reaction of the other guests when Alex Phillips offers a view they consider wildly heretical shifting the overton window takes some broadcasting bravery. Alex has it in spades. Now we're going to get analysis on exactly what happened during politics live with Conor Tomlinson shortly. But in case you missed it, here was the Alex Phillips moment that went viral.

And you've got similar policies being adopted in Sweden. These are sort of proposals that are now being looked into across Europe because we've realised what's happened with levels of immigration and lack of integration is creating social disquiet and disharmony to the point in which people are even starting to use words such as civil war for crying out loud. Now I think there is nothing wrong with defending your national cultural mores, your communal morality, and I think that that's what we need to be doing. I fully agree we need to ban the full face covering, which they've done in Denmark. I think that is absolutely right. I think that is a barrier for integration if you're not making eye contact. English

language is vitally important. I think we need to look at the amount of translation services we offer. I personally would go as far as getting rid of faith schools that are not Catholic or C of E, which tend to allow children from other faiths to come in. Because I don't think taking children away and educating them, primarily in their own cultural context, is healthy. And I personally would also go as far

as banning the slaughter of animals that haven't been pre-stunned. And I'd say to anybody who says, well, we don't like that and we demand exceptions because of what we want within our system. This is our country. We believe in animal welfare. We don't believe that women should be shamed for exposing their faces. And we believe little children should all play in a sandpit together. Simple. It is. Now you can imagine, you can imagine the horror from the usual suspect BBC guest watch.

I'm going to have to react to the piece that we just saw from Simon Reeves because we're talking about forced evictions there and that's the comparison that we are discussing today. This is really bad stuff for us to be talking about in Europe. We've been here before. And when I came in, what I wanted to talk about actually was the fact that in Denmark they are prepared, they're quite resigned to paying 44, 46% of their income on taxation. We only spend 34% here, so that in Denmark of course there is much more money within the public services to try and integrate into communities. But what we're hearing, and we're hearing it today from Alex, is this rhetoric

of division. Of course we must find a way to bring our communities together. So how do you do that? We're talking about a civil war. No, I say other people have started saying that and that's alarming. Rhetoric of division. I'm talking about making sure people are brought together and not divided. You came on television and you used that term. No, it's very clear. She said other people had been saying it.

Other people had reached the point that there's a warning of that. There is a tactic of raising things and then countering it and that sort of term. But this language that we're using... Do you think that there aren't divisions? Do you think that anything does need to be done or you don't think that... I think when we were talking about schools just now you could equally apply that and it'll be interesting next year with reforms policies about Welsh medium schools in Wales, quite frankly.

Conor Tomlinson, what did you make of that exchange? Oh, it's totally tiresome. I mean, no, first of all, we haven't been here before. Not literally every situation we've ever been in is 1930s Germany. And by the way, I don't remember during 1930s Germany, German Jews marching down the streets shouting from the Rhine to the Channel, Germany will be three in Yiddish. So I think there might be a marked difference between the growth of which kinds of religious and ethnic sectarian populations we've got cropping up in the UK. But yes, Alex is absolutely

right. We shouldn't be tolerating any other faith schools than Christian in this country. If parents don't like that, there are plenty of other countries around the world with different faiths that will cater to their preferences. We should not be subsidising sectarian ethnic enclaves that do not work springing up in our country. 33% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi adults have never worked in their lives. That's not a positive thing. We shouldn't be permitting face coverings, niqabs, burkas and hijabs, we're not for the grounds of public safety, but simply because that's not how we do things in this country. All of Muslim head coverings are premised on the idea that if a woman dresses immodestly by showing a bit of flesh or her

hair then she is inviting sexually assault against her because the man has no responsibility to constrain his appetites. Sorry, that's not how we do things in this country. We have an individualistic morality. We think men and women are capable of equal moral dignity and so we don't force our women to dress head to toe in bin bags during the sweltering summer. And we should assert all of these things as being our cultural preference and the fact that we want to conserve our Christian heritage and our state religion. We are not a secular country and the Christian faith undergirds as a moral substrate all of the laws, customs and culture in this country that we believe, quite rightly, makes us high trust, spontaneously organized and much better than everywhere else.

So yes, that should be supreme, that should be asserted and those that don't like it should be encouraged to go elsewhere. And what I do like about the conversation that has been had is that the more that these deranged folk on the left throw these terms around like racist and Islamophobic and far right, actually I think the more they help shift the Overton window too. And what's really interested me this week, Connor, and I'm very keen to get your take on this, is Chris Philp, who I always viewed as like a little bit of a Tory wet, really, like certainly nothing particularly to write home about. But he's seen the success that Robert Jenrick has been having by actually going out by engaging in true conservatism.

And he's thought, I want a piece of this. So earlier in the week, we showed him confronting illegal Deliveroo drivers at a migrant hotel in London. And now he's gone down to the tent city in London's Park Lane and taking on these total chances too. Watch. So this is Sadiq Khan's responsibility. Yeah, he's responded to it saying it's a migration issue, but we just know that's not the case. I mean, look here, beer bottles just everywhere. It's a bit of a mess, isn't it? It's a party town. Yeah. Okay. Well, should we try and talk to them

and see what's going on? Good afternoon. How are you doing? Hi my name is Chris I'm a member of Parliament here in the UK would you like to learn a bit about like what you're doing here and what's going on? How come you're living here? I'm not speaking English. Yeah I was interested in just finding out what the story is here how come you're living here in tents? Take it easy. Take it easy. How come you're living here in tents? Go! Take it easy. Take it easy. Go!

Whereabouts are you from originally? Romania. Romania. Romania. And do you travel, and Bulgaria. And do you travel back and forward or stay here? Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go I'm sick, Corona is all. Go this, go this. And do you have a job, do you work? No more.

You shouldn't be staying here, should you? No food, no food. Are some of the people here involved in begging or do they work? You said you were looking for a job. Why have you been drinking beers? If I'm looking for a job, I'm putting the effort into that. No, no, no. That's where my priority would be, would be food and looking after people.

If people are drinking one beer, one move. Where are you getting the money for the beer then? You are suggesting it's racist for asking questions? Racist, racist, no respect. It's not racist to ask questions. You would prefer it if people didn't know what you're up to. No respect to racist. It's not racist to ask questions.

Because we've got pictures of you gambling, because we've got pictures of you drinking, because we've got pictures of you begging. It's not racist. Because we've got pictures of you gambling, because we've got pictures of you drinking, because we've got pictures of you begging. It's not racist. Don't put your hands on me. So that's Chris Phil, that guy there, not the one with the beard, in case you don't know, a lot of people won't know, the conservative shadow Home Secretary. But Connor, what interests me about what he's doing, I mean, this is the type of stuff that Tommy Robinson was being accused of being far right or thrust out of polite

society a few years ago and it's become mainstream. So does this show that there is some type of shifting of the Overton window? Yeah, because all of the incentives are, let's say, on our side, Dan, the side of showing that there are just like, orc bandit encampments now establishing themselves on Park Lane Green and then having the audacity to shriek at members of parliament that they are racist. Bear in mind, the only bit of English that he learned was disrespectful and racist, because they understand in this country the word racist acts as a kind of magic spell that allows anyone a darker shade of milk to escape from the consequences of their actions. Now, the reason Chris is doing this is twofold.

Number one, because of course he wants to raise his profile as a member of the Shadow Cabinet when Kemmy Bednock is inevitably ejected and either cling on to his high-profile Shadow Cabinet seat as Shadow Home Secretary or because he wants to mount a leadership challenge. Yeah, he's gonna run, isn't he? He's gonna run against Jim Crow. He's not gonna get anywhere, frankly, because he voted for the assisted dying bill. And so that's going to scupper his chances because that's going to be a black stain on anyone's record. And look, I appreciate what Chris is doing. I think he's doing a very good job of the dispatch box. I like his exposés, but it's not going to go anywhere. But the second the second point about this is that the consequences of mass immigration, multicultural appeasement strategies, and general social liberalism that allows vagrants to take drugs, drink and open and sleep on the streets or in the middle of parks. It's so deleterious and obvious now that anyone with eyes and a camera phone can see it, can expose it, and so it gets a lot more attention. And so there's becoming kind of cascade effect.

And the best example of this cascade effect, if I may, there was an event in Westminster on Monday hosted by the Roger Scruter Legacy Foundation. And I went and some of our mutuals went down. And there was a panel at the end of the event where there was a historian Robert Toon, so it was Danny Kruger, the MP, our good friend Rupert Lowe, and Bosch Tom Skinner on the panel. And they were asked by three people, one including Carl Benjamin, but also two Zoomers that will remain unnamed,

what happens when multiculturalism pushes us to an existential tipping point where our differences are irreconcilable? See the chaps sleeping in the open screaming racist there. What happens when democracy is hijacked by sectarian Islamists? And why should we be concerned about demographic change if anyone can identify as English just by being here

or signing up to a set of platitudes. And Danny Kruger avoided the question like the plague and Robert Toomes said, the historian Robert Toomes, said, being English has nothing to do with ancestry, you can learn it, and isn't it great to see girls in headscarves reciting Kipling at the Michaela School, we should clone Catherine Burblesing. And this is the ultimate issue. This is the intractable problem that these people will be confronted with because they don't have a good answer on integration, on culture, on identity. But what Danny Krueger did know is the round of applause that all of those questions got. And it shows politicians, academics, the likes of

Chris Philp, that actually public opinion has moved against them and they've now got to race up to keep up with the public. So it's encouraging that he is doing these sorts of things and I think more people need to be calling this out. Well yes, and this is what then brings me on to Reform UK, Connor, and the shift in a very different direction of Nigel Farage. And for me this week, it was summed up by this picture that Kamila Tomane, his GB News colleague, posted of Nigel at the US Ambassador's party this week, coming along with Peter

Mandelson of all people and Stephen Wolf posted on this, this Farage laughing like a hyena with Mandelson. I don't know which party this is, but two things. One Faraj has always wanted to be part of the elite. He wants acceptance. Two, he hobnobs and enjoys the company of the Mandelsons of this world. Three, maybe that's why people call him an establishment plant to suppress uprising parties. Now I don't think he's a plant, but I do think that Nigel is hiding his true feelings about a lot of issues because he has been told that he can't be seen as someone on the right if he wants to enter Downing Street. And

one video that went viral this week was Nigel Farage in 2022. So this is when I was a colleague of his at GB News. This is the Nigel that I know, talking about the concern that the UK's biggest cities, including London and Birmingham, had become minority white. Now, this is something that you know, Conor, because we've spoken about it in the past. Farage says it's now not a concern at all, like we shouldn't even worry about demographic change. But this was Farage in 2022. The Office of National Statistics figures are out today showing that London, Birmingham and Manchester are all now minority white cities. Massive, massive demographic change changes taking place in our country. More

significantly for the country as a whole, it shows that only 46% now identify as Christians. So there is a massive change in the identity of this country that is taking place through immigration. You may think it's a good thing, you may think it's a bad thing, but here's the real point of this. The ONS now say in future they will not ask of the nationality or birthplace of those taking part in this census. One in six in England and Wales already born outside the UK. In future they want to hide the true figures from you. That's the real standout from these numbers today.

It's a scandal. Now I'm seeing that video World by Wolf posted on X. What happened to this version of Nigel Farage? Only three years ago he was highlighting the ethnic cleansing of the English from our major cities. Now he either refuses to discuss it or says it's not a major concern of his. Clearly someone has told him this is an issue to avoid. What's going on here, Connor Tomlinson? Why has Nigel Farage backed away from these issues? So I think it's twofold. First, we know some of the people that have given Farage bad advice. I mean, Zia Youssef thinks, as does Majid Nawaz, that reform can win over large swathes of, let's say, more Dubai than Pakistani Muslims that live in Britain, that are sort of businessmen and

who don't read the Quran as closely. However, as the likes of Rikhi Bassan, who himself is, I think he's Bengali background, apologies if I've got that wrong, who comes from a Muslim family, has said, look, if there there's a Muslim party they're going to vote for Muslims. So this is entirely delusional but of course Zia Youssef is a professional flatterer, look at his firm Velocity Black, he's kind of acting like a Jaffar figure to Nigel Farage and has made himself indispensable to reform despite being an all-round negative influence. And then you've got Chris Bruni-Lowe on the inside who basically scuppered Nigel's South Fanet bid back in 2015 and has yet been rehired to do the polling inside the party and as far as Brexit loyalists have

told me his polling strategies are inferior to that that the Brexit team used to sample immigration as the main issue and so he's come up a cropper and said oh well people aren't actually that bothered about immigration they're more bothered about kitchen table issues like the cost of living and net zero, which is why you're hearing net zero is going to be the next Brexit rather than immigration and Islam. And so Nigel's taken that advice and run with it and tried to make inroads with Lib Dem and Labour voters. I think it's a total mistake. And I think it's also a mistake because as I mentioned at events like this, the younger generation especially, but also the more people that use X and Facebook

and switch off from mainstream to alternative media are becoming aware that they have been gate-kept away from certain narratives, that certain talking points are just so riddled with holes that they don't stand up to scrutiny. And so the electorate is moving out further on issues like mass deportations or questions of identity and culture. And like this week Connor, I saw Nigel say on his GB News show, oh, I think law and order is now the big issue, right? So not nut and zero, but law and order. But you cannot separate out law and order from demographic change and from mass deportations. The issue is one and the same.

Yeah, exactly. And this actually brings me on to a piece that's just come out today in The Critic by me, Dan, off the back of this argument that Toomes and Kruger had at this event. And it's that lots of conservatives who want to cement, and I say small c conservatives because I'd count Nigel Farage here in this, want to cement the sort of multicultural, multi-ethnic settlement in Britain, turn to like the Michaela School as the example of how the state should be run. Basically, like the government should turn into a strict headmistress that forces us all to abide by the same bland monoculture, walk silently in the corridors and all eat vegetarian so we can sit together.

So it enforces a sort of bland, platitudinous rendition of British identity on the host culture as well as imported tribal minorities to make multiculturalism work. And I think this is what Farage is basically falling into here because he's saying we just need tougher law and order. We just need to ban face coverings. We just need to enforce silence on phones. This is what the Lib Dems have turned around and said. We just need to stop and search everyone. It's like, no, actually, before mass immigration, before multiculturalism, before we imported peoples and cultures that do not have a value for life outside their family and clan, we didn't need to do any of this. But we had policing by consent.

We had a spontaneous order. It was very high trust. And that became the enabling condition for the peace and prosperity that British markets and British culture always had. It flows down from how British people themselves naturally live. So stop appeasing and accommodating foreign culture, stop importing it, stop bending over backwards for it, stop trying to say that if we alienate Islam we will lose and instead just enforce our culture as Alex has suggested and those who want

to stay here, those who want to belong to our tribe and defer to the hosts are welcome and that's going to be a vanishingly few number, I'm afraid, but it will be welcome and all of those who don't like it, tough leave. Breaking right now, a major war has broken out behind the scenes of GB News with a leak to the Daily Mail claiming that Eamonn Holmes is on his way out at the station after being booed at this week's Trick Awards, suggesting that the Good Morning Britain presenter Richard Madeley is being drafted to replace him on the Breakfast Show. Now I know the inside story behind what's really going on here. And let me tell you, there's one person behind this

and his name is Steven Dixon, the other presenter of GB News Breakfast who does not like Eamonn Holmes and wants his job. And I think what's going on here is pretty damn vile. So you know I'm always going to give you the true story but let me tell you how the MSM is tackling this story first. Here's the headline in the mail. War broke out at GB News as furious staff plot to oust Eamonn Holmes. Insiders tell Katie Hine the presenter is utterly despised by colleagues and revealed the moment he pushed them over the edge. That moment happened at the

Trick Awards this week when Eamonn Holmes took the stage after GB News Breakfast won the Best News Program award and he was booed by the woke topians in the audience watch. I just want to say thank you to everybody. Say thank you to everybody out there. Everybody there, I'm there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Now when those absolute TV industry assholes, the champagne swilling losers who think that Susanna Reid and Ed Balls are the answer to everything on Good Morning Britain, start booing your colleague, you should stand by him. But what these absolute cretins at GB News, including Steven Dickson have done, have instead used that moment to leak to the Daily Mail and try and get Eamonn Holmes forced out of his job. This is one of the dirtiest things I have seen in the entertainment industry for so long and I think it's just utterly vile. So let me take you through the story. The Daily Mail reports,

Eamonn's colleagues at the news channel are furious at him for taking the glory for the win. The rest of the breakfast team take umbrage at the fact that for taking the glory for the win. The rest of the Breakfast team take umbrage at the fact that despite hosting the show for only three days of the week, Stephen Dickson, oh wonder why he's mentioned here, presents the other four, it was only Eamonn who spoke, insiders tell me. The growing discontent also comes amid accusations of a blokey culture at GB News Breakfast after host Ellie Costello also missed out on speaking at the awards despite being the co-host of the weekday episode. Now, can I just say something about this right? Let's be very clear, Ellie Costello, wonderful woman, really really nice

woman. Steven Dixon, really awful guy, awful guy, just ask Liz Gershaw about the way that Steven Dickson has treated her. But you are unknowns. Steven Dickson had a career as a minor presenter on Sly News. Eamonn Holmes is a broadcasting legend coming to the end of his career. He's on that stage in a wheelchair. If he wants to give the speech,

let him give the damn speech. The Daily Mail article goes on, Nor was there any sign of Breakfast Television veteran Anne Diamond who snubbed the ceremony on Wednesday all together despite being the show's weekend co-host. Insiders tell me it was all about Eamonn again. Winners had a limited amount of time to talk before Dan Walker took their microphone away and Eamonn kept talking until that moment came. The article goes on. Steven hosts more days than Eamonn yet there was absolutely no regard for him or Ellie

or Ann. It was me me me as far as Eamonn was concerned. Others felt that they didn't get any credit. There are a lot of people who put a lot of work in, not that you would have known it. It made people's blood boil. You wonder what would have happened if Anne had been there. She's been around as long as Eamon and is also a TV legend. It is understood that Eamon earns more than any of his fellow hosts on The Breakfast Show due to the long career in daytime television. Some sources suggest his yearly salary is over £300,000. But I'm told there are moves afoot at GB News to dethrone Eamon. Some people at GB News utterly despise him, they feel

he is dead wood, he might be loved by the viewers, but it is a different story in some quarters behind the scenes. While Eamon is still looked upon fondly by GB News bosses, insiders tell me some have been looking forward with particular interest at ITV's This Morning host Richard Maybe, it's actually Good Morning Britain Daily Mail so let me correct that for you, and we're excited after ITV announced a shake-up of its daytime television which sees a number of its hosts at risk of redundancy. And then you've got to laugh at this. Another option would be for Steven Dixon to take over Eamonn's weekday shifts, but as

one insider points out, Eamonn is a survivor he has withered many a storm during his long long career. Don't write him off yet. So can I just say, can I just be very clear, Steven Dixon, we know the game you are playing. We know the game you're playing. We know the game you're playing. We know that you've already forced Liz Kershaw out of GB News, and now you're trying to do the same to Eamonn Holmes, a bloke who is currently wheelchair bound.

This is particularly grim. And can I just be totally honest about it? No one watches GB News for Steven Dixon. He's a lefty. He doesn't represent the GB News audience at all. But for me, what I'm angry about here is the fact that he is using the fact that Eamonn was booed on stage to try and get the Daily Mail to run this campaign to get Eamonn off. And by the way, Steven Dixon was campaigning to take Eamonn's job when I was at GB News.

Everyone knows what you're doing, mate. Everyone knows that you're a really horrible guy who just puts on this face when you're on screen. And in this case, I would argue just leave Eamonn the hell alone. You're doing four days, he's doing three days, leave him alone. Conor Tomlinson, I thought it was really grim, the fact that GB News didn't just put their arms around Eamonn when he was booed on stage, because do you remember a couple of years back, I was there that year,

Nigel Farage won the Best Presenter award and everyone booed Farage as well. So they're not booing Eam as well. So they're not booing Eamonn Holmes specifically, they're just booing GB News. And this is why, by the way, and this is a whole other issue, this is why GB News is so ludicrous to even care about these ridiculous trick awards, which are totally meaningless, a big stitch up in the entertainment industry, and effectively run by all of the people who hate you. It's like GB News is so determined to be part of the RTS and the BAFTA and everything. It's like why? Like you don't want to be part of this vile, awful group of people who hate everything you're about. But putting that to one side, this campaign in the Daily Mail

after Raymond Holmes was booed on stage to try and get him booted from his job just feels pretty grim, doesn't it? Yeah, well on the point of being booed at these awards, I mean if I wanted if I wanted applause from the sort of people that didn't report on the grooming gang scandal that have called everyone who's been concerned about immigration racist for decades and largely many people who supported the Iraq war, presumably then I'd question as to whether or not I was doing something right. I wouldn't want their applause. Booze are a badge of honour. Also I will say for Eamon, one it's good that he was able to be on stage given his bout with illness that he's struggled with very publicly on air but also I think

he did the right thing as well by congratulating Charlie Peters who also won an award for his service to journalism because he was reporting on the grooming gang scandal and has affected massive political change in the last couple of years. So I think he handled it very well. As far as leaking and backbiting, again, both men have always been polite to me when I've been on GB News, though conspicuously absent recently. I wonder why. Anyway, point being, I don't wish to engage in any backbiting

if it has gone on. The one thing I will say is that this crabs in a bucket mentality doesn't shock me for either broadcasting or politics. I was very fortunate when I was working with my colleagues at Lotus Eaters, that at least with all of the presenters, the fact that we got along on air was accurate and nobody was trying to stick a blade in one another's backs to get more air time. And I think that's why alternative media is actually doing a hell of a lot better than broadcast media, even GB. I know GB have got some solid ratings on certain shows, but they're struggling to stay afloat because the models are really expensive and they're beholden to Ofcom, who as you always point out Dan, are communists. And I think that the incentives are so perverse that often it causes people to betray their principles

and try and clamble over one another for promotions. Whereas in a genuine sort of, let's say democratized, but market driven, dispersed alternative media environment, if you don't like what one of your colleagues is doing, if you don't like what is happening at one of your organizations, then you just go independent or you'll start up something new.

And I think I would encourage anyone who's trying to axe Eamonn-Holmans in the back if that's happening to maybe go it solo and see how the market treats you then. Oh absolutely I couldn't agree more and it's definitely happening and the thing is there are a lot of people who will say will say, well, Dan, you know, why, why, why are you even wanting to go there on this? And I'll tell you why. Because you do not have to act this way when you have the privilege of hosting a show on terrestrial television like GB News. And I think virtually everyone I worked with at GB News all of those years would vouch for the fact that I was all about championing talent and bringing in new talent and really encouraging new talent to get jobs and to you know, I mean, everyone from Patrick Christie's to

Mark Dolan to Ben Leo were all, Adam Cherry were all people who I hired. I bought into the station and I put on screen. And look, those were people who actually ended up taking my job. But you have to have the confidence in your own ability to not be constantly trying to pull your other colleagues down. I honestly think it is such an important thing. And it is the opposite of what I see going on at GB News. And it makes me very sad actually,

because to me it's a total fallacy that this station is operating like some type of family when you would treat your grandfather figure in Eamonn Homes like that. Yeah, I think something that's been driving a lot of, let's say principled and intelligent people that I've gotten to know in Westminster over the last few years away from both frontline politics

or involving themselves in traditional broadcast media is the, and I'm not speaking for everyone here because there are still wonderful people at GB News and various political parties, but is the deficit of virtue that is exhibited by people that are often in executive or frontline positions. They, in their personal lives, are not the most upstanding characters. Let's just talk politics for example. Lots of MPs have drink and drug habits and have cheated on their wives, and that's just the vices that we know about. And in TV, it's, well, I'm sorry to swear then, but really, another word, it's quite bitchy. It's like being involved at a teenage girl's lunch table a lot of the time. Politics is the same. Got you.

And there's a hell of a lot of principled people that are just, they get really burned out from it, and they just don't want to have to deal with the drama. Totally. Well, like, I mean, look at these two, Steven Dixon, Liz Kershaw. I actually, I'm not tight with either of them, but I respect Liz Kershaw. She previously had come on my show on GB News. She was really supportive of this dude and really loved him and helped him. And now he's banned her. He's now banned her from being on the show. I mean, come on, that's the definition of bitchy. It is schoolboys, schoolgirl bullying stuff.

And actually, I do think you make a much more important wider point, which is that all of these people should now just be testing themselves in the independent market, because what is currently going on this sort of bubble that exists within the trick awards, right? And I'm not just talking about GB News, I'm talking about Sly News, I'm talking about Wokai TV, even the British Bashing Corporation, which is protected somewhat because of the revolting poll tax that we have to pay. But you are living in a complete false reality. You are living in a totally false

economy. The world has moved on from your bullshit. And we no longer have to consume it anymore. And the fact that ITV Daytime has just had to sack brutally half of its staff should be a big wake up call. And that's the thing. Stephen Stephen Dixon he is just a mainstream media guy through and through you know like from sly news to GB news and it's like people just are sick of all of them and I think the trick awards booing GB news and even though I've been quite critical of GB news in a lot of ways I also think it's totally despicable and it shows the disdain that the TV industry has for ordinary viewers, the fact that they would go up and boo GB News because they're not booing GB News, are they Connor? What they're doing is they're booing the people

who watch GB News. They're booing the politics of GB News. And so I think there's actually a bigger reckoning coming overall for the mainstream media. It's not just on its deathbed anymore. It's actually dying. The process has begun. Yeah, funny money and subsidies and working hand in glove with government, as many of these broadcast stations do because our mutual friend Lewis Braggpool shut off an FOI request finding out the departure for media, culture and sport inserts government approved narratives on far-right extremism or vaccines or climate change into soaps and news broadcast programs. I think it just puts you in this bubble that allows you to deny reality for a duration of time. But then in order to preserve the bubble, you've got to keep denying that the consequences of reality are even impacting on you. And so you actually drive yourself kind of mad.

And I think the people that are most exposed to direct feedback from their audience, are most exposed to living and dying according to whether or not their work is any good, are actually the best people who sometimes get stifled in this system or if they strike out on their own or are given a bit of a wider berth then they rise to the top. Best example of this being you know Charlie Peters and Guy Dampierre with their fantastic Grooming Gangs documentary. Nobody wanted to fund them except for GB News and they were given total autonomy and not much oversight by GB News as a production company because they didn't think it would really go anywhere. Stephen Edgington who's basically just said said, you know, go out to America and make some content for us, has

done some of the most politically consequential interviews. He's basically right-wing Louis Theroux these days. There's lots of Carl Benjamin over at the Lotus Eater starting up his own company and actually cultivating that sort of crop of young talent who can go off and work in different spheres while still remaining friendly with them. He's got that same approach that you did, Dan, when you had your GV News show. All of these people have been cast out from the protective bubble that state subsidies and the state provide, and working with integrity and their virtue and their competence is exemplary compared to that of their vice-driven and inferior peers. Yes, and let's create our own ecosystem. And we've got to do that with the help of you,

our audience, because what none of us have, none of the people who, Connor, has just quite rightfully mentioned as being great folk in the space, none of us have billionaires backing us at all. We do it all thanks to you. And that's what we should be pushing. And of course, when it comes to Connor, you can subscribe to his brilliant show, Tomlinson Talks on YouTube. And when it comes to me on Outspoken, you can sign up to my sub stack at www.outspoken.live. Because the really important thing about sub stack, by the way, is it is not controlled by big tech and it genuinely believes in free speech. You know I wouldn't

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trans kids, sorry, Boy George claims kids are trans if they inform their parents and display different behavior by not acting like a little girl should while branding JK Rowling a muggle. Meanwhile, Lorraine laughs at the idea of single sex spaces. Why does it boil down to toilets? I'm going to show you how JK Rowling has responded to Lorraine. It's tough. She's always tough. She's taking the piss a little bit out of Lorraine's attitude as well. Then we'll get reaction from Connor Tomlinson of Tomlinson Talks. But first, I want to show you this interview between Lorraine Kelly and Boy George because I think it's just so frustrating to hear Lorraine a woman who should be there as a feminist standing up for female rights and yet playing

so dumb on the most important issue of our Times Watch. What I love about you over the years is you've always stood up for people who sometimes don't have a voice for themselves. And as we know, and we've talked about it in this show a lot, people in the trans community have been cranky. It's been very tough for them. And you've actually said, no, this isn't fair. You've been good like that and you've always been good like that. When I was a kid, when I was seven, it was obvious to everyone that I was gay. Obviously, I didn't know what it was.

And parents often know, but they don't say anything, because they think if they don't talk about it, it will go away. Usually with trans kids, it's the kid that informs the adult through different behavior. The little girls are not acting like a little girl should, little boys doing this, that and the other. So usually it's the kid that informs the adults. And this idea that a parent pushes their kid to be trans is so ridiculous.

I mean, I've got friends who've got kids that are trans and it's a nightmare. And they struggle, should I do the right thing? Should I wait till the kid is 18 or 21? All of that stuff is, it's real life stuff, it's not to celebrities bickering on the internet No, cuz I know you know I've had a row with JK Rowling a lot of people have and I mean, you know And they absolutely have I think it's hilarious that you're having having around someone I've never met Yeah, we never will me no no no no

You know in the movie in the, she creates this beautiful magical world. And in real life, she's a muggle. So it's very disappointing to find out that actually, in a way, it's not true. Do you think that we will ever get to a case where I would love to be, where it really, really doesn't matter? I think for most people, it doesn't matter. I know. It matters only whether you're a nice person or a horrible person.

Exactly. And, you know, nobody chooses to be trans or gay. No one chooses to have blue eyes. It just happens, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just, you know, sad that somebody who's so creative... I love the movies. I mean, the movies are brilliant. Yeah, I love the movies.

I bet she's watching now. Morning. Maybe she is. Maybe she is. Get over it. I know. I know. I just find it really, you know, having friends who are trans and who are going through a really tough time. It's just like, let's be fair about stuff. Let's be fair. Let's talk and we can all have our points of view. But at the end of the day, we're all just people blundering through and trying to get on with our lives. But also, no one goes into the loo to hang out. It's a horrible place, smelly, stinky, horrible place. No one goes in there to hang out.

And it always comes down to toilets, doesn't it? It's like, it always comes down to toilets and I don't quite know why. Well, of course it does. And I'll tell you why, Lorraine. And there's a couple of things that both Lorraine and Boy George have got wrong in that conversation. The reason it comes down to toilets is because women have to be protected. Your daughter has to be protected. Your granddaughter has to be protected in the future and unfortunately there are so many cases of men targeting women when single-sex spaces are not available so that's why that is important. Then, and this one really gets me, boy George,

you're completely missing the point. And remember I say this as a fellow gay man, if you had been an effeminate seven year old today, today, not when you were growing up, boy George, as a young gay boy, it is highly likely that there would have been people in your world, in your life, including teachers who were trying to convince your parents that you were not a little gay boy, but that you

were indeed a little girl and that you were trans. And it happens especially for young lesbian females. This isn't something in my head, this is something that has been backed up time and again by shocking statistics. Now, J.K. Rowling did respond to Lorraine, writing, Why does it boil down to toilets? Tee hee hee. It doesn't, Lorraine. It boils down to intact male rapists in female prisons, men using supposedly female-only rape crisis centers, the decimation of women's sports, and the authoritarian attacks on freedom of speech and belief." She said, it is such disingenuous bullshit, prompting Dennis Noel Kavanagh to write, it's a subterfuge, a foot in the toilet stall door,

a way of saying this is silly and trivial, so George himself, a gender non-conforming bloke, can say without any criticism that gender non-conforming children born 50 years after him need hormones and surgeries. It's appalling. JK then replied, my favourite part is how a man, and he's referring to Boy George here, who went to prison for tying up a fellow human being and whipping them with a chain is someone who always speaks up for those without a voice. Now Boy George saw that and listened to what he said. This is what he said to JK Rowling, says the Botox ridden witch, get on your broomstick. I think Jack David on X summed up the situation well by posting,

What I love about you over the years is you've always stood up for people who sometimes don't have a voice for themselves, she says to a convicted criminal who falsely imprisoned a lad handcuffed to him to a wall and beaten with a chain. And of course, by the way, that person who was beaten up was a male escort in Boy George's house. So Conor Thomson, this is never easy for me, right? I worked with Lorraine Kelly for 10 years and we were incredibly close. It's not easy for me, but I don't shy away from covering these stories because I just feel like, I know Boy George too actually, know Boy George too, but it's like this denial, this denial of scientific reality, this denial of statistics because they think they're being kind when actually what they're being is homophobic,

right? Anti-young gay kids, anti-young lesbian girls, it just chills me. Well these are the types of people that will waffle on endlessly about toxic masculinity, Dan, but when the pathological compassion that Lorraine Kelly purports to have in buckets leads her to lie to children, encourage them to go down the path of irreversible chemical castration and surgical mutilation procedures, and then keep affirming that lie until their suicidality increases to the point where they kill themselves at vast numbers higher than the gender normal population. What is that, if not toxic femininity? And I wanted to go through a couple

of points because George made a series of errors, willful errors I think, in that interview. First of all, the exponential rise in identification among adolescent girls, I think it's 4,500% up from before 2014 to around 2022 when Tavistock closed down. Yeah, that's not a natural phenomena because of course the premise is if you don't affirm Trans kids of which there is no such thing. They will immediately commit suicide It's that more blackmail that was told to parents would you rather a trans kid or a dead kid? Well, why isn't there just an unbroken chain of child and adolescent suicides at exponential rates stretching back through history? Until suddenly gender identity comes on the scene with the advent of Tumblr and social media and rates of trans identification explode. Also the

idea that nobody is pushing their own child to be trans, actually they are, the phrase is Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome and it turns out to have been invented, well I don't know if you know this, the term was invented by John Money, the same guy who popularized gender identity as a term and in a study in the 90s, and this was before trans identification exploded, especially among adolescent girls, but the boys of gender non-conforming mothers, 50% of them had a diagnosed depressive or borderline personality disorder. So they are inflicting their mental maladies onto their own children. The most interesting part I thought about this was when he thinks using the Harry Potter films are an insult to J.K. Rowling.

You know, oh, she she makes all this movie magic and in real life she's a muggle. It's like, right. Well, thank you for admitting that you want people to believe in a delusion. You want to live in a fiction. You want to lie to children. Because what you're citing here is kind of outrage that you cannot be allowed to tell yourself a kind of magic spell that allows you to change your gender and sex by thought. Yeah, George, turns out that denying reality has consequences and you can run around with your eyes shut all you like. But when you run smack bang into wall, don't come crying to me. And if you're going to tell children that walls don't exist, run around. And if you get hurt, well, just keep running at that wall, then I

think you're reprehensible. Oh, indeed. We actually spoke about John Money, I think, on the show earlier in the week. And yeah, it's very, very disturbing stuff. It's become so trendy, though, Connor, in the music industry now, or in the entertainment industry, full stop to just turn on JK Rowling. The latest to do so is a pop star called Kate Nash. I actually used to really like her music, she was never critically acclaimed but I always thought she was quite good right. But I just want to show you this little interview with ITV News and also Connor just just look at the dude from Woke ITV News interviewing her, no idea who this guy's

name is, he's interviewed Nigel Farage recently but I just think get a real haircut and I know some people call me an old fogey for saying that, but look at this. All the women's rights activists like like J.K. Rowling, who says this was a win for women. I don't think J.K. Rowling really has a leg to stand on, because if you look at her Twitter and the way that she talks to people, she's a bully. She's extremely rude. She's extremely crass. She's dragged women, cis women, into some kind of trans feminist debate

that aren't even trans. And it doesn't do anything to support or help women when you constantly try to define them. And transphobia is not feminism. It's okay, Nash, using the B word, using the bully word, Connor. It's exhausting, but the reason they need to amplify these increasingly irrelevant,

ideological so-called celebrities is because the general public recognizes biological reality. Like this is a winning issue for President Trump in the last election. His most popular ad was, "'Kamala Harris is for they, them. Trump is for you.'" If similar positions were put forward by politicians who have stood up to this sort of stuff,

then they would win lots of public support because you cannot get people to try to lie to themselves. It does not go over well. You even need draconian levels of state enforcement, as was seen in the Soviet Union, or your ideological project is going to run aground on the rocks of reality because people are just going to go, yeah, I know you're lying to me, so I don't trust you on this issue, and therefore I don't trust you on

any other issue. And this is why so much attention is paid to this. And this is why JK Rowling has become a hate figure, sort of Emanuel Goldstein, if you will, from 1984, because she's seen as a class traitor. She shaped the childhoods of a lot of these people, she allowed them to engage in magical thinking, she's the patron saint of woke millennials, and now she's stepped off the reservation and so they have to turn her into a witch and keep ducking her until she admits her fault and then they'll probably sacrifice her anyway. I don't think she's going to back down.

Again, I don't think J.K. Rowling agrees with either of us on a whole awful lot, unless she's reassessed most of her political priors that brought her into coalition with these rabid ideologues in the first place. But I do commend her on standing fast on this issue because she's mindswept a lot of rhetorical room for other people to come forward, say obviously sensible things, and ensure that kids are protected. Jason Vale-Cotton-Cotton Connor, I just wanted to end the week with a celebrity who I do actually still have respect for, I think he's great, Robbie Williams, because he went out with his wife, Ada Field in Amsterdam

and conducted a little social experiment and it's brilliant. So the background to this is that Robbie Williams has been very brutally honest in the past about the fact that he really struggles sometimes with people who come up and ask him for photos. He's got a whole load of documented mental health issues, right? And he, when you read him on this, you actually really understand where he's coming from,

because he's so genuine about it in terms of he's not saying, oh my God, I'm not going to take a photo with you, or this is terrible, people bother me. He's like trying to explain, this is why it impacts me so deeply psychologically, because I'm not totally together psychologically anyway so he went out with his wife Ada Field in Amsterdam and turned the tables on unsuspecting members of the public it's great. Okay so what's the plan Williams? Well the plan is to get the camera on me. I'm gonna ask people if they'll have a picture with me. I'm just gonna walk up to random people and go, will you have a picture taken

with me? Okay, and I'm gonna film? You're gonna film, but you've got to do it like, just hold it there. Okay. Punch along, then. Excuse me. What's it? Can I have my picture taken with you?

A picture with me? Why? Why? Just want my picture taken with you. Oh, I'll do it. But why? Can I have my picture taken with you? Yes, of course. Picture with me why? Why? I'll do

Can I have my fix take with you? Yes, thank you. Where you from? There we go Get a little bit less yet. Thank you You ready yeah, okay, you're gonna go? Guys, can I have my picture taken with you? Is that okay? Yeah, do you want to go again? And go. Ladies, can I have my picture taken with you? Is that okay? Sure. First one for take two. Oh, that's Robbie Williams. Ready? Guys, can I have my picture taken with you? Is that okay? Is that okay? Thank you.

You get genuinely confused by that. That's the look. That's the look. That's the look we wanted. That's the look you wanted. That's the look you wanted. Just great. Isn't it, Conor Thompson? Because in such a nice way, he does just make a point. It's an odd thing.

It's just an odd thing. And you're asking me to do this odd thing every, every moment of my life, but he does it in such a kind way. Yeah, I'm sure you get something similar in London when you do venture in, Dan. Especially at political events, I still find it weird that people have asked me for photos, because I'm thinking, who are you going to show this to? They're going to think you're very sad. But I can't imagine the volume that he must get. Yeah, he says it's just constant, right? So wherever he is, wherever he goes, and even when he's in his deepest darkest moments, it still happens

that he's spoken about it happening in planes and doctors surgeries and all of that. Yeah, I had a weird one a couple of years ago now, and I was meeting my best friend, he's my best man for my wedding, and we were both commiserating over a breakup that had happened for both of us for our respective misses on the same week. And it was in a web of spoons in London and some sort of 18 year old kid came over and sort of hovered near the table and just looked and he was like, you're right, mate? And he was like, yeah, do you want something? Yeah, you Connor? I was like, yeah, can I get a photo? And my friend who had known me since university

had to take it. And he just looked at me like I was from the planet Zog. And I think what you often feel is no matter what moment you're in, you feel a need to ensure that the person who has expectations of you has a good time. So I can understand how that can be a sort of crushing weight for him. And I'm glad he can make light of it. Yeah. And he actually says, don't not ask me for pictures. Just, just like, if you really want it, still ask. By the way, I'm like, definitely ask me. I love it. You make my day. But Colin, you've mentioned your wedding. I didn't know. Is it, is this public? What, what can you tell us?

It's tomorrow. Uh, so I am as you, as you can imagine, it's been a stressful few weeks now. I can't believe you're here today, but this is a good distraction technique, maybe? Yeah, quite. I will be at a rehearsal the night before, so it's gonna be a sweltering hot day tomorrow, and I'm paying for everyone else to get mightily drunk, so I'm gonna recover from my bruised bank account. Because you don't drink, do you?

You don't drink? No, I haven't for quite some time, though. That level of socialising, who knows, I might need to get through it. Oh my goodness, yes, 28 degrees tomorrow. Are you going to be posting pictures, Connor? Because we want to see. Maybe one or two, though my missus is not in the public eye. She is one of many Twitter anons. And so we like to keep separate spheres going, but I'm sure she'll want me to brag.

Okay, well when you're next on, when you're next on, maybe you could bring like a couple, just a couple, even if it's just you and you and your best man. We'd love to see that. The guest list is going to be fun. There will be some of the Lotus Eaters there. There'll be some, you know, people political. So, so, it'll be basically one big far right gathering. So I'll look for the person that sort of slips out right during the reception and I'll know that's the hope not hate plot. Oh my god. Well, good luck. Good luck. I cannot wait to see the pictures. You deserve to have the absolute best day tomorrow. And I hope it goes smoothly without any of the tackiness of a certain other wedding

which is going on. You know I'm talking about Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. Oh yeah. I thought you were just referring to Harry and Meghan as per Dan and let's hope mine doesn't end up like that. No, no, no, no. You've actually chosen the same day for your wedding I think as Lauren Sanchez and there they are but they're doing the very gauche thing in Venice at the moment. But we are actually talking about it. Conor, thank you. Good luck tomorrow. And we are going to be speaking about this gauche wedding, the opposite of Conor's wedding, next in the uncancelled after show with Angela Levin, because Prince Harry and Meghan Markle see Dean at home in Montezito because they have not been invited.

So you can come and join the fun. www.outspoken.live is the address on Substack. But have an amazing weekend. But just before we go, we have time to reveal the worst Briton in the world this week. Lots of comments coming in from you. Michael Tarncliffe says I don't know what Yusuf has done this time but he will always be one of the worst Britons for introducing draconian speech laws and then working his way out of being prosecuted

for said laws despite being a stinking racist. But Alex Albury says I've said it before and I'll say it again. Narenda Kerr will always be the worst on the list. Normally the other contenders have a smidge of common sense and intelligence but Narenda Kerr will always be the worst on the list. Normally the other contenders have a smidge of common sense and intelligence, but Narenda unfortunately has neither. So the results are in. In fourth position, Will Hsu, the Deliveroo CEO with just 1% of your vote, so he's gone pretty well this week. In third position, with 21% of the vote, Stephen Fry for his unhinged attack on JK Rowley. The runner up with 23% of the vote Narenda Kerr for her attacks on the lack of ethnic food in Italy. But your winner with 55% of the vote, the worst Briton in the world this week is Humza useless. Couldn't have happened to a nicer man. Okay so at this stage

we move on over to Substack www.outspoken.live. Angela Levin is standing by. Good as me though I've just looked at the weather over the weekend for Conor's wedding and it's nuts. I mean we don't get weather like this here. I know if you're in America or somewhere like that you're just laughing but it's going to be 30 degrees over the weekend so have a very good one in the heat but don't worry I am back with you live 5pm UK time Monday, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. If you're watching on YouTube or Rumble please hit subscribe and most importantly I promise to keep fighting.