Dan Wootton Outspoken - KEIR STARMER SECRET FAMILY CRISIS EXPLODES AS LADY VICTORIA REFUSES TO GO TO POPE FUNERAL

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Instacart. Groceries that over-deliver. No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wharton. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 210. And breaking right now, missing Lady Victoria Starmer will not attend the Pope's funeral on Saturday alongside her husband to tear care. So there's something Obama-like going on here, folks. I'm going to cut through the fake news about Jim Davidson and CCTV

to reveal what's really going on in my digest next. Also, Starmer's pathetic and weaselly trans U-turn is finally complete. Look, a woman is an adult female and the court has made that absolutely clear. I actually welcome the judgment because I think it gives real clarity. It allows those that have got to drop guidance to be really clear about what that guidance should say. That wasn't what you were saying a few months ago, you absolute cretin. Is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? Well, it is something that shouldn't be said. It is not. Honestly, how can we be led by such a moral vacuum? David Curtin,

leader of the Heritage Party, joins me to tackle it all in today's uncancelled interview. Also coming up on the show today, Reform UK plunged into a reparations row as one of its star candidates believes Britain should pay billions for historic slavery mistakes. And Gary Lineker's British bashing corporation exit interview on the BBC itself is as delusional as you would expect it to be. We will analyse. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Meghan Markle hilariously and awkwardly exposes herself as a really bad friend who has no idea what's going on in her so-called BFF's lives in her latest car crash episode of the Flop Podcast Confessions. We're going to trawl through the lowlights with our royal mastermind, Angela Evan. I promise you,

it really is funny stuff. We'll give you a laugh today. So to sign up to watch www.outspoken.live. Of course, at the end of the show, I will also reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass, but Union Jackass is chosen by you. Both the nominees and you can vote for the winner right now in our live chat on YouTube. Today's nominations. David Lammy, nominated by Anna Island 17. And that is because of his tweet after the last Pope died. And honestly, I can never get over how funny this was do you remember it was when the bbc was talking about the very famous tradition of whether the black smoke or the white smoke goes up the chimney to reveal whether the conclave has decided on the pope or not and david lammy

actually posted on what was then twitter this tweet from the bbc is crass and unnecessary do we really need silly innuendo about the race of the next Pope? And I think that shows you by ChrisT119. And that's for referring to the public outrage over the lack of a grooming gang inquiry as, quote, misinformation. Have you noticed that's what they do now if there's something they're not happy about? Even if it's true, just misinformation, misinformation. So lots coming up today. Let me know your comments throughout the show too. And I will read out some of the best of them or some of the worst. Have a go at me if you want. I'm more than up for that at the end of the show. But now let's go. The MSM may have played ball until now, but as he returns to a trans firestorm, Slippery Starmer's big secret over the real shape of his family and his missing wife,

Lady Victoria, could be about to come back to haunt him. I'm going to cut through the fake news about Jim Davidson and CCTV to reveal what's really going on as the PM's wife pulls a Michelle Obama and refuses to attend the funeral of Pope Francis alongside her husband on Saturday in the latest sign of real trouble. Before we get there, the PM's credibility was forever smashed today as his spokesman admitted Starmer now knows a trans woman is not a woman but only after last week's landmark Supreme Court decision because remember this is the same Starmer who used to say all of this is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? Well, it is something that shouldn't be said. It is not right.

In 2021, you said that MP Rosie Duffield was wrong to say that only women have a cervix. In the next year, asked to define a woman in an interview in The Times, you said a woman is a female adult. In addition to that, trans women are women. Later that month, you said in an LBC phone-in, well, you just simply refused to answer the question of whether a woman can have a penis. And finally, in 2023, you said that for 99% of women, their gender is completely biological,

and, of course, they haven't got a penis penis so a woman can have a penis nick i'm not i don't think we can conduct this debate with you know sorry no no no it's just no no no i just no the answer was. A woman cannot have a penis. And after disappearing off the face of the earth for seven days, while allowing his senior MPs and ministers to try and undermine the court's decision to protect women, Starmer slithered back like a little snake into the MSM to woke ITV News today to concede the inevitable. We saw protests this weekend in Bristol, as Paul mentioned, about the Supreme Court ruling. Do you believe a trans woman is a woman? Look, I think the Supreme Court has answered that question. So you don't believe a trans woman is a woman?

Look, a woman is an adult female and the court has made that absolutely clear. I actually welcome the judgment because I think it gives real clarity. It allows those that have got to drop guidance to be really clear about what that guidance should say. So I think it's important that we see the judgment for what it is. It's a welcome step forward. It's real clarity in an area where we did need clarity. I'm pleased it's come about. We need to move and make sure that we now ensure that all guidance is in the right place, according to that judgment. What are your words for the trans community who are worried about

what this could mean for them? Well, look, I think it is important that we have clarity about the law. That's what the Supreme Court is there for. So obviously, that's an important and welcome step. And we go forward from there. While he is, of course, saying the correct thing now, it is absolutely mortifying, absolutely mortifying to have a prime minister so devoid of any moral compass that for five long years he decided to play this sick game that biological sex no longer exists. But there is trouble close to home for the PM. After Number 10 today confirmed that Lady Victoria will not attend the Pope's funeral alongside her husband on Saturday. Amid ongoing troubles in the first couple's marriage, Lady V has not been seen for weeks since this miserable

and noticeably brief Downing Street appearance for Eid. Really proud that we've been able to host an Iftar event here in number 10 to attend the big Iftar in Westminster Hall. I'm wishing you Eid Mubarak is a really... So the internet, as it does, has taken a scrap of truth, but unfortunately actually given Starmer a bit of a PR victory by spreading fake news about Lord Ali and Starmer being caught by Jim Davidson, of all people, my mate, on CCTV.

Now, I spoke to my friend Jim about this earlier in the week, and he immediately insisted it was fake news, but he has now gone public. I've been trending on social media and YouTube and TikTok and all these other things. And the reason is, apparently, apparently I have some damning CCTV footage regarding the Prime Minister Keir Starmer in some sort of compromising position with Labour donor Lord Ali. Well, apparently this has now forced his marriage to collapse. Well, I'm here today to reveal the truth about that film now. OK, people are saying Jim Davidson leaked this film. Absolute bollocks.

There is no truth in this whatsoever. It's totally made up misinformation. Honestly, I swear to God. And the Tory comic has even spoken to Number 10 about the explosive rumour. I spoke to 10 Downing Street, to the Prime Minister's office last night and today, and they believe it's not me as well. They said, don't worry, Jim, we know it is fake news and we're on there. But he insists, by the way, that he still hates Starmer.

I'm not a lover of Keir Starmer. I don't like our prime minister. I think he's doing a shit job, but we live in a democracy and the way to get politicians out we don't like is to vote them out. I think the reason this story took hold is because people are so fed up with this government and they're desperate to believe it's true. But it isn't true. You can't just make up shit like this and fucking blame me. Don't drag me into it. You want to have a go at Keir Starmer, help yourselves, dip your bread in.

I don't think Keir Starmer needs fake news to ruin his reputation anyway, because he's doing a good enough job of it himself, ain't he? He's let down the pensioners, he's let down the workers, he's let down farmers, he's let down business owners, he's let down students, he's let down the entire working class, he's let down real owners, he's let down students, he's let down the entire working class, he's let down real women, women without a penis, right? He's let down the victims

of Pakistani grooming gangs, he's let down the entire nation by failing to secure our borders. But trust me, there is still something going on here. As George Galloway posted on X, I know nothing and care less about Starmer's sex life. But I know there's something very off about his indecent relationship to the dodgy Bangladeshi procurer of his wife's underwear. This relationship is not normal for a British Prime Minister. So the reality, as I have been reporting for months, is that the MSM, they know all about the secret shape of Zama's family, and I believe have dropped the ball by refusing to report on their beloved leader's private life, even though they drove Boris Johnson out of office for far less. Do you know what? When I ran these pictures of Starmer prowling around with the very

journalists who protect him on Blair Force One, Downing Street actually banned photos of that plane huddle being taken any longer. So this is a regime focused on information control. They do not want you to know how closely they are working, the Labour administration is working in lockstep with the MSM. So the only people who have been willing to get close to the truth on this story have been Lord Ashcroft, myself, here on Outspoken, and the brilliant Paul Staines, owner of Guido Forks, who pushed as hard as he could to reveal the truth before stepping back from the website. He revealed right here that numerous MSM organisations do have a birth certificate. We've both been in the game a long time. You know the rules. If you can't stand it up

completely, you can't run the story. So we have a name, as do the Mail and the Telegraph. We have a birth certificate and people have been looking into it. Journalists have contacted the family. So it's in play and a lot of people do know it, but we have not been able to substantiate it to the degree that you need to publish. Okay so to clarify would you say that this story is about the shape of Keir Starmer's family? Yes yeah that's that's a very good way of phrasing it. He then blew a hole in the story. Remember this, that Starmer was staying at Lord Ali's Mayfair penthouse because of his son's school exams.

A marked change. You referred to it in the podcast with the bombshells. All of a sudden, as soon as the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph started to suggest, where's Vicky, the disappearing wife? I remember I made a video about that. All of a sudden, she was out with a huge amount of force and it was very public. I mean, it all started, do you remember, with that picture on Instagram,

loved up picture on Instagram during the Taylor Swift concert. And from there, there was a marked change. So it was very clear they wanted to shut down the rumors, but I guess it hasn't worked. But what the lobby suspects about Lord Ali's property, they don't really buy into,

I don't think any of us really buy into, it was for the son to do his revision for his GCSEs, that was he in the doghouse? And was he kicked out? Was he, you know, using the bedrooms at the penthouse? You know, that's what they're suspicious of. Was he not under the same roof as Victoria? Well, yes, indeed. And I had learned that there were mainstream newspaper journalists looking into the story before the election that Starmer and his wife were, shall we say, living separate lives. Okay. So, does Starmer's marriage trouble matter?

I understand there will be some of you saying maybe not. And by the way, I understand more than virtually anyone that the UK's ridiculous libel laws do tie the hands of many brave journalists. But, and this is a big but, what makes me physically ill is the completely corrupt MSM in Britain that allows two completely different sets of rules for a Tory Prime Minister or a centre-right Prime Minister compared to a Labour Party one. So I know what will happen now. Just honestly, just wait. Just like before the last election when this was all going viral starmer will force lady v to play happy families while continuing to hide the truth and starmer is a hypocrite by the way because he claims that he keeps his children out of the media

and that is why we do not have a right to know about the true shape of his family but do you remember he was more than happy just a couple of weeks ago to speak about the true shape of his family. But do you remember? He was more than happy just a couple of weeks ago to speak about them in for night and when he was pushing that Netflix adolescence anti-white propaganda. And I want to leave you with this thought. Look at that front page. If Carrie Johnson had refused to attend a state funeral alongside Boris as Prime Minister, do you really think the MSN would have respected their privacy then? No. National newspapers splashed all over their front pages a minor row at a flat. To respond now, let me bring in Heritage Party leader David Kerson.

David, it is so brilliant to have you on Outspoken for the first time and obviously we've got lots to talk about today but I do want to kick off with this breaking news lady victoria starmer who is seemingly missing she's gone again not attending the pope's funeral alongside starmer according to number 10 downing street yet the msm continue to just ignore this as a story. Is that right? Yeah, well, Dan, it's great to join you on the show. But before this, this is very odd that you've got one of the most important people in the world, the Pope, and all the world's leaders going and he's not taking his wife with him. This Kirstama, Victoria is staying at home or wherever, I don't know where she's going to be at the Pope's funerals. Very, very odd. And as you say, this is something that's been going on for a long time. So I think

here, this is important for people to know what's happening. Because if someone is presenting themselves as someone who is happily married with a stable traditional family, and that's not the case, I don't know if it is or isn't. But with all of this talk and the rumors around this, I think something needs to be clarified quite soon. And especially with this very odd situation with Keir Starmer's wife staying at home, this is the time to actually come straight and say, well, whether this is just, you know, because she's ill or something, or whether there is something else going on. I don't know.

But if someone is in the position of prime minister, they shouldn't present themselves as being something and having a family when there's something else going on behind the scenes. Yeah, because this is always something that I've questioned the outspoken audience on any time I've run this story, because I just wanted to make sure that my moral compass on this one matches where my audience is at. And I've asked, do we have a back overwhelmingly, about 95% of people saying, yes, we do. I find it very odd, by the way, that we have a prime minister who was able to hide the name of his children from us. I find that really odd. Now, the media has decided to go along with this because they want to protect the children's privacy. But is the point that he's now using that,

because he had absolutely no problem the other week, bringing up his children in PMQs, talking about the Netflix series Adolescence, which I believe was just a piece of anti-white propaganda, by the way. He was speaking about the kids all the time then. So it feels like he picks and chooses when he wants to deploy his family. Yeah, well, you can't do that. You have to be consistent, especially if you're in high office. And I think your audience is right with 95% of people saying that they want the truth. I mean,

I don't think people care what his family shape is like. I mean, I'm for traditional family values, obviously. But people just want to know that someone isn't trying to hide something from the public and keep something from them, perhaps deceive them. And with all of the rumours going around with all of the talk, as you know, you've mentioned, there is a lot of talk. We don't know quite what that is. But you know, some people are suggesting, you know, your interviewee there that there is something happening that they don't have all of the facts necessary to publish. Well, you know, I think people are going to be very disconcerted by this, because most people

who reach high office or have done in the past, have been completely open about what their family is. I mean, there's no need to hide anything. And remember, you've got... Until now, until suddenly, someone's hiding something, and it's very strange. Well, and you've got the whole Lord Ali factor too, right? So this very, very rich benefactor who is putting Starmer up in a Mayfair penthouse,

who is paying for his designer glasses, who is buying his wife designer clothes. I mean, to me, that clearly is something that deserves an explanation. Why? That is all so weird. And remember, at that point, Starmer was more than happy to throw his son under the bus and say, oh, no, no, no, it's because he's needing to study for his GCSEs. That's the most ridiculous excuse. I mean, if someone was going to study for their GCSEs, I wouldn't put them somewhere in the centre of London. I'd send them to the countryside, where life is a lot more quiet. But yeah, this man, Lord Ali, he's got access to the prime minister, which very few people in history have ever had. And with all of these gifts in exchange, as we know, for a security pass to number 10, you know, we have to question what is going on here, and also what influence does he have over government policy? Because here you have someone who's unelected, who's got a very close relationship with the Prime Minister,

that's very abnormal. And everything needs to be disclosed to the people who are voters. Because at the end of the day, I believe the people are sovereign. And we can't have someone who's unelected, having such an influence over the Prime Minister or having such a relationship, which may lead to undue influence. And we don't know the full extent of what's going on there. So we need to know more about this. And he needs to really explain why this particular man has such a close relationship with him. Totally. And I blame so much of this on the mainstream media, by the way, David, and including the ridiculous situation that we got into where politicians were denying a biological reality. I mean, let me show you this post which JK Rowling has just made in regards to that interview that i played in in my digest

of kirstama to itv news about the supreme court decision and i love these words i mean jk rowling right she's good with words that that's that's her job but but my god she summed up exactly how i felt imagine being such a coward you can only muster the courage to tell the truth once the Supreme Court has ruled on what the truth is. I don't think he can morally recover from this, can he? It's completely ridiculous, isn't it? I mean, everybody with any sense knows that there are two sexes, male and female. You cannot change your sex. There are not 79 genders and men should not be in women's sports and women's toilets and vice versa, of course. You don't need the Supreme Court to tell you this. I mean, if you are waiting for someone to tell you

what you can say about reality, then really you have no grip on reality. And he was really not fit for purpose for being the Prime Minister. But you know, he's not the only one. There's been government ministers galore. The MSM, as you say, have pushed this narrative, businesses have pushed this narrative, as well, to some extent. And it's absolute insanity. You know, when I first heard of this transgenderism idea, it was about 2015, I thought, this is crazy. This is never going to catch on. But just a few years afterwards,

people were being cancelled, called transphobic, and, you know, all kinds of things. Even having the police come and visit people in their homes for criticising gender ideology, which you should always be allowed to, which you should always be allowed to do because you should always be allowed to have the free speech to discuss and critique any ideology or any idea that you want to do. But this is where we are now. And he has presided over nearly a year of a government that has up to now not had the courage to say that women can't have male anatomy,

if you, excuse me, if I put it like that, until now, until there's this ruling. But he should have done that before. Well, I'll never take them seriously again. I mean, I struggle to take them seriously anyway. But after this, on this whole story, by the way, Susan Grove on our live chat on YouTube says, wow, this is like the Hunter Biden laptop talking about Starmer's secret family. And I think she's right. You know, I think she's right. And the mainstream media in this country are still like what the mainstream media used to be like in America with Donald Trump, where they would cover up the truth because they had such a desire to play a part in the political process.

And I think hopefully that's what the independent media in this country will change. Breaking right now, Reform UK mired in a reparations row. This is after Nigel Farage posted on X an interview with one of their senior branch leaders, a guy called Neville Watson, who heads the Enfield division, in the Guardian newspaper, where he supported economic reparations for the unimaginable wrong of slavery. Now, this guy said it had driven a, quote, deep-rooted and sometimes subconscious racism and left a deep, indelible mark on the lives of a people. So I'm really struggling to get my head around this on a whole load of levels, and luckily I'm not the only one. Rupert Lowe, Axed Reform MP, posted on X, here's a succinct and evidence-based response to anyone calling for slavery reparations from Britain, sod off. Please feel free to use it as you see fit. Stephen Edgington of GB News wrote,

big test for Farajan reform. Assuming they were unaware of this and didn't read the article, they tweeted, will he now be expelled from reform? Or is it just those on the right who are removed for their views on migration and Islam. And Conor Tomlinson on the issue posted extorting taxpayers for billions to absolve white Brits of collective racial guilt is a much more extreme and reprehensible position than mass deportations for illegal immigrants. Should point out there, Rupert Lowe made it on that too, saying, I agree with Conor. And I do really struggle with this. And I know there are people within reform, very senior people within reform, that think me talking about this somehow makes me the enemy of the party. And I just say to them, you are so

wrong. I am only on the side of this country. And that means we need the right people in power. Power is great. But the Conservative Party proved over the past 14 years that power alone is not enough. We have to have the right people who are determined to do the right thing. That means mass deportations. And that means cutting out this woke mind virus of the idea of reparations, which would bankrupt this country. Now, very unusual to me on a few elements, this whole story. Why is Reform UK encouraging their ethnically diverse candidates to give interviews to The Guardian? Are they really this desperate to become a centre-left party? What is that about? And will they now take action? Because you know there have been so many people booted out of the

party simply for saying something I consider a fact, like Tommy Robinson is a political prisoner. They're gone. They're booted. They're forever out. And in this case, what this candidate or what this branch chair said goes very much against Nigel Farage's official policy on reparations, which he outlined on GB News. So let's watch this and then I'll get reaction from Heritage Party leader David Kirsten. What does Sir Keir Starmer say to Commonwealth countries wanting reparations for slavery past? No, no, never. Now, there is an argument for reparations, obviously. I think the French, during the Hundred Years' War, I think the raids into Kent and Sussex, the loss of so much. I mean, where do you stop with this? Where do you stop with this? Do you go for reparations against the

African black slave traders who sold the slaves to us in the first place? I mean, do we actually, are we owed reparations from the Portuguese Spanish who carried on slaving and we had a massive cost to stop them doing it? Look, if you give an inch on this, if Starmer shows any weakness on this, even though we might consider it, this will never go away. So David, I'm fascinated on your view on this whole story, because you have a really interesting past with Nigel Farage too. You were of course a very senior guy in UKIP, you were elected to the London Assembly. And like so many people, there seemed to be some sort of fallout with the party. And now you've set up Heritage, to be some sort of fallout with the party. And now you've set up Heritage, which I think you could definitely say is to the right of reform

on the political spectrum. So let's come to your personal story in just a moment. But first, what do you make of the fact that Reform UK now has senior people within their party giving interviews for The Guardian and advocating for slavery reparations, and the party management don't seem to have any problem with it. It's a very strange thing, and it looks like reform are going in a certain direction. I mean, people have been talking about this for a couple of weeks now that they're moving towards the centre, and they certainly seem to be doing that when they're not doing anything to stop party officials from speaking to the Guardian, which I regard as the enemy.

You know, I don't think I would speak to them or anyone in the Heritage Party would speak to them or give them an interview anyway. But certainly you need to have principles as a party, not just sway with the wind and try to move into a place, you know, to try and get some votes, maybe while annoying your base. I mean, the way I operate with the Heritage Party is we set out our principles first and reparations will be completely against our principles, because the people who are alive today are not responsible for slavery that happened more than 200 years ago. It's completely ridiculous to suggest that we should give

billions and billions of pounds of British taxpayers' money today, which is not going to make reparations for the people who were alive then, obviously. It's going to go into the pockets of the wealthy people in these countries that are demanding reparations. And, you know, you obviously see Keir Starmer giving huge amounts of money to Mauritius, as well as giving the Chagos Islands away, which goes along with their philosophy and ideology of making reparations. But it's very, very bad for Britain. So the fact that someone in reform can actually say this, and it doesn't seem that anything's happened to them.

Nothing has been said by the leaders of the party shows that, well, they don't have any principles. People can say what they like. Yeah, and what is interesting to me is how Nigel's principles seem to have changed as well. So World by Wolf on X pointed this out. He wrote, there was a time, and this was a time when you were in UKIP

alongside him, David, when Nigel Farage would address political taboos, even if it came with a gasp from a BBC audience. In 2015, he raised the fact that the NHS was treating thousands of foreigners for HIV at great expense to the taxpayer. 2025, Farage has lost his stomach for it. Well, it wasn't actually on the BBC, by the way, but I got the clip. It was on Sly News back in 2015. So this is 10 years ago. Let's watch this. The fact, and I'm sure the other people

will be mortified that I dare to talk about it. There are 7,000 diagnoses in this country every year for people who are HIV positive, which is not a good place for any of them to be, I know. But 60% of them are not British nationals. You can come into Britain from anywhere in the world and get diagnosed with HIV and get the retroviral drugs that cost up to £25,000 per year per patient. I know there are some horrible things happening in many parts of the world. But what we need to do is to put the National Health Service there for British people

and families who, in many cases, have paid into this system for decades. Now, I mean, you just wouldn't catch him saying that these days, would you? No, I remember that, actually, from the 2015 general election campaign. I think I watched that debate. And, you know, that was why I joined back in the day, you know, before I started the Heritage Party, because UKIP back in the day was the party that was fighting political correctness and saying what needs to be said and speaking truth, truths that other people were frightened to speak about. But now it doesn't seem like anyone in the leadership of reform is willing to do that. You know, they're rowing back from controlling our borders properly, you know, which is one of the very, very most important things that needs to be done in this country. So, you know, you wonder where on earth they're going.

And the thing is, as I've said, if you don't have principles, and you rely on polling to determine your policy and to determine what statements you're going to make to the media, well, then, you know, you can say one thing today, you can say another thing tomorrow, and a completely different thing the next day. And eventually, no one actually knows what you really stand for and they'll become you know just like the liberal democrats or something so tell me about your personal uh experience david because obviously we've heard loads of people talk about the fact that nigel in some way sort of maybe derailed their career or ruined their political career, that there's a whole load of people. And when those folks saw the same thing happen to Rupert

Lowe, and I think for a lot of people, for me, that was a bit of a line in the sand. Like, I don't believe that our side of the argument should ever be operating with the type of lawfare and the calling the police for hurty words. That's what we expect the left to use on us, right? So what personally happened between you and Nigel? And do you think he's capable of bringing together people who are really talented and at times might threaten him?

Well, you know, I always got on very well with nigel farage but i i played yeah personally personally i did um but you know i i i realized that um you know very early on if you were a tall poppy if you like if your your head rose up and you you were seen to be intelligent or very capable, then you're going to get chopped down, you know, within the UKIP structure, which I was in from 2014 up to 2019. You know, then UKIP sort of disintegrated after the referendum and Nigel went away, essentially came back with the Brexit party. But they didn't want me, you know, I offered myself as a candidate for the Brexit party,

but I just didn't hear anything back from them. And I heard that, you know, other people who were figures in UKIP got the same kind of treatment back in the day, they put themselves forward to be candidates, but they weren't selected. I mean, mean with me I just I just didn't hear anything even though I'd offered to to do that for the country to stand in the general election I mean in in in 2019 and this this seems to be this this constant idea which we're experiencing now, which is almost that Nigel wants to disassociate himself with people who might be considered on the hard right, the far right of British politics, whatever that means. And by the way, that term is so ludicrous now because it's really overused. Yeah, well, you've got radical feminists now are called hard right or far right quite on the left of really but but yeah um i i think you're getting this um

you know quite a lot they're they're looking for people i think to be candidates who will you know very much be you know passive and uh docile and do what they're told. And if someone is a candidate who's got strong opinions, you know, and I would, I've been called all the names under the sun. I've been called a homophobe, a transphobe, an Islamophobe, and an anti-semite at the same time, which I don't quite get, a racist, far right. I've been called all of those things. But I think that they're going the same way as the fake Conservative Party who are terrified of being called a name.

And, you know, you've shown the clip of me questioning Sadiq Khan in the Chamber of the London Assembly about grooming gangs. And no one else would do that in the London Assembly. But I'll tell you what happened after that session.

Two or three of the fake Conservatives came up to me afterwards and said, that was brilliant, David. That was such good questioning. I loved it. So good. Couldn't do it myself. But you were great. Keep on doing it.

And so, you know, they loved the questions that I was answering, asking, but they wouldn't do it themselves. And it seems like reform are now going down the same path. I'm so sick of that. OK, but they wouldn't do it themselves. And it seems like reform are now going down the same path. I'm so sick of that. Okay, so I'm so with you there, but let me put the other position to you, which we had June Slater

on the show advocating for yesterday. It's gone really viral amongst a lot of reform supporters, which is that, Dan, if you are too morally pure, and if you try and create something that isn't connected to Nigel Farage, it's simply just going to mean another five years of Labour. And let's be honest, the country won't survive that. No, I disagree with that. I mean, I started the Heritage Party in April 2020. That's when I

started working on it. And we launched six months later. And that was at a time when everything in the space that UKIP used to occupy closed down. UKIP had disintegrated. The Brexit Party had deactivated. So I just started what I thought we needed as a country, which was a properly socially conservative party, which was like what the conservatives used to be 30 or 40 years ago, with principles that everybody can understand, you know, financial responsibility, traditional family values, low immigration, national sovereignty, all of those things, which most people would agree on and so if you have a party that is you know like reformers it's come to be fairly big because they are a PR machine

they get people in the mainstream media I guess they have PR agents that help them to do that. But you don't have any principles, then what do you stand for? You get into power, and you're just like the Uniparty. That's no good. What I think we need is something like the Heritage Party. Well, I would say the Heritage Party itself, because what I'm trying to do is lead on things. And not everyone might agree with everything at the beginning. But I think by putting the message out that this is what the country needs, for example, on net zero

and energy security, energy self-sufficiency, that's one thing that we say, which all of the other parties in the Uniparty completely disagree on. But we've stated that from the very beginning five years ago. And now many many many millions

of people have come over to agree with us and see don't you all need to get together though in some way because we've got rupert low considering what he's going to do we've got ben habib setting up the integrity party we've got youk Nick Tenkony. Now, that is a very, very splintered environment. That's before I get to a whole load of other parties. So doesn't there have to be some type of union if it's going to work? You know, I'm disappointed in a way that I set the Heritage Party up in 2020 as something that I think all of those people could have come and joined, you know, and the heritage party up in 2020 as something that I think all of those people could have come and joined you know and I've said to some of those people that you mentioned

look you're welcome to come and join us you know come and join in and you can you can be part of the team but um you've got different people setting up different parties as you said there's others that um other people are setting up that you haven't mentioned. But, you know, I think that I can work with people, you know, I can work with other people and, you know, make, I think, you know, some kind of arrangements to stand in different constituencies. I'd be happy to do that if people had the same principles as we do in the Heritage Party. But if they do have the same principles, I would say, why don't come and join us anyway? Because, you know, at the moment, there are local elections going on right now. And we exist. And we're standing a couple of dozen candidates around the country. You know, we've been consistently in the top 10 of political parties

in the UK by the number of candidates we're standing in elections for three or four years now. So we are a force which can have, you know, select candidates, stand candidates, and parties that don't even exist yet, that haven't been registered with the Electoral Commission can't do that yet. So if you're looking for something that exists right now, that is standing now, that can stand in by elections over the next year, and if there's an early general election, if something does happen to Keir Starmer, and there is an early general election, then we're here and we're ready to go. If another party is not registered with the Electoral Commission, they can't stand. So I would say, have a look at us now. And I'm happy to talk to any of those people you mentioned

about working together. Yeah, I think there is going to have to be some sort of arrangement on the right. But God knows where that plays out. My position at the moment is that what we have to do is shift the Overton window. That's what's required, because actually, it's so long until the next general election. Let's move the policies, because the vast majority of the British public agree with mass deportations, for example. So if we have Nigel Farage, as the leader of Reform UK, say mass deportations are impossible, we've got to move him to a point where he says, no, no, no, actually, we can do mass deportations. Trump's done mass deportations. And I think that could happen through a whole load of pressure, pressure from parties like Heritage on the right, pressure from the

independent media, like us, here at Outspoken, and also pressure potentially from a Conservative Party leader like Robert Jenrick, who I think will end up outflanking reform on the right. So it's too early. That's the point. It's too early. But to be very clear, by the way, to all of the people who think I'm somehow turning on reform, if I was voting in the local elections next week, I would be voting for Reform UK. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be scrutiny on where this party is going because we don't want Tory 2.0. Didn't work first time around. And so we need something better in order to save the country. Breaking right now, Gary Lineker has given an extraordinarily delusional, out-of-touch exit interview about his sacking, or let me be clear,

departure, forced departure from the British Bashing Corporation. And of course, guess what? He did it on the British Bashing Corporation. So this is one of these awful, lovey interviews where one BBC star, Lineker, who thinks the same way, is interviewed by another BBC star, Amal Rajan, who thinks the same way and thinks that Lineker is an absolutely brilliant asset to the corporation. So what we're going to do is, yes, sit through it, but don't worry, we'll decode and call out the bullshit with David Curtin in just one moment. Let's kick off with Amal Rajin asking why Lineker left the beep. It's time. I think, you know, I've done it for a long time. It's been brilliant. It's been great.

You don't need to leave. The show is doing well. It's rating well. You're up for it. You enjoy it. You're good at it. Well, perhaps they want me to leave. Is that a sense you've got? There was a sense of that, yeah. But would you have stayed if you could have stayed? Would you have liked to have stayed? No, I always wanted one more contract.

I think it was their preference that I didn't do much of the day for one more year so they could bring in new people. So it's slightly unusual that I would do the FA Cup and the World Cup, but to be honest, it's a scenario that suits me perfectly. You think back to barely two years ago when you responded to a video from a Home Secretary saying, good heavens, this is beyond awful,

and then you responded to another Twitter user by saying her language was not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 1930s. Do you regret saying those things publicly? I don't regret saying them publicly in terms... Because I was right what I said, it was accurate. But I wouldn't do it again because of all the kerfuffle that followed. And I love the BBC and I didn't like the damage that it did to the BBC. Can you not see why some people would say,

even if you work for BBC Sport, if you're paid a big salary to work for the BBC, and it's funded by the licence fee, you should be impartial? And comparing a Home Secretary's language to 1930s Germany, bumping into government policy, is impartial why did it have to be impartial so you saw yourself as a freelancer and therefore freelancer and therefore not um bound by the impartiality rules the impartiality rules were for people in news and current affairs. They have subsequently changed. The arrogance of that man is completely off the scale

because he claims to love the BBC. He claims to care about the British Passion Corporation. But no one man has done more damage in recent years to the corporation because what he did is make it very, very obvious that the BBC operates as a political activism organisation where they have one view of the world and all of their presenters and all of the reporters get in line behind that view of the world. And it's meant for over 50% of the population. We will never trust what the BBC have to tell us ever again. We will never pay our license fee ever again. And David Curtin, I think for Gary Lineker to sit there as if he's done nothing wrong. I mean,

he looked like a sulky teenager, annoyed with his parents for grounding him. Amol Rajan didn't ask him one hard question, literally sat there saying, well, why are you leaving? You're so popular. You're so brilliant. And it's like, do you not understand? You may have been a freelancer, but you were taking over a million pounds of license fee payers money every single year. You were the most highly paid bloke on the BBC. And when the new director general, Tim Davey, came in and said, we are going to be a politically neutral organisation. There is going to be no exception to our presenters. You're not going to be able to post your political views on social media. And everyone signed up to it. Lineker made a mockery of him from the off.

I think I'm going to get the world's smallest violin out to play to Gary Lineker because that's all he needs. He's dreadful, isn't he? And he, as you said, completely was on board with the underlying philosophy of the BBC that is totally for mass immigration. And, you know, when Suella Braverman came out with the Rwanda policy to send migrants to Rwanda, I didn't agree with that because I thought that would be inefficient. It wasn't enough. You know, I actually think that we need a proper remigration or deportation programme. That wasn't it. But for him to actually suggest that this is like 1930s Germany, obviously saying that anyone who says this or thinks this is far right, as you say,

this goes along with the smearing of the majority of people in the country who realise that mass rapid immigration has got to a level which is completely unsustainable, and we need to stop it and we need to reverse it. So him saying that, look, he can say what he wants if he, you know, he's got free speech, but he shouldn't be a presenter on the BBC and smearing the majority of the country. I mean, the two things are completely incompatible. Of course. And the fact that he says that what he posted was truth

shows that the guy is a hard-left activist. I mean, whatever you think of Suella Braverman, and personally, I think she's a wonderful woman. And I believe that she was probably the only Home Secretary in recent years who actually tried to do the right thing when it came to stopping the invasion of our country. And to compare her to Hitler, to the Nazis, is not only intellectually dishonest, it's actually dangerous. And I completely agree with you, by the way. He has free speech, totally, but not if you're taking taxpayer money to work for the BBC. You sign away your free speech the moment you walk through those doors. And by the way, that's why I would never take money from the BBC,

because no one's going to take that free speech away from me. But it's the only way a state broadcaster can work. Now, you know, my personal view is that the BBC should be defunded altogether. It should just operate like every other commercial model. It skews the market entirely. It's bad for Britain. And actually, it lies on a daily basis. But what I found so interesting is that in the next part of this interview, Lineker really exposed the BBC

by talking about how all of the other presenters effectively overruled the management by backing him. Watch this. I got to the stage with the BBC when I was turned to... Just ignore it. It'll be fine. And it would have been fine. Watch this. They're so anti-BBC on the Daily Mail. So what should the BBC have done about it? They ignored it and it would have been fine and gone away. What did they do? They didn't ignore it. And in the end, they took me off air, which was silly. It was a silly overreaction and I think they accept that now. Did you say to them at the time, this is a wrong decision?

Yes. I said, stop worrying about it. Stop worrying about it. It'll be fine. And then the news breaks late Friday afternoon that they're going to take me off air, which they told publicly before they told me. But anyway, so they did that. What, you found out that you were coming off Match of the Day

through a news alert rather than the BBC? Yeah. So... What did you make of that? I wasn't that bothered, because I suspected it was coming. But at that point, I was just having late lunch and Ian Wright went public saying... Did he call you in advance?

No, but we have a group chat and the day before, and I said, this might result with them taking me off air. And he went, that's so ridiculous. And he said, if they do, I'm not doing this show. And it's one thing saying that. It's a very much different thing actually doing it. And I was in the back of a cab on the way home when that happened, and my brother's crying because that doesn't happen.

That show of support. I mean, again, that show of support, David Curtin, was actually the BBC revealing itself as a left wing activist organisation. Because remember, this is not an organisation that is focused on free speech for its presenters. Its presenters don't even believe that Nigel Farage should be given a platform. I'd love to know the last time David Curtin was hosted on the BBC. So it's nothing about free speech. It's nothing about the fact that Gary Lineker's free speech was taken away. It's about the fact that the BBC presenters believe that they should only be presenting one view of the world, and it is a hard left view of the world. And we have seen it over so many subjects, from Brexit, to the Red Wall, to the failure

of Jeremy Corbyn, to COVID, to the trans insanity. They present one view of the world. And that is why I think it has gone from previously a trusted organisation that maybe Brits could be proud of, although personally, I never signed up to that, given this was the organisation that harboured paedophile rings and actually produced the biggest paedophile in history in terms of Jimmy Savile. So I've never signed up to that old thing of oh we should be so proud of the bbc but put that to one side put that to one side at least they did make his claim in the past to representing all brits not anymore they represent one viewpoint and what the presenters like Ian Wright showed, and Ian Wright is another

hard left guy, by the way, what they showed the management is that if you mess with us, we will come off air and we will humiliate you. Yeah, I mean, it absolutely is. It's supposed to be impartial. They still protest that they're impartial when clearly they're anything but. I don't know what on earth goes through their heads when they really have two-tier broadcasting, if you like. If you have one opinion, you are allowed on, you're celebrated. But if you have another opinion, as you say, if you support Brexit, you support traditional values, you're pro-life, or you're against climate alarmism, then you are ridiculed or even no platform. So yeah, it shows here that the presenters are just

as much activists as the management. And I assume that other people working at all various levels up and down the BBC, both in London and around the country as well. I mean, the last time I was on the BBC at all was an interview that I had with BBC Radio Devon. And it was at the very early morning interview, three o'clock in the morning, after the Tiverton and Hollerton by-election, I was at the count. And, you know, I started talking about traditional values and so on. And he just basically just his line of questioning was went down this track and he ended up calling me homophobic and transphobic. And that was all he wanted out of the interview. When I was talking about every other thing that was relevant to the constituency, but they only wanted to paint me as someone who

was an undesirable person. And so that was the last time I was on the BBC. And this is why half the country is turning off from them. And they're losing hundreds of thousands of licence payers every year who are just saying, well, I'm not going to pay the license anymore because, you know, they're smearing people who've got the same views as me as all kinds of things, racist or whatever. So at the end of the day, they're going to sink because people are fed up with them. Totally. And you know what? I cannot wait for that day, David Gerson. I cannot wait for that day. It deserves to happen sooner rather than later. Now, look, do stand by, David. Much more for you in one minute.

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Obama attended both events solo amid the growing rumors of trouble in the marriage. Now Michelle has given this truly bizarre interview where she talks about the concept of marriage and the fact that if you're married for a long time, you will have years of deep unhappiness. It was clearly a dig at Barack and clearly a very honest portrayal of where the marriage currently stands, which is a bit like the Clintons, right? Or a bit like Keir Starmer and his non-existent wife, a marriage of political convenience. But what's interesting and fascinating so many in America is what is Michelle's intention given she has now decided to launch this highly personal podcast we'll get analysis from David Curtin leader of the heritage party in just one

moment but first listen to Michelle's very bizarre or some people might say honest comments about her marriage to Barack. Relationships are long and there are also ebbs and flows, right? So I think sometimes people who date don't realize that, you know, in long-term relationships, you're going to have deep, deep dips. And you're going to have a bad year. I tell people and folks think that this is harsh. It's like, you're going to have a bad decade. I tell people and folks think that this is harsh. It's like, you're going to have a bad decade. I mean, I've been married to my husband for 30 plus years. I mean, the truth is if you add it all up, even the year, if the odds were you're going to be married to your partner for

50 years and 10 of those years could be bad, you'd sign up for it you'd sign up for it you'd sign up you know and that's really how it works out now david curtain you're a very traditional guy and you believe in marriage and the sanctity of marriage so i guess you can look at this in two ways you can say well good on her for staying with bar, despite admitting the fact that she's effectively very unhappy in her life for one fifth of the time. But wouldn't the best thing to be trying to sort the marriage out? You know, I don't know about their personal circumstances at all, but actually listening to that, I mean, I'm no fan of Michelle Obama, but listening to that actually sounds quite sensible, quite rational. And, you know, it goes along with what

some people would say that, you know, it's not all about love at first sight. And you have, you know, obviously, wonderful, strong feelings when you first meet someone. But when you get married, it's a long term relationship. It's a commitment for life. And you're not always going to have a good day. Maybe you're not always even going to have a good year. But on that, you know, I would credit her for saying, we've had some bad times, we stuck together, and we're still together after 30 years. And, and she's actually had all of these rumours now saying that she's going to divorce Barack Obama, but she's come out and said, No, she's actually had all of these rumours now saying that she's going to divorce Barack Obama. But she's come out and said, no, she's not.

She's going to stick with her husband. And I guess, you know, they're going to try to work things out whenever anything goes wrong and when they do have a dip. So, you know, I would credit her for that, to be honest, in what she said there. I mean, it was certainly really honest. Don't get me wrong. If you're Barack, you're thinking,

oh, man, heck, what is she going to say every week on this podcast? And that does seem to be behind this launch, doesn't it? That podcasts now are this incredible way for political figures who used to have to do everything through the mainstream media to put their own narrative in a way where they're not necessarily asked difficult questions so she can say all of that and make it very clear that her marriage is in a bad spot without being directly asked yeah but what's happening with jennifer aniston you know has has your husband cheated on you and

and i think that gives her a certain degree of power uh i guess well it was actually when i was listening to megan kelly's show about uh this episode that megan said but come on a moment like i've been married for i think it's 20 years or something, and we haven't had one bad year. So it's not necessarily a good message to put out there to people that marriage is almost inevitably unhappy, which did seem to be what she was suggesting. Yeah, well, it's not inevitably going to be deeply unhappy. I mean, you know, people are, I would question their principles and what they're about. So, you know, perhaps the type of people being at the top of the Democrat Party on what's the podcast and she's using her podcast to talk about very, very personal things. So whereas what she said was creditable, you have to question whether it's the right thing to put something like that in the public domain anyway. better to keep those things personal and private and work out your marriage yourselves but of course they are two very very well-known people obviously the the former president and first lady um and uh so they they have a position where hundreds of millions of people are listening to them

and what they say so you know she's in a different position there. But obviously not everyone's going to be like that. And I don't wish anyone's marriage to be hard. I wish everyone's marriage to be full of joy and love and harmony. And, you know, not like that. But even if it is, you maybe have some days where you don't agree with each other. But if you love each other,

you can work through things and hopefully stay together and that makes everything much better for everybody yeah and i think another good example of that david and you could argue that uh this man has actually really popularized uh marriage again is donald trump because I'm sure there's quite a lot of his behavior that you maybe think in the past wasn't the best as a traditional guy. But obviously, he has very much found faith later in his life. And Melania has stuck by him every single step of the way. During the first term of his presidency, you saw this hunger from the mainstream media to end their marriage. I actually found it quite repulsive. They just were not going to be happy until she walked out on him. And with this term, do you remember they were trying to propagate this narrative that she wants nothing to do with him and she's going to be at Mar-a-Lago the whole time?

That has all proven to be completely untrue. And I think there are another probably better example actually of the Obamas, of a couple that has worked through their issues to be stronger than ever. And now what I find so fascinating amongst Gen Z is that there's a lot of people who are moving towards this. Well, I mean, the hashtag is TradWife, isn't it? They much prefer a Melania Trump approach to marriage than, say, a Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama approach. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you look at, you know, President Trump and Melania, it's beautiful to see,

you know, they're together, they love each other. And she goes with him to public engagements most of the time. But if she doesn't, there's no, you know, the mainstream media, like you say, are absolutely repulsive, in almost cheerleading for them to break up when actually there's nothing there and they're going to stay together. And they've got, you know, beautiful children together. Barron Trump is now, you know, 18 years old, very, very tall son that they've got there. So they've got a beautiful family. And I think that's a fantastic example, you know, a role model of a family that people are wanting to follow. Because, as you say, young people today, people have been promoted where, you know, there's endless partners and people are living non-traditional lives. It doesn't work.

Yeah, because look at showbiz, look at the chaos. You know, if you look at Kanye West or Justin Bieber or Britney Spears, and by the way, you know, they're all people who I knew in my former life and I actually have respect for all three of them, but they have been completely destroyed by the excesses of the entertainment industry. And I think a lot of Gen Z look at people like that and think, hang on a moment, there's got to be a better way.

Can I just ask you a final question though about Starmer and his relationship with his wife, Victoria, which, I mean, she's like missing Lady Victoria Starmer at the moment. Is that not a shame? Because do we not want to see a leader here in the UK have a positive marriage that could provide good role modelling? I don't think that Starmer is ever going to could provide good role modelling? I don't think that Starmer's ever going to be a good role model. Good point. He doesn't even know what a bloody woman is.

Yeah, good point. Good point. I mean, I wish them the best for their marriage, but honestly, I will always be a critic of Starmer for all the dreadful things he's done over the last few months. Me too. And maybe we've just got to understand why Lady V doesn't want to spend all too much time with him. Look, David Curtin, that has been absolutely fabulous. Such a joy to have you on Outspoken for the first time, leader of the Heritage Party. And I hope you come back very

soon. It was great. Thanks, Dan. Great to join you. And of course, we've still got today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass to come, so don't go anywhere. But before that, let me look through some of your comments. I thank you very much for the super chat from Dogboy. And welcome to Outspoken Plus, Tracy Paws. So great to have you with us. On the Starmer issue, Helen Shepard said she probably left Starmer and who would blame her because he walks hand in hand with Islam. And Steph8110 said, I'm surprised he got married. He only just found out what a woman is.

He's probably confused and disorientated. Then we've got the ongoing reform debate. Lisa wrote, the closer Farage gets to number 10, the further he stands from his original beliefs. And Pandemonium wrote, if all migration to the UK stopped completely starting in 2025 and only birth rate trends continued, English nationals like Britain would become a minority by the year 2054. And isn't that terrifying? And isn't that something that no mainstream politician is prepared to speak about? Well, I am prepared to speak about it. Demography matters. That's when I talk about demography and demographic change, that's why it matters. And the point is, you wouldn't see Japan changing their demography in that way. Likewise, you wouldn't see Saudi Arabia or Jamaica changing their demography in that way. It is

utter insanity. Okay, Greatest Britain Union Jackass time now. Your Union Jackass nominees, David Lammy, nominated by Anna Island for that old tweet where he accused the BBC of being racist for talking about the black or white chimney coming from the conclave after the death of the former Pope. Slippery Starmer nominated by Paul Wilkin for being too tear again, this time with the trans issue. And Yvette Cooper nominated by ChrisT119 for referring to the public outrage over the lack of a grooming gang inquiry as misinformation. God, I mean, what amazing choices. What amazing choices today. But I'm not surprised by the result. In third place with 10% of the vote, Yvette Cooper. The runner-up with 16% of the vote, David Lammy. But your union jackass for today with 74% of the vote, Slippery Starmer. I'm very happy about our Greatest Britain winner today. She was nominated by Plummy29, and it's Kelly J. Keene for Fighting for Women's Rights. And my god,

this woman went through a lot. She went through so much for simply pointing out biological reality, adult human female. Do you remember that billboard? Do you remember that t-shirt? Adult human female. And guess what Slippery starmer conceded today that the definition of a woman is an adult or a human female mad that we ever had to get to this point now please do sign up to my sub stack www.outspoken.life if you do you can join us on the uncancelled after show right now with angela levin we're going to discuss megan markle hilariously and awkwardly exposing herself as a really bad friend who has no idea what's going on in her so-called bff's lives in the latest car crash episode of her

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