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No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number five. And breaking right now, Prince Harry has recorded another tell-all TV interview with Woke ITV. It's yet again to try and paint him as the victim of the media. But I say this is not going to do a thing to end the Duke of Delusions flop era. Lady Colin Campbell, here to react very shortly. And remember, sign up for our uncancelled after show. That's where we come off big tech to truly unleash. And I get to speak to you because I'm very excited to say that Lady C will be with us for the entire after show tonight. And she can answer your questions too. So you just need to

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or team Suella plus this is really shocking why is Sly News trying to attack Reform UK voters as conspiracy theorists? Then, of course, the after show with Lady C. Sign up now, www.outspoken.live. Let's go. So the right has gone into meltdown since Labour's landslide win on a smaller share of the vote than what Jeremy Corbyn achieved five years ago. Now with the desolate Conservative Party that was predictable and inevitable but sorry Nigel Farage pulled a surprise today by wresting control of his party. That was with the dramatic move of sacking its deputy leader, Ben Habib, who failed to win a seat in Parliament at last week's vote. That has been an immediately

unpopular move because Ben is one of the smartest guys on the British right. And when I spoke to him last week after the result, he seemed intent to remain part of the Reform UK movement. However, there were clearly some splits going on because he was concerned, it looked like, about the party turning into some sort of personality vehicle. What has to happen for Reform UK to be able to do that? So, a number of things have to happen. Reform UK comprises a number of individuals, including myself, who've actually never held power.

We've been on the sidelines, and we've correctly pointed out, in my view, many of the problems that beset the United Kingdom, and we've come up with some really first-class ideas on how we solve them. But we now need to develop a team of people. It's got to be broad. It's got to be deep. It cannot rest on one person or a very small number of people.

And we've got to have the ability to enact and execute the vision that we have for the United Kingdom. And we've got to develop that through local councillors, local branches, democratize our own party, which at the moment is itself not a democracy, and become genuinely a serious political party. So he seemed really serious about being part of that transformation. But this morning, Ben Habib was told by Nigel Farage that things were about to change and that sparked a new civil war in the party. He was to be replaced as deputy leader by the party's former leader and chairman during the campaign, Richard Tice, who is an MP, of course, for Boston's Gagness. But Ben tweeted, I have just been informed by Nigel Farage that Richard Tice is taking over as deputy leader of the party. Consequently, I no longer hold But Ben tweeted, The key for me is that Reform UK stays true to the promises made to the British people. The movement we have created does not belong to us.

It belongs to the people. We are obliged and indebted to the British people. Now, look, the problem is that Nigel wants to shape the party around him. And let's be honest for a second. Given there may well be no reform MP in parliament without him, it does make sense. Farage is the British Trump and he wants to run things his way. In many ways, I'm all for that. But the big problem is that if the right is divided, then it doesn't help anyone. Nigel was also heralding the birth of a new political superstar

in today's announcement, installing the Muslim millionaire donor Zia Youssef, a former Tory supporter, into the role of party chairman. Now there's already been a lot of discussion within the party that he could end up being Nigel's eventual successor following his breakout performance during the campaign and this is why he was so good so nobody knows better than i the contribution that immigrants can make to britain however when my parents emigrated here in the 1980s, annual net migration to Britain was around 50,000. This meant public services were not overstretched and new arrivals could assimilate comfortably. Last year that number was 650,000.

We have lost control of our borders. We have no coherent immigration policy. And this is impacting all British people, regardless of their race or religion. And there are real consequences to this. To our young people, I say you are being betrayed. You are being robbed of a fair opportunity. Now, I think he's amazing, but I know some folk, including my next guest, Father Calvin Robinson, are concerned that Mr. Youssef is not Christian. I have to say though, I'm blown away by his oratory and by his positioning, which would certainly help to detoxify this ridiculous MSM campaign against reform. But look, what's going on within Reform UK today is child's play. Child's

play compared to the all-out civil war engulfing the Conservative Party following that record defeat last week. Two women have emerged as the main contenders to take the leadership with very different approaches to how they want to approach Farage. CCHQ stooge Kemi Budenak says he has no place in the Tories and rules out any deal, while the bold Suala Braverman wants to return the party to true conservative values and is very open to a Farage deal. Of course, the wets in the party like Ian Dale, who should just go and join the Lib Dems, are completely freaking out, insisting that Suella must be stopped and she's some sort of homophobe. the Eye newspaper has reported she's lost all her

mates and they say even the gays. Well, not me. Not me. Soella hasn't lost me. I mean, I'm thinking she's the only leadership contender who right now is speaking the truth and is prepared to make some of the bold decisions needed. Meanwhile, Kemi is engaging in personal warfare with a leak from a brutal Shadow Cabinet meeting, revealing she claims Suella was, wait for it, having a nervous breakdown. Not only completely untrue, but below the belt dirty politics. Trying to shield herself from the blame as usual, Kemi tweeted, It's a shame our discussions in shadow cabinet were leaked yesterday. If there is no private space to discuss our party's challenges, we will never fully address what the electorate told us

last week. The views of those outside these meetings matter too. Not just backbench MPs, but our party activists, members and friends who lost seats after giving everything to the campaign. In government, we had too much nodding along in the room and arguments outside it. That culture needs to change. We need to be honest with each other in private and united in the direction we take afterwards. But Suella, she wasn't having it. So she retweeted Kemi's post, but she added these words. I'd be interested in knowing whether Kemi thinks I'm having a very public nervous breakdown. Hashtag honesty. Hashtag unity. Hashtag we don't leak. Good on her. Good on Superwoman Suella. Look, there's no nervous breakdown in being honest about why Kemi Badenoch's Tories were beaten

to a pulp by Labour and Reform UK at the ballot box last week. If MPs decide to pass over Suala yet again, refusing the membership of vote when she is the most popular candidate amongst the grassroots, I do believe many people will quit on the spot and go and join Reform UK. Maybe that isn't a bad thing. What I will say is that it's all to play for. Now, the aforementioned Kelvin Robinson is today's outsider. Kelvin, so good to have you back.

It is all kicking off on the right of British politics. But I really want to start with Reform UK, Kelvin, because what do you make of this pretty brutal decision to sack Ben Habib by Nigel Farage after he stayed a very loyal deputy from the Brexit party days into the reform days? Incredibly brutal, and that is the right word i was in ben habib's office not yesterday the day before and he was right in that moment writing plans and ideas to help faraj take the party forward uh he was very much in favor of democracy ben habib's stance is that the party will only survive if it becomes a party it cannot be the dictatorship of nigel

farage it cannot be at the wh Nigel Farage. It cannot be at the whims of one man. It has to be a membership where people can join, they can have a say, and it become a movement far larger than a demagogue. And Benhabib was putting all this forward in a very sensible way. And it's a shame that not only has he been fired, but he had to find out in this way, in that a multimillionaire has just stepped in, dropped a load of cash and been promoted to chairman. Therefore, Richard Tice has been demoted down. Richard Tice doesn't care, from chairman to deputy leader. And therefore, Ben Habib is no longer the deputy leader.

And he has to find out like the rest of us on social media. It's absolutely astonishing the way Farage is treating his team. But this isn't the first time. Let's not forget, the reason Nigel Farage is an MP right now, along with the 20 years of campaigning he's done, is because in this specific instance, in this country, he said, no, I will not run. No, I will not run. I'm going to America, far more important. I'm going to help with my friend Donald Trump in America. I will not stand for election in the UK. And then Tommy Robinson, Lawrence Fox, Carl Benjamin, and to a lesser degree myself, are part of a rally on the 1st of June, tens of

thousands of British patriots come out and start a movement, a very powerful movement of patriots, of people who say enough is enough, with the wokeness, with the Islamification of Britain, with people degrading our values and our way of life and say we're building a political movement and then that like two days after that Farage comes and announces oh okay I am running after all I will he wants to get ahead of this movement he wants to own it claim it and this is what he does he does it every single time but the problem is in that instance he didn't tell anyone either he didn't tell anyone within his party no No one knew. He called a press meeting, had a statement, said, I am now taking over the party.

But he can do that because he is the majority shareholder in what's not a party. It's a company, a limited company. And so he just pushed Richard Tice aside. Again, Richard Tice doesn't care. He's fine because he's in Parliament. He's happy with this. He wants to be part of the establishment.

Yeah, and in fairness to Richard Tice, he knew that they needed nigel back in order to have that electorate electoral success i guess the counter argument calvin is that the last days of ukip were messy and nigel and richard believe that they learned lots of lessons from that about the best way to run a political party. And while I know it upsets many folk, the media, the mainstream media is after them, after them for the most ridiculous things. And so I guess Richard and Nigel are taking an approach of, well, we're not taking any risks. We're going to be whiter than white.

They are, but to their own detriment, because some of the lessons they should have learned from ukip and they did mess up massively messed up ukip ukip is is still recovering from the left mess that he left behind but one of the lessons he's taken away is that he doesn't want to have to answer to anyone there's no accountability he doesn't want to have to consult, doesn't want to have to hear, listen to members. He just wants to make all the decisions. And now he has a party structure, a company structure where he can do that. But you are right, he is being attacked by the media and he will continue to be attacked by the media. But one thing you and I know is you can never feed the crocodile. And this is what he's doing. He's trying to play the left at their game by installing a Mohammedan as the chairman of the party. the party he's saying look we're not anti-islam we're not racist we're not x y look at us look we've got a brown friend essentially it's that

old trope isn't it i'm not racist some of my best friends are black this is essentially what niger fraud is trying to do you can't play that game you've got to rise above that game because they will defeat you in another way okay so let's move on to zia yusuf because we disagree on on this guy your take is what that because he is not christian he can't properly represent the values that reform uk should be standing up for somewhat but also not just because he's not Christian, but because he is a Mohammedan. He is a follower of Mohammed. And I truly believe that Islam is a word that I would use because it means a true believer of God. And I don't believe they are true believers of God. But Islam is an anti-Christian and anti-British faith. You know, it's a faith of conquering, it's a faith of taking over dominating lands and either reverting, as they call it, converting,

or killing infidels. And we are the infidels. The Christians, the native Brits are the infidels. And so people say, yeah, he's a moderate, though he's not an Islamist. But if he follows the faith, which teaches you are to conquer and kill, then, you know, he follows the faith. And I think that's, we have to address the problem in Islam in this country. You know, there are so many problems with it. Of course, Pakistani Muslim raping gangs, groom gangs, whatever you want to call them, are part of that problem, but not the whole of the problem. Essentially, this country is facing a cultural identity crisis where we have to say, do we want to remain a fundamentally Christian country where people can either be

Christian or not Christian, worship whatever God they choose, or do we want to become an Islamic country, which we very well may be. And if we become a predominantly islamic country we will not have the freedom of worship that we have known and loved up until this point because no country that's predominantly islamic has true freedom of worship in the way that we have successfully held to in britain and i think having him as the party leader shows that they are not willing to challenge they didn't mention grim against once they haven't mentioned these things and it's becoming clear why because he is the man paying the money he's the money man behind the party and so therefore they're compromised actually although there's absolutely no sense from what I've seen of Zia Youssef that he's anything other

than an incredible patriot and I wanted to play you uh this, Calvin, where he, I think, summed up why he is such an exciting orator and actually could be. See, I view him, Calvin, a bit like the Jordan Bardella figure to Marine Le Pen. He is a potential successor to Farage and someone who could take the party even more to the mainstream. So this is what he had to say about British history and slavery at that rally in Birmingham just before the election. Not only did Britain invent the common law principles that gave birth to the United States, to Canada, to Australia, that does not begin to tell the story of just how much Britain has done to make the world a better, freer place. Great Britain was the first global power to abolish the slave trade, all the way back

all the way back in 1807 when our Parliament passed the Slave Trade Act. Upon passing this law, Britain formed a new Royal Navy Squadron, the West Africa Squadron. We dispatched it to patrol the high seas and enforce this ban on the slave trade. His Majesty's Royal Navy, the mightiest navy the world Has ever seen Face down the slave ships And forced them to Comply I mean come on Calvin

You're inspired by that right It could be you It could be really one of my speeches Absolutely we agree on a lot of things But it's about priorities right And we're seeing a massive call of people in this country we've got five islamists that are being elected into parliament massive call of people in this country that want sharia want islamic law in this land and my

question is where do his lord is like yes he may see our past is great he may talk about british values as a good thing but is he an islam is he a muhammadan first or is he a brit first but can't we have that discussion with him calvin because wouldn't it be really unwise to to try and turn off good muslims and say you're not welcome in reform uk don't they almost have to be part of the movement if we're going to this country i would love for him to be welcome as part of reform i welcome anyone as part of reform. I welcome anyone as part of any political party. My problem is that he's the chairman.

You said yourself, they're lining him up to be the next leader. If the leader of the centre-right party in this country is going to be Mohammedan, then where are we? Where are the people that are concerned about Islam as one of the greatest threats facing our country? It's a problem. I can't vote for reform with him as the chairman. I had to hold my nose to vote for reform in the last election anyway but i voted on based on my local

candidates i will not be voting for them again while he's in the leadership and this is and that is a problem that is a problem because the right has to be united to win because i believe reform uk can win in 2029 i was saying uh weeks before the election, I think Nigel Farage has a really good chance and actually can be prime minister in 2029. But it is critical that the right is united. And I am worried about what's happened with Ben Habib today. He's a good man. And I don't think he deserved to be thrown under the bus.

And I think it could have just been done a lot more artfully. But look, Calvin, the MSM continue to try and attack reform uk now claiming that reform uk voters are conspiracy theorists watch this ridiculous investigation from the awful sly news particularly for conspiracy theorists and nationalist groups now we worked with an open source intelligence agency called pros to's more than 900 telegram accounts connected to conspiracy theories. Between them, they have more than 15 million followers, although some of those may be double counted. Now, this shows the volume of chatter around the start of the general election. You can see this is around Labour and Conservatives, a big spike here when it's announced. But it's fairly,

you know, they're not that interested as it happens. But then something else happens and we bring in reform. Particularly, you can see that in the light blue there because this huge spike. This huge spike is when this man over here, Nigel Farage, announces that he's going to be a candidate. He returns as leader of reform. Now, some people saw this as an opportunity to recruit, as in this group. They've come, they've mimicked the reform banners there. And then you've got other things like this. Whether it's Dems or nones, we'll still be posting about Q, which is a conspiracy theory, and tying it all into Reform UK. Anyway, so they're trying to get...

What do you make of that, Calvin? That's hilarious, isn't it? How sad our sly news. This investigation to anonymous accounts online. I'm sure they did an investigation into people that are voting for Labour and people that vote for the Conservative Party too. I'm sure they did. What about all the Islamic extremists within the Green Party, Calvin? We're just ignoring them now, aren't we?

Exactly. They don't care. What this is, it's clearly an attack on the centre-right. They hate the centre-right. They hate the right. Anything right of Marx, they hate. And it's becoming very clear that the media is very much part of the establishment gone are the days when the mainstream media used to hold the establishment to account these days they are part of it they're in that circle and they want to protect what is theirs it's a great shame because they should be doing a good job sly news used to do a good job when they were called sky news but these days not. Indeed. And the conspiracy theorist term, Calvin, it's dead. I refuse to use it anymore.

Actually, I don't necessarily agree with everything that is described as a conspiracy theory, but I want to hear about it. I want to be awake to it. I want to do my own research. And I'm talking about loads of conspiracy theories, whether it's 9-11 or whether it's the theory that Brigitte Macron is actually a man, not a woman. I want to hear about it. I want to look into it because we have been lied to so much. As I say, it doesn't mean i believe these theories but i'm not going to call the people who propagate them conspiracists and also we've reached a point where you can't ask

questions anymore so i put out a tweet the other day saying i want to know about chemtrails i want to know what they are they exist you know me too people said oh they don't there's no such thing as chemtrails they're contrails and i'm like well i don't know this is why i'm asking the question and people try to shut me down you're put your tinfoil hat on oh my gosh calvin don't there's no such thing as chemtrails they're contrails and i'm like well i don't know that's why i'm asking the question and people try to shut me down you're put your tinfoil hat on oh my gosh calvin don't go down that path like why what's down that path i want to know what's down the path maybe there's nothing maybe it's all made up or maybe there is something going on in our skies that's affecting us in some way whether it's geoengineering or or whatever but if there is i would like to know absolutely because the point is

coming we cannot just trust now what we are fed by officials what we are fed by the woke blob and what we are fed by the msn because do you remember jacinda ardern's ministry of truth during covid 19 well it was the ministry of lies and it caused absolute catastrophe for so many people. Calvin, look, breaking right now, a bit of news while we've been on air, another departure at Reform UK. Dr. David Bull, who was the deputy leader, has just tweeted, I'm delighted to hand over the role of deputy leader to my friend and colleague Richard Tice, who will do an amazing job. I'm now going to concentrate on my media career while giving the party all the support I can. And he is returning to his job as a presenter on Talk TV.

So big shake up going on. What's your reaction to David Bull? David Bull, nice guy, but again, not someone I would want to vote for. I remember David Bull and Richard Tice quite heavily in favor of vaccine mandates and you and i were campaigning heavily against it at the time i think it was an unwise decision for him to make but again he's a nice guy to get on with so it's a shame that he's been pushed out and edged out in this way this is another reason i want to see more of party structure at reform and less of a corporation structure let's get some democracy internally, please. But Kelvin, as I say,

it's way more dirty and way more nasty within the Conservative Party. What do you make of Kemi Badenoch suggesting that Suella Bradford is having a public nervous breakdown simply because she's putting out Conservative principles into the world?

Oh, I struggle. I have to laugh because otherwise it's quite sad because the conservative party has naturally been the party of government and they've lost that yet they still hold on to a sense of entitlement they still feel many of them still feel like they should be in government they haven't quite realized why we the voters got rid of them yet and uh i won't name any names but people have been saying oh we need to launch lurch to the center it's the center ground where we win elections but one person hasn't one mp has said no we need to call a spade a spade and that's samuela braveman and she has been saying i mean

she was in matcon this week put out really good speech um just calling a spade a spade and people have attacked her in the party in her own party oh, you're going too far. This is strong rhetoric. And even going so far as to say she may be having a very public mental breakdown, which I think is a very uncounted thing to say privately or publicly, if it's not true. But what it shows is there's a massive denial within the party, but also a fight, a fight for the leadership. And what I like about Suella is she's gone all in. So this is clearly a political move. She's saying, I'm going to go fully Conservative, and then if they back me, great.

If I become leader, great. I'll take the party to the next election and we'll have a shot at winning. But if they don't back me, then I'll go to Reform. I think that's essentially what Suella is showing, that I think if the party don't elect her as leader, she will leave the party and potentially end up in the Reform Party and therefore be able to be fully Conservative. But I don't think she's going to get the backing. I really don't. But there are too many whets. I agree. I completely agree. But I think it could be the end of the party, Calvin. New polling out from JL Partners for GB News last night found that Braverman would beat each of her potential opponents in the final two contests put to Conservative members.

She beats Badenoch 35% to 31%, Tom Tugendhat 37% to 31%, James Cleverley 39% to 34%. Robert Jenrick, who the Wets sort of view as an acceptable right winger, wouldn't beat any of them. But look, I don't even believe that it's that close. I honestly, Kelvin, I honestly believe if Suella Braverman is on the final ballot of Conservative members, she will walk it. So as a result, the MPs will not allow her to be on that final ballot. She would, and we've been here before. The reason that we had Rishi Sunak as

the Prime Minister is because the blob wanted him so badly. And this is why they denied the membership of vote on Suella and or Kemi at the time, actually. And the right of the party, if you remember, was split between Kemi and Suella. And I was helping one of them at the time trying to build their team. And I remember talking to people internally. So there are certain groups within the Tory party, the Common Sense Group, the European Reform Group, and all these different groups. And some of them were saying,

look, we cannot back Kemi Badlock because she's supported by Michael Gove and he is Machiavellian. We don't trust him. We don't like what he's doing. And then others were saying, well, we're backing Suella. Why do you get Kemi to join Suella? And then others were saying,

we'll get Suella to join Kemi. And eventually, anyway, the right splintered. And what we ended up with was Liz Truss versus Rishi Sunak, because the blob thought, well, of course we'll beat Liz Truss, of course we will. But they didn't, because the party membership did not want Rishi Sunak like the parliamentary party did. And of course we elected,

we selected Liz Truss as party leader. I was fortunate enough to vote for her as party leader, but of course the blob did not want her because they wanted Rishi, so they got rid of her. So we've been here before. The party membership will not get to vote on the candidate that they would like because the parliamentary party is entitled,

they do not understand, they're disconnected from the British public as well as the party membership and they will manoeuvre to get the chap or chapess that they want in. So I don't think Sola has a chance of even getting onto the ballot paper for the that they want in. So I don't think Sola has a chance of even getting onto the ballot paper for the membership vote, unfortunately. But hopefully, they'll at least drag this process

out to conference so that... I won't get a vote because I've been expelled, obviously, but members will get a vote or get a conversation at conference. Calvin, I had to ask you about this. Final word today on the Daily Mail, well and truly going woke. What has happened to my old newspaper?

Well, I did see the signs actually. So look at this article that they released about a bacheloresque contestant. I'd never heard of him called Josh Sita. And he seems to have slapped some lippy on. And see there, Calvin, they say, she looks so beautiful. Clearly, they're being ridiculed. But the Daily Mail's gone woke, hasn't it? The Daily Mail's gone woke. It has, unfortunately. I thought this chap was just having a chat. I thought he was mocking.

I thought he was a troll. But it looks like the Daily Mail have taken him seriously. But this is not the first time. Was it last week or the week before they said, oh, Eddie Izzard shows off her toned legs in a pair of tiny denim shorts as she hops on a boris bike in london no eddie is on is a bloke and he's not that toned either why they wouldn't do that about a woman why are they doing it about a man it's i don't know what's happened they tried to get me to call sam smith they and I just didn't believe in that.

So I guess there was the sign that this was coming. By the way, can we just have a quick look at that picture again? Because I think, I don't know if I should be flattered or not, Calvin, but some people say it looks a bit like me if I was to wear some lippy. But honestly, look, this guy's a joker. This Josh Seater's a joker. I reckon this is probably, he's seen what Dylan Mulvaney did

and he's thought, I can become famous on the back of doing this. It's a publicity stunt and shame on the Daily Mail for denigrating real women by describing that guy as a she. Absolutely. You know what they did recently, the big rally

I was talking about on June the 1st, the Daily Mail called all the supporters there Tommy Robinson football hooligans. Oh, I saw that. That was outrageous. The Daily Mail should be on our side. What are they doing? Yeah, well, I think they're lost. Honestly, I think they're lost now. Calvin Robinson,

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Lady, you see Aurora's there? Yes. Let me bring her in. Oh, I miss her. Hello, Dan. How are you? Really good. Really, really good, actually.

Very excited to be going with Outspoken Live, getting amazing support. And I'm so delighted to have you back. It feels a little bit like old times, Lady C. Oh, isn't that wonderful? It is. And I'm very excited about your summer ball next week, I have to say. Thank you very much. Yes, it will. I think it's going to be very nice, Dan. And I gather it's going to be good., Dan. And I doubt it's going to be good. So fingers crossed it will be good. Oh, please, because it's been a terrible summer.

And Lady C, you're raising money for a really important charity this year as well. Care for Veterans, yeah. It was started by Queen Alexandra. And it was moved from Surrey down to Worthing, I suppose, in the 1920s or 30s. So it's really a local charity. And they do wonderful work for, you know, veterans who need, for whatever reason, to be cared for. It's marvellous, marvellous. Well, I'm delighted to support it.

But, Lady C, big breaking royal news. Another TV tell-all from Prince Harry with ITV. Look, he also going to feature Hugh Grant and Charlotte Church. And it's all about phone hacking, Lady C. But the issue is this is something that happened well over 10 years ago. It's already been dealt with criminally. And I don't think this is going to curry favor with the public and get Prince Harry out of what's now being described even by the Guardian newspaper, Lady C, as his flop era. What do you make of it? Oh, dear. Well, it's opportunistic. It is an attempt to muzzle people. Remember, he's not in favour of freedom of speech, nor is Hugh Grant, nor is Hatloff, nor is David Sherborne.

Of course, doubtless, if David Sherborne gets freedom of speech curtailed, he will then jump on the bandwagon of having the rules reversed so that he can make some more money for himself. I think it's a very cynical and opportunistic exercise. And the fact of the matter is all of this was done and dusted years ago. And why is it being brought up again? It's only being brought up again because they are crass opportunists and they are using something to really beat a dead horse. But they're hoping that the horse, if it's beaten enough, will revive and jump back into life. But let's remember, Harry has also been called out by Mr. Justice Van Court for suppressing evidence. And this is a very serious matter because he signed a statement of truth that was clearly untrue. And his lawyers had to have known that it is their responsibility, not his, their responsibility to provide the evidence and to make sure that their client does. When I was sewing the mirror, my lawyers came down here and they spent from early in the morning

to late at night going through my phones, my emails, and, you know, anything that comes up is supposed to be, as a part of the discovery process, is supposed to be handed over. So, I mean, Harry could actually end up, I don't think he will, but there is a potential, if he were an ordinary person, to end up in very serious trouble. Well, the thing is is what has emerged in court is really worrying and obviously these are claims being made by the lawyers operating on behalf of news group newspapers which publish the sun but remember harry's lawyer sherbourne who you refer to

has actually had to admit to some of it Lady C and what we know as a fact okay this is what we know as a fact I think there's probably much more of a cover-up going on but I've got to be careful about that but what we know as an absolute proven fact is that Harry deleted all of the messages between him and the ghost writer of Spare even though the legal action had already been launched at that time, Lady C, and he had been told to preserve all of the evidence. Then there are these two hard drives containing evidence, and Harry tells the court, they're missing. We don't know where they are. They've been lost. All of a sudden, they're discovered, Lady C. And where are they discovered?

One in his Montecito mansion, the second in his attorney's office in California. So to me, something stinks about all of this. Well, not only that, Dan, the fact of the matter is any writer does not throw away his or her notes. So J.R. Moehringer would have everything. And that's the writer of Spare, by the way. That's the ghost writer of Spare. Yeah, yeah. And Penguin Random House would have to have it and have to

keep it in case there was going to be litigation down the line. So these things were never ever, you know, it was a try on by Harry. And the fact of the matter is that his lawyers allowed it to happen, and they are therefore complicit as well. The whole thing seems to have just a contempt for the legal process, for the rights of their opponents, and it shows a degree of arrogance that borders on the insane.

I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. But Lady C, I also want to talk about ITV within all of this, because what has happened to that broadcaster? I mean, you know, Lady C, I worked for them for 10 years. I know you've done a lot of work with them in the past. You've appeared on some of their biggest programming. But ladies see, they are now just a propaganda vehicle for the Sussexes. They have thrown out any sense of journalistic integrity. All of these interviews are stitched up with the deals done by Tom Bradby, who is the main presenter of ITV News. That's after Prince William ended his friendship with him because it was so obvious that he was siding with Harry and Meghan and often reporting untruths just to please Harry and Meghan. And I

bet Rebecca Barry, look, we haven't seen the interview yet. It airs on July the 25th on ITV, and I will admit if I'm wrong, but I bet Rebecca Barry hasn't asked Prince Harry about the missing evidence, for example. So what happened to ITV? Why have they become propagandists for Prince Harry and Meghan? Three words. Dame Caroline McCall. And she's the chief executive, right? She's the chief executive,

and she is so woke that she obviously has never closed her eyes, much less gone to sleep. I actually crossed swords with her over an interview that I became a victim of, let's put it that way. It ended up with me having to sue the newspapers

about it. And they're very lucky that they sort of just wriggled their way out of it. And I mean, she could have behaved honorably and chose to behave, in my opinion, dishonorably. The woman is extremely woke and, you know, she will curry favor wherever it leads as long as it is gauche. She is gauche in every way. And to those of you who don't speak French, gauche in French is left.

So she's very left. And ladies, we also have to remind everyone that she has a direct personal relationship with Megan because when Piers Morgan left ITV after he accused Megan of lying during the Oprah Winfrey interview, which by the way is a proven fact, it was Megan who had personally emailed Carolyn McCall. Carolyn McCall demanded that Piers Morgan go on air to apologize. He refused and quit instead. So we know there are personal back-channel communications going on between Meghan and Carolyn McCall. And certainly in my case, when I was working on The Lorraine Show, there was a lot of pressure being put on by Tom Bradby to try and shut me up and stop me talking about Megan too. Well, yes, because of course Tom

Bradby has made a lot of money and got himself very popular. And I think it's really rather sad because Tom Bradby is actually, aside from this one error of judgment, he's actually a good journalist.

Well, he's a good interviewer. Let's put it that way. He's a good, he's personable and he's presentable. But, you know, let's see what happens, Dan, because the fact of the matter is that, you know, I think they are on the losing side of history and of the developing story, because every day Harry and Meghan lose more supporters. So Tom Bradby is making himself a lot of money. He's getting himself a very enviable placement in ITV. But he is ultimately, I think, throwing away his career because he is going to end up being associated

with Flotsam and Jetsam. Totally. And what has he lost, Lady C? he has lost a relationship with the future king of england who by the way granted tom bradby the only interview he's ever given with catherine the princess of wales about their relationship it was their engagement interview and he has walked away from that relationship and i think it says a lot about tom bradby actually because william expected loyalty and i think william deserved a degree of loyalty i don't actually think dan but tom bradley walked away from the relationship my understanding is that is that william axed him quicker than you could say on the grounds of disloyalty and

treachery. So, you know, I think Tom Bradby made a choice. Good point. And he was making a popular choice. And I think he thought he was choosing a wisely. I don't think he's chosen wisely for the long term. I think honesty, decency and the truth are always preferable to mealy mouth sucking up. And, you know, one only needs to see the way previous propagandists have gone to know that they flourish for a while, their lies are swallowed by their followers, and then they crash and burn. Totally. Totally. And I mean, ladies say it's not like things are going well for Harry on any level. I want to show you a couple of headlines that have been published

in the past couple of days. The Spectator first ran this article saying, has America had enough of Prince Harry? And then The Guardian. This was the most shocking because The Guardian is the left-wing newspaper that has supported Harry and Meghan through everything. And they are now saying that Harry and Meghan are in their flop era. And this decision, Lady C, for Harry to accept the Pat Tillman Award at the SB, at the SBs, which is ESPN's big awards, has gone down like a cup of old sick and a cup of old cold sick. And when you think that Pat Tillman's mother herself has said that Harry shouldn't accept this award. When you think that Lord West has said that Prince Harry shouldn't accept this award, surely he must not accept this award.

Well, surely maybe he shouldn't, but I would be very surprised if he doesn't. You know's some people are shameless and i hate to say it but harry has developed a shamelessness that he never used to possess but then he's he's supped with the devil with a very short spoon and he's the art of shamelessness from her so you think he'll accept i mean she has absolutely no shame whatsoever no we know that we do know that don't we and and i mean what's going on with her filming? Is she still pursuing this Netflix show, from what we understand? You know, Dan, have you not noticed there are four, five and six stories a day,

every single day, emanating from them them and have been for some time now. And it's very difficult to actually know what to rely upon until it actually happens. I mean, who, you know, Megan is not a chef megan is not a gardener uh incidentally by the way speaking about that somebody who lives in montecito told me strawberries can't and don't grow in montecito so it really is scam jam. Exactly. Somebody told me, they said strawberries can't and don't grow in Mont... And this is from somebody who lives in Montecito. That is hilarious.

But, you know, whether, the reality, whether or not she has filmed anything, who's going to watch it But people don't want to be instructed or involved with or entertained by somebody who's unlikable. And Meghan has proven herself to be extremely unlikable on both sides of the Atlantic. I mean, when the Guardian is telling you, and you know, so many left-wing entities in the United States have started to put the boot in, not always consistently, but they have been putting the boot in, you know. So, for instance, you have one day a very positive story about them, then another day a negative story in the morning and a positive one in the afternoon but it's they are a busted flush my understanding is that netflix is has been desperate to try to retrieve some of its investment and save

some of its face. Ted Sarandos, I have been told, is the one who has been preventing Meghan and Harry from being booted out altogether. And of course, he has the influence and he has the power as long as he occupies the position he does yes because what did megan do what did megan do she befriended his wife and we saw them at the beyonce concert together it's very difficult to sack your friend isn't it so we know what she's done there she's effectively used the wife to make it impossible for ted sarandos to sack them because it was based on commercial numbers they would be sacked by now you've forgotten that the wife is accomplished woman of colour. And, you know, I'm Jamaican, so I can say

this in a way that maybe you can't. The fact of the matter is that it is standard across the board with people of colour to support each other, even when they know they shouldn't. That's why Zuma and Mugabe were able to get away with what they got away with for the length of time they got away with it. And it is standard across the board, but only with some people, and usually with people of color who are influential, but people below that level,

they vote with their conscience and they assess via character. And Meghan is extremely unpopular in many areas of the colored world because people know her for what she is. Most people of color are very family orientated it's it's a done thing that they are and therefore for megan to be so destructive of not one family but three families her paternal family her her maternal family, and the royal family.

And this is something that people are aware of. And, you know, so I think the whole business functions on more than one level. And Harry and Meghan would like us to believe that their position is secure and that they are admired. Their position is very increasingly insecure and they are anything but admired. But it's like a smoke and mirrors act and it's, you know, trying to deny the undeniable. So you have all the all different PR people trying to make out that they are still a valuable commodity. They are, I understand, a value less commodity. And they're hanging on by the skin of their teeth at Netflix. And let me for how much longer?

Because Ted Sarandos can only keep that pot boiling for so long before the water runs out. And then the pot will catch on fire and burn down the kitchen. And he is going to find that he is in trouble. So, you know, shareholders will only accept so much of influence peddling and preferential treatment for buddies. And money wasting. Now, let me say, it's really interesting because something has happened with the mainstream media, though, because if you look at the Nigerian tour, for example, lots of folk on the ground in Nigeria said it was a disaster.

You know, Nigeria's first lady, Olorimi Tenubi, she made a very thinly veiled attack on Meghan in the days after the tour. But if you were reading the British MSM, like the Daily Mail and GB News, you would think it had been a big success. So why is the MSM in the UK all of a sudden giving Harry and Meghan this positive coverage that they don't deserve? Are they scared? Is it about the threat of legal warfare? What's going on? I don't think they're scared. I think they're crass opportunists and variety is the spice of life. They can't trash Meghan and Harry constantly, otherwise people would lose interest. So it's variable reinforcement. On the one hand, they build them up, then they rip them down, then they build them up back, then they rip them down. They do this with many different people, you know, but with Harry and Meghan, because they

are really a great story, they have to keep the interest going with various can't be negative they can't speak the truth constantly as robert jobson said to me in 1992 when we had lunch at brasserie san canto and i said I said to him, I said, Robert, you know, why do you people tell such flagrant lies about Diana when you know what she is? And he said, well, you know, Georgie, if we spoke the truth, the public wouldn't like her.

And that's it. I think the mainstream media is not speaking the truth. They are, you know, Dan, they're cynical enough to go with whatever is going to enhance their bank account. Very true. Very true. Now, ladies, see, in the past, you've reported some fascinating information regarding Megan and her relationship with the Californian governor, Gavin Newsom, and the fact that she's desperately trying to ingratiate herself within democratic circles.

What are you hearing at the moment, given that there is a complete crisis engulfing the Democratic Party, who have decided far too late, holy crap, we've got to get rid of Joe Biden. And all of a sudden Newsom is a genuine contender to be the Democratic nominee. Is Meghan trying to get involved in all of this in any way, from what you're hearing? Well, she can try all she wants. I don't think she's going to be succeeding. My understanding was that Gavin Newsom stopped taking her calls. Really? Because they were close for a period, weren't they? Or he at least entertained her, put it that way. Well, yes, but I mean, you know, he is a Getty boy. assist her. And the Getty family got in touch with me

and said, this is going on and we don't like what's going on and we want you to be aware of it. And I said it on my channel. And, you know, that sort of scuppered to an extent Megan's ambitions slightly. But also Gavin Newsom, to an extent, Megan's ambitions slightly. But also Gavin Newsom, he was not going to have Megan parachuted in as the substitute for Dianne Feinstein, which is what Megan was hoping.

Because, of course, if she had been parachuted in to be the substitute for the remainder of the term, she stood a very good chance of being re-elected as the governor for California. And, sorry, the R-Senator for California. And he had already airmarked it to a genuine woman of color. But Gavin Newsom is very unpopular in California people have been leaving California in droves oh yeah it's gone up drug addiction is everywhere homelessness drug addicts sleeping on the street uh and you know taxes sky high it's people have been leaving in joe's because they think you well you know the expression go woke go broke california

woke with him and and it's in many ways it's a busted. So I think if people want to elect Trump, please encourage that Gavin Newsom be the substitute. Very good point, especially with a supporter like Meghan Markle. I did just want to ask you about this Fox News report this week, Lady C, that Prince William has put an absolute ban on Prince Harry's return to the royal family. I mean, we've been reporting that for months, haven't we? Yes, we have. Well, Dan, we've been saying it for ages, and they're finally coming around to it, you know.

William and Catherine, I was told, as you know, some time ago, take a very stern view of the way things went. They're the ones who did not Harry and Meghan losing Frogmore Cottage because of the proximity of the properties, because it's too accessible. And, you know, it's much easier for a sibling to cut all ties with a treacherous sibling and have nothing to do with him ad infinitum than it is for a parent to cut ties permanently with a child because the relationships are different. And Catherine, of course, picked up very early on that Meghan was poison. Now, why Catherine picked up that Meghan was poison is that aside from the over-familiarity and the faintness of it all, and that we're going to be best friends and, you know, we're bothled, you know, and the floony baloney trying to create links where none existed. Catherine was bullied very badly at school and had to leave the school.

And I was bullied at school as well. Me too. Well, then you know, once you've been bullied, you spot a bully a mile off. Even if you are not conscious at the point of observation that somebody is a bully, you have picked up that there's something radically wrong with them. You don't want to know. You recoil.

You withdraw. So then, with the passage of time, they came to realize that Meghan was a bully. But Catherine was picking up the reality of Meghan because Catherine was bullied and Meghan is a bully. And Meghan is a dominatrix. And Catherine does not like being dominated. And Catherine is a very decisive personality she's no pushover she is an extremely decisive personality and so I think from the word she evidently recoiled from her but Harry more or less says it and but but i understand that she recoiled from her but then went through the motions of trying to be nice but every time she tried to be nice something happened to actually

ratify her original observations which with the passage of time were shown to be absolutely dead accurate. And as we all know now, everybody at Buckingham Palace knew that Meghan was a bully, you know. So I don't think there's, and also let's not forget as well that I was contacted by people from Givenchy about the dress fitting where when Meghan's behaviour towards Charlotte was so astonishing and Catherine had just had a baby. Exactly, making Charlotte cry during the bridesmaid fitting.

Yeah. And then, making Charlotte cry during the bridesmaid fitting. Yeah. And then, and Charlotte, and you may forgive what somebody does to you, but you never forgive what somebody does to your child. Not your little girl. I think the combination of all that has happened has meant that William and Catherine don't want to have anything to do with Meghan, not only for themselves and for the monarchy, but to protect their children. And they're quite right, because look at how Meghan has actually set out to harm the institution of the monarchy. And, you know, if she were allowed back in,

and if she were even superficially, on superficially but not rare cordial terms, with William and Catherine, it would only be a matter of time before she was creating more and causing more problems. And they also are very aware of mental health. And they are aware of the issues involving personality disorders. And they are aware of the fact that there's a certain type of personality that you cannot allow into your life because if you do it's going to rebound adversely it is it's been finito for a long time and it will remain finito forever. And if it turns out that for some reason down the line they have to have the basic facade, which I don't see happening, by the way,

the basic facade of civility, it will be absolutely measured for the 10 or 20 minutes that they're together and they will skin their teeth and walk off afterwards their relationship is done and dusted and i understand it's never going to be revised i think you're completely right look let me see stand by don't go anywhere because in just one minute we're going to be back with you on our uncancelled after show to continue the second half of our conversation. It's very important to me, by the way, that we have a safe space not patrolled by big tech where censorship and control runs deep. So that's why we have www.outspoken.live.

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