Dan Wootton Outspoken - LEFTIE MELTDOWN OVER FARAGE/MUSK WITH REFORM UK MP RUPERT LOWE & UKIP LEADER NICK TENCONI

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

 Axel Rudakubana has today pleaded not guilty of killing three beautiful young girls in the Southport Massacre at a Taylor Swift dance class last summer. But still the MSM and establishment remain silent when it comes to challenging Slippery Starmer and Yvette Cooper on what they knew when. The Reform UK MP Rupert Lowe leading the charge for transparency over the tragedy joins Outspoken live. He’ll also react to the leftie meltdown over Elon Musk’s major meeting with Reform UK’s Nigel Farage and Nick Candy at Mara-a-lago earlier this week. Dan will reveal what they both told him in his Digest next. PLUS: UKIP leader Nick Tenconi joins Dan live to discuss whether it’s time for the right to unite. AND: The latest in his battle with Talk TV over Tommy Robinson. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: P-Dina with the latest on Prince Andrew in exile and – whoops – Meghan Markle officially becoming the most disliked celebrity in the world in 2024. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Reform UK MP Rupert Lowe has been leading the charge for transparency over the tragedy and he joins me live on the show today. He'll also react to the lefty meltdown over Elon Musk's major meeting with Reform UK's Nigel Farage and Nick Candy at Mar-a-Lago earlier this week, I'll tell you what both Nick and Nigel told me last night in my digest next. Also coming up on the show today, UKIP leader Nick Tenkone joins me live to discuss whether it's time for the right to unite, and he'll reveal the latest in his battle with Talk TV over Tommy Robinson. Then in the uncancelled after show, P. Dina with the latest in his battle with talk TV over Tommy Robinson.

Then in the uncancelled after show, P. Dina with the latest on Prince Andrew in exile. And whoops, Meghan Markle officially becomes the most disliked celebrity in the world in 2024. Remember, you can sign up to my sub stack to watch the uncancelled after show. www.outspoken.live is the address it's completely possible to subscribe completely for free and it's a way for us to get around big tech censorship just enter your email address and hit subscribe okay let's go it's a full-fledged lefty meltdown folks elon musk is not just ready to rumble when it comes to his hatred shared by most brits of two-tier care he's ready to bankroll too time for massive reform in Britain. His words.

It's fair to say the world's richest and most important businessman's landmark meeting with Nick Candy and Nigel Farage at Mar-a-Lago couldn't have gone any better. I saw both Nigel and Nick last night at the launch of the Heartland Institute and their jet lag was completely overwhelmed by the enthusiasm of what's ahead. The pair are clear. They told me the special relationship is now in their hands, not the hands of Starmer, or David Lammy for that matter. And it's fascinating, isn't it, to see the big-name Tory donors and mainstream media figures who are finally waking up to what's ahead. Here's what a buoyant Farage told the Heartland Institute event.

...going on, and I witnessed it at Mar-a-Lago yesterday, quite astonishing. You know, there was King Henry, no Donald Trump because it is a bit like going back in time you queue up for your five minutes with him and you either get the thumbs up or you disappear and never be seen again what was so extraordinary yesterday

I was thinking about who was there yesterday Zuckerberg came in in the morning Bezos came in for dinner Yn enwedig, ym mis Ysgolion, roedd Zucaberd yn dod i mewn yn y bore. Roedd Bezos yn dod i mewn i ddynnu. Roedd pob A.I. mawr, ariannol, cryptograff, cymali, gazillionaidd yn y byd, yn ymlaen yn Mar-a-Lago ym mis Ysgolion. Ac mae'r egni, yr optymiaeth, y, y credu yn gallu gwneud. Nid yw'n unig y cyfoeth, ond y gyrwyr y taxïau. Yn ystafell y bus.

Rwyf wedi siarad â ddwynau o ddysg ystafell bus yn y diwethaf diwethaf, fel rhan o fy nghyfarchneud y pethau yn digwydd. Rwy'n siŵr y bydd Cymru yn cael y fwyaf fwyaf o ffyniad economaidd ar gyfer y cyfnod nesaf. Ie, mae problemau o ddiwedd y cyllid, ond rydyn ni i gyd wedi cael problemau â phethau fel hyn. Ac rwy'n gwneud cyfathrebu a chyd-ddysgu hynny gyda'r amser o ddifrif a'r amser o'r Cymru like that. And I sort of compared and contrasted that with the sheer misery and gloom of the House of Commons at the moment, and especially the current government, who I think are doing their very best to talk us into a recession. And they're doing it jolly well, because we'll be there by the next quarter. And earlier, he'd spelled out on GB News just how serious Musk's backing is.

Given all the press stories, we did discuss money. Now, that's a negotiation we would go back and have again. He is not against giving us money. He hasn't fully decided whether he will. If he does, it wouldn't be anything like the ludicrous telephone numbers quoted in the Sunday Times. But the most important thing is this. This is what Musk said to me. He said, British politics now has a uni party.

There is very little to choose between the Labour and Conservative parties. And he genuinely fears that the mother country of the English speaking world is frankly going down the tubes. And he agrees Britain needs reform. He is right behind me. Cue predictable panic from the lefty political establishment, led by Lewis Goodall of the fake news agents on the British bashing corporation. Watch.

The must connection is central. And I'm amazed, actually, in conversations with certainly the government, although I must say not Labour MPs, that many ministers feel asleep to me about the potential vulnerability that there is in the British political system. Why do I say that? Because both our electoral law and the law governing donations and particularly the online space in Britain is completely antiquated.

The last time either were properly updated was 20 years ago. It is completely clear that if Musk wanted to, he could funnel enormous amounts of money via a UK subsidiary. And although we have election spending limits, which we do, 35 million for a big party, in the outside of the short or long campaign, he could funnel that money into online ads, he could help reform in all sorts of organisational ways, in a way that we have never quite seen a donation like that before. And who's to say that

100 million will be the end of it? To the rest of us, that's like 10 pence in his small chain. But as Farage's former funder Aaron Banks put it, you were fine with trade unions sinking tens of millions into UK politics. However, I love the way this has triggered all of the right people. Hell yes. Calvin McKenzie added, a Labour spokesman has quoted saying the government were considering

making it tougher to make such donations. Well, surprise. When Farage gets to power, I trust he will outlaw payments by lefty unions to Labour. It's a strange bribe, which in Starmer's case put train drivers on £93,000, £600 for an overtime shift, a four-day week and free travel for all the family, a racket which should have been banned decades ago. Farage is the man to end it. And what's interesting to me is that even the holdouts on the right now seem to admit it's time to get behind reform. So the brilliant Conor Tomlinson, who just last week had been debating with Richard Tice, announced following the Musk meeting, it's reform, whether you like it or not. There's no going against support for Trump and Musk.

The currents of history are in motion. Efforts should be concentrated on getting an election ready from here on out. And today's guest, Rupert Lowe, the hard-driving Reform UK MP, perhaps summed it up best when he wrote, Westminster panic is rapidly growing around reforms, increasing influence and popularity. Good. It's going to get a lot worse for Labour and the Tories. Change is coming. And I'm delighted to say Rupert Lowe is here now for today's uncancelled interview. Rupert Lowe, the Reform UK MP for Great Yarmouth. Great Yarmouth has a very special place in my heart. It's where my father spent much of his childhood. So I love what you are doing for the area. But I want to come to this breaking news first today, Rupert. Obviously, we all know

we have to be careful. However, Axel Rudicabana has pled not guilty today in the Southport massacre case. You have been constantly reminding folk, do not forget this story. Do not forget this cover-up. Are you still shocked that not one MSM journalist has asked either Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper what they knew when about the charges relating to both the production of ricin and the possession of an al-Qaeda manual, which after today's court case, we believe he was in possession of, Rupert Lowe, from 2021 to 2024. Well, good afternoon, Dan. It's a pleasure to be on your show. That's the first thing to say. Great to have you. The second thing to say is, yes, we keep reminding people not to forget about Southport. As you quite rightly say, it is sort of subdued to say we have to be very careful. And indeed,

it was quite depressing in some ways when uh the speaker uh told us we weren't allowed to ask any questions about it in the house of commons now normally you've got parliamentary privilege in the house of commons but it seems that this case has trumped parliamentary privilege um quite where the truth lies uh none of us yet know uh probably yvette cooper does, probably the Prime Minister does, probably a select few people do. But in the end, hopefully the British people will get the transparent truth and they can make their own minds up as to what the situation is.

What's happened today, I haven't really been following it too much. I've got a huge story which is broken on Great Yarmouth involving some ammonium nitrate, which was dumped in plastic bags offshore my constituency, which I have a German debate on tomorrow evening at five o'clock. So I've been quite tied up with that in a Westminster Hall debate on immigration. But it seems to me that this is probably another delaying tactic. And it will mean, I mean, who knows what he's going to plead now. I haven't followed it fully, but whether he's going to plead

diminished responsibility or some other sort of issue, which delays the case and leaves people in limbo to an even greater extent. Now, as you probably know, there are lots of rumours swirling about other things behind this, which again, I gather, are the subject of an injunction, but they're pretty well spoken about in Parliament, and hopefully those will also come out soon. As I think you know, Dan, I'm a great proponent of transparent government. I think the government has lost sight of the fact that it is the servant of the electorate,

it is not the master of the electorate. And if they just release the data in a transparent and clear way, the electorate, the British people, the people who are supposed to be omnipotent in electing a sovereign parliament, which should trump everybody else's ace, but now no longer does because the quangos have taken over. Ultimately,

you know, we want transparency and then we can make our own minds up. It doesn't need jumped up politicians to preach at people, just give the data to people and they can decide for themselves and then they can put the cross to people and they can decide for themselves. And then they can put the cross in whichever box they want to put the cross in. That ultimately is what I'm striving for, as you can see with the questions I'm asking in Parliament. Oh, absolutely. And I do want to come to some of them soon, because I think the work you're doing on transparency is utterly critical, actually. And it just shows that opposition MPs can make a big difference,

can make a noise, because Reform UK, the five of you, the famous five, as someone described you to me last night, are making more noise at the moment than the entire official opposition Conservative Party, which really is saying something. But I just wanted to ask one more thing on Southport. Your leader, Nigel Farage, has described this as the biggest cover up of our lifetimes. Do you agree with him? Well, until I know the facts, Dan, it's difficult to say whether it's a cover up or not. But it's a bit like the Manchester police issue, which, again, is, I think, unfair to the police. As you probably know, we've taken out a private prosecution. I think it's extraordinary that people can break a policewoman's nose and threaten two armed police officers and now be out on bail

when the actual police themselves have either been suspended or partially suspended. So the video footage is quite clear and i i just question what sort of country we live in when uh you know we treat our policemen like that which will have knock-on effects on our policing uh generally across the country and the the miscreants who clearly perpetrated uh this uh violence on a policeman i think broke certainly broke a bone in her nose or whatever. Broke a nose, yes. They should be remanded in custody.

I mean, you can't start attacking police women and men and expect not to be locked up. You should be locked up straight away. And I think most of the British people would agree with that. So, look, there's all sorts of weird things going on. I think most of the British people would just like a return to common sense and fairness. And if we can start to get the data, we can actually understand how far off track the whole thing has gone. And then we have a chance to rebuild it.

Because if you're armed with the data, you're actually you've got something to base decision making on. If you haven't got the data, it's very difficult to decide what you're going to do and how you're going to do it. And it seems to me that there's a there's a disjoint between the ministers who are supposed to hold the civil service to account and the civil service who as you know have been infected with uh wokery dei and almost every other uh uh sort of appalling uh recent development in in both britain and in america america it seems are about to hopefully redeem themselves and hopefully they're leading a trend that will catch on over here as well but i i i think the civil service is now the tail that's wagging the ministerial dog, if you like. And, you know, as Maggie said, advisors advise, but ministers decide. And a bit like a company, ultimately, if you have a weak board of directors, they don't hold the staff to account.

And that's what we've got, you know, a ministerial front bench where three of them have got a modicum of business experience, doesn't, in my view, qualify them to hold civil servants to account, which is what the British public need. It's interesting you mentioned two-tier policing there because Harry Cole of The Sun directly put this question to Starmer overnight. And Starmer tried to deny the fact that he was involved in two-tier policing because he always stood up for the police. But as you say, how on earth does that fit with what happened in Manchester? But watch this, and I'll get you to react off the bat. Does it get you that two-tier policing?

It's unfair, completely unfair. Well, I'm going to stand with our police officers on the front line. I shook them by the hand and said, thank you for going to the most difficult scene that any of us can imagine. By the time I had arrived back in London, they were putting their riot gear on to go out on the front line to have things hurled at them, to see their fellow officers injured

and to have people shouting at them, two-tier policing, exposing them to threat. If you're asking me, do I stand with them or do I not? I stand with them every single time. But not a word, Rupert, on the Manchester police officers who actually were completely wrongly, in my opinion, thrown under the bus because, to begin with, only part of that video had emerged. Well, I think they were more concerned, Dan, with finding out who leaked the video than they are in actually ensuring that justice is done. So I look, I'm with the police. I think we've clearly got a two tier policing system in the same way that we've got a two tier

judiciary. So I don't trust one word that emanates from the prime minister's mouth. I always say, watch what the hands are doing and not what the mouth is saying. And I think in his case, that's doubly true. So, you know, never answers questions in parliament, spends most of his time overseas because he knows Labour are making the most disastrous mess in this country. And, you know, I think people are seeing it. So if we get the transparent data down, I think they'll see it even more. And they'll realize that, as you said earlier in your introduction, you know, we've got a two-party system

which ultimately is not serving the British people properly. It's two cheeks of the same backside, as George Galloway so elegantly said. But it looks like we're we're the disruptors so as elon musk said britain's gone full-on trot was like well i think he's right yeah um and i think he's a great guy he's built up the most wonderful businesses he's a libertarian he believes in freedom of speech he basically shares a lot of the values that i share and i you know i i'm delighted that nigel farage and Nick Candy were out there talking to him and Donald Trump.

Quite why Starmer thinks it's right to cuddle up to a failing Europe when we've got a sort of revival of the of the Anglo-Saxon spirit on the other side, on the other side on the other side of the drink i really don't know we should be aligning ourselves with uh people who share our history and share our culture and at the end of the day showing the world that um in the end individualism freedom and an entrepreneurial uh creation is what makes man great not sclerotic sort of Gulliver-like tying down by an overbearing, over-bloated state, which is what we've got here. Amen to that. Did just want to ask you, though, about the polling, because your chairman, Zia Youssef, is actually seeming to think

you're going to be fine, even with first past the post. He's written today, we are now entering extremely steep point of the seat return curve, which is unprecedented. Now, I was saying back in June, before the election, Rupert, that I believe Farage will be Prime Minister in 2029. You think that too, don't you? You think it is possible for him to win a majority? I've been saying it for a while, Dan, and some of my friends think I should be taken away in a straitjacket. But they said that when I said I was going to be elected as an MP. Now, I mean, this is an interesting question, this one, because the party's policy is that we should be supporting

proportional representation. In a vote the other day in Parliament, I actually went against my colleagues because I think we are better served in the next election having first passed the post. If you look at the numbers, you know, if we get a big swing, suddenly and first past the post, you win huge numbers of seats. And as you probably know, we were about, I think we were 90th, quite a close second in 90 seats. And we were third in an awful lot more. So if we see the polls continuing to favour us, then in first past the post, we actually could conceivably get the kind of majority that we need, which, by the way, Boris had in 2019, which we gifted him, which is needed to start the process of reform. And as I like to say, the Great Repeal Act of 2029 or earlier, if we have an election before then.

God, let's hope it's earlier. So I think if we don't win the next election, look, I'm 67 years old, but I seriously think this country will be almost beyond help. And I think the young people whose country it really is can see that now. They're not being well served, Dan. You know, they are working extremely hard. It's very difficult for them to accumulate wealth. They are funding the pensions of the baby boomers who are probably living in the best houses and enjoying the best holidays. So I think there's a lot of inequity in our country, which ultimately always bulges out to the side. So I think for us, it's got to be first past the post. I sincerely believe we can win.

That's what I'm working towards. And if we do win, we need to ensure that hopefully with support from more and more donors who are coming forward and more and more people who want to help us with policy, because the five of us in Parliament, it's just non-stop here. I'm actually quite looking forward to a holiday over Christmas just to recharge the batches a bit. Well, no, as I say, you're doing more work, actually, than the entire Conservative Party at the moment. I want to talk to you a little bit about this lefty who, even though they've got all of this corruption and all of these labour lies that they could be dealing with, the latest being the WASP women, of course, they're obsessed with Farage.

And look, they've actually launched now, we can take a look at this, a billboard on Clacton Pier, which reveals apparently how much money he's been paid. What's the obsession with Farage? I mean, look, Dan, I think it's great that these people are concerned. I mean, in the past, they've sort of swatted us away like an irrelevant fly. Now they can't. You know, the polls don't lie. And we're going up and up in the polls. We've got bigger and bigger support amongst young people. Five of us, as you say, are in Parliament. So people can see that we talk common sense. We mean common sense. All we want is a return to some form of attention to the loony left. I, you know, if they're jumping up and down, it usually means we're doing the right thing. So, frankly, Dan, we're just getting on with what we need to get on with in Parliament to try and show people that we, you know, we are people of experience.

We are people who care about the future of the country. We do want to see change. But, you know what, we can't do it without the mandate from the British people. And if we get that mandate, we're there to serve, we're not there to dictate to them how they should live. And that's why we're going to repeal as many of these meaningless acts as we possibly can and remove the fetters from individuals, from businesses, from those people who want to contribute and actually let them live their lives, save the money that they've earned and enjoy their lives. We don't want to be reducing everybody to the lowest common denominator.

We want to celebrate success, individualism and wealth creation. That's what drives me. Well, I do love the fact, though, Rupert, you sometimes are taking it directly to the people who are so for the status quo. And there was a brilliant example of it today on the BBC, the British Bashing Corporation, as I call it. I was on there today, Dan. They didn't have me on very often.

No, I know. I know, but I'm actually going to play it. But first, I just wanted to look at what you said after, because this is something I completely agree with. And it's where the Tories let the country down so badly. You say just defund it, make the organisation stand on its own two feet for a change, take away the licence fee, and the BBC collapses within a week. And you say, I can't wait for that day. And you say, I can't wait for that day. And you know, I can't wait for that day either. But what I loved today is the BBC actually sometimes don't like that reality being delivered on their airwaves.

Watch this. But in response to Daisy's point about Elon Musk and Twitter, I would ask you, what is the BBC? It's a state monopoly pumping out state cant. It's no different. It's a monopoly. I would disagree on that with you, most vociferously. But, Rupert, there is another... It's an establishment monopoly, Jo. It's nothing else. It's a public broadcaster that is regulated by Ofcom.

That's very different from having social media platforms. The Ofcomnist. What a regulator Ofcom is, Daisy. What a regulator they are. How many times have you been on the programme in recent weeks, Rupert? In which programme? Your programme? I appeared on your programme the other day live. You've chosen to put me on Zoom this week, which is fine.

You've been on at least twice, so I don't think you can say you've been on. Can I just get back to the point about your association? Hang on. She thought that was a gotcha moment, Rupert, didn't she? She had me on last time. They had me in the belly of the beast last time, Dan. I go in there, I tread with great trepidation. This time I was downgraded to Zoom.

I didn't get a chance to ask Danny Finkelstein about how he was getting on drinking Beauvais milk and eating Beauvais meat, which I won't be touching. No. Because he wrote a column suggesting that I was talking rubbish. Well, that's my opinion. I'm not going to be touching it. I'm not touching it either. Just the same way I didn't touch the COVID jabs. I didn't touch any of it. You know, I'm not interested in that nonsense. It's the latest conspiracy theory, isn't it? Look, I do want to talk about some really important work that you're doing, though, Rupert. And this is why I think Reform UK is so important, because unfortunately, the Conservatives allowed this madness to go on. what you posted on X about this issue of anti-white racism really infecting the snivel service of the UK. And you say, it's disgusting that white people are being deliberately excluded from public sector jobs, internships or opportunities. Racism shouldn't be tolerated

just because it's white people on the receiving end. Whoever is signing off this poison needs to be sacked. I am investigating. And then your investigations have led you specifically to the Environment Agency, where you have written to the chair of that agency asking why white boys and white girls have been prohibited from applying for a summer internship program and now you say that you have actually received lots of examples from the public of this sort of anti-white racism being approved of by the british state well exactly dan and and the British state. Well, exactly, Dan. And, you know, the Environment Agency ran an internship program where they specifically excluded

British nationals, you know, white British people who they were favoring, you know, other sort of sectors of society. Now, again, as you know, I'm driven by merit. I don't really have a view on

people's religion, or their sex or their sexual orientation. As far as I'm concerned, if they're, if they're the right people for the job, and they win the job on merit, everybody should be in the same in the same pot. And I think I don't like racism, I don't like reverse racism. And I think this is increasingly the case in this country that, you know, and if you want an example of how it ultimately fails, just look at Tony Blair and David Cameron's selection policies for MPs in the House of Commons. problems of our failing government is the fact that they were selected basically on quotas, and that's quotas of sexuality, quotas of race, quotas of religion. It was, you know, all sorts of quotas, quotas of gender, and it wasn't based on merit. So what we've got is a very weak selection of MPs in the House of Commons, so the reds and the blues. I exclude the light blues from this because we've come up by a rather more Darwinian route.

So you've got this gene pool, and it's just from that gene pool you draw your ministers. Now, if your ministers have all come from this ridiculous sort of quota system, you don't end up with the right people, as I said earlier, holding the civil service to account and actually delivering for the British people who elect them. And I don't want to see that in our, you know, in our corporates. It usually happens in the big corporates and government agencies. You don't tend to find it happening to the same extent in

private companies, because private companies are owned by individuals who hire people on the basis of merit because they want to see their company thrive. If you're an unaccountable quango or you're an agency of some kind, you have an unlimited budget. You aren't necessarily subject to the same economic constraints as somebody running a private business. And therefore, you can afford to indulge in these nonsensical, unfair practices. And we caught the Environment Agency out red-handed. We've caught a lot of other people out. And, you know, it's the same with DEI. I mean, our policy will be to scrap every DEI related job throughout the public sector. Again, if private companies want to hire some DEI guru, go right ahead. You know, that's your money. You're spending your money. on on on these people doing a job which ultimately creates division within companies and is is damaging to the structure of our state institutions so i you know to me it's quite straightforward we would just simply scrap the lot that will be part of the great reform act of 2029 god it can't come

soon enough uh just finally i want to show you this video today, which seems to show the Westminster Council exclusively targeting those who can't speak English for subsidised housing. There has been an ad specifically made in Arabic, Bengali, Spanish and French. Darren Grimes describes it as absolutely disgraceful. Let's just have a little look at a couple of these targeted advertisements. Is that appropriate, Rupert? Well, you know, Dan, I've been very active on this as well. I've done various questions which have thrown up how much is being spent by, you know, the NHS, to take one example, and other government departments on translation. Now, we are a country

which speaks English. And if you come and live here, my view is you should speak English, you should conduct your life in English, and you should integrate with our culture and the way in which we operate. If you can't speak English, then you need to bring your own interpreter for which you pay, or you need to use AI or some other form of technology to solve your problem. It is not up to our state to start funding loads of translation for people who can't speak English. If you can't speak English, don't come here, Dan. You need to operate in English. And it's about time we started standing up for what we are. We've got a fantastic history. We're wonderfully civilized people. We've always

been very caring about everything, even though we get a lot of abuse from what I call the colonial bashers. The fact of the matter is that, you know, if they want an example of bad colonisation, go and look at the Belgian Congo, don't start criticising Britain. But at the end of the day, it's ridiculous. It's bonkers. And I think 90% of the British public would agree with that. So why are we doing it? That's the question. Why are we doing it? Well, I love that you continue to put these difficult questions. You are very much putting the Snivels service on notice. Congratulations on a brilliant first five months as an MP. You have made a huge impact. And as I say, love what you're doing to Great Yarmouth.

It's such a good place, but it really has been let down uh by multiple governments actually and it can become a really great place again as i say i have a very very special place in my heart for great yarmouth so uh thank you it's a great place it's a great place down with some fantastic people yeah uh but it has been let down largely by our membership of the EU and the damage that that's done to our fishing rights and our fish processing. And this scandal I just outlined involves dumping around 300 tons of ammonium nitrate in their plastic bags into the ocean 12 miles off Great Yarmouth. Avoidable. Another example of siloed quangos making bad decisions and then not being held to account. Well, I've done a lot of work on this

and I'm raising it in the House tomorrow. I want a full inquiry. This is just a classic example of how Parliament has been undermined, its sovereignty has been undermined, and how these various quangos operate in silos. And when they make the wrong decision, they all blame each other. So, you know, this is an example of, I think, gross abuse of position with no accountability.

And I ask myself, how has this happened? How has the sovereignty of parliament been so undermined undermined and to the extent that myself as the local mp was actually excluded from all communication i had no idea what was going on in the background and it great yarmouth came within an ace of evacuation uh no fly zones were put in place. And the local elected MP who's supposed to be, I actually got a modicum of experience of dealing with ammonium nitrate. So quite apart from the fact I probably could have helped. I question, is it because I'm a reform MP that I was excluded from all these communications? If not, what's the reason? And I'm sure the people of Great Yarmouth will want an answer to that question. Big time, big time. It is an absolute scandal. And I so

appreciate all the work that you are doing. Reform UK MP for Great Yarmouth, Rupert Lowe, have a wonderful Christmas because I think you've got a very busy 2025. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for having me on, Dan. Great. We'll speak next year, Rufus. Thank you so much. And now it's time for The Outsider. And I'm delighted to be joined now by Nick Tenconi, who is the leader of the UKIP party, Nigel Farage's former home.

And I'm fascinated to find out how Nick and UKIP want to deal with this latest Reform UK surge, specifically, of course, this meeting with Elon Musk, Nick Candy and Farage at Mar-a-Lago. Nick, great to have you here on Outspoken. Very good to have you back. I'm really interested to know where you stand on this now, Nick, because Conor Tomlinson, really good guy, has made it very clear, and he's been critical of Reform UK in recent weeks, as you have over issues like the lack of support for mass deportations, the lack of concern about the changing demography, the Tommy Robinson issue, which we're going to come to shortly. And he says, look, the currents of history now are with Reform UK because of the backing of

Elon Musk and Donald Trump. As the leader of UKIP, where do you stand on that? Well, thanks for having me on, Dan. It's great to be here, as always. Bless you. Thanks. Thanks very much indeed. Where do I stand on one? What does Conor refer to himself as? Maybe you can help me out.

Is he a pundit? Is he a journalist? Yeah, he's a conservative commentator and journalist, yes. Conservative commentator and journalist. Yes. Conservative commentator and journalist. Right. Well, I'm far more concerned with what the 40 percent, the supposed 40 percent who are registered to vote, who don't currently vote as per the last general election think about me, about UKIP's policies, our missions, our manifesto, and their interpretation of the fact that Nigel spends more time in America than he does in Clacton. I'm more interested in what they have to say. I'm more

interested in what those people outside of the 40%, those who are registered to vote that don't vote. What about all those people who aren't even registered to vote? All those people, they aren't registered because it's not in their family dynamic to be they don't believe in democracy they don't believe in um trusting those who govern us and rightly so uh going back to what i just heard uh rupert say that he's very very uh he's not not impressed with uh with the outsourcing of every major vital functioning part of our country to quangos into the third sector. Yeah, that's because we live in socialism. It's all centralised and it's back deals. So we backdoor deals. So we have to re-inspire and reinvigorate those who aren't registered to vote, those who don't vote and those who are registered to vote.

We have to inspire them with some hope and some motivation to take our country back. With regards to specific comments that individuals like you mentioned connor have made it you asked a straight question it doesn't faze me in the slightest there is a sentiment in all if you jump into any reform uh caption or graphic if you go into the comment section or if you look at the style that i've adopted for the last five to six months both my personal social media footprint and on UKIP's we have deliberately gone out of way got out of our way to call out grifting we've gone out of our way to call out call out what government

assets look like what controlled opposition look like we've gone out of our way to the point where people now will say and you can see this very often in the comment section, look, and it's a resounding, Nigel and reform is the best we've got. And you mentioned Connor's tweet again, it's the best we've got. I find that totally. And we can both agree on that. That's not my subjective opinion. The vast majority of people are either involved in some sort of cult. It's weird. There's some sort of obsession with Nigel in some sort of cult. It's weird. There's some sort of obsession with Nigel and some sort of obsession with reform.

It's like some sort of infatuation of sorts, but we know from the comments, five, six months worth. Now the general populace is saying reforms the best we've got. So that's the first thing I'd say. And I'd say secondly to that, that is totally unacceptable.

We are in crisis. UKIP says we're taking our country back. We're taking our country back from the communists, from the Islamists, from the point about him, him hanging out with Elon and with Donald Trump. Listen, as quickly as I can, I'll get the message to both Elon and Donald that Nigel and reform are liberals pretending to be conservatives. We're all aware of reform's backwardness on mass deportation, voting for assisted dying and having recently appointed a Muslim chairman who's a multimillionaire 37-year-old someone out of absolutely nowhere. Richard Tice saying to me and to Tommy Robinson fans that we're that lot and that we're not allowed anywhere near the party. Nigel saying no to mass deportations. Elon and Donald don't know about this, but they're going to know about it. And then we'll see what happens. I say we're taking our country back and there'll be no appeasement either.

Okay, so that's what I wanted to be really clear on. You are absolutely committed for UKIP staying a political movement rather than a cultural movement. Because Tommy and I saw him at HMP Woodhill on Saturday, spent three hours with him. He is very clear that uniting the kingdom is a cultural movement and that probably reform is still the place to go politically. Now, of course, he wants Nigel and Richard and Reform UK to stop slagging him off. But he's very clear at this stage, at least, that there isn't a political movement connected to what he's doing and uniting the kingdom. But you're saying UKIP will absolutely be running, will be challenging Nigel, will be

running in seats? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So we'll be standing no different from what reform did when reform showed the Conservative Party absolutely no mercy, no matter how many true, decent conservatives, because they do exist within the party, no matter how many of those were unseated, to give Labour the majority to issue them the mandate of tyranny, reform showed the Conservative Party no friendship whatsoever. It'll be exactly the same with UKIP. It is completely fair game. It is open season. And it's not just my inkling. It's not just my understanding. But it is talking both online and at grassroots level, at street level. Unfortunately, I do know why Nigel and Richard and Reform's high command have done what they've done.

I know why they've done it. The Conservative Party is a broad church, broad tent outfit, and Reform wants into that. So you've got to appeal to absolutely everyone you just you just have to you stand for everything stand for nothing now i didn't think that they do make the moves that they've made as quickly as they have done i thought they would take 18 months but they've they've done it now so we're now at an incredibly important junction the one that you mentioned in fact quite absolutely on the on the nose there the vast majority of people may well turn around now and say, right, it is what it is.

Doesn't matter who High Command and Reform have slagged off or been disparaging towards. It's the best we've got. Have we all lost our minds? We said that about the Conservative Party over and over and over again. Absolutely not. So I understand what you're saying saying it's a really fair point i understand what the long no that's why i wanted to have you on because i i wanted to hear where you stood on this absolutely um now you speak of the conservatives kemi badenock is trying to get in

on the action uh this is her most recent speech released on social media. So she's trying to do a bit of a Nigel. She's trying to get out there in the zeitgeist. Personally, I don't think it's working, but let's have a look and you can respond off the back. Four years ago, I warned that Labour will always take the knee. Now we see what that means for our country. Labour cannot negotiate. They get taken for a ride because they give things away for free, hoping that the other side will be nice to them in exchange. They put our national security at risk. Now, my view on Kimmy is that she's been a disaster, Nick, and I knew she was going to be a disaster. I fully supported Robert Jenrick in the Conservative Party leadership, not because I've forgiven the Conservative Party or anything like that,

but just because my view on all of this is that we need the Overton window to shift. And I think he would have helped that happen. But isn't Kemi just a gift to Farage and reform so let me let me cut right to it link it to my previous point I've already mentioned controlled opposition for your viewers those of you who don't know what controlled opposition means these are government uh these are government and intelligence backed services which in which essentially employ a controlled opposition unit. So at the moment, breaking down as far as I can, you've got the reds, you've got the blues, you've got the yellows, and you've got a bit of green. There is a growing sentiment as a result

of Nigel Farage's media sensationalism, his stunts like going on reality TV shows. The establishment can't always ignore that which is coming along, regardless of whether it is benevolent or malevolent. It can't ignore it. So rather than ignore it, it chooses to control it. That's what we mean by controlled opposition. That's why if it looks like controlled opposition, talks like controlled opposition, now let's link this to what you said about Kenny.

Is it possible, Dan, and let me ask you, let me ask your viewers, is it possible the vast majority of people don't trust our politicians, don't trust government, don't trust democracy anymore? And that is a tragedy. We will deal with that. UKIP will deal with that in time. But is it possible that Kemi was put in place

to then gift reform this kind of like low hanging fruit. And I think Suella's husband's crossed the floor. Does it not make sense to people that reform are the new kids on the block? From their perspective, the Conservative Party can't, whether you call it they're just really incompetent or they are WEF puppets and they've just made mistake after mistake. There's lots of different reasons why the Conservative Party has fallen, but the Conservative Party has fallen. So is it possible that if you've been in power for 200 years and you hold the keys to power in a G7 nuclearised country, is it possible that you're not going to hand power over, but that you will

bring in something that looks new? Does it make sense now? Something that looks new, something that says this is new. It's teal. It's not blue or red or yellow or green. And now we've got Kemi, who's literally handing over power to reform. Would you agree with that? Is that in response to what you've said, Dan? Is that how we're all seeing it? Or am I just seeing it like that myself? Well, look think i think hemi was a status quo candidate which means absolutely she's a globalist absolutely she's controlled opposition absolutely she's michael gove's puck puppet and i would say absolutely that is a gift for Reform UK. But again, I am a believer in needing to work within the political system, I guess. And so for me, even though Kemi, I think, is a disaster, in the end, it might mean the Conservative Party does move towards the right.

Maybe there is going to be competition from the Conservative Party for Reform UK the right. Maybe there is going to be competition from the Conservative Party for Reform UK by the time of the next election. But right now, all bets are off because these are extraordinary times and there is extraordinary anger. And I think Kemi's biggest failure is the same as Labour's biggest failure, which is that they just don't get it. They just do not understand where the people are at, because they are so arrogant, as the first-past-the-post system has always protected them. But I think this time, it will not. But look, stand by, Nick Tenconi, leader of UKIP, because in just one minute, I want to talk about this extraordinary row, which is brewing between yourself, UKIP, Piers Morgan and Talk TV

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Watch this. Thank you to everybody online who has been in touch, including all those people who are saying that I'm a liar and that Tommy Robinson isn't a racist I mean he is uh just you know do some basic research and you'll find out um so thank you to everybody who's been in touch including those people who've been horrible um and some who haven't been horrible some have been totally respectful and just saying they disagree with me and that's okay uh if we disagree without being disagreeable Nick Tenconi who is the leader of the UKIP party and leading this protest movement we're're going to look at a couple of other videos because you held a demonstration outside of Talk TV. But Nick, can you just establish for me first what your view is on the claims made by Peter Cardwell and Piers Morgan? So the claims they've made, if I'm not mistaken, Dan, are that Tommy Robinson's a racist, correct?

Yes, correct. Yeah, lies, lies, disgusting, absolutely disgusting. So whether they're liberal cowards or slippery, insidious snakes like the Piers Morgans of the world who play both sides, wouldn't know straight back if it slapped him across the face, whether it's the far left, the Islamists, or just plain old ignorance. This is the agenda. It is to smear you. It is to slander you.

The definition of smearing and slandering, it's no different from when we were in the playground as children. It is to put you on the back foot. It is designed to emasculate you. It is designed to silence you. It started off with affirmative action in the States. It led to political correctness. Then we get the DIE campaign.

Obviously, we then call it WOKE, which softens the sort of insidious nature of it all. But we could do it all day with the different acronyms crt blm esg it's all they're designed to say stay in your lane you aren't politically correct and there's a mob coming after you your wife your job your children it's it's it's threatening and intimidating so what someone hears when they're hopefully watching this program is oh tommy robinson's been called a racist nothing wrong with that no it is the exact demonstration of both it's not just far-left activism but liberal mindsets as well to say listen doesn't matter whether it's true or not we get to feel morally superior by saying it so shut up and stay in your lane and we absolutely have to

confront and take on this madness now if he was referred to as something else and i may not i may not have said anything but if they're calling him a racist that's wrong and you did take it on so i want to just show people exactly what happened peter cardwell was on air broadcasting live and was informed by a caller of what was going on outside the building. Watch this. Oh, no, no, don't take her off. Don't take her off. It's OK. It's all right. Deb, sorry, go ahead, say that again. I think it's about time that you apologise for calling Tommy Robinson a racist,

which he's not. I don't know whether you have any evidence of that at all. And also there's actually a demonstration going on outside your your studios right now are you aware of that no i'm not actually debs but thank you for letting me know um thanks for your call appreciate that um no wayness says i don't think he did appreciate it he looked quite concerned probably for good reason because here is what was going on outside both from yourself and also a brilliant young woman a conservative youtuber she was actually on the show

last week very impressed with her called based and bougie watch that he was a far right racist islamophobic extremist and me being 11 years old and very impressionable I believed it until maybe 12 14 years later I decided he came up with my FYP and I decided to just watch an interview it was just a one-hour interview so as I was watching the interview I was waiting to hear that right-wing extremist is not a phobic racist comment and I couldn't hear anything so I decided to watch a second interview waiting for that right-wing extremist Islamophobic comment. Still couldn't hear anything.

I decided to watch a third, a fourth, a fifth, a sixth interview, and I still couldn't find this character that they played to Tommy Robinson out to be. Now, I'm a very curious individual, so when I'm intrigued by something, nothing will stop me from exploring it. And after watching a couple of Tommy Robinson's interviews, I realised that this man was on a mission mission not to create an all-white Britain but to actually protect Britain and to protect children that's it

relationships that's slandering during lockdown it was no different if you didn't comply if you didn't wear a mask. And who pushed that agenda? None other than pig vomit in there, Piers Morgan. And as for you, Cardwell, calling Robinson a racist, you owe the British public and Tommy Robinson an apology. Really powerful stuff, Nick. People will be surprised, or some people will be surprised because talk radio is largely considered to be pretty sound i used to work there but certainly some

of their presenters uh like mike graham have very much put themselves in the anti tommy robinson camp camp oh certainly and uh so so reforms high command so the the the golden goose and the and the up the upcoming winner of the general election apparently reform uh certain individuals that talk tv uh it's absolutely everywhere so you can say whatever you like you could pick a topic dan and we could discuss it about tommy i don't i don't i've never met tommy i don't know the man as everyone knows and i've said that you could pick a topic and i would just say i don't know i'm sorry i can't i can't answer that but we have to we the key thing is to address these tactics that are deployed you mentioned it's sort of conservative socially conservative certain media outlets and channels it's everywhere it's absolutely everywhere you just can't you just

can't trust it and the reality is that people aren't silly they will make their own minds up they might be xyz but to say that they're a racist just because that's the status quo attached to the individual is madness and this ruins people's lives as well in the age of woke and die it truly does ruin people's lives so we've got to stand up to it. And it was a pleasure. I was asked to be there and I will never not be there. And I will never not spring into action to continue to call this out and to inspire the British public and to achieve votes for UKIP as well.

Probably though, Nick, I would say the fundamental difference between UKIP under your leadership and Reform UK under Nigel Farage's leadership is you have thrown the door open to not just Tommy Robinson supporters, but to Tommy Robinson himself. You have said he's welcoming the party. You've also issued that same invitation to Katie Hopkins as well. So that is quite a fundamental difference, isn't it? Yeah, there are so many differences between reform and UKIP. They're just not the same parties.

We're socially conservative, right wing, and we're going to put Christianity back into the heart of government. Reform aren't those, they're just not those things at all. We've extended the hand to Tommy Robinson because we want him to join the party and we want him to stand in the area which we decide is best for him or he chooses. That's a two-way process.

And in 2029, get him elected, get him in the House of Commons. Ten seconds, that's how long that story takes to tell. We're doing the business. So can I just clarify that because people will be very interested in this, Nick. You are saying that if Tommy Robinson were to join UKIP, you would support him running for a seat in Parliament as a UKIP prospective MP? Absolutely. Well, and Katie Hopkins too. Absolutely.

And rightly so as well. These, these are accomplished, sensible, hardworking, decent individuals who have dedicated 15 plus years from their mid early twenties. And in the case of Tommy now it's cost him his liberty. I mean, what's not to like that he's a stand-up guy and I've got a lot of time for that so yeah absolutely the hands extended and we want the everyone's going to have to pick a horse in this race we are taking our country back down the revolution's begun you can't stop that we are going to put Christianity back into the heart of government we are going to right the wrongs of so many decades since roughly the Second World War.

But it's actually since the Enlightenment period. I won't go there. The reality is, is that we're going to take our country back one way or the other. It's going to happen. And we're asking good people to say, you know what? I like your missions. I like your manifesto. I like what you're saying, Nick. We're in crisis let's do it that hand is extended the door is open and when they're ready i already know that they'll come of their own volition but sooner rather than later please guys well but that's a big change that is a big change because i just wonder look as i say he's he was pretty clear to me when I met him on Saturday that he wants Uniting the Kingdom to be a cultural movement.

But I just wonder because the tectonic plates are shifting, aren't they, so significantly. And if there was a seat where he felt he had a very strong chance of winning, it's quite a thought, isn't it? Tommy Robinson in the Houses of Commons. Do you worry about lawfare? Do you worry about, I mean, look, there are already calls, aren't there, from the likes of Whom's a Useless, the failed First Minister of Scotland,

to officially define Tommy Robinson and his organisation as a terrorist organisation, presumably to stop him from running for Parliament, exactly the same thing that they're doing to Marine Le Pen in France. Do you worry about that? I think Youssef should, Hamza should worry far more about getting the Muslim Defence League, MDL prescribed as a terrorist organisation. I think Hamza Youssef should worry far more about the 39,000 Islamists out of the 45,000 on MI5's terror watch list. He should worry far more about the 57, 70 percent, 57 of the 80, 70 percent of the prescribed terrorist organizations in the UK are Islamic, compared with 6 percent that are white nationalists, which UKIP has already

denounced, and everyone's aware of that. Am I concerned about, as you put it, Dan, am I concerned about insidious tactics used to needlessly cut down and ambush good, hardworking, patriotic, God-fearing men and women from reclaiming this glorious green Christian land. I don't sleep at night because they're going to. I've been so candid about controlled opposition. I mentioned government assets, and that's without going into further detail about the sort of tactics that they will try to destabilize any benevolent, non-grifting, genuine movement, political war machine that is trying to take back Britain. They're not going to hand power over. They simply won't do it. We're going to have to take it back. And I am calling upon citizens of Britain to put their name forward and apply on the UKIP website. If you haven't

already joined as a member, join as a member, join the People's Army. And if you haven't already put your name forward to stand as a community leader, as a candidate in your area. If Britain doesn't want to be saved, Britain doesn't want to be saved. But I simply don't believe that's the case. I think Britain does want to be saved. And going back to your earlier point about what Tommy does and doesn't do, that's completely up to him. We're still taking our country back. Fighting talk.

I love to hear it. Nick Tenconi, great stuff. Really brilliant to have you on Outspoken again. Have a wonderful Christmas, great new year. And I look forward to chatting in 2025 and seeing what's next. Because one thing that is guaranteed is it's not going to be straightforward, is it, over the next few months in this country.

Nick Tencody, great to have you. Thank you so much. Coming up in the uncancelled after show, don't go anywhere because P.Dina, Royal YouTube Sensation, is up with the latest on Prince Andrew in exile and whoopsie daisy, Meghan Markle has just officially become the most disliked celebrity in the world in 2024. You know, it's very important to me we have a safe space not patrolled by big tech where censorship and control runs deep. So that's why we have www.outspoken.live, our membership section.

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