Dan Wootton Outspoken - LONDON ISLAMIST FURY AT REFORM MUSLIM CANDIDATE AS KATIE HOPKINS & ANT MIDDLETON HIT BACK

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

BREAKING TODAY: A massive row breaks out on the right of British politics after DAN’S criticism of Reform UK for selecting a Muslim in Laila Cunningham to run against Islamist Sadiq Khan as it emerges she has an Islamic symbol tattooed on her arm. And just hours after slamming Khan for branding his critics, racist and far right, that was exactly what Cunningham did with Dan, falsely branding him "far right" after turning down an invitation to appear here on Outspoken to instead sit for the MSM shill Harry Cole and his tens of viewers. Katie Hopkins isn’t impressed either and now Nigel Farage has revealed Reform UK’s next target is a Labour MP. In his Digest next: What Reform UK is hiding about Laila Cunningham in their bid to beat Khan at any cost? Then the great Colin Brazier is here: Substack author, farmer, Assistant Editor of The Salisbury Review and so much more. PLUS: Fury over Slippery Starmer’s bid to send young Brits to Ukraine to save his premiership. AND: The Traitors is engulfed in a race row as the woke try to ruin the reality show because three non-white contestants have been sent home. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: King Charles finally turns on his youngest son Prince Harry over his court case against the Daily Mail. Lady Colin Campbell joins us for all the latest royal news. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 400. Can you believe it? What a ride? We have had so far. Couldn't do it without you. Of course. Please do. Hit subscribe. It's totally free. Get us to 700,000 subscribers, support this independent media venture. And by subscribing, you do that more than you would ever know. Thank you so much. Breaking today, a massive rout breaks out on the right of British politics. After my criticism, of Reform UK for selecting a Muslim in Leila Cunningham to run against Islamist Sidi Khan. As it emerges, she has an Islamic symbol tattooed on her arm. Just hours after slamming Khan for branding his critics racist and far right. He calls him far rights. Racist. He ludicrously says that criticism of his record is because he's Muslim. That was exactly what Cunningham decided to do to me. Falsely branding me far, right? After turning down an invitation to appear here on outspoken

to instead sit for the MSM Shill Harry Cole and his tens of viewers. Dan Witten has suggested that you're somehow some sort of possibly, quote, possibly an Islamist and reform of... Capitulated. Capitulated. That's the word. That's your response to that. Number one, they're not the right.

They're the far right. And I don't even think that they're far right. They're just, you know, the thing is. I don't see myself. Stupid, stupid, stupid move. Katie Hopkins isn't impressed either. And finally, reform have found their London mayoral candidate. It's a lovely Egyptian lady called Leila.

You and I should compare tattoos sometime. Shouldn't we, Leila? We're running a megapole on this today. Let me tell you, the results will shock you. And now Nigel Farage has revealed Reform UK's next target is a Labour MP. I'm currently talking to an ex-Labour MP, who I think is going to join them in the next couple of weeks. We've had Labour activists, independents, at county level, local borough level two. So in my digest next, what Reform UK is hiding about Layla Cunningham and their bid to beat Khan at any.

cost then. The great Colin Brazier is here to defeat this. Here's, of course, the substack author, Farmer, assistant editor of the Salisbury Review, so much more. Also, now a Reform UK supporter. So both sides of this argument covered on today's show, of course. Also coming up today, Fury over Slippery Starmers bid to send young Brits to Ukraine and save his premiership, The traitors engulfed in a race row as The Woke tried to ruin the BBC reality show because three non-white contestants have now been sent home. And King Charles finally turns on his youngest son, Prince Harry, over his court case against the Daily Mail. Then in the Uncanceled After Show over on Substack, Lady Colin Campbell joins us for all the latest Royal News. You can sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live.

New Greatest Britain Union Jackass revealed today too. Here are your nominees. Nina Mishkoff, nominated by Kaz Quinn, for stating that Stama has restored Britain's reputation around the world. Kaz says she's starting to believe that these Stama supporters are developing a severe mental illness. Yasmin Alibair Brown, nominated by Matt Cass, who says UK tradition hating Yasmin is obviously fine with pubs shutting.

Her opinions on most things is vile and full of hate, but she really should sit this one out. and Zara Soltana, nominated by Matt, for who says the victimhood of this child is extraordinary. Most people just want to get on with life and with people and not cry over our how luck studies this child hates the UK and can't hide it. So three females going head to head to be your union jackass today. You can vote right now in the live chat on substack. Keep your comments coming in. And of course, I'm going to reveal very shortly the first results of this super poll, this megapole, which is in the post.

have on YouTube. I think the results will surprise you. But now, let's go. So yesterday, just minutes after Nigel Farage announced her as Reform UK's mayoral candidate to run against Islamist city Khan, Leila Cunningham mocked London's failed mayor for branding any critics of him as racist and far right. Khan never accepts responsibility. No, he attacks anyone who says London's dangerous. He calls them far rights. Racist. He ludicrously says that criticism of his record is because he's Muslim.

And we are all Islamophobic. Frankly, it's an insult to victims and to Londoners. Well, usually I would 100% agree with that statement. But the problem is that within just hours of making that claim on stage, Layla Cunningham and the MSM she was acting as her propagandists were using the identical fake slurs against yours truly, branding me a racist twat, branding me far right, and branding me a bottom feeder for being honest about the fact that in my personal view, another Muslim is not the right choice as a replacement to Sadiq Khan, as London Mayor. These same people, by the way, had absolutely no problem when that argument was made against Ziran Mandami in New York. But when it comes to our London, my city, which I have seen destroyed by a Muslim leader giving in to Islamism, different rules apply, apparently. Now, I have tried to

be fair to Ms. Cunningham. I asked her on to outspoken so I could address my questions to her directly, as the biggest daily independent news show in the UK produced out of London, you'd thought that would have made a bit of sense. But yes, I was going to put some difficult questions to Ms. Cunningham. I wanted to ask her, for example, about this Islamic tattoo that she keeps hidden by her long sleeves during TV appearances, for example, which Ashton Ward revealed appears to be a crescent moon on the inner forearm. In Islam, the crescent moon, Hilal, marks the start of lunar months,

and is a prominent symbol on flags, including Turkey and Pakistan. World by Wolf said, no wonder we always see her in long sleeves. I'm not sure the reform base are going to be enamoured with this. She has to go. And I would have asked her those questions. But instead, Lailoran to the MSM, appearing on the flop and ironically named show Harry Cod, Saves the West, hosted by Carrie Johnson's ex, who endorsed Labour as the son's political editor.

And that show was, at last count, viewed by just 6,900 people. But that was the venue. She decided to launch her counterattack on patriots like me, as wait for it, far right. You're talking about people into silos and boxes. You are a Muslim. On the right, there's been a bit of a brouhaha since you've been announced as a candidate today. I'm not talking about within reform,

but the people on the even further to the right in British politics. Lawrence Fox, for example, is wittering on about your candidacy, saying it's selling out. Dan Witten has suggested that you're somehow some sort of possibly, quote, possibly an Islamist and reform of... Capitulated. That's the word to Islam. What's your response to that?

Number one, they're not the right, they're the far right, and I don't even think that they're far right. They're just, you know, the thing is, I don't see myself as a British Muslim, a British Egyptian. I see myself as a British person. That's it. And whether you're Muslim, Hindu, Catholic, gay, trans, you know, we need a mayor that is there for everyone equally, not some select groups. What do you think they're trying to do there with, by sort of stirro, is that way, the suggestion that you're possibly an Islamist? I mean, what's doing, how does that make you feel? What's your, what is your response to that direct ridiculous to you? It's so ridiculous. I just ignore it.

Honestly, it's some Twitter tunnel vision that they have. I'm the strongest person to call out radical Islam. I'm the strongest person to say that if Muslims move here, they have to embrace British values. Now, I want to give Leila Afeer shot, as I said, and there's a lot in that answer. But unfortunately, the fact she's automatically reached for the far-right label means she's not to be trusted. It's weak source, it's wrong. It empowers those in the MSM and political establishment who will use that argument, by the way, Leila, against you, against Reform UK, every damn day. Tommy Robinson, who has previously praised Leila, reacted to the interview by endorsing one of her main rivals on the right, writing,

messed up here. She wanted to defend herself, but by attacking people with baseless slurs of far right is weak. It's Ant Middleton for mayor. And as Connor Tomlinson, who will be here tomorrow, put it, if you don't want a Muslim to be London mayor, you're far right. Anyone who uses far right as an insult is an enemy. British values do not exist. Nothing can represent Muslims, Hindus and Catholics equally. Reform are just repackaging the continued replacement of British people and our culture as patriotic. Sorry, not falling for it. We don't want any more foreign politicians. But look, I know many of you disagree and think Layla is the right choice to fight Khan. And I'm going to give you the fact that some of her arguments are convincing.

Do you think the debate about immigration in this country is going down a sort of path of Israel becoming sort of ethno versus civic nationalist and actually there's a sort of race. Always you have it in America though. If you didn't come over on the Mayflower, are you really really, you know, as an American as someone who's been here for a couple of generations. What's your sort of take on the state of the debate about what, you know, it really really means to be British and the direction the row about immigration is going?

So I think on X, it's very toxic, right? I've been called a Muslim C-U-N-T, if I can say that. You can. All the time or an Islamic, you know, various things. On other social media, it's so positive. I think X is a dangerous place for that. On the streets, I don't feel that. Not at all.

What's the response being like from, you know, rank-and-file reform members? Amazing. You know, rank-and-file reform members embrace everyone. They require one thing that you love this country and you want the best for it and you want to contribute to it. And if that is what you want, then you are more than welcome in reform. And that's what people don't understand.

We're not anti-immigrant. We're not anti-any one. We are anti-people who are anti-British. Okay, so she said she wants to see all cultures and religions equally. That's not possible, in my view. That's multiculturalism. That is why we are all here. And what Harry Cole refused to do in that interview is quiz Layla Cunningham on her religion.

And anyone who knows the slightest thing about Islam is aware it influences in very different ways to Christianity. As Chris Davies wrote. So, Lela, you branded Dan Wooden Far Right on the Harry Cole Show, no one watches. as London Mayor, would you ban halal, ban the burqa, ban cousin marriage, ban sharia, ban mosques, ban benefits for immigrants, five-year immigration moratorium, or is that far right too? I'll wait. But Cole didn't ask any of those questions, instead he just blindly accepted that there's nothing to see here and assuming that I am the issue. Yet there's actually lots about Cunningham's background we don't know. For a party that is so vociferously opposed to one-nation Tory traitors, for example, that is exactly what Leila Cunningham was, as recently as a year ago.

So Conner explained it this way. People are trying to make sense of why reform have put Ford Laela Cunningham as their candidate for Mayor of London. Is she a real Muslim, is reform containment? The simplest answer is that Cunningham is only interested in politics as a path for self-promotion. She's a grifter. She saw reform, are likely to form the next government, wrote Law and learned the slick British values, talking points to get ahead and a party desperate not to be called racist, and was pushed as the progressive proof face of the party. Everything she does is to increase her personal advantage. She made headlines with her super mum's citizens' arrest stunt. She was in favour of hate crime legislation when it benefited her. She wrote woke poetry about how London's diversity was its strength, words which could have come straight. from the mouth of Sadiq Khan, then she jumped aboard the Conservatives when they were in power. She took selfies with everyone she could because it was more important to be seen at functions than to be actually doing anything. She went to Pride and hosted the first it-fire event as

councillor for Westminster North. The contradictions don't matter. She doesn't believe anything consistent. These are just the rituals have been part of liberal political circles. The passwords you have to speak to be part of the club. It gate keeps in favour of shameless rifters. She only pulled out of being the Conservative Parliamentary candidate for Rotherham right before the 2024 election. What connection does she have to Rotherham? None. Since she loves London so much, she's always lived there and wants to be mayor. She just took the seat as a non-white Muslim woman until she realised she couldn't win it and that it would damage her future prospects. We shouldn't trust Cunningham, not just because she's a Muslim, and both the British right

and public at large don't like Islam. We shouldn't trust her because her entire political career appears to be about making her famous. She wants to be in power and on camera for the sake of it. She isn't really all that interested in philosophy or policy. Otherwise, she wouldn't be reciting insults like far right or pushing the incoherent platitudes of British values because neither stand up to scrutiny. It's a grift. And if we want an effective right wing in this country, we shouldn't reward it. Katie Hopkins has taken a more humorous approach. What? Reform have found their London mayoral candidate. It's a lovely Egyptian lady called Leila.

Leila, you and I should compare tattoos sometime, shouldn't we Leila? Any of the which way, Zia Yusuf, who really weirdly looks like he's been punched in both eyes, doesn't he? Maybe Rupert Lowe would know something about that. But any which way, Zia Yusuf says, like Sarah Poken, which means she's still dumb like Sarah Poken, which means she's still dumb like Sarah Poken, but at least she's a Muslim. Now my comments about not wanting a Muslim ear of London

are actually no different to those of Megan Kelly, which were widely embraced by the right in the UK given the threat of Islam in. now politics. Remember this? You have a problem with Islam. I do. I think it's totally incompatible with Western values, and I don't think people who practice Islam should be the leaders of America. I just don't. That's how I feel, and I'm entitled to that belief. Because Islam is more than a religion. It is a political ideology. I mean, Islam, people sometimes couch it as political Islam. All of

Islam is political Islam. That's the truth. And we can't be afraid to say it. I'm sorry, but it's just not consistent with Western values. It's not. They're not pro-free speech. They're not pro-women, and they're not pro-separation of church and state. Like we in America are. We view the interference of religion in governance much, much differently than your average Muslim does. Even your non-radicalized Muslim. That's what's true.

So what's different here? What's different in this case? Because it's Reform UK, we're just meant to trust? Tim Montgomery posted, it's sad to see Dan taking this position. Leila Cunningham is a strong and authentic reform voice. That's what should matter. I replied saying, why is it sad to want to have Christian leaders in a Christian country? Lawrence Fox posed another good question in response.

Can you guess how many non-Muslims are serving as mayors in any Islamic city today? Yes, you are correct. Perhaps we could do an exchange program instead. Sadiq Khan could go and become mayor of an Islamic city and organize a massive pride parade. Love to see how that would turn out. And we could have a Christian in return to be mayor of our Christian country's capital city. It would be so refreshing to see someone stand up for Britain or once. There are other questions about Laila Cunningham, of course, the fact that she hosted this Ramadan.

than it far, something which Connor Tomlinson says, even the Michaela School, wouldn't host. She has been pictured socialising alongside the likes of the hard-leftist Sangita Miska and the left-wing spectator Edessa, Michael Gove. As a one-nation Tory, she's focused on DEI policies. As a Tory councillor, we've discovered that she posted more on X about Ramadan

than Easter or Christmas. She also posted a poem from the left-wing playbook celebrating London after terror attacks because of immigration, diversity, and foreign nationalities. And then what about the fact that Zia Yusuf is constantly lambasting those who supported the last conservative administration when that is exactly what Laila did? World by Wolf revealed, reforms London mayoral candidate

is another ex-Torri Muslim dud. Layla left the Tories last year and joined reform following allegations that she was missing meetings, failing to be on top of her brief and having been sacked from her position on the planning committee. But I think what we have to acknowledge

is that Nigel Farage is now quite openly playing a different game. Revealing Reform UK is indeed now in talks to poach a Labour MP. The messages I'm getting now are that the cancelled elections could be much bigger than we thought they would be, just since this programme began.

But, you know, if it's treated fairly, fine. We will be held every single day between now and the next election to a different standard to everybody else. I know that. I know it's going to be tough, but I also know there's a growing number of people in Britain who genuinely think Britain is broken needs a fresh approach, and that's what we're going to try and provide. You're going to have to find a lot of MPs as well. Is there a limit to the number of Tories you're prepared to let in? I will have Tories if they add.

If they add. I'm currently talking to an ex-Labor MP, who I think is going to join them in the next couple of weeks. We've had Labour activists, independence at county level, local borough level two. I'll have Conservatives, if they add. If for them it's a way of prolonging their career, I won't. When's your next lunch with Robert Jemrick?

When did I last have lunch with Robert Jemrik? Well, I don't know. Well, there you are. There you are, a very long time ago. game altogether being played there. Now look, what matters to me most, of course, is what you think about this. I guess you could say I took a bit of a risk yesterday because you know I'm always going to tell you the truth. Maybe in some ways it would have been easier to say, oh, Leila Cunningham says the right things. Let's just forget the whole Islam question. Let's not ask difficult questions.

Maybe that would have been easier. I certainly wouldn't have had the pushback, the personal attacks, claims of racism that I have now suffered from over the past 24 hours. But I had to say what was right. And then today I was determined to find out what you think, what the British public think, not what the elite class think, but what you think. And so I decided to run a special mega poll on YouTube. Look, it was only launched three hours ago, but we have already had 26,000 votes. And the results are categorical. When asked, who would you vote to be Mayor of London? I've made a couple of assumptions here, by the way. I've assumed that Sadiq Khan is going to run again because that is what he has indicated for Labour. And at the moment, as a placeholder, I have put

Susan Hall, good friend of mine, great woman. She ran last time as the Conservative Standard Bearer. She probably won't, I imagine, at the next selection. But for the moment, I've put her as a placeholder, alongside Layla Cunningham for Reform UK, that's now confirmed, and Middleton, who has confirmed that he will be running as an independent. He will be here on outspoken for his first major interview of the year the week after next when he returns to London. And as I say, already 26,000 votes, that's extraordinary in just three hours. And look at that. Just 2% voting for Sadiq Khan, 6% for Susan Hawke. Maybe that's not a surprise. but double the votes for Aunt Middleton, 63% compared to Leila Cunningham's 29%.

So look, I'm glad that you feel the same way as me. I didn't know that you would. I assumed that you would. But just remember, we're not crazy. We're not crazy when every single person on X is. attacking us. There is a reason that we have a right to be concerned about this candidate selection. But of course, I respect many of you have a different view, and I want to debate that now with my good friend, the great Colin Brazier.

And Colin has been very clear he takes a different position on this issue. He posted yesterday. I spent a few hours at Reform H.Q with Leila recently. She is whipsmart, articulate and nuanced. Her views were thought through, coherent and firmly of the right. I failed to see why having Muslim parents puts her beyond the pale for some parts of the Conservative movement. And he added on the raw politics of this. A poll of general election voting intentions today showed that the combined Tory reform vote is 45% to 48% for Labor Lidem's Greens.

If the right wants to win power, it must not succumb to the Internet Signs strife. That is the hallmark of the left. Colin, so good to have you back on Outspoken. Happy New Year. What do I have wrong? You've heard my rant. What do I have wrong about Layla? Well, I tell you what you've got wrong straight away, Dan, is the poll. How did you find 2% of your correspondents who are willing to vote for Sadiq Khan?

We're a broad church, Colin. We're a broad church. You're so broad, a church. You're practically a cathedral, man. Extraordinary. Just to go through some of your note to begin with, let's just take this step by step if I may. And by the way, it's worth stressing in all this. I joined Reform as one of its quarter of a million members a couple of months ago.

I'm not here as an apologist for reform or Nigel Farage. I have no ambitions to stand for election for the party. Sadly, because I think you would actually be a great candidate for them. If it was Colin Brazier running for mayor, then I'm on board. But okay, fine. So I say this as somebody who looks at Britain, knows that radical changes needed. I voted with Camille Badnock. She's not got what it takes.

The party doesn't have what it takes to answer the. Difficult questions, almost impossible questions that this country now needs to find answers to. So that's why I joined. But I'm not here, as I say, as an apologist for reform more generally. On Leila, yes, I did meet her. In fact, I'll come back to him a second. Let me talk about your digest first down. I thought it was a mistake for hers to talk about the far right.

You know, that's just a phrase that ought to be banished from her vocabulary completely. Big mistake. And not true. That's been asked about your religion. I think it really matters, actually, Dad. I think that when, you know, famously when Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair's then spin doctor, said, we don't do God when somebody had the temerity to ask whether George W. Bush and Tony Blair had prayed together. I think it really matters, actually.

I think the people who rulers, we need the fullest possible understanding of what guides their morality. So it does matter. I know I was struck by the honesty. I mentioned Kevin O'Mock a moment ago. I was struck by her honesty. in an interview a while ago when she was asked about her faith or wanted it and she said actually I've lost it

and she explained why but she was asked about it and she spoke openly about it and I disagreed with the outcome with her logic but actually I like the fact she answered the question in a very candid way in terms of your point your fundamental point Dan

I wish you'd come on and be sitting here rather than me because I think she does have questions to answer Like all candidates do, of course you've got questions to answer. In particular, you know, as a gay man, as a gay Londoner, you want to ask her, as you might put a question to a staunch Catholic candidate. How does your social conservatism in any way influence your politics, inform your politics, and will that be something that comes through in the policies that you enact? That's an entirely legitimate question. It's also a legitimate question to say you flip-flopped.

Are you an opportunist, opportunist? I mean, opportunism in politics is as old as the hills. Winston Churchill crossed the floor, not once but twice, from the tourists, the liberals, and back from the liberals, back to the conservatives again. He also, by the way, had no particular loyalty to one constituency or the other. Yes, she stood for Rotherham. Now she's standing to be mayor of London.

I hate to say, that's what politicians do. They shop around for the most likely seek that's going to deliver them some power. They're in it for the power. of course they're in it for the power and we shouldn't be surprised by that if we don't like it we should stand ourselves and convince the public to vote for us

so I think some of your questions are legitimate down where you and I think are going to part company is that for me at the end of the day this is this is not a choice it's not like becoming a communist you know if you're generally speaking if you're born a Christian that's not as David Goodhart

the language he would use it's not an achieved characteristic it's an ascribe characterist. It's just something you're born into. And you can flex that, as my kids would say, to a greater or lesser degree. Is she flexing it? Is she wearing her Islam lightly or heavily on the point about the tattoo? I don't know what that tells us really. Has she gone on the record with any overtly hardline Islamic views? I don't think so. I'd be very surprised. No, but she hasn't been asked anything about it, Colin. And that is something that concerns me. that's why I wanted to have her here. I guess where I disagreed with your post is that you said,

I fail to see why having Muslim parents puts her beyond the pale. And that suggests that she is not a practicing Muslim. Now, my understanding is that she is. But she doesn't talk about it. And I want to know. and I do think we have a right to know. Would it really change my view, though? Probably not, because I just don't feel like given the challenges that we're facing in London, having a Muslim is the right person to try and solve those challenges. I also believe it's a strategic mistake. I mean, I don't think she's going to win, Colin.

I honestly don't. Like, I think reform shows a fundamental misunderstanding. to the Islamic community in London. It's like, so you capitulate, you're not going to win anyway. Do you see what I mean? No, I do see what you mean. And it's in a sense why your poll, though helpful, is useless in the sense that it's a national poll, whereas London is very particular, it's our capital city with a very distinct

set of demographics. One of the problems I'm not here as, I'm not here as an apologist for reform. I'm not here as an apologies for Islam. I have deep misgivings about political Islam. I have deep misgiving is actually about Islam. I mean, you played that quote from Megan Kelly there. Render unto God, what is due to God, render under Caesar, what is due to Caesar. That vital separation between church and state or mosque and state, which is not there within Islam. And I resist this characterization of Islamophobia because it's just the means of closing down legitimate debate about the rights and wrongs of what is fundamentally a creed which governs the lives of its adherence.

So I want to talk about it. It's important that we talk about it. But at the end of the day, as a Catholic, Dan, I believe that all men are my brothers. And I think that ultimately, it's for people to show by dint of their actions, what kind of person they are, not even whether they wear a tattoo on their arm,

but how they behave with their fellow men and women, whether they can prove they are adequate, quick-witted, strategic thinking public servants. None of that we know about her yet. She's not run anything. And I think you're probably right, by the way. nor do I think she will she end up running London. I think the numbers are a guinea, and that's the brutal truth of it.

I rather suspect, actually, in all this, she'll spend the next couple of years doing lots and lots of media interviews at which she's very, very good, and she will help be part of the decontamination project for reform. Here's Zia, here's Leila, we can be trusted by all elements and all parts of the community. And I think that's a very sensible and shrewd strategy from Nigel Farage. and in my book used to be applauded for it. It's an interesting one. It's an interesting one. I mean, if you actually look at London

and who is the biggest threat to Sadiq Khan, it's the tit whisperer. It's Zach Polanski. It's the leader of the Green Party, Colin. Because if he runs, he's an Islamist. Okay, he's not Muslim.

He's not Muslim, but he's an Islamist, Colin. And actually, is that the only way a Leila Cunningham or an Aunt Middleton could win. I mean, this is one thing I think we can say is this is going to be a fascinating race. It is going to be an absolutely fascinating race because if the tit whisperer goes for it, certainly there's a lot of people who love Khan in London, the Islamists, but their disillusion with the Labour Party. The Greens are now on the Islamist party. That is undeniable. That could split the vote. I don't think Polanski beats

Khan, could it split the vote and have a right-wing candidate coming through? I mean, I don't think so, but it's possible, isn't it? I mean, Colin, surely at the very least what we can say at the moment, and obviously you have been a watcher of British politics for a long time, these are unprecedented times. The uni party is being smashed, which sort of does mean nothing's off the table at the moment. You're absolutely right. And a couple of things I would observe, Dan. One is that when I went online yesterday and this morning, for the first time, I think I really began to see that distinction that's being drawn between people like Conner Tomlinson who would accuse, he's never said this, but would accuse, I imagine, people like me, not me directly, but people like me of being part of a generation that just doesn't get it anymore.

The boomers who just lived through happier times, more stable times with better prospects, and we do not get what it's really like at the coal face. And to a great degree, there is some legitimacy to an argument. I suppose the other point is, for me, this is being a clarifying moment. Forget the election in 2028. What happened yesterday, the announcement itself, is a clarifying moment. Almost in its own way as clarifying as the killing of Charlie Kirk in America was a clarifying moment, because it brought home to a lot of people that the culture wars are not bloodless, actually, that the two sides are so vehemently opposed now.

But also that Charlie Kirk and his side of the argument were within the argument. and that's borne out in the polls, it's borne out in public debate. And of course, once one side begins to win the argument, we've spent so long on the right being the counterculture, but the expectation now is that there will be a reform government. I think people are beginning to become a little bit complacent down. When complacency creeps in, you get the internecine stuff. You get the conflict between pragmatists,

I would consider myself a thoughtful conservative pragmatist and the ethno-nationalists. And by the way, I don't denigrate a lot of where people are coming from. You know, I grew up in Bradford, I've travelled widely in the Islamic world. I have serious misgivings about where we're heading as a nation. It's one of the reason I joined reform. But we're beginning to see some of the little fissures and fractures, which will be exploited by those on the left,

who will say, look, this is where the country will go. The sorts of divisions traditionally we've seen on the left, the people's duty in front the judic, all that rubbish, all that division, I worry, is coming to our door. You could put a different spin on it, Dan. You might be right, which is we're a long way for a general election, and we are still teasing out what this movement stands for, who leads it, and what kind of manifesto ultimately goes before the British public in 2029. And that's a legitimate point of view. No, I mean, I think both points of you are right. But again, I would stress that's why Layla Cunningham made the biggest mistake yesterday. Because

rather than actually thinking, okay, does Dan Woodson Lawrence Fox have a point? Or is the point that they're making maybe something that a lot of Reform UK voters agree with? Is there something I can do to try and, I guess, take away some of their concerns about the fact that I am a Muslim? Rather than do that, it was just far right, bottom feeder, racist. Well, that's not going to work. It doesn't work anymore. I don't care. I don't care anyone who knows me, knows that's ludicrous. Come on. It's ludicrous. It's not even backed up. And by the way, Harry Cole had to delete his post calling me a racist twat because I would have sued his fat ass. And trust me, I would have won. Because questioning Islamism. Questioning a Muslim candidate is not illegal in this country yet. There is no blasphemy law yet. I say yet because it's coming.

But to immediately say that that is racism is not only proof that you are intellectually, not all there. It shows that actually there are a lot of moments when those who claim to be conservative, claim to be on the right, will use those left-wing slurs to try and silence debate. That's not going to work. You're not going to silence me. You can't use that racist far-right slur anymore to shut me up.

It's not happening. You should have come here, Layla Cunningham. You should have had a discussion with me. That would have been the best thing to do. And you didn't. The most disgusting story of the week is Slippery Stama and again something that the mainstream media will not tell you

Slippery Stama wants war He wants a war He wants British boots on the ground in Ukraine Now regular viewers will know I am not a supporter of this war I never have been and I am absolutely disgusted at the idea that this man

who actually hates Britons who especially hates white working class Christian Britons now believes that the solution to his political problems is boot on the ground in Ukraine. I'm disgusted by I am completely disgusted by the lack of debate over this.

Honestly, in 26 seconds at PMQs yesterday, he thought he had shut down any debate over this issue whatsoever. Watch. Along with President McCrown and President Zelensky, we agreed a declaration of intent on the deployment of forces in the event of a peace deal. Mr. Speaker, we will set out the details in a statement at the earliest opportunity.

I will keep the House updated as the situation develops and were troops to be deployed under the declaration signed, I would put that matter to the House for a vote. Now, this is where the movement in the right around the world has changed significantly. In the past, someone like me would have been described as a hawk. No longer. We have learned our lesson.

Britain first. There is an invasion of our own country, God damn it. What the hell are we doing thinking about putting troops on the ground in the Ukraine? Put the troops on the ground at Dover. Put the gunboats in the channel. There is a war. There is a war on the United Kingdom. There is an invasion every single day into this country.

And I'm sickened. But the reality is that we're not even ready. We're not even close to being ready as Paul Embry, one of the only sensible people on the left in this country, posted Ukraine as the second largest country in Europe by area and has a population of 40 million. The British government has just agreed to deploy troops there to enforce the peace in the event of a deal with Russia. Our armed forces have been cut to the bone and we cannot even police the English Channel. Can someone explain to me how this is going to work, please? Colin Brazier added, Our government also says UK peacekeepers will help train Ukrainian soldiers.

After four years of battle-hardening war, I should think the reverse. It's probably true. More hubris. I mean, Colin Brazier, it's almost laughable, as you say, the idea that we even have troops to send. But does it not show you that Stama is so fundamentally out of the war? touch with his people, that he believed this could be the way to save his premiership. You know, the idea that he can try and pretend to be a hard man internationally, even though we know Trump ignores him, doesn't give a damn about what he has to say.

But the British public are not going to be up for this, Colin. We've had enough. And, I mean, I think we'd had enough after Iraq, to be honest. But not Ukraine. This is not our war. The war is at home. the war is in the channel. I would like to see our military assets used in the channel.

I would like to see, I would like to see Trump put pressure on the French to allow British troops on French beaches. Yes. It's impossible and hasn't been thought of. I don't think, I agree with you about the corrosive effect on British public trust in military and martial adventurism post-second Gulf War.

Didn't stop David Cameron committing troops and fighter jets to dislodge Wama Gaddafi. Colonel Gaddafi, I interviewed him not long before he was killed in Libya. And when he fell, all the chaos and anarchy that followed, created a wide open passage through which migrants could pass through to the Mediterranean, onto Italy and other points west and north, including the UK. We have exchanged in this country warfare, the ability to wage warfare for welfare after the peace dividend was declared in the early 90s after the fall of the Berlin War. We decided as not just the UK, Western countries generally, that they would spend money on welfare rather than tanks. And it's coming home to roost then.

It's coming home to roost. I was in, I was with the American Army, actually. I was with their third infantry division in 2003 in Iraq. And to see the might that they can bring to bear on an adversary was simply shocking and awe-inspiring. But even then, at the time, the UK military, the British Army, was able to assemble the first arm of division, like 15,000 men, and commit them to a war for some weeks or months. We couldn't do anything remotely like that now. I think, and again, this is why I'm not an apologist for Nigel Farage. or reform, there are a member I may be.

I think Nigel was wrong when he said that he wouldn't commit to this operation if he was in charge, that he would want to see more nations involved. I get why he would say that. But if it's a straight choice between it's us and the French or we don't do it at all, I think we have to do it then. And I say that for several reasons, but one of the reasons is the only way we're going to get back the Marshall Society and the military prowess that we need as an independent nation.

is to commit forces in theatre. And I hate to say this, because I suspect we'll be found out. In just the same way that we were found out in 2003, Dan, with our crappy, thin-skinned land rovers, which turned into mobile coffins for dozens of brave British soldiers. And I think we would be found out, sadly. But I think the site of coffins arriving back at RAF Brise Norton from eastern Ukraine would concentrate mines in the most horrible way.

and we would have to start making the tough choices that we really should be making this country now between deciding whether we can raise the two-child benefit cap or continue. Oh, totally. Alistair Heath in The Daily Telegraph today saying we've got a double. We've got a double spending on our military.

It's got to be 5% of GDP. But what did he do? That no politician is brave enough to do, Colin. But here's where we're going to cut. Here's where we're going to cut in order to do. do it. And I am all for that, by the way, because I do believe in a strong military. But where I disagree is that not this war. Not this war. Absolutely not. And actually, I think it would be something that would genuinely unite the left and right of British politics. I think this is

where Stama and his advisors make massive miscalculations. I don't think they understand how the sands of geopolitics are shifting. I think this would be a hugely unpopular decision on both sides of politics, actually. Dan, I think you're half right. I think the sands have definitely shifted in the sense that the idea now that you could say to my kids, you're going to join a conscript army

and expect them to willingly sign up. Those days are gone. I think that the, as we've discussed before, and as people understand now, This is a country which publicly shows a lot of signs very often of not particularly liking the white working class who traditionally have signed up in droves to defend this country from adversaries. So I think that is true. It's also true. We still have a smaller but still a very professional army who will do what they can if required to do so.

And if they were committed to Ukraine, and by the way, I think, you know, I was saying to one of the kids this morning, Dan, that I remember being at a press conference. I think it was 2000, 2001, Tony Blair was prime minister. Putin was in Oxfordshire giving a press conference. George W. Bush then used to call Vladimir Putin, it sounds unthinkable now, putty-putes. We thought he was the good guy. We thought he was the good guy, this cuddly good guy who wasn't drunk all the time, like Yeltsin.

And he's turned out to be monstrous. And I think I say to those people who, I mean, I love Russia. I think Russia's a fantastic country, and I want this war, this horrible war to end and stop. Ukraine and Russia being bled white by this hideous war. But anybody who thinks that Putin is going to stop here, it just needs to read some of this military history and wake up and smell the bloody hummus because he's not going to give up.

The only way this ends is either when he's swept from power or he dies of cancer or something like that. And until then, I'm afraid to say, we need to maintain our defensive crouch and see him off. reports of Putin's death or near-death experiences apparent rumored battles with cancer, I think, long exaggerated. Actually, long exaggerated, as far as I can tell, he's back and fighting fit. Breaking today, the hard left want to destroy everything in the United Kingdom, so they have decided that the most popular TV show in the country,

actually the only TV show, that anyone in the country watches now en masse together as a collective, even though it's on the British Bashing Corporation. This is The Traitors hosted by Claudia Winkleman. Guess what, folks? It's racist. It's racist, that's right.

The Traitors, which is literally a show where you put a group, a cross-section of British society, It's not political. People make judgments about who is their biggest threat. And sometimes if they are the biggest threat, they get booted off. But the hard left have decided, and by the way, Woke ITV has lent credibility and push this argument that the traitors is racist.

So how have we got here? I hear you ask, well, it is because the first three, and by the way, block your ears if you don't want spoilers, but the first three people, or sorry, the first two and now a third person booted off this show were so-called people of colour. So you had the two women of colour, Judy and Nettie. Judy was banished in the first roundtable. Nettie was the first murder victim. And then last night, The black boyfriend of a white contestant, Ross, that kept their relationship hidden from fellow contestants, was also voted off the show. Now, to describe this as racist shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the format, you don't vote people off because you dislike them. You vote people off because you want to win the show.

They might be a threat. Peter Lloyd on this, reality TV shows are racist if blacks are eliminated first, says Scarlet Douglas, who just cashed a fat chick being a I'm a Celebrity, D-E-I-hire. And of course, it was Good Morning Britain, the wokenest show in the country. A show that is so significantly dying on its ass that it has just had to cut its studio in half. because it's done, it's finished. They're going to be out of a job soon enough. But they decide to push this argument that the traitors is racist.

Narenda Kaur. Another one of those grifting race baiters in this country given a platform by the mainstream media posts on this, another reality TV series where black contestants are voted off first. The racism is glaringly obvious, and it's astounding people keep, gaslighting us that it's just a damn coincidence. The data would suggest otherwise. A reoccurring theme, two out of three people on the murder list are people of colour, the person being accused

consistently as a person of colour, the first two people taken out of the game are two black women. It's astounding. The media aren't discussing the racism on the traitors and reality TV shows in general in the UK. Let's just call it what it is. Racism. Narinda Korr started her career on a reality TV show called Big Brother, where I seem to remember she did okay. And I've covered these reality shows for a long time. Let me just think of some of the stars that have been propelled to fame and fortune as a result of their appearances on British reality shows. Alexandra Burke and JLS on The X Factor. Alicia Dixon on Strictly Come dancer Nadia Hussain on the Great British Bake Off.

This is just bullshit and I'm sick of it. But the left are going wild for it. The Canary has penned an entire feature explaining that the traitors is not just racist but also a term called ableist. They write, the traitors show society's racial bias. So far this series, both of the people who have gone home have been women of color. Judy was banished at the first roundtable and Nettie was the first murder victim. The mostly white contestants, they're not mostly white, by the way. If you look at any reality show in this country, including the traitors, there is a disproportionately high number of disabled people, of people with stutters and stammer's and people with no legs and black people

and Asian people and mixed-race people, trust me. The contestants are not mostly white, but we are still a majority white country at this point. But they write, the mostly white contestants piled on duty for being on the whole too brash and changing her personality too much. When white contestants were accused, they picked out physical things that are done,

such as seeming more anxious after taking the blindfold off. Because it's not just people of colour that are treated badly on the traitors, disabled people are of course treated exactly as they are in society, The worst display of ableism, but sadly true is life is the way a contestant with ADHD was treated in series one. Aaron was consistently accused of being a traitor because others said they felt like he'd drilled them from information. They also pointed to the fact that he's always nervously bouncing about. Abelism is coming out in this series too.

Back to this series of the traitors, Nettie, the first murdered, also had a limb difference like Nicky. Though a disability wasn't identified, suspicion was cast on duty. when she pulled away from pushing the massive cart up the hill. This was seen as her not caring, despite the fact she's in her bloody 60s and was obviously knackered. The one I'm most nervous about is whether Jesse, who has a stutter comes under the microscope,

it will be absolutely awful if they also inevitably turn on her and claim she's faking too. So this is what the left do now. They destroy anything good, they destroy anything positive. But Colin Brazier, they have fundamentally missed the point. point with this one, which is that it's actually a compliment on the traitors. I know you're not

a big fan, Colin, but it's a compliment if you were voted off early in the traitors. It's not like on, I don't know, Big Brother where it's like, we hate you, we're going because you're annoying. That's not how it works. You're voted off the traitors if we're suspicious of you. We're worried about you. We think you might be a threat. You might win. Have they actually watched it? Have they actually watched the mechanics of how it works, how the voting actually works. I spent 25 years, as you know, at Sky News where it was necessary for me to feign interest in all kinds of things from women's football to the latest reality TV show. One of the joys of pottering around with sheep and pigs these days and a little bit of dabbling in the culture wars is not to have

to be across this sort of stuff. I find life can be very fulfilling without reality TV shows. So I have to say, and cover your ears, those people who find this astonishing. But until this afternoon, when your producer's so looking talking about traitors, I'd never seen it. I really haven't. But it's a brilliant. I'm aware it's a massive phenomenon. It's a huge money spinner. It's become. Well, it's the only thing the BBC do anymore, Colin, which is actually genuinely positive. And I mean that. Like, even strictly is no longer big anymore. People love it. And you are so good at picking to pieces what people say. You're absolutely right about the over-representation of DEI on the show. Absolutely

right. I know you showed some stills from Good Morning, but it's a shame we couldn't play any of the footage because I saw the interview with the woman who was coughing about this. Scarlet Douglas, yeah. Scarlet Douglas, there she is. And Ed Balls, a former senior politician, Shadow Chancellor MP, et cetera, et cetera, husband to Yvette Cooper. At one point, he goes along with this fiction in the most craven and sycophantic way. And he should be challenging it. He should be challenging it. Why are you bringing this up, Scarlett?

Do you really believe that a program like Traitors is the product of unconscious bias? What does that even mean in this context? Are we really saying that's what's happening here? It debases the whole currency of racism. Racism exists, of course it does. And by the way, it's a two-way street, and it's happened forever that racism come into contact with one another. And this idea, to me, and I think for many of our viewers, Dan,

that somehow it's a one-way street and something like a construct like unconscious bias can only apply as perpetrated by white people against black people, I think is ludicrous. But there's, Good Morning Britain, choosing to do this story. They didn't need to accept this woman as a guest with her nonsense, but they've got her on because they want to stir the pot. It's like watching Students' Union TV. And I think you're right.

I mean, organizations like that with that sort of editorial agenda do not deserve to survive. They don't. I don't think they will, though, Colin. I mean, it's really interesting, isn't it? And obviously, we're people who spend a great deal of time. in the mainstream media, we're very disillusioned with what happened in front of our very eyes. It was one of the reason, and this is obviously how we became friends and colleagues, both decided to join the launch of GB News.

And I find it astonishing seeing what's happening to ITV. I mean, I worked at ITV daytime right for 10 years. I was there for a decade between 2009 and 2019. And they can't afford to run the operation anymore, Colin. The teams behind the scenes are slashed. They are in tiny studios now. They don't have any studio audience. It's like the reality is hitting.

And it's not just because of technological change. It is because we are sick of the editorial agenda, which they push. And we don't have to take it anymore. We don't have to watch it anymore. And, Dan, the birds are coming home to roost. If you look, it's not just ITV, of course it's not. What's the old quote about change comes slowly and then very quickly? You know, and if you look at the Christmas viewing figures for the BBC,

the likes of which, even five years ago, senior executives at the BBC, it would have been the stuff of their worst nightmares. People are deserting mainstream media in droves because they look a guff like this and they see questions not being, well, They question the mere fact that they're having to listen to this as a story. Is this a new story with all that's going on in the world right now? Some self-promoting, presumably victim status, yearning, Zed-less celebrity coming on and saying reality TV shows are racist.

Really? When you've got Iran, you've got Nicaragua, you've got a million-one stores going on right now, and that's what Ed Balls is focusing on. It's tough for him. Because, you know, you know, it's like, Dan, you're in a studio, you don't want to go again the grain of things. But actually, you do have a duty to call garbage out. You know, he should have said to, what are you doing this? What, you know, what's the angle?

What's the angle for you? Tell me what it is, but he didn't. Breaking today, King Charles has refused to meet Prince Harry on his visit in a matter of days to the United States. United Kingdom. In a major U-turn for the monarch, who just a couple of months ago believed that reconciliation with his wayward son was the solution, Charles has realized that was a massive mistake. A huge strategic error. He should have listened to his eldest son, Prince William. Here's the revelation briefed by Buckingham Palace to the Times newspaper. Prince Harry not planning to meet King Charles on visit to the UK.

The newspaper's royal editor, Kate Mansy, writing the Duke of Sussex has no plans to meet the king when he returns to the UK for his court case against associated newspapers this month. Prince Harry will attend his trial against the publisher of the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday in London while the king is likely to remain in Scotland. Here's the key line. Royal sources. Now, trust me, this is directly from Buckingham Palace, have indicated that the king has no intention of being linked to the court case, as typically a monarch would be expected to stay clear of any active legal proceedings. The king last met his son in London in September when he was visiting the UK. They had tea at Clarence House in a 50-minute meeting. It was the first time father and son had been reunited in 19 months. Now, this is all.

part of a major change in strategic direction by King Charles, because he has also briefed, his team has also briefed to Buckingham Palace, that for the first time he agrees with his eldest son that before there is any reprosh mon, Harry and Megan must apologize. Rebecca English, the Royal Editor for the Mail. reporting my sources say that while the king would never wish his young son ill and has been pained by the circumstances around their estrangement he also remains extremely wary of welcoming him back

given events of the past few years much has been made of their meeting at Clarence House in September the first between them for 19 months and while people are reluctant to comment on the circumstances knowing how hysterical the Sussexes can be about wrongly perceived palace briefings and leaks The impression I get is that the king felt slightly railroaded into it. In truth, he knew that if he refused to meet Harry, then this would inevitably have been weaponised against him at some point in the future, better to meet and then retreat instead.

For what it is worth, Harry has dismissed reports that he felt like an official visitor when he met the king at a media-led invention designed to sabotage reconciliation between father and son. However, most in royal circles are firmly of the belief that for any meaningful reposh mom to be made, the prince owes his father, and his family, an apology for the way he has behaved. And given this is unlikely to be forthcoming, the gulf between Harry and the Windsor remains. So what's going on here, and I can say this, as someone who has reported on the Royals for years, but not officially as part of the Royal Rota, is that King Charles has realized that it was a strategic error to reunite with Prince Harry. The public are not with him.

the public are with William and Catherine, who believe that Harry should remain in exile, something that is going to be incredibly difficult when it looks like we, the British taxpayer, are about to have to fund his security again. So there's a huge amount going on here. Let me bring in Colin Brazier, and Colin, you may know, covered the royal family for many years. Yeah, many years in your early days at Sky News, right? But you did also cover lots of major setpiece royal events over the years. Colin, this is obviously very interesting.

It's strategic. I think Harry is making a huge mistake in terms of this court case with the Daily Mail. He is quite literally relying on criminals and phone hackers who have been, paid in some cases to make up evidence. I mean, I've been looking at all of this. The judge is clearly very concerned. This is a case, I believe, Colin, which is based on personal vengeance, personal desire to see the Daily Mail shut down, to see Piers Morgan go to jail, to see me ruined. You know, that's what these cases are really about. Is the king right to say, Harry, while you are continuing these legal battles versus the British press,

I absolutely cannot see you. He did it before, Dan. When it was the Mirror Group newspaper in the dock, the king then said, I will distance myself while this is happening. And I get that. I mean, the institution of monarchy is deeply sensitive to being too adjacent to trouble, which is why Prince Andrew, as was, as being cast into the outer darkness. just on the point about, I'll just go through a couple of points of May, just on the point about

security. I actually think, I know Celia Walden wrote this recently, didn't she, that I think the case for Harry's security is unanswerable. I'd rather he wasn't in this country at all, but if he has to come here, then he needs to be safe. And I say that because I remember going to Camp Bastion in Afghanistan years ago to do some filming when he was a helicopter gunner, an Apache helicopter gunner. And there are some very. bad people in this country who, given the opportunity, would do Prince Harry as a former captain in the British Army harm. So I think he does require armed security when he's in the country. On your point about the strategic decisions that have been taken by the royal family,

look, it was very divisive. I think as time goes by and the dust settles and people think about spare, they think about the Netflix documentary, they think about how between them, They managed to unsettle her late majesty in her final months, absolutely disgraceful behaviour by them, by many measures utterly unforgivable. And I think that the truth of the matter is, and it's a crude and blunt truth, is that Harry and Meghan,

they have spent a lot of their celebrity capital by being in proximity with this extraordinary institution. Look, good kings and bad kings come and go. Good princes, bad princes come and go. I'm a monarchist. I'm in it for the institution. As Edmund Burke said, it's all about the institutions, not the personalities. Prince Charles will be succeeded in time by a perfectly good successor,

who in time will be succeeded by a perfectly good successor. The institution rolls on, and that's what you support. That's what I support. I have, there's bits of Prince Charles, King Charles, I like. I have some misgivings about some of the things he says. But the institution is what matters. and Meghan have traded off their proximity to that institution. And now, Dan, now their supplicants, they've got very little to offer. So if the royal family do want to go down

this road, permanently forever in perpetuity snubbing them, they can do. On a human level, and again, for me, this is one of the attractions of monarchy, that it is almost a nationalised family and that all the tensions within a family are played out on this massive public stage. On a human level, the idea of King Charles, who's got his health troubles, not seeing his grandchildren. I've entered that sort of phase in life now where I'm really looking forward to some of my children having children and becoming a grandparent and what a joy that would be. And I think for him to be deprived of that opportunity to make that connection with his grandchildren is a human tragedy. But, you know, as you know, Dan, this is a family that has to rise above that. They're ours. They're a nationalised family. They own by us, the British people. We are their subjects, but they also, in a sense, belong to us. And they have to. And they are cognizant of what we feel about the decisions that they actually make. And the public is again, Harry and Megan, and wouldn't care if they never came to the UK ever again.

Absolutely. So much to pick up on there, Colin. Couple of points. Firstly, on security, I think what the massive risk is. And I know this is what Prince William is very concerned about, is that things aren't working out for Harry in America. So this security decision is going to be used to almost set up a rival royal court to William in the United Kingdom. Harry will spend a hell of a lot more time here. And he also wants to get international protected person status back, which I believe would mean something quite unconscionable to us as British taxpayers, right, we would have to pay when Harry was on these fake royal tours and, you know, really actually genuinely

dangerous places like Colombia and Nigeria. We would be paying for his armed security. That's unconscionable to me. So that's why I don't want him to get the security back. In terms of the personal, I do think this is the big difference between Charles and William. Absolutely, Charles maybe a similar stage. Well, no, you were a lot younger than him. You know what I mean? Yes, he's thinking of grandkids and he's got that sentimentality.

There's a ruthlessness to William, and that ruthlessness means that, no, you're going to be the Duke of Windsor, Harry. The Duke of Windsor means exile, permanent exile. And you remember back to that, you know, yes, Queen Elizabeth II did go, didn't she? At the very last moment to see him at his deathbed in France, you know, at the home in France. But, you know, he was never really allowed back because he made a choice. And remember, this is all what they said to Harry, pre-Mexit, or post the announcement, but pre the actual formality, pre-the-Sandrian and summit. There are consequences to this. But I did want to share something with you, which I think is far more significant. It's something I've reported for a long time.

But Tom Sykes, who is the brilliant European editor at large for The Daily Beast, but also runs the Royalist substack, has backed up my report. reporting on this. And I think it shines much more of a light on why William has that ruthlessness. And let me just sum it up. William in part blames Prince Harry and Megan Markle for Catherine's cancer battle. Now, some people might say, well, that's irrational. Where's the proof of that emotionally, as a father and husband, he feels that the stress contributed. It's this key paragraph from Tom Sikes that I want to share with you in his most recent reporting. Charles remains hopeful that Harry, William and he can all be reconciled. However, William, who blames his brother for worsening stress on his wife and believes stress may have

contributed to his wife's cancer, has made it clear that he has no interest in pursuing that path. Now, Colin, a lot of people might say, well, it's not fair. It's not fair. You can't know. But does that not tell you a little bit about where Williams heads at and why for him, forgiving Harry and Megan is just not even, it's not even on the table. It's not even, a prospect. It's not something that he or Catherine will ever do in my opinion based on my reporting. We're not privy to her confidential oncological reports. But one thing that does happen when your spouse faces a battle with cancer and sadly I speak wherever I know is it does put things into perspective. And I think we can say with conviction, we may, we don't

know where the stress has had any bearing on a medical outcome but it will have affected her husband profoundly it this is already somebody who feels the weight of the world on his shoulders you know coming into the world and realizing i'm the air i'm going to be the head of state for this country that still matters and in that role you would expect and demand and be entitled to expect the support of your one sibling and harry has consistently shafted him and um and um I think it's so utterly unforgivable some of what Prince Harry has done. And I think that Catherine having cancer and struggling with that as an evidence of she will have done, will have put iron into Prince William's soul and will have made him face up to some hard realities in a way that may have been otherwise more difficult than has been.

They are stars, by the way, Dan, aren't they, that family. Oh, God, yeah. Catherine together and they're I don't know who's doing their media the media ops you do I'm sure but they're getting it consistently right be seen to be doing the right things not just be seen to be doing it do them do the functions there is no substitute there and being seen by people this is them today Colin just before you go on here they are today realizing it's a really difficult time in the NHS and so there they are

no big fanfare but means a lot. People adore them. You know, it was one, somebody once showed me a figure for the number of, physically the number of people around the world who'd say, who'd physically seen in person, the late

Queen Elizabeth. It was in excess of it. It was into the, you know, above a million who'd actually physically seen Her Majesty to the Queen in Commonwealth, in this country, beyond. They go home and they say to their partner, to their children, to their auntie, to their uncle, to their friends in the pub, do you know, I saw, guess who I saw today? I always think in a world of, you know, advanced social media tactics, that it's really easy to forget that

at the end of the day, and as the Princess Royal's reputation, reminds us so capably, there is no substitute for putting your best Bibbon Tucker on and getting out there and pressing the flesh. And by the way, people think it's easy. People think it's easy just turning up doing this gigs. You know, Dan, it's not. Apart from anything else, and, you know, this is Princess Royal. She was once nearly kidnapped, you know, on the mile in the centre of London. Every time they do a walkabout, it can go badly wrong. Somebody can swear at them, throw something at them. God knows do worse than that. There is a stress to it. It looks like the easiest job in the world. It's actually very, very difficult to keep getting out of bed every morning, have to make small

talk with boars and nutters and all the rest of it, all the stuff that goes with that job, rather than sitting in Montecito, doing your nambi-pambi videos that nobody watches. Very well for Colin Brazier. I always love having you. Colin, it's great you're on substack now. It's a brilliant platform. So is that the best place where people can find you these days? Yeah, and my usual rantings on Twitter X, sorry as well, but thanks, Dan. Love to see you. Great to have you, Colin. See you very, very soon. Happy new. year. And we are going to reveal today's Greatest Britain Union Jackass in just one moment. First, loads of feedback coming in from you on this whole question of Layla Cunningham. So let me get to it.

She is, of course, the potential next mayor of London selected by Reform UK to run against Sadiq Khan, but question marks over her, given her Muslim faith. Kim Thomas writes, Reform has been infiltrated, and other two reform counsellors have defected to advance UK. Issyrian says reform is a waste of time. It's just a jump, ship, stop for every dissatisfied MP of any persuasion. No way they can present policies that we can trust. Catherine Weinberg says, I completely agree with you, Dan. We need Christian leaders right now. Our country is in deep trouble. We need to be grounded in our culture. Deborah Hobbins says Iran's trying to get away from Islam, but reform are holding the door open.

Fly time 767 says Leila Kani was asked about Tommy Robinson a few weeks ago. She seemed to sidestep the discussion. atheist says one's religious affiliations are important, especially with Islam, because Islam is not just a religion. It's a combined political and religious movement. Okay, a reminder of your union jackass nominees, Daninamishkoff, nominated by Kaz Quinn for saying that Starm has restored Britain's reputation around the world, Yasmid Alibaya Brown for being fine about pubs shutting, and Zara Zoltana for her childlike victimhood and hating the United Kingdom.

Okay, the results are in. 24% of you going for Nina Mishikov. The runner up with 29% Yasmin Alibaya Brown. But today's worst Britain in the world, our union jackass, Zara Sultan. Now, okay, because it is a Thursday, that means tomorrow we're going to reveal the worst Britain in the world this week.

And we see the three Union Jackass winners from across the week go head to head in one megapole, which will be on the post tab on YouTube very shortly. Remember from Monday, it was Bushra Sheikh, from Wednesday, Chief Constable, Craig Guilford, and today, Zara Sultan. Today's Greatest Britain is Katie Hopkins, nominated by Darren Donaldson for saying how it is

regarding reform and their Muslim front. Okay, we're moving over to substact now. www.outspoken.live lady Colin Campbell on deck for the uncanceled after show. You know I love her. You love her too. Come and join us over there. www. www. outspoken.com. But I will be back with you tomorrow. 5pm UK time, midday eastern, 9am, Pacific. Hit subscribe right now on YouTube. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast version of the show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.