Dan Wootton Outspoken - MAKERFIELD BY-ELECTION RESULT AS ANDY BURNHAM BATTLES NIGEL FARAGE REFORM & RUPERT LOWE RESTORE

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

Dan Wootton hosts Outspoken’s first ever election night broadcast bringing together the stars of the British independent media. We will be live on air as the result is announced in the most important by-election in British history as likely next Labour Prime Minister Andy Burnham goes head to head with Robert Kenyon for Reform UK and Rebecca Shepherd for Restore Britain. The result will determine the immediate political future for Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe. Lauren The Insider reports live from Makerfield. Connor Tomlinson provides in studio analysis. The special election night Superstar Panel features Mike Graham and Peter C Barnes. Russell Quirke represents Reform UK, Orla Minihane represents Restore Britain, James Matthewson represents Labour and Fahima Mohamed represents the Greens. LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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broadcast of outspoken as we bring together the best of the British independent media to bring you coverage of this consequential historic by-election and make a field that over the next few hours is not only going to determine who will be British Prime Minister, but also the future of the right in British politics with me all night. Connor Tomlinson, the outspoken election analyst who is going to be geeking out with the numbers. And in the studio, Mike Grail, host of the Mike Graham show, Independent Media Superstar, and Restore Britain's Alla Mini Hane. Plus, we have representatives across the night

from Reform UK, the Green Party and Labour as well. Lauren, the insider, is standing by in Makerfield. She has just spoken to Rupert Lowe on the campaign trail. Lauren, what's the feeling on the ground? Who's going to win this? Dan, so I'm outside the edge centre. the feeling is very, very strange. I have never, ever felt an atmosphere like this. There is such a heavy police presence. I managed to sneak in to the venue earlier because they have banned

all independent media. I know you'll show that clip. It is disgusting. And everyone is very much on edge here. It's absolutely crazy. We're seeing such a heavy police presence when there is no trouble. There's literally no one here. We're almost in the middle of a retail estate. Now, when we've been out throughout the day, there is a lot of support for Andy Burnham. But what is interesting is these supporters are totally and utterly being given propaganda. I challenged many of them on camera about Rupert Lowe's independent inquiry. They will not hear a bad word said about Kirstama or Andy Burnham. There are some brilliant Restore people on the ground here.

And the difference is everyone that is here with Restore is positive, is hopeful for the future. We've seen the Labour supporters constantly living in the past. They are really clutching at straws because Andy Burnham has showed us exactly who he is. Now, when it comes to reform, when I was interviewing reform supporters, I would say by and large, the majority said they welcomed Restore and they heavily indicated that further down the line they would be voting for Restore. Many of the reform voters said that at the moment,

they feel it's very early for Restore. But they love Rupert Lowe. And they ultimately, there is nothing more important, as I say time and time again, then safeguarding a child. And let's be honest, Rupert Lowe is the only one that has put himself forwards to do that. We have seen mass failures from all of the other parties.

But here there is a very, very weird atmosphere. It's like you can hear a pin drop. Behind me, you can see the police presence. And people have been very unfriendly, un welcoming. When I snuck in earlier, I pretended to be Emily Maitless. And then I pretended I was from the independent. I mean, if you're going to pretend you're from a media organisation and someone who are totally irrelevant, I thought I'd really pick two of the very, very worst.

But it's a huge night here and it is a defining night for the right. Obviously, the establishment and the legacy media want everyone to think the right is divided. But I found the reform supporters hugely welcoming, actually, and they were very honest, you know. they want change and change is something that we're all desperate for. So they were very welcoming. I found that the Labour people outside the HQ were incredibly rude. And I can't wait for outspoken viewers to see the footage later because it is explosive. Amazing. We have so much to come.

We're going to get Lauren's exclusive interview with Rupert Lowe. Plus, of course, find out what was going on outside Labor HQ. But of course, what you're going to get here is. in the independent media space is analysis that you won't in the MSM because Mike Graham, you have to admit, you have to admit the mainstream media, which thank God you're no longer a part of, just wants to pretend that Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain is not a force in this election or that there are a bunch of white supremacist neo-Nazis. It's one or the other, either irrelevant or Nazis.

And that is not the reality, is it? It's really not the world. What will prove is whether you restore are, in fact, a bump in the road, whether they are actually going to be. able to get more than 10%. I think Connor said he thinks they will. I was talking to Richard Tyson the other day, my good friend, as you have described him in the past. He was on the show saying he thinks everyone's

going to lose their deposit apart from reform and labour. So we'll see about that. I think if Restore get less than 10%, it's a bad night for them. I think everybody kind of agrees that reform are probably not going to win this. Talking to Kate Hoary the other day, she said they made a mistake.

They made a bit of a sort of a transitional sort of schoolboy error by making out that this was the biggest by-election in the history of by-elections. And now that they're not going to win it, they're kind of going, it's not that important, you know, after all, because we'd rather be Manchester mayor, you know, that kind of thing. So it's a reform of FISTA. You concede that.

I think they have, yeah, no question. I think they haven't played it right. And I think, you know, in a funny sort of way, because they produced, you know, Rob Kenyon as the kind of the working man's hero type candidate, and then suddenly Rebecca Shepard appeared to be the same kind of individual, that kind of, that kind screwed them up as well because it meant that there wasn't any longer Andy Burnham the kind of the you know the Labour Party insider the guy who's worked with Gordon brown and Tony Blair and and everybody else in the Labour government suddenly you know it wasn't just you know David versus

Goliath it was there was two Davids in one of them was called Rebecca you know what I mean so it was kind of they kind of didn't get it right and then I think they sort of as you saw over the course of the last say two or three weeks they kind of abandoned Rob Kenyon so they left him hanging swinging in the wind and going well do what you can make You know, we'll see it later. Well, I watched your interview with Richard Tyson. It was fascinating. It was basically a total acknowledgement.

Oh, we're not even thinking about this. No. We're on to being mayor of Manchester and onto the next. Ola, do you agree with Mike, though, that under 10% for Restore Britain is a bad night? No, not at all. Look, we're four and a half months old. You know, you've got remember that the very same people that are saying, being negative, are the same people that said we wouldn't get more than 1% in Great Yarmouth.

That didn't work out. However, 10%, I believe, truly believe we are going to do much, much better than that. How well we're going to do? Have no idea. As I've always said, and I said to Mike this morning on his show, I cannot call it. I don't think anyone can call it. And actually, I think reformer very naive to say, we're going to go for the Manchester mayoral election. Nobody knows that first of all, Labour are going to win.

secondly he's still got a challenge starma it's not a done deal right and that's not down to us that's down to labour so there is so many unknowns and i think that the problem that we see all the time is people make assumptions the assumptions we're in a very different very different world now it's a very different world i mean and can i just bring bring to everyone's attention we're a conservative no one's even medd i mean this is the first by-election in my lifetime they haven't Nobody could even tell you who studied. I read unheard today saying the conservative party, you're dying, but no one cares. There's no relevance.

But we should say, we should note, and Mike, I know obviously you know a lot about Scottish politics. There are these two by-elections in Scotland tonight. We will be tracking the vote. It does look like the conservatives do have a decent chance in Aberdeen. In Aberdeen South, and, funny enough reform, I think, are being offered the chance to vote conservative in order to beat the S&P. So we'll see about that. But there is no restore candidate. Restore haven't put a candidate up there,

which has also led people to say, well, is Rupert Lowe just about screwing reform? They didn't have a branch. If they're going to make the commitment to pick local candidates who need a branch structure, and they didn't have one there. So Connor Thomanson, do come in.

What does restore Britain need out of tonight for it not to be a disaster? What does Reform UK need out of tonight for it not to be a disaster? And for Andy Burnham, actually, is a win even enough? So I think Restore need to, outperform the low-servation polling projections of about 7 to 8%.

The most interesting poll I found was the one that was leaked from the Labor Party, the internal poll that was leaked to the eye, that was poo-poohed by reform in the Daily Mail until the Daily Mail actually published. It was actually double the sample of the previous polls that you were putting on your leaflets. It was representative about 1,000 Makerfield residents that said, Restore is at 13%, labor's at 35%, at least, and the reformer at 24%. So if Restore get between the 24% on the door canvassing returns that Rupert was reporting

and the 13% that they reported in here, that's a win. If they get a close third place, then that shows that they can mobilize left behind voters and it shows as well. There's a significant lack of a vote of confidence in Reform's leadership, regardless of making comments on jokes that Rob Kenya made ages ago that, unfortunately, the party failed to stand by because it seems like a really nice bloke. what reform need to do to salvage themselves is win and they won't. And the problem reform now have is underperforming in by-elections.

So Sarah Poachan won by six votes. And that's because, and you had her on your show announcing she was going to run, Dan, Catherine Blakelop ran as basically a spoiler candidate against Nigel Farage, stole 99 votes, and it came down to that thin a margin. If Farage hadn't kicked out Rupert low, he wouldn't have almost lost that by-election. Then you go to Matt Goodwin, a complete disaster of a campaign. Hugs are Sikh decides to say that Kirstarm was going to send your kids to boarding school. or something from the top of a bus like a robot, runs like Alan Partridge,

alienates the white working class vote, and loses by over 5,000 and then cries about it and goes and writes an AI book. Complete liability. If they lose this one as well, the feeling that reform is an inevitable victory in 2029 starts to fade away. And their arguments about splitting the vote or being entitled to the right-wing vote, sort of Hillary Clinton-esque, it's my turn aura that they've now got, that starts to dissipate too. It starts to look in authentic. What does Burnham need? He's probably just going to win by default.

But even if he does win, even if he becomes prime minister, he's not going to reverse Labor's fortunes because he's hardly a generational political talent. He's going to keep in place all of Rachel Reeves's fiscal rules or Shabana Mahmood's pretend immigration restrictions. The Labour Party is a toxic brand. And as you've seen, I think it's two days ago, UGov did some polling on Andy Burnham's favorability. He started the by-election being the only net favorable prominent labor politician in the country, and now he's underwater by about 22 points.

Because as soon as they met him, they didn't like him. He's like him. You know, it was like, what's your shortcomings? The fact that you're not really a human being. Basically, you're like the rest of the idiots in labour. But I think the other thing that perhaps we're missing here, and I take your point about reform, you know, perhaps not quite making the ground that they would like to make. They have broken the two-party system, and they have managed to sort of prove that you can come through the middle.

And it might not be, it might not be working as well for them now as it was originally, but that could be a factor of the system in the sense that, you know, they're now part of the what was the two-part body system because the Tory system is dead. Yeah, has disappeared. Look, I want to talk about a couple of the controversies today. And given that you've raised Matt Goodwin, Connor, let's start with this. And, Ola, I want to put this specifically to you because I know you've been spending time in Makerfield. And there's been a lot of criticism of the Restore Britain campaigning in Makerfield. Matt Goodwin posted today on X, having been in Makerfield all day and seen the restore operation up close, I can confidently say these are the last people Britain needs. Do you know who they

remind me of? The pro-Gaza independence. Thugs and bullies. It doesn't matter what the result is. Their activists are a disgrace. Britain deserves better. Ola, you've been up there. He's calling you a thug. He's calling you a bully. He's calling your compatriots that. Has there been bad behavior all? Look, I didn't see any bad behavior. On Saturday morning, we got to make a field to the race course where everybody met. There were over a thousand people. There were men, women, old, young children, every possible demographic you could think of. And they were all there, you know, with the best will in the world to come and say, we want our country back, we want restore, we want change. We've had enough of the two-party system. We've had enough of the two-party system.

We've had enough of failed Tories. We want change. And they went out. They knocked on doors. I didn't see any bad behaviour. In fact, it was jovial. People were all taking photos. They were hugging each other.

You know, they were chatting to people on the street. They were going into pub. It was absolutely joyous to be a part of. I don't know what he's talking about. Well, Mike, you earlier in the week, you did see some videos that you thought showed the Restore Britain supporters, at least in a bad. light. What was it that you saw?

Well, I saw there was a couple of guys who may or may not be associated. They've got a car which is painted up as a Restore Britain car. Yeah, I know who you mean. I know he mean. And they passed it in front of a reform bus. And they were sort of harassing the bus driver. And the bus driver was kind of going, you know, what do you want from me guys? You know, it wasn't violent, but it wasn't pleasant in my view. And those same guys then turned up, I think, at the reform party headquarters. And they were charmed.

Well, there was a couple of, you know, what looked like very, very important. ordinary, nice looking kind of security guys who were just going, come on guys, you know. And they were sort of taunting them and going and shouting and looking for Richard Tyson. It just looked a bit yobbish and thuggish, football hooligee. Yeah, it does. But again, you know, you're brought,

you're not you per se, but, you know, we're talking about two or three people in amongst thousands who've been up there and they pick on them or their pal, you know, they look like... Yeah, but they shouldn't be doing it. They should be doing it. They should be doing it.

And at the end of the day... But, Mike, with all due respect, I've had all... online all day. They need to do this. Rupert least do it. Rupert's not a headmaster. What's he going to do? Put him into tension. You know, ultimately, these people, you can't control who joins your party and pays their 20 pounds. No, you can. I think at the end of the day, you know, if he wants to be taken seriously as a proper leader of a proper party, even if he doesn't have any effect on them, he should be saying, guys, please don't do that in our

name. He probably didn't see it in fairness, right? Well, I did. Well, you do. He has, he has done that today and then we come to the second scandal of the day, which I want to discuss. And let me show you this. This is a picture posted by Young Bob, the restore activist. G.B. Politics summed it up this way. A van displaying Muslims for reform, a stunt carried out by Restore Britain supporters, is following the Reform UK bus around McEfield. Now, what happened over the course of the day is that initially Rupert Lowe had posted that, I think, in fairness to him, believing that it was real, that actually there was a reform for Muslims bus. Then it looks like actually this was a stunt.

And so, Mike, Rupert has done exactly what you asked. He posted, to be clear, this had absolutely nothing to do with Restore Britain. I have removed the post, foolish behavior if someone has set this up, which we obviously condemn. I've also seen Connor, the likes of Harrison Pitt, condemn that type of behaviour. Do you think that was the right way for Restore to handle this? Yeah, because it's nothing to do with them. They had no knowledge of it.

And if it was genuine, as Rupert's original post or Alistair posting under Rupert, whatever, said, it was just that, oh, we don't want to play this ridiculous, pandering, minoritarian identity politics. And the fact that people did believe it does speak to a bit of a problem in reform, which is they do have a track record of doing said pandering of Nigel saying we can't alienate the whole of Islam, of elevating prominent Muslims to the top of their party, even if they aren't qualified for the role just to use them as diversity body armor. So that's sort of self-inflicted wound. Nevertheless, the fact that it, the text wasn't quite lined up on the side, the fact that there wasn't any reform branding should have probably tip people off to the fact that it was a piss take.

Like I knew it was a piss take. That's why I made a joke about it. If you are going to do that and try and present yourself as an actual reform representative, I would be very cautious trying to play that prank when the Electoral Commission come down on that sort of stuff like a ton of bricks. So it's very ill-advised behaviour. And even if you did it with the best of intentions or just trying to have a laugh, make sure your behaviour doesn't reflect poorly on the party by proxy,

especially if you're trying to be a good brand ambassador for the kind of politics that you would like to see, especially if it's an insurgent politics, and you have the entire system against you. Yes, I think... But it does tell you, doesn't it, that when Rupert can do that. So he saw it, he realised that he shouldn't have endorsed it,

and he made a mistake, and he called it out, and he said, so why doesn't he do that more? Is police the membership in terms of you, not allowed in the party. But I do want to come to that. But before that, actually, the thing that I think has horrified me most today is Reform UK creeping towards this authoritarian law fair. So I've got two examples of. First, Reform and Nigel Farage reported Andy Burnham to the police. But this was because he had apparently breached lockdown regulations in 2021. So I have a real

issue with that. I spoke about it on the main show today. But in the past, few hours, young Bob has pointed out that Chris Rose, who's someone who I like a lot, the Reform UK activist, he's a regular on your show, Mike, sometimes appears on Outspoken 2. After that, Muslims for Reform stunt,

posted, evidence has been collected. This was directly to Young Bob, and will be forwarded to the appropriate authorities. You've messed up really badly here. Stick to getting beaten up since that's the only thing you're good at doing. Young Bob replied, this fella from reform has,

in response from me taking a picture of a van, own decided to encourage me to beat up even more. If ever, God forbid, I'm ever attacked by a gang of foreign thugs or left-wing agitators, I'm assuming we'll blame you for it, considering you're justifying the violence, evil people. Now, Mike, I do think reform at the moment are showing this real authoritarian edge to them. When are they going to learn? Like, reporting Rupert Lowe to the police was an effing disaster. It was an effing disaster that has caused this. Stop it. I think they Stop it. I think they'd probably admit that now.

Because, I mean, I don't know if anybody's asked them. But yeah. And my attitude was exactly like yours when I saw that they'd reported Annie Burnham for doing something during lockdown. What are you thinking? You know, it's like years ago, one, and also two, they're supposed to be the party that's not buying into all of that nonsense. And, you know, what are they going to do next?

Say, put a mask on. You know, I mean, it's not very smart. And I think it tells you a bit about the way that reform is run at the moment. And, you know, as I say, you've painted me as this kind of, you know, cheerleader for reform and I just want to set the record straight on that one for the moment because you might have noticed that Nigel Farage has basically been giving interviews to everybody

right left and centre. You know, Nick Ferrari's had him on, Jeremy Carles had him on he's been on, I think who was, was it, was a BBC somewhere he was doing various, but anyway, it hasn't been on my show at all since January. Have you asked him? Oh yeah, all the time. How rude? Nigel, why have you been on Mike's show?

Yusuf hasn't been on my show. We get Sarah Poachin on quite a lot. You said that one of my family members works for them. No longer. There was a period period when one of my kids was working as an intern. Okay, good. Fact-check me. I like that. No, that's good. Just so that we're clear. I have been to the odd rugby match with Richard Tice, but I quite like Richard Tice. I'm quite a good guy. But I am not a member of reform. I don't vote for reform.

And I think if they wanted me to give them some proper media advice, I would give them some proper media advice. And I would say to them, you know, get your shit together. Yeah. Because what you're doing right now is appearing to be all over the place and appearing to not have a cogent kind of strategy to fight off, one, Rupert Lowe and Restore, and two, the Labour government, because let's face it, they should be winning this by-election. I don't care if Andy Burnham thinks he's king of the north. Reform should be stomping through it and literally saying to Burnham, you're part of a failed machine which is useless, ghastly, and you're not going to make it any better, and they should be

winning it by 10,000 votes. Like they did in Wigan at the locals. Yeah. They should be. But they haven't done that because I think the problem is, is they're not focused. and they're quite, I would say, to describe them as sort of all over the place is kind of what I would suggest

that is what they are. And yeah, I think, I think the way that they've handled the whole Rupert Low situation has backfired on them, totally. And to be fair, can I just pick on? Nigel did an interview recently where he literally threw Zia under the bus.

It was with James Hill, the spectator. And instead, it was Zia who did it. And I'm like, what? Another interview that I didn't get. Seriously. But, you know, Ultimately, you know, there has to be loyalty within a party. There has to be a united front or people will pick holes in it.

Now, you can say a lot of things about Restore, but nobody within that party will say a bad word about Rupert. Whether the outside think it or they don't, that's by the by. Internally, Rupert leaves the party. Everyone's behind him. No one bad mouths and no one backstage. He doesn't have anybody of a similar kind of size to himself. Or age, only me. No, but I mean, well, come on.

I think you're doing yourself down. No, the point is that, you know, Rupert Lowe is Restore, and in the same way that Nigel Farage was reform, but once you start bringing other people in... 100%. It's a different ballgame. I mean, there is no Zia-usuf figure in Restore. If there was, maybe it would be a different ballgame.

No, thank God, I'd say, but anyway, that's another story. Yeah, and there isn't likely to be. What I mean is in terms of the sort of the intellect of somebody or the person with influence or the person with money, you know, if that was the case, it might be a different ballgame. Yeah, and I think that will come. We will have to come. And at the end of the day, you know,

I know for a fact that there are many, many people that are very, very willing to step forward, business people, influencers, very wealthy people that want to donate. And, you know, Rupert has said, let me see if I can mobilize this from a grassroots standpoint where I can get the people behind me and I can really prove that we can do this without the funding, without the Rasmataz, without the fireworks. And then when we get that, then we'll move to the next stage. And I think that's admirable. And I think that's what's winning. I do want to show you the only interview that Nigel Farage has actually done today. And it's with the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Tea podcast, and he is spitting venom about Rupert Lowe.

And for me, I again think this is a big problem because I believe Nigel Farage needs to put a positive case about why Restore supporters should be supporting Reform UK. Whereas every time he's asked about Rupert, He is just so angry. He spoke before about Rupert Lowe and you told Tim and I, it's a protest vote. They'll never get above 1%. One poll has put them on 7% in that constituency. Is Rupert Lowe going to cost you this seat?

Well, I'd be a seller at 7, I have to tell you. I really would be a seller at 7. We will see. I mean, if, let us just say, in a hypothetical scenario, that the difference between us and Burnham was less than the vote that Restore get, I don't think he'd be forgiven for doing it. But he doesn't care.

It's all about vengeance. He just doesn't care. He's not interested. It's a nihilist campaign. But I understand why voters, I mean, because of what's happening with Elon, people on their social media feeds are seeing this restore stuff the whole time, and they're attracted to it. And I understand why they are.

But I very much say with what I had to say to you previously that this will not last. But if reform loses a 65% leave seat with a 97% white majority, then the country might turn around and say, well, if you can't beat Burnham here, where can you? I think you find that we're going to get our highest percentage we've ever had in a by-election as reform. whether it's enough, we'll have to wait and see. And Burnham enjoys one advantage. And I hadn't thought about this before.

When Boris Johnson was mayor of London, everyone loved him. And then he, you know, storms the victory and suddenly people don't love him. Andy Burnham is popular. Why? Because mayors of big cities are predominantly civic, not political roles. They get to do the good stuff. They get to cut the ribbons. They get to open new buildings funded by taxpayer money.

They look like local champions and heroes. So it's very, very interesting that former mayors can be popular. I honestly would say to you, if the Labour Party had put up anybody else, we'd have won it comfortably. This is going to be close. Nigel Farage is saying two things there. First of all, he's saying, if it was anyone but R. Andy. There you go.

We see Nigel Farage there being utterly vengeful about Rupert Lowe, Mike, and saying, well, it's not going to last. And to me, this is like a bloke who's having a little tantrum. And he had that little tantrum before the locals and he said, I would be surprised if Restore Britain got more than 1%. Come on. This is not a good strategy. Nigel has to work out how to deal with the fact that he is now being challenged to the right.

Yes. And I think that's why this evening's by-election is so important because how that plays out from this point on will be determined by exactly how well Restore do. As I said, if they do less than 10%, he will probably say that he's right to continue with that line of attack, and they should be considered to be minnows

and they should be considered to be just a protest party. But if they do, as Connor thinks, better than that, then he's got a problem, and he'll have to find a new way of dealing with it. He's especially got a problem because he's just made the prediction that they're going to get the highest share in a by-election ever. The threshold that they know have to cross

is above 38.7%. Because that's what Sarah Poachin won on. So if they get anything less than 38%, reform are consistently dropping their vote share. And it's of their own accord because remember, Restore Britain didn't exist for Gorton and Denton. So that reform lost that on their own accord.

And so if this becomes a pattern, this is a reform problem, not a restore being a problem for reform problem. Do you know what? And just to Nigel... Do you know what? I'm really disappointed in Nigel. I've always had the utmost respect for him,

but he is beginning to sound like a girl. That's what he's beginning to sound. It's like handbags at dawn. Rupert's this, Rupert's that. Do you know what? Does everybody really believe that Rupert Lowe is doing this out of vengeance? How pathetic. Of course he's not. He's doing what he set out to do. And we are doing what we set out to do. The fact that it didn't work in reform because they brought in all the failed Tories and they changed the party from what they promised they would be, we have now moved to restore and we are creating what we all set out to do in the first place. And now we're the ones that

are all about vengeance, all about beaten reform. It's not about beating reform. It's about giving the British people a valid right-wing alternative to get this country back to where it needs to be. I think the danger as well though is this kind of deification of politicians which I've always been against, whether it's

Tony Blair or David Cameron or Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage or Rupert Lowe. You know, don't put all of your eggs into the one basket. You know, at the end of the day, politicians will let you down. They all will. Lauren the insider is with us at the count in Makerfield.

Lauren, what's the latest from there? Dan, I'll be honest, there's an area here which is for protesters. It is only stand up to racism. Now, when I came in here and I'm really shaky. Just while we sort you a little bit, Lauren, just while we sort your audio out, I'm going to show you what happened

when you tried to get into the vote earlier today. Can you hear us now? I can't hear anything. So, the play in a video, that's fine. So this is inside where everything will be happening. Very interesting that legacy media are absolutely holding the fort here. We have seen a huge, huge block of... That's the room.

Don't push me. Thank you. Don't push me. We're seeing a huge, huge block against independent media like Dan Witten outspoken and various other... Oh, three fingers. We probably paid for these. We'll be taking a few of these. But I am inside Visit Wigan. This is the council. We're not allowed in here. So obviously Dan, I don't like being given rules. So I decided to walk in. Thank you. Have a good day. So not only did I go in where we're not allowed because we refuse to push out

propaganda, but I also took some nibbly little chocolate fingers, which let's be honest, we've probably all paid for as well. So what you will see here in the area where we're not allowed to be, I might have said I worked for the Independent, is legacy media. I mean, this is it, isn't it? Is that? Oh, no impact, but this is exactly what is happening here. Heavy, heavy police presents. You are not allowed here if you are not going to parrot the official line. I can't hear anything now. I can hear something.

me. Dan, can you hear me? I'm outside. Right. Go on. Okay, fine. So I am in an area. I want to tell you what happened. This is an area for protesters. It is full of stand up to racism and I'm not going to lie, it's really smelly in here. They are very rude and they're being very weird and they all absolutely descended on me and they were so rude. I came in and they all wanted to know immediately where I was from. I said, right, okay, I'm independent. And they then started branding me far right. And when I felt quite threatened, having them all come onto me because it wasn't very nice, I said to the police, I, sorry, I'm a Christian mother, and I feel very threatened by these people. And I then said to the lot of them, well, I hope the refugees aren't hoping for a warm welcome from you lot,

because quite frankly, you're horrible. So this is where I am, okay? And what is a astounding is we keep hearing these people. They want to tell you far right. They don't know what far right is, but they're all very busy, aren't they, reading The Guardian and all of these crazy media outlets. I can guarantee you, I bet none of these have read Rupert Lowe's independent inquiry into the mass failure of children. I bet they haven't. And you know why? Because it doesn't fit the narrative. And that is why what is happening in Maker Field is so important. We are at a crossroads, Dan, where it's right and wrong. We have these people here who want to brand me far right.

I have done nothing but advocate for safeguarding of children. These people are truly, truly vile. I want to say as well, I've never felt as shaky as I do now after they all descended on me. I've never felt like that at Unite the Kingdom. I've never felt like that anywhere. Let me go and ask if any of them want to talk. want to talk. Would anyone like to talk about Rupert Lowe's independent inquiry into the mass

rape of a minimum of 250,000 British children? Anyone? Right, no. Are you bothered? Are you bothered about the mass rape of children? No, they don't care and this is the problem. None of them are prepared to speak to you. Have you all been given your official lines or you don't know what you're meant to say, no, right, well, that's it then. They don't know what they're meant to say because obviously what we are doing is actually asking a logical question. And it would be lovely to actually be able to converse and have a conversation with them because they seem to think we're all crazy, far right, hate refugees. None of us have ever said that, have we? We are very, very clear on what our standpoint is. Patriots are fair, reasonable people. There is a very, very, very, very, very clear. We are very

big difference between a genuine refugee and an economic migrant, particularly unvetted male migrants that are in many parts of this country destroying communities. Women and children no longer feel safe. But I can't get any of these people. Anyone? Anyone want to talk about what's going on in the UK? Anyone? We've just had a super chat in from Al Rob or Ross who says ask stand up to racism about their man getting nicked for attacking young Bob. Should we talk about young Bob getting attacked by your lot?

Oh, it's so silent. It's like, oh, they'll advocate for a field mouse, but British children, forget it. So ultimately, I would argue, Dan, I am surrounded by some of the very, very worst of society. Not only are they rude, they're ignorant. And quite frankly, they don't seem to have a moral compass.

So not only can they not converse, but it's like, oh, they weren't given a script, were they? And they can't brand me far right, because I'm not far right. Everything that stand up to racism push out and parrot out is absolute toosh. They turn up with these pre-printed signs. Isn't it funny? When you see the pink ladies, it's all homemade signs, because that is a group of people that have integrity.

And that is women that are uniting peacefully because they are scared. And they are all united in their commitment to keeping women and children safe. But this lot, forget it. Earlier in the day, watch the interview in just one moment. But what was his vibe off camera? Do you think he genuinely believes this is a game changing by-election for Restore Britain? Yeah, it was the first time I'd met Rupert Lowe. Dan, I'll just say it a bit louder.

Rupert low. They're all scurray. And I actually got really overwhelmed when I met him and quite teary because this man is, he's truly an incredible man. You know, outspoken viewers know how dangerous the mainstream media is. And what Rupert is doing is incredible. He was feeling really excited. And Restore have come such a long way in such a short amount of time. It's funny. We were joking about the fact that, you know, he's so insignificant.

but now the mainstream media are spending a huge amount of time trying to smear him. And ultimately, we also spoke about the fact that there are so many lies being printed about him, but also it fundamentally at this point comes down to common sense and a moral compass. There are so many far right tags being thrown around. But people want to feel safe. People want our children to be safe. What we are asking for is not a lot. And also, when you think of what Restore are doing, it's not an outrageous request for

unvetted male migrants to go. Why, when we are failing, our veterans, our elderly, our children in care, why would we, if we can't look after our own home, why would we invite more people in to then fail as well? So I had an amazing conversation with him. I found him so personable, so down to earth and so friendly. And we spoke about the support he's been getting from Elon Musk. And the fact that the mainstream legacy media have been radio silent on his inquiry. And we also spoke about the fact that it's really, really building momentum in America. There is so much support, it is getting huge traction.

And so Rupert Lowe continues to be a real problem for the establishment because much like Trump, he is not going to jump when the mainstream media say jump. He is not going to play these games. And it is these games that we have seen all the other parties play that have failed each and every single taxpayer in some way. So Rupert Lowe wants to really scale things back. He wants to go back to common sense. But the problem is with this DIY rubbish and this lot,

it's gone so far the other way, that now a lot of people think common sense. sense is far right. And that just shows you, sadly, you can't put in what God left out for a lot of people. Indeed. Lauren, the insider is on fire in Makerfield. Who needs her inside the count? We can cross the mainstream media later in the count. We're going to watch this interview with Rupert Lowe in just one moment. But let me also tell you, do keep the superchats coming in all night. I'm loving them already. Zionist Scott 85 says reform a government controlled. Stand up for rapists. Should be jailed. Restore Britain. Only option to

the UK, Jesus Christ is the Lord. Dan, read the message. Well, I have done. I'm reading all of your messages. Thank you so much. Mr. Lard, YT, says Farage and the establishment are shit scared of Restore Britain. The traitors can't grasp why people hate them. They are all crapping their panties, vote, restore. And Day U, 6JX says, American watching. I never thought a UK by-election would be more interesting than American politics. But here we are. God bless the UK. Go. Restore. So thank you so much for 14 Barber 2, who says if we come third, we're a four-month-old party. And Basil Wazzle says they know, they orchestrated it, they enjoy that reaction, they hate you. Riggs Finn says watching closely from Australia over the last four months.

While Restore may not win today, I can clearly see they will win the next general election. It is in the bag. So amazing feedback. Do keep it coming in. Remember, we are here for the first outspoken election night party. We're on air until the result comes in. Whenever that is, Connor Tomlinson with me for election analysis all night. Mike Graham with me in the studio. And we are going to be joined.

This could get feisty in a little moment by Fahima Muhammad. She of the Green Party. Because you know, Mike, every now and then, come on, we've got a hair outside our our little face. I've never been this close to remember of the Green Party. I'm not sure what to do.

I don't know what to say. Well, this is going to be feisty. So do stand by. Don't go anywhere. But before we get back to all of that and the result later, here is Lauren the Insider's exclusive interview in Makerfield with Rupert Lowe. I am Lauren the Insider and I am with Man of the Moment, Rupert Lowe, the only man brave enough to take on the deeply rotting establishment.

Rupert Lowe, I am a bit starstruck. Well, I don't know why. I mean, I'm nothing special. All I do is stand up in Parliament and tell the truth. And that seems to shock everybody, which shows you. how bad it's gone wrong. But today I'm in Makerfield with Rebecca Shepard, who's our candidate for Restore Britain, incredibly brave lady. She's part of the local community. She ran into trouble with the local council with her riding school, where she was doing a lot of work with people

who were disabled and people who had sort of disability. And the council then, as with all these ridiculous little rules and laws we've got, said her muck, it was too close to the stables, and then wouldn't give a planning permission to move her muck-eep. So that is the sort of jobs worth behaviour that you expect from these ridiculous people now who are enslaving Britain, much against the wishes of most of the population. They add nothing, and they get in the way of everything.

So she's stood up very bravely. She's fought an incredibly good campaign where she's been supported by my immensely able team. and I think we've made a big impact and we don't listen to this reform recidivist argument that we're going to split the vote. The reason we're here is because Nigel Farage Zer Yusuf Lee Anderson and the entire reform party decided to try and send me to prison

give two false witness statements, accuse me of having early onset dementia and say there was evidence of bullying in my office. But then subsequently, Nigel's come out with the truth, which he said at a press conference very recently, that the real reason they got rid of me because of my views on mass deportation. And he did try and edit some of my speeches, particularly in Northwest Essex when I spoke there. So I don't know, I was surprised they did what they did. I have nothing against all of the reform supporters.

They want, I think, change like all of us. But in my view, Nigel and his team have no policies. They have no plan. and they are a hollow mountain. So I know we're not. We're producing policy. It's on our website. People can see it.

There's more to come. We've got an incredibly able young team. There's delegation, which there doesn't appear to be to me in reform. And if we're to win our country back, it's not about one person or a small number of people. This is going to be about everybody. And everybody needs to say we've had enough and we're not going to put up with any more enslavement

like we saw with COVID. like we've seen with the post office, like we've seen with infected blood, like we've seen with the windrush scandal. I mean, everything government touches is a disaster. And what we want to do is reduce the amount of government, increase the power of the individual, and return the country to being what it should be.

And I think, hopefully, people will see that in Makerfield. I can't understand why everybody thinks Andy Burnham is the Ghostbuster. In my view, he's not. he is a failed politician in parliament and he's now claiming to be this wonderful mayor of Manchester well i look at his achievements in Manchester and i don't think they stack up so i think the labor party in two years has done terminal damage to the economy they don't know what they're doing none of them have got any real life experience and if andy burnham gets anywhere near power he will just accelerate the decline and i think the good people of makerfield have

got an incredible opportunity to send a radical message to the people who are in charge of the country to say we've had enough. It's a by-election. And if they return Rebecca to Parliament to the Green Benches, then we see, I think, the seismic change that is necessary. And we can start to see this mass movement of British people who decide they've had enough, they want their country back, and they're going to actually get involved. And to me, The most exciting thing here is we had 1,200 people turned up last Saturday. We've had a huge number of people today for this final push. And in Norfolk, where we won all the county council elections in Great Yarmouth

and the borough council seat as well, we had vast numbers of people turning out as well. Now, that's the story, which the media hasn't covered. Instead, they call us far-right lunatics. Well, it's rubbish. I mean, we've had this, haven't we? You're far-right, you're dangerous. Common sense. It threatens the establishment.

Let's talk about something else that threatens the establishment. The Rape Gang Inquiry. We have seen national newspapers, silent, broadcasters, silent. We saw ITV's Good Morning Britain tell Sammy Woodhouse that she could not reference the ethnicity of the person that raped her. This is what we're up against Rupert. What do you say to the establishment who are throwing everything to try and smear you? I would argue it's actually just supporting your movement

because it's showing exactly how rotten this establishment is. Well, it's not just me. So there were 20,000 people who funded the rape gang inquiry, a crowdfunded it, and they are concerned people. And some of them didn't have a lot of money, but they gave as much as they could afford. Because I think everybody could see there was something wrong. And Nigel Farage promised a rape gang inquiry

with me sitting next to him in the chamber and then took all the plaudits for it and then singularly failed to deliver it. So we decided to do it. It's been a lot of hard work. But what we've uncovered and the bravery of the victims and the heinous crimes

of the perpetrators of these rape gangs is so bad and it's happening on such a wide-scale basis that to your point, the establishment should take this very seriously. But there have been, I think, systemic failures going back 30, 40, 50 years. and it's grown and grown like an uncontrolled virus.

And I think dealing with it now is incredibly difficult for people who've been sitting, virtue signalling in Parliament, virtue signaling in local government, putting power ahead of right and wrong, the judiciary which has made some extremely bad judgments, the legal profession which has made a fortune out of this. As I've said in the past, to put it into perspective, we raise 600,000. We still have money left after the production of that report.

to pursue private prosecutions, which we intend to do, because the state's not done enough about it. The J report alone costs the taxpayer 186 million. So I see money being wasted. I see no final outcome. We're seeing it with the COVID inquiry. I see it on the Public Accounts Committee where I sit. The waste is just off the scale.

And the sooner people wake up to the fact that central planning doesn't work, never has, never will, and will lead us over the cliff. And the sooner people get behind what we're doing and actually say, I want my country back, the better. But the rape gang, to your point, is probably the worst scandal in British history

with the most vulnerable people in our society being systemically abused on a huge scale by largely Pakistani Muslims and nobody's done anything about it for fear of being called racist. Well, it's just, frankly, not good enough. I completely agree with you. as a mother, it's absolutely broken my heart to read this, but to know it's still going on.

For anyone that isn't aware of restore, how would you sum up restore in one sentence? Because I believe you are our future. And I'm not racist. I'm not far right. I am a mother that is concerned and have common sense. But how would you sum up restore? Well, what I would say to people is, you know, I think we are what we appear to be. so we are increasingly concerned citizens, not far-right bigots, not lunatics,

not dangerous people, as the mainstream media is now accusing us of, having ignored us for the thick end of a year, they're now all over us like a cheap suit, but in a very unpleasant way. So I think they're part of this organized criminal destruction of Britain, and I'm hoping that the British people will be able to see through that,

and they will see that we are a genuine opportunity to vote for real change. But that threatens vested interests, that threatens power, that threatens a lot of people who've got vast sort of platforms, media platforms and everything else who are making vast amounts of money. In the end, it all goes to money. And when the British people voted to lead the European Union, they weren't interested in money. They were interested in their freedom

and the sovereign parliament in Westminster and accountable government. So I think we've all got to coalesce around this view. We want our country back. We're not going to allow this malign leadership to continue. And if we show it in big enough numbers, we will get our country back. But we have to do it by 29. I have to tell you, it may be too late now. I'm hoping it won't be.

But it certainly will be if the Labour government goes on the way they are. And we go on perpetrating the kind of evil. that's flourished under this do-gooding, lightweight sort of establishment, it would too late. So we've all got to stand up if we want the country back. And you're seeing our best people leave now. I mean, the young, the most able, the sort of rainmakers, people who are going to create wealth, people are going to employ people, people, people are going to lead us in this technological revolution, in AI and various other cutting-edge technologies.

and we've just seen Elon Musk, you know, float his business for the most incredible amount of money because he's ahead of the curve. You know, he's the world's most prominent entrepreneur. He's also somebody who spent $44 billion on X and has created a free speech platform. Without that, it would be very difficult to do what we're doing. So credit where it's due, he deserves huge credit. And it's up to people now. It can't happen if a few lone voices like mine speak.

We need everybody to speak. And I think what's so exciting is that does appear to be happening. Well, Rupert, you have got outspoken viewers that are watching you. And just a reminder, outspoken viewers, you would not see Rupert Lowe on GB News. You wouldn't see him on talk. They pretend to be independent, but I would argue they are very much establishment. So keep watching for more development.

And Rupert, thank you so much for your time. We should say it's a disgrace that the BBC, which is a national monopoly funded by a compulsory licence fee, has not mentioned our rate gain inquiry. I find that incredible. But also, let's look at how many predators have they paid, enabled, amplified and protected. So outside viewers, take this as a reminder that if you are paying for a TV licence, may I please ask you to cancel it and back Rupert Lowe and. restore instead. Back to the studio. Thank you so much to Lauren the insider and Rupert Lowe, who was campaigning in Makerfield today. But this just in from Andy Burnham, the Labor candidate who has posted a huge thanks to the people of Makerfield constituency for your

patience and good humour over the last five weeks. My thanks to the many volunteers who came up to support my campaign. We ran a very positive one and can be proud of it. Because, look, we've spoken a lot about the battle of the right so far, but we cannot forget that today will also reshape British politics and the entire left and likely lead to a new prime minister. So with me in the studio alongside our outspoken election analyst, Connor Thominson, the brilliant independent broadcast, the broadcaster, the Mike Graham show host. Mike Graham, is Fahima Muhammad of the Green Party. And Fahima, what has been absolutely fascinating to me with this election

is that the Greens seem to be quite happy to let Andy Burnham win. Is that because there is already a stitch-up going on, given you know that he is going to be moving this party to the left? You know he is going to bring in proportional representation. You know there have already been talks between T-Ean. Team Tit Whisperer and Team Burnham. Oh, wow.

That's so much to take in. Let's talk about the fight off the right, I think. That's more exciting. But when it comes to the left, I'm more centre left, and I do feel that people do not want to see reform coming in. So they have stepped back a little bit from the Green Party in order to make sure that Andy Burnham does come in. but there has been quite a few green candidates that are still standing and they still feel

that they are now part of the actual conversation which was never before. It hasn't split anything. If anything, it's actually created sort of the, I would say, collaboration that we need. Yeah, so there's a dirty deal. It's not a dirty deal. You can call it wherever you want. But I would say it's still better than what reform and restore are getting up to because I think, you know, they should be more collaboration.

and it should be where they have similar sort of like policies, similar ideas. So if anything, they should really collaborate. But, you know, we are a democracy. We can have as many parties as we want. We can have as many candidates as we want. I just think that there's a lot of scream for change and wanting your country back when everyone has what they have already. We have a predominantly white English country where everybody is there.

It's not terrible. How terrible. Terrible. You're putting words in my mouth and it is going to be for long because I feel that it's just a scare mongering. So for him you're literally denying demographic change?

Sorry. Con are coming. Do you know, I've got twins on the way, right? Do you in October? Would you like to tell me when they're going to be a minority in their own generation? Do you know what year?

I don't know. No, you don't know. You don't know. So when you're going to deny it? No, no, no. Because I've heard the actual sort of like presumptions and assumptions in 20 sort of like, I don't know.

30 or whatever. It's 2031. The reason is, the white British birth share is 66% in 2007. Last year it's 53%. When you map out that trajectory of change, they're going to be a minority in their own generation in five years. Whose fault is that? Of course. Politicians?

Yeah, because they brought all these people here. These people shouldn't be here. That's got nothing to do with that. If people are reproducing, if they are getting together, getting married, follow the Christian faith properly, then maybe this country might actually, you know, live up to what it actually fights for. Yes, but even... That's what I feel. If we had a birth rate...

No, if we had a birth rate problem, we could solve that within ourselves. Cultural problem left our own devices. But we can't recover from a demographic revolution. If other ethnic groups, other religions are having many more children and therefore are just replacing our population... So you want to have a cut on that, you want to have some sort of like, you know, like in China. No, these people shouldn't be here. People shouldn't be here.

you know what, at the end of the, you can have that view, and that's absolutely fine. But again, that is not the reason why this is happening. I think it's a very small minority. This is just blame the other. If they're going to be born in London, they're already a minority, because unfortunately London is now a minority white English city, right? But can I just also point out the reason you're not hearing much from the Greens up in Maconfield is that their original candidate, who was a guy called Chris Kennedy,

had to withdraw from the race citing family reasons. But it turned out it wasn't actually family reasons that he withdrew from the race. because of a series of anti-Semitic posts that he made on social media. He called the Golden Scream account false flags. He called it total bullshit to keep the false flag flying, amongst many other things that he said. So I'm afraid your party, you know, likes to select people who seem to be a bit anti-Semitic.

Well, to be fair, if he's pulled out, that actually shows that something's being done when we have other candidates in other parties, when there have been accusations, they've been pulled back in, or if they are claiming themselves that they're sexists and against women, then even the actual...

Like who? The reform, the reform candidate. The reform candidate. So at the end of the day, I, no one condones that. No one condones that. So is he still a member of the Green Party, this guy? But at the end of the day, I don't know. I don't know.

I'm not the policymaker. I'm not the actual leader. Yeah, but I don't know if he's actually the member. If he is a member, that's something that they will have to do. I am not in charge, okay? All right, but do you think he should be kicked out of the party? If there is investigation, if there is relevant investigation, why did you let me answer? You just want to talk over me.

Look, at the end of, I am answering the question. Do you think you should be kicked out of the party? Yes or no. I said, you don't get to answer my question. I'm going to answer it the way I want. And what I'm trying to say is, if there is genuine investigation that he's anti-Semitic, then that's a difference. Okay?

Okay. Look, you can go on and on is what you want. Why don't we talk about the Reform Party and how he is? I am to say, I am to say, I am just saying, if he's in the Green Party, right? You're in the Green Party. They have taken out. other members who were anti-Semitic if they were found that way. So if he is, if he is, I don't listen to tabloids.

If they're gonna have investigations, if they are going to listen to investigations, you can, you know, we can make that decision. And you can laugh all you want at the end of the day. Well, you can put words in my mouth if you want. I'm not gonna answer, I'm not gonna answer your question because I'm not investigating it. If I was investigating it, it would be a different story.

Okay, I am not investigating it. Nothing. Because the back and forth is just hilarious. Of course it's hilarious because at the end of the day, you cannot blame yourselves and your own culture, but you want to blame others, okay? That's the only excuse that everyone has on the right. That's exactly what you say.

People shouldn't be here. Whether we're here or not, we're not telling you to stop making babies. We're not telling you to stop reproducing. We're not telling you anything. And this is the democracy. This is the democracy. This is the West.

It's not democracy. if we voted for the last 50 years since 1974, for less migration, have been punished with millions of third worlders instead. So no, it's not a democracy. That is just nonsense. And that is just, yes, it is. Six million in the last six years.

It is. Six million in the last six. That is absolute nonsense. It was not nonsense. That's just on the O&S. No, I don't really believe all the statistics that you're actually stating right now. Okay, well, you can just say that you disagree with facts

and then we can just not have a conversation, I suppose. But the point was, Brexit was voted for in order to have less immigration. Instead, we had record numbers of immigration with a completely different composition. Instead, I for one did not want to trade the Polish plumbers for 250,000 Indians, 90,000 Pakistanis, about 100,000 Nigerians every single year. The same level of legal migration that America gets in a country the size of New York State. I didn't want that. The people that voted against it didn't want that. They've imposed upon them anyway. If you want to insist that's a democracy, well, then you will find yourself with a...

out of democracy if people keep voting for something and not getting it. Well, I think that whenever anyone comes into government, even restore or reform, they will find that they have to be there for everyone, regardless of their ethnicity or background. So you can try as much as you want to change the law. It will be very difficult, especially in a country like this. That's not true. Parliamentary majority, you can change the law as much as you like. If you want to be like Saudi Arabia, then yes, yes, that's probably what you'll ask.

asking for is to be authoritarian and to have one ethnicity. You know, that's what it is. That's how it is. But at the end of the day, unfortunately, we never go backwards. We only go forwards. And in a country like this, and as it is, it's not happening the way you want. As much as you want that. What happened in Pakistan in the 1940s?

I don't know. I wasn't born. Okay. Did they keep all the British people in Pakistan? Like I said, why are you comparing countries that is not the same as the West? Hang on. Because, because the principle is... They have a different system.

Yeah. No, they had a different system. system when they were under colonial rule. They didn't like the people that were imposed upon them. The main population said, we do not feel represented by a political system. We would like independent and we would like all of the people that have been imposed upon us to leave. That happened in the 40s. They didn't go only forwards. They went backwards to ruling the country themselves. That is what they can consider. But that is Pakistan. This is the UK. And I don't see that ever happening. And I would like to apply the same principle. Well, if that's, that's what you're

voting for. That's what you're fighting for. Good luck. I don't think that will ever happen. Okay, there is another major political issue that we need to talk about when we've got you here, Fahima, and that is in regards to a civil war within the Green Party, which has been underreported because I guess we've been very focused on Andy Burnham v. Slippery Stama and Restore Britain versus Reform UK. But indeed, this Islamist versus Zionist fight within the Green Party is seeing Zach Polanski, the tit whisperer, actual name Dave Alden, isn't it my? Dave Paulden, yeah, called me Dave. Well, I'm sorry, everyone said, Tommy Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxon.

And so let's let's do it. And Mothan Ali, your deputy leader. Now, actually, Noah Hoffman of The Spectator, has gone into this today. I just want to show you her post, and then I'll let you respond for him because fascinated to know what's really going on. But she has reported in The Spectator today. As Kirstama struggles to keep his crown, another leadership battle is raging. Away from the media spotlight, there is a struggle for the future of the Green Party between

its various official special interest groups and its leader, Zach Polanski. On one side, Polansky and his officials are at least trying to appear to be dealing with allegations of anti-Semitism and extremism within the party. On the other, a powerful affiliate group, the global majority Greens, is accusing its leader of creating a hierarchy of racism, with allegations of anti-Semitism taken more seriously than other complaints. Polansky, it claims, has failed to be truly anti-racist because he has not backed the ethnic minority greens who have been suspended over-alleged anti-Jewish rhetoric. Most extraordinarily, of all, it believes the Greens, yes, the Greens are too pro-Sionist.

Crucially, this is where things get really bloody messy, the group is formerly backed by Mothan Ali, who serves both as deputy leader of the party and GMG treasurer. Ali has endorsed official reports compiled by the GMG accusing Polansky of a litany of crimes against racial justice. In private WhatsApp groups, documents and Zoom calls leaked to the spectator, Ali's disdain for his boss's conduct is plain. Included in the leaks is a scathing draft GM report that will be presented at the Green Party AGM later this month. It accuses Polanski and his team of performing anti-racism without putting it into practice. The report which covers the first year of Polanski's leadership condemns a serious, governance problem inseparable from institutional racism. Specifically, it criticises the party for

suspending members accused of anti-Semitism, even though in most cases the evidence of anti-Semitism is clear cut. This is a disaster. Your leader and deputy leader are at war. You have no desire to deal with the anti-Semites in your party. And Fahima, I put it to you, you're over, because you're at 9% in the polls. I don't think we're over. I think we're just getting started. And I do feel that. there is going to be some, obviously, disruption within the party, because at the end of the day, we're always going to see that with every party. We've seen it before we're even Sears Yusuf left and came back. We've seen it with many other places.

Okay, so is it safe to assume that you back Moth and Ali as a Muslim woman rather than Zach Polanski, the Jewish man? I don't, but it's no such thing as backing anyone in particular. And I don't back people because of faith. I don't back people because of any sort of culture. People see me in that way, but I certainly don't. Okay, but these two are at war. So who do you back then? I don't know the actual ins and outs.

If I was to invest in. I've just told you. Even if you say that, I feel that whoever is there for everyone is what's important. I'm not here. I'm not here to say, what do you mean? Come on for him. You're a state talk. No, no, I really do feel that when we talk about anti-Semitism,

that has to be cleared firstly because criticizing Israel's government, for example, is not anti-Semitic. So we need to be clear about what is really being said about anti-Semitism. Semitism, I don't think that, you know, majority of Muslims actually are against the Jewish people. And if they are, then I'm not with them as a Muslim. Okay? So that's how I feel. So even I stand on the edge knife of this.

And I would like to know the full details when it comes to something like this. I do not just follow people because they're from my faith. There's a lot of people that I call out from my faith. And I'm quite okay. Okay. But there's the Civil War. Who do you back? I walk back the Green Party is too Zionist.

Do you think it's too Zionist, the Green Party? I don't think it's too Zionist or not Zionist. I think everyone has a specific view of anti-Semitism, which is not correct. And I do feel that we are allowed to criticize the government. Yeah, but Muthin Ali's. That's all it is. If he wants to take over and he's got a thing,

I think I do still stand with Zach Polenski. I do feel that he is a man who's fair and he's for everyone. I don't want to be in a party. That's just for one particular group. I'm not there because it's only Muslims. I'm not there because it's from a particular background. I don't even have a background which majority of this country of Muslims belong to. I'm born and raised in South Africa.

So at the end of the day, I do not follow that way. And I don't think anything should be sectarianism. I think the right thing to do is in this country, it should be for everyone. Whether it's the right that just wants their own ethno-nationalists, I think that's incorrect. Or when I think the left that wants a particular group either, I think that's incorrect. Zach Polanski said, didn't he famously, that people from the right should not be part of society?

I don't believe that. He said it. He'd said it on camera. I don't. I like to know the actual context. I think if it's an extreme right Nazi or, you know, the far right, that is that. That's how it is.

So that's how it is. So you think extreme right Nazi shouldn't be part of society then. I don't think that anyone should be part, you know, like in that way. I cannot say no one should be part of society. But for him, you're a straight talker. demonstrate talker. Who should be the leader of the Green Party, Zach Polanski or Mothanali?

I like Zach Polenski. I think he's really, you know, showing up for everyone. And I think that he really does talk where I think where we can see, you know, the future and the change. And I think he will represent everyone. Do you have a problem that he's a champagne socialist who didn't pay his tax? That was covered. That was covered.

That was public. She didn't like the tax on his houseboat. It was a houseboat. It was a houseboat that he hardly stayed in. It was an admin issue. And he did say that he corrected that. Would he give the same? same grace to somebody else accused the same thing because I would highly doubt that actually. I think anyone wouldn't.

I mean, look at now. Everyone's at each other's throats, you know, making accusations because of desperation. Okay. Look, I want to talk about the right. Let me just actually remind you where we're at because, of course, we are waiting for this vote in a historic

by-election that will determine the future of the British right and also the future of the country, who will be the next prime minister. counting is underway in Wigan for the Maker Field by election with Andy Burnham battling Rob Kenyon of Reform UK and Rebecca Shepard of Restore Britain. Now actually when we're looking at our live poll today, it's pretty clear that at this point you're going for, oh gosh, I've just spilled my drink. You're going for Rebecca Shepard with 66% of the vote compared to Robert Kenyon with 30% and Andy Burnham with 4%. 4%. But this is the message that Carl Benjamin of the Lotus Eaters has sent to Nigel Farage reform and every reform supporter before the result is announced. Watch this.

If reform loses, it's your own fucking false, Nigel. You did it. He was your MP. You just couldn't bear to be dragged to the right to the position we actually need to be in to solve any of the problems and you thought I can politically assassinate him and it didn't work. You stepped on this rake yourself. You made this rod for your own back. You made this wonderful

little bed of lies and now you can get fucked in it. I mean, Mike Graham, he has a point, doesn't he? Well, you know, it would be no restore Britain if Nigel had just allowed Rupert to have a big

role within Reform UK. But you know as well as I do that there's more to it than that. The people who have a problem with Rupert Lowe say that he's a very difficult guy to work with. People have said that in the past. It's not just about whether he was in reform being a problem. He was a problem in all the other places. Good people can sometimes be difficult to work with right. But I think we have to make that point though, you know? And the point is that as you saw again, whenever Rupert Lowe's interviewed, you know, he's the one that drags it all up. He's the one that says, you know, they tried to put me in prison, they tried to get the police to arrest me. They came to my house. They took my guns.

you know, move on for heaven's sake. I would be pretty pissed off about that. Yeah, you could be pissed off, but it happened a long time ago now. You know, I mean, I got divorced years ago. I don't bang on about it every time anybody asks me about women. So I think the point is that, you know, Rupert Lowe needs to grow up a little bit as well. And I think the point is, as I said before,

we've all got to be very careful. You know, I'm not sitting here as a cheerily for Nigel Farage. Yes. Nigel Farage is an ordinary human being who, by his own admission, has made plenty of mistakes in his life. You know, he's gambled an awful lot of his money away. He's had plenty of women that he may or may not have consorted with. He was also anti-Semitic and racist and all of that as well.

I'd like to see the context of that before you carry up with that. Oh, really? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. See, same difference. So you've said Rupert-Rupert Lowe. No, Nigel. Nigel.

What you're talking about at school? At school. I thought you didn't like those tabloid allegations. You were saying, I'm just trying to throw it back at you because it's the same thing. Yeah, but I'm not defending him because I'm not a member. Unlike you. I'm not defending anyone either. No, you're defending.

You were defending things in my mouth because you can. and get one answer that you prefer. Well, you're a member of the Green Party, so it's your job to defend the Green Party. It's not my job to do anything like that. I've actually been quite fair. I've actually been really fair to be fair. I'm not a member of any political party, so you can attack me as much as you want. I'm not attacking you.

I'm just giving it back as you are giving it to me. Come a look, I'm going to listen to Pamela Marie 1974 on the Super Chat who says, please let Connor talk. We're on substack having a great chat going, but Connor can't contribute. So Connor, over to you. I'm sure that's my mum's alternative account. Yeah. No.

It's just everyone's fault, according to Connor. Everyone else's fault. The migrants. You're going to annoy you Pamela if you don't let Connor speak. Wonderful, excellent yapping. Thank you. Oh, please.

Start laughing. With Carl is correct there. Restore wouldn't exist if Z. Yusuf hadn't thought it was a great idea to call the police on Rupert Lowe and expelling from the party, coinciding with some conspicuous and largely inflated bullying allegations. If Farage was more politically savvy, he would have kept Rupert in and had him as the furthest right wing of reform. Because then that would have retained the faith of the online right that he likes to disparage. He would have done the Trump strategy of you don't disavow your own base, you don't try and police your own membership.

Instead, you build as big a tent possible. And any time the media tries to dredge someone up that isn't an executive member of the party and try to hit you with something that they say, you just say, well, no, they're following me. I'm not following them. The thing about Trump, though, is that he kicks people out on a regular basis, quite frankly, all the time. And, you know, they go away and they come back. The point with Rupert Lowe is that his track record is that he has fallen out with people at Southampton Football Club. He's fallen out with people when he worked at the city. All of the people that he used to work with have never asked him to come back in.

So there's clearly an issue there, and I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I don't know him, right? But certainly in my small dealings with him on Twitter, you know, he does seem to have very thin skin. and he gets very wound up by people like me without me even trying. Some of that's a team, I would say. But the bigger issue though, Mike, is that that doesn't matter. This is, the problem here is for reform.

But if you're saying that reform was stupid to deal with him in the way that they did, you have to also add in the fact that, you know, they were all a bit stupid, quite frankly, and they've all left themselves now holding the baby. I mean, Farahima, this is your dream, isn't it? Yes, I love it. Because the right is killing each other.

I know. And that is going to allow you to come through the middle, your dirty deal with labour. Oh, please. And what, presumably, Polanski is the deputy prime minister? To Andy Burnham, is that the dream? Could me? I think they were talking beforehand anyway. Yeah, and I do feel that even, I mean, there was even advanced UK, Ben Habib,

who really tried hard to get with Rupert Lowe. But I think, you know, they just ethno-nationalists, which is fine. But if you admit who you are, that you just want white Christians in this country. That's it. That's not what anyone said. So I just feel that that's how it is and that's what comes across. So it doesn't matter what you've said. It's what you put out there and what it is.

And when you say you want to take your country back, You have, you have, you have your country. What do you need it back front? I don't have my country. Okay. Farima, Farhima, what about what O-P5-286? That's the problem. Okay, what about O-K5-286?

Exactly. Fahima, okay, okay, Okay, okay. says to you, why would white British people want to have children in this country, given the recent report from Lowe? They're talking about the rape gang inquiry. I don't hear you talking about that. I don't hear Polanski talking about that. I don't hear Mothanali talking about that. I put it to you for Hima that when it's Pakistani Muslim men raping white women or girls on an industrial scale, all of a sudden your mouth is it. You love speaking about Epstein, don't you?

No, I've never spoken about that. I speak about everyone and I call everyone out, including my own community. And when it actually happened, there were over 500 mosques and imams and the thousands that condemn this. We just don't hear it in the news. We don't really ever talk about this. There were groups that were even having, you know, lots of community meetings against this. So I'm not from that culture. I do not know exactly what they actually did.

But what I'm saying is if you're going to call out ethnicity, you're going to call out, you know, back. ground, do it for everyone. That's all I'm saying. Not just one particular group and make it like it's only that. That's what I'm trying to say. We always have a double standard and a selective outrage. I'm sorry for Hima. This is don't tell me that I have not seen. And it's the biggest outrage in modern British history. And the British Fashin Corporation haven't run a word about it. Your party has not spoken about this rape gang inquiry report. That is a disgrace. Have you spoken to anyone else except for? me, maybe if you were to actually doing something.

No, no, I've been tracking it. Rupert Lowe's been tracking it. Not a word from the BBC, not a word from the Green Party. So then we all the Green, we all this. Everyone has spoken about it. Everyone condemns it. There was no such thing. Show me. Show me, Martha Arlie, talking about the rape gang inquiry

report. How can that be something that you are going to use as to politicise those victims who deserve much more than just someone like yourself or anyone else in any party to use it? The victims want it politicise. And they themselves have gone against reform and even restored to say that they have just been used. Who?

When this first came out, I have seen the victims that have spoken out and said that. Even when it came to the United Kingdom and one lady was there standing to say that I was also, you know, groomed and raped. But they weren't just Pakistani. They were also English. She was booed out and she was taken out of the field because no one wants to hear the full story. Unfortunately, these men should not exist at all in my sort of like eyes. But at the same time, who is anyone who is, I don't know, any religion, person, human or anyone with moral value that will actually agree with this. The only thing that I don't agree with is why only pick on one ethnicity group?

Why only call that out? Why is it that is always when it comes? Because it's the only one that's been that well organized and that can completely. No, it hasn't. In fact, there is loads of others that is the same. There is nothing else. I have seen others exactly the same. Are you going to let me speak?

It is exactly the same as everyone else. There is no other single ethnic group, and that would include white British men who have been involved in that kind of mass-organized raping of women consistently, repeatedly, and over a period of years. That hasn't happened in any other community. Well, like I said, no one agrees with that,

and I have no problem with calling out that they are Pakistanis or Muslim. If that's who they are, it's an absolute disgrace. They don't even deserve to be called a Muslim. It is against everything. In fact, in any Muslim country, they would be, you know, the most horrific punishment, okay? And everyone knows this. No one condones that.

Oh, please. There you come again. That's not true. And you start laughing. I mean, I don't understand where you get your things off. At the end of the day, you just are an ethnic nationalist. Let me just say. Again, you haven't defined that.

I don't use that term. I have defined it. No, you haven't actually. It's not true because the legal age of consent in various Muslim countries is about the age at which the girls are, you know, picked up from care homes and brutally raped by these Pakistani drug gangs. And the problem is the people do not condemn it. They should and they do. They should.

They do. They do. Do and should are different. There is one particularly brave chap called Mohamed Shafiq, and he runs the Ramadan Foundation. He's been made a pariah by the Pakistani community, a piece in 2016 for the Daily Mail. And he said, the British Pakistani community knows this is going on, but they stick their head in the sand because they don't want to be seen as siding with the white enemy.

Same is in reports from the Muslim Women's Network in 2013. Same from Taj Haigai. The Pakistan, same interviews with Yasmin Ali Brown, who I'm sure you know. The Pakistani community knows this is going on, and they think the girls deserve it because they're white and they dress immodestly. These are quotes from left-wing journalists. Well, if they think like that, don't look me in the eye and say this is nonsense. Yeah, but they do. They do when they're here.

And this is why people are focused on it. This is why people are focused on it because they don't need to be. This is entirely optional. All the white rapists, a native, this country, should be hung tomorrow. But that doesn't mean we need to bring more in. That means the ones that are here that do not need to be here should go to keep our children safe. Well, not everyone that comes here are actually criminals, okay? When did I say that?

So I'm just saying it. I didn't say you said it. I'm just saying that. It's been pretty easily defined, actually, the people who do come here and involve themselves in this kind of behavior from Pakistan are from a very small part of Pakistan. They're actually from a very tiny part of that country. Yeah, and if there is a problem, then yes, we do need to be tougher. And I think Shavanamabood has actually taken steps to do that. She wants to create more safe and legal routes for these countries.

But even still, that means that they can be vetted. And if anything, they won't just come in and they won't be. But I do feel that the process is definitely flawed. I do think that we do need to be stricter. We need to have much better, you know, judgment. And when it comes to the home office and when it comes to, you know, faster processes, I've always argued that. I've always said we don't even have the right amount of people that are here

to even make that kind of judgment as judges. People talk about skilled workers. Why are we not getting that? Why are we not seeing that? Why are we not having enough children in this country from the white population? Why are we not having enough skilled people from that? Why are we complaining that white boys are even undereducated

or not having any of the kind of things because of DEI? It's got nothing to do with that. Let's take your own accountability. Take responsibility yourself. accountability if you fire off hundreds of job applications and you'll put to the bottom of the part of the place. It is. No, it's not. Genuinary. No, it isn't. When did you graduate university, by the way? Sorry? When did you graduate university by the way? So you don't, so how, well, quite a few years ago, I imagine compared to the brand new young white British graduates who are entering your job market after COVID.

No, because I've done two, three degrees. So that's why I've done 10 years ago. Initially, when you had to get your first job as a graduate is what I'm asking. Yes. Yes. So quite a few years ago, different, different environment, You were favoured legally, right? No. If you look at some of the statistics, it says when you have a minority name, you're less likely to be called up for an interview. So those are also statistics that are out there. That is true.

That is true. Ages ago. No, but it is true even up until now. It isn't because if you saw immediately, especially in the largest corporations in the states that obviously have the headquarters here, you see that was it, 92% of the jobs were given to non-white people in the immediate aftermath of BLM, And then recently there was a study by the Centre for Social Justice.

I know people have been quivering with the methodology. But for every one white British person, 27 non-EU immigrants were hired in just the last couple of years. So that ratio is legally enshrined because you have an incentive, one, to get cheap foreign labour, obviously, because the large corporations that lobby to bring them in would like to drive down labour costs. But two, it's because in the Companies Act,

in the Equality Act, in order for these companies to get subsidies via ESG scores, they have to discriminate against the white native population. I don't believe that. And I don't think, I don't think, I don't think that is true. Because I work, you know, when it comes to people that are working in the grassroots and the front line, everything when you see there are still 100,000 vacancies in the actual NHS. There's 20,000 nurses that are also there. No, they're not.

And at the same time, I really do feel that if people were actually getting themselves into education or training or apprenticeships and actually working, there is a difference in culture. And I do feel that sometimes the migrants or people that come from a foreign country, they do try to work harder. And they do get there. And one minute they are there, you know, sucking the welfare. The other moment they are, you know, taking all the jobs. And in the other moment they are, you know, basically paying for such all this, you know, university fees. Like, which one is it?

You can't. And we are still the minority taken over the entire of the UK. That is absolutely ridiculous. Take accountability and responsibility. I'll tell you a story. We don't have time for a story. We have got time for a story. I'm just saying.

We've got plenty of time for a story. No one has a time for a story. There are three nurses who were hired to work in the NHS. They came from Nigeria, right? And this was told to me by a Border Force security guard who was at the airport when they arrived. They all had visas to come into work. They were all getting good jobs in the NHS

where they were going to be paid about £35,000 each a year. They each had a husband and each had five children. 21 people coming into Britain to have three of them work. And the rest were going to be supported by the state. And that's the reality. And that's what we're. We can't. What? You're going to give one case study and you think it's all of them. Well, I'm giving you an example of what happens.

When people come here to work, they bring their families. And their families inevitably become a drain on the state. Yes. Indeed. Well, look, fascinating discussion. I think it is really important that today we have discussed Rupert Lowe's rape gang inquiry. And Fahima Muhammad, you know I'm always delighted because the thing about outspoken, all parties are welcome. We will have these robust conversations. But obviously the Green Party ain't winning tonight.

We are now going to cross to Lauren. insider who is back on the ground in Makerfield with two of the big campaigners for Restore Britain, Lucy White and Young Bob. They've both been quite controversial over the past few days too. Over to you, Lauren. Dan, I am sat here with Young Bob. Young Bob, welcome to Outspoken. It's fantastic to see you're branching out into late night election cycles. It's really good because, of course, whenever I'm studying elections, it's only the establishment media. So it's good to see a diversification aspect. Well, what more do you expect from the UK's leading independent news show

where we are totally uncensored, unbiased and unfiltered? So I want to have a chat with you on that premise. What happened? We've seen some shocking footage that's come out regarding, from what I've seen, stand up to racism, seemed to attack you. And I can see you've got some bruises, scratches, you've got a kind of a bad bruise on your nose. What went on? Yeah, so what I saw in real time is the Unholy Alliance.

So a gang of foreign thugs descending on me, attacking me, just simply because I was talking about reversing the unprecedented democratic change in this country. And what was egging on was two very prevalent stand-up for racism activists, one of them who held me down as the lads were trying to attack me, the other just chanting and I think, believe me. filming the entire event as well. One of them has been arrested and some guy leaked the

secret press release from Stamter Racism, Manchester Branch, and they didn't at all condemn the violence. They were just, we didn't have an official capacity in that attack and that was a far-right agitated, almost trying to justify the actions of some vigilante. And that's what we see with sort of political

tribalism currently in the political spectrum. We have politics in a bubble. You know, no really speaking to each other, no one really understands why we believe in each other's beliefs, and that causes a lot of discontent and civil unrest. Please be careful when you're out, because they have an agenda. That's what they want to do. They are not a peaceful group whatsoever, in my opinion. And have you seen them today? What kind of thing have you seen on the ground in Makerfield?

Yeah, so usually when you're canvassing on the day of the election, what you're doing is going to pleasures. So you want to hire the voter turnout. So you may have a lot of people in support of you, but they're not active in their vote. They won't actually go out and vote on the day because they might think it's a bit of an inconvenience of their schedule. So if you have a higher vote differential compared to every other party, you'll win. So Restore Britain could technically win on a small level of support in the constituency, but a higher vote turnout of people actually going out and casting their ballot. And what I saw was interesting, so if we can pair Great Armath, for example, to Meekfield,

it was obviously everyone who was voting for Great Yama Thirst were going to go out and vote for us. However, because of the mass amount of canvassing, this is a free horse race between the Labour Party, Restore and Reform, what we're now seeing is conversions in real time. So even the day before the eve of account, we have people being converted to the Labour Party, restore or reform.

So when we're going to the pledges on data that we were probably achieved a week ago, what we'll see is the door next to them will be voting for restore, but the one that we're actually supposed to go to was voting for reform. So there's real conversions in real time. So no one really knows the percentage that we're actually going to achieve up the door.

But what I would say is the people that we did knock on the door that says we've already voted for you were overwhelmingly positive in terms of their attitude. It was a firmness poll that came out saying that we had a low firmness. I don't think that's true. Everyone that's voting for us is extremely enthusiastic about voting for Restore Britain.

There's a real feeling on the ground as well of hope. I mean, Restore have not been around a long time. And the support that Rupert Lowe has got from good, hardworking people up and down the country is huge. What was it about Restore that made you want to go and support Restore? Yeah, so one of the things I would say is during the opening political broadcast for Restore Britain, Rupert Lowe just going immediately out and saying what is necessary is difficult was very compelling. So if you can care the sort of boomer slop,

the sort of presidential Americanisation of British politics, that reform represents of we're going to give an easy sound for the British public compared to the very hard sell that you have to give to people in Britain because what we're facing is a really difficult challenge. And in a way, when I see Rupert-Loe speaking to constituents, he's almost like the grandfather of the nation. He can very easily relate to people.

And also just a choice of language as well. He always speaks about the good people of Makerfield. and I think that's really going to resonate with voters. And it's also just coming back to common sense, isn't it? Because for too long, good, hardworking people have been forgotten. And these are people that have paid into the system their entire lives. Now, what do you think Rupert Lowe offers that Nigel Farage doesn't? Well, one of the things is it lends to his credibility is that he's not been a careerist politician.

So where Farage, for example, immediately retires after getting the Brexit vote. Rupert-Loe has been relatively consistent throughout his small political career. So one of the constant things that you see is that political pundits over time, just have a poor toxic brand, which Rupertelow obviously doesn't. Another thing as well is the trust that you receive, of course, he was the main arbiter of the independent grooming gang inquiry and offering the anti-establishment option whilst also being credited, the actions that you have in politics really shows through, especially at his time at the

public accounts committee. X has also been huge in restore gaining momentum. And we've seen Stama now ban social media from early next year for under 16s. Do you think Stama, Farage and so forth, do you think they are panicking? Because ultimately, when it comes to Rupert Lowe, I fail to see how anything can stop this movement just getting more and more momentum because we are looking at people with a moral compass and people without a moral compass. So what I would say is if you look at the recent smear attacks from the Daily Mail, all of the comments by regular Daily Mail readers have just

been, I can't believe you constantly attack this man. Now, I would also deny as a premise that it's just X. He's had higher engagement on Facebook, which of course brings in a different generation. The reason why I say he's a grandfather's nation is because he bridges the, the the older generation, the newer generation, where a lot of senior restored figures are quite young. You have also an incredibly old voter base, which Farage tried to do with Matt Goodwin saying that youth aren't our target demographic. I don't think reform can be that bridge between the other generation and the newer generation. But on social media, it's just radicalizing people. If Rupert Lowe can always be seen as the moral character, even in smear attacks that try to label

us as neo-Nazis or white supremacists, these sort of terms, always being in response of I don't care, or even these smears lend credibility to the campaign. So I would say in absolutely no uncertain terms have the smear attempts by the Daily Mail actually affected our votes at all. And what do you think to the argument when people say restore, they are going to split the vote? It's unfair that Rupert's done this. Where do you stand on that argument? So on splitting vote, you have two things.

The first thing is it assumes that the two parties offer the same vision. And the other thing as well is it assumes when the split in the vote actually happens, you have a squeeze effect. So when you saw in Gorton and Denton, for example, I was actually speaking to a lot of the advanced UK campaigners at the day of the election where they had a lot of pleasures, they were squeezed because towards the end of the campaign, people realize it is a neck and neck race between the Green Party and reform. So they were saying, I don't want the Green Party in any uncertain terms.

so I vote for reform. Now, you didn't see that. People are actually going out to vote for a store, even if they're being told you'll split the vote and you'll get a burn them in. So I don't see it for many people. And of course, the vision sold by restore and reform are completely different. They are indeed very, very different. Tonight is a huge night. Back to the studio. Thank you, Dan. Lauren, the insider there with young Bob. Joining us back in the outspoken studio for our first ever election night broadcast the legend that is Peter C. Barnes of politics unspun

alongside Mike Graham, the legendary host of the Mike Graham show and also now UK live which we'll talk about shortly and our election night analyst Connor Tomlinson. So Conor Tomlinson let's get to some of the facts on the ground now. Aaron Bustani

the hard leftist posting voting closed in Makerfield. A senior non-Labour source thinks Burnham has won at by a fair whack. A green activist told me the same. Everyone had an Andy Burnham story. He's just very popular in this part of the world. We'll know soon enough. But it does look like there might be some expectation management going on with Restore Britain too. Charlie Downs, the party spokesperson, posting a quote, we're begrudgingly voting reform on this occasion, but we support Restore and

will vote for you in 2029. Charlie Downs says, is this was the story on the majority of reform supporting doors we knocked on. Make of that what you will. Is this expectation management, Connor, or what are you hearing about the Restore vote and the Labor vote on the ground? Well, my friends in the upper echelons of Restore are not always known for their sunny dispositions, Dan. And one of them, who's usually a little bit more nervous

than the rest of the lads, texted me and said, they are already on double digits, as far as they're concerned. So they're feeling pretty confident. Wow. You will be seeing Rupert and Rebecca at the count later on. So I'm sure he'll get media swarmed about splitting the vote and all other such nonsense when they hopefully outperform their share. We're also hearing from multiple sources in reform. I think the BBC have reported this, that the turnout is going to be much higher than even the last general election.

So this truth has been a national spotlight shone on the by-election. I wouldn't be shocked. There's quite a few people that just want to get down there and punish Andy Burnham for the opportunism. And the other thing that I've just picked up on as well, but I didn't even realize, There was a council by-election on today. It's not the most exciting thing when we've got the Battle of the Country. The Conservatives have won it

with a 39.3 percentage swing and reform have lost about 15%. So... Where's that? That is in Swain Park and Grange in Rochford. Okay. So... Rochford.

Yeah. Quite an interesting pattern. So Mike Graham, this would be, you've got to admit, seismic, if Restore Britain takes 10% of the vote in this.

make a field by election, that is hugely significant. That cannot be dismissed. I said when they started to show, anything above 10% is a good night for them. I mean, depending on how much above. If it's 10%, I wouldn't say it's seismic. I'd say, you know, they put an awful lot of effort into it. They did very well in Great Yarmouth, but they weren't standing under the reform and the Restore banner.

So that's a bit of a confusing one because you don't know exactly with people knew they were voting at Restore. But, yeah, I mean, listen, anything above 10% I think is a very good result for them. And reform will not like it. Seismic, I think you'd have to be going on to about 15, 16% in order for it to be seismic. But certainly it's going to be a disturbing night for reform if they don't win as a result of 10% or more of a vote going to restore because it gives reform a massive problem. Okay, Peter C. Barnes, we've got you here just as you drop a piece that Reform UK supporters are not going to want to hear. Look at this. Maker Field has exposed Reform UK's chapel.

of excuses. So even before the result, you seem to be saying that this has been a bad election for reform. Without a doubt, this has been one of the most shambolic campaigns I think I've ever seen. So they're not going to win? I don't think at this point, no. I can't see it. I think it's probably going to be about 47% I think for Burnham, roughly. But I think for me, the problem is structural within reform, is that any amount of criticism is met with you're a heretic. How dare you challenge the orthodoxy, Nigel has a plan, or only reform can fix it, are other mantras that you just keep being thrown at every single time you dare say, you know, something's a little bit more complicated than just, you know, pointing at it and going, that's bad.

One of the major things they did terribly was they missed the point of a local candidate. A local candidate is an instrument. It's not a qualification just because you happen to be in a postcode. You use it to take the national and you make it hyper-local. You take the small boats and you make it that local that you could say it's that gene. appointment and you consistently remind the voter again and again and again its word association that labour neglect, labour neglect should have been actually started, adented and gawton. Because Andy Burnham was not going away. They used him as a boogeyman to kind of make fun of Kiristama when they should have seen him as a threat and they should have made sure that he

was incapable of running. And unfortunately they were far too interested in their own reflection and admiring their own rather what weren't actually that rather stunning results at the local election, considering when you look at the national equivalent vote, they went backwards. Yeah, I have to admit that reform have a lot to learn, but yet again, you dare say that, and you're basically called a plant. Yeah, I've been

called a plant that many times this week, I'm basically the Chelsea Flower Show, so... Although you did say in Russell Quirkshire, didn't you, that you would actually, when I was away last week, as a conservative, he would vote for Andy Burnham just to give reform a bloody nose. Yeah, reform rather forgot

to tell people why to vote for them. They kept running around saying that Andy Burnham is terrible. Yes, everybody on the right knows Andy Burnham is terrible. Just because people are agreeing with the principle, it does not mean that they agree that you're the solution to it. That's the bit where they keep getting wrong. I'm sorry, Mike. See, this is where I come at this from a different point of view and why I think the Reform UK strategy has been so dodgy. Stama is evil to me, okay? I'm sorry, I do not sign up to this thing that actually a vote for restore means that's bad

because you're not getting rid of Stama. Stama is an evil bastard. He has destroyed this country. He has taken away jury trials. He has brought in two-tier justice. He is honestly, I genuinely believe this. Some people might say I'm being hysterical. I think he's one of the most evil men to ever leave this country.

I agree with you. I'm not saying Burdenham is going to be great, but we don't know at this point that Burnham is going to be evil. We know that Stama is evil. I want him out. And the problem is, This performance gone into this election, saying, well, if you vote for Restore, that's going to get rid of summer.

Hello, I thought that's what we wanted to do. Well, we do, but you can't really expect Restore to go into a by-election and say, vote for the Labour Party in order to get rid of the Prime Minister. It's a very bizarre world we now live in. And so that's the thing. And I think, I mean, Peter's right. You know, the strategy has been all over the place. And I think that they need to sort that out. And maybe we're far enough away from a general election for them to sort it out.

So there is that also to consider. I think, you know, dancing on the grave of reform because they don't win this by-election. I think would be a mistake because they are still a very strong power in the country, they've still got an awful lot of support in the country

and it may well be that people, some people on the right are fed up with them, some people on the right want an alternative, fine, have an alternative. And there is a lot to be said as well from Nigel Farage's point of view

for the existence of Rupert Lowe and the existence of Restore on the right side of where he doesn't want to go because if it wasn't for that, he would have to somehow include it in his own offering, which I don't think he wants to do. Well, that being said though,

even, I mean, party inside has been leaking to the spectators, and the like recently, that they actually appreciate that it exists because it has been dragging the right world. Because there are plenty of people, and I'm sure we spoke to people in Reform HQ,

who wish the party was actually a bit stronger on certain issues. And now you've seen Robert Jenerick Zia Yusuf stealing whole cloth rhetoric straight from Restore Britain. Millions must go. We are not the establishment. They've even tried to copy much of their deportation policy that Harrison wrote with their four five-pageer

on Operation Restoring Justice. What's happened is, Restore Britain is actually more successful as a pressure campaign. It's political policy, that it was as a pressure campaign. Well, look at Nigel Farage. I mean,

Nigel Farage's entire political career has been based on him pressuring the conservative side of politics. But at the same time, if it is true that there is this 60 to 75% turnout,

I think we can also say that Restore Britain has been proven correct that they are actually bringing out people who haven't voted either at all or for the first time since the Brexit referendum.

But look, we've got to get the Labor side of this. So I want to bring in former Labor advisor James Matthewson, who is listening. I feel James, you and Mike, you and Mike might be going at it in a couple of minutes, which is fine. I might just sit back.

But James, look, I mean, fundamentally, it's looking like Labor is going to pull off an extraordinary win today. But what happens after that? I mean, does that immediately mean that Burnham challenges Stama? Well, firstly, I mean, I'd be a fool to come after I and Mike, wouldn't I? let's be honest. No one's going to take on that fight. But I do think you're right. Burnham,

if you wins tonight, which all kind of data have seen, all suggestions and conversations I've had seem to feel like they are confident that'll happen. Although everyone does say they're quietly confident when they're asked at my election counts, aren't there? But I do think genuinely we're likely to see that victory tonight. And then of course, Andy Burnham will get his letter. He'll go down to Parliament. He'll be sworn in as an MP again for the second time. And What does he do then? Because he can't just trigger that election because he knows how bad it looks for him to have his fingers on the murder weapon. He doesn't want to be the person to do it.

He has told people who I know are very close to Andy that he wants to wait until September. He wants to give Kirstama that September deadline, Labor Party conference. He gets coronated, you know. So a stitch up, an anti-democratic stitch up, no leadership contest. That's what you're saying. No, no, no, leadership. There would be a leadership contest. There would be no, there's no way there'll be no leadership contest.

But they want to run that between now and September is what I mean. But without Stama competing, though. What's that? Without Stama running. That's up to Stama. Apparently, everything seems to suggest that he believes he will be part of that contest, which he has every right to be. He will be on the ticket as the incumbent.

Mike Graham. He's going to be. Take on James. He might as well. throw himself on the fire now because, you know, according to what I read, I think this morning, Andy Burnham is looking to go to see Keir Starma with a kind

of, you know, the black spot, if you like, and he's going to say to him, right, we're not going to have a leadership contest as long as you give me a timetable for your departure, at which point Starma will have to either put up or shut up. And I think, supposedly enough people inside the party are you going to tell Starma, you're going to get humiliated here. You might

not just be humiliated by Andy Burnham, but you also be humiliated by John Healy, by Al-Qarmer, by West Streeting and by anybody else who might fancy standing. And you'll end up looking like a guy who's just been, you know, put through some hideous, you know, ordeal through the course of the night with a load of men. I'm afraid that you're not going to enjoy.

Or maybe he would. But the point is that, you know, he is going to be told in no uncertain terms, don't humiliate yourself. Because I don't know. I think, I think if he's got any brains and we're not sure that he has, he will agree to go. But maybe not, as you say, until September. Yeah, the problem is, mate, he's got plenty brains.

right? I know a lot of you didn't, you know, I mean, we've just heard Kea Stama's evil, apparently, not sure I quite agree with that assessment, Dan, but what I will tell me is he's not got, he's, you don't believe Kea Stama is evil? No, and most of the country don't believe he's evil. I don't think there's, oh, they do. They do. They do. I struggle to find a politician I would call evil, Dan, right? So, you know, I don't think, there's many, there's many who are lacking in certain things. There's many who I think are objectively Do you understand, James? James, do you understand, what politicians have done to this country?

Yes. They are evil. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. Anyway, the point is that I'm making here is that Andy Burnham will absolutely trounce

everybody. It's bound to happen. If he wins this tonight, he has slain the Reform UK dragon, which is the biggest threat to labour and the biggest... Peter, Peter, C. Barnes is nodding along.

Peter, do you want to come in? James is absolutely bang on here, because what you've also got in that time period is probably the Greater Manchester Mayor, and he gets to be the... the returning hero of this. I'm the guy that beat Nigel. I'm the one that took a reform trending seat and won it back. And, you know, I'm the one that's got the grit and the power to be able to do it. That is an incredible power. No, but this is why you political pundit guys are

kind of mad. You've got this collective blindness to reality because, you know, this was a Labour seat. They won it in 2024. It's a new constituency. You know, there is nothing that reform are defending here. Reform should have won it if perhaps there was. No, it. No, it. It's not. What's a bit of its nonsense? Well, are you going to say that it's not a new constituency and that it was not held by Labour? Is that nonsense? That's the most, listen. I'm not even in the Labour Party anymore, so I've got

I don't blame. They've probably kicked you out for being mad. What I will tell you, the other thing kicked me out. I left because I think they're terrible. What I will tell you is, though, at the end of the day, this, the political winds have shifted dramatically since 2024. Reform weren't even on the scene properly. We know how much they have upset. They came second in 2024 with Rob Kenyon.

What are you talking about? We know how much they've upset the Applecart, right, since then. And we know how much that movement has grown. So to think that they've got nothing to defend here, it was reforms to lose at the end of the day, right? They had it in the bag. No, rubbish. If anybody other than Burnham had stood for the Labour Party,

reform would be winning hands down. That's true. That's true. That may well be true. We'll never know the answer to that, though, will we? Because at the end of the day, you know, but Andy Burnham, but also, you know, the problem with Labor voters as well is they're also collectively kind of

suffering from some kind of weird miasma. Andy Burnham went to 26 other constituencies before he decided that he was going to run in Makerfield because it was his home town. You know, the guy is a complete charlatan and the fact that anybody thinks that they could vote for him is a vote for

somebody decent, then they've got, they might have to jump in off, they must have jump out of a plane. What is Natele Farage? He's not running for anything. We're talking about Andy Burnham. Andy Burnham is a charlatan who complains about the fact that the British people have been let down successfully over the last 20, 40 years by politicians, of which he has

been one since the 1990s when he was Chris Smith's special advisor in the first Tony Blair government in 1997. I'm just going to very briefly jump in because it looks like Sarah Pochin at the counter's almost conceding. She has just told GB News, I think what you'll see tonight is a very strong turnout for reform. If we get a good strong turnout, we come a strong second. we'll be very happy with our performance. So they're throwing in the towel. Oh, yeah, they already admitted that they pulled back most of their social media spent about three or four days ago.

And this told you everything. I also, Nigel Farage said he's changing his Facebook team after a donor's dinner, you know, literally just two days ago. He's brought back the worst elements of 2016. You know, he's that entitled. Even Hillary Clinton thinks it's a bit too much. You've got Project Fia. Well, that doesn't work when your own side agrees with you

that, you know, Andy Burnham is terrible. And then finally, you can't celebrate the death of the two-party system and then not realize you're now in five-party politics. And you cannot go around insulting people like baskets of deplorables. You don't scare people and you can't insult voters to your own side, particularly a party like reform, where you're going to need them at parliamentary level because you're still struggling to get the largest party. Okay, let's actually just, James, before you come back in,

I actually just want to show you what Sarah Poachy. has said on G.B. News in the past few minutes, because this does feel like reform are conceding. Let's listen to. Your two parties mend their differences. It appeared to be a clash between the leaders, doesn't it? Rupert Lowe and Nigel Farage. If those two buried the hatch, you would be a much more potent weapon on the right. Look, Nigel Farage, I am absolutely sure, is going to be the next Prime Minister of this country, and we will see him go through the doors of number 10. That's the only thing I have to say on the matter. He has my 100% loyalty. He would be an amazing Prime Minister.

And there's nothing that Nigel says that I don't firmly believe in. But if Labour win, as the bookies say, and if the Tories win Aberdeen South and the SMP win Arbrotham-Broat Ferry, you've won nothing tonight, have you? And that may stop the momentum growing behind reform. I would have to disagree with you there. I think what you will see tonight

is a very strong turnout for reform, a very strong share of the vote. This is an unusual election because you're dealing with a bit like Boris was a brand. I mean, I don't think Andy Burnham is a big a brand name as Boris, but certainly in the north he does have a name. And so he's got that name recognition. So I think it's slightly unusual, whereas in Runcorn, it was myself and Karen Shore, I think it was for the Labour Party.

Neither of us were big beasts in the political world. So I think there is that element here tonight, which we would have to factor in. But look, if we get a good strong turnout, we come a strong second, we'll be very happy with our performance. So you're effectively saying you're second, not first, then see. Listen, Chopper, you're twisting my words. What I'm saying is, let's wait and see what happens.

It's actually not two-second words. But certainly it is interesting because we have this candidate for Labour who clearly has a following, clearly has a name. So a name recognition, as we know in politics, can swing it. Oh, please, Sarah. that's a bit disastrous. And yes, Andy Burnham does have name recognition. But okay, that is effectively Reform UK concede, but James, I guess the problem for your lot begins now. Yeah, I've just, I have to excuse me, I just choked as she said that because I was drinking while

she, she admitted the fact. But I'll tell you what, I've got to hand it to you lot in restore those of you on the panel who are backing it because you have a gift that keeps on giving of people like me, man, to lefties and progressives. I cannot wait to see what you'll do at a general election to the reform party. It's fantastic. Conard, do you want to come in? We have to put up with you speak

an absolute nonsense on Twitter in the meantime. It's a price worth paying as far as I'm concerned. Well, I'm very glad you're entertained. Whenever someone says that, it reminds me, you mentioned Hillary Clinton. It reminds me of when Hillary Clinton was propping up Donald Trump as a Piper candidate because he thought he was so absurd

and they could stick all the charges of racist and sexist on them. it'd be easier to beat. And actually it came back and bit her in the arse. So I'm glad you're amused my friend, but, you know, careful what you wish for. But I think Hillary Clinton's on the ars, it's not a pleasant thought. I don't know. Donald Trump was able to take control of the Republican Party. That's the difference.

And he was able to be successful in a two-party political system with control of one of those two parties. You are not that. And you will never be that. And this country will reject every. everything you stand for. And people like me will never, never allow your bigotry to take hold in this country. You practice that in the mirror or it's, that's why they kicked them out of the Labour Party for being so unreasonable. Well, it was clearly a challenge to Andy Burnham's leadership with such charisma. Look, mate, most people do not want to just have millions of immigrants imposed

upon them and pay for them forever. Most people just don't want, you know, people let out of prison early for violent offences like Kirstarmer did. Most people don't want the highest tax burden since 1948. and that's why Kirstom was the most hated politician that's ever been in Downing Street on record. Starmus done barely anything. That's the thing politically stopped. But he's managed to vary in the country. Storm has hated on the left by people like me.

Storm has hated on the right by people like you. That's the problem. For you lot to try and claim that there's some kind of Marxist thing that's been going on whereby he is hated because he's so left-wing is nonsensical. What you will see with Burnham, we'll see what it is.

Manchesterism. I have no idea what it. actually means, if anything, but we will see because as soon as there is anyone with a comprehensive vision who can communicate even basically to the British public with a decent bit of charisma like Burnham has, then I'm sorry, but the fringes, the extremes, the Polanskis, the Rupert-Lows, all of them will fizzle away and we will see a return to a sort of mainstream acceptance of general progressive politics and value. That country is over.

James, James. You don't understand how angry people are. You don't get it. But this is not normal politics. This is not politics as usual. Do you not understand Henry Novak, we're never going to forget. Axel Ruda Cabana and the saying of those three girls at Southport, we're never going to forget.

You're selectively choosing the crimes that you want to look at in the British, you know, story. And you're wanting to look at certain things under a microscope and under a spotlight to try and wind people up. hundreds of them. Yeah, but what you're trying, but what you're trying to do is to say that because of one particular by-election result, which is an incredibly unusual by-election result, because one man has won for one party,

that that somehow fixed everything of the last two years. No, not all, mate, for the Labour government, because it hasn't. And it won't. And Dan's right, you know, we have changed in our politics in this country. As Peter says, it's a five-party system now. It's not a two-party system anymore. And so it will actually revert away from Andy Burnham,

and what he's just done and we'll go back to the likes of Rupert Lowe and Ranajia Farage and even Zach Wollacki because it's all fragmenting. No, the reality is right, this isn't about the end result tonight. This is the star. What happens here is the possibility.

Politics is the art of the possible, right? It's about potential. What happens tonight if Andy Burnham wins is you have the potential for him to then go on to win a Labour leadership contest to change the Labour Party. You don't think you'll win the Labour leadership. Oh no, he'll win the Labor leadership, but he won't win a general election,

is what I was going to say. Why not? What would, what do you know? Because the rest of the country outside of Manchesterism, whatever the hell that is, doesn't like the Labor government and doesn't like Labor. And they detest, they detest them. No, they detest all of them. They detest David Lammy. They detest Rachel Reeves. They detest Angela Rainer. And you know, you name it. They hate them all. Yeah, but the public aren't going to forget that they existed. That's the big point is you can Keep saying that you change the team, but the damage has already been done. That's part of the problem. If Burnham has a chance, what he needs to do is radical, by the way.

I'm not saying that he's going to come in. It's just, oh, there's a new face. It's fine. What he needs to do is radical. If he does it, and with people like Neil Lawson from Compass by his side, he's looking at changing the way that the country operates. He's looking at changing our constitutional layout. It's all completely irrelevant when you actually try to sell it to the public,

considering the fact that they still feel the cost of living crisis. there's still squeeze on inflation, there's no money. There's no money. There's still dodgy Turkish barbers in their high streets. They still random men in the whole of Africa walking around. Most people are getting their head.

Do you know why Turkish barbers in this? No, that's not true. Because most people are getting their hair cut of Turkish barb. No, because the glut... They're not even from Turkey, so you need to get multiple hair guts a day in order to actually keep these places over. They're dealing drugs.

They're connected to an international trafficking network. That's why the mate, you're laughing. The BBC is, the BBC's reporting on this. This is that banal. But the problem is, the rest of the rest of, The rest of the country isn't on Twitter and isn't... No, they walk outside the house and they think,

Dear God, why is my high street been desolated since COVID? Why are there all these strange businesses that do not serve me? Why are there so many men from India and the Horn of Africa walking around in the middle of the day, drinking coffee and laring at my schoolgirls? Why are there so many random delivery recyclists parked outside of McDonald's with the L plates? This is all over the country. And this is what, unfortunately, for you, I guess, Andy Burnham will not actually address because he won't address the underlying issues with the state

that has inflicted these problems on us. And he's already said, he's not going to change Shabana McMood's immigration laws. He's not going to change Rachel Reeves's fiscal policy. He went to war with the bond markets for all about five minutes and realized there'd be no money to pay for Manchesterism. He is not charismatic enough in order to overturn Labor's fortune. This would be a last Labor government, mate. He's also the damage to his popularity,

the reform have actually been able to inflict. It's quite significant. I think it was plus 11. Now it's down to like minus four or five. Obviously it's not great, but it's such a small amount of time. they've been able to inflict that level. A strong campaign.

He got worse when he went out and met people as well. Oh God, that's always the worst thing a politician can do. They should stay behind closed doors. And also then thought James, oh, I know, I know what's going to win it for me. Let's get Hugh Grant. Let's get Hugh Grant. It's like Andy Burnham is playing the politics, James,

of 20 years ago. And I don't think your former party, potentially your future party, understands that type of politics is no longer going to work. Oh yeah, let's bring in the Champagne socialist. Hugh Grant, one of the worst people in this country. People are not...

Worst people in this country. Oh, yeah. Straight from the Red Light District. From Picardly Gardens, you know. All right, okay. Still doing his zip-up. You've never known anyone who's hung around the Red Light District before. Yeah, but I'm from that constituency.

I'm from that constituency. I can tell you, he will go down like a couple hot sick. Are you suggesting that I go to Red Light Districts? Yeah. You know, he may be very mounted to be careful. Must come around and give you good shoeing. One of the worst people in the country. Well, he is.

Listen, lads, lads, look, aside from the Twitter hyperbole, the X kind of excitement. But it's not as real people. You're going to see that tonight. You are going to see that tonight. It is real people. This idea that the online right is not reflecting what's happening in the country is bullshit. We are reflecting what's happening in the country. Your metropolitan bubble doesn't understand what's happening in the country.

I'm from the communities that you want to. trying to disturb, right? Yeah, the ones that Labor have lost. Labor have lost the northeast of England, mate. I'm not talking about the Labour Party. I'm not in the Labour Party, Mike. What I'm saying is that the communities that I come from, the places that I come from, the very working class heart of this country, the very people that you thought you could

wind up and rail up and send out on the streets. They would get your conspiracy theory politics and the absolute nonsense. And you guys are just worried that you're not going to have the. rage bait that generates the cliques. I'm not worried about that at all, actually. Because it's going to continue, because as long as these idiots are in charge, we'll all be making plenty of money. Thanks very much. We want to save the country.

That is what matters. But James Matthewsson, we're going to be checking in with you as the night goes on. Thank you so much. BBC, by the way, is reporting now that they are hearing of a high turnout. Remember, it's 52% at the general election. 60% to 65%. The Labour view is that if the turnout goes beyond 65%,

that is bad for them. The Insider is in Makerfield and she has now tracked down Lucy White of Restore Britain. Dan, I am sat here with Lucy who has been canvassing for the last few weeks. You've been coming here. And what has it been like? Because you're on the ground, you're meeting people coming into contact with all different types of people. What have you experienced? Well, I'd say my first impression, Lauren, is that we first had, we first had.

have to compare 2026 to the 24 general election. We know that Labor won with 45% of the vote. We know that reform last year came in second place with about 31% of the vote. And what's interesting and what I'm not hearing enough is that the same reform candidate, Robert Kenyon, is currently the candidate now for the 2026 by election. And so it's very interesting, you know, so we've seen Robert Kenyon being used to essentially losing coming second place. We might see that tonight as well. But what I would say is that in 2024, there were 76,600 voters in Makerfield registered to vote. And of that, the turnout was only 52%.

So essentially, we have 36,000 people with Makerfield who are registered to vote but didn't turn up in 2024. And that's why I always say that we're not splitting the vote, because Restore can tap into that extra 47% of registered voters who did not vote last time and they might vote now. So essentially, you can look at Labour and Reform in 2024, but as I said, hang on, if half the people registered 47% didn't actually vote, perhaps this time they'll come out and vote for a store. When you were meeting people, we know a big problem in terms of getting Restore's message out is the blanket censorship from the mainstream media. How many people knew about Rupert Lowe, knew about Restore and knew about the great work that is being done? Were they aware of him and what was going on? I'd say definitely they were aware of him. I think because they've received a lot of literature through the posts, but also a very strong game on social media, particularly Facebook.

and X. So one of the responses we did have is that they're very aware of Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain. A lot of people were afraid of splitting the vote. But as I've consistently said, and particularly on our friend Dan Witten's show, is that I don't believe reform is even a right-wing party, number one. And number two, as I've said, 47% of the registered voters have not voted. So how can we be splitting the vote? Number one, we're a common sense. party and reform isn't even a right-wing party plus the fact that 47% of the voters haven't been tapped into. So there's a whole entire 36,000 voters out there that can vote for Restore. And so essentially, who is to say that, let's just imagine hypothetically in a hypothetical

situation, Restore was not running. Who's to say that they would even vote for reform? And in fact, if we look at the 2024 general election, perhaps those 47% of people didn't vote because Restore wasn't there. Well, thank you so much. Those are amazing insights. And back to the studio. And we are back live in the outspoken election studio for our first ever live election broadcasts. Have to thank the legend that is Mike Graham.

He will be back on the Mike Graham show from 7am. Make sure you subscribe. Make sure you watch because by that point, of course, there will be the result. But what a perfect man. To replace him, it is only his UK live co-presenter, Russell Quirk, who is an out-and-out Reform UK supporter. Let's just be honest about it, Russell. I'm an elected reform councillor, so you would imagine that I am.

Yes, indeed. So finally, we've got some reform blood in the studio for us to just ravage, you know. But Connor Tomlinson, you have a new data point out of Makerfield? Well, not out of Makerfield, but it was picking up on a point previously made by Sarah Poachin. Of course, reformer already saying, well, as long as we come in a strong second, it's all fine. I decided to look up what a strong second would have been compared to the make-filled election result in 2024. Same candidate, but when reformed much lower profile. Rob Kenyon got almost 32% of the vote share in 2024.

And so, obviously, much higher turnout, much higher profile for reform. If reform get less than 32% in second, I would consider that actually underperforming. So when you get a bit more granular into the detail, they've actually got a bit of a higher threshold to clear. Okay, so let's just, hang on. Russell, before you, before you start, I just want to ask, here we go. I just want to ask, no, no, I just want to ask,

are you conceding defeat? Because we've just seen Sarah Poachan at Makerfield say, oh, we'll be a good old strong second of the turnout's good. No, well, look, how can you concede defeat when you've got no idea whether the votes? Because you know you've lost, don't you? No, no, but you don't know you've lost until the votes have been counted. So, well, that'll be counted. And restore is at 10%.

Being counted, but there's to be no declaration. So, no, look, I mean, if you want to ask me, if we come second, is that a good or a bad result? Well, look, the obvious answer is everyone wants to win. But have we lost the plot here in terms of this particular constituency and its history? This is the reddest of red war seats. This is a seat that has only ever been labour since 1906. The previous seven or eight MPs have been Labour. So the month ago, 50% of the people voted for reform.

The fantasy that as a consequence. with this by-election being called by Labor, that reform would automatically win it or win any seat, no matter what the demographic, no matter where it's called, is for the birds. I don't think anyone said automatically. It is true that reform were in for a very strong showing. This should be their ideal seat, right?

White working class, Brexit voting. But traditionally very labor. Traditionally very labor, but Labor have betrayed them. And they won at the local elections. And the problem reform has had, multiple, they've ran an almost entirely negative campaign. They have not mounted a sufficient defense of Rob, who seems like a really nice guy, but instead they decided to coach him like absolute crap to go on question time, hung him

out strike. It was only like yesterday that Farage finally turned around and said, you know what, who cares? He's a lad in a pub. Yeah, you should have said that right at the start. Yeah. And we have just, because of reform. We have just heard from Councillor Robert Kenyon, actually, let me show you this. He has posted this photo was taken on the day. I decided to stand in Makerfield. I am confident of a big vote for reform tonight. Thank you to everyone who placed their faith in me from changing boilers to changing politics. This is something I will never forget. Now look, Russell, I actually really feel sorry for this guy. I think he's been thrown to the walls by you, by your party. Hang on. The elephant in the room that you all seem to be

very conveniently missing is the fact that despite the stats that Conner's just articulated to us, in previous elections, whether it be local or general election, Restore did not stand effectively against reform. So we can perform what we like in regard to how reform haven't performed. But you're forgetting the fact that Restore are going to get what, 7, 8, 9, maybe 10% of the vote. They're already similar at 10. At least.

So add that back in, or a proportion of that, a sizable majority of that, back to the reform vote. And reform win. So why are you not then pointing your guns at Restore on the right as reforming? for losing the selection for the right of the political speculation. Because you don't own their vote. No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm talking about the maths, Peter.

The entitlement of this argument is astounding to me. You've effectively now got three parties on the right. The Conservatives that will poll about three or four percent. Reform that will do very, very well indeed as a centre-right party, right in Labour's heartland. But you're forgetting the reason that reform might not do as well as they might is because of restorers. No, it's because of Reform UK, who absolutely ran the worst campaign

and failed to convince us. people to put the X in the box for them. Reform UK have to stop running around thinking they own a vote. That is how the Labour Party and the Conservative Party disintegrated. The entitlement of that argument demanding people step aside is something that Nigel Farage built his career

on, by the way. Your entire party is based on not following the trend. No one's suggesting that they should step aside. What I'm saying is they have done over what I'm saying is that if we're talking about electoral maths and you want to compare, as Conner's just done, the performance of reform

tonight versus the performance of reform on May the 7th, you are forgetting one vital ingredient, which is restore. It's just a question of mathematics gentlemen. But the Conservatives also stood in that seat at the last election. And Rob Canyon managed to eclipse them. They were only about 10%. Rob Canyon, again, relatively unknown, got 30%. Yeah. So if we're just swapping places here, then... Well, it is extraordinary, by the way, the Tories, just to throw this fact into the mix, in 2019, got 34% in Makerfield. It's a very... You have to remember that actually the area has had conservative cancers for a very, very long time. The candidate, Michael Winstonly, is a formidable campaigner. He's very well known locally. He always wins the vote, despite the conservative

brand not doing very well. He's also very active. He's well known. I think he was at one point the vice chairman of the party itself. He's a no, an MBE as well. So yeah, he's somebody that you should not count down. And actually the conservative's putting him in was smart. But see, for me, Russell, this is actually so not about mathematics at all. This is actually about something far, far more fundamental, far, far more psychological, far, far more emotional. And unfortunately, people like me

were warning people like you about this even before Rupert Lowe was thrust out of Reform UK, in the most terrible manner. I mean, reporters to the police, let's not forget that. But I knew at the time that there was this growing civil war coming. And my belief... Between reform and restore. No, no, between reform and reform.

At that point, Zee Yusufv versus Rupert Lowe. I was reporting on it, and it did happen. They reported into the cops and put him out of the party, and I've admitted now that they were having huge fights behind the seat. But you're not suggesting that's continuing now. Yes, 100%. There is...

Mark Warno. There are faction wars within Norbank Tower, because they're currently squabbling... Well, you're talking about slight disagreements of ideology in a party. You mean like the Conservatives have had for 50 years. And the Labour Party are about to have tomorrow when they have to decide who's going to be the leader of the Labour Party.

No, I'm saying that they're squiremen. I'm saying that they're squabbling for second place. I mean, Zia is very discontentive with the number of Tories packed into the party, because, of course, Richard Tice would like to shore up his particular faction. Also, Jemric has been maneuvered by people with lots of investments in things like GB News and The Spectator and Arkham. You think all that has played with the electorate of Makerfield. No, I'm not saying that.

When did I say that? Well, that's the inference. No, you just said, no, it isn't the inference? No, no. Hang on, Russell, why don't you just listen to what I'm saying, right? You contested to Dan that there is a reform. reform civil war that they aren't on the same page. I've said there's no civil war.

You can make that up all you like because it's a convenient. Your own side confirmed it exists. No, but you're suggesting therefore, Dan has just suggested that because there's some fictitious reform on reform war, that that's why reform might not win it make it. No, no, no, no, no, no. What I'm talking about, listen to me, listen to me, what I'm talking about is a civil war that started when Rupert Lowe was thrust out of the party, a civil war on the right. And unfortunately, it did happen before that.

that Russell, because I remember having Richard Tice on outspoken when he used to come on outspoken and saying to him, it is very unwise that you have just described millions of Tommy Robinson supporters as that lot. And I knew that they were all turning on Rupert Lowe. I knew that they were looking at people like me because I know what they were saying, oh, he's a fringist, he's gone too far, we need to move to the left. That lot. So my point is that unfortunately, this is all of Reform UK's making. The Civil War in the Party, I believe, is still ongoing in a very different manner. It's now between, like, the original reformists and the new Tories who have come over.

But my point is, is that people like me were warning reform that this was going to be coming. They were so arrogant. I remember having conversations with people like Isabel Oakeshot who were saying to me, oh, don't be ridiculous. We're not even slightly threatened about Rupert-Lo. Do you know what they actually said? They said, we think this is great because what it's going to do

is push all of the extremists out of the party and we embrace that. It is a wonderful thing. And I was like, you're crazy. Because we're not extremists. Tommy Robinson supporters are not extremists. But we're sitting here articulating an episode, a dispute between two prominent members of a party

in Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe. Yes. As if no other political parties, party in history has ever had fallouts or disquired. Yeah, but you always say that you're better than everybody else. That's part of the problem. No, no, we say we're anti-establishment. You're run around thinking you're so right.

You can't do that with Zim's a hauling in the park. What I'm not hearing at all in the last two or three hours, gentlemen, though, is what happens when Restore poll at six or seven percent of the vote tonight. They prove their existence of work. No, no, don't. They prove that despite, they prove that despite throwing the kitchen sink in terms of their membership and money at a by-election, a focus that they have had. had for the last four or five weeks, that if they only get six or seven percent, that they are

a busted flush. They are done. They've also proven that Nigel Farage is what they prove is that they do not resonate with the public. I say the same thing. Sorry, go on. How can it be any other outcome? Because they're already anticipated to get higher than that. They're already anticipated to perform a colding. What if they get 10%? Why would, what, 10% would, why haven't they pulled it 25% to 30% like reform we're going to? 10% would already be higher, also the four months old. And, but, but, but, but, but, but, But reform was only three years.

Hang on. Well, it's actually seven years old, to be fair. And also, and also, it's a new party because that applies

to reform is much as no, no, because Nigel Farrod's been a national political figure for a number of years, which is one of the main arguments. Rupert Lowe's even more than I was. Not to the same degree.

Not to the same degree. Hang on, national political figure for about 20 years. I'm sorry, there's not much of a defense of a party that polls at 8, 9, 10%. Hang on, hang on, hang on, just say that somehow it's got traction.

Russell, Russell, if we're going to have a conversation, we need to actually have back and forth. Yeah. Right. Okay. Reform is one of its main attacks on Rupert is that nobody knows who he is.

So you can't maintain that he's a national... It's not my attack. Hang on, but it's the reforming attack. I'm articulated in my argument, not that I've been told to by... Okay, but I didn't say that you've been told to. We're talking about... I'm talking about...

Very frustrating. I'm just trying to have a normal conversation with you, right? I know the camera's on, but let's sort of drop pretenses, right? You can't simultaneously maintain that the party has... no plausible argument for being new, for being four months old while their adversaries are saying, well, nobody knows who you are. So they are actually making up significantly more ground than Nigel Farrell-Rochew has been a campaigner for 20, 30 years. From my mind of celebrity, has been

topping the polls for the last year or so, at least. So of course they have a larger national person. No, but Connor, restore and reform have largely the same amount of members, correct? No, they do. So reform has about 270,000 members. Restore apparently are telling if they have about 250,000. No, no, 130,000. No, no, way more. 200 plus. No, that's not, they'd never said that.

All right. So, in relative terms... Hang on, hang on. I'm sure they have, but anyway, I stand to be corrected. My friends are on the party. That's not the point. That's not the point, right? The point is that if you are a party,

whether you're four months old or four years old, and you have that much traction in terms of membership support, and indeed you can throw the kitchen sink at a by-election as a restore of done, only then to get 8 or 9% of the vote compared to your biggest competitor reform at 35 to 40% of the vote, surely you see that there's quite a disparity there

in terms of resonating with the public, despite the fact that the profile of Rupert Lowe and social media is huge, despite the fact that they've had hundreds and hundreds of people in Makerfield for the last four or five weeks. They are very, very prominent, left right and center, social media in Makerfield itself, leafleting, knocking on doors and so on.

But you wouldn't concede that despite that huge effort and that huge profile by Rupert Lowe and his acolytes, that to get 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10% the vote is not a failure. Well, I've just got a message from one of our mutual friends, actually, who says the assumption that Restore Britain doesn't have the public support if they get less than 10% of today's vote is ridiculous. I get stopped daily by people who want to talk about Rupert Lowe with me. That is in places nowhere near Makerfield. But look, do stand by. We have Conor Thomason, our election analyst, the brilliant Peter C. Barnes,

who you can read on Politics Unspun, and he has a very good take on why this campaign has gone wrong. And Russell Quirk is, of course, as he points out, an elected Reform UK counsellor, but also now host of his own independent media show on UK live, and they are all going to be back with us very shortly. A reminder too, please do hit the subscribe button. If you're watching Dan Whitten outspoken for the first time, you can see the ticker going up on screen. And of course, we'll come to your super chats and you'll get a little note on screen every time you make a super chat to and that's the way I can see what you are saying tonight. But now we cross to Richard Taylor, host of Ritchie and Rogue Unfiltered.

Richard, what are you hearing about what is going to go down when this make a field result is announced? A very high turnout. Is that good news for Restore Britain? Possibly done. I think, first of all, to say it's quite clear that no by-election has attracted so much attention as this one. For obvious reasons, we could potentially.

be looking at the next Labour Prime Minister. And our guests on our show earlier, we did it to our broadcast prior to yours, as you know, Richie and Rogan Filtered. My course is not your other wage because she's exhausted with all the comments we had coming through. But suffice to say, I think there is a strong feeling amongst many of our viewers tonight that the splitting of the vote, I know that kind of phrase is not popular, amongst some of your guests may be, that potentially Restore Britain would be given Andy Burnham the keys to number 10. Now, I know there are different opinions on this.

And I think there are a lot of people who are arguing on the right. There's such division between these two parties on the right for obvious reasons because of things that have been said in the past by Nigel Farage and Zia Yusif, towards Rupert Lowe, where he's treated him and Ben Abiv and many others in the past. And I think, unfortunately, for us, those of us who are apolitical, we just want a party that wants to close the borders, that wants to stop the cost of living, the mass immigration to our country. We want to deport these illegal immigrants that are here in hotels, in our prisons,

in HMOs and everything else. and we want to see British people put first. We don't care, quite frankly, which party it is. We don't care who the next Prime Minister is. All we know is we cannot have another term of labour, especially if it's Andy Burnham, who's far more left-wing than Kirstama, and we've got to do all we can to work together

to fight against the establishment. And I know some people would say, Nigel Farage is part of the establishment. He's part of the UNI party. And I want to make this very clear. To break the establishment, you have to get into the belly of the beast. You have to become part of it before you break it up.

And that's why he's appealing to a wider... of people out there politically and try to win over the votes from every demographic within society for a reason. I want to put on record, I am not a supporter reform or restore, I'm not with any political party, but my view is, and the view of many of our viewers, is that this

with restore standing in Makerfe, which is entitled to who we live in a democracy, then of course it's going to take away votes from reform. Whether it'll be enough to stop them winning, who really knows? We've all got these political crystal balls. If you had Tomlinson mentioned that, you know, whether they're at 11% or 15% wherever.

Nobody knows. You can't predict. You know, we'll know way tomorrow morning. That's when we will find out. Connor, do you want to come in? Well, that's just what I... I was tipped off by one of my friends who's at the count and thinks he's in the know. So I'm just relaying that bit of information.

I think they're feeling fairly confident that they're going to get double digits, and it's because of the higher level of voter turnout, particularly among those who don't typically vote. And of course, that was their secret to success in Great Yarmouth. I think as long as they come in a competitive third, they're going to be slapping each other on the back. If they come in second,

blind me they'll be held to pay tomorrow. Yeah, I just say, what happens if they don't even get their deposit back? They don't get 5% of the votes. I mean, where would that leave us? They're going to, though. They're going to. You're that confident?

Yes, absolutely, yeah. You are. Okay, okay. And is that confidence based on what you've seen on the ground with your canvas? Because I know a lot of people, Edward Orkhan, Fall is a friend of ours. I know he's been campaigning with you guys

and Andrew Bridging as well as friends of ours. They're saying, you know, on the doors, people ask, you know, saying, we're going to vote for a store, we're going to vote for a store, etc. But reform are saying the same. So they've done their own internal polling. And they're saying, you know, they're pulling to do very well there. And it's a two-horse race.

So, I mean, all these polls online do not translate when it comes to, at the end of the day, when it's declared, we know the people have made a feat of the people that will get to decide. You've got candidates. Now, if I can say this, Dan, and I know we've disagreed a number of things, Dan, but we're friends. You know, it's been reported to me here on our show that Rebecca Shepherd has been hardly any way. No one's seen her. I mean, she was offered to do Hustins or Manchester Even in News.

She didn't show up. Rupert Lowe's been complaining that they didn't get on BBC Question Time, which is wrong in my opinion. But yet when there's an opportunity at Hustins, and as a candidate, and I've been a candidate, you take every opportunity you can to get your voice out there. At a Hustin's, local radio, newspaper articles, it doesn't matter what it is.

Any opportunity you get, you should be out there and telling people what it is you're standing for. But unfortunately, this has been about Rupert Lowe, and I think nationally, a legend, right? What he did with the rape gang inquiry is absolutely incredible. As an MP, he is outstanding. What he does with his salary every month is incredible. It's the kind of MP that I would love to have as my own MP in my constituency, right? But this is bigger than all of that. This is about who's going to be the next PM. And we're looking potentially at

giving Andy Burnham the road to number 10. The second thing people aren't talking about is the possibility of West Street in. He's been out doing the rounds this week as well. And it's the potential of him triggering the leadership election. And don't count him out because he could come on the outside of Andy Burnham. And I'm looking at that as well. And also, what about the seat, the mayoral seat in Manchester? Because of course, if Andy Burnham wins and becomes the MP for Makerfield, that seat becomes vacant. And then we'll restore go for that? Will reform go for that? Well, we've actually got all a mini-hane of Restore Britain in the studio. She is the spokesperson for the safety of women and children alongside James

Benbridge, a Reform UK candidate too. We'll come to you shortly, James. But I guess Richard's put a couple of things to you there, Ola. Firstly, what about this idea that actually Rebecca hasn't done enough in McEfield? And actually, this has been a campaign about Rupert rather

than Rebecca. Is that fair criticism? Okay, so we've had this conversation. I've had this conversation with so many people. First of all, let's be really clear, Rebecca's job as a potential MP and as a candidate is to walk the streets, speak to the locals, knock on doors, gain the public support. That's her job.

Okay, so ultimately, going on GB News and going on talk TV and going all these things is absolutely irrelevant because tomorrow morning, if she was to become MP tonight, tomorrow, the only thing that matters is what she will do and she will deliver for the people of McEfield. That's it. Everybody, she will be, everybody will forget about this and move on to the next political the next political drama. So how many people on the backbench is? How many people in Labor do you know?

No, very, very few. The only people that know those MPs are the people in their constituencies and whether they're doing a good job. That's the first thing. That's all the matters. Everyone says, we haven't seen her. Again, you don't need to see her.

The people of Makerfield need to see her. She is not public property. She's not the press's property. She's essentially the only ones that are going to be voting are those constituents. she's been on the ground every solitary day for the last six weeks. She has not had a day off.

She is absolutely, you know, relentless in her pursuit of... And the thing is we have seen her, it's just not in usual mainstream media circumstances. I actually want to show you because you know Will Coleshill or Fox Populi, he's been doing brilliant work. And he was actually on the ground with Rebecca Shepard in Makerfield earlier today. Let's take a look at what she had to say.

So how's it going today? I think it's going really well. I've had some great conversations on the doors. A couple of ladies. I met one outside the polling station. She was actually into horses. So we had a good chat about that. And yeah, she thanked me and went into vote. So it's going really well. And what issues are you getting raised on the door? The one that we've just had there was funding for send children. A lady's been on the waiting list for 12 years to try and get her daughter, an EHCP.

so that was a bit of an issue so hopefully I'll be in a position to help her sometime soon and that's been one of your core issues as well isn't it? Yeah definitely getting funding and trying to give, send children and people, you know older people

access to activities outside of school is something that I feel very passionately about yeah and we've been speaking to people today and a lot of people don't know about what Andy Burnham has done with his big surveillance program, 100 million pounds for the sort of Euler system that he wanted to unveil. What do you think of the sort of mass surveillance that you've been trying to bring in?

Well, I just think it's a bit pointless, isn't it? And it's an invasion of privacy and a waste of money. That's my opinion on it. I just think, what's the point of that? Just use the money for something better and stop surveilling people. You know, we've got a right to our private lives. And quite a few people have been campaigning for reform that we've spoken to. And they're trying to say that they're changing the system. I've been challenging them talking about, you know, the Tories they brought into their ranks. What do you think about the Nadim Zahawis and Robert Gemricks that the reform has been taken in? Well, I wouldn't really like to comment. Obviously, I don't know those people, but I just think it goes against everything that they've already said

that the system has to change. You know, we need decent people in power and just not regenerating old Tories. Right. Yeah, well, Becky. So there she is. Richard What do you think? You've seen her now. Outstanding candidate, obviously, because she knows the people of that area very well. She's a businesswoman. And of course, she is doing, as any candidate would be doing,

she knows her people, knows the constituency. I'm sure Robert Kenyon knows people as a self-in-boy plumber in the area as well. You know, some of us have stood as candidates. So we've had that kind of target on our backs. We know what it takes, the courage and the threats you get and everything else and things that get said about you. I know from experience, it's a tough old game. So I admire anybody that stands in any election, whether it be a by-election, general election or other.

But I think going to the main point here, we have to understand the main enemy in all of this is the Labour Party. Their destruction of our country is, it's incredible. It has been, and the Conservative Party, just the same for 14 years. And so we've got to look at the long-term game. And we do not want another term of labour. Now, this by-election, now I can't believe it's got so much coverage, and rightly so, for the very reason that I'm discussing here, this because potentially we could see someone like Andy Burner who has the potential to resurrect the Labour Party and repair the red crumbling wall that's been crumbling for some time since

Kirstampton Govan Prior and we're going to see a revolution of the Labour Party come together and that then is going to be more difficult which whether it's Rupert Lone Restore whether it's reform and Nigel Farage Josiah Yusuf whoever it might be going into 2029 into a general election and it's going to be much harder to defeat Labour and I know some of you who might think no it's impossible. Look how screwed up, Keir Stambers messed everything up. Trust me, Andy Burnham has the potential and the ability to be able to revive the Labour Party, like Tony Blair Point 2, like the new Labour Party, and of course, gather all the troops together and say, we're back on the map, Labour is here for the working class people, like he's done in

Manchester, and we know he's got a tell-up a track record, we know he's been mentioned in the Rape Gang Inquiry, we know he covered up some stuff in Manchester as well, allegedly, so we know all of that about him, okay? But those on the left and those progressive Labour voters will see him as their saviour of the Labour Party, just as many of people on the right, will see Rupert lowers the saviour as they did with Ben Abed before it folded like a paper airplane. I mean, at the end of the day,

people are looking for answers, they're looking for a saviour, and they're looking for someone to rescue this country. Because we all want to see him for our country. Right now in our live chat on YouTube, it is, let me just check, it is 66% of people going for Rebecca Shepard, saying that they think she deserves to win 31%

Robert Kenyon for Reform UK. and 4% for Andy Burnham of Labor. Now, by the way, Lauren the insider infiltrated Labor HQ earlier, and we're going to be revealing what went down very shortly. But let me thank you very much. Richard Taylor, he is, of course, the host of Richie and Rogue on Filtered. Richie and Rogue unfiltered on YouTube, Richard, thank you so much for being here. Now, we do have in the studio, James Benbridge of Reform UK

and Alla Miny Hain of Restore Britain. there has been another scandal today which we haven't spoken about yet. And I want to play you both this video. So this is Sarah Poachin. She is a Reform UK MP who has effectively conceded defeat in Makerfield tonight. But she's had a very controversial day and it was quite interesting that she was the one sent to the count given this video. She posted earlier, for the sake of women's safety, we need England to keep winning. And it was alongside this video. watch. England won the football last night and thank goodness they did because on the occasions that

England lose their football matches, the incidences of domestic violence go through the roof. So boys keep winning. Now, Alla Minnie Hayne, you are the spokesperson for the safety of women and children for Restore Britain. You are absolutely furious about this, responding on X, Dairy Dairy Me, how utterly shameful maybe people will start believing me now. Reform do not take women's safety and well-being seriously. What was it about that video, all of that, you had such a problem with?

It's just an absolute insult. Now, look, a couple of things. Sarah Putin is a nice woman, okay? She is a nice woman. I don't think that she did this with any kind of malice. I think it was ill-thought-out. I think it was opportunistic. I think whoever is advising her needs to be sacked immediately.

But to do it in that kind of, well, first of all, Yeah, there is, in her defense, there is statistics that do say that do link domestic violence with sporting events. Not necessarily football, but it is to do with the drinking that is involved with. And that and that is statistically true. However, it's just the way she's trivialized it, trivialized it by saying, so boys, you better keep winning. I mean, wow, it is so, so untasteful, distasteful. distasteful even

and you know I'm looking thinking you're actually you've actually stood and trivialised domestic violence which is so prevalent in the UK particularly more so now than ever there are so many counts or so many instances of domestic

suicide from domestic abuse it's the most horrendous thing that women and men go through and it was just it was almost like an advert for football it was just horrific James, can you, James Bembridge, can you defend this? No, I can't.

I mean, look, do I look like a career politician to you, Dan? Not with that hat. I'm a career, no, I'm a career less politician. I lost. But at least it's a better hat than the one he had last time I was on with him. When I was standing for Soho, they had this slogan for me, bet on Benbridge. Well, people bet and they lost.

I lost big. No, I can't defend that. Well, if you're going to lose them, you've got to lose big. Yeah, exactly. Go home or go large, go home. Is it that you're throwing her under the bus? You're not even going to try. I can't defend it.

We had this conversation outside and I showed him. You can't defend it. No. And again, I don't defend it. Okay, well, fine. She has to finish it. Well, well, sorry, Jones, make your point. I was just going to say, as always says,

obviously she's a very nice woman. She was, this was just completely so horrifically ill-advised. And the thing is, my view would be, within, within 20 minutes, she was being annihilated. Take it down. Well, with friends like James Benbridge, who needs enemies? My God. James is a bit like the wind, my friend.

She has defended it on Sly News in Makerfield tonight alongside Anna Botting and the Sly News political editor, Beth Rigby. Let's watch together. You've caused quite a Ferrari as you know yourself today by suggesting that England's football team need to keep winning to stop cases of domestic violence from going through the roof. I mean, people like Carol Vorderman, who actually wrote to the women of Makerfield. As did I actually.

Did you? Yes, I wrote back. There we go. That's very much. We'll talk about that in a moment. But, you know, what were you thinking by saying that? And why not, you know, you've put the onus on footballers to stop domestic violence against women and not the abusers themselves? I mean, there's been such a big reaction to this. I think that that's a leap too far.

My point was very clear, and that is that the statistics back up exactly what I say. And sadly, when something like women, England lose a football match. The reality is that women that are on the end of domestic violence suffer dreadfully. And let me just tell you that I was 20 years as a magistrate dealing with domestic violence. And I've been on endless training courses with the police. And they will show you the spikes in their callouts when something like a big football match is on. And, you know, something like the England team Dutwin.

My point, of course, is not about, you know, of course we all want England to win, and it's wonderful that they won last night. But I am wanting to raise awareness, as I take every opportunity to do, of the poor women that do suffer such bad domestic violence. And can I say one more thing on it? You know, the Labour government, with their new changes to the Sentencing Act, that have just come in mean that often perpetrators of domestic violence won't go to prison. Okay.

Do you mind if we hear what you said? Okay, well, so you're not impressed by by the honour. So I tell you exactly what's happening here, right? And again, this is no disrespect to Sarah. Rupert has highlighted and has always been very, very verbal and around what's happened to thousands of girls in this country at the hands of Pakistani rape gangs. That's the first thing.

He has also been an absolute advocate for women's safety. He brought me in to be a spokeswoman for women and girls. He is absolutely, this is one of his main priorities, it has been one of the pinnacle parts of Restore's policies. What reform have done is said, oh, hold on a minute, the country seems to like this, the women seem to like this. We need to get one of our women to stand up and start talking about women's safety. They've got Sarah and they've put her in a situation and now they've made her go into this role and act as an ambassador for women and children. Now, I'm sure that she believes in these things, but she's got no passion. She's got no, she doesn't, you can see that she doesn't mean what she's saying.

She's like, oh, yeah, and domestic violence, blah, blah, so she's almost belittling the whole thing. Reform have got her and gone, right, you're a woman, Sarah, you can do it. That's what's happened. It's shambles. It's so utterly, I'm furious because I'm furious for Sarah because she's been put in this situation where she clearly is out of her depth and doesn't. know what she's doing. And then on the flip side, I'm furious that reformers looked and gone, do you know what? We're missing a trick here. We need to look at what's going on with women and women and girls in this country at the hands of illegal migrant men and with domestic violence

and with the rape gains going. We need to, oh, let's let's look like we'd give a shit because we don't. And they don't. And I know they don't. And I've said, and I'm getting really angry now and I'm sorry, I've said for months and months and months that they never ever took me up when I kept saying to them that this was one of the biggest issues in this country. And now they see that reform are doing, and Restore are doing it, and that Rupert is so behind this epidemic of race. So Robert Jenner finally jumped on board it today.

Correct, and now they've jumped on and they've given it to Sarah and gone, I'll say, you do it. What? It's an outrage. I'm annoyed with her and I'm annoyed with them. They're so disingenuous. It makes me want to be sick. I'm sorry.

I'm furious. Furious. And boys do matter. Yes, boys do matter. Absolutely. And I talk about... Because Brute Life 2, 3,1, 4 is just in on the Super Chat. Of course they do.

Why aren't you a spokesperson for women and children, do boys not matter? I'm a spokesperson. My title is women and girls, simply because of what's been happening in this country. But boys are terribly unrepresenting. Well, I would actually hope that Restore would do something that other parties haven't. Remember, one of the reasons that I was booted from GB News was because Lawrence Fox was advocating for there to be a minister for men. There has to be. because of the terrible suicide rates amongst men.

Okay, look, James, you are here to defend Reform UK tonight. Can you please at least try, okay? Because Ola has just chucked a bucket of shit over your head. I've got his knee in a clamp under the dead. Look, this campaign has been a disaster for Reform UK, hasn't it, James? Well, the Makerfield one. Well, if you're talking about the comments from Sarah, yes, of course. Well, no, I'm talking about Robert Kenyon.

I'm talking about the fact that all of a sudden you're not really backing the guy and you're pulling funding and you're just accepting he's going to lose. Was there proper vetting? I mean, I didn't have a problem with most of the stuff that he said, but Reform says, oh, we're so good without vetting. Some of the things you've said, James, did he?

Right. So about Robert Kenyon, well, what I'd say is, I'd agree with what Alla said about sorry, what's she called, Rachel Shepard? Rebecca. Sorry, Rebecca Shepard. This is how good a politician I am.

I know these things. Yeah, so Rebecca Shepard, is she media savvy? Okay, no. Is Robert Kenyon? No. Does it really matter these days? I mean, as you were saying,

if they, you know, if they're just standing to be a, sorry, not just, if they are standing to be a counsellor or a MP rather than the head of a party, then no, why speak to the press? You don't need to. I mean, I do.

Look, there are leaders and there are followers, right? And there are people like myself and Connor and you, to a certain extent, James, when you've done your research. But there are people that naturally can stand up and they can stand to the scrutiny of the press and of social media, etc. There are some people that can't, right, or don't want to. And that's absolutely their prerogative. Ultimately, it is a savage, toxic game to get.

into we know that you get absolutely annihilated you get crucified no matter what you do you can't win no matter which side of the fence you sit on but the point is i have seen rebecca i saw her in the street people beeping waving saying hello coming over to her she knew people's names she went into the pub that's all that matters because tomorrow it will be fish and chip paper the newspapers we'll forget it we'll move on to the next drama and if she wins she will then be in a position where she has to deliver for Makerfield and Andy Burnham will not deliver for Makerfield he will be on the first train down to London

to challenge Starma, right? Now, but again... I think that's the one thing we can all agree on that. Okay, well look, do stand by. We're going to be back to Connor Thomanson and Alla Minnie Hayne shortly. Plus we'll have much more of James Bambridge from Reform UK later in the night.

Maybe he needs to go and get a little bit of briefing about how Reform are going to defend themselves tonight because not sure that was the greatest. of starts in terms of doing that. But we have Lauren the insider in Makerfield. And earlier in the day, this is what happened when she visited Labor HQ. I'm told this is astonishing stuff.

Let's watch together. And we are outside the Labour Party HQ in Makerfield. So let's go and find out what people are saying. I have a feeling we might not be that welcome here. people, I mean, it blows my mind. There are people that are proud to vote Labour. They've got it on their cars. They've got badges.

But none of them seem to have much to say about the work that Rupert Lowe has done when it comes to safeguarding children. Let's not forget, Rupert Lowe has done this because everyone else, on you go, not bothered. Everyone else in positions of power have failed them. Let's go. So I am going to see how many people I can talk to. We may not be welcome, but let's have a look. I mean, good grief with everything we've seen about Labor. Can you imagine there's still people?

Can I talk to you, sir? Are you voting Labour? Yes, I am. Why? What's wrong with you, Popit? Pop it. Pop it? He said that's a nice patronising word, but, you know, I'm only working with what I've got.

Let's have a look. Right. Said who? But it's not illegal for me. It's, I've checked. Okay, we'll just get someone from the comms team to come out to you anyway. Are we not allowed? If you don't vote Labor, you're not allowed here. No, we'll just get someone from the comments team to mine. But why aren't I allowed? Why did you tell me I wasn't?

But you told me I wasn't allowed here. Yeah, we just haven't been letting press down. That's what I've been told today. Right. Hello, would you like to talk to me about why you voted Labor? Has anyone read the independent inquiry from Rupert Lowe? Anyone wants to talk? Hello, do you want to talk? You voted Labor. Thank you very much. You voted Labour.

I'm not old enough to vote. Right. You voted? No, you're not old enough. You voted Labour? Introduce yourself and arrange things with the Com's Office. No. Oh, right. If you want to speak to people then, you need to just be out on the public path because this is private land and there's under 18s for filming. Under 18s? Well, we'll wait here then.

You need to be out on public path because this is past someone's driveway. Who owns this land? I could go over there then. Right. So is it illegal for me if I'm not a Labour supporter? to be here. We've asked everyone to accredit. So have you accredited? Well, you're actually not laying independent media in. So we've seen...

Yeah. I'm sorry, how do you... Because I did... Yeah, we did try, and it's only legacy media that have been given access. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, I'm literally just hearing this now. In which case, it would be great just because we've got children around. If you wouldn't mind filming, out on the public highway, that would be brilliant.

Right. Well, we're not getting children in... I'm glad you mentioned children, actually. because have you read Rupert Lowe's recent inquiry? So if you could just pop out and film that way, that would be brilliant for me, just because we're a little bit concerned. That's my main thing. Oh, I'm going to stand there and then we won't get any children.

Okay, can I just go and check who's around? Is that right? Absolutely, no worries. Well, this is going well, so we are very unwelcome here, but I will not let that deter me, so I'm going to continue. Hello, you voted Labour. Can I ask why? I'm not a voter here. Oh, right.

You're wearing a vote, Andy? Yes, but that's because it came up here to campaign because it's really, really important that Andy Burnham gets elected here. Okay. Can you tell me why it's important? I'd rather not speak on camera, sorry. Can I ask, have you read the independent Rupert Lowe inquiry? No. Okay, did you know that a minimum of 250,000 children have been failed?

And Andy Burnham played a part in that. They've never got anything to say. When you go back to the facts, they've never got anything to say. And this is the problem. We've got people here that still don't know how many failures there are across the country because of the likes of Labour. Let's try someone else, shall we? Would you like to speak?

Could I ask you why you voted Labor? Just here by the balloons? But I believe the Labour is the only party who can leave the nation. And what makes you say that? I strongly believe. But I have seen the Labour Party years and years, if you go back, 100 years go back, look at the history of the Labour Party. And always when you make your decision for the future,

you have to keep in mind what good thing, the good policies and but good policies Labour has implemented in the past years. The Labour is doing well, of course. We believe in labour. We don't think that any other party have that kind of policy. which can be equally implemented, which can reflect the whole nation. And what are these policies that you're referring to? If you look back, I can just like to remind you, recall you maybe,

minimum wage the labour has done. NHS is a labour baby. We introduce the NHS frontline service. And if you look at the tuition fees, there's a lot of things for pensioners, for disabled, for single mothers, for free school meals. I've been as a governor, we've been on the schools. There's a good thing which address the local needs of the ordinary voters. Do you understand that there's also a lot of anger from people

because of the mass exploitation and failure of British children? And we have seen the Labour Party. Labour councils play a huge role in that. And where do you stand on that? Because obviously you must feel incredibly let down by the Labour Party. No, I think that's not true. That's really not true what you said earlier on. Sorry, which part isn't true? No, what you said, the exploitation of the children, right?

You said the labour has done. I don't believe it's a labour. It's not only one party should be responsible for this. There are many. The Tory was 14 years. They were ruling this country. So I think this question you should be asking to them. But we are talking about the Prime Minister now and the Labour Party that are in power. Kirstalma voted against a national inquiry into the grooming gangs.

I struggle to see how anyone could support a party that doesn't put safeguarding children at the forefront. As a governor, I believe I was a lead safeguard lead governor, right? The children's safeguarding issue is very, very important and a very sensitive issue. I do believe that. But I cannot say what the government has done. And if you're saying... No, you won't be able to. They haven't. They haven't done anything.

That's the thing. No, no. No, no. I will not going to say anything on that. But I believe this government has a priority for the children, for the young children, for single mothers. We're doing a lot of things at the moment. Even this free school meal has been just introduced again, right?

I agree, but I also think what's a free school mill when you've got Andy Burnham, who, if you listen to the survivors' testimonies, has failed so many of them. So this is where we see people like Rupert Lowe, when they're standing up against the establishment, they get smeared, which is wild. That's the government issue. I don't want to comment on that. There's a government issue with the government official, the government ministers.

I'm not in the part of the government. I'm just an orderly member of the party. But I feel I've been working for the Labour Party for three decades, and I know what I have done. I'm a former councillor. We have introduced so many good policies for the local residents. other people are happy. But you know, this is the policy of the government, which I will not be able to comment because I'm not part of the government. I understand that. But any, any policies can't stand up when you've had councils and police and government and everyone collude together.

As I said, I'm just ordinary member. I'm not going into depth of this, the government role, right? So it's better you can ask this question, the person who is in the government role. They can be able, they will be able to, better able to explain to you. I'm ordinary member. I'm proud to be member, I'm proud to be a Labour Party, British Labour Party member, and I believe in its values, and that's why I'm here to support Andy Burnham. I know Andy Burnham can change things. Okay. Thank you for your time and respectfully, I can assure you all watching Andy Burnham will not save the country. He will not help us at all. This is the problem. We have people here that rely on legacy media. They are being fed lies and these are the very people that

still don't know the incredible work. that Restore have done. The mind boggles. Wow, Lauren, absolutely incredible scenes from Labor HQ. Much more of that coming up. But Lauren joins us now live from Makerfield. Two big pieces of news, Lauren. Firstly, the turnout has been confirmed at 58.75% and Rupert Lowe has just spoken out in the past few seasons.

seconds posting on X, a very important night for our party. Restore Britain must now be treated as a serious national political party. Posters must prompt us and the media must give us a fair hearing. We are here to stay. Lauren, how's that going down and make a field? Well, I tell you what, it is so quiet here. We can't find anyone, Dan. Even stand up to racism have gone and they turn up to anything. So it is very, very quiet. I think people are very threatened here because there is change.

Change is coming and that is what restore, as well as reform, you know, pose to this area. Andy Burnham is never going to change anything and you saw in that clip as well. There are some people that are, they're not living on the same planet as us.

These people genuinely think Andy, Burnham can solve the problem. So I have met some very strange people today and what I have learned from being on the ground is that there is a lot of support for restore. Some people feel that it is too early for restore and that has come from some of the reformers. I do wish they would change their names. Why did they have to go for two similar names? It gets very confusing. But we are seeing a lot of reformers say that they really, really like Rupert Lowe and they will put their weight behind him. They feel it's very early. But nothing can stop this because once people realize, and this is what's happened with Restore, we the people, we have the power, we are not those 99% working

donkeys that just get our newspaper anymore and believe what's written in it. And so this is a really really big day. And we will see legacy media try and smear anything on the right, particularly Rupert Lowe. And we saw that at the weekend with the Mel on Sunday's front page. And it's not going anywhere, but I would say, especially as someone that, like you, Dan, we know the mainstream inside out. The very fact we are seeing these smears and the fake news come out about Rupert Lowe. This shows you that the establishment are panicking because Restore are the only party that the establishment can't control. I would personally argue that reform a controlled opposition. And so what Restore are doing is absolutely huge.

It cannot be underestimated that Rupert Lowe, what he has done is incredible. It has been such a short amount of time. and obviously the mainstream media, they want to create negative headline after negative headline. But what we have seen with his independent inquiry is who stands, you know, with a moral compass, because that's what it comes down to. And this has come up time and time again. People are shocked with this inquiry. And there isn't the connection that Farage has with people like Rupert,

Lowe has. And many people have said he's almost like the grandfather of the nation, someone there to actually look after us because every other party seems to work against us. Indeed, Lauren, the insider on the street of Makerfield do keep us posted. So we're back in the studio now with our election night analyst, Connor Tomlinson, Russell Quirk of Reform UK and UK Live and Alla Minnie Hain of Restore Britain. So, Aula, this is a. This is a. a huge statement from Rupert Lowe just released. A very important night for our party. He says, Restore Britain must now be treated as a serious national political party.

Posters must prompt us and the media must give us a fair hearing. We are here to stay. That is a mission statement and clearly he is confident that the vote tonight justifies that, which means I guess you're certainly not losing the deposit you'd imagine. Yeah, well, I hope not. Look, I said after the weekend, you know, there are, yes, there are a lot of people that said that they were going to vote reform. And they said they will vote reform this time. But if there was a general election in two years' time, they would vote for restore.

So my our view, obviously, was why would you do that? Vote with your heart and mind now. So we'll see how that works out. But ultimately, look, it's four and a half months old this party. Okay. We have not been around very long. We have had no media coverage. We're not even acknowledged on polls.

None of us are invited on any of the programs, even GB News, which is the People Station, apparently, or whatever the strap line is. So we have done this absolutely from grassroots movements, from social media, from word of mouth. We are the party that reform promised to be, simple as that. And we are not going anywhere, contrary to what Russell's. said earlier. Well, Russell, this is interesting, isn't it? Because actually, let's talk about the

specifics of this. It is after this result going to be much harder for, for example, the British Bashing Corporation to exclude Restore Britain. After they did that, on question time, I've been watching news report after news report after news report where they say, well, Restore Britain didn't want to give us an interview. Well, Restore Britain is a factor in this race. And they didn't want to give them an interview because they were excluded from the question time special. That could have changed the course of this race. Now, I know you're going to say it wouldn't have happened, but just imagine Rebecca Shepard had gone on, had knocked it out of the park, actually all of a sudden she could have been challenging Andy Burnham. So do you

agree with Rupert Lowe saying you've got to start treating Restore Britain seriously? I mean, even on UK Live, you're going to have to start getting Restore Britain guests. I have no issue whatsoever with Restore having a platform. You know, I'm one of those old fashion types when it comes to freedom of speech. No, you are. So, Restore being on UK live, the Mike Graham show, GV News, Talk TV. I'm all good with that. I think debate is healthy. I think competition is healthy.

But I guess, look, you'd have to kind of turn your attention, though, to why the likes of Rebecca was not allowed to speak to the media. She was allowed. Before we start trumpeting, you know, the fact that the likes of Rebecca should be allowed to speak. I mean, Rupert Lowe and his handler, Alistair, would not let That's absolute nonsense. What happened all?

We saw the video. The video of the guy from the telegraph, let me tell you exactly what happened. The night before I was in a bar in Ashton, in the main high street, the telegraph guy came over to me and said to me, I have asked Alistair and I've asked Rupert for an interview. They've told me that I need to sign up

and I need to put my, you know, basically put my slot in because tomorrow is a very busy day. Can you help me? And I said, no, do what you're told. He said, well, I'm just going to chance my arm. I said, fine. So he goes into town the next day, and he goes and he pushes his luck and he tries to get an interview.

And Alistice said, no, I told you to get your slot in like everybody else and we will do a proper interview with you. And he didn't. So then it's been twisted and made to look like she can't talk. That's absolute nonsense. But all the politicians should. She's not a politician. She's trying to be.

She's trying to be. So she's as good as a politician on the basis that she's put herself out there to be a politician. Just in case, just in case people on the street get fucked popped. I'll let you come back, Russell. I just think some people may not have seen the video. And you know I always just like to be transparent. I'm actually going to show it. So this is David Curtin's post of it.

He's the Heritage Party leader. He said there is something very odd about Restore Britain. They make a feel candidate Rebecca Shepard declined to speak to the telegraph. Then Rupert Lowe seems to ask permission from his handler to let her answer a question, who again refuses permission for her to speak. This is what happened. My name's Peter. I'm reporter at telegraph.

I was talking to, we're not doing that again. Talking to Rupert earlier. Not one question. Rebecca, we just get one question, one question, Rebecca. Is that all right? Are you sure? Are you sure? Can Rebecca do one interview or not?

We said to... Go on, Rupert, just one. What did she make of that, Connor? Dalf move? Just let it talk. Seriously. Again, I agree. Look, I'm going to get in trouble there. She was signed up with various interviews and then turn them down last minute.

And it's because she is not that much of a polished speaker. I mean, she's quite besie. from the door, people like her, it's credible on women's safety and things like that. But when it comes to actually talking to the press, she's nowhere near as rhetorically sharp as Rupert is. And so I think there was a concern that that would be liability. But in that specific instance, I mean, all is correct. But in other instances, I do know for a fact that she was signed up for interviews and I decided against it. Can I just step in, Conner, and I totally agree with you. And I just want to, I just want to point out

something. That woman has been absolutely annihilated, annihilated by the media, by reform by labor, by everybody, right now. We are, we are supposed to be a decent, civil, democratic society. We have said to people, please stand up and put yourself forward to serve your community and serve your people. Please put yourself forward as, you know, as people who are business owners, normal people. And then what we do is we annihilate them and assassinate them and make, you know, and then we talk about being kind and mental health and, you know, showing people. What a load of tosh, right? This, woman has stood up, she's put herself forward, she's never done this before, neither is

your man, Robert, but he has got experience as being a counsellor. She stood up and said, Jay, do you know what? And he ran at the last election too. I'm going to put myself forward and I'm going to do what I think is right for my people. And then she has been crucified. Hang on. I'm sorry. You have, we have to get to a point where we show a level of respect to people that stand up. But in fairness, Robert Kenyon's been utterly crucified. He has both of them. And still speaks to the media. But that. Hang on. She, she was. She was. But Russell did that help the campaign? She was only asked a question by the telegraph.

She wasn't asked to recite the Koran. No, she wasn't. Why can't she, as she's walking down the street, clearly has lots of time on her handler. I mean, she wasn't running for a bus. Why can't the telegraph ask the candidate for parliamentary office? They can. They can ask her a question.

Clearly not. No, they can. Can I just say one thing as well? It's very disrespectful to refer to Alistair as the handler. Okay? He's not the handler. He's not. He's not.

He's a chief of stuff. He was annoyed. Alistair is a very firm man. He will not tolerate nonsense. He will not tolerate disrespect. He told his boss what to do. No. He was telling Ruperlowe.

Who's running restore? Is it Alist or is it Rupert Lowe? Well, I would say, who's running reform? Nigel Farage. Nigel Farage. 100% as he's very evident. Of course he is. What?

You are saying Zee Yusuf is running, are you saying to Eusuf is running reform UK? Do you know what I don't care of. That is the implication. That is the implication. All general. We don't know. But anyway, the point being a team. It's a team.

Of course it. Anyway, my point being this, right? A team of rivals. Right. The point being that Alistair has said to said man at the telegraph, you need to put yourself in the queue and he didn't. Conner, Thomas, we have discussed this on outspoken Connor before and we have said, yes, Rebecca Shepherd should be doing more. There is a counter argument to all of this though, which is that the mainstream media have been completely despicable over the course of this campaign. I mean, the telegraph the next day ran a story suggesting that restores. Britain was being funded by white supremacist because one man, Steve Laws, had given one donation

to the party, unprompted on X. So is there not an argument that actually the mainstream media in this country, Connor, is so corrupted, actually Restore Britain is better just not speaking to these assholes. On the grounds of the Telegraph, I did see Camilla Tomine and Tim Stanley complaining that Rupert had not gone on the daily tea, despite Camilla Tomine, you know, calling the rather derogatory nickname. And originally he was... Hoopit, she called it. Yeah, and he originally was booked on a... Who's who put now? She's begging for him!

He was originally booked on a Monday, I think it was about two weeks ago, but then he had to turn it down because he had to go and read out Survivor Testim, and he's at the rape gang debate in Parliament, so I think that's a fairly good reason to turn it down, but she decided to bury that in like paragraph four of her article complaining he didn't go on, which I don't think was fair. So it is possible that certain outlets may be not high on their list to visit if you're just going to be rude about them. That being said, though, Emily Maitlis wasn't exactly the most cheerful customer when

Rupert went on the newsagents. And it was legendary. Yeah, and it was legendary. So you should actually be engaging with hostile media because you should have the courage of you can be. I'm doing it now. And by the way, Russell, a, Russell, a, Oh, you start in love. A three on one. Three on one. Bring it on boys and girls. I'm completely independent. You know that. A restore Britain source, though, has just hit back at you, Russell, saying, you're wrong about Rebecca. She was a branch manager who stepped up. She is a, a brave woman who is not a politician yet still stepped up to help restore Britain in her community.

That is brave. She should not be targeted. When after tonight's results, she's still not going to be a politician. Okay, well, I just want to talk about some of the figures that are coming in, as we can see now, the live count which is taking place. So we do have a bit more information. The turnout in the make of field by election, 58.75%. That is actually up from 52.4% at the general election. That is pretty incredible. It shows the massive attention in this race. That is 45,510 votes for those wondering.

Pretty fascinating, isn't it? 45,510 votes that are going to determine the future of our country politically. Charlie Simpson, the good young independent journalist, is also reporting that he has heard from a conservative source that they believe they have secured between 1.5 and 2% in the Makerfield by-election. Now, Kevin Edgar has replied He's a conservative activist. It's a solid Labour seat.

Not a surprise. Many Tories have also learned their votes. But look, you guys, well, no, you'll laugh. I mean, that's not funny. Sorry, but there's a higher rate of gonorrhea transmission at Tory Party. Look, can we not mock the afflicted, please? No, but the thing is, the thing is, what it does say, right,

is it does show. It does. And it shows that, wow, right, let's put aside our differences, what has happened to this country, The political... I'm just going to interrupt. I'm just going to interrupt because this is interesting. Rupert Lowe is speaking live now on GB News.

Let's listen in. Why, that's going to ask us. This country in two years, they're complete charlatans. The front bench has no idea what it's doing. They have no idea of the consequences of the legislation they're passing, of the taxes that they're effectively levying

on an increasingly small, productive Britain, which is being taxed into, oblivion to fund an increasingly inefficient state, which now accounts far too much of GDP. So I don't think it makes any difference. Labour 1, Labor 1, a landslip election victory on a very low turnout, on a very low share of the vote, right? So they've got a big overall majority, and a lot of those Labour MPs will be one-term MPs because Labour is not going to get re-elected again.

It doesn't matter whether Starmer's running the party, whether the ghostbuster, Burnham's running the party, where the streetings running the party, they're all Fabian sort of fools, as I call them, the whole lot of them. So they don't know what they're doing, and the British public can see that. So they're not going to win another general. They're not labouring. And have you read our rape gang report which came out on Tuesday? I have not. Well, you should read it, because that puts into context the failures of the Labour Party, which have allowed the evil to be perpetrated on the most vulnerable people. in our society for the last 30, 40 or 50 years,

and it goes to the root of power and elections and votes over principles. So you should read it. But it's easy to say from the wings, is it? And so should everybody in the country. But it's easy to say from the wings that Labor has failed. How would restore succeed?

What would you do to succeed? Well, if you read the policy documents that we're producing, which we're putting on our website, have you read our policy document on mass deportations? Have you read those? Have you read any of our policy documents? I have not, but many of our views might not have either.

Why not? They're on our website. I'm sure they are, but just tell us for our view it at home. You have to be able to read quite a long document and actually concentrate for long enough to take it in. But yes, we are producing documents on everything from mass deportations to, we explain why it isn't possible at the moment, how we put that right and then how we deal with it. and we get rid of people who are arriving illegally, living here illegally,

foreign criminals in our prisons. It's all been written down so people can analyse it, question it and challenge it, okay? Same. Big economic paper coming out. Big paper coming out on defence. There are big papers the way to vote? That's the most important thing. You have to have a plan.

You ask me what we're going to do. We are going to have policy plans which will show people what we intend to do and how we intend to change. the way the country is governed. And it's not being governed very well at the moment. That's the problem. And there's no accountability. And you think just final word and you think restore the ones

to restore Britain, I suppose? At the moment, we've got a fantastic team of people who are working very hard. And if we get a significant vote, a party that's less than four months old to get a significant vote in a national election will be a tremendous result. And I think it's a credit to all my team, to Rebecca Shepard, We won all the county council elections in Norfolk.

You could have halved every vote and we'd have still won. We won a borough council election. And we're intent on taking control of local councils, particularly where I'm an MP in Norfolk, and then hopefully nationally in 29 we can take control. Because if we don't get controlled by 29, I don't think the prospects for this country are very good. And I think the British people can see that now.

So we have had incredible encouragement from everybody we talked to in Maker Field. field. And not any of that, the encouragement we got from what we did in Norfolk was incredible. So I think let's look at what we've achieved and I'm not worried about what we do with regard to anybody else. Nobody owns any vote. Every vote is up for grabs. And if the British people want to vote for me or want to vote for reform, want to vote for Labor, that's up to them. Not up to you or me. Well, the polls will tell. Thank you for your time. We'll see the poll is tonight. We're going to see what the poll is. The results will come. Thank you for your time.

2%, but I think we'll get more than that. Oh, that's a big, I'll hold you to that. Thank you for your time. Oh, do you know what? That's actually a really significant moment. And what I love about our outspoken election night is we are actually going to dip in and dip out if the mainstream media

are doing something interesting. And that is really interesting to me because, you know, I'm a bit of a watcher of what's going on at GB News. I know the personalities involved. And for Rupert Lowe to be given a live platform, like that, Connor, on election night, is a decision that, trust me, will utterly infuriate Nigel Farage, a shareholder in the station.

And what has just happened there is GB News Management saying, you know, we can't be 24-7 propaganda for Reform UK anymore. Because you're losing viewers. And you're a force. You're an actual force. And again, what's really interesting to me, too, Connor, is that this. This is Rupert playing Nigel's old game. It would be Nigel who would have turned up to the count of a vote that he wasn't going to win. Now, I would be very surprised if we see Nigel Farage at the Makerfield count today, and

I'd be very surprised if we see Nigel Farage doing any interviews. There are inconsistent reports on whether or not he's left, reformer denying that. I would think he would give the count a wide buff and get Rupert low, sidles up next to him and goes, hello, only meant to be cellmates, you know. But clearly Rupert was really enjoying that. I mean, he has this sort of, um, Trump. or even Putin-esque way of speaking where he just barrels past the people's questions, just says, like, this is what I want to say.

You can wait your turn, actually. And I think he handled that very, very well. And it's good for GV News' viewers, some of whom have been taking to the YouTube comments to express their disdain of Rupert's absence from the channel, to get a few minutes of him live. Yeah, I mean, it is supposed to be a right-wing channel, right? Not just a reform channel. And actually, I've spoken to Susan, Susan Hall and various other people at conservative,

and obviously based on the result tonight, who have also said, we don't get a look in. So that's not good either. But can I just point out that I have to say, and I know the reporter that was there, how awful that you are in the, you work for a news channel and you haven't read the document. I mean, that is shameful. I'll let her away with the fact that she hasn't read policies. No, it's terrible. But that is absolutely shocking.

The rape gang and quote. But unfortunately, what I do know, Russell, and while obviously this benefits you as a Reform UK politician, there is. real negativity within GB News and talk TV towards Restore Britain and that does spread down and what you're seeing is I think that woman's name I'm pretty sure her name is

Sophie Reaper she's quite a senior reporter for them and I think it is pretty astonishing that she hasn't read a word of the rape gang inquiry if I'm honest well I don't know her obviously I still do GB News in fact I'm doing Patrick Christie's show tomorrow 1911 send in my regards

yes I'm clearly not involved, nor would I want to be involved in the backroom politics of what happens in a TV channel with regard to who goes on and who doesn't. I don't know anything about that. I'm more concerned, to be honest, Dan, that you've had a two-quid super chat that asks if Russell Quirky's sniffing glue. Russell, I wasn't going to read that one. I feel so bad. And that they've spelt my name wrong. Now, I'm more concerned that they've only put one L in Russell. How dare you?

Okay, look, there is an interesting mainstream media thing going on, though. And I want to show you something really interesting that I had noticed, too, but Nick Dixon has. pulled this together. And what I think it shows is that there is a disconnect happening at the moment between the mainstream media and what they are trying to spread about Restore Britain and actually how the readers or how the viewers of said publicational broadcaster feel about Restore Britain. So Nick Dixon did a bit of work on this and it was in regards to this article from the Daily Telegraph. You probably saw it. White supremacists with links to ban neo-Nazi groups are helping to fund Restore Britain. Well, he did some work and said the talent

Appearthage appears to be wildly out of touch with its readers on Restore Britain. The comments overwhelmingly say no party can keep track of every member and that the article reads like a Guardian hit piece. Now, I'd done a very similar thing when I read this article last week. I'm like, oh, there's 3,400 comments. I want to go in. And let's just read some of them. These are Daily Telegraph paid subscribers. Really poor article Daily Telegraph. just a hit piece prior to the by-election.

Tell me, have you vetted all subscribers to the Daily Telegraph? They do help to fund you, so I'm sure you wouldn't want to operate double standards. Neil Farrelly said the Telegraph is funded by white supremacist. Prove otherwise. Have you vetted every subscriber? Come on. You want to claim the moral high ground, pathetic excuse for a journalist. Smug Asa Kiwi said, am I reading The Guardian? Strangely, I never read articles about David Paulden.

That's Zach Pallanski, by the way. weird, almost as though the Sharia-compliant Green Party doesn't exist. Ed Logan, this article would be more suited to the mirror than the telegraph. It's full of the usual left-wing tropes and syntax. Phil Mood. The cowardly tyrant Neeler will love this article. The rest of us know the far right doesn't exist outside a tiny number of immature attention seekers spouting their venom from the safety of a bedroom in their parents' house.

Britain has a far-left problem. The far right is policed very officially. And then Steve Sitterway said, dead telegraph sensor. You can keep dishing out. The comment has been removed. I can keep reposting it. This article is foolish and ill-informed. It is a slew of ridiculous notice. Nonsense. The telegraph should be ashamed of posting such one-sided rubbish. The scribblings of a typical liberal progressive London media hack. Rainer should be ashamed of penning this, quite frankly. I do not support Restore or Tommy Robinson, but this is biased, one-sided exposure and it has all the usual

far left anti-reform will restore tropes in it. Real name is Stephen, Jackson, Lemon, Lenin, white supremacist, far right. In other words, anyone who doesn't love Antifa, BLM, unbounded inward immigration, woke ideology is the white supremacist.

Well, here's another subscription, gone to the wall telegraph. If I want to read moronic drivel, I'll subscribe to the Guardian. And so my point of going through those comments, Connor, is just to say, actually the mainstream media, I think, are facing a backlash

from their customers. And eventually you can't keep ignoring your customers. Well, they know the standard isn't fair because the other parties aren't held to the same standard of just auditing your membership and trying to cancel them for what private citizens say perfectly lawfully online. And also, anyone can just say anything to try and look like they can bring the party into disrepute.

If you try and put that standard forward, I wouldn't want that standard used on anyone else. And I think when parties have policed their own membership internally, like the Conservatives, it's gone disastrous because you just surround yourself with a cadre of yes men that just double down on the policies that end up destroying your electoral your electoral chances. See them barely getting even 2% in this by-election. The worst and most egregious one, and I know you spoke to the young chap, Dan, a couple of days ago, was the Daily Mail's

two-day front pages on a 19-year-old activist, doxing his name where he lives, and also then getting him sat from his job and causing some pretty sour turmoil with his family, because obviously, you know, if your son's on the front page of national newspaper for two days, you get particularly worried. They laundered smears and said the Angloid and then also Callum Barker, Lion of Epping, you've got to say his title every time you say it, it's mandatory. They said, oh, these were hard neo-Nazi and white supremacists. They put those in quotes.

They never attributed the quotes. When you track down the quotes, it turns out it's from a stand-up to racism activist quoted in a byline Times article, who then recycled the smear from a counterfire article from Georgetown University that had to be retracted because they confused Callum with another Callum Barker from Combat 18 from the 1990s. Callum's 23. So he's not... Oh, 22.

Oh, there you go. He's aging poor. He's already not him then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They already retracted it. So the Daily Mail decided to perpetuate this smear to attack two young lad to have done nothing but deliver leaflets for a lawfully registered democratic political party.

Probably because, again, they feel that they're another hand on the Ming Vars, or whichever political project, they would prefer to see Shepard into Downing Street, and because they think they're going to make plenty of money from their preferred candidate getting in, And I just don't think young lad's reputation should be the casualty in it. Shouldn't people be more concerned that restores being funded by the Conservative Party? They're not being funded by a Tory peer of £20,000? This is brother. That's wrong one. All right.

So there's no funding of Restore by the Conservatives. No. There's all myth, is it. Yeah, no, it is. No, genuine, there is no Tory back. Again, I've, my friend is. And I find this absolutely bizarre. You keep reading things about, oh, Rupert's a Tory, Rupert's Tory, the Tories.

But he was a Tory. Everybody was a Tory? Hang on, 30 years. Everyone was a Tory. Everybody was a Tory when Tories were Tories, when there was only two parties. Zee was still a Conservative member when he became chairman of reform.

Can I just say Robert Jenrick, Swell and Braverman, and Nadine? He's okay in reform aren't because of the whole conservative thing. No, no, no. I'm an ex-conservative. But you weren't responsible for the Boris wave. That's what most were still members are. I mean, come on, Rupert left the Conservative

label applies to many of us. Not long after Margaret Thatcher had been deposed as Prime Minister. The difference is whether you spell it with a capital C or a small C. I'm a proud small C conservative. There's nothing left to conserve. No, no, but you know, you wouldn't want to be a member of the conservative party with a big C. I banned.

But we're not conservatives, aren't we? This is very interesting. Sly News has also spoken to Rupert Lowe at the Makerfield count. This is going to be great fun. Do you think they all made appointments to all this point? Probably. In advance. Otherwise, they would speak to the media.

They're not campaigning, aren't they? So this is John Crankment. Craig, he is live at the count, and he is speaking to Rupert Lowe. This is going to be fun. Well, I think she's done extremely well. I don't know what the result is yet, but, you know, we're here. We're, what, less than four months old? We were told we'd get about 2%.

I think we're going to comfortably outdo that. And I think it's time we were on the national polls as a proper party. And, of course, what you could be doing here, of course, is helping Mr. Burnham a defeat his reform opponents. Well, we'll see what happens. We don't know the outcome yet, but in a democratic election, you put yourself up as a candidate and you say what you're going to do and you let people vote for you.

That's democracy. Are you saying that's the wrong way of carrying out democracy? Oh, we can't hear that. Could you hear that? Can't, didn't it? No. Let's try and get back to Rupert Lowe. What do you think about the fact that Sly News is speaking to him, too, Russell?

Well, as I said earlier on, I think it's great. I'm not sure Sky are going to get the response that they would particularly like, but they might want to put some better journalists out if you want to catch out politicians like Rupert and indeed Nigel and Zia. It's not going to go very, very well for the MSM, is it really? What did you make of that, Connor? I agree with Russell. I mean, the worst place you can probably put Rupert Lowe in

if you want to try and contain his responses as a live broadcast. regulated media with a hostile interviewer. I mean, it's not going to go well for you. Okay, we are going to just try and listen to that. Once more, let's give it another go, because I think it is important to hear what conversation is taking place between Silenews and Rupert Lowe, but we will wait for that in one. Well, I think she's done extremely well.

I don't know what the result is yet, but, you know, we're here. we're what less than four months old we were told we'd get about 2% I think we're going to comfortably outdo that and I think it's time we were on the national polls as a proper party and of course what you could be doing here of course

is helping Mr Burnham defeat his reform opponents well we'll see what happens we don't know the outcome yet but in a democratic election you you put yourself up as a candidate and you say what you're going to do and you let people vote for you. That's democracy. Are you saying that's the wrong way of carrying out democracy? No, I'm not expressing a view, but...

Well, you sounded like you might be. No, no, I'm putting the questions to you. How would you feel, though, if by damaging reform UK, you help a Labour candidate and Mr. Burnham win here? Well, as you're aware, I drove a lot of reform support until Nigel politically assassinated me, so I think you should ask him why he did that. That's probably the question, isn't he?

A lot of people confused. You just used the phrase he politically assassinated. We tried to, he didn't. What happened? Why did you two fall out? I don't know. I didn't fall out. He basically booted me out of the party and false witness statements were made and police took my guns away and the whole thing was it was a mess. And then subsequently he's admitted the reason he got rid of me.

He didn't like my views on mass deportation. So he tried to edit a couple of my speeches. I honestly don't know why he did what he did. You'll have to ask him that. So I didn't fall out with him. It was his decision. It was a one-way deal. The fact is, it looks to all of us out on the outside, like a feud between you. And here you are, standing against him.

There's no feud. There's no feud. I've just got on and set up my own structure, a movement to start with. We set the party up in end of February, so we're less than four months old. We swept the board in Norfolk with the county council elections where we were told we'd get 1%. You could have halved all our votes and we'd still have won. And I think there's a vast movement of people who want to see change in the country, and they think that we offer that opportunity. So look, all I do is sit on the Public Accounts Committee, I speak the truth in Parliament,

and I am what I am. I'm not anything that you don't see. So I am what you see, and I'm just getting on with doing what I was elected to do by my wonderful constituency, Great Yarmouth. You say you sit on the Public Accounts Committee. I'm told that that was a deal between you and Geoffrey. Clifton Brown, the Tory chairman, who is the MP for where you live in the Cotswold? No, there was no deal. I was asked to sit on it because, as you probably know, I've got

20 years experience in the city of London. I'm probably compared with most people in Parliament, qualified both financially and in running businesses, which I've set up and run for many years now, and I still have them. So unlike most people in Parliament, I've actually had real life experience. And I think if you watch what I do on the Public Accounts Committee, I'm able to draw on that experience to hold a very deficient civil service to account, which is wasting vast amounts of taxpayers' money, which they shouldn't be doing. If it turns out that you taking votes away from Reform UK hands victory to Mr. Burnham. Well, reform might be taking votes from me.

You know, who knows? Do votes belong to reform? A split on the... Do you think votes... belong to reform? Are you saying they own them? No, I'm not saying that at all. A split on the right helps Mr. Burnham win, and he takes over for, he oust Sir Keir Stama. Is that something you'd like to see?

I don't know. It's too early to say what the result is. Maybe you've got a crystal ball and you know what the result's going to be. I don't. But I'm not worried about this vote splitting narrative, which may or may not have had some effect at the end of the campaign. I'm not interested in that. What I'm interested in democracy, and in a democracy, people vote for what they believe in. If you don't vote for what you believe in, you get the wrong outcome.

And I'm not interested, really. Labor, in my opinion, I'm not going to have a general election because they'll lose it, whoever's in charge. The ghostbuster Burnham, and good luck to him if he's won. I have to give him credit if he's won, this is a democratic election, and you have to pay credit to people who win. If they put themselves up and they stand in a democratic election, they win credit to them. But the fact of the matter is Labour have done immeasurable damage to the country in the last two years. They are not popular with the people.

They will not win the next election. Whoever's running it, whether it's Starma, whether it's streaking, whether it's Al-Karns, or indeed whether it's the Ghostbust of Vernon. So it doesn't make any difference. Labor are going to be there for the foreseeable future, doing more damage to the country, and the British public can see it. So I don't think you're rather sort of resellable. recidivist narrative holds any water whatsoever.

I'm asking questions here. You sound if you're making judgments. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just asking you questions. Why do you call Mr. Burnham the ghostbuster? Well, because he's been built up into this ghostbuster. In my view, he's not been a particularly successful politician. I don't think he's been a particularly successful mayor of Manchester, but he is an attempt, I think, by a failing party.

And if you read my rape gang inquiry, which came out, crowdfunded by 20,000 people on Tuesday. I don't know where the sky I've covered it. I haven't seen you cover it, but everyone should read it. It's absolutely vile what's been happening. And the Labour Party are right at the centre of it. And at that moment, surprise, surprise, Sly News wrapped up the interview.

This is why I think it is so good. Rupert Loebate Bean at the Count. Connor Thominson has just heard that Nigel Farage has left Makerfield. But Rupert doing it and I think he's killing it. I want to cross now to Steph the Alternerd, one of our favourite YouTubers who is being watching exactly what's going on tonight. Steph, what do you make of it? Finally, the mainstream media are unable to ignore our Roops.

It's interesting to see. It's interesting to see the interaction between mainstream media and Rupert Law. And as I was watching that bit from Sky News, I was literally like, yes, go on Rupert Law, Slay, Slay, Slay. He was taking no BS whatsoever. And he was calling them out. In the previous interview that he had with mainstream media

that he showed earlier on, he literally turned around and he was like, I'm going to call you out because you've not even read. the rape gang inquiry report? And then he calls out Sky News saying, I haven't even seen you cover the rape gang inquiry report that was crowdfunded by over 20,000 people. So, you know, stop talking about this rubbish,

about, you know, vote splitting, this, that and the other because that's all nonsense. Let's talk about, you know, the actual issues at hand, not vote splitting, but the rape gang inquiry, you know, vote on who you want. This is a democratic vote. No one's stealing votes from anyone. No one's splitting anywhere.

So stop with this focus on vote splitting and focus on something that actually matters. And it's prospects time. Do you think, Stiff, that there has been a change in the way that the mainstream media cannot just dismiss Rupert Lowe and restore Britain after tonight as a purely online phenomenon?

because, I mean, look, Steph, in some ways, people could say, you are purely online. You know, you are part of this new breed of the online right who has never come up through the mainstream media. I think that is absolutely brilliant. You are a fresh voice. You are speaking to people directly. But it doesn't mean that you are not living in our country, that you are not living in the real world. And that the reason young Brits are coming out in force and fighting back is because you are terrified about what you actually. see on the street every day in your country.

The fact that you happen to be pursuing your message online is almost irrelevant. Yeah, that's absolutely all true. And just to dismiss, restore Britain as just, you know, oh, it's an online phenomenon, you know, it's not really rooted in reality. So the mainstream media doesn't give a toss about the party is actually at their peril. because a couple of things. Firstly, for Makerfield, I did a little bit of research here and in the 2024 general election,

the turnout was at 52.5%. The turnout at this by-election in Makerfield is at 58.8%. And that significant increase could potentially be attributed to Restorbrit and Canvinson around because you see the pictures and you see the clips of people coming together

to spread the word that Rebecca is the right leader for Makerfield. And so that kind of online presence that Restore Britain has as a party, A, the rest of the parties would absolutely kill for and for any party to say, no, we wouldn't. The lying. But secondly, you also have to look at

the party's kind of history in terms of scoring because even though it was Great Yameth first, It was still headed by Rupert Law, still based online, but they won all nine seats when they stood for Norfolk County Council. So for mainstream media to turn around and be like, well, you know, you're only polling at, let's say, 2%, you're going to get 2% of the votes. No, they won all nine seats for Norfolk County Council. The turnout for this by-election has increased from the general election by about 6, 7%. you see all these pictures and clips of people coming together to spread the word for Restore Britain

yeah the new media is online and mainstream media just has to get used to that now and they can't ignore him anymore that's why they're showing him now on the you know the day of the results interviewing him Steph I want to bring Russell Quirk in so he can he can question you on some of that

because I guess, Russell, there is still a big online presence for Reform UK as well, right? Well, look, it's new media. You know, it started with Obama, of course, 2008, using the internet and social media to shore up the vote. Yes, we can destroy the country. Yeah, yeah, and indeed. And, yeah, and so on. So, look, it's, I guess some parties have embraced it more than others. I mean, it's really, we should be thinking about the Conservative Party, the Lib Dems, remember them,

and Labor, who of course have not really embraced new media. So yeah, look, it's elections now are fought in the new world and the old world. You know, I think leafleting is still extremely important. Getting out on the stump, extremely important, events, face-to-face stuff. But of course, digital is going to be important. I mean, I do, I'm kind of scratching my head a little bit, though, with regard to this turnover increase all being down to restore. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I mean, you could equally say it's because the people who make a feel desperately want to get rid of Kear. And therefore more Labour voters are outvoting. You could also say it's because Reform have done so fantastic. Let me just get the reform in. You know, I know this is Restore TV, Dan, but let me just get this in. The fact that reform has been just absolutely unequivocally won the local elections, which actually Restore only stood nine candidates in, we stood five and a half thousand, by the way. Yes.

Might also be, you know, the Makerfield response saying, yeah, okay, we'd like to support reform. Who knows? We won't know until the end. I suspect it's a combination of all of those things. But I don't buy into the fact that the turnout's gone from 52 to 58% and that's all down to Rupert low. Steve? But let me just respond to that because I said it could potentially,

the increase could potentially be attributed to Restore Britain because of their significant and very successful online presence during the whole campaign for this particular by-election. You can't deny, you know, the hundreds and hundreds of people that have, you know, traveled from all over the UK. into Makerfield to campaign for Restore Britain

is why I say it could potentially, not that it had definitely, but also as well, did you know that the Conservative Party chairman, Kevin Hollenrake, is already thrown in the towel. He's already said that Makerfield was never going to

be RC. They should throw in the towel as a party not just at Makerfield, surely, they should throw in the towel completely and utterly and unequivocally, not just where they are confident in Aberdeen South. There is this other election by election taking place, too, actually, in Scotland. And it's interesting because the Conservatives have gone with a pro-energy policy. Let's get the North Sea oil going again.

Hang on a bit of a turnaround, isn't it? Oh, of course it is. David Cameron on a skidoo a few years ago talking about the bloody ozone layer. Not to mention Theresa May, damming this country to nut and zero. I mean, look, Russell, you know. The Conservatives started net. zero in the UK. Not zero, I always called it.

Let us not be deceived by the Conservative Party doing a little kind of pirouette here. And you know, I've never been a Tory. I've never been a Tory. I voted for Boris Johnson, but I have never been a Tory. I did. Well, in 2019, I did. You better now. Well, come on. 2019 was the Brexit election and your man, Nigel Farage, actually stood down the Brexit party.

So we had no alternative if we wanted to get Brexit done. Trusted Boris. Absolutely, I did. Look, Steph, the alternate, thank you so much. Do make sure you subscribe to Steph's brilliant channel. Because look, she's the online, right? She's a real woman. That's the point.

She understands what's happening to this country. Now, this is going to be fun because Rupert Lowe is doing the rounds. Oh, no. Who's he on with now? Well, this is so good. He's on with LBC. He's enjoying himself. The Labour Broadcasting Company.

And what's brilliant is that Lewis Goodell is hosting this show but I don't believe Lewis Goodall is actually being given the interview. So Lewis Goodall is going to have to introduce the fact that Rupert Lowe is about to be interviewed. I just think we can all enjoy this because sweaty old Lewis is just understanding that all of his politics is failing. That might not be the case. One of the reasons that Labor are feeling increasingly bullish about their prospects. We should probably talk about one of the other candidates who has been a major player in this campaign. someone who has certainly been motivating non-voters,

mainly waste disposal bins and sites. I talk, of course, about the man himself, Count BinFace, leader of the bins, I think it's fair to say. Well, he's an aristocratic figure at the very least. Perhaps he's in the Bin House of Lords. Some of his policies have included abolishing hydration breaks in football, giving Emma Hayes a proper studio, sticking it to the mainstream parties,

destroying the far right, cutting their taxes, while Ray, your taxes and raising everybody else's. and other things that humans don't care about his campaign. Slogan, make your vote. God, no wonder no one watches Lewis Goodall, right? Isn't that awful? Can you hear the James O'Brien in his voice? Yes.

He is modelling himself on the hideous individual that is James O'Brien. And can I just say, you know, not that I want to boast, and it is, it's late at night, you know, but LBC has less than a thousand people watching him at the moment on YouTube. So I'm just saying, and that's because we have to deal with that type of bullshit from Lewis Goodell. Anyway, we're going to get through that. But I am assured that very, very shortly we will see Rupert Lowe, who is at the count in Mayfield. And what are you hearing, Connor? You're hearing Nigel Farage is not at the count.

Well, apparently Charlie Simpson dropped an update saying from a close source in reform. He has confirmed that Farrow had left because that was posted about an hour ago and reformed with denying that. And then now most recent update is that he isn't there at the moment. Okay, well, come on. Let's become the 935th viewer for Lewis Goodall because I'm told that he is about to get refraudlow. How has the campaign been going?

And what was your reception like on the door? Well, look, we've had a tremendous reception. And I think, as we had in Norfolk, the exciting thing is we've had volunteers coming from all over the country to help us. So in the local elections, which we swept the board in Norfolk in the County Council elections. We won the Borough Council by election there. And we had people, probably 500 people came to that campaign.

Last Saturday here, we had probably 1,200 people came from all over the country and the world. We even had people from Hong Kong. So I think the British people are stirring. I think they've had enough of the failure that they've seen in both government and the civil service. And sitting on the Public Accounts Committee, which I do now, I see quite how weak the civil services, how they are serving themselves, not the public, which is what they're supposed to be doing, how they're wasting vast amounts of taxpayers' money, which means that hardworking people have to pay far more tax, unnecessarily, because there's a lot of waste, there's a lot of misappropriation, there's a lot of things that could be done a lot better, and there are far too many people employed in government. So look, I think we're resonating with what people think they want. And in Parliament, I stand up and I speak and I try and speak the truth.

As you probably know, I'm not in this for money. I give my parliamentary salary to charity each month. Charities in great, Mark Yarmouth usually, but elsewhere if I think that's where it's best served. So I think we need more sort of what I call vocational politicians who basically want to change way in which things operate. Because Britain's going badly wrong. I think everybody can see that. Labor has done untold damage in the last two years. The front bench, most of them have no business experience, they have no life experience. They have no understanding of the consequences of the legislation they're passing. They're raising taxes all the time, particularly taxes on jobs

with the increase in national insurance. And they're just damaging the real economy. They have no idea of the consequences of what they're doing. So I think the British people can see that and they're getting increasingly frustrated by it. And obviously your party, 5%, 7%, say something. Well, whatever we get, tonight is the poll. Tonight is the poll. Tonight is the poll. It will be a good result for you tonight. Well, we came into this thinking that sort of 10% would be a great result. I mean, we're a new party. Less than four months old, I think we were told we'd get 2% in Great Yarmouth. In Norfolk, we were told we'd get 1%, less than 1%, we ended up. You could have halved all our votes and we still have won. So under under under report? Now look I mean a national

election is a different thing to county council elections where I'm a local MP in great Yarmouth and everyone knows me and they've seen what we've done in great Yarmouth they've seen that my office there is doing its best to help people so I think it was easier in a regional election this is a national election from a party that's four months old and how would you feel that if we get if we get anywhere near 10% I think that is the news of the night. did get 10%. That will be enough to deny reform to win. Okay, so we are now going to cross to Abdeen, where we believe the SNP have lost this by-election to the Conservative Party.

This is the first result of the night. Let's take it. 2,478. Douglas Lumsden, Scottish Conservative and Unionist, 14,000. Scottish Greens, lets demand better, 974. Sullivan, Scottish Liberal Democrats, 1,270. Richard Gordon Thompson, Scottish National Party, 8,258. Ballot papers rejected 53, and total votes, 28,950.

And I declare that Douglas Lundsen is elected to serve in the United Kingdom Parliament as the member for the Aberdeen South constituency. Ballot papers rejected. Amazing result then for the Conservative Party up in Aberdeen South. So, Connor, that is a big result. I mean, here we are all night saying the Conservatives are dead. They're finished, they've forgotten. They should just throw in the towel.

And they've just gone and beaten the SNP in Aberdeen. Yeah, the S&P conceded even before the announcement was read out there. them. As you can hear, the Conservatives are rather jubilant. It must be quite nice to win something for a change rather than to stem your losses. They lost the seat in 2019 because they actually won from the S&P

in 2017, so they haven't held the seat for the last, oh, what's that? Six of it years. So they must be pretty chuffed gaining that back. But I do remember two things rhetorically. One, reform had a pretty polished ad with their candidate as Joe Hart. They made

quite a big deal about being a midwife, obviously interest in women's safety, and, you know, they thought they were in with a chance. We heard quite a lot about reform performing well in Scotland and the Malcolm offered in the local elections, but that doesn't seem to have really been borne out. And just, so it'll be, it'll be interesting to see whether or not they make any gains whatsoever going forward in Scotland. And also, we're also hearing, as Rupert Lois confirmed, some suggestions that some of the Senate members that reform picked up at the local elections potentially defected. over to restore, so their inroads in the Celtic nations might be short-lived.

I mean, P to C. Bands. Yeah. It's quite an incredible night. Yeah. Because in a lot of ways, this could have been the night where Reform UK became inevitable. That's the big word. inevitable. Every campaign needs the inevitability myth. So basically, what is the point in voting, Nigel Farge is going to win? Reform is going to win.

You need that. This night has put the question of Nigel Frager's Prime Minister, like front page news. It is undeniable now to ask that you cannot ask that question. You asked that, say, what, two weeks ago, everybody would have said, well, Nigel's going to win. Reform is the shoe in. The reality is reform have actually been slipping for quite some time. If you look at the local elections, their actual vote share went backwards. The seats they would in Scotland were actually from party list, not from constituency level. And more importantly, where they've actually been winning is consolidating votes.

They've not actually expanded in any meaningful way into particularly the remain areas or Lib Dem areas or particularly inner cities. They have been essentially blocked out of. Wales is a prime example as to why you can't go around insulting voters because you need coalition partners. You need to build coalitions with people. The one thing I will say when it comes to the Tories winning this seat is it's quite important for them because this was the first kind of competitive seat that they've actually kind of run in. In other words, everything else they've just kind of stood a paper candidacy for want of a better phrase. but realistically this one they did actually put quite a bit of money behind it, quite a few

resources and, you know, make a feel was never really in their purview. But I do think this is a big, big night for the Conservatives that are on that seat alone because, you know, that 200-year-old party that's been around a while, you know, it's quite difficult to put down. Its haw crooks are still running around by the looks of it.

But yeah, I do think that Reforma got it into the head so this is 1997. It's not. It's 1992. The one thing that they have really underestimated it is better the devil you know. I still think that these big brands that the Labour Party and the Conservative still carry with them

a kind of sense of duty voter, that they feel that they should vote for them because they know them and they feel a sense of, well, they used to be okay. My big thing for parties like restore and reform is it's now no longer the immigration argument. It is now the economy.

It is now regeneration of the high street. It is now jobs. It is actually branching out and showing you are an administration in waiting. The one thing that, reform never did was the hard yards of a political party. It never did the policy stuff. Reform of, so Restore have actually already made those inroads. Those policy papers have got the detail. The one thing, reform have a headline. Restore actually have the detail. And this is,

this is one thing that I noticed in a couple of the interviews that Rupert has given, is they are coming out with not just the kind of, well, we're just going to deport lots of people. They're going out with how they're going to do it, how they're going to pay for it, the timeframes. This stuff buys you credibility with a voter base that doesn't know you. They all ran around saying, that, oh, who put low and all this kind of stuff. You don't have to be popular to win. You have to be credible to win. An election is not a popularity contest.

It's a job interview. And you are literally, you've got to advocate for yourself and not tell everybody else why the other guy is terrible. Reform reached for Project Fear because it doesn't know what it stands for. It doesn't know what it believes in, because it's a hodgepodge of literally everything put together, all led by one man driven by the biggest ego in professional politics, who also happens to be the biggest snowflake in professional politics.

And you're talking about Nigel Farage by a country mile. I mean, the guy shouted boring at a journalist. And then, you know, they're suddenly running around saying, well, Rebecca's never in front of a journalist. You know, at some point, hypocrisy has to be a word for these people because that's one of the reasons Restore even exists. They run around with purity tests, and reform failed their own purity test.

If I can add to that as well, the more that policies start to converge, because yesterday's Restore Britain policy paper is tomorrow's reform headline, you know, everyone's racing to be the most credible on mass deportations, and even, even, Kemi's removed

the immigration pledge from the front of her podium, but they're still trying to sound like they can get a handle on the mess they made. The more that people promise the same policies, the more it becomes,

not just a job interview, it's, who do you find, it's a character test, who do you find to be the most credible, courageous, and, okay, who do I trust to enact this vision

that everyone agrees is exactly the same? Do I trust the guy that's been consistently promising it with detail, or do I trust the person that to be kicking and screaming dragged in order to adopt that.

But I'm just saying, the point is, though, that of course you can look at the individual arguments about why these seats are very different and what's happened. But the problem that Nigel Farage has got is that there's actually no good news for him out of tonight. No. There is good news for the Conservatives. Now, look, we can all say this is a rare win. But the point is, they can actually say we can win seats. If we focus our energies on particular constituencies where we have the policy mix, we can win a seat.

And then obviously Restore Britain is going to be able to say, well, we can challenge and take away a lot of the vote away from Reform UK. So I guess my question to you, James, is where is the victory tonight for Reform UK? What can Reform UK come away with saying we're winning? All right. So Peter is obsessed with this almost perverse. He's a perverse idea that reform has stagnated or something like that.

Well, hello, let's look at the local elections recently, the council elections. Yes, you went backwards. How on earth could you look at those and then say, oh no, reform is stagnating. Well, I think not. Well, I think not. They're reversing.

If you actually look at national equivalent vote share, they went backwards 1.2%. They're further away from a majority in 12 months than they were closer to it. Also, you consolidated votes. You didn't make any ingrans into actual competitive areas and you didn't make any ingrowned to remain central territory. You were blocked out of Wales.

You didn't win any seats on any constituents' seats in Scotland. This idea that, yes, you've got a lot of numbers in terms of the seats. Well, they do. They do. We do. But basically it makes you the Lib Dems of the Right. In other words, you've got potholes. You're not getting national security.

I think that's kind of where you are right now. And you've all been running around thinking that just because you're saying the right thing, the government is somehow the thing you're owed. What you're talking about? The Lib Dems of the Right. Yes, that's what you are at the moment. In what way? Because you've got potholes.

You've been blocked out of two parliamentary seats that have control over things like the economy, national defence. All these kind of stuff. Nonsense. When you've actually been judged on your ability to actually handle the big boy stuff, you've been kept at the kids table. Okay. Guess what?

Rupert Lowe is now on the BBC, the British Passion Corporation. And let me tell you, again, Conner, we've got to set this up because it's hugely significant. We despise the paedophilic organisation. but at the end of the day, they still have a massive audience. And they tried, I believe, to influence this campaign by refusing to allow Rebecca Shepard to appear on question time.

But as the campaign went on, they realized we can't keep ignoring this guy. And I am told that we're about to see Laura Koontzberg interview Rupert Lowe. Yeah, Rupert's, they've already published some of the statements on the BBC's live blog. So he says, well, we're, we're, very confident we're going to get more than the projected amount that the previous polls or the most pessimistic readings of 2% said. Danny Kruger actually responded to Rupert's comments live on air saying, well, Restore is still very, very online.

But maybe they might make inroads. So, oh, it's suddenly moved from being a purely online phenomena to, oh, we've got thousands of canvases out, sort of putting it in our face. And we quite wish that we had that actually if we pissed everybody up. It's that reaction to Restore that actually gave them the oxygen. In other words, do not deny the thing exist. It's called the Streisand effect. I mean, at what point did the reforms certainly think that insulting their own side of the spectrum and then trying to tell people that it doesn't exist was ever going to work?

Also, with a hostile media from the left that was only going to poke the bear further. Totally. It's just show a strategy. That has been the Dan Hodges argument throughout this campaign. Oh, if reform just shut up about restore this would never have happened. Don't be wrong. I do think reform strategy has been wrong. but I think even if they hadn't had said a word about Restore Britain, this is a movement.

We are not going to be silenced anymore. Oh, don't be stupid, Dan. Do you seriously think so? I do. Why am I being stupid? Come on. What did I just say that was stupid? What chances do you think they have?

Of what? Winning a general election? Well, I think it's going to be tough. But at the moment, do I think that reform UK? Can win a general election? No. Yeah, of course they can. It depends what you mean by winning.

For the past two years, down every poll for the past two years you've seen, who is there on top, reform? Look, James, your party is trying to suck up now to the trade unions, increasingly moving to the left. So what we need in British politics is an honest force to the right.

I mean, it's Katie Hopkins who says this, so I'm stealing this from her, but we don't want to go into that voting booth anymore and hold our nose and say, oh, we're going to have to go with Farage, but we know he's going to let us down. No, so how am I being stupid? You said it. You're, yeah, you are. You're being idiotic. Tell me why. You've been idiotic. Well, you can, you can throw around these terms, but, but why? Because the chances that you afford, restore, that's idiotic. I think it's what you mean by winning. If you mean by an outright majority, the reform are definitely not going to get it and restore at the moment

aren't going to get it. The thing is, we're no longer in the duopoly. We're in five-party politics. Coalition building, being the largest party, is also winning. Having a handful of seats is a lot of power at the next general election. If Restore end up getting, say, 10 seats, that is a seat at the table. That is winning. It is no longer just getting a majority anymore because we've moved past that politics.

People all wanted the collapse of the two-party system and then forgot that when it collapses, politics itself changes. Yeah, totally. And look, you may say I'm stupid, but at the end of the day, I do believe there is a movement happening in this country. There are events that are waking more and more people up every day. At some point, that is going to cross over to politics. Look at the turnout for the United Kingdom rallies. Now, your deputy leader said that lot, that lot. We're just going to forget about it. Yeah, but Rupert Lowe refuses to meet Tommy Robinson, by the way. What do you mean? Rippett Lowe refuses to meet Tommy Robinson.

Well, I don't know if that's true, but all I've seen... It is true. He's not met him. Well, I don't know if that's true. Well, Tommy asked him to meet him and he's not met him. All I've seen is that every single time over the past week, when the mainstream media have been absolutely desperate for Rupert to throw Tommy Robinson under the bus, he has not done so. He has praised his work in terms of exposing Pakistani Muslim rape gangs,

and he has said that he has welcomed to be a member of Restore Britain if he chooses to be. Now, is Tommy Robinson part of the party management? No. Does he want to be? No. Tommy Robinson has made it clear he wants to run a cultural movement. He never even wanted to be a member of Reform UK. But Reform UK threw him under the bus.

Anyway, look, we do have this BBC interview. So let's all watch and we can judge Laura Coonsberg. Do we think she's going to be fair? Let's see. Let's see. The programme. What do you expect to achieve in the constituency tonight? Well, Laura, I mean, I've been here all day to day,

and we've had tremendous support from a lot of people. And I think it's not, as John Curtis is saying, the BNP vote. I don't know where he thinks he's got that from. It's quite extraordinary. No, no, we're bringing people back to vote who haven't voted for a long time, like we did in Norfolk in the local elections, because they actually can see that there is somebody, I think,

standing to change the way we're governed, to try and ensure that government is for the people and for the benefit of the people, which it clearly hasn't been recently. And when I sit in Parliament, I look at the decisions that are being made by the front bench, most of whom have never run a business and don't understand how businesses operate, and they don't understand the consequences of the taxes they keep increasing, particularly taxes on employment.

I'm staggered, and I think the British people have had enough of it. So I'm encouraged by the support we've had, and I think to, again, John Curtis's point about us polling 2%, That's the number we came into this being told we were going to get. But I'm confident we will get a much higher vote than that. And for a party that's less than four months old, I think that's a hell of an achievement. And Rebecca Shepard, our candidate, deserves a lot of credit for the dignity and for the hard work she's put in in talking to her local constituents. So much higher than 2%.

Would you put a figure on what you expect to achieve? I don't know, Laura. But look, at the end of the day, this is the poll, isn't it? We're standing in a national election. We did very well in the county council elections and the borough council election in Norfolk and Great Yarmouth recently. So, you know, again, we brought people back to vote. And certainly in the county council election,

you could have halved the vote we got and we'd still have won every seat. So look, I think there's an enthusiasm for what we're doing. There's an enthusiasm for what I'm doing on the Public Accounts Committee in Parliament, where I try and speak the truth. And I think people are concerned about immigration. It's a huge issue. They're concerned about the fact that the country appears to be financially struggling. I think a lot of people are finding it very difficult to pay their bills. And it seems the state gets bigger and bigger.

The private sector gets smaller and smaller. And those people who they're supposed to be serving get poorer and poor. poorer so that's not that's not good government Laura so I think people are disaffected and we'll see tonight is a is in itself a poll and it's it's going to be interesting to see what the outcome is but I think it's too early to say exactly it looks like the turnouts high which should be good for us you say though you are staggered by some of the comparisons that people have made about Restore Britain but some people were staggered when you said that Tommy Robinson Stephen Yaxley Lennon who's a convicted offender was

welcome to join your party. What impression do you think you gave? No, no, I didn't say that. I didn't say that, Laura. Hang on, let's get it right. What I said, well, I've got it here. You said, if Tommy Robinson wants to join us, that's up to him. I was, exactly. I was asked the question, was Tommy Robinson a member of our party? And I said, I don't know, because I don't look at the membership every day, and nor does anybody in any party across the spectrum. And by the way, there are some pretty unpleasant people who are members of the Green Party or members of other parties on whether you take the left or the right, there are lots of unpleasant people everywhere, right?

And I'm not aware of any party that audits its membership. And what I actually said was, I don't know if Tommy Robinson's a membership. If he decides to part with 20 pounds and join Restore Britain, that's a matter for him. That's what I said. Indeed, and I can explicitly, the precise quote is, if Tommy Robinson wants to join us, that's up to him.

Now, the point, the reason I'm asking that is because you're a political... Isn't that what I just said, Laura? Other people who are in different political parties to you say explicitly that he would not be welcome to join them. That's why I'm asking you the question, including Nigel Farage, has always said that Tommy Robinson would not be part of the Reform Party, the party that he leads. So why do you take a different approach? Well, look, Laura, at the end of the day, I just said nobody audits their membership. Are you aware of the Tories auditing their membership or I don't think reform's got a clue who are members of their party I'm still on their list and supposedly I was politically assassinated last year.

Are you still a member of reform? They still send me all their stuff. Yeah, it still comes through. I don't think anybody audits their membership list. So it's a pretty pure old question, frankly. And Tommy Robinson, I've given him credit for what he did on the grooming gangs. And I don't know whether you've read our grooming gang report. very early out of the traps on identifying this pervasive evil which I'm sad to say the BBC

have not covered at all and we we're not we issued this huge report which was crowdfunded by 20,000 people on Tuesday I'm not aware that you've covered it at all as a as a national monopoly which is supposed to cover everything that is of relevant interest to the British people and I think that's quite extraordinary I want to be in your former colleague Danny Kruger who's been listening carefully to you I would to point out to everybody watching, the BBC's extensively covered the dreadful issue of grooming gangs over a period of many, many years. But Danny Kruger, you've been listening carefully to Rupert Lowe. Of course, you used to sit alongside each other. Actually, did he quit before

you went across? Okay, all these coming and goings, forgive me, I got it, got it the wrong way around. But he sits behind. I know, Danny, he's a very fine chap, but I've never been sitting on the benches next to him. So what is your response to what Rupert Lowe is saying tonight. He's laying down the godlet saying he's a real challenger to you, not just tonight, but maybe in future. Well, let's see what happens in the in the actual vote. The impression I have is that Restore's appeal is largely online. It may well have been because they've poured a huge amount of effort into this season. So there you go. That they're not actually listening. They are not taking seriously. It's so frustrating. Connor, on a couple of levels. My frustrations are like

up there because it's like, Danny Kruger, no, it's not just online. And if you just dismiss this vote as just being online, then actually you're doing a disservice to Patriots and you're going to screw up your chances. Secondly, Connor, she's going on again. Tommy Robinson, who doesn't want to be involved, actually, as a member of Restore. Well, he said he may want to be a member, but he never said He wants to be some sort of like, exactly, as he doesn't want to be an MP. Yeah, and as Rupert has said, I mean, you're not following Tommy Robinson, you're following Rupert Lowe if you join Restore Britain,

just as you're following Nigel Farage if you join Reform. So that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Again, Coonsberg deftly dodged the question as to whether or not she's read the Rape Gang Inquiry report. I doubt she's going to dedicate much of her Sunday show to that particular bombshell. And Danny Kruger, he's always been yesterday's man. I mean, he wrote the Hugga Hoodie speech. I don't know if anyone saw his disastrous interview with Emma, Webb Trimble on the New Culture Forum.

She's inherited Peter Whittal show. The guy thinks Afghans can magically become English because they have some reverence for Alfred the Great or something. He thinks that he was praising Islam. He was saying Naz Shah is one of the best MPs that he knows. Reminded a Nas Shah, I think it was in 2017, liked and retweeted an Owen Jones parody account that said those abused girls and Rotherham should shut their mouths to the sake of diversity. She still claims she was the victim of that, by the way, of the public backlash that followed.

and I don't know, I've managed to never like and retweet such a thing that would tell grooming gang victims who shut their mouths. So I just don't really take what Danny Kruger says about modern politics very seriously. I'm just going to interrupt because breaking right now, we have the second result in from Scotland. And this is interesting too. Let me take you through it. The result from our broth and Broughty fairy.

So the Lib Dem has got 6.1% of the vote. Labor, 15.4% of the vote. that is an 18% decline. Reform UK 18.3% up 9.6. The Conservatives 19% up 3.5 and the SNP 41.2% up 5.9. But Peter, again, really, really bad result for Reform UK. And again, I'm not attempting here to pile on Reform UK. It might seem like that.

I'm genuinely not, James, because this is the Conservatives beating reform into second place. Yeah, and it's literally what Connor was talking about before. You've got to come with policy. You've got to come with more than pointing at something and saying that's really bad. That's the public's job. The point of a political party

is to say, yeah, we agree, and this is how we're going to fix it, and this is how long it's going to take, and this is how much it's going to cost and all these kind of bits. It's called valence politics. It is literally the thing that will define the next couple of general elections. It's kind of says everybody's all saying the same thing. So who is the most credible? Who do you believe

is going to be able to do it. And then, you know, when the Conservatives actually do bother to, you know, get behind the driving seat again, they still have the institution behind them. The problem of Reform UK is they put everything on Danny Kruger. But they made his jumps. He might, you know, Danny'll fix everything. He'll come up with a policy for everything. They didn't talk about the economy, I think, between October and about two weeks ago.

I mean, in what world did they suddenly think that maybe the cost of living and the economy and jobs might be a bit of a vote winner? It's just ridiculous. Because I also just want to show you again, because we are waiting with the Makerfield result, but we also have the result from Aberdeen South. And I'll just take you through that. The Greens 3.4%. The Lib Dem's 4.4%.

That's down 1.9. Labor 5.4% down 19.4. Reform UK, 8.6% up 1.7. The SNP, 28.6%. That's down 4.2. But the Conservatives, 49.5% in Aberdeen South, up 25.1%. So they are the two votes in from Scotland.

And again, I'm just being honest about it and you know I'm no Tory. But it's good news out of Scotland for the Conservative Party. But Lauren, the insider, is at the Makerfield Count. And Lauren, things are heating up.

We believe that the Green Party candidate Sarah Wakefield has arrived, which suggests that maybe your result is not too far off, Lauren. And it does look like this is a Labour win. But the critical question is going to be, how well can restore Britain do? Rupert Lowe is there, but Nigel Farage is not.

What are you hearing, Lauren? What's the vibe on the ground? Well, so yes, we did see Sarah arrive. She was taken through the security barriers. Dan, I just can't express how heavily pleased this area is. When you say what's going on on the ground, you would think there had been a terrorist attack and I am not being dramatic when I say that.

Police van after police van turning up and they say they're here as a precaution but it is absolutely empty. Now inside we have seen legacy media have to interview Rupert Lowe which is absolutely brilliant. Or wasn't it wonderful Lord? I mean it's just great

but obviously they'll still put their own slant on it, they'll distort it, they'll chop it up, cut it up, fry it, throw it backwards, change a few words and it obviously won't be anything like what we do on outspoken because we let the truth speak for itself. But even if, you know, Restore don't win and like you say, it's likely for a Burnham win, Restore are very, very new. The amount of support they have is huge. And this is rapidly picking up pace. So the establishment need to be very, very concerned about this. Because once you ignite that passion in patriots, that is only going to get bigger and bolder. So we're expecting a result hopefully within the next hour. A Labour source, Lauren, is telling GB politics, we are confident we have won this. by election, had Andy Burnham not been the candidate, Reform would have won this.

Really, right. Interesting. Well, I haven't seen a huge amount of support for reform here, if I'm being honest. I did go to Reform HQ earlier and interviewed people. They were very much leaning towards wanting to support, restore. But it's obviously good to have movement on the right side. Burnham is an absolute nightmare. But yeah, I haven't seen lots of signs for reform here. I haven't seen a heavy presence on the ground. Well, actually, Lauren, you were at, weren't you?

You were at the Reform Party headquarters earlier. And I want to see what went down. Let's have a look. We are outside Reform HQ. Now, just before we started filming, someone came up and said there's no one that can comment. Bit strange. I just wanted to come and have a chat with everyone, but let's go and see what's going on. Are you Reform? Would you like to talk?

Oh, okay. All right. Well, we're going to go in and see what's going on because, obviously, reform, there are many, many reports that they are scared. Obviously, seeing the success of Restore Britain. So let's have a chat with people. Reformers, hello. Does anyone want to talk on camera about why you love reform?

No. No, I'm reporting for Dan Witten outspoken. Weber were a bit more friendly. Anyone want to talk? Okay, lovely. Thank you, sir. What's your name? Andrew Campbell.

What's your name? I'm Lauren the insider. Nice to meet you. Lauren, Insider, is your name? I mean, not by birth, but that's my YouTube name. What's your family name? Lauren Lund Farrow. Okay, what's your angle?

My angle's just asking reform. Are you excited? Do you feel positive about tonight? Very positive about tonight. Very hopeful. And regardless of what happens, there's an energy here, a community that we formed that I didn't even know existed, by the way.

And I'm optimistic. And what do you make of Restore Britain? Because obviously there's lots of reports saying it could divide the vote and Nigel Farage is nervous. No, I understand that. I love the fact that people are so passionate that they want to make a real change.

Restore, reform. Yeah, they're on the same wavelength. I get that. But I value both of them. I love the fact that you're saying that because actually, you're right, we are seeing the right come together. It can feel very fragmented,

but do you feel that you are wed, to reform or will you see how things progress? I see reform is the powerhouse of change and progress. I see restore as a future neighbour and brother of reform and a competitor, but in the future, not at the present moment. What would it mean to you if Andy Burnham got in? The truth, if Andy Burnham gets in, It's a cynical marker on humanity.

Andrew Burnham is a professional career, champagne socialist, and he's done nothing but taken for granted the loyalty and faith of labour supporters. I am disgusted and disappointed by labour policy on the freedoms of speech, economics, and I hope that people are starting to wake up, and I think they are. I think they are as well, and you seem like a friendly bunch. Would anyone else like to talk to me? Another reformer, right, come to the front reformer. I was only going to say people with rosettes, but what's your name?

My name's Jack. Jack. And how old are you, Jack? You seem quite young. 22 years old. Okay, have you always been interested in politics, or has the state of this country made you think I have got to get involved? Well, I've always been interested in politics since a very very very important.

young age. I remember when I was actually like 13 in high school, having a debate with my sociology teacher about Brexit and stuff, so I've always been massively invested in politics. And do you think reform can win? And do you think Farage is our future PM? 100%. Reform is the only party on the right of politics that can stand up to Labour that can stand up to Kirstarmer and win the next election. I think that it's clear. I mean, if you look at the polls, you need to get to 32% essentially to win a majority. and reform are by far the closest. We're polling at 30% consistently.

I think we've topped the polls in the last 200 odd polls, etc. So yeah, reform is the vehicle to take down the Labour Party and to get stormer out of government and to get Nigel in his prime minister. And what do you think? Are you voting for reform? She did. No, she said restore.

No, she said restore. No, reform. The store's not big enough yet. Would you consider further down the line moving to restore or is it reform all the way? Rupert's saying things that we're all thinking, but it's not big enough yet. I love the fact, though, that you're all being honest,

you know, it's an exciting time in the right. What's this going on? This is Dan Witton outspoken, the UK's leading independent news station. What do you think of the left? What's among? And do you think here Stahmer's a wanker? Yes.

Incredible. The biggest wanker. that's ever been. I mean, I agree. Look, we're in a time where when you just say something that's common sense, you're branded far right.

Far right. Do you read or watch? Have you seen what's happened in the European Union today? It's, I mean, look, the very people that started this immigration shite have now voted to start deporting everyone across Europe.

Can I ask you, are you seeing the mass influx of immigration as a good thing, or as a bad thing? Very, very bad. Very, very bad. Okay. Well, you've made that very clear

and you are absolutely lovely poppet. Back to you. And Lauren, the insider, has also tried to infiltrate the Labour Party supporters who are a little bit less keen even though it is looking like an Andy Burnham win tonight.

Look at what went down. I am joined outside the Labour Party HQ by a gentleman that you look like you're voting labour. I am voting labour, I'm supporting labour. I've known Andy for 30 years. He's a great bloke and he'll be a fantastic representative of this local area. What do you say to the failures he has in his past

when it comes to the grooming gangs and everything that he has promised, inquiry, but nothing ever materialises? I think if you look over at Andy's career, if you look at him as Secretary's State for Health, if you look at him for the Culture Secretary, I think his achievements far outweigh any... And we are now going to cross to Lauren the inside.

I think Andy Burnham is arriving at the count in Makerfield. Lauren, what's happening? We should have done it on the phone. What's happening, Lauren? How quick can we get that to done? I'm not sure what happened there. But we'll cross back to Labour HQ and we'll see what's going down. We are outside the Labour Party campaign headquarters and I am joined by a

a man with a poster. Jordan Rivers. Thank you for joining me, Jordan. And you've got an Andy Burnham poster. Is it satire? So it is completely satire. We're making fun of both Andy Burnham and Robert Kenyon. It's double-sighted. We have to thank the good works of people of Islington, Prince and Calquick. So what this is is mainly meant to match the social sentiments as many people are feeling. So the joke on the top, it says F-Labor vote Burnham.

Burdom's his own brand. And we know he's carrying the entire party, but the party's not uplifting him. If anything, the party might be hurting him. People just like him from his reputation on Manchester. Sorry, respectfully, can I just cut in there and say, Burnham has actually failed, according to the survivors of the grooming gangs. Countless people, we have seen investigation, inquiry. It leads to nothing. Do you agree the most important thing in society is safeguarding a child?

And that should be the top area that every single politician around the world should focus on. I think safety is important and so is accuracy. I think that there's a lot of upset around how many issues in the community are definitely felt. This is the outskirts of Greater Manchester, so away from the metropolitan area. And I think a lot of people feel very strongly about the grooming gangs. We were just talking about how upsetting it was that the Prime Minister chose to whip his own

MPs for trying to get an inquiry onto what he knew about Peter Mandelson. And it seems that the Labor Party is a party that, you know, pledged itself to be different. We're not the concert is. We're no more cycle drama, no more scandal. And then, you know, the first thing that happens with this government is that they are seen, you know, taking freebies as they're cutting pensions, winter fuel payments. Now that may not be exactly related to the point. Let's wrap this up. Well, the point I'm making is that there's definitely upset about the grooming gang's inquiry.

I would say my only advice to Mr. Burnham, if he is to win today, I would say, do not confuse authenticity with strategy. He's very authentic. He's down to earth. no matter while you feel about him. And I think a lot of people will be let down if he doesn't do a good job. But the vote share definitely shows that amidst even the most difficult time around a very sensitive issue, as you just mentioned,

people are willing to go out and vote for him, and he happens to be labor. Well, I think we have seen Andy Burnham's track record, and if you look at what the survivors and the victims say, he has not stood by them. Outspoken viewers, we know where our loyalty lies. It lies with the children. Thank you.

Okay, so we have just been told that Andy Burnham has arrived at the count in Makerfield. Lauren, the insider, did confront him when he was going in. So we'll try and get that footage over to you, ASAP. It looks like a result in the Makerfield by-election is coming soon. Back in the studio with us, Reform UK's Russell Quirk, Restore Britons, All a Mini Hane. And Connor Thominson, our outspoken election analyst, what are you hearing? because I think there's some interesting news, Conner,

about how the vote might break down over to you. Yeah, Laura Coonsberg has read out on her show for those who are making the mistake of watching that rather than this, why would you? That she received a text from a senior labor source that they are confident that Andy Burnham has 54% of the vote. Now, that means, yeah, Russell's making a face.

What? That's a seismic victory, if that's the case. What that means is, one, the intergenerational labor loyalties in the seat are still sticking, despite it being a poison brand. But also, too, it does mean that reforms narrative about splitting the vote and robbing them of a marginal victory, it's mathematically impossible. So it'll be interesting to see what portion of the vote is allocated from people that were not likely voters before, that have been mobilised either by restore or reforms promises to weigh up their pitches. But if Burnham wins by that greater margin, then it was nobody's game to win.

It shows that we should also continue to ignore polls in the run-up to two elections. Yeah, their opinion-shapeers, not necessarily opinion-reaching. And it was conspicuous that very few polls were actually conducted in this one, because I think it was two from Servation, and then one from a very obscure polling company a few days ago. Other than that, it was a total blackout. But it generally had restore labour about 5% apart most of the time. Let's see. It's going to be imminent, isn't it?

Yeah, I think it is coming quite soon. In the meantime, though, Oli, you might enjoy this. Please. Bangam Debenir, who I just think is awful. You know, she was the Labour leftist who would be in cabinet right now, but was defeated by the Green Party candidate in Bristol. And I'm told she has just had a total meltdown on sly news when confronted with Sarah Pochin,

who in fairness, all a mini-hainer's been pretty tough on tonight. So I think... I did say I liked her as an individual. Yes, you did, yeah. And I think sometimes we need a bit of entertainment. So let's watch this lefty meltdown. Fifths of them roughly are normally given asylum. And they're not given British citizenship now.

If people apply for asylum, that is to have refugee status. That is not the same. Are you ever going to let me finish a sentence? They're allowed to stay for 10 years plus. Just let a talk. They are lost in our society. The home office don't know where they are. Right.

None of these things are true and you know it, Sarah. Just repeatedly saying that the only danger, If you're saying that the only danger, are you really saying the only danger to women is from people who come from other countries? Are you really saying that there are no white people, white men who rate? And you keep cutting in. We're talking about domestic violence. And you keep smiling when we're talking about violence against women and girls. I just can't understand why you don't stand with me on the issue of violence against women and girls.

I have 26 years of experience in violence against women and girls. Oh, well, I see you and raise you six years, Sarah. There are women being raped by white men and you don't want to talk about that. You only want to talk about when there's an incident of violence, skates women and girls by someone who is brown. That is your thing. And you want to blame all brown people. Your labour girl is.

And you are causing, you are causing harm to actual people. So. So. Good telly. Good telly. Can you speak up for your poaching? Your girl poaching. I don't need to.

Sarah is more than capable of speaking up for herself. We are close to a result, by the way. check out these scenes from inside the count where Andy Burnham has now arrived. And look, Lisa Nandy, current culture secretary, is there alongside him and may well be, I guess, looking for a promotion. It's cringible. Isn't it cringable that all of these Labour front benches, you know, particularly the likes of John Healy who pretended to resign, of course, on principle,

but really, let's be honest, resign because he wanted a place in a Burnham cabinet. All of these labour rights are going to be lining up for jobs to line their own pockets and to line their own careers. That's what it's all about. And that I would advance and suggest to you all is exactly what is wrong with British politics. I think we might have some footage of Andy Burnham arriving at the count when Lauren the insider was there. Let's have a watch of this now. Half of survivors of the grooming gangs are you on behalf of children that were raped

That was brilliant Well son Lauren She's so funny She reminds me a bit of Bridget Jones When you know she comes down to her thing She goes And this is Bridget Jones for Wake Up Britain That's what she's...

Lauren actually does regularly compare herself To Renee Zahelga Oh come on that was so great Let's just watch it once more Brilliant And you know what the thing is He would do himself So much good

to stand and say, do you know what? Yes, and this is something I'm going to go, oh, just say something. Yes. So, you know, people, ultimately, this is the man that now thinks he's going to be the next PM and people happen to go, but Rebecca not speaking. Well, I mean, look at that.

I'm just surprised. He turned up in a suit, not his jogging outfit and a football shirt. Well, what's interesting. He's a man of the people. He doesn't give it up. He doesn't give a damn about Makerfield now. You see what I mean? He doesn't get the damn about Maker Field. This is now all about Westminster. Exactly.

Exactly. The polls are closed. We're going to get a very different Andy Burnham. But actually, that is a fair point, isn't it? Well, Connor or Russell, whichever wants to come in on this, actually, all is completely right. Andy Burnham should have turned around, spoken to Lauren and said, look, if I'm leader, I am going to deal with this issue.

He can't, though, because that would implicate his own record. He constantly defended his own record on the grooming gangs. But bear in mind, ever since 2017, he's been not only mayor of Greater Manchester, but police and crime commissioner. And six of the ten areas in the Greater Manchester combined authority have grooming gang convicted in them, the rest as the trafficking pathways for the gangs to operate.

And he's conducted a series or supervised, a series of inquiries ever since BBC's three girls' dramatization, the subsequent documentary. And he's been accused by Maggie Oliver and other police officers of not holding them to the police to account because he's got executive powers as the police and crime commissioner. He could replace all the top blast of the police. He could sack people.

He could ensure that charges are brought against police that were not just complicit in handing the girls over to their torturers, but even allegedly, some of them involved in the rape. didn't do any of it. What's very, very telling is Andy Burnham, of all people, knows that the inquiries that he instigated were voluntary. They could not compel witnesses to give evidence.

Andy Burnham knows he did that. He did that because he did not want a deep, sweeping inquiry that would implicate, obviously, the perpetrators of such crimes, but also, let's be really honest, as this is an outspoken show. It would also have implicated Labour councillors, Labor councils, who would, were absolutely complicit in covering up the rape of young white girls. Absolutely, absolutely. But look, at the end of the day, and as we're seeing now, people are still voting for this man.

Right? This is what is wrong with this country. They have, but it's been put in black and white. I want to bring James Matthewson in, who is our, he's not a current member of the Labour Party, but he has been in the past, and he's our Labor guy today. James, you were watching Lauren the insider there. Just try and get Andy Burnham to speak to the victims of the rape gangs. He just strolled on by, is that not the most arrogant and disgusting thing you've ever seen?

And then what did she do straight after? What's that going to do with them? Promoted restore a different political party. That wasn't a question. That wasn't journalism. That was a promotion for a political party. That's gross. That's disgusting. Well, no, the political party Restore Britain has just published the Rape Gang Inquiry report.

All a mini-hain. She said that's why people are support and restore. She said that's why people are supporting. That is why. Hang on. Isn't the thing that's disgusting, turning a blind eye to rape? That's not what that was. That was a political activist for a political party asking their opponent to answer a gotcha question.

Like, while they were walking into a count. But Judge, do you think that makes the question? any less valid? I don't think it makes the question relevant at all. But what do you think the answer to the question should have been? It can be asked that by actual journalists. But do you think he should have answered the question? No, I don't think you should have spoken to her at all, because who is she?

Why? What doesn't matter who she is? She's asked a valid question. She's a journalist. She's an activist. She's an activist. She's an activist. Call her what you want. A people's journalist. It's a legitimate question. She is a journalist. James, I'm sorry. Lauren the insider is a brilliant journalist who regularly reports for this show, for her own channel, Lauren the insider, which I recommend you and everyone's subscribing. Oh, well, you're just totally

part of the problem, James. Do you not understand, mate? I worked in the mainstream media for 20 years. I'm trained by all of the people in the mainstream media. I'll tell you who are not the journalists, the paedophiles at the BBC, the wotopians at ITV,

the reform propagandists at GB News and Talk TV. So don't say that I'm not a journalist. I did 20 years in the mainstream with those people. They are the political activists. I believe that there are far, far,

better journalists working in the independent space, working in citizen journalism. No journalist promotes a political party. Do you watch Channel 4 News every night? Do you watch Sly News every night? Yes, please come in, Connor. Is Aaron Bastani a journalist? Aaron's, I think, part of that kind of journalism

that we've just seen from Lauren, which is like what you're called journalism. Okay, can I just ask something really quickly? Take away the fact of who she is, what she is. She is a British taxpaying female who has gone and asked, the man who apparently wants to be the next PM of this country, what his view is on the fact that 250,000 white girls were raped in this country, mainly under Labor's watch and in Labor constituencies,

why could he not turn around and say, do you know what? I haven't got time to speak about this, but I will look at it as I move forward. Or something. You don't just blank it. He hasn't blanked the question he's talked about it before. You can literally Google right now, Andy Burnham, grooming, gangs, any of that

and see what he said about it. What I'm saying is, why would he talk to a political activist? No, she just, when she didn't, she didn't say who she was at the time. She literally just said Andy Boat. He knows who she is. He knows that she's there.

He doesn't. Oh, we just said she wasn't a journalist now. we knows who she is. We'll make your mind up, mate. She's either one or she's the other. She's an activist. James, James, I'm sorry. The fundamental problem that I have, James,

the fundamental problem that I've had is that you don't seem to understand that the vast majority of journalists in this country for many, many decades have been activists. John Snow was a hard left activist. Oh, God, don't, look, we're not going to, that's, if you want me to come on

and give a left-wing perspective on things, because you have to do, that's fine. I'm here to do that. But I'm not going to say here. Well, you're the one that came and attacked Lauren the insider. A member of the hard left. I mean, that's absolute nonsense, Dan. I'm sorry, it's nonsense.

Like, we're not going to talk about what journalism and what isn't journalism. Okay. Do you at least concede that John Snow was a left-wing activist? I don't think that Andy Burnham had to answer a question from an opposition political activist. That's what I'm telling you. Can I frame a different question in a different way to you then, James? Do you think Andy Burnham...

Do you think Andy Burnham did enough to protect and bring to justice, to protect the girls that were raped and to bring to justice the rapist? I don't know. I don't think anyone did enough. You must have an opinion. I mean, you're a dialed in political commentator. You must have an opinion on Andy Burnham's tenure over the rape of those young girls. I don't think anybody has done enough for victims of grooming gangs.

I don't know enough about Andy Burnham's particular role, what he's done in his role specifically about that issue. Do you think he could have done more? Well, he's absolutely hammered in Rupert Lowe's rape gang inquiry report. Right. Well, Rupert, listen, again, again, why the hell would I care what Rupert Loo has to say about that issue? Because he's the one. He's the one that's putting it.

No, shut up, James. Seriously, you disrespectful, dreadful little man. Rupert Lowe has put in black and white has put in black and white the findings of hundreds and hundreds of rape gang victims. So don't say what does he know. He knows more than anybody. because he's the one that conducted the report. How dare you sit there and say that? What was he doing 15 years ago?

What was he doing 15 years ago on this issue? Where was anyone 15 years ago? He wasn't an MP. And do you know who was talking about it 15 years ago? James, do you know who was speaking about it 15 years ago? Tommy Robinson. What are you on about Tommy Robinson? He was the one that first brought it to the public domain.

Because his cousins, yeah, because his cousins, he brought it to the public domain because his cousins were part of the grooming gangs and were victims of grooming gangs in Luton all that time ago. We've gone from Rupertlo, right, the leader of a political party. Wonder what he wants out of this.

Wonder what he has to gain from this. No one gains anything, James. No one gains anything. The only people that gave... Oh, you're a dreadful little man. You know what? You and your party and every piece of stum

in the Labour Party are the reason that 250,000 girls were around. Great. James, you know what? Go back to your little hole, you dreadful little man. Okay, James. I'm not part of the little. Lauren, Lauren, the insider, James. James, Lauren the insider. Who the hell are you? Who the hell are you? Oh, mate, you'll find out. You will find out.

Okay, hold up. Lauren the insider is here, James. She wants to say something to you. Yes, first of all, I am not a political activist. I am a mother, first and foremost. I am the daughter of a survivor. Also, I think there is. nothing more important than safeguarding a child. That is what I do a lot of my journalism on, speaking to survivors, speaking to people that have been failed, particularly the people that are in care as well. There is a huge, huge problem. The reason I, not that I have to defend it, the reason I cornered Andy Burnham is because for too long, and this is proper journalism here, we have only heard of narratives and truths through the mainstream media ecosystem.

Now, that ecosystem is the very same ecosystem where there was phone hacking. We saw what happened with Leveson. If we look at Leveson Part 2, which focused on media and police collusion, that never happened. Conservatives and Labour allegedly did a deal. There was a story whereby Murdoch would not deny he had struck a deal with. labour to drop Leverson part two. So this is a big, big question hanging over Andy Burnham's head. He is part of the establishment. And the only person that will talk about the mass failure of British children is Rupert Lowe. And so if we are looking at this just on a human level,

because that's what we have to do. That is why I mentioned it. You talk about what kind of journalist, am I? Well, I'll tell you what kind of journalist I am. I'm one that will blow up my YouTube channel like that if it saves any child or any rape gang survivor, because that is what is important to me. I'm not some agitated little lefty that reads the Guardian and believes propaganda. And you know why I'm not? Because I worked in the mainstream media. Any journalist of any credibility would not have just said that. That's insane. I'm not asking. That's fine. I'm I'm not asking for credibility because I know that what I do is important. I don't expect you to understand it.

I'm not an activist. I'm not an activist. I'm not an activist. You're an activist that you believe in. You believe in this. You're campaigning for it. It's admirable. You're an activist.

No, it's not admirable. This is exactly what's wrong. It is not, wind your beacon, I'm talking. It is not abramarral to talk about the safeguarding of children. Do you understand how serious it is? that in this country, our police, our councils, our government have all watched our children be failed. Do you know there are children that have gone from care homes to taxis and then been failed by the police? At every point in their life, they've been failed.

And I can only get one person to discuss this with me, and that's Rupert Lowe. And we know the failures that have gone on under Andy Burnham. Can I ask you, are you a parent? No, and I'm not going to get drawn into the personal aspect on it anyway. Regardless, you're a parent, you're an activist, you're a campaign. That's Admiral. That's great. No, no, no, no, no, no. Right, let's not go down this whole.

Don't name me. Don't. Just like Tommy Robinson. You're just like the other ones. You're sitting like it's a bad thing, mate. If somebody with a Twitter account who pushes forward your campaign, that is fine. Do not pretend to discredit the EU. Institute of Journalism, which is supposed to be unbiased, fact-based and reporting when you're using

it to push your political together. Let me ask you what you think. Let's talk. Hang on, hang on, hang on, look, stop you work, Salad. Let's take this step by step. Let's talk about Leverson Part 2 then. If you want to talk about proper journalism. I'm not talking about the Leveson inquiry. I wasn't booked to talk to you about the Leveson inquiry. Because I don't have anything to say about the Leviton You're talking about proper journalism. Now, if you're talking about proper journalism, I'm talking, please be quiet. If you are... I'm not here to talk to you about things that I haven't been booked to talk about.

No, no, no. And that's fair enough, James. James, that is fair enough. But the only reason I bought Lauren in was because you saw her questioning Andy Burnham on arrival to the venue. And you actually, I'm just being honest about it, you actually made criticism of her. So that's the only reason we're talking about it.

It's not... Do you know what? And also, right, I don't care if people think I am a journalist or I'm not. I don't care if they think I'm talented or talentless. But what I do know is my time on this planet,

what I will be doing is putting something into the world where children come out better. And what I see time and time again by the entire political system is one that continues to let our veterans down, let our children down, let our elderly down. And so these are conversations that need to happen. Now, in terms of Leveson Part 2, the reason I referenced it is because this is an entire ecosystem

that has been used and abused and has shielded powerful people. And this is why Andy Burnham will not talk to a normal, non-talented journalist like me. I mean, I don't know what you have to do. Do you have to just go and suck up to Rupert Murdoch to be considered? journalist. I don't know. Oh, God. Is you going to write a job spec for journalism? But James, you were saying that I wasn't a journalist.

Like, no, I don't think you are now, Dan. I think you're a former journalist. That's not I said you're a formal doctor. So, basically, this is great. This is great, James. If you work in the mainstream media, you're a journalist. If you work in the independent media, you're not a journalist. If you're being regulated, okay.

If you're being regulated, oh, come on. If you're being regulated and you're trying to be non-biased. and you're trying to do the things that all the other than the BBC. Like Laura Cunspur. It's good, yeah. When I go into the BBC, listen, here's the difference. When I go into the BBC tomorrow morning, right? When I go into the BBC, I'll sit with about three or four different producers.

We'll go through the most boring. Producers, so silly. Don't let me talk? John, let me talk or not. No, you talk too much, mate. All right, well, okay. Thanks. Thanks for having me on.

See ya. You've been having us on, I think, mate. You've been having us on. Oh, we've had our first walk off. Or it's not sort of a walkoff, it's a slam the computer moment. This is why I have a rule of not listening to fat people. Oh, don't say that with James Round. You'll start talking about the energy analysis.

Look, the thing, the thing for me that I just find so truly offensive about that, though, is about how the left view journalism. I mean, the idea that I was more of a journalist because I was controlled and because I was regulated, trust me, that made me so much less of a journalist. Because I wasn't able to properly. hunt the truth. Or I was working for Murdoch who had vested interests and say, oh, don't go for Boris Johnson over this. Or I was working for Lord Rothermaer who said I have vested interests and this. Don't talk about that. What is the definition of a journalist? Someone, I guess, with a

qualification. No, not sure. I think, do you know what? A reporter is. A reporter is somebody that reports on something. Yeah, 100% all. Because I've been a journalist since I was 15 years old. People might think that's crazy. But I was writing myself before I was ever trained. And my definition of journalist as someone who wants to uncover stories that people don't want out there that people don't want to be talked about. So what's a writer? What's somebody that writes? What's a novelist?

What, so J.K. Rowling, when she sat down and wrote like Harry Potter, what she wasn't a writer? But hang on, this isn't the point at all, is it? The point is, no, anyone with a microphone or otherwise should be able to walk up to a man that is seeking election and also seeking to be the Prime Minister of Britain and be able to ask a simple question insofar as how he thinks he dealt with.

with the rape gangs, whether he thinks he did enough or went far enough. Whether you've got a swimming badge or, you know, some kind of certification from some university or polytechnical college here there or anywhere else is completely and utterly irrelevant. These politicians must answer the question. When was the last time a politician on the mainstream media, Kirstama or anybody else, answered a question? When was the last time prime minister's questions, the clue is in the question in the wording, answered a question.

This is all that's wrong with the mainstream media. So I just want to check in where we're at because, of course, that was a slight diversion, but it all came because Lauren the insider challenged Andy Burnham on the way in to the Make a Field count. He is now inside, and we are hearing that the result is imminent. And Connor Thomas, and you have been crunching the numbers all night. Can we assume this is a Labour victory coming? Well, according to the leaks, one would expect that. Burnham looked pretty confident.

And again, I don't think Lisa and Andy would be swanning about there, risking her role as culture secretary, if not, because it was two years ago, if I remember correctly. It was rumoured that Lisa and Andy would be Burnham's second in command. Oh, God Almighty. Well, so she's obviously in the Wigan area. She's a woman. And she has complained many times of sexist briefings against her

by the Downing Street Boys Club. So if you want to get a reforming of the culture in 10 Downing Street, who better than fresh-faced Andy Burnham, who certainly hasn't just been recycled throughout every Labor Department, Prime Minister, and Lisa Nandy, who has the bright idea of recycling 2014 feminism. Do you think Lisa Nandy might be briefed against just because she's crap? That is a fair example. I think that's a fair point.

She's dreadful. Absolutely dreadful. I mean, if you listen to her speech, I can't even listen to her speech because of the most horrendous lisp. Not that I've got a problem with people Lisp, but it's just painful to listen to. and she's now going to go and be part of it. I mean, it's going from bad to worse. It's going from bad. Who are they going to bring?

It's the next chancellor. Don't Abbot? No, no, no. The next chancellor is Ed Miliband. Haven't you heard? Seriously. And Angela Rainer will be Foreign Secretary. I mean, that deal would already have been done, seriously,

so that they don't challenge him so that Burnham gets a coronation. That's what he wants to fly out. Oh, my God. These cardboard cut out labor politicians. Angela Rainer in the White House. Yeah, yeah. And don't forget, you know, Lamy, no matter what, even though he's been loyal to Kirs Stama,

we'll still get a job. and we know why, because he's a DEI politician. That's going to happen. Just watch. And then, look, look forward to tomorrow now, or maybe not look forward, look forward with dread, on actually what's going to happen? If Burnham gets elected,

and it looks increasingly likely that he will, then obviously he'll immediately challenge Star. That's going to happen in the next two or three days by way of that 80 MP number being corralled. And then in the first, although it takes, I think, three or four months, isn't it, for a Labour leader to be elected. But mark my words, the honeymoon period for Burnham will be incredibly short.

And then people will realise that Andy Burnham is simply Kirstama in different clothes. Absolutely. The shape shifter, that's what we should be calling Andy Grosome. And I mean, the fact that Angela Rain is going to bowl up, what's she going to do? Go and visit Netanyahu and have a con. Can you imagine it? All right, love. But then roll forward.

So the honeymoon's over. We realise that Andy Burnham is worse than Kirstama. He's going to take the country even further to the left, particularly on things like the economy, immigration, defence, crime, and so on. And actually, for those of us sitting in this room, I hate to say this, but that's a good thing. And the reason it's a good thing is we can squabble about reform, restore and the Conservatives all day long. But what it will do is push people even further to the centre right and away from Labour when they realise that Andy Burnham is not the Messiah.

He is not. But do you know what is really sad about all of this is that if he does win, which is, he obviously has, which is we're going to find out soon, you know, those people in Makerfield have voted for this man in the hope that he's going to do something for them. And he will never be seen again. He will go down to London. He'll go to Downing Street. And those shops will stay closed and the crime will stay the way it is.

And all of things that they wanted to change won't change. And they'll have voted for that. And it's just so, it's actually quite tragic. Don't you think there is, I mean, an incredible super irony in a town, voting for someone in the Labour Party to get rid of someone that they already voted in as a country effectively that was part of the Labour Party.

I mean, that should not be lost on the stupidity of that. I mean, it's quite... The stupidity of saying, well, I know we tried Labour. It's a bit like, who was that chef that famously backed Kirstama in the run-ups of the general election. Oh, I know who you mean. Bored guy, big guy, I can't remember his name.

Not Heston Blumenthal. No, no, no, no, I know who you mean. I know who you mean. Backs, Kirstama, now admits that because of the way that the hospitality industry has been completely decimated by the Labour Party, he now backs Burnham. And you go, no, no, no, they're the same. They're the same thing. So you're effectively voting for the same thing that you've just criticised has destroyed your industry.

How stupid do you have to be? I don't know. I don't know. And that really upsets me. Because I just, as I said to you, I was up there last Friday. I was speaking to people who were saying, you know, this is wrong. My business has been destroyed. Da-da-da-da-da.

Look at the state of the town. I don't know. Yeah, but we're still going to vote Labour. I couldn't quite grasp it. I just could not quite grasp. I don't want to say stupidity because it's cruel to say that. But that's what it is. But it's the old adage, isn't it? If you do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result,

it's literally the sign of insanity. Okay. So, Connor, I think it's worth us just having a discussion about the numbers now, given this result is imminent, and it is about to be announced. Someone's at the podium, by the look. Someone is about to be at the podium, yes. So we're right ready and we will listen in. I think the candidates are coming up to the stage now.

We just take this shot from Sly News. I thought that was Dolly Parton there? Who's that? And there's a few checks being made. Okay, let's just take it with the sound down. So that Connor, we can listen to, we'll listen as soon as the results announced. But what numbers should we be looking for?

What is a good number here for reform UK? and for Restore Britain. If reform crosses the threshold of 32% vote share, then they would have equalled or exceeded what Rob Kenyon got last time in 2024, and given at the top of the polls, you'd expect them to exceed that. That would be a good, strong second place finish, as Sarah Pochin said, was their success criteria, same with Gwain Tala. Restore Britain, need to, for a properly strong showing,

need to get above double digits. It would be good to narrow the gap between them. and reform because then they could plausibly say that they turned out enough low propensity voters and that they made a more persuasive case to people on the doorstep with Rebecca Shepard for reform voters possibly to flip and put their trust in them. So if Restore get something between 12 and 15%, they can call it an excellent night. If reform get anything lower than 30%, they might start questioning why their vote share is dipped, even though they're now more prominent than ever.

many Hayne from a restore Britain perspective, is this just about keeping the deposit? Is that a success or do you need to get to 10%? Oh my God, no. I think we need to. Look, ultimately, it's four and a half months old. You know, we've had no exposure on mainstream media at all. You know, everything. We've been told that you'll get one, two percent. You know, look, ultimately, we're at the beginning of our journey, right? And I do believe, and this is a very, very, very, This is a Labour stronghold. This is the north of England. This is the Red Wall.

You know, all of those things. So I think we'll have done very, very well, have we get to 8, 9, 10%. Ultimately, had this been somewhere else, like Essex or Kent, very, very different story, right? So let's just see what happens. But you know what?

We all worked hard. The team put in a lot of effort. Rebecca was great. You know, I can't knock it. I'm really proud to be part of Restore. Russell, for reform, what's a disaster? What's a success here?

Well, I just want to ask order a question. Are you saying that if you get less than 10% it's a failure for restore? No, absolutely not. Nothing's a failure. Okay. If we got no vote, if we've got a vote, we've offered somebody in all terms of.

I think given the maths here in terms of what we talked about in terms of the reform versus restore dynamic, I suspect, look, if reform get 30% and restore get 10% and the Conservatives at 3 or 4%, you can argue, I think, that the right, let's talk about it being the right rather than reform versus restore, have done OK in an incredibly red seat. I do think, though, that all of us,

whether it's those on the right that are presenters, hosts and pundits, or those that are actually members or non-journalists, that are members of reform and restore. I'm not suggesting anything in terms of any formal agreement. What I am going to suggest now, though, is that this might be a lesson in a minute to those of us on the right,

that are now really, really scared about what could be coming down the tracks, and that is a Labour Green Coalition at the next general election. So don't you think, and I don't know how this happens, and I know there are big personalities involved, don't you think that the right needs to unite? I don't think it's possible, is it? Isn't it now, Conner?

Isn't it? Because it's... You only want to unite now. That restores a problem. Take the rosettes off. I want to... He wants to save his kids here. the right to be sensible as an electable way forward in government rather than Labour and the Green Party,

which will be catastrophic for this country. That is the point of no return. You get Zach Palanski and Andy Burnham together in coalition. This country is done. Oh my God, yeah. I'll be out of it by then. See you later. But, but, but, but Russell, in all seriousness, though, I'm going to live with Dan's family. That doesn't mean that Reform UK is prepared to step down in any seats. I'm not here writing the deal down. But this is the problem. Reform UK are not prepared to compromise. That's way above my pay grade, as you can probably imagine. I'm just an underling.

I'm just a mere minion when it comes to elected reform politicians. What I'm just suggesting is the principle of trying to find a way forward. That surely is the sensible narrative to be having. And I'm suggesting it now, because if we're not having that conversation over the next few days as the right, then I think wo betide us because we are going to end up with a Labour Green Coalition at the next general election

whether that's called this year because Andy Burnham thinks he can win it which he won't by the way or whether it waits into a 2029 we can squabble we can bicker we're not that far apart reform and restore policy wise are not that far apart I'm just saying let's try and save Britain

by being sensible so there are obviously some differences on policy but I agree on some of the some of the foundations of these reformers were caught up to restore in many instances. Sorry, caught up to restore. Yeah.

So, well, Farrell said mass deportations to political impossibility in 2024. And then after pressure, predominantly from Donald Trump, he then gave to it. I mean, that's factually true. But on the point, I said this earlier, the problem you're going to have, though,

is, and look, I don't, I don't disagree. Look, you know, I'm worried about my interview too. That's my primary drive. I don't care who fixes the problem so long as they fixed. The problem you're going to have, have. And this is partly the egos that won't ever let it happen. It's a zero-sum question because there are some people that are on the right, let's say, who do not place faith in the

particular characters in reform to execute their vision no matter what they promise. And they've failed the character test. And they failed the character test of their own accord. Like just their behavior, the fact that they've broken promises, how they treated one another. And that's the reason restore exists, unfortunately. It would be nice if we're all unified, but that's just not the case because of how people have behaved. And so I don't see it happening just because you're asking people to essentially be better characters than they're capable of being. Shame, isn't it? So can I just explain to our international viewers, because we've got a lot of people from Australia and America watching,

that what we're about to see is one of the sort of beautiful quirks of British politics now. where we have a likely future Prime Minister, Connor, who is going to be lining the stage, along with, shall we say, some political attention seekers, but who make up a sort of character of a British election night, right? Like the, what are they called? You know, like Count bin face. And the character of the Monster Raven Looney Party, who looks like...

I met him in the pub. He bonkers. He looks like a... because it's 3 a.m. My memory's fading me. George Galloway. It looks like George Galloway in the mask out for it. Yeah, that's what you wore the other.

Though I, so maybe it's just because I've never really, you know, I'm 27, I've never really known of Britain where we can actually kind of laugh at these things. It would be great if we had this frivolity in a time where stakes weren't so high. But now I just see it as just a total waste of everybody's time. Like, I find it really hard to laugh at, Count Binface as, and I'm sorry to put it bluntly,

are the entire country getting raped to death? No, I know, I know. I understand that. It is part of, it is part of British politics. There was always a raving loony party. I mean, Russell, what do you think? Is this part of the fun, or is Connor right, actually, that this is far too serious anymore for these sort of British political frivolities?

I think it demonstrates our ability to, I guess, mock ourselves and our ability to kind of take democracy to the nth degree, if you like. I think it's fine. I think it wouldn't be fine if Count Binface now gets a majority and beats Andy Burnham. Oh, actually, I think I'd prefer it. Or reform. No, no, what I'm really concerned about watching the pictures here,

and Andy Burnham kind of on manoeuvres already, Britain is about to do, thanks to Maker Field, by the looks of it, what it always does, which is to elect someone to power that is an identicate cookie-cutter politician. And again, we are going to expect a different result in terms of how our borders are protected, how crime is tackled, how our economy performs.

We're mad, aren't we? We are mad. But you know what? Do you know what? If I hadn't been in Makerfield and I hadn't spoken to people at the weekend, I would be livid and really upset now looking at this. But I knew this was coming

because I spoke to these people. And it wasn't even like, oh, you know, maybe they were adamant that they would vote Labour. They were adamant. And I just thought... Do you think there's an element of kind of Makerfield ego centricity, if you like, where they've reveled in the fact that they can effectively elect, not just an MP, but a prime minister?

I don't know. So, I mean, it's quite a cool thing, isn't it? If you're in Makerfield, who I have to say, many people have not even heard of until six or seven weeks ago, we're going to be responsible for putting that man in Downing Street. It's kind of cool, dangerous, stupid, reckless. Have you since that all? Because actually, what I seem to pick up is quite the opposite,

which is that the locals in Makerfield are very, very concerned about the state of the country. And they are sort of programmed to believe in Labor. But, you know, if this was a Stama, a proposition of Stama staying, we all agree. There's no way Labor would be winning this. You know, Burnham is winning this to get Stammer out, even for Labour voters. Starmes hated up north, but they see Burnham as, they see Burnham as like a, I don't know, who do we see in Essex as someone. who, I don't know, Danny Dyer.

No, but they see him as, you know, he understands us. He's one of us. He's a northern, you know, he's a man. And they see him as such a genuine hero. I find that astonishing. This cast our minds back to May June 2024, when Kirstarmer and his acolytes was saying exactly the same stuff.

Things can only get better. They sang, literally from the rooftops. That's what they said. We are going to put country first, drain the swamp. We're going to do this, this, this and this. It's all going to be fantastic. They believe it. Everything going forward is going to be kind of, you know, paved with honey and, you know, be jewelled this and the other.

And of course it was political nonsense. It was lies. How do we get caught out by Burnham doing it again? That is a really interesting point, though, because what does Burnham say? This is his moment. The entire country, in fact, the entire world are watching him. Does he make a local speech? Are we really going to live through this political farce where Burnham gets a.

up and pretends that this is just about becoming a local MP? Or is this going to be the start of a leadership challenge? It's going to be the start of the lead. But he'll play the game for tonight. Which is just ludicrous because we all know what's going on. I'll tell you what this is like. Imagine you, imagine somebody, you know, you, there being an election and you contemplating voting for the left.

You just couldn't do it, could you? You just could not contemplate voting for the left. I did ask a certain Mr. Peter Barnes the other day on a different show if as someone that lived in Makerfield and is a conservative if he would vote for reform to keep Burnham out. And he said, no, I'd vote for Burnham. That's the state of us. That's the state of us.

I mean, all I was going to say was, sometimes it's just so absolutely alien to you to do anything other than you've been programmed to do that you just can't bring yourself to do it. I get that. I do get the traditional vote. You know, my dad, my grandfather voted and all that. But in the face of such substantial evidence, I mean...

Doesn't matter, babe. Doesn't matter. It also, and I shouldn't say this, but it's the most poignant example I can use. You know, and I don't want to kind of bring the whole Sarah Poaching domestic violence back into it, but it's almost like the domestic violence victim that keeps getting hit. And because the perpetrator says, I won't do it again, they say to their friends with the black eye and the cauliflower ear or whatever, yeah, it's okay, he said he won't do it again. And I think Labour voters are perpetuating.

It's almost a domestic violence of Britain. on the basis they now think that Andy Burnham, the shapeshifter, is going to be any less violent politically than Kirstama. I know. It's tragic. Okay, so we are watching the candidates in the make-a-field by-election prepare to take the stage because a result is intimate. And there is this ludicrous thing. Exactly, because they discussed this on the British bashing corporation show,

which, of course, your candidate, Rebecca Shepard, I don't think was even invited to, Ola. And because of the name, I think they line up an alphabetical order, Andy Burnham thought it was very funny that he is going to be standing next to Count Binfaced. And you know what? I know people might call me a bit po-faced. I'm actually with Conor Tomlinson on this. I think it's really embarrassing.

Who's this Roscoe P. Coltrane guy that seems to be... Who's up already with his walking stick. He's one of the villains from the Republican Party and The Simpsons. Yes. I mean, that is Dusty Bin. You won't remember you. Well, you won't. Can you do it?

You can actually do it? Oh, my God. You can't. That wasn't it? He doesn't know what it is. Is there some sort of like secret signs? Yes, it is. It's a cult.

It's a cult to perform and restore. I'm joking. It basically was a game show on a Saturday night in the 80s. Ted Rogers. Ted Rogers. He had a dusty, he had a bin like that. It was the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen. Try and find it on YouTube.

You'll laugh, but for all the wrong reasons. Yeah. Okay, we are told that Nigel Farage will definitely not be at the count. Is that a surprise to you, Russell Quirk? No, no, I think he's being magnanimous and leaving it to the candidate, Robert Kenyon. And why wouldn't you do that? Connor? I think he's probably avoiding any running with Brutelow, to be honest with you. No, I think he just knows that he hasn't won. He just can't be bothered it. He's gone back to London.

But I think this was a very sensible decision, wasn't it, for Rupert to be it? the count hauler. Yeah, 100%. It's very much worked for him. Yeah, and at the end of the day, with all due respect, Rupa has been absolutely, you know, behind Rebecca the whole way. He's not going to leave her at the last minute,

you know, regardless of whether, you know, she hasn't done well or she hasn't done well, he's not going to dump her in it. Also, it would have been, I think, good optics for Farage to go there. Because if you're anticipating that being the matchup in 2029, then you might as well do the stare down now, right? Okay, the results are coming. we will listen in eminently.

I will just tell you that the Andy Burnham organized Louise Haig, she is no fan of Sipri Starma, because she was, of course, sacked as his transport secretary, has said that Andy won't do anything rash or hasty. We really don't want to prejudice any kind of discussion. I really hope the PM and Andy can have that discussion and come to an agreement between themselves. So that is the breaking news that it looks like

they are wanting a deal. Let's listen in and we're going to get the result imminently. By the other candidates and finds himself in between a fox and Count Binface, would you believe? Ludicrous. But we are a serious country, I promise. I think it's Angela Rainer.

I declare the result. It is really, really important that I say a massive thank you. Thank you to all of you for your patience this evening and a massive thank you to our elections team, to all of the counting staff, to the staff from across Wigan Council, to Greater Manchester Police, to all our partners,

and to all of the staff at the edge. You've been absolutely fantastic, and you've done an amazing job. So thank you so much. Okay, here we go. We've waited all night. The declaration of a result of the poll, election of a member of Parliament for Makerfield constituency on Thursday, the 18th of June.

I, Alison Mackenzie Fowland, being the acting returning officer at the above election, do hereby give notice that the number of votes recorded for each candidate at the said election is as follows. Austin Jake, Liberal Democrats, 163. Harvey Jonathan David, commonly known as Count Binface, the Count Binface Party, 95. Andrew Murray, commonly known as Andy Burnham, the Labour and Cooperative Party, 24,920. I think he's done it with that, that's 45,000, isn't it? He thinks he's done it with that. Clark, Daniel, David, commonly known as Dan Clark, the Libertarian Party, 18.

Dieter John Alfred, Independent, 37. You count to later out, Russell, to work out the percentage just for a store, please. commonly known as Ed Gemmel the climate party 18 yes Gould Paul Richard independence eight hope Alan commonly known as howling Lord Hope the official monster raving loony party 45 Kenyon commonly known as Rob Kenyon Reform UK 15,696 Robert Neal independent 18

Shepard Rebecca Lee Restore Britain 3,111 The President The Green Party 308 Ward Peter Mark, rejoin EU bringing PR 35 Winstanley Michael William the Conservative Party candidate 997 There you go. The number of ballot papers rejected was as follows. One of official Mark Nill.

Voting for more candidates than the voter was entitled to 9. Writing or mark by which voter could be identified. Okay, so we're going to wait for Andy Burnham to speak here. But while we are doing that, just to clarify, big win for Andy Burnham, but a very impressive second place finish by Robert Kenyon of reform. form UK, and I think Restore Britain will be very disappointed with that, won't they, Connor? Yeah, definitely. And I think, unfortunately, I don't wish to be too harsh, but the criticisms of Rebecca being not very rhetorically sharp seems to have landed. Okay, Andy Burnham's just been declared

the winner. Let's cross to him now. He's likely to speak. Well, I made applause from the crowds. Andy Burnham shakes the hands of those who stood against him, a resounding victory for him. And now the winner is about to make a speech. He did not dump a nuclear reactor. The 27 years you've been legally threatening me. This is not a nonsense. Go to the site and watch the three-hour video.

Shell killed an ITV-1 documentary about them dumping this. Okay, so there's... There's a protest. It seems someone has stood forward. A political speech being made from the stage there. And that was clearly a candidate. It has triggered others to do the same by the look of it. So this is now just a complete embarrassment.

It's a clown show. This is an embarrassment for Britain. Everyone realizes that the nation is watching this moment. And they've decided to make their views known. But it's really all about Andy Burnham, who's waiting his turn to make a speech before the presiding officer steps in. All those other ridiculous. that's just an embarrassment.

What a just shameful. It is an embarrassment. And it looks like Andy Burnham has actually lived. So that is fascinating. Okay, so Andy Burnham is not going to speak. Oh, he's coming back. That is what we're trying to do. And that is what we will do.

Thank you. So it's turned into a circus. Okay, Andy Burnham is coming back on there will be one speech from the winning candidate. Can I thank everybody who has worked so hard to make this election run so smoothly and so safely. Thank you very much everybody. And can I say to my fellow candidates, yes, all of you, can I say to you all, thank you for at least a civil debate between us, if not everything going around the

going around the election, we managed that and that's really important. Everyone knows that politics isn't working. Everyone can feel that the country isn't where it should be. Tonight, could, just could, be the turning point. From here on, I will give everything I have got to make it so to ensure the name Maker Field is forever synonymous with bringing about the change this country needs, bringing back something we've lost, hope for the future. I am proud that this place has shone in the world's spotlight these last five weeks, and the warmth, humour and hospitality of its people has been on show for all to see. It will never be a stepping stone. to me, but instead will be my touchstone.

A make a field test at the heart of British politics will ensure the places Westminster has neglected will now get fairness. I spoke in the campaign about the need to change politics. I promised to lead by example from the front as your Member of Parliament. I know people who traditionally vote for the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, and perhaps more recently in May for Reform, UK, have given me their support in this election.

I will always have respect to them for that. And out of respect for them, I will always take a place first rather than a party-first approach. And I will focus on problem-solving rather than put them. and I will work hard after this by-election to heal the divisions of this campaign and let it be really understood that I will be your MP however you voted when this borough went to the polls in May it made a loud cry for change in this campaign we have begun to answer that but I do say to my own party this is a final chance to change. This is what people said directly to me on the hundreds of doorsteps that I stood on.

We must hear it. We must act upon it and we must get it right. There will be no second chance. But it is a chance now from this result tonight to build a new politics based on unity and hope, turning away from the path that takes us to a divided, dark politics of the kind we see in the United States. We must now take this path and put this country back on the right path and bring people back together and get things working properly again.

It is with some sadness that this result brings an end to my wonderful nine years as Mayor, of Greater Manchester. This city region has given so much to me and it is a wrench to leave the job I love. But I am not leaving

the service of Greater Manchester. I've always been clear that it can't achieve everything it should be and we can't close the North-South divide and we can't make all the great English cities be what they should be

without big change at the national level. I always knew one day I would seek to go back to Westminster to complete that unfinished business so that Maker Field and Greater Manchester and the north of England can fulfil their potential. And I will forever be grateful to the people here, the people of the wonderful places that make up this constituency, the proud places that always have deserved so much more.

I will forever be grateful to them that they have given me the chance to go back and make this country work for Makerfield. And there are many places like it across the country who have been neglected, who feel that the country works for other people in other places but not for them. And that changes tonight.

This result changes that. This result will bring about a country that works fairly for everywhere and for everybody. People here have voted for change. They have voted for more power for the North and everywhere forgotten by Westminster. They have voted for hope. Now let's give that back to them. Thank you very much indeed, everybody. Okay, so an extraordinary speech by Andy Burnham,

That man is the next Prime Minister. There is no way that slippery Stama will survive after what has been a comprehensive result. The percentages are absolutely fascinating here. So Labor has taken 55.5% of the vote. Reform UK, 35% of the vote. Restore Britain, still a huge result, completely unexpected, 6.9% of the vote, something that would have been unthinkable just a few weeks ago. and a result, let's just be honest about it,

that could still deprive Reform UK of a majority if a general election were to be held tomorrow. It also shows the total collapse of the Conservative Party in the Red Wall. Remember we were saying earlier in the show, they were at about 34% when Boris Johnson won in 2019, 2.2% for the Conservative Party candidate, Michael Wynne Stanley, who is himself a popular local figure. So this is a seismic result. And actually, I know there is going to be some disappointment

within Restore Britain, but 6.9%. If someone had told you that, Ola, a few weeks ago, you would have taken that, right? Look, I mean, yes, I expected better. I did. But we know that when we spoke to people, and I said this right from the outset, so many people said that they would vote for reform this time to keep labour out, right? That was the idea. and that was that that that resonated a lot throughout the weekend ultimately we have beaten conservative and lib dem and green in this in this election so i think that's something to be proud of you know we can look back and say should have would have could have we can all do that um but you know ultimately we've put ourselves on the map four and a half months in i think that's pretty good

going with no media exposure so look let's just see where this takes us it was going to be a hard it was hard graft. I would have like 10%. But, you know, we're just beginning. So I'm positive. I'm not going to be negative about this. A couple of thoughts, if possible. The servation polling for Restore

seems to be pretty much correct, after all. If anything, they massively understated Andy Burnham's levels and slightly overstated reforms. But the other thing for Restore here is that you might quibble with this, Russell, but I mean, people in reform have basically been saying been useful to even have restored sort of drag us right wood. They clear the minds for us, and then we can occupy some of the ground that some people in HQ

have already wanted to occupy. And I do think, just being fair, again, you know, my friends run the party, so I hope I don't get in trouble. If the election result will dent their capacity to drag reform rightward, if they, if they only pose this size of a threat in by-elections, of course this was a very difficult one because, you know, Andy Beldon takes 55%. even if you added reform and restore up, wasn't going to make it. But the threat that is posed by restore is what forces reform to adopt the policies,

which reform would actually win a general election with if they promised them, like arshund deportations or the death penalty. Now you'll see a sort of placency, I think, setting in about the competition between reform and restore because of this result, and only a better result would turn that around. Yeah, look, I don't think reform should be complacent about rest. at all. I'm not suggesting we aren't, but we absolutely shouldn't. I do think 6.8% of the vote is disappointing. I think Rupert Lowe will be very disappointed driving back home this evening. He would have expected better, given everything that was thrown at Makerfield. But I'll tell

what's really interesting out the numbers is actually reform of increased their share of the vote versus the general election in 2024. So we polled at 26% two years ago, now polling at 34% in today's election. But look at actually what's happened. So take the restore reform dynamic out of this just for a second. The Conservatives, the swing against the Conservatives is nearly 9%. So absolutely devastating. Now, I know that they just won a seat in Aberdeen.

I suspect there might be some kind of local dynamic there. Aberdeen, I don't think, is particularly typical of the Scottish electorate in that it's a bit of an outlier in terms of the local economy there. the Greens down 3.7% hurrah. And the Lib Dems, the Lib Dems that Dan and Connor and Aller, surely the Lib Dems, with all the political shenanigans that are going on right now, the Lib Dems should really be a benefactor, shouldn't they? Not there.

But hence it's not actually. So let's not say that this is a barometer of Britain in terms of how this would then reflect on a general election result. I do believe that the bad news, I guess, for the right, is what this result shows, is that the left are much, much better. at coalescing and organising around each other. But look, thank you so much. Russell Quirk of Reform UK,

all a mini Hayne of Restore Britain. Excellent coverage all night. We're going to cross back now to James Matthewson, who is going to react from a left-wing perspective to that result. James, surely now there is no way that Stama can hang on. No, God, no. Kia Starrmas don't.

But Kea Stomers yesterday's news. In fact, this might be the last time you talk about Kea Starmard damage. I'm sure you'll be thrilled about. Oh, yeah. He's evil, remember. And I mean that. I've heard that apparently tonight. But you might have to start finding issues with the new glorious leader to come in,

which I'm sure will be Andy Burnham within potentially days, but also don't forget that he's not that keen to make the first move. But somebody like West Street and might make that decision. Well, this is what I was going to say, because you know the machinations within the Labour Party and what do you make of the fact that Louise Haig is effectively saying we want a deal, we just want Stama to step down?

Is that what's going to happen over the next few days? Is the world and his wife within the Labour Party going to be saying to Stama, you've just got to go? You've just got to go now, fool? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. because before it was like, you know, the writing's on the wall, it's come in, but like now he has to see that it's done. Because the only thing that is left for Keir Stama now is humiliation. And nobody wants that. Like, I know you think he's evil. I don't. I think he's a nice guy. Nobody deserves to be humiliated like that. He doesn't have political and noose. He doesn't have any political ability. But surely to God, you can see what would happen if he stood in a leadership election when he was challenged. He would be trounced. And he probably wouldn't even come second. or third place behind other candidates. So Andy Burnham will be the next leader of the Labour Party.

Andy Burnham will be the next Prime Minister of Britain. His next challenge is taking what he's done tonight, which I think is fantastic. I thought I would have been pleased with a 3,000 majority. Andy Burnham has just won't make a field with a 9,000 vote majority of 44% increase by my maths. And that's a 44% increase on the election. in 2024 for Labour.

He's just increased their majority for them in the seat when they thought they might lose it. So this is a man who can now export this strategy to the country. And I think he's the only person as a result of that who can resolve. Okay, well, I want to bring in from Reform UK, James Benbridge, and also the independent political commentator, Peter C. Barnes. Peter, what's your take on this result? Is this disappointment tonight for Restore Britain

or actually is 6.9% of the vote, bloody incredible. To be fair, I predicted about 5% on the 19th of May that that's realistically all they needed to get because all they had to do was land to blow. Draw a little bit of blood and I proved that they could exist and they could at least survive. That was all they really needed to do in this by-election. I think any idea that they would get, you know,

like this kind of 11 or 12% or something like that. It would have been nice for them. You know, it's just making it a little bit more exciting. But realistically, that was a big ask. This is actually an astounding victory for Andy Burnham. To increase on this percentage and all the rest of it is astounding. However, the thing you have to remember, the machine is incredible. Andy Burnham has a huge election machine behind him.

Not only a personal brand, but then the Labour Party as well, are able to mobilize activists very easily, very quickly. And apparently there was like 3,000 activists there today alone. So their ability to knock on doors and kind of data gather has been incredible. What I will say, though, is reform can't blame restore for this loss. That is the big bit that we really can take away on the right of all of this. And that is going to annoy reform no end. Because now they're going to have to do a little bit of soul searching,

a little bit of accountability, a little bit of, well, wait a minute, It's not the buggy man. It's not Rupert Low. And that's because the percentage of restore votes would still not have given a win. Yes, without a doubt. So James Bembridge, reforms really got a look at its actual strategy again, doesn't it? Well, they may have to.

And, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. You know, they've still got about two years. Why is it two years to next general election? Well, you hope. But actually, James, isn't that the very interesting question here? Do you think, James Matthewson, do you think Burnham will end up calling an early election, given reforming seems to be in a bit of trouble, the rights divided? You've got to remember that Gordon Brown never lived down. The Brown is a bottler.

You know, the Tory stand dressed as bottles outside of Down Street. When he took over without going for the election, Burnham's never said he would go for it. So there's a bit of a difference there. But does he go for... I mean, look at this, right? We've been told by people including yourself, Dan, that there's this tidal wave on the right coming and that, you know, the people are going to speak,

they're going to make their voices heard and they haven't. They voted for Andy Burnham in Makerfield. Does he think that that will translate? And I'm not passing comment on whether this will or not to the rest of the country. Can he export this strategy out to the rest of the country? And what will the start of his premiership look like? How messy will this be?

I'll tell you who has a lot to play into that question. question is Kea Stama. Because if he doesn't step down, if he doesn't accept the inevitable, then he could make this a very messy start by Andy Burnham. He could really taint what is to come. And he's furious, James. And look, if you can trust the people around him, I don't know if you can trust the people around him. But if you can trust the people around them, they say, there's no way. There is no way he's standing down. Yeah. He's not built for it. Look, I say what you like about the guy, he is very dedicated and committed. That's great when you're a civil servant, right? It's great when you need to get bits of legislation. No, he's evil. James, you're not

understanding this. When are you going to work out? None of this comes from a good place. The man is evil and twisted. We'll have to, we'll have to agree to disagree on that particular point. What we, at the end of the day, what we realize with this next few weeks is pivotal will be whether or not the the Labour Party can put egos to one side and what everybody wants and what West Street and wants, what Kia Starma wants, and realize that this is the writing on the wall. This is the guy you've got and this is the chance. It's the one chance to do it. Amazing. James, thank you so much. Brilliant left wing analysis. Lauren, the insider is with us in Makerfield. And Lauren, just before we speak to you, I want to play that extraordinary moment.

Earlier in the night, when Andy Burnham arrives at the count, and you directly ask him, directly ask him to speak to survivors of the rape gangs, and he says nothing. I think it just says so much about our future Prime Minister. Watch this, Lauren. Andy Burnham, I just want to ask you on behalf of survivors of the grooming gangs. Do you think you've done enough? Let me tell you, on behalf of children that were raped and failed,

You haven't done enough. And that is why people are backing Restore. Thank you, Andy Burnham. Over to you in the studio, Dan. And what was he like? Did he look at you? Did he consider talking? No, he didn't consider at all.

He had head down. He was marching. Pretended that I didn't exist. And this is what is so frustrating, Dan, as well, because we know that legacy media never ask these politicians, the questions that people at home want to know. They never ask the important questions. We see the likes of Laura Coonsberg.

Just ask absolute tosh. And the same with, oh, what's the silly one? She's so irrelevant. Oh, Beth Rickby. Beth. Beth from slide. But people are fed up of it. And this is what, you know,

He can't answer it. And we've heard his speech, but what will really be different? This is just absolute PR spin from him. Well, Lauren, you have done God's work in Makerfield today. Connor Tomlinson. Final word to you. Does the Makerfield result change British politics on the left and the right? Does this restore Britain result really give Reform UK pause for thought?

I think reforms underperforming will give them poor support, including in Scotland. I think they'll be slightly less spooked about Restore at the next by-election going forward, but Restore can continue to heat pressure on them policy-wise and threaten to eat into their vote share, and especially they'll feel a lot more pressure if Restore perform better next time. I do think, though, and that this is in no way cope for either Restore or Reform. This is an uncharacteristic by-election just because of the presence of Andy Burnham. claiming he was just the X-Factor. To be fair, you had to, both campaigns had to deal with him.

He was going to be a factor, and both campaigns failed to actually do anything about him. What I will say is restore have the same problem with reform. You can't go around blaming voters for this. This is not the people that make a failure's fault. This is Restore and Reform who didn't campaign hard enough, did not give a positive vision of what they wanted. Andy Burnham, when you actually listen to him campaign, it's the future, the future, the future. Everything that Restore or even Reform focus on is yesterday, and how terror. it is. People know that. They want a little bit of hope. You don't have to give them false hope,

but just a bit of hope. And I think that is the bit that the right has to learn is actually how to positive campaign now. And I think that's one thing the right can really take from this by-election, because the idea of a coalition or anything like that, it's off the table. No one likes each other. So let's be real about that. But no, if reform actually take a moment and develop some self-awareness, which it's a big ask, I suppose, but you never know, miracles can happen. You know, they actually might be able to understand why they lost. It is that question if they answer it incorrectly, whether they even make it to the next general election.

Well, look, it has been absolutely fascinating. I have loved it. One more thing, though, Dan. Oh, they always want the final word. Okay, go on, James. Go on. But do we think that Starmer has like a humiliation fetish or something? Yes.

It's the only explanation as to why he stays on it is. Look, as you said, he is a literal psychopramac. He is the definition of us. psychopath. Look, I've loved this. I hope that everyone has enjoyed this because it has been so great doing this broadcast outside of the mainstream media. Conner Thomason, you've been absolutely amazing with me all night. James Bembridge, we always love your contributions on behalf of Reform UK. And Peter C. Barnes, what I love about you is you are one of those fearless, independent commentators who doesn't mind who you annoyed. Oh, a plague on all your

houses. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Now, I'm going to have to get some sleep because don't worry, we have a totally normal show for you tomorrow. Because tomorrow's show, or it's actually today's show. Yeah. Today's show. Shoot, what is it? Because it's 3.35 a.m. Yeah, 3.35 a.m. UK time. You too. Got it. You've done so well. But we will have a normal show later on today. 5pm, UK time, midday Eastern, 9 in Pacific. All I ask is that if this is your first time watching Outspoken, please do hit the subscribe button. It honestly helps us so much as an independent. show brand new, subscribing. It's totally free, but it means the world to us. Also, please do subscribe to the brilliant Tomlinson talks on YouTube and the brilliant Lauren, the insider on

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