Dan Wootton Outspoken - MANCHESTER LEADS ISLAMIST TAKEOVER PLOT OF UK AFTER ANDY BURNHAM COUP TO DEPOSE KEIR STARMER AS PM

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Andy Burnham’s Islamist plot to allow a Muslim takeover of the Disunited Kingdom is exposed as Elon Musk brings to the attention of the world horrifying video of the reality of l...ife under the mayor in Manchester. No wonder more and more patriots are turning to alternatives, with a bombshell poll of Sun readers revealing 59 per cent want Rupert Lowe to become the next Prime Minister, with the Restore Britain leader receiving twice the support of Nigel Farage as he speaks out to Patrick Bet David. Yet Piers Morgan and Simon Jordan decided to bully John Terry on air for supporting Rupert. A divided Labour under Burnham is an even bigger danger, as Slippery Starmer’s power pathetically ebbs away. After Dan's Digest, the Superstar Panel: Father Calvin Robinson – host of the Common Sense Crusade on YouTube, producer of the Liz Truss Show Charlie Sansom who is guest hosting Richie and Rogue: Unfiltered tonight, and the co-host of the bold new podcast Broken Custodians Molly Kingsley of the campaigning organisation for children UsForThem. PLUS: Alex Phillips erupts at Rupert Lowe live on Talk TV as the Reform vs Restore feud becomes ever more toxic. We’ll show you what happened. AND: The biggest TV star in Australia, legendary Today Show host Karl Stefanovic, has been sacked by Channel Nine. His only crime? Interviewing Tommy Robinson in London. We’ll show you the interview that ended his career. THEN IN THE ROYAL UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: The Royal Family prepares to take away Meghan Markle’s devices before any meeting with King Charles as Prince Harry’s bid for a royal return filters. We’ll hear from Tom Bower and then have analysis with royal YouTube sensation According2Taz. To watch in full, please subscribe at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:56 This is outspoken episode number 523. And guess what? It's the hottest June day ever here in the United Kingdom. I'm celebrating it. Aren't you loving this? Isn't it wonderful to have a little bit of hot, hot, hot heat? Well, apparently the mainstream media think this is a very bad thing. Look at GB News today with Dr. Schilleri, no less, sharing NHS heatwave survival tips.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Good Lord, that channel has changed a lot. None of that here. let's get to the real news. Because breaking right now, Andy Burnham's Islamist plot to allow a Muslim takeover of the disunited kingdom has been exposed, as Elon Musk brings to the attention of the world horrifying video of the reality of life under the mayor in Manchester. So no wonder more and more patriots are turning to political alternatives with a bombshell new poll of Sun readers, revealing 59% want Rupert Lowe to become the next Prime Minister, with the Restore Britain leader receiving twice the support of Nigel Farage as he speaks out to Patrick Bet, David.
Starting point is 00:02:27 You in America seem to care more about this than most of our institutions in the UK. I mean, I would defund the BBC tomorrow. It's a malign monopoly. They haven't reported on this at all, as you said. That is just amazing to think that BBC, that was once recognized as one of the most reputable, you know, media franchises in the world hasn't reported on this once. Yeah, Piers Morgan and Simon Jordan have decided to bully John. on Terry on air for his support of Lowe. I see that you have liked a few tweets of Rupert Lowe's.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Now, having done business with Rupert Lowe, I don't know, I wouldn't elect him to a parish council. But if you were playing again, John, and Rupert Lowe was the chairman of Southampton, would you have signed for such a wonderful leader then? Definitely not. Okay, then, Simon, you will allow the daily invasion. which is changing British culture every single week. A divided Labour party under Burnham is an even bigger danger and Slippery Stama's power is now pathetically ebbing away.
Starting point is 00:03:57 She lives next door to him, but wouldn't even come out to stand by him during his resignation speech. She was too busy getting ready for a selfie with the new leader. Brought back from the wilderness by this man and when the going got tough, he jumped into bed with the mayor of Manchester. It's not the first time he's betrayed someone close to him, is it? After the Digest, the superstar panel here, Father Calvin Robinson, host of the Common Sense Crusade on YouTube,
Starting point is 00:04:25 producer of the Liz Trush Show, Charlie Sansom, who is guest hosting Richie and Rogue Unfiltered Tonight, and the co-host of the bold new podcast, Broken Custodians, Molly Kingsley, of the campaigning organization for children, us for them. Also coming up on the show today, Alex Phillips, erupts at Rupert Lowe, live on Talk TV as this reform versus restore feud becomes ever more toxic. I'm going to show you what happened. And the biggest TV star in Australia, legendary today's show host Carl Stefanovic has been sacked by Channel 9, his only crime
Starting point is 00:05:05 interviewing Tommy Robinson in London. So we're going to show you this discussion that has now ended his MSM career. This is the biggest story in Australia right now. Trust me, it's really interesting. Then in the Royal Uncanceled After Show over on Substack, the Royal Family prepares to take away Megan Markle's devices before any meeting with King Charles. We'll hear from Tom Bauer and then have analysis with Royal YouTube sensation according to Tats. We'll also reveal a brand new Greatest Britain and Juni and Jackass before the end of the show. You know how it works. You can vote right now for the worst Britain in the world today in the live chat on YouTube. Here are your nominees. from the superstar panel, Father Calvin Robinson has gone for Zach Polanski for his climate hysteria whining during very hot weather like today, which I'm enjoying.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Charlie's gone for Sadiq Khan for saying we need maximum temperature limits in the workplace. And Molly Kingsley has gone for Ian Murray for his role in proposing the Watch This Space Green Paper, which contains proposals to create an effective monopoly for legacy media in the public square. Honestly, it's sick, it's chilling. And this is what we're going to get even more of under Andy Burnham. So let's go. Given the Islamist takeover plot, Andy Burnham is about to inflict on the disunited kingdom after the way he ran Manchester,
Starting point is 00:06:29 supporting a dramatic political alternative should no longer be viewed as extreme, but should be viewed as necessary. Which is why a bombshell new poll among readers of the sun my former newspaper, but a newspaper which now rejects Tommy Robinson as a far-right thug, a newspaper which endorsed Slippery Stama to be Prime Minister, should wake up the entire mainstream media and political class. Because when its readers were asked who should be the next PM, the results were overwhelming and shocking in equal measure.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Look at this. Burnham for Labour, 4.3%. Baderoc, for the Tories, 8.7%. Perrage for reform, which the sum now seems to be getting behind, 26.4%. But Rupert Lowe, for Restore Britain, 59%. And what's interesting is that it shows the waning influence of the mainstream media, because the rape gang report has been covered more in America in the independent media, with Rupert Lowe appearing on the Patrick Bet, David podcast.
Starting point is 00:07:42 It's massive overnight, to expose, the total silence on the inquiry of the British Bashing Corporation. Watch. You in America seem to care more about this than most of our institutions in the UK. I mean, I would defund the BBC tomorrow. It's a malign monopoly. They haven't reported on this at all, as you said. That is just amazing to think that BBC, that was once recognized as one of the most reputable media franchises in the world hasn't reported on this once. But by the way, I want to follow up on this with a couple of questions. know that the BBC Charter means they're supposed to inform, educate and entertain with complete
Starting point is 00:08:21 impartiality. Well, how can something like this be produced and not be covered at all? I mean, it's quite extraordinary. They've actually found other ways of trying to go around it rather than talking about it. So it's not new. And I think, as you probably know, historically, monopolies go wrong in the end. Monopies are a bad thing, and the BBC is certainly in that camp. So assuming somebody sensible gets power, the first thing we need to do is responsibly defund the BBC.
Starting point is 00:08:55 And I'm sure Donald Trump would agree with that sentiment. I think he would, and he would not just want to defund it. He would probably want to sue them. Now, that is why I say shame on Simon Jordan, a guy who I usually really like, and shame on Pierce Morgan. for hosting a bid to shame John Terry, the football legend, into silence over his support for Restore Britain and Rupert Lowe, something that many fellow patriots are now doing.
Starting point is 00:09:25 You remember that back in March, Lowe posted a photo of Whitechapel station in East London with Bengali signage stating, this picture was taken in London, Restore Britain would ban the burqa, and Restore Britain would ensure that all London stations are in. English. Use English. Enough as enough, vote, restore Britain to get our capital city back. And John Terry commented with three applauding emojis and the England flag. He then deleted the comment less than an hour later after a massive woke backlash. But he wasn't finished because in April this year, Rupert posted on Instagram, we should ban foreigners from claiming benefits and remove migrants who are incapable of financially supporting themselves. Use those many saved
Starting point is 00:10:09 billions to slash tax for the British men and women keeping the economy running. Restore Britain would do exactly that and put our own people first. Finally, John Terry replied directly 100% yes. That resulted in berating and bullying from the elite class, including those within football, who said that those two comments mean that he should never have a career as a manager again. And it's culminated in this brand new, very awkward moment, and it made me sick this moment, on Pearce Morgan's new YouTube show, which is actually meant to be about the football world cup,
Starting point is 00:10:47 not politics. Watch. You should ask him, Pearce. I'll ask him myself, John. I mean, I see that you have liked a few tweets of Rupert Lowe's. Now, having done business with Rupert Lowe, I don't know, I wouldn't elect him to a parish council. But if you were playing again, John,
Starting point is 00:11:04 and at Rupert Lowe was a... as the chairman of Southampton, would you have signed for such a wonderful leader then? Definitely not. Well, it depends how much he was offering me, actually. No, I wouldn't. Ah, there we are. There we are. I'm feeling very uncomfortable talking politics here, guys.
Starting point is 00:11:25 I'm feeling so out of my depth. All right, let's move on to more comfortable things, John. Well, you're not out of your depth at all, but this is what mainstream bullies do to silence challenges. Now, multiple people do claim that John Terry was following Rupert Lowe at the time of engaging with his posts. And if true, that means he has now unfollowed the Restore Britain leader on Instagram. But more and more of us refuse to take the silent option. With the eyes of the world now on Manchester, where the UK's next PM,
Starting point is 00:12:02 who we now know is almost certain to be ushered. in to number 10 through an anti-democratic coup without any type of internal Labor Party process after Darren Jones confirmed this morning that he is not going to launch a rival campaign. And the eyes are on Manchester, of course, because Burnham has been in charge there since 2017. This video is going viral, having been reposted by Elon Musk to millions, because of what it represents about Andy Burnham's Manchester and what is inevitably coming next for the rest of the disunited kingdom. As techno-populist Mike Jones responded to Musk, if you want to know what shaped my worldview, look no further than my first year in Manchester as an undergrad. I arrived a Marxist,
Starting point is 00:12:52 I left a paleo-conservative and a devout reader of Peter Hitchens. Now you know why. Look at these scenes which are currently disturbing the world. And so what we are seeing, in my opinion, is total acts of domination on the streets of Andy Burnham's Manchester and Islamist takeover on the streets of Andy Burnham's Manchester, a Manchester remember which is the scene of the most horrific terror attack in recent years at the Ariana Grande concert at the Manchester Arena, which killed 22 because of a home-grown Islamist terrorist. And these scenes are horrifying the world with Mariel Norfolk,
Starting point is 00:14:19 bemoaning this is Manchester where Andy Burnham, the man who wants to replace PM Stama, is mayor. Good luck, Britain. Joey Manorino, who found himself banned from the UK by Slippery Stama, wrote, imagine being born in Manchester as a white English person and having to live amongst this shit. Who the hell allowed that to happen? Brigitte, Gabriel, added,
Starting point is 00:14:40 This is Manchester, UK. From 9% Muslim in 2001 to 22% in 2021. Christians collapsing, from 62% to 36%. That equals 122,962 Muslims out of Manchester's total population of 5,000. 551,900. And of course, those numbers are just going up. But we know this is not a problem confined to Manchester, with Danny Tomo revealing today in Birmingham, groups of masked Muslim men chanting Alu Akbar hunted down British patriots waving Union Jacks through the streets. Britain 2026, this will not be tolerated.
Starting point is 00:15:26 Watch. And of course, the daily invasion. continues. Restores spokesperson for the safety of women and girls, all a mini-hane, revealing shocking new footage of migrant arrivals in Chelmsford today. That's in Essex. She says these men look more like they are on an 18 to 30s holiday in Ibiza than desperately fleeing war. Absolute bloody disgrace. Watch the footage. And of course, we know that ground zero, of the Islamist invasion is in Sadiq Khan's London, with scenes like this becoming all too familiar.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Kelly J. Kien has gone viral for summing it up this way. We have Muslim fatigue. The gang rapes, the terrorism. The killing of little girls who enjoy music. The hatred of women and girls. The special courts. The anti-Semitism. The hate preachers.
Starting point is 00:17:34 The marches. The violence. The call to prayer. The public prayers. The complaining about Christian preachers. The pauses in football games for skipping lunch. The kneecabs. The school kids visiting mosques.
Starting point is 00:17:49 The Ramadan lights. The Ramadan messages on TV and by public figures. The cruel slaughter. slaughter, the hatred of the West, the hatred of women, the barbarism, the inbreeding, the censorship, the two-tier justice, the capture of our institutions, we're tired of it. Islam is a vile woman-hating, cousin-marrying, child rape-appeasing death cult. But on the right of British politics, there is a big issue. And we all know it. Our leaders remain completely divided about how they can come together to defeat the hard leftist Islamo forces destroy in our country.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Now Boris Johnson made a rarer appearance on GB News yesterday, where he decided to attack both Reform UK and restore Britain as anti-migrant without any acknowledgement of his mass migration policies that have helped destroy the country now known as the Boris wave. Reform, restore and the Tory should come together. Unite the right broad. I think that, you know, we've got this absurd situation now in which restore, reform is being cannibalized by restore, and who knows, perhaps there will be some more, you know, right-wing groupuscules with yet more, you know, anti-immigrant agendas, yet more hostile, yet more, you know, revolt, regurgitate, whatever,
Starting point is 00:19:16 and they will, I think that come the election, as I'm saying just now, I think when you look at the scale of the challenges country faces, the debt, the tax level, the low growth, the talent that Starma is driving overseas, the hostility to enterprise, the solutions to all those problems are conservative solutions. And reform and restore. And they should come to go. Well, I think the trouble with the other part, with reform in particular, I don't know about restore, regurgitate or whatever. But reform, the problem there is that I think that they think that they've got to be more left-wing. And they think that in order to win, they need to have an expanded welfare state. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:09 And more money into public. And I think that the people in this country are sort of... These details, though, probably than the same. Well, I'm not certain that they are. I think the answers of the country need to conservative answers. Yeah. But the problem is, Boris, your conservative answer was an invasion. And so to just simply dismiss reform and restore as being anti-migrant is completely delusional of what we are facing. But there are some staratories like Mark Francois, their defense shadow secretary, Goodman. And he has now unleashed on Reform UK, specifically Zia Yusuf, for branding. Tories like him as Traces and saying
Starting point is 00:20:54 that means his party will now never countenance a deal with Nigel Farage. His friend Nigel Farage. Mark says Brexit is wonderful, etc., etc. But we voted to leave to stop on federal immigration. And your lot, Mark Francois, not the labour lot, said
Starting point is 00:21:10 immigration through the roof and into the stratosphere. The Tories were and remain a disgrace to this nation, says Mark, what would you say to him? Well, I don't agree. We could have done better on immigration. I accept that. And I think Kemi has been been upfront about that. But look, Zia Youssef, who is the head of policy for reform, tweeted two weeks ago that all Tories and Labour MPs were, well, all Tories and Labor were, in his word, traitors. Now, my dad fought at D-Day. I deeply, deeply object to being called a traitor
Starting point is 00:21:46 by anybody. So I'm here to tell you, I used to be open-minded. about whether or not we should have some kind of long-term arrangement with reform. Not now. Okay. Was that the moment? The change things for you? Yes. That was my epiph. Why would you enter into an abusive marriage? I mean, that's a strong thing to say. Zer Yusuf... Come on, an abusive marriage? Is that an appropriate language to be using?
Starting point is 00:22:11 Well, it would be with Zia Yusuf. Zee Yusuf, I've debated before, the man is utterly toxic. So why do they think that they can abuse us and call us traitors to our country, country and then if it came to a general election, they were short, they'd just snap their fingers and come running. No. So... What if that would mean that you kept Liberate? I am not interested in any arrangement of any kind that involves Zia Yuseth. Full stop, end of sentence. I'm not going to work with someone who calls me and my colleagues
Starting point is 00:22:47 a traitor. They weren't even in the House of Commons today. We're defending We're talking about defence. We're talking about the people who are pledged to defend our flag. The plastic patriots who rat themselves in the flag couldn't even be bothered to turn up. So I'm sick and tired of hearing about how reform are the only patriotic people in this country. Zia Yusuf can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Wow. And you can understand, again, why, to bring it all back to the top of the digest, why lots of people are as a result turning to restore Britain. Now when it comes to the current government at PMQs today, this was just so awkward. The power ebbing away from slippery stummer as Rachel from accounts was put on the spot by Kemi Baderot for failing to attend to Tare Kare's farewell statement as she cozied up to Burnham instead. The Prime Minister gave her the second most important job in Britain. She was the first female
Starting point is 00:23:52 Chancellor. She lives next door to him, but wouldn't even come out to stand by him during his resignation speech. She was too busy getting ready for a selfie with the new leader. Does the Prime Minister feel let down by his Chancellor?
Starting point is 00:24:10 This is the Chancellor who ended austerity inflected on our country for 14 long years. This is the Chancellor who got the economy growing, Mr Speaker. And Labor is an all-out civil war at the moment because Mad Miller Band is in this battle to the death
Starting point is 00:24:27 to replace Reeves as Chancellor, which I think is a terrifying prospect for all of us. The Chancellor isn't the only person who let him down. The Energy Secretary is putting up bills and killing jobs. He was, yeah, he's not here, is he? He was a
Starting point is 00:24:45 failed Labour leader, rejected by the electorate, brought back from the wilderness by this man, and when the going got tough, he jumped into bed with the mayor of Manchester. It's not the first time he's betrayed someone close to him, is it? Whoa. There was also this brutal dig towards the Education Secretary Bridget Philipson, which has totally kicked off. Watch. Some of his cabinet have been loyal, loyal and incompetent.
Starting point is 00:25:16 Hands up, if you think, the Education Secretary is doing it. good job. Even she doesn't think she's doing a good job, Mr. Speaker. Even she doesn't think she's doing a good job. Just, oh, someone did, someone did. Just for those, for those who raised their hands, the two people who raised their hands, yesterday a poll found that zero percent of teachers think the Education Secretary is doing a good job. Zero percent. She taxed private schools to pay for more teachers. But the number of teachers has gone down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:54 It turns out appointing a spiteful class warrior's education secretary was a disaster. Prime Minister agree, does the Prime Minister agree that he has been let down by her incompetence? Now, rather than actually caring about the substance, Philipson, who looked like she was about to to cry only cared about being called spiteful. Watch. The education secretary grew up in poverty. She knows exactly what it means to grow up in poverty.
Starting point is 00:26:33 She was once reluctant to tell her story. I know her story. It's an incredible story of social mobility and success. I'm so proud that she is sitting there and so should everybody in this country who cares about social mobility. Total identity politics. and we're sick of your tears. We're sick of your tears when you were driving this country into the ground.
Starting point is 00:26:54 But there was a big bust up after PMQ's, and the fight then continued on X, with Philipson writing, Kemi lost her head at PMQ's and afterwards too. It's not the first time. She's compared me to a Gestapo officer. I wonder what it is about a working class woman driving record investment in state schools,
Starting point is 00:27:12 buying private schools tax breaks that the Tories hate so much. Our political class lets us down, but none more so than the new. Kemi Badernock hit back. I grew up on a council estate is not an excuse for failure. You are sacrificing the future of generations of kids on the altar of your class envy reversing. Even labors. Academy reforms. Zero percent of teachers think you're doing a great job.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I'm not here to give you a pat on the back. I speak for those people whose lives you're destroying and I'll never stop speaking up for them. And it's got even weirder with our new MPs. Okay. So, remember I told you about the new SNP member for Arbroath, who refused to properly take her oath to the king and has now been exposed as a total fake? Remember this video from yesterday? I take this oath only so that I can serve the people of Arbrooth and Broughty Ferry. My first allegiance is and always will be the sovereign people of Scotland.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty, King Charles. His heirs and successors according to the law, so help me God. Okay, and this was her acceptance speech on the night that she won the by-election. Grotty Ferry have rejected the politics of division and hate that some try to say. Well, guess what? Guess what? She's not a real Scott. Just a few weeks ago, that S&M. P-class warrior was speaking in a crisp English accent, and I've got the receipts to prove it. Watch.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Make recognition of their state, a state that already exists, a state that has existed for longer than the state of Israel has, for many, many, many generations, for the UK government to completely undermine the humanity of those people, of the Palestinian people. The clon. So she's a posh English pro-pally loser pretending to be Scottish. As Jack Montgomery revealed, the SMP's latest MP stage name Lara Bird is a very strange character. Real name, Piler Bird Leakey. Qualified as an English barrister, not a Scottish advocate, and until recently, had an English accent.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Since this post is getting a fair bit of play, I'd like to add that giving a false oath, with your fingers crossed is plainly contempt of Parliament and she should be ordered to either take it again properly or be barred from sitting. Now, the superstar panel. Molly Kingsley, Charlie Sansom and Father Calvin Robinson with us. So Father Calvin, what's so interesting is with Burnham coming in and what is clearly going to be a move to a further Islamification of the country
Starting point is 00:30:22 because we've seen what he's done in Manchester. The people are rising up and the people are looking for a more radical alternative, which is why we saw that extraordinary poll from the sun, you know, the sun which describes Rupert Lo as a far right thug, yet its readers are saying, we want him as Prime Minister.
Starting point is 00:30:39 But what did you think of that bid by Simon Jordan to really humiliate John Terry for simply supporting Restore? More legacy media bullying, isn't it? It's like, you're not falling in line And therefore we're going to shame you live on air. And you could see John Terry cringing when he said, I don't, I'm out of my depth. I don't really, I'm not here to speak about politics.
Starting point is 00:30:58 I'm a footballer for goodness sake. And quite right, too. He should be on there to speak about football. Who really cares whether John Terry supports Rupert Lowe or Theresa May? What does it matter to anyone? He is a footballer. We've got to stop looking at these celebrities for their political input because it means nothing to us. But the fact that they want to shame him for not falling in line with what they think is appropriate
Starting point is 00:31:19 for someone in the mainstream media to do. or support, which is left-wing politics, shows them up more than it shows him up. I thought the whole thing was embarrassing. Yeah, Charlie, I found it really upsetting that he felt like he had to say, oh, you know, I'm out of my depth here and he deleted the post and he didn't, well, he unfollowed, Rupert. It's such a shame that people still feel bullied into this because actually, for our country to change, we're going to need people to be able to have these types of honest debates.
Starting point is 00:31:49 I believe that John Terry should have stood by what he truly believed in in the first place. Now, I've never met him, but John Terry grew up with members of my family. He grew up with my mother, he grew up with my cousins, my aunts and uncles, right? So we're all cut from the same cloth, yeah, same part of London. And what I would say is that hearing somebody talking like John does, or maybe Pontell, Indirectly online about his politics is interesting because football is a working class sport. That's how it started off. It's not now, obviously. It's so expensive as you have to get a mortgage out to go and see a game. But it should have remained a working class sport. So the fact that a football will come out and be politically outspoken, who isn't Gary Linneker, I think is quite nice to see.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Oh yeah, totally. And Gary Linneker, by the way, who was got rid of from the BBC finally because of anti-Semitism. has been welcomed back by Netflix, welcomed back by Wokai TV. Now, they're private companies, they can do whatever they want. And I've always said Gary Lineker can say whatever he wants. Notice, I've not criticised him once now that he's not working for the British Bashing Corporation. But at the same time, there is a huge amount of hypocrisy, isn't there, with the fact that Gary Linneker is allowed to be the celebrated hard left figure with absolutely no pushback. But John Terry is not allowed to support, restore Britain, without.
Starting point is 00:33:19 massive amounts of criticism. Molly Kingsley, I wanted to ask you, though, about that feud that broke out today between Kemi Badenock and Bridget Philipson. I mean, it sounds like there was almost a punch-up after PMQs, and this is an issue that you are very passionate about, us for them, obviously, all about protecting kids, really, from the damage that is being unleashed by the political classes. Do you think Kemi Baderok was at all too harsh there, or should Should Bridget Philipson actually man up, take some of this criticism and realize that she's got to do better because our kids are under threat? I don't think she was too harsh at all, but I don't like the brand of politics that thrives off slagging off personalities rather than talking about policy and principle. That, I think, has done a lot to alienate voters.
Starting point is 00:34:18 as you know, voters are incredibly frustrated, as we all know, with mainstream politicians of all breeds. And I don't think it's helpful when actually you have PMQs and, you know, every parliamentary session now is like this. It's awful to watch. I can't really bear watching it because it's not about the policy. There is a real dearth of serious politicians talking about serious policies. And I actually think that is one of the reasons why Rupert is doing so well. And we all know what he's saying about immigration. but actually they are coming across, restore coming across as a serious political party. And he is coming across as pretty much one of the only politicians with integrity, with principles
Starting point is 00:34:56 and who wants to talk about proper policy fixes. So I think it was a very dispiriting display. Obviously, I agree with what Kemi says. You know, Phillips and Labor reforms, particularly as regards VAT on private schools have been a disaster across the board. I think there are many obnoxious elements of their education policies, you know, one word, concerned with at the moment is the idea that teachers can be replaced with AI and tech. But I would far rather, we see our parliamentary, as beautiful parliament in that setting, actually hosting the kind of political debate that we so desperately need to get back in this country.
Starting point is 00:35:34 The rise of Rupert Lowe is fascinating, isn't it? Because it's not just the lift that are completely freaking out. actually his previous allies, his previous friends, including Alex Phillips on Talk TV, are having almost daily meltdowns about his cool, calm and collected approach. Now, what's so interesting is that this week, much of the chagrin of actually certain people within Restore, he hit back on another independent podcast, because of course he's largely ignored by the mainstream media here in the UK, to say that despite all of these claims, He isn't driven by ethno nationalism.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Watch. For the party. I don't know of any party that audits its membership. And equally, I think a lot of the damage is done not by necessarily the right. Some is, and I detest far right sort of, you know, ethno-nationalist or neo-Nazism. I've never been driven by that.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Equally, I'm not driven by what I call them a line left, which actually is capable of. of equal evil, if not more evil. And yet, because their left wing, they're not required to audit their membership. So that was with Brett Weinstein, but remember he's also equally going for those on the left, posting vile attempts by Zach Polanski, Humsar Yusuf, and many others to demonise me following the release of our rape gang inquiry report will not work. For decades, the mass rape of vulnerable white girls by gangs of Pakistani Muslims was covered up
Starting point is 00:37:10 exactly because of efforts like this. It will not work anymore. There is a clear link between religion and these abhorrent crimes that have stained on our nation for so very long, that religion is Islam. And other politicians must finally find the courage to say so. Threats, abuse and intimidation will not work. We have held our hearings. The report has been published. And now we move on to the private prosecution phase. Our aim is to put rapists and their enablers in prison. that is now our objective. So what on earth can you not be happy about with that type of approach, especially after Restore Britain's success at the Makerfield by-election?
Starting point is 00:37:52 Well, Reform UK surrogates are panicking. And I can understand why they're panicking, right? Because Nigel never believed he was going to be challenged from the right. This is Nigel Farage. That's why he's increasingly moved the party to the left. And unfortunately, what's happening, and I say this, as a friend of a lot of these people who are making the criticisms, is that Nigel Farage's allies, including Alex Phillips,
Starting point is 00:38:17 are leaning on the same type of criticisms that have been used for years by the left and by the mainstream media against Nigel Farage and against Reform UK, which I think sort of proves the point that they are becoming part of the establishment. So in quite an epic meltdown on Talk TV, Alex Phillips, who we know as a close ally of Nigel Farage, said that she didn't want to turn the whole discussion into a debate about six, but then blamed angry men. Watch.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Their criticism, to look at who you are dealing with, and those people on the right, the absolute far right, they don't represent any kind of country that I would want to live. If I were to read out to you, I mean, like, I'm not saying it's especially bad because I'm a woman, but actually I am saying that. because it doesn't phase me because I realize these are just angry men who, without turning it into a sex thing
Starting point is 00:39:17 because I'm not on me too moving person I don't give a damn. You know, I'm Alex, I do my job and I do it well and I worked hard to get here, thank you very much, and I've got a thick skin. But there is something particular and unique about the way that the people from that party or the trolls purporting to be
Starting point is 00:39:35 in support of that party as speaking about women. I think out of all of them I probably get it in the neck the most because I've been the most vocal. But it comes down to things that, you know, I have to remind myself and I have to pinch myself.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Actually, it's not true. Don't let it affect you when people are saying I'm an alcoholic, when people are saying I'm a drug take, when people say I'm having an affair, when people are saying I'm barren and can't have children. That's why I'm bitter.
Starting point is 00:39:58 I mean, who the hell says stuff like that? And that is what's being put out there all the time. People don't know about my love life. They don't have my personal circumstance. and says if I've got a medical condition or something. They don't need to know. It's not their bloody bitch. Okay, now Alex actually got a lot more angry, and I'm going to come to that.
Starting point is 00:40:15 But when she's called me out on this, my view is that I put your claims about this restore stitch up with the Tories, which I don't believe are true directly to Rupert Lowe. And this is what he said. Now, Alex isn't happy with what Rupert said, but I think it's fair to show both sides. Here's a reminder. Alex Phillips, also very close to Nigel Farage, says that Restore effectively exists just to get the Tories back into power. And again, there's some type of document that exists showing that this is all some type of sciop. Is there any secret deal with the conservatives?
Starting point is 00:41:00 Does Restore want to see the conservatives back into power? and do you have these daily conversations with Kemi Badernock as Farage's close ally claimed? Well, absolutely not is the answer to that. And neither Lois Perry nor Alex Phillips, as you know I was in the European Parliament with Alex. Both of them are close, if not too close to Nigel Farage and have historically been so.
Starting point is 00:41:25 So, you know, they aren't in a position ready to act as what I would call independent commentators on the same. subject. But the answer on the Tory party is definitely not. I've, if you watch me, I haven't been involved with the Tory party since I fought against the Maastricht Treaty. I left the Tory party on the basis that I didn't want to get further into the European Union. So he was very clear. He was very clear that not only is what Alex putting out there is not true. He did believe that Alex's close relationship with Nigel Farge in some ways colours her judgment on this. Now,
Starting point is 00:42:07 I also understand that Alex is very unhappy about that. She's furious about that. And she believes that Rupert Lowe is using rape little girls as a moral shield, claiming he is actually not for women. Watch. But how dare those people turn around and say, we're here to protect women and girls?
Starting point is 00:42:31 and go on personal attacks like that, questioning a woman, labelling her as some sort of slatternly, horrible, low-moral, histrionic, mentally ill, drug-addicted, you know, abusing person who's unable to have children. That is sick and vile. You do not. How dare you? Pretend that you support women and girls. How dare you use those little girls who have been violently, viciously, evilly disgracefully, disgustingly abused as some sort of moral shield and then pop out and say stuff
Starting point is 00:43:08 like that. And that anger and that criticism isn't just some of the nasty people, the trolls who live online. That goes all the way, all the way to blimmin Rupert Lowe who has sat there with a smug stupid look on his face, knowing this is being said and even repeated some of it. So Rupert, as far as I'm concerned, jog on, son. I see three. you. Pro women and girls, my backside. You just let rampant sexism when life, and I don't care about sexism in the normal sense, but I do care when people use such disgusting dialed, follical personal attacks. And do you know what, it ain't going to stop me? If you thought that was going to make me shut up, I've got even more fire in my belly now. So don't think that
Starting point is 00:43:50 tactic's going to work. And you are losing friends left, right, and centre among the media, the more these attacks take place. Right. Kingsley, Charlie, you're entertained by that, Charlie. What do you think about Alex's anger there? I mean, the hysterics are hilarious to me because, you know, how dare a woman be questioned? You know, that was the thing that I started making notes about when you were playing the tape there. It's like she's annoyed that she was questioned by a man about some of her behavior.
Starting point is 00:44:25 And look, I've met Alex a couple of times. She seems like a nice woman every time I've met her. there are rumors that fly around Westminster about her. Rupert hasn't said what everyone knows he wants to say, but everyone's heard the rumors. Which she has denied. She has denied. Sure, sure, sure.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Well, yeah, she's denied it, but they persist. And I'm not saying they're true or false. I'm just saying that they're out there. And I don't think it's sexist for people to talk about it, given that she is a huge defender of Nigel Farage. She's a huge defender of reform. and I just find it arrogant, really, that she's called the whole restore rape gang inquiry
Starting point is 00:45:06 to be shallow and not genuine when, you know, because she's annoyed, because she's one woman that's annoyed, but you've got to think about the amount of girls that the rape gang inquiry has shown us have been abused by people who are not being taken to court, who are not being properly convicted and treated by the courts, right? It's not about you, Alex.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Sorry to say, but it's not. You know, you can be annoyed at the DMs and everything else. You shouldn't be getting abused, but less focus on the real issue here, which is about these abused kids. Yeah, I mean, Molly Kingsley, it was quite a stretch for me for Alex to say because Rupert Lowe is in some way insinuating something about her closeness to Nigel Farage that he's not pro women and girls. Because remember, it was Nigel Farage who initially promised an independent rape gang inquiry. He didn't go through with that. And Rupert did. And the report is horrifying.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Now, even for a lot of us who knew these details had spoken to campaigners like Sammy Woodhouse, course of Survivor, whose own son's father is one of her rapists, reading the details in that report and seeing the extent of the 250,000 victims, is horrifying. So how on earth can you say that Rupert, because he has attacked Alex Phillips, who is attacking him on a daily basis, that that in some ways makes him sexes. I just don't really see how the two things add up, but maybe you do as a woman.
Starting point is 00:46:41 No, no, certainly not. No, I mean, I think, first of all, I think, as I'm sure you would with men, it's to have one woman talk about, you know, it's appropriate your experience as a woman, always great anyway. But, you know, I don't know, Alex. like, yeah, I've met her a couple of times. She seemed perfectly nice. That was not an entirely sane sounding rant, I don't think. I, you know, the fact is that Rupert's the only person that's done anything politically about this and he has stuck his neck out and taken action where
Starting point is 00:47:13 no one else has and he deserves an awful lot of credit, I think, for that. I think the, you know, Alex's rant brings out a quite ugly side of our politics that we are seeing increasingly in the battle on the right. where it's getting very personal and very vitriolic. And I think people are unable in that battle to see they are guilty of the things that they are accusing the other side of. And actually to bring it back to Alex again, she also wrote. And, you know, I think it's reasonable to bring this up because she's pinned it on her Twitter feed. It's there at the moment.
Starting point is 00:47:46 She's written a piece attacking, restore again. And it's just really interesting to read because I'll just read you a paragraph now, because she's guilty, I think, in this of doing the thing that she's accusing everyone else. of doing. So she says, you know, rather than being able to react to political discourse or the presentation of facts with anything resembling pragmatism, they, so this is people, you know, these sort of people who are getting very angry about politics, they lash out furvishly, linguistically violently with extreme emotion and something akin to desperation. And, you know, I guess I would maybe just encourage people to just pause with it. People are entitled to their
Starting point is 00:48:20 own political opinions. And actually, we ought to be able to debate that in a sane and respectful way. and lashing out in this kind of diatribe is doesn't help anyone at all. And I certainly don't think it is a fair reflection on Rupert and what he, and really he alone in the political arena, has tried to do for these poor, poor girls. You know, I mean, you know Alex. You worked with her at GB News. Unfortunately, it's starting to look amongst people like Alex Phillips and Adin Dory,
Starting point is 00:48:50 so I've had a lot of respect for in the past. Really, they're not truly into the concept of democracy. on the right? Oh, well, democracy's fake and gay anyway. I love Alex Finnis. I think she's fantastic. And I really like her loyalty towards Nigel Farage, just as I like Nadine Doris' loyalty towards Boris Johnson.
Starting point is 00:49:10 I think the world would benefit from far more loyalty like that. But I also see your points in that when she's ranting on air like that, it's not very professional. It doesn't help anyone. It doesn't grow the argument either way. It just comes off as unhinged. You've got to be loyal, but you've also got to be reasonable. I think she makes some genuine points.
Starting point is 00:49:28 And when I disagree with her, I've called her out, even on this show. But at the same time, you know, the abuse going around on social media from all sides is a bit much. People are taking it too personal. They're becoming tribal. And I don't think Rupert Lowe did anything wrong, but I've certainly seen people in the Restore Camp being aggressive unnecessarily, just as I've seen people on a reform camp. Yes. Unnecessarily aggressive.
Starting point is 00:49:51 We all need to calm down a bit. It's politics, man. Yeah, absolutely. I guess that's the point that I would make. There is a narrative being pushed by the likes of Isabel Oakeshott and Alex that restore supporters are unique in their nastiness. Trust me. Like, you should see what I get from Reform UK supporters.
Starting point is 00:50:16 And contrary to popular belief, I don't support any political party. And Reform UK senior figures are welcome on this show on a daily basis. Yep, I'll give you a hard. time, but I am certainly a propagandist for no party. But trust me, reform UK supporters are equally nasty. What I did find quite interest is when I spoke to Tommy Robinson earlier this week, he did say that he thinks the right made a mistake in Makerfield and should have united to stop Andy Burnham. Watch this. I think in the recent election that there should have been a conservative effort between restore and reform and everyone else to try and stop Andy Burnham. Because
Starting point is 00:50:55 Andy Burnham is going to be a much better leader for Labor than Keir Starmors. So Charlie Sandson, this is what's interesting. More and more you get these senior figures on the right of British politics saying there's going to have to be some type of arrangement, some type of concession. But the problem is no one knows what that is going to look like or if it's even possible because Reform UK, the likes of Alex Phillips and Isabelle Oakshot, literally, want Rupert Lowe to retire and go to his farm. Like, that's no exaggeration.
Starting point is 00:51:29 They're not prepared to countenance bringing Rupert into reform in a senior role. They literally want him to go to his farm and retire, their words. Then we see Boris Johnson starting to describe reform and restore as simply anti-immigration parties. We see Mark Francois, the Defence Secretary, or Shadow Defence Secretary for the Tories, saying, over his death.
Starting point is 00:51:55 dead body, will there ever be any type of deal between the Tories and reform after Zia Yusuf called Tories traitors? I mean, do you see any way that the right can come together? Or is it going to be a fight to the death? They can come together if they grow up. See, I'm sure that Rupert Lowe would like to go back to his farm. Why wouldn't he? He's got loads of money. He doesn't need to do this. No one's giving him five billion pounds in crypto. And I don't criticize anyone for taking that money, by the way. But when it comes to Boris Johnson saying that these parties are just anti-immigration, please remind us, Boris, what the Conservative Party's last five manifesto stood on.
Starting point is 00:52:40 It was about controlling immigration numbers. It's one of the main reasons why he got into power in the first place. And here he is now criticizing the people that want to pick up his slack for him not doing his job because he was too focused on locking down the country and doing the wrong thing there. And when it comes to Mark Francois, I think that, you know, again, he's taken a personal, he's taking everything personal with what was said by Zia Yusuf, because he was called a traitor because his granddad fought indeed. Well, sorry, Mark, but you didn't.
Starting point is 00:53:13 And I'm quite sure that if your granddad, if he's lucky enough to still be breathing and with us, he'd be ashamed of you for what you and your party have done to this country. Because what those men fought for in World War II... And are you referring to the Boris way? They would not be happy with today. Of course. This country is falling apart. It's an absolute disgrace.
Starting point is 00:53:32 You can't walk down a street in England now without hearing foreign languages. Now, I've got no issue with people speaking foreign languages, but when it's the only thing you hear, that is a cultural shift that no one voted for. So when Boris and Mark Francois get their niggers in a twist about this kind of stuff, they should look in the mirror and ask themselves, how did we get here? And if they're honest, they'll leave politics. and give it up for someone who knows what they're doing. I mean, Molly, I was totally astonished by that interview
Starting point is 00:54:01 between Christopher Hope and Boris Johnson, where Boris was just allowed to get away with the fact that he is in large part responsible for the rise of reform and restore who he just dismissed as anti-migrant parties because of his Brexit betrayal. I mean, that interview was to celebrate 10 years of Brexit. Well, I'm sorry, we supported Brexit to take back control, largely to take back control of our borders.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Boris failed us. Boris betrayed us. And actually, there does have to be a reckoning, doesn't there? And as decent as I might think someone like an individual like Mark Francois is, as much as I might think Kemi Baderot is doing a great job holding slippery Stama's feet to the fire in PMQs, never, Molly, never, ever, ever again, will they get my vote after that betrayal? Never. Absolutely. And it's not the only portrayal, Dan, is it? I mean, I feel exactly the same about the pandemic years. Totally. Lockdowns. However much I respect individual politicians, some individual politicians within reform and there are some and there are some we work very closely with. I'm afraid that the appointments they've made with Nadine Doris and particularly Nadine Saharwe, it's just removed them out on the table as a political option for me.
Starting point is 00:55:24 And I don't think I'm the only person that feels like that. You know, there are many of us who feel that what happened during lockdown, during, you know, the COVID vaccination rollout was just an egregious wrong. And it just shows a lack of judgment. And I think to your points about the Christopher Hope interview, I mean, I am daily, hourly, every time I open a newspaper, we'll return on the mainstream, you know, mainstream channel. I am just amazed at the inability of mass media to challenge
Starting point is 00:55:50 and to ask and to get to the real wrongs. And it isn't just immigration. Immigration is a big part of it. I don't dispute that. But there are other things that are just off the table. I mean, Rupert said himself with the rape gang report, didn't he? How can that not be covered by the BBC? How? Can someone explain that to me?
Starting point is 00:56:07 And it's just an absolute lack of honesty. And this is why trust, and I'm sure we'll come onto this later in the show, but this is why trust in mainstream broadcast channels is just evaporating because we all see it with our own eyes. Well, 100% look at all of us. We're all independent because we have to be independent because our views are only accepted in the independent space. Father Calvin, I just want to show you what reform is now doing, though,
Starting point is 00:56:36 after the Makefield by-election. Don't you think, Calvin, they always come up with the wrong answer to whatever the electorate have said? So after Makerfield, Reform has decided that the problem is trying to compete with Restore, and in fact, they need to sack Zia Yusuf and move further to the left. So this is the report from the observer. Nigel Farad should resist the urge to shift further to the right and consider sacking Zia Yusuf reforms Home Affairs spokes figures within the party have said after its defeat to Labour in the make field by-election.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Individuals within the party are understood to be making personal pleas to Farage to re-adopt his red lines on far-right extremism and are seeking to remove trigger-happy Yusuf from his role. Zee is a big problem, said one involved. Another source said there were some serious splits within the party that are going to break out at any point. Yusuf has already been a figure of frustration for many within reform, culminating in his 24-hour resignation last year after he publicly criticized Sarah Pochin. Some of the party are concerned that Yusuf is part of a right-wood's push, prompted by fears that Rupert Lowe's Restore Party was outflanking them.
Starting point is 00:57:44 During the by-election campaign, both parties seized on the murder of Henry Novak and the knife attack in Belfast. One senior party saw Sid, we would definitely spook by Restore, and I don't think it was our finest hour. Nigel can carry on the usification of reform, or he can rely on his instincts to keep Tommy Robinson well beyond where reform stands, but he has just got to make that decision. Reform shouldn't panic. There is lots of evidence that we are still the main contender on the right, but the scale of tactical voting and persistence of it should be a lot. our focus not Rupert. However, Restore appears to remain a preoccupation in a social media video. Farage made a directly to those who switched to restore asking, what do you want? So Father Calvin, it's so interesting, isn't it? The solution to reform always does, no matter what the question is, the answer always seems to be moving further to the left.
Starting point is 00:58:38 Which is fine, as far as I'm concerned, they can move all the way to the left and then leave the right open to restore to come in and take the right wing vote. Fantastic. Which you're now a part of, by the way. Yes, yes, I am. And since I joined Restore, all these people keep coming from my comments, don't split the vote. I'm like, well, don't split the vote then. Vote restore. Like, why does not splitting the vote suddenly mean that we must vote reform? It's absurd. But it's the internal battle in reform is interesting too. It seems to be that the conservative 2.0, the Tory members who've come over,
Starting point is 00:59:09 are bringing their liberalism with them. And they are the ones who want party to shift more to the centre or more to the left and there are still a few within reform who want it to be a right-wing party and restore is clearly working in pressurizing reform to move further right imagine if restore wasn't here that reform would have already gone all the way to the left it's absurd but also the point that you're making about boris johnson needs to be re-emphasized because i i was reading my yeah it's ten years since brexit and i was reading my speech and you were there you were there father calvin you were one of the original i was i was on vote team vote leave and it was amazing but i had I was saying in my speech that net migration was around 300,000 per year at the time.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Under Boris, he tripled it to over 900,000 per year. You know, there were 400, sorry, 4 million people came in under Boris Johnson. That wave is absolutely unforgivable. He is the one who caused the problem that we're now fighting. So to see him sitting on GB News, getting even more bloated than he was before, like he's just a meme at this point. But he is the problem. He doesn't even see it.
Starting point is 01:00:12 I know. It's such a shame. It's such a shame. I actually heard Nigel Farage earlier in the week say that he is not certain even to this day that Boris actually believed in Brexit. He's certain that Michael Gove really believed in Brexit, but he thinks that for Boris it was a political calculation, and I guess it was a political calculation that in one way worked out because he did become Prime Minister. Breaking today, Karl Stefanovic, one of Australia's most famous TV faces, has been brutal sacked by his employer 9 Entertainment. Now, what is his major crime? Well, he independently interviewed Tommy Robinson right here in London for his growing YouTube show and podcast. So
Starting point is 01:00:58 Stefanovic, and I knew this actually, because I helped his team put Carl in touch with some good, solid Brits to interview. And he has been here for a week, taking time off from his regular gig hosting the iconic and top-rated morning show today as he grows this independent brand online. Of course it made sense that he would want to speak to Tommy, one of the most important figures in Britain who is currently shunned by virtually all of the MSM. Kea Stama's out. Tommy Robinson's on the show tonight and Tommy, how are you feeling? I'm good, can I ask you a question? Yes.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Kea Stahmer is a wanker. Well, that moment has not gone down well in Australia at all. In fact, believe me, when I say that interview is currently the biggest story down under. Because the increasingly woke TV station that employs them, that is Channel 9, had such a problem with Tommy telling the Aussies to wait the hell up about what is happening to Western civilization. have decided to sack him. Here's more from the interview. When the public, which they're getting there, when they realize the lies they've been told, same in Australia, I'm looking at what's happening in your country, when they look and they realize
Starting point is 01:02:26 our daughters aren't safe anymore, we can't walk the streets. They're going to look at who's responsible for that. And it didn't have to be like this. So someone, government and media, as is happening now in the rape gang's inquiry, when the public who have been thinking this, but whispering it, when that damn bursts, which is close to burning, they're going to be screaming it. They're going to be screaming it. And then they're going to be looking to who lied and who told the truth. And trusting people like us is going to go here, and then it's just going to go down, and they're never going to be trusted again. And that's where we're at now.
Starting point is 01:03:01 In fact, the polls show it. There's a poll of trust in media for Europe, to go to the country at distrust the media the most. Great Britain. Not the former communist states, Great Britain, have the least trust in media. So the answer to people Australians, to anyone, even if you're not in Australia, it's like, if not now, then when, we're losing our country, you're losing your culture. We've got a thousand years of Christian English history in this country and they've given it away in 70 years. They've caused the destruction of our entire nation. They've had a successful left-wing revolution.
Starting point is 01:03:35 Attack the family, attack the church, attack masculinity, masculinity, attack everything. But a counter-revolution has now started and they ain't going to be able to stop. Okay, so truth bombs, right? But do you really think that Tommy saying that should cause Carl Stefanovic to lose the job that he has had for much of 20 years turning Channel 9 into a ratings force?
Starting point is 01:03:58 After that interview was unleashed, the episode was briefly pulled by Carl from his channel and 9 began Crisis Talks. about the face of the network for 20 years. The left-wing Guardian newspaper reported there were fairs the network's advertisers would be targeted by online activists unhappy with Stefanovic's roster of right-wing guests. Late on Wednesday, the Sydney Morning Herald, which is part of the Nine Stable, reported that Stefanovic would leave the company.
Starting point is 01:04:33 Now, Nine has consistently said that the Carl Stefanovic show is an independent production and has declined to comment on its increasingly right-wing content. But on Wednesday, the network changed tack and distanced itself from the podcast, saying the company was taking this matter seriously. A spokesperson said the Carl Stefanovic show is a completely independent production. Nine has no involvement, including in the guest selection and other editorial processes. However, Nine is taking this matter seriously. And it's this woke news report that exposes the dark,
Starting point is 01:05:07 Motivations of the SACIne as a war on independent media because the mainstream media like this outlet ABC, which is like the Australian BBC, knows that their death is inevitable. In the interview, Carl laughs along with Tommy Robinson. Well, I got one way for Kistama, wanker. Right? Absolute wanker. Tommy Robinson goes on to blame the Muslim community for not stopping terrorism and accuses the elderly LGBTQ community of indoctrination. It could just be that after the podcast went and some of the social media commentary started
Starting point is 01:05:50 to come out, the car went, whoops, might have gone one step too far. Kea Steyer is a wanker. Now that's not the kind of Channel 9 image. Channel 9 Today Show kind of image is warm, friendly, authoritative. This is very much, very different. Where I do trying to do a commercial podcast, I'd be looking for outrageous figures who say outrageous things in outrageous ways. And I think that's exactly what he's doing. The right-wing online sphere is big business, according to alternate media researcher Finley Watson.
Starting point is 01:06:31 They are able to turn these podcasts into much larger business models as well. They're able to sell merchandise. they're able to get quite large sponsorship agreements as well. YouTubers are monetizing anger against social justice, against environmentalism, and of course, at this moment, most prominently against immigration, to turn some of that sentiment and anger and vitriol directly into money. They are so scared, aren't they? They are so scared. Indeed, other parts of the Australian mainstream media went down a totally different
Starting point is 01:07:07 but equally patronising routes, suggesting that Nine should have kept Carl Stefanovic, but put their producers on his podcast to stop the free speech from happening at all. Watch. So this turned out to be a bridge too far for Channel 9. They've punted him. Is that a good idea? It really feels to me like this could have all gone another way. Well, the problem we've had with this story from the outset is Carl's in the UK,
Starting point is 01:07:37 His managers in Australia, nine's execs are in Australia. Like everyone else in the country, I've been trying to call Carl. He's been asleep in London. He's woken up. Unfortunately, back here in Australia, nine has been in meetings all day about it. And they've come to the conclusion, what's mutually best for both of us is maybe to go our own way. It's never mutual, though, is it? It's like we're offloading you, mate.
Starting point is 01:07:59 You're too much of a liability. They could have, I reckon, found a way through this. Carl is famous. Carl is clearly popular. He's growing a new audience on. YouTube. God forbid that's an audience that maybe nine could get. They could have offered him a senior experienced journal producer, one of the experts who make 60 minutes, to help him make the podcast better. We don't want your producers. Do you not get it? Do you not get it? Your producers would
Starting point is 01:08:24 ruin the Karl Stefanovic show. On hearing the news, Tommy Robinson posted on X, has been widely reported that Australian TV Channel 9 has fired Carl Stefanovic, his crime talking to me. has received support though from the One Nation leader Pauline Hanson. Now Pauline, you all know, is surging in the polls in Australia. One Nation actually top of the polls at the moment in Australia. She posted, it looks like they're trying to sack my good friend Carl Stefanovic for this video with Tommy Robinson. Deb Knight was a huge flop for Channel 9 and while she was busy grilling me over One Nation polling, Channel 9's ratings were in the toilet. In 2019, on live TV with her I called on Channel 9 to bring back Carl. Now with six months to go on his contract, the weak management of
Starting point is 01:09:10 Channel 9 want to sack Carl over this interview. Tommy Robinson has a lesson for Australians. If we don't learn from the UK's mistakes on immigration and radical Islam, we are going to face the same destruction. This is exactly what Carl was trying to bring to Australia's attention. She then appeared on Sky News Australia. Now, I always have to clarify, Sky News Australia has totally different ownership to Sly News in the UK. So it's quite a sound channel. And she actually offered Carl a job. But what do you make of it if Channel 9 gives in the boot over this?
Starting point is 01:09:48 I think they're bloody stupid to do it because, you know, when the ratings went down and I did it, and I said, bring back Carl, well, they brought him back and guess what their ratings went up. So they have no understanding. They're gone so far to the left, Channel 9. They're making a big mistake. Hey, guess what, Carl? I'm looking for someone in my office.
Starting point is 01:10:05 You know, I want some advisors, my office. So Carl, you know, come and apply for a job with me. We'll have a great time. We'll put them all on notice and we'll get the country back on track, mate. To the superstar panel, Father Calvin Robinson, Molly Kingsley and Charlie Sansom. Charlie, you were one of the producers of Liz Truss's entry into the independent media world. So you know a lot about this. But isn't it extraordinary that Carl Stefanovic, is effectively being sacked. I mean, he's pretty much the biggest name of Channel 9, a huge Australian TV company.
Starting point is 01:10:44 He has been sacked, not because of something he said, but because of an interview that he conducted. That is how scared the mainstream media is of Tommy Robinson. But when I was at CPAC in Australia last year with Liz Truss on stage, when I mentioned Tommy Robinson, it got pretty much the biggest round of applause of the day.
Starting point is 01:11:08 So it feels like the mainstream media are not going to be able to continue with this information control. And what will happen here is that Carl Stefanovic will go independent and probably become a far, far bigger success story outside of Channel 9 and the mainstream media. I've found that most people that get cancelled by the mainstream tend to do rather well you being a good, example.
Starting point is 01:11:35 And I think that Channel 9 saying we have no editorial over his podcast and then making an editorial decision is kind of ironic. But to the point about Tommy being interviewed and the fact that he's
Starting point is 01:11:50 popular, I think is the worry. Because as we've seen in the UK, if Tommy breathes, he gets arrested. In Australia, they don't need somebody coming up and showing them where their problems lie, they already know. And I think that every mainstream media outlet nowadays in the West is a containment operation.
Starting point is 01:12:13 It just wants to suppress information. It does not want to give you the truth. It doesn't want you to have any critical thinking. And when you get somebody on a show interviewing somebody like Tommy Robinson, who is, whether people like him or not, is a critical thinker, they start crapping themselves. And that's what it is. shame, but I'm sure he'll have a great career after this. Well, it's so interesting, isn't it, Father Calvin?
Starting point is 01:12:36 Because the mainstream media organisations always blame the advertisers. That's what GB News always used to do when you tried to get Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins on GB News. But at the end of the day, if all media organizations stood up to the advertisers, they would have nowhere to go. It's not just the media. It's the entire global elite. It's the left-wing establishment
Starting point is 01:13:05 that are petrified of us finding out the truth that mass migration is not good for us, that diversity is not our strength and multiculturalism destroys hegemony. And this is the problem. I had the exact same treatment. So it's not that they hate Tommy Robinson. It's the issues that he raises.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Two years ago, almost to the day, I was kicked out, expelled from the Conservative Party in Britain. They gave me two reasons. One was a series of seven posts associating with and openly supporting Tommy Robinson. And the other was that I posted on X, that we should protect British girls from Pakistani Muslim rapists. Like, what is wrong with either of those points?
Starting point is 01:13:43 Associating with Tommy Robinson is guilty by association because he points out the problem of Pakistani Mohammed and rape gangs. And the other issue they had clearly was pointing out Pakistani Muhammad and rape gangs. The left-wing global elite cannot stand us pointing out the problems of their policies that their policies produce in our countries, which is the rape of our countries, quite literally. Yeah, I mean, Calvin, you always make the point, too, that actually Tommy isn't really like that far to the right.
Starting point is 01:14:15 He's certainly not an ethno-nationalist in any way. He's a siv-nat. He is the opposite of racist. Isn't one of the problems, the fact that the mainstream media have almost talked up Tommy Robinson. to being something that he's not, which is part of the madness of this. Like, if they actually looked at his policies, it's like, this is why in America, they don't view Tommy Robinson as a big bad figure at all,
Starting point is 01:14:41 because they're like, he's actually to the left of a lot of our Republican politicians. He's a multiculturalist, he's a Zionist, he's a fan of Sikhism and Hinduism. He just happens to be anti-Islam, which most people should be if they know anything about Islam. He's a massive liberal, really and truly. He's a pretty nice guy, but he's not right-wing. He's not far right. It's absurd. They've painted him into like this Voldemort figure figure in Britain and seemingly in Australia that they can point him as the figurehead of the far right just because he points to the problem of Pakistani Mohammed and rape gangs.
Starting point is 01:15:14 I mean, I guess Molly Kingsley, what they're going to say, right, what Channel 9 will probably say is that Karl Stefanovic crossed some type of line by describing Kirstama as a wanker. But the problem is, that's just a fact, isn't it? arguably it is a fact yeah i mean what i find interesting about this is um carl introduced Tommy robinson i don't know if you played that bit but before the infiew started and it might have been the day before he said tomorrow i've got on Tommy Robinson who's one of the most controversial public figures in the UK so it wasn't like he didn't you know message that he wasn't a totally you know narrative friendly figure like he he said it as it was and they still get
Starting point is 01:15:55 rid of him. And I think it just, it's part of a kind of wider trend, isn't it, where we have seen so much that what would have been considered the moderate or even the unarguable position a decade ago, 20 years ago, has now become a very extreme position. And actually you say, and I'd say the conversation around Rupert, there's a lot of similarities with, like, these people who are just saying things as they are, the issue isn't with the people saying them. It's that actually we are in such a bad state that just stating the fact about how dire the situation is, whether that is lack of trust, whether that's immigration, whether that's the financial issue. I haven't really talked about that, have we? But, you know, the economic issue that actually just stating things as they are
Starting point is 01:16:38 has become this very radical, almost subversive act. And the problem isn't with the people saying it. The problem is with the state of our country. I know. I am just so sick of it, though, because the one thing that we do know, Charlie, is that all of these mainstream media organization host far leftists all the time who have views very often that are far, far more, like, quote, unquote, racist, like whom's a useless, many Hassan, Cheg, Uga, the list goes on. Now, I'm never saying don't interview them. I'm just saying interview us too. I mean, the left are interesting.
Starting point is 01:17:21 People find it odd that I listen to a left-wing podcast and I watch shows which are left-centered purely because I want to know what the opposition are thinking. You can't fight somebody when you don't know what they're doing and what they're thinking. And ultimately, I think that having a ding-dong, as it were, one is good for a show, it's good for people to watch, but it also exposes flaws in arguments.
Starting point is 01:17:43 Echo chambers don't really achieve too much. If we all agree on something, it becomes a bit of a routine show. And that's not your show. That's across all shows. But if you have people on that disagree that have maybe even disagree on the same side of politics, it actually makes argument stronger. And I think that's the best thing about being a conservative, being on the right, is that we're not afraid to have a conversation with anybody.
Starting point is 01:18:05 Why the lefts are afraid? 100%. 100%. And they are afraid. I mean, look at the lengths that the left went down to shut down the Islam debate at Oxford University, which Father Calvin was meant to be. part of the team alongside Lawrence Fox, but in the end it had to be postponed and the leftists still shut down the Oxford Union to such an extent that I think there are only 70 people
Starting point is 01:18:33 inside watching. I do think they're very scared about Tommy Robinson though because he is constantly on it with his own independent journalism. So when he was here earlier in the week, for example, after Kirstama announced that he was stepping down, Tommy Robinson immediately pivoted to Andy Burnham, the next Prime Minister of the disunited kingdom, and said that his research has shown that Burnham has worked alongside extremist jihadist groups. Watch this.
Starting point is 01:19:07 I investigated after the attacks in Manchester, the Ariana Grande attacks, I looked heavily into Manchester and I found Andy Burnham continually sharing a platform with MEND. I found him and his friends took money from Mend. Mende are a extremist jihadist group. He works alongside them, not just works alongside them. His council were holding joint seminars
Starting point is 01:19:31 across the area with this group. So Andy Burnham is in bed with Islamic Jihad as any of them are. He doesn't care. So, Molly, that's the issue, isn't it? like Tommy is onto it. He is immediately on to Andy Burnham. And these are messages and narratives that the mainstream media disc really wants to shut down. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:55 I mean, the closer you are to the truth, the more likely you are to be cancelled. I mean, I feel like I've lived that first hand. And it's really, really depressing because actually in an environment where I think many of us feel that actually independent news outlets, people like yourself, Dan, are beginning to break through. you know, just this week, we have a new threat to it. And actually it's, you know, I think what we're seeing is I don't think it's an exaggeration to say it's sort of almost an attempt at something that it approaches quasi totalitarian control of the information environment, actually. You know, just if there's an inconvenient narrative, the answer is to try and close that out
Starting point is 01:20:33 of public view. Or in fact, not even a narrative, a problematic person like Tommy Robinson. And the big problem is with, as I said before, with that person. Absolutely. What is so chilling. And I don't maybe talk enough about this stuff because sometimes it can feel quite inward looking. But I have a lot of respect for people in the independent media space like Maya Tusi and Andre Walker who do. And I need to talk more about it because I don't think people realize the threat that we are under. And by we, I collectively mean all of us here today because we're all in our independent zones.
Starting point is 01:21:08 people like Meyer, people like Andre Walker, they are so desperate to shut us down. And the government have actually produced this new white paper, which would mean that social media companies, including YouTube, but also including X and TikTok and all of the Biggie's Instagram, Facebook, would be legally forced to change their algorithms. Now remember, their algorithms, which are highly criticised are based on what people choose and want to watch. They would be legally forced to change their algorithms to boost above independent content,
Starting point is 01:21:47 like outspoken, the British Bashing Corporation, Wokai TV, sly news, Channel 4 News, and potentially newspapers like The Guardian and the Sun and the Daily Telegraph as well. That is sickening.
Starting point is 01:22:00 That is an actual bid that we are now facing as independent broadcasters for the government to put us out of business. And what's even more chilling is that they intend to in times of what they call like a national crisis. So, for example, when riots are kicking off, to be able to dominate the algorithm, which would mean if you wanted to find out the truth, like say last week, what's going on in Belfast? And remember, we had brilliant coverage from people like Sarah White, who was on the ground and UK sploosh on the ground and AY audits on the ground. What they want is to make it impossible
Starting point is 01:22:37 for you to see those types of independent journalists. Yet if you searched for Belfast or what was happening or Southampton, Henry Novak, you would see the regime coverage, the BBC coverage, Channel 4 coverage. This is chilly, but they are going to try and do it because I don't know if you ever look at the YouTube numbers for the organisations that I have just mentioned and they are tiny. Like no one is coming on social media to find out what the BBC say or what ITV news say. So as they lose their dominance on the platforms that have always hosted them, right, like the TV in your living room or the Sky EPG, we're legally, I don't know if you knew this, legally on the Sky EPG, which is like, you know, the electronic program guide or whatever channel you use. You see ITV, BBC, right at the top.
Starting point is 01:23:27 that is a legal requirement to try and give them in a monopoly on what you think and what you watch. So we are facing genuinely chilling risks and I will talk about it more because very often we have discussions. And for example, Maya Tusi is actually, I'm not revealing any big secret here, you know, he is actually taking Tusi TV offshore. He will very, very shortly be broadcasting Tusi TV from the United States of America because that gives him far, far more. free speech protections. And it's chilling that we're in that type of zone where we're thinking, oh my goodness, to broadcast to the UK, are we going to have to leave the UK? And I really don't want to do that, but that is the crazy, crazy time we're in. And Molly, I do want to talk a bit more about your new podcast too. But what we're going to do first is just find out who has won our union
Starting point is 01:24:17 jackass and greatest Britain today. First, though, to your feedback. Thank you for the superchats. PUDS 5102 says, please thank the father, Father Calvin Robinson. for his little saint stories. Well, I have done that now. Chaos UK 2026 says Dan, Vorder's backside will be Minister of Potholes. That's how crazy is. The Burnham Wave is no different. Runner on the Hill. Says Starma actually thinks he's rewilt the country and we're all better off now. He's sick in the head. Nicky 4OS 59. It says, I used to love Alex Phillips like reform, but now I am not sure she's helping with her approach to unite us. Calton Cross says Alex Phillips has put me off ever voting.
Starting point is 01:24:57 reform. I will be voting in Manchester election and reform will not get my voters because of her and Oakshot. Susan Judge 4192 says she's a raving, ranting lover apologist for Farage. She knows he's being outed as a grifter and Davos attending fake, shut up and get a real job, Rupert all the way. And Lammy is my Kang said Farage took all Farage, sorry, I'm not trying to be like James O'Brien who purposely mispronounces his name, Farage, took all the credit for promising a rape gang inquiry, but Rupert actually did it. Okay, a reminder of your nominees for today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass. The worst Britain in the world today. The nominees was Zach Pallansky, nominated by Father Cee for his climate hysteria. Sidney Khan was nominated by Charlie Sandson
Starting point is 01:25:43 for saying we need maximum temperature limits in the workplace. And Molly Kingsley went for Ian Murray for his role in proposing the Watch This Space Green Paper, which contains proposals to create an effective monopoly for legacy media in the public square, just what we have been discussing, of course. And the results are in 5% of you going for Ian Murray and Molly Kingsley, the runner-up with 15% of the vote, is Zach Polanski and Father Calvin Robinson, which means today's winner, oh my God, and it was a landslide for you, Charlie Sansom.
Starting point is 01:26:16 80% saying Sadiq Khan is the worst Britain in the world this week. Now, Molly Kingsley, you are nominating our Greatest Britain today. And I think it links really with why you've also decided to launch your broken custodians podcast. So take it away. Yeah, that's right. So I nominated Silky Carlow, who is the director of Big Brother Watch. And Big Brother Watch have just done the most amazing work to protect free speech. Yeah, and she's been fantastic.
Starting point is 01:26:47 And just a warrior for free speech. And she wrote in the telegraph, actually, I think it was a few days ago. and it came to light that her witness statement, she was required to give a witness statement to the COVID inquiry and actually, ironically, her witness statement covered censorship and the COVID inquiry censored it. I mean, you couldn't make it up. And actually, there are a whole load of other witness statements
Starting point is 01:27:07 that have been censored by the COVID inquiry. So that's maybe one for another discussion. But yeah, to the issue of censorship and why we decided to launch Broken Custodian, so it's a new podcast from the, you know, us for them, myself, my husband, other us for them colleagues. The reason for that was just we were left appalled by the last five years. The stories that we know are out there, that we have researched, that we have evidence that haven't got into mainstream press.
Starting point is 01:27:34 And the extent of the issues, as you said right at the top of the program down, the issues that are affecting kids. So we are particularly focused on things like ethics, on corporate corruption, on lack of governance. Our background is lawyers. We go about in quite a forensic, you know, meticulous way. So it may not be for everyone, but we'll be. like trying to stand up what we say. So, you know, if you followed us during the pandemic, if you are concerned about trying to fix things to kids, please do hop over Broken Custodians. Yeah, it's brilliant. It's brilliant. I am subscribed and I am watching and I am loving it.
Starting point is 01:28:08 Broken Custodians is the name of the podcast. You can find it actually just by searching on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. Of course, Father Calvin Robinson is the host of the Common Sense Crusade. Subscribe to him on YouTube too. You can watch our very personal interview from a couple of weeks back. And Charlie Sandsom is tonight guest hosting for Richard Taylor. My good friend Richard Taylor and his brilliant show, Ritchie and Rogue Unfiltered. I can't wait for that. What time does it kick off, Charlie?
Starting point is 01:28:38 We're kicking off tonight at 8 o'clock. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, it's going to be good. Excellent. Well, I will be watching Out in the Sun because have you noticed we're like the only show today that isn't bringing any his son. about what is actually just a very nice day of good weather here in the United Kingdom. Father Governor Robinson, Charlie Sandsen, Molly Kingsley, thank you so much for being here today.
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