Dan Wootton Outspoken - MASSIVE CLASH IN LBC STUDIO BETWEEN NIGEL FARAGE & JAMES O'BRIEN OVER POLITICAL LIES

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

A MSM onslaught against Nigel Farage. The Reform UK leader had an astonishing on air clash with the awful and truly nasty James O’Brien in the LBC studio after Farage slammed him for spreading despicable lies about him after the Southport Massacre. Then Richard Madeley pilloried him on Good Morning Britain over his support for Donald Trump following two assassination attempts. But Farage ploughed on nonetheless making a major announcement about Reform UK, which he pledged would hand control to its members. PLUS: Criticism of Free Gear Keir Starmer builds AND: Good Morning Britain is cleared by the crooked Ofcommunists, even though they allowed Ed Davey to interview his own wife To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Turn on your notification bells. Today, an msm onslaught against nigel farage the reform uk leader had an astonishing on-air clash with the awful and let's be honest truly nasty james o'brien in the lbc studio after farage slammed him for spreading despicable lies after the Southport massacre. Well, do you want to apologise, Ian Ailey, for anything you said now? No, I wish I... They're called the Farage Riots by some people. No, no, no, that was that moron.

O'Brien, that comes on this channel after you, who you... And no wonder my security detail's as big as it is. It's because of people like him. I have to ask you to expand on that. Well, when you spread hatred... I see. And you spread lies, you anger a lot of people like him. I have to ask you to expand on that. Well, when you spread hatred and you spread lies, you anger a lot of people, and then their feelings against you become potentially varned.

How big is your security detail? It's big, and it's changed a lot since quotes like that. Okay, so after that, O'Brien responded with more disgusting lies that will put Nigel's safety at threat in a major in-studio confrontation. So I'm going to show you what happened. Then Richard Madeley pilloried Farage on Good Morning Britain over his support for Donald Trump following two assassination attempts. That was awful too. I'll also show you. But Nigel ploughed on nonetheless, making a major announcement about Reform UK, where he pledged that he would hand back control to its members.

So in my digest next, why is the MSM so determined to shut down Farage and Reform UK? Then my superstar panel, Jasmine Birtles and David Atherton weigh in. Also coming up today, criticism of Free Gear Keir Starmer builds. Fresh from being Sakeer Starmer, the Granny Harmer, he's now Scrounger Starmer, Sponger Starmer. Unbelievable. Also unbelievable, Good Morning Britain,ared by the crooked off communists, even though they allowed Ed Davey to interview his own wife. I'll analyze how that decision proves the state censor is nothing more than a left wing political operation. Then in the uncancelled after show, PD, now you know I love her.

YouTube royal sensation, with a major revelation about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. So you can register to watch the after show right now on our own website, www.outspoken.live. It's a safe space, free of censorship, and your support at just £5 a month gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday, but allows me to continue to do this. Let's go. Today's new issue of The Spectator shows Nigel Farage's bruisers, including Lee Anderson and Richard Tice, coming for a downtrodden two-tier care, no doubt in free gear, paid for by a billionaire. The Tory mag campaigned ferociously against Reform UK at the last election, but the penny seems to have finally dropped. That Farage's surging party is the best chance to turn Slippery Starmer into a failed one-term Prime Minister.

And that's why why ahead of tomorrow's celebratory Reform UK conference in Birmingham, you will see the MSM rounding on Farage in spectacular fashion. So there was an astonishing interview on LBC this morning when Nigel Farage made it clear to Nick Ferrari that his security was now a real concern. Watch this. You won't be doing physical surgeries in Clacton? Not yet. Do you envisage that you will eventually?

When Parliament allows me. Why is Parliament blocking you? Have a guess. Have you been advised for your own security not to hold surgeries? I would have thought that would make sense, wouldn't you? Who has that advice come from? Well, you know, the Speaker's office. Lindsay Hoy's office.

And beneath the Speaker's office, there is a security team who give advice and say you should do some things and not do others. So we're not in a fit state to do the old style surgeries. But you know what, David? If you've got something to say to me as a Clacton resident, actually, Zoom is not the end of the world. So why is Nigel Farage under so much threat? Why does he need the security detail? Why is the Speaker's Office so concerned? Well, not surprisingly, I actually can't show you video of what Nigel Farage said next because LBC, the gutless labor broadcasting company, as I call it now, didn't

actually post the video. That's because he went on to blame the nasty the fantasist supporting, the hard left loser James O'Brien for the need for that extra security protection, for labelling the unrest after the Southport Massacre, the Farage riots.

Well, do you want to apologise, Ian Ailey, for anything you said now? No, I wish I'd the farad i wish by some people no no that was that was that moron obrien that comes on this channel after you who you and no wonder my security details as big as it is because of people like him i have to ask you to expand on that but when you spread hatred i see and you spread lies you you anger a lot of people and then their feelings against you become potentially violent. How big is your security detail?

It's big and it's changed a lot since quotes like that. How shocking. How absolutely shocking that blatant lies from James O'Brien are now putting Nigel Farage's life under direct threat. And mark my words, that is what's happening. You only need to look at what's happening to Donald Trump in the US to know that. So in an extraordinary moment of live radio, as the Farage interview finished, O'Brien, who clearly couldn't handle Farage spitting facts and criticising him on LBC, decided to launch another, and I would argue his most outrageous attack ever on Nigel,

even though Nigel was still in the studio chair. Thank you very much. Nigel Farage, thank you for appearing here on LBC and taking calls. I am done for another day. James O'Brien's the other side of the news on LBC. I'm with you tomorrow morning from seven. Meantime, stay safe. Thank you, Nick.

The time is approaching 10 o'clock, and, well, there's a lot to get through today. For example, have you ever had violent race riots named after you, or indeed been accused by the head of the Met of emboldening the racist thugs responsible? Has your vile and ignorant rhetoric ever helped instigate attempts to burn people alive in their beds? Have you ever cited a self-described misogynist facing rape and people trafficking charges in Romania

as a trustworthy news source for events in the UK? Or described yourself as part of a similar phenomenon to him? Have you ever helped a convicted woman beater get elected to the UK Parliament? And have any newly elected MPs spent more time in America getting binned off by Donald Trump than they have in their own constituency? And what would you call someone who answers yes to all those questions? Now, I'm actually truly disgusted. Firstly, LBC did post that clip to its social media.

They're proud of it. They were boasting about it. They just ignored the fact that Farage said, actually, O'Brien acting that way is putting me under threat. Emily Maitlis has been retweeting it. They love it. They love it because they don't give a damn about Farage's safety. I find it really shocking that O'Brien could have heard Nigel talking about his actual life being at stake because of his lies and then continue to spread hateful lies that continue to make the Reform UK leader a target. But this is just what we've seen out of the playbook from the Democrats in the USA,

where they continue to call Donald Trump a threat worse than the Nazis and then act all horrified when their supporters continue to try and take Donald Trump out. But LBC's wasn't the only egregious attack from the MSM. I was equally horrified today by Richard Madeley. Well, maybe not equally horrified. He's clearly not in the same category as James O'Brien. In fact, Richard Madeley is someone who I have always liked in the past. But he took the most cynical, MSM, heartless approach to Farage's support of Trump after those assassination attempts. Watch. You're very loyal to Donald Trump. How difficult is that when he says things like Springfield cats and dogs being eaten by immigrants? And how difficult is it when you hear him saying in the last few days

that he believes it was divine intervention that saved his life? Is that what he told you on the phone? I mean, yeah, you spoke to him on the phone. I mean, he can be pretty ridiculous, can't he? Isn't that hard for you to stay loyal to? Whenever Donald Trump makes a comment that is ridiculed, it always turns out to be true. I refer that to the cats and dogs.

And I find your line of attacking those who believe that there are sometimes divine interventions, that actually there are people out there that believe in God and believe that sometimes they get spared, I find that line of yours very cynical. Do you know something? I was in an aeroplane that crashed into the ground in 2010. I was smashed to pieces.

I shouldn't have survived. I've no idea why I did, but who knows? Maybe even I believe that at times there is a higher intervention that can work in your favour. I doubt that you would say that God wants you as MP for Clacton in the way that Donald Trump said that he thinks God wants him to be President of the United States. That's my point. Do you know what? British armies for centuries have fought saying God is on our side. People need to believe in something. And if you were facing the prospect of walking out of your front door and someone might shoot you every day because it's happened twice in the last two months, the fact that he has a religious faith maybe is what's giving him the strength to continue absolutely so we're now going to be pilloried in this country if we believe in divine intervention if we believe

actually that sometimes leaders are saved in miraculous ways and i think both donald trump and nigel farage have been saved in miraculous ways and when you are saved in miraculous ways. And when you are saved in miraculous ways, sometimes it changes your philosophy. Sometimes actually that's what drives you to do incredible things. But overall, I think the corrupt and the crooked and the captured MSM just exposes itself time and again, especially when it comes to Trump and Farage. Think how horrifying it is that they only have any sympathy or empathy for left-wing politicians that are targeted. So they don't have any sympathy or empathy for Nigel Farage. And I'm not going to show you it actually because it was too sickening,

but I'm going to contrast it to an interview that I watched earlier this week with Diane Abbott, accused of anti-Semitism on Newsnight by Victoria Derbyshire, where she got so much sympathy for such a long time over the fact that she received death threats. Nigel Farage genuinely being threatened physically, no sympathy from the media, their mainstream media whatsoever, and that is why you are turning off from their lives in droves. Farage pushed on, though, making this dramatic announcement about giving up control of Reform UK ahead of tomorrow's conference. I no longer need to control this party. I'm going to let go. We will change the structure of the party from one limited by shares to a company limited by guarantee. And that means it's the members of Reform that will

own this party. I'm relinquishing control of the company and indeed of the overall control of the party. It's now going to be the members and that I think is the right thing and it's the right thing because this conference marks the coming of age of Reform UK and that's something that I'm very very excited about. There will be a board put in place with elected representation to make sure the party is being managed properly and to make sure we don't suffer from entryism after all. We wouldn't want to be like the Labour Party when for a fiver or a throw,

people joined and made Jeremy Corbyn their leader. So we're up and running. We're on our way. I have a lot more to say at the conference tomorrow. All of these changes will be subject to working with the Electoral Commission, but I can't see that being any problem at all. I'm giving up control. I'm giving it to the members. So sounds good, right? Well, maybe not.

According to Reform SAC former deputy leader Ben Habib, who has been campaigning for some time for the party to democratise. And this is obviously the critical point. It doesn't deliver the ability to democratise. And this is obviously the critical point. It doesn't deliver the ability to remove the leader. And I really worry about Reform UK if only a few weeks ago its chairman was making promises which he must have known are not being fulfilled. That fills me with despair about the future of Reform UK and therefore I I'm afraid, the future of the movement Reform UK, Richard Tice, myself and others created, and therefore the trajectory of this country. It's that important. The constitution had to be got right. It had to be democratising. It had to be the democratisation of the party, because if we don't get that,

actually the threats facing the United Kingdom will not be able to be dealt with. So Nigel is under all sorts of attacks from the left and from the right. This is all in one day. Everything I've shown you has happened today. But what he's trying to do is navigate a sensible path to Downing Street. With so much constant blowback, it certainly won't be easy. But let me tell you, they are scared for a very good reason, because I reckon he's the country's next prime minister. Now, let me bring in today's superstar panel. Why do fintechs like float choose visa as a more trusted more secure payments network visa provides scale expertise and innovative payment solutions learn more at visa.ca

slash fintech and today i'm delighted that he's making his outspoken debut but someone who has appeared on my previous shows david ather, a broadcaster and journalist who describes himself as a proud libertarian who backs free markets and free speech. And returning to Outspoken today, the brilliant Jasmine Bertels, the personal finance expert, author of 38 books and founder of the excellent Money Magpie. So, David, I've got to start with James o'brien i just thought it was the most extraordinary i mean look i'm not gonna lie it was an astonishing moment of broadcasting there they are they despise each other in the same room literally going for each other but how tone deaf is james o'brien to hear nigel farage say i cannot even do an in-person meeting or surgery in Clacton because of advice from the Speaker's office regarding my security because of the lies that have been spread by James O'Brien. And then he came on moments later and spread more lies.

Well, let me quickly say that I too have had the same treatment. There's an Islamic fundamentalist site called Five Pillars. Yes. And I've been, they publicly named me as one of the top 10 Islamophobes in the country. I think alongside Faraj, I think. Yeah, indeed, yeah. Indeed, I think Darren Grimes was there. Ismail Okshar to Faraj, yeah, indeed, yeah. I think Darren Grimes was there. Isabel Oakeshaw, to be honest.

Exactly, yeah. And Five Pillars, post-7th of October, post-7th of October, there were two Jewish cultural centres. They mentioned in articles. One was in Ilford, the other one was in Hendon. It was a

Jewish boys' youth club. There was no suggestion that they deliberately incited it themselves but the next day there were a load of Islamic fundamentalists outside protesting at the site I had a visit from the police

five months ago because we've heard you've been getting death threats. I think the two may or may not be connected, but I totally empathise with Nigel Farage's

position at the moment. James O'Brien is a snivelling coward. He's a public school ponce. You know, he's blocked me on Twitter. I'm not rude on Twitter.

Oh, me too. Me too. You know, I'm not rude. I just have a different opinion. You know, I'm sorry, James. But he can't handle

a different opinion. Yeah, I know, exactly. That's the whole point. You know, and when people phone in who he disagrees with, he doesn't answer their questions.

It's just some verbal diarrhea word salad trying to show how clever he is when he isn't. He's just an ignorant twit. Jasmine, what did you think of what he had to say today? And I think, for me,

it's the context in which he said it, given that you've got Nigel saying, look, I'm under threat because of o'brien he he was laughing in farage's face over that yes there and there is a connection between farage and trump i mean with both of them they are genuinely under physical threat with trump we've seen two assassination attempts the second attempt was met with a sort of shrug of the shoulders by the MSM. I mean, you know, the first one, at least they took a bit of interest.

Second one, there's been another assassination attempt. It's an extraordinary thing. And then they make a big deal laughing about what he says about cats being sacrificed. But as Farage says, that's actually true. And with Nigel Farage, as you say, I mean, he's a human being. And we've already seen Joe, and I can't think of her surname, the Labour MP who was stabbed to death. Joe Cox, yes.

Joe Cox, she was shot, wasn't she? Shot, yes. And then we had a Conservative MP. David Amess, who was stabbed, yes. He was stabbed to death. It's a real threat. It's a genuine threat. And yeah, whether it's Diane Abbott or Nigel Farage or whoevers in fact quite a lot of them to be honest they are human beings and they need to be respected and they need to be kept they need to be protected whether you agree with them or not and you know of course everybody has their own opinions about it but we need to be human about it well of course we do but David it's the tone isn't it the tone from the mainstream media regarding anything to do with Farage is one of visceral hatred. Even Nick Ferrari, who is considered to be on the right, was highly sceptical there about what Farage was saying.

And Nigel is basically trying to say, look, I can't tell you why I can't do in-person surgeries in Clacton. And believe me, it's not because Nigel doesn't want to be in Clacton. He's in Clacton all the time. It's because his safety's under threat. Sure. It is dreadful when a popular, elected politician has

security like that, and he's basically being bullied and forced to succumb to the full hatred of the mainstream establishment and the metropolitan elite it's a dreadful situation we're in at the moment and believe you me my experience is it won't be nigel they'll be moving on other people soon no you know i'm spartacus at the moment too yeah it's really shocking. and I don't know who I'm talking about here, you know, this sort of, the people above the WEF, people above the UN,

above our governments, who seem to be, you know, moving the pieces at the moment, they really, really didn't expect Brexit and they really didn't expect Trump. So they're trying to just flatten the whole lot. But it's like they'll never move on from it. Right, David?

They'll never move on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dan, if I'm very brief, very quickly add, it's the reason that the liberal press in America hates Britain so much these days. The simple reason is that, as you say, Brexit was the outlier which paved the way for Donald Trump and we'll never be forgiven for that. Yeah.

No, absolutely. It's absolutely true. But how do you think LBC Jasmine continues to let James O'Brien broadcast in this way unrestrained? Now, you know, I'm a free speech absolutist, but you also know that I lost my mainstream media jobs for something I didn't even say. Yet there's absolutely no scrutiny of O'Brien. And if you look at his track record over the years, Jasmine, it has been absolutely appalling. He amplified those lies from Carl Beach, the pedophile and fantasist, which ruined the lives, actually, of many high-profile people.

He is allowed to continue the most damaging broadcasting day-to-day. Now, by the way, I am not advocating for a single second that he should be taken off air, actually. I think daylight is the best disinfectant. But I do find it absolutely ironic the way that there is no scrutiny of how egregious he is, given the scrutiny on people like me on gb news oh absolutely yeah there are definitely you know that we have a two-tier um media if you like probably more than that i think with with james o'brien he has a big following he

really does i've met a few people who go oh james o'brien isn't he great and i'm like no i really so you know fundamentally it's money um and you know what it's like people outspoken and ridiculous and appalling they they can they can have a a big strong following even if it's a following that hates him it's still you know a following but also you know i'm lbc is as you've mentioned this is very much establishment. James O'Brien speaks for the establishment, like Emily Maitlis and John Sopel. Yes, yes, absolutely. And they're all part of a little gang. Look, I just think if James O'Brien was a decent person, he actually had a moment there.

He had an opportunity in studio with Nigel to say, look, I completely disagree with all of your points of view. I'm going to continue to campaign against you on this show. Fair enough. But I'm horrified to hear that your safety is under threat. I'm horrified to hear that the Speaker's office doesn't think it's even safe for you to be in your constituency in Clacton. And James O'Brien could have shown that he actually was a human being with a heart. I don't think he is. Because if he was a human being with a heart, that's what he would have done. Because no broadcaster ever wants

to put anyone under threat. Ever. I would never want anything I say to put anyone under threat. And I think James O'Brien showed the world who he was today. I felt like it was a really significant moment. But David, I want to move on to the other big moment.

No, please come. Very quickly, they always say that the right think the left is misguided and the left hates the right. Yes. Totally. So true. So true. But David, I want to move on to the other big issue that I discussed in the digest today, which is this debate over

where the Reform UK is actually democratising. You saw Nigel Farage announce in a video clip posted on X this afternoon, I'm giving over all control to the members, Ben Habib not convinced. Where do you stand on this one? I suppose in a sense that's an internal matter. But I'm at the Reform Pi conference tomorrow myself, actually. I've got a media pass as well. So I'll do some digging for you, Dan, if I can. Yeah, it'll be good fun, I think. Yeah, I know.

You know, little birdie tells me that Nigel likes to be in charge. And he's not the greatest fan of dissent, you know. But the point is, you've got to say, he has been probably one of Britain's most effective politicians in the last 20, 30 years. So, you know, you can't really take that away from him. It sounds to me as if he's come under a little bit of pressure to democratise it.

I think it was a limited liability company rather than specifically, you know, a political organisation. Good, you know, I think that should be the case. But the only thing is, when you get smaller parties, like we saw with UKIP when Nigel Farage moved on to the Brexit party, UKIP rather fell apart with lots of infighting. It's still going on today. So, you know, Nigel is reform's greatest asset. And maybe they should be as kind as they can towards him as possible.

So I wish Nigel well. I think at the moment, the way I see Britain at the moment, Nigel is Britain's last hope. Well, I agree. I agree. And the thing is, Jasmine, look, Nigel is not perfect, but no human being is perfect, actually. I worked with the guy for three years. I consider that I know him pretty well.

And trust me, out of everyone who I worked with at GB News, he was, you know, in the top five. He's a decent guy. He's a decent human being. So while he's not perfect, I do find it a bit disturbing, Jasmine, the amount of attacks that he's receiving from the right at the moment, given I do think he is our best hope and given I do believe he could be PM in 2020. Absolutely. And, you know, like you, I know I don't know nearly as well as you do. I know him sort of well enough to know, as you say, that he's a decent guy. He's an interesting person. He's very colourful. And yes, he loves

the limelight. So people who love the limelight, they tend to attract good and bad. And I think he's being attacked by the right as well as by the left because he's doing good stuff, actually. And it's quite clear that he is successful, that his party, you know, this very new, very small party is being remarkably successful. It's hitting above its weight and they don't like it. And I do know really, and I'm sure you do, that essentially the Conservatives have been destroyed by themselves and then finished off by reform. And once he's sorted them out he's then he's going for labor and yeah like you said yeah i think it's quite possible that he could be um prime minister at some point because the conservatives have have utterly shot themselves in the foot they've gone so central that they're

pretty much socialists now labor interestingly has gone tory i mean you know within the first week they were saying right we're going to cut this, we're going to cut that. So it's quite funny. There's no difference between the two of them, and that is the issue. That is the issue. It is the issue.

And as you say, you know, to go back again to Trump and Farage, they are the outliers. And the Uniparty, which has also, you know, academia, the media, the civil service, pretty much all of the establishment in with it. They're all in bed with the same people. They hate these outliers because the outliers are actually being successful. They're speaking the truth and they hate that. So I can quite see Labour and Conservative ganging up specifically against reform just to sort of try and destroy it before it even grows. Well, if the Conservative Party do that, that would be the end of the Conservative Party.

Well, I think we might be heading that way. Yeah, indeed. You know, I've been looking at Robert Jennerick's stuff. He looks to be fairly sound. Yes. You know, perhaps he's like Saul on the boat to Damascus. Actually, there's one question I've rippled off of Robert Jenrick. From his time from being an MP and being an immigration minister, to what extent did his views on immigration change

in that time when he became a minister? To be honest, I think they have changed a lot. And I agree with you. He's the best of a bad bunch. And there's a lot of what he says that I agree with. But the difference compared to Jenrick and Farage is that Farage... Yeah, well, the thing is, Farage believes this. He's fought for this for years, whereas Jenrick has only believed very recently but look reform uk have launched an

astonishing attack on the prime minister free gear care scrounger starmer sponger starmer the king of cronies i'm going to show you the two attacks now first richard tice the deputy leader of the party. Fresh from being Zakir Starmer, the granny harmer, he's now Scrounger Starmer, Sponger Starmer. Unbelievable. Free gear, Kia. The man who came into politics saying he was going to clean everything up, Mr Integrity, get rid of all the cronyism. Far from it. He's the king of cronies, no less. Yes. I mean, let's just look at the hospitality, the gifts that he's received. He's received in the last five years well over £100,000 worth.

Over double what any other MP has received. Quite remarkable. I'm pleased to confirm that I've paid for this shirt and this tie and everything else that I'm wearing today and every day. I mean, this man, Starman, he's a con man. He's a fraudster. He's a liar. Con man, fraudster, liar.

Really strong words, but Reform UK, as they continue their Trump-like approach to campaigning against this Labour government, and by the way, I say that as a compliment, has produced their own video on the matter, called Donagate. Congratulations. Thank you. absolutely brilliant stuff what is this all about?

Well, even the mainstream media can no longer ignore just how egregious Starmer is using his office to line his own pockets. Watch this. It's from Sly News. And he's been promising he's different to his predecessors. Now, he must declare everything he receives, and he's received a lot. Look at this. £107,000. In fact, even more than that. That's the total gifts and hospitality he has registered

since the start of the last Parliament. Holidays, theatre, music, football tickets, hotel stays, all within the rules, Downing Street says. But now look at this from our spreadsheets. Compared to every other current MP, Keir Starmer comes top of the charts. He has accepted more freebies by far than anyone else. Two and a half times more than the second highest claimer of freebies.

Now, what this table here is, is the top 10 MPs who've accepted the most in gifts, excluding legal fees. Jasmine Birtles, I mean, you're the money magpie, but even I can understand a chart like that. It's not close. As someone who does help people with their personal finance, if someone is earning £400,000 a year and has a fortune of £10 million, is there any need to ask a billionaire to buy your clothes or for someone else to pay for your concert tickets. And that chart that you've got up there right now,

that really shows it in living colour. I mean, that is way more than twice the amount of the second person. It is astonishing. It's the hypocrisy. It is the rank hypocrisy that really rankles, I think, with me and with anybody else. Because, you know, if that were a Conservative MP, everybody would be jumping up and down, going, oh, Conservative MP, typical of them.

But we're talking Labour, Labour MP, who's been saying, oh, no, we're going to tax the rich. We're going to have a go. We're going to look after the workers, going to look after the poor. And I'm clearly not doing that. But they're just to look after the workers gonna gonna look after the poor and i'm clearly not doing that um but they're just raking in the goodies now i do understand as a journalist i understand it is difficult when you're being offered freebies all the time because you know what it's like dan you know and and you david you know we are offered freebies all the time and you have to be really careful with it wish i was i'm cancelled well last week was my birthday i'd like to declare that one of my followers sent me some chocolates

so thank you julie but david in all seriousness though the difference here is that stammer came into office saying all of this was going to go. There was going to be a new broom. All of the cronyism, all of the lining of your own pockets, all of the looking after your mates. And he has proven himself to be a despicable liar and a hypocrite. Yeah, I am different was the phrase he used. No, he's not. No, that is the most disgusting.

Yeah, it is the most disgusting and yeah you know he's the most disgusting and depraved um abuse of power in my opinion you know but broad alley did get his although i believe they've taken it away lord only did get did get a down in street pass and yeah you know and he really needs to ask the question why was he given one and what information was he proving too you know and was he involved any meetings you know look at this new revelation from the daily telegraph uh david here stammer repeatedly used an 18 million pound penthouse owned by the labor donor lord ali before entry number 10 he was there on election night he had meetings there what is going on with this guy lord ali and stammer it's weird isn't it and surely this is what the

mainstream media should be trying to uncover well indeed you know that's exactly the point why would he want to use an 18 million pound penthouse for you know no can't he hire the local churchill like we all would do now why it has to be such a grand grandest venue um you know i you know probably the probably the laws of libel probably stop me from speculating too much here. Yes. But there's been a lot of speculation. I think that's what we should say.

There's been a lot of speculation which Starmer has always managed to shut down. And it's very interesting to me, Jasmine, because the mainstream media loved covering Boris Johnson's personal life. They loved it. They lapped it up. Whereas for some reason, when it comes to Starmer, he's off limits. Oh, no, no, no. Boris Johnson's personal life. They loved it. They lapped it up. Whereas for some reason, when it comes to Starmer, he's off limits.

Oh, no, no, no. That's his personal life. We can't talk about it. Yeah, absolutely. And here again, we see the establishment, the liberal left, whatever you want to call it, centrist establishment holding together. They're all looking after each other's backs. And it very much is happening in America.

I mean, you know, goodness knows about Harris's background. We hear little bits, but the mainstream media doesn't cover it. All the terrible... I mean, exactly. Whereas Donald Trump's personal life, which was colourful, let's be honest, they went to town on. Kamala Harris, I want you to know it's very sexist if you talk about the guys who she slept with to get to the top in politics and in entertainment in California. So we're just not going to touch it. I mean, the other thing I find completely astonishing, though, is seeing all of these arch champagne socialists.

And I've always known they're champagne socialists right but now having to defend the indefensible because they are champagne socialists and really they all do it they're really having to speak the truth despite the fact that i've spent years trying to be all high and mighty and the best example of that is emily thornberry because she to me is the ultimate champagne socialist remember she's the one who hated the saint george's flag you know oh you're real scum if you fly the england flag outside of your house watch her on sly news make the most pathetic argument as to why someone worth 10 million pounds needs a billionaire to donate their clothes. You will cringe. The public want politicians to be perfect, but they also want them to be human. And so they want us to be turned out perfectly and to wear, and not just us, our partners as well. And if

you're the wife of a prime minister, you have to look absolutely splendid at every moment. But he's a millionaire, he can buy his wife a frock. I mean, so you can buy her own frock. I don't know the decisions about who has the money or how much money there is for clothes or anything else, but if there are offers of donations of assistance, then I think you have to say, well, what are the principles behind this? Funny, Jasmine, I've never really thought

Emily Bromby viewed being turned out perfectly as a priority but what a crazy argument for a socialist to make it makes me think of animal farm doesn't make you think of animal farm you know that some some animals are more equal than others um two legs better yes yes two legs, two legs better. It gets to that point. You know, you're at this point now where you're justifying stuff that you would have screamed at the conservatives for doing

or even thinking of doing. And again, it's this level of hypocrisy. And it shows, I think, the fact that now Labour in this country and the Democrats in America have got to the point where they hate their core voters. They hate the working class. They really do. What they want to do, they like

people like themselves, champagne socialists, people who work on a computer, people who've got a university degree in something like, you know, I don't know, gender studies or something helpful like that, you know. Those are the sort of people they work for. They loathe, detest and despise the actual working class that they were originally supposed to be presenting. Well, indeed, I'd have more respect for Keir Starmer's wife, Victoria, if she was wearing the same dress twice. That's respect.

I think we'd be OK with it. Yeah. We'd cope. We'd cope. I think we'd be okay with it. We'd cope. I know. Exactly. I saw Prince Charles when he was down in his duchy at Cornwall and you can see from his Burberry jacket that he was wearing, it had been repaired.

I've had one for quite a long time. They're lovely and comfortable. Yeah, the royals all recycle their clothing, actually. It's something they do. You see Princess Anne sometimes in outfits that she wore, seriously, four decades ago. So no, there's no excuse for this. They are charlatans.

They are hypocrites. They've proven themselves very quickly. I actually think it's great because everyone's woken up very, very quickly to what I've always known these people are. But I thought, gosh, they might at least try and hide it from the world for a few weeks. Nope, they haven't even done that. But look, breaking right now, huge reaction to my interview yesterday with Bernie Spofforth, the businesswoman from Chester, who was wrongfully arrested by the police for a post on X. Now our

very own superstar panelist David Atherton has experienced something similar which he's going to talk about for the first time but first here's a reminder of what Bernie told me yesterday. This new Labour administration was trying to make an example of people, the folk who were involved in the so-called riots after the Southport massacre, and the people who were described as quote-unquote keyboard warriors. So I know there was some taunting towards you about the fact that you were going to spend

a lot of time in jail, and at this point, presumably, you thought that you were going down for what, two or three years like Julie Sweeney or Lucy Connolly or Wayne O'Rourke? Well, you know, I'm such a big believer in democracy and injustice that I knew that because I was innocent and I hadn't done it and that I could give them all the evidence I hadn't, that of course they weren't going to arrest me. Of course they weren't, because why would you arrest someone who hasn't actually broken the law? So, David, you had a very disturbing and similar experience, I believe.

Indeed. What can you tell us about it? A bit of a trendsetter, A bit of a trendsetter. A bit of a trendsetter. This happened in May, April, May time, when it all kicked off. By the way, very quickly, when those five policemen turned,

two policemen turned up to warn me about death threats, one was caught short and, you know, and desperately wanted to use the toilet upstairs. Now, you know, I know that was a story because you want to have a look around upstairs to see what kind of paintings and books they kept. Don't know, but that's speculation. But anyway, there's a tweet I sent out

which had about a million views. It says, F for Hamas, F for Palestine, F for Islam. And it says at the moment, you know, if you're a complainer about Israel, go and live in a Muslim country. And it's a meme, you know. You can say it's rude and offensive, but, you know, I don't think it's illegal. You know, when John Snow said, F the Tories at Glastonbury, everyone thought it was funny.

So, you know, I can't see the difference here. But anyway, the police... When John Snow said, F the Tories at Glastonbury, everyone thought it was funny. So, you know, I can't see the difference here. But anyway, the police... And that was the post in question that the police were targeting you over? Yeah, indeed, yeah. Saying what? That it's hate speech? Or what's the argument? Well, they got me in. What I think the police were trying to do

was see if they could identify me as a Sam Media-type, extreme right-wing Hitler, anti-Semitic person. You know, Sam Media was jailed for two years for putting up stickers. I've read the transcript of the judge's comments, and Sam Media was only guilty of having had a bit of wrong think he did not say anything that was illegal at all he's put up stickers and sold stickers which

said white lives matter and uh you know um it was fairly sort of what's the word anodyne that's the word that's the word i'm looking for and you know he also remarked on the great replacement as well and the police were very insistent that i came that came in and see and see them and i sort of put it off and ignored it and things like that then one day they knocked me knocked knocked knocked on the door uh two police were knocked on the door they gave me a letter said if you don't come in on this time this day we'll arrest you and so i went so i went went into the police station um very very secure area they took all my phones and all my equipment off of me and and uh the detective comes detective

constable sat me down and you know and he asked me a lot of questions which i broadly don't commented on what i think that was they were looking for like for, like they did with the riots, was for me to incriminate myself and say nasty things about Islam or Muslims, so they could then charge me. I still don't know what the outcome is. It was in May, that's about four months ago.

They haven't contacted me. You never know. I might still be up in front of the magistrates or Crown Court. What a waste of time, Jasmine. Isn't this just chilling? I mean, we literally have police not turning up to robberies, burglaries, muggings, violent attacks, but they're wasting so much time patrolling tweets.

And let's be honest, on the whole, it is tweets from people who are considered to be on the right or conservative. And any far left tweets, they're perfectly acceptable. Again, we have the left wing establishment looking after its own. zone. And as has been mentioned on social media many times in the last couple of days, you have the difference in the sentencing of Hugh Edwards for paedophilia, effectively, which is just, you know, six months, you know, not real. It's just not real. You know, he's not going to prison. And then somebody saying hurty words to a police dog gets a couple of years in prison. It's a ridiculous thing. And as you say, everybody complains about the fact that we have more crime and we have less policing of that crime. Even when it comes to shops and supermarkets, perfectly all right to steal

stuff up to, what is it, 250 quid or something. You can go into the supermarket, steal a load of stuff, walk out, nobody's going to do anything about it and yet again if you put something a bit unpleasant or a bit slightly you know dodgy on twitter you could be in prison it's an utter nonsense yeah absolutely indeed yeah so no i see the fact you can't walk down the street anymore, but also the fact that it's unsafe for women at the moment to go out on the streets, it really is the greatest misuse of public time and public money. By the way, Paul Springfield, the guy who failed to jail Hugh Edwards.

Do you remember in 2021 when Sir Chris Whitty was molested? the guy who failed to jail Hugh Edwards. Do you remember in 2021 when Sir Chris Whitty was molested? Yes. Paul Springfield was the magistrate who jailed that guy for eight weeks. Yeah, who, by the way, was a kid who apparently, I don't want to speak out of turn, but apparently I think has a few issues. Autistic. he was autistic he's autistic learning difficulties you know and you know he was a molested he was bullied

horrible thing to do he just felt yeah but he just filmed a little video like honestly i mean yeah the fact that i went to jail and hugh edwards didn't it is mad well look thank thank you for explaining it david but it's very shocking for all of us and a lot of people who are watching who might want to be outspoken on X. It's obviously the name of my show. And the police should actually be focusing on violent crime. This is nuts. But look, do stand by David Atherton and Jasmine Bertels because in just one minute, how on earth can the off communists have cleared Ed Balls for interviewing his own wife? This is just such a stitch up. First though,

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chillingly and somewhat ironically, the need for social media censorship. Watch. Can I ask, because we've talked about this a few times in the last few days, like many of our viewers will have done at home since those terrible killings in Southport. There have been identifiable individuals on social media who have been inciting not just riot but violence. They've been using racist language. They've been using falsehoods about what happened in Southport. This is happening on the social media platforms. What can be done, what should be done now

by the social media companies and can be done what should be done now by the social media companies and the police and the government to stop this happening because it's been happening for a week well you're right ed that we have seen these uh the what things that are appearing online that are clearly criminal that social media has put rocket boosters under the far-right extremist organisation and also some of the violence that we have seen organising some of the violence. Things that are criminal offline are also criminal online. So we also expect the police to be pursuing criminality, illegal material that is online and to make sure that they also face the full force

of the law. And there's also an issue about social media companies here. They have to take much greater responsibility for what is happening on their platforms that, frankly, they make huge amounts of money from and therefore they need to take much greater responsibility. We're going to be pursuing that with the social media companies this week as well. and aluminum wheels off-road suspension with available two-inch factory installed lift kit plus a towing capacity of up to 13 200 pounds you'll be ready for anything this truck month truck month is on now ask your gmc dealer for details i think can you believe that we've been speaking about this this week what in bed and then and then Yvette Cooper replies you're righted so Jasmine Birtles my understanding and by the way I had to have an understanding about how the off communists operate because they do censor free speech all the time on GB news and that is in the end the

reason why I had to go by Mark Stein had to go by Lawrence Fox had to go, why Mark Stein had to go, why Lawrence Fox had to go, why Father Calvin Robinson had to go, because we weren't prepared to play by those rules fundamentally. But my understanding of the rules was that they always had to be challenge. That's how you could get away with it. They always had to be some sort of counter viewpoint. We've got a former Labour Party minister interviewing a current Labour Party frontbencher, a member of the cabinet, who he is also married to. Absolutely no dissenting views whatsoever. No challenge to Yvette Cooper. And the off communists are not even going to investigate.

No, and I think part of that is because of what they are talking about. I mean, wasn't it yesterday that Hillary Clinton said that we've got to stop people having free speech, you know, on social media? And Kamala Harris said it, Waltz agreed. You know, so there's a push across the world for dampening down on social media, because although there is a whole load of egregious, disgusting stuff put on every moment, certainly on social media, there is a lot of truth. And the last thing they can have, and certainly the last thing the off communists want, as

you say, is truth getting through you want to have the just the establishment's view the the the story that we're all supposed to have that's the only thing that can get through so i think that's another reason why the off communists liked it liked it but of course it's also because it's labor and anything labor does is perfectly fine anything that the conservatives or you know definitely reform does is evil end anything that the Conservatives or you know definitely reform does is evil end of yeah I mean I mean David before the last election or it was actually a bit before that I think it was before the last budget GB News was actually found in breach by Ofcom because they had uh uh Esther McVeigh and Philip Davies,

a husband and wife partnership, interviewing the Chancellor at the time, Jeremy Hunter. They were found in breach. There's two-tier regulation here, isn't there? Well, you know, you've hit the nail right on the head. By the way, listen to that conversation between Ed Balls and his missus Yvette.

I was trying to wear what I found most offensive. The fact was they were interviewing each other or a content, but that's by the by. Anyway, moving on from there. Yes, please. It's not something that anyone wants to visualise,

but go on. Sure, absolutely, yes. And indeed, when it comes to the BBC, the BBC, of course, mark their own homework and they handle all complaints internally. Do you know how many complaints made it to Ofcom from BBC last year? How many? One.

One. Pseudocryst. one one and the bias the the you know the bias on the bbc so you know i have been purposefully tuning in to certain shows on the bbc jasmine so that i can track the bias and this week there was a panel on Newsnight. It was about an interview with Diane Abbott. And the panel was a former Liberal Democrat leader, Joe Swinson, and a current Labour peer. And alongside Victoria Derbyshire, who had just conducted the absolute fawning interview of Diane Abbottott they all just gushed over this woman now this is a woman yes she is a trailblazer in lots of ways first black female mp you can have respect for that she's also someone that lost the whip from the labor party because of out and out racism and antisemitism but there was absolutely no pushback about this woman now all i want now you know my ideal world jasmine the off communists would not exist the bbc would not exist put this

all out to the market we do not need to be patrolled by a state regulator which is incredibly nefarious but given we do have the rules, surely if GB News can't get away with it, then the British bashing corporation shouldn't be able to get away with it. Where is the balance on a panel where you've got horning BBC Labour-loving interviewer, Liberal Democrat former leader, and a Labour peer? There's no balance there. No, none at all. And as you say, GB know, GB News gets it in the neck every day. They're constantly trying to kill them. And again, it's like Trump and Farage. GB News is an outlier. Even before it existed, there were people trying to stop it, you know, giving birth, frankly.

Talk TV seems to get away with it a little bit. Maybe it's because it's protected by Murdoch. But with GB News, they're trying desperately to get rid of it. And the Ofcom, as you know, was set up by Blair. And I think it's still run by Blair's cronies. And one thing, again, that Blair can't bear is free speech and free thought. You know, he's one who wants to have everybody jabbed with every type of vaccine or lead vaccine he can find. And digital ID. I mean, look, the guy's terrifying. Big time, absolutely.

Probably the thing that summed up best of all was Adam Bolton, the former chief political correspondent for Sly News, when he said that GP news and talk tv was upsetting the delicate broadcasting ecosystem yeah basically only giving the plebs what we think well the great thing is we're all together now this is a completely independent platform i'm not patrolled by the off communists at all obviously i do have to work within big tech regulation which is a whole other conversation but we can have smart intelligent discussions without the need for that faux balance and look i feel we've done that today what a fabulous superstar panel the journalist and broadcaster david atherton and best-selling author and financial goddess Jasmine Bertels.

Thank you both so much. Thank you. No, thank you. Great to be here. Now, coming up in the uncancelled after show today, it is a special royal edition with the YouTube sensation P.Dina. She has some major news to reveal, big news to reveal about Prince Harry and Meghan markle and about the fact that megan

markle has been doing something that prince harry doesn't know about that he would be very unhappy about so you're really going to want to watch this interview with pd nut she's a brilliant royal commentator based out of america and you know it's very important to me based on the conversation that we were having with david and jasmine that we do have a safe space that isn't patrolled by big tech because on big tech censorship and control still run deep. So that is actually the reason behind www.outspoken.live. It is my website, but also our membership section where you get half an hour of extra content every single day. So at this stage, we come off YouTube and rumble. We move to our own platform to continue the conversation in the uncanclled after show all you have to do is register right now at

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