Dan Wootton Outspoken - MASSIVE SHAKE UP ON RIGHT AS RUPERT LOWE & BEN HABIB LAUNCH REFORM RIVALS TO NIGEL FARAGE

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. BREAKING TODAY: It’s game on, with two major right-wing political organisations – one a party and another a movement – launched today to rival Reform UK and Nigel Farage after that party’s launch to the left, rejection of Tommy Robinson and decision to cast out hundreds of members based on offence archeology. We’ll be joined by the two men behind these two insurgent forces on today’s show: -Rupert Lowe, the former Reform UK MP, now leading Restore Britain -Ben Habib, the former reform UK Deputy leader, now the leader of the new party Advance UK, which has been unveiled today. PLUS: Farage ally Alex Phillips responds to the launch or Restore and Advance, as Nigel gives a new interview designed to further distance himself from Tommy Robinson. AND: A weekend of shame for the British Bashing Corporation, as Glastonbury turns into an anti-semitic cesspit, and the British police and deep state, which have once again proved we live in a two tier society with free speech only reserved for those on the left. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: King Charles has ensured Prince Harry, Meghan Markle and their two children Archie and Lili will be at the centre of his state funeral, in shock new plans leaked over the weekend as the monarch’s cancer battle continues. But is that a mistake that will put William in an impossible predicament? We’ll debate with the Royal News Network. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken Live episode number 259 and breaking today, it's game on with two major right-wing political organisations, one a party, the other a movement, launched within the past few hours to rival Reform UK and Nigel Farage after that party's lurch to the left, its rejection of Tommy Robinson, and its decision to cast out hundreds of members based on offence archaeology. Now we'll be joined by the two men behind these new insurgent forces on today's show. Rupert Lowe, the former Reform UK MP now leading Restore Britain, he's standing by live. And Ben Habib, the former Reform UK Deputy Leader, now the boss, the leader of the new party, parties and movements in my Digest next. Also coming up on the show today, Farage ally Alex Phillips responds to the launch of Restore and Advance as Nigel gives a new interview designed to further distance himself from Tommy Robinson and the latest on Slippery Stama's very obvious public breakdown. And a weekend of shame for the British Bhing Corporation as Glastonbury turns into an anti-Semitic

cesspit and the British police and Deep State have once again proved we live in a two-tier society with free speech only reserved for those on the left. Then in the uncancelled aftershow on Substack, King Charles has ensured Prince Harry, Meghan Markle and their two children, Archie and Lily will be at the centre of his state funeral and shock new plans leaked over the weekend as the monarch's cancer battle continues. But is that a mistake that will put William in an impossible predicament? Well we're going to debate that with the Royal News Network in the after show over on Substack www.outspoken.live

if you want to sign up. And let me tell you, it is a Glastonbury themed edition of our first Union Jackass poll of the vote. You can vote right now in the live chat on Substack, but here are your nominees. Predictable but brilliant, I would say. Bob Villan, nominated by Darren Donaldson for being an edgy rap poet from Ipswich, fitting in nicely with his double-barreled surname with all the over-endulge lefty trust fund vegan twerps lisping their right-on support at his foul-mouthed rants. Tim Davey nominated by the Purple Yoda One, the very far left BBC, AKA the British Bullshitting Corporation. And of course he is their Director General. And Neekat, nominated by Big Mama Booth.

She's very simple about why. For being the utter scum they are. In the past few minutes, the police have reluctantly launched investigations into Bob Villain and kneecap. We all know where that's gonna go don't we? We all know that Lucy Connolly is rotting away in prison for one tweet that she deleted within hours and the chance of Bob Villain or kneecap seeing a jail cell is nil, is zilch. And I'm a free speech absolutist but the problem is how can we continue to accept a two tier society when people like me, people like Lucy Connolly

are immediately punished yet these lefties are always let off. We'll discuss it later in the show, but now let's go. You wait for months for a truly right wing political party or movement designed to save the UK to come along, and then two are launched in the space of a matter of hours. Yes, this is a dramatic day in the small C conservative movement in the United Kingdom. Not that you'd know it if you're looking at the MSM, especially TV news and talk TV who as we know have already decided the next election

result. They've already decided they're all in on reform despite it being potentially for more years until voting day. But this really is game on with former Reform UK deputy leader Ben Habib launching Advance UK, a future new political party, and axed Reform UK MP Rupert Lowe unveiling Restore Britain, a movement designed to jumpstart his bid to become Prime Minister. Meanwhile, Nigel Farage made it very clear to Britain's deep state, the MSN and Westminster establishment that it's a case of getting behind him or what comes next will be far worse, like shock horror, genuinely right wing. This from the Sunday Times yesterday, the headline, if I can't give young men a voice, wait till what comes after me. And he told the paper's political editor, Caroline Wheeler, I'm not an

Andrew Tate's camp, but I see why he's doing well. He said clarifying he wants the support of young men because if I don't, you wait till what comes after me. He then added those who try to demonize me could be in for a terrible shock once I've gone. That's why we say we believe that we are the last chance to restore confidence in the democratic system to change things. Now World by Wolf had an interesting take on this. He said in an interview with the Times Nigel Farage admits his pitch to Middle England is basically, you might not like me, but I'll keep out any truly radical change agents from power. He openly says he is pushing an old-fashioned

agenda. He thinks a return to pre-1997 is enough. This clip of Farage boasting of his ability to keep out the British right then went viral. It makes it a very difficult thing to do. I haven't decided what I'm going to do, but something's going to come along. If it's not me, it'll be a Nick Griffin mark too. You know, we will have a rise of something way out on the right. It's happening as we speak all over Europe albeit aided by a proportion representation system. Something is going to change. Something is going to crack. And I think coming back to UK politics, you know, I think I've got a better understanding of those

red wall voters than than pretty much anybody frankly. But the first direct challenge to reform UK on the right has come today in this double whammy. And let's think about this, Farage is going to struggle to try and dismiss this as some sort of, you know, Tommy Robinson style extremist movement. Not that I believe that, but you know, that's what he always says. Because the leader of the new party is Reform UK's former deputy. And the leader of the new movement was until very recently its most popular

MP. So Rupert Lowe has unveiled Restore Britain, the start of a movement to bring a truly right-wing power base to the UK and he posted on X in the last few hours to explain. He said, today we are launching Restore Britain, a movement for those who believe that we need to fundamentally change the way Britain is governed. We will build a policy platform together. A movement will be created together. A path will be forged together. This is not a political party, but a fundamentally different way of doing things. Restore Britain will be built on a very different model. As a member of Restore Britain, you will have the opportunity to vote on the policies and principles you believe in. With this data, we will put pressure on the government and other political parties to recognise and act on the will of the British

people. Low tax, small state, slash immigration, protect British culture, restore Christian principles, carpet bomb the cancer of Wokery, fight lawfare, empower individual enterprise and plenty more. We will provide substance detail a plan. Where appropriate, private prosecutions will be launched, legal challenges brought and judicial reviews funded. We will fund independent investigative journalists to root out corruption and an FOI task force to expose government waste. A unit specifically for whistleblowers will be established to amplify their concerns. 2029 is the ultimate objective, but that does not mean we cannot affect real and positive change in the next four years. If we don't, there won't be

a Britain to restore. We won't talk. We will do. We will act. We will deliver. Meanwhile, Ben Habib has announced the launch of Advance UK. After months of speculation, he is planning to launch a new movement after he took over the former Integrity Party. The Express Party MP, Chairman of the Great British Pact, has described himself as the leader in waiting of the organisation. And I can reveal he has even held talks with Elon Musk about UK politics, opening the door to funding from the ex-Sentez LaMoguel, who has withdrawn support from Reform and Farage. Unlike Reform UK, Habib, who, by the way, he's putting his money where his mouth is, he's pledged to pump £100,000 of his personal fortune into the project, is promising that advanced UK will be democratic from top to bottom, with membership

open to anyone not currently part of another political party, including Tommy Robinson. There will be a representative college made up of elected members, which is tasked with making sure Habib and the leadership remains true to the party's founding principles. The board of directors from the college will oversee the executive, that includes Habib, and he has promised that members will even have the right to remove board members with a majority vote. While Reform UK has launched insane witch hunts against its members, candidates and in the case of Rupert Lowe, even its own MPs, in part based on this horrible concept of offence archaeology, like what

did someone post 10 years ago? Habib has pledged that his party has an absolute commitment to free speech, they will not please anyone for their views, including historic social media posts. Here's the launch announcement. Hello folks. Now some of you will know me as Ben Habib, the political commentator. Others as Ben Habib, the former deputy leader of Reform UK, as I was. Ben Habib, the Brexit Party MEP, as I was. But today, I address you in a new capacity. I address you as the leader in waiting of Advanced UK a new political force on the British political landscape a new political party Now while I believe there desperately needs to be a challenge to reform UK on the right because they attacking to the left on a host of issues they are

demonizing Tommy Robinson supporters and let's be honest they are attacking to the left on a host of issues. They are demonising Tommy Robinson supporters and let's be honest they are starting to embrace so much of the establishment. There is some confusion and frustration today on the right with Ben and Rupert both launching their new movements on the same day but the good news is we have both men here on outspoken today to cut through the spin and find out what's really going on First up Rupert Lowe Rupert Lowe congratulations on the launch of Restore Britain and I do want to come to it in just one moment But first you have been very outspoken yesterday calling on the BBC, the British Bashing Corporation to stop broadcasting Glastonbury

after this disgusting hate, this cesspit of Jewish hate which has come from Bob Villain, let alone all of the madness from kneecap. We've learned just before coming on air today, Rupert, that the police have now reluctantly, belatedly launched investigations into both artists. But the fact is the BBC knew exactly what these two were about. They knew exactly what Bob Villain was going to do and they broadcast it. Now I'm a free speech absolutist but I think it's pretty astonishing that the BBC will get away with this when I was booted from GB News for laughing at some sort of joke from Lawrence Fox that the whole left thought was the worst thing in the world yet they defend what went on on stage on Glastonbury. So can I

just get your reaction to the launching of this police investigation in the past few moments? Well, I'm delighted that they're doing that, Dan. We'll see what the outcome of it is. But I thought you would have enjoyed me describing that the BBC is a decaying monopoly. Yes. I think that's what they are. I mean, it doesn't mean to say there aren't some good people within the BBC, but... Not many. Not many these days, Rupert. The head of the beast is pretty rotten and it is now a maligned monopoly which needs

to be defunded responsibly. And those people who want to subscribe for it can and those who wish to watch other channels don't have to pay their BBC TV license. So I think Mr. Reath will be turning in his grave if he'd seen what happened yesterday and the vileness of what was said. I'm a proponent of free speech, but in the end, I'm not a proponent of people recommending mass murder. I mean, it's very obviously incitement to violence. But the thing is, Rupert, kneecap, go and call for Tory MPs to be murdered and the police don't investigate yet.

Lucy Connolly, Julie Sweeney, Wayne O'Rourke are rotting behind bars. I mean, surely this weekend provided the ultimate proof that we do live in a two tier society. Well, I think, you know, Dan, we've we've successfully launched a petition for Lucy. I've spoken to her. Incredible. And we hopefully will end up with a sensible Westminster Hall debate where we can raise these issues.

It'll be in Hansard and people can have a frank discussion about, you know, the rights and wrongs of it. But what I'm clear on is Lucy Connolly should not be languishing in prison. I think she probably got the wrong legal advice. And I think she's basically been a victim of, you know, people setting an example, because they were worried about the failure of our post-war multicultural society, which, you know, which keeps bubbling up. There's a bit of lava keeps bubbling up. And eventually it may well end in some disquiet. But I think she's been badly treated. We've highlighted that and hopefully the system will understand and not repeat their

mistake. Rupert, look, I know you've written directly to Tim Davie, well about Tim Davie, and you're very, very clear that the BBC should stop broadcasting Glastonbury. It was a very good letter. But I would argue, Rupert, don't we have to go one step further now? This organisation is shaming the UK on a global stage. Tim Davey was the director general as a convicted pedophile, announced the death of the late Queen Elizabeth II in Hugh Edwards. I mean, you have been a very successful private businessman. If the British Bashing Corporation was a business, it would have been shut down years ago. And I just feel like what do we just keep accepting this? Do we just keep accepting that this morally corrupt organization with

morally corrupt people in charge just get a pass because we have to pay this poll tax? Well, the answer is no. And I think the point we raised in my letter was not only the point about the decaying monopoly, which it is, it is a monopoly. But it is that, you know, it now is wrong to be using BBC TV license payers funds to fund something, which I think Glastonbury was probably at the beginning, a fun festival where people got together. I think it's now become a, I think we, you know, it's become a gathering of what I call rather woke, faux liberal people with their top of the range iPhones, as we said, sipping their eight pound lattes, locked in to ensure that other people can't get either in or out. And, you know, it's it's wrong for the BBC to be using their money to fund that kind of that kind of thing.

So I I think it's wrong to have a TV license now in the digital era. It needs to be defunded. It doesn't inform, educate or entertain anymore. And it is, as you say, a bad advert for Britain. So let's change that. But there is a reluctance amongst our ruling elite to do that, because I think they see the BBC argued as an ally. And, you know, it's, as I say, it's a decaying monopoly that's gone badly wrong.

Absolutely it is. monopoly that's gone badly wrong. Absolutely, it is. Now look, Restore Britain, lots to discuss here, the launch of your new political movement today. Can I just clear this up first off? Ben Habib asked you to become leader of Advance UK. I am told you said no, but is launching this on the same day sensible? Because it looks as if now you're at war in some way or that you're against each other in some way.

Is that true? And why did you turn down this offer to become leader of Advance UK? Well, firstly, we're not at war, Dan. Secondly, we are marching to our agenda, which was always planned. And Ben and I did discuss working together, but we had a philosophical difference of opinion. Ben wanted a party and I wanted a movement. And the essential difference between the two is that there are already a lot of parties out there. There isn't a unifying movement, which accepts the fact that Britain has gone badly wrong and unifies people from all political parties, in an attempt to bring common sense and logic to the way in which we're governed.

Now that doesn't mean to say that the movement won't either turn into a party, take over another party, or indeed play a part in another party. But the first thing to do is to unite people in a common purpose. And that common purpose is to take their country back. Because anybody who's operating in modern Britain now knows it's not the country it was. It's in danger of going very badly wrong. It's heavily indebted. It's riven with welfareism. It rewards people who don't contribute over those who do. And it's just got its priorities completely wrong. And if the what I call bedrock of decent people who want their country back, show that that's the case, join us, give us give us the the power to share

your voice loudly in Westminster. And I will do my best because I think we've got to do this before 29 on or before 2029. So I don't think Britain has much beyond. It won't take much more beating by this sort of woke liberal establishment beyond then. And I think the will by then have been destroyed. The state will be out of control. Welfare is and will be bankrupting us, and everything that we love about our country will be descending into chaos. And if you want an example, Dan, just look at Argentina. Argentina had a hundred years of vile socialism. They're one of the richest countries on earth in terms of natural resources. Geographically, and the people have now had enough there.

They earn very little. Their standard of living is very low. They've had 100 years of social suppression. And Javier Millay is now giving them some hope. And he, I think, is an example that people should look at if you want your country back, we don't want to go through a hundred years of being destroyed before with the penny drops. Bit like the communists, we don't want to turn

into a country of liars. I think we all want to be able to enjoy and share the truth together. And that's the way in which a country thrives. And at the moment, the truth is being kicked very, very firmly into the long grass. So let's all get together and restore our country, bring back some common sense and logic and start to slim down the state and empower the individual.

Of course, what lots of people will ask Rupert is about the exact mechanism of how we get there. I mean, it's quite astonishing in a way you have now been appearing in the preferred prime minister polling. Now, for an MP didn't necessarily have a high profile, especially in the red wall, you have really resonated. Of course, Nigel's argument is that you're just not famous enough. No one knows who you are. But is this the start of the path to try and get you into number 10 down in history? Like, are you being upfront in terms of that's what the ambition is? that's what the ambition is? Dan, I didn't have an ambition to become the leader of reform. I

I was doing my bit to promote what I thought was a path to a better way of government with Nigel, but for some reason, they chose to politically assassinate me. So I think people can see what I've been doing in a year in parliament. I'm, you know, I'm not the best thing since sliced bread, but all I do is stand up in parliament and speak the truth. And I think people can see that. I'm not in this for money. I give my parliamentary salary to charity.

I'm in this to change the way we're governed. I've probably got a lot less skeletons in my locker than Nigel. And the establishment will find it very hard to find anything which I've done that I think is wrong. I've been married for nearly 40 years. I've got four kids. I've paid lots of tax. I'm a provincial boy from Oxford. I've paid lots of tax. I'm a provincial boy from Oxford. I am what I appear to be. And I did run Southampton Football Club. I left it in Rood Health, built the stadium for them,

built the youth academy. I'm fanatical about sport. And I often get blamed for their demise, but that had nothing to do with me. So look- So you're saying Nigel does have skeletons in his closet that could impact. Well, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not saying he has or he hasn't, Dan, but he'd find it difficult to have less skeletons in the closet than I have because I am what I appear to be. So look, I've

run lots of businesses. I still involve myself with lots of my staff and people who've worked for me. I've never had any issues. Well, no, and the hit job. Look, everyone knows the hit job on you by Reform UK was disgusting. It failed. Nigel has privately admitted it was a huge mistake and that's why Zia Youssef had to go. Now, this is the first time we've spoken since his return to the party. I mean, I found that astonishing, Rupert, because lots of sources, senior sources within reform,

had been saying Nigel knows he's got to go. He makes that one threat to Andrew Pearce in the Daily Mail, or I'm going to blow the whistle on Reform UK, seem to be suggesting he was going to make some sort of claim of racism or something. And he's back. And he seemed to be suggesting he was going to make some sort of claim of racism or something and he's back. And he seems to be absolutely back at the centre of Reform UK. David Bull doesn't really seem to be making any of the decisions as chairman. It seems to be Zia Youssef. What hold do you think Zia Youssef has over Nigel Fridge and were you surprised by that

whole development? Well, I'm not really interested in reform now, Dan. Any members of reform who welcome what we're doing, they're very welcome to become part of Restore Britain. That's the whole purpose of this. It's cross-party. It's not partisan. But what's happening within reform is of spectacular little interest to me. What is of far more interest to me is to change the way we're governed. In answer to your previous question, I haven't fallen out with Ben at all. It was just an intellectual difference of opinion. He wanted a party and I wanted a movement. Can I ask about Robert Jenrick, because of course the Conservative Party is in a bad state, but you have had meetings with him. He's clearly the next leader of the Conservative Party. Is there the possibility that Restore Britain could become part of the Conservative movement,

or have you ruled that out? Look, I think, as I said, Restore Britain could become a party, it could form part of another party or it could take over another party. All its options will be open. As I say, we want to make it so that people can have input into the policies that we come forward with. And we are going to be coming forward with policies, which, you know, I like to see what the hands are doing, not what the mouth is saying. So a bit like we've, you know, done the rape gang crowd funder and the Lucy Connolly petition, and we've done lots of other things in parliament to move

the Overtoun window. We want politics of action, not of words. So I think with regard to the Tories, I get on extremely well with a lot of the young Tories in particular, who are very good people. I would welcome any Tory members come and join Restore Britain and give us your views on what policies you think we should be pushing forward to Restore Britain. I welcome everybody from every party. I think it's our country together, Dan, and we're not going to get it back if we splinter into parts. What we want is we want unity, unity of purpose. And that purpose should be to get our country back and start to restore the way we're governed. Now, if, you know, if I do talk to Robert, I talk to lots of people in the Tory party.

I'm now an independent. I'm, you know, I've got no whip telling me what to do, what time to be anywhere. But, you know, I've been very active and I hope people can see that whilst, you know, one man can't achieve anything, I think it shows that the truth is a light which parliament has been lacking. And all I do is speak the truth and I say what I think and I think a lot of people share my view. And if you share my view, sign up, join Restore Britain and I will do my best over the next four years to

end up ensuring and broking a better way of government. That's the objective that I'm setting out today. Well, I'm very excited about this, Rupert, because I just want to finally show your, I guess your policy platform when it comes to mass deportations because this is something which is a very, very important issue. And you say, deport all illegal migrants. Nearly 2 million illegal migrants live here,

costing 10 billion pounds a year. The asylum system will cost 6.4 billion pounds. Every single one needs to go. And what there is there is no grey area, right? No grey area, you're just absolutely telling it as it is. And then also net negative immigration. This is the other thing that is absolutely critical to me, because Reform UK is saying net zero immigration, which still means welcoming far, far too many people. And then you say the annual departure of legal migrants must at least double the Boris wave must be reversed. The asylum system must be abolished. Mill millions of foreign nationals who cannot speak English or fail to integrate

should go home. And again, no grey area here. And I think it's policy platforms like this, which will hopefully start shifting the Overton window. This is immigration, as they say in property, it's location, location, location. I think our problem at the moment is immigration, immigration, immigration. And I've been entirely consistent on this. All we're doing is spelling out what I've been saying, both in parliament and outside parliament. And we're intending to put these policies down so people can see the changes that we think need to happen in this country. And I think limited immigration, if it benefits the country is good. The mass legal and illegal immigration that we've had

under Boris Johnson, under Theresa May, under David Cameron, under Tony Blair, even, he started it, it's just not being good for the British people. And my view is that the British people should be put at the top of the agenda, not somewhere down at the bottom of the agenda. We don't want this society, this welfare society.

We want a society which rewards people who take risk and do things, employ other people, help other people, and generally innovate and make things happen. We don't want a society that sits pontificating and actually does absolutely nothing. And there's far too much of that about. So we're going to be issuing policy over the next month. And as I say, we want people eventually to have some input into the policy that we keep pushing forward.

And what we want to do is be the catalyst by 29 to change the way in which we govern for the better. And, you know, I'm fairly clear on that. I, you know, I can't go on running successful businesses with taxes increasing, regulation increasing, national insurance increasing, and basically no encouragement of those people who take risk for taking that risk and delivering. So what we want is an enterprise culture. You only really have to look back to what Margaret Thatcher achieved and, you know, empower the individual, disempower the state. Clearly, we need some functions of the state, but they need to be very, very minimal. And at the moment, we've got everything's about the state, not about the individual. Well, the state is a function of the individual. And you have to

look after the individual because the state tends to aggregate power at the expense of the individual. So let's get our country back, Dan, and we are starting that... Bring it on! Bring it on! I'm delighted to say two things to you. The first is that we've had a huge response so far. And we're looking forward to you signing up for the Cromwell Club, which, as you know, is this league club. It's got your name all over it. ALICE I must. I will. I will actually do it. I was looking at the website earlier, I will. I will put my money where my mouth is, Rupert. Because I love this. I'm not a party political guy, you know, but I'm absolutely

supportive of this movement. And so for me, this actually works perfectly. I love it. So bring it on. Restore Britain. Really good stuff. And please keep us posted, Rupert, as you develop your policy. Thanks for your support, Dan. We always appreciate your support. You've been an absolute store as far as we're concerned. So we really appreciate that. Thank you so much. Rupert Lowe, who is the leader now of Restore Britain. But now Ben Habib is here. the big day. You wait all of these months, right, for a new right-wing political movement to

come along and then there's two in the course of a few hours. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, Ben. Of course, let's talk about what Rupert Lowe is doing in just one moment. But first, Advance UK, this is an actual political party that you will register once you get to 30,000 members and also donate £100,000 of your own fortune. Correct. I want the British people to evidence what I believe, which is that there is a need

for a new political force, something that can deliver at the ballot box. I want them to evidence that my belief is correct by getting at least 30,000 members to sign up before we apply to the electoral status. And the reason I've chosen 30,000 members is because that was the number we had in Reform UK at the beginning of last year's general election. And with that number, I know you can mount campaigns across the country therefore.

It's obviously we would like bigger, but it's enough to become a viable political force. So at that point, we will be a viable political force. We have three hundred thousand pounds in the bank from the membership fees. I'll donate another £100,000 to show that I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with the people. And then armed with the money and the support that we'll have from the British people, we will then go about setting up all the parts of the infrastructure that's required. We've got some of that already, but you know, branches, networks, campaigning facilities, leaflets, all that kind of stuff. Okay, and I obviously love lots of the aims of the party. The question today though, Ben, that has been ricocheting around the right of British politics is, oh my God, this is just

going to divide the vote. This is crazy. We need all of these guys together. We've got Ben doing his own thing. We've got Rupert doing his own thing. What do you say to the folk who are so concerned, who love you, you know, who think you are brilliant, but worry that a movement like Advance UK could actually be the thing that keeps labour in government if you divide the vote on the right. So, just if you don't mind me contradicting you in the use of the word right. Yes, you don't like that, do you? I loathe the use of the word because it masks what's really going on in politics. It isn't like conservatives and Farage and me and others are on the right and then you've got a whole load of people on the left. What you've really got is those who believe in governance

through supranational institutions, international law, global cooperation to the point that nation states cease to exist and therefore borders don't matter, migrants being given benefits and privileges equal to British citizenry and the interests of the nation-state and British people being set aside. That's one group of people, and I would count many of the Conservative Party and including its fundamental philosophical,

political philosophy at the moment as being part of that liberal global elite as I would describe them and Reform UK offered I think the hope from breaking from that but as you know as you know Dan I'm very critical of the approach taken by Reform UK taking on board multiple characters from Labour, from the Liberal Democrats, putting Charlie Mullins forward as a candidate, lots of former Tory One Nation Whets. So, Advance UK isn't a party of the left though? No, it's not a party of the left, but it's a party that is fundamentally pro-British.

And you might think, well, that's a given, you know, why is that such an extraordinary thing? The reason it's extraordinary is that actually there isn't a party that is fundamentally pro-British. Even Farage, let's take Farage, whose persona exudes Britishness. Farage is on the record saying a united Ireland is inevitable. This is someone who aspires to be Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, but would readily give up part of our territorial integrity to a foreign power. That is unacceptable to me. There's a lot of people Ben who are saying after Farage's Sunday Times interview at the weekend that he's almost openly admitting now that Reform UK is some type of containment operation. Now, I'm not saying that I necessarily believe that, but the argument is that he's

saying, oh, look, you better accept me, Westminster establishment and British Deep State, because if you don't accept me, you've got no idea how bad it's going to be whatever comes next. Now the hint from that is that he's talking about Tommy Robinson, even if he isn't specifically naming him. Do you agree with this idea that's been put forward online that Faraj is really operating a containment strategy that he is part of the establishment and that is his big sell? I believe that Nigel Farage has always basically been a pository, you know, desiring to be taken back into the mainstream. For me, it's always when I look at Farage, I see a man who's only really interested in his own self-promotion. A lot of people watching this show will disagree

with that, but that's what I see. Essentially a narcissist with self-promotion. A lot of people watching this show will disagree with that, but that's what I see. Essentially a narcissist with self-promotion at the heart of whatever philosophy he has. He doesn't have what I would call a coherent political philosophy. The fact that he describes someone like Tommy Robinson as being alt-right, serial criminal, anyone who supports Tommy Robinson should be

ostracized. I mean, this is not the language of someone who's thinking straight, because whatever Tommy Robinson might be as an individual, the fact that he had made arguments, which we all now see to have been true for many, many years. And before Farage start condemning the man as a serial criminal, he should take the straw out of his own or the plank, I should say, out of his own eye. You know, there's a gentleman called George Cotrell, who's never more than five yards from Farage, who's a convicted felon. And Farage gets on his high horse and condemns Tommy Robinson without recognizing the phenomenal work that Tommy Robinson has done. I agree he uses colorful language. I agree he's done some colorful things in the past. He may not be acceptable to Farage's personal sensibilities, but that's all irrelevant. Farage has to grow up and recognize that if we want to save this country,

it is the working class that need to be protected. And there you go. You've got a picture of George Cotrill there next to Nigel Farage. That man is a convicted criminal. And Nigel said something which I agree with, which is he believes in standing by his friends and he believes in forgiveness. But obviously obviously that's not how he feels about Tommy Robinson. The obvious question then Ben when it comes to Tommy is, well, are you asking him to join Advance UK? Would you welcome the idea of him, for example, standing for you at the next election?

So at the heart of the principle of reform, of Advanced UK, is that we've got to be brave and speak fearlessly. And so what I've said is that what the constitution says is that there are only three requirements to become a member of the party. You've got to be a participant on the electoral role and not a member of another party. Beyond that, we are not going to be policing our members. We're not going to be approving our members. They don't have to jump any hurdles as they do in Reform UK to be acceptable. If Tommy Robinson or any supporter of Tommy Robinson wish to join Advance UK, they are most welcome.

If they wish to stand, then absolutely like everyone else, they can put their names forward. We're going to have a college, which is going to be the intellectual ballast, if you like, of the party, numbering up to a hundred people. They, along with the executives, will determine our policies and determine which candidates come forward. Yeah, and you're very democratic and you're, and there's a real contrast there between how Reform UK do things, because obviously you were always really critical of that. So I guess you had to have your money

where your mouth is on that point. Look, you've been very critical about Farage. You've obviously called him a narcissist. I think that it's fair to also show you what Farage has had to say about you over the past few months and then you can respond to that. Yeah. Ben Habib, is there a way back for Ben?

Over my dead body. Well here it is saying you didn't deserve your victory. Did you see that? I'm sorry, you get these small, very insignificant people who think they're more important than they are. They're frankly nothings. There you are. Are you incapable of saving the UK and would you do massive damage in office? Is this the same Ben Habib who lost election after election? Is this the same Ben Habib who when he was deputy leader of the party, failed to get any of the candidates vetted, which caused us such problems at the general election, and failed to get us to stand in more than

12% of seats last year? Is that the same fella? What's the bill in touch about is Ben Habib. What's happened there for anyone that's not followed that twist and turn? Yeah. Well, that was the real champagne moment of the day. I mean it was a good day but Ben Habib announcing he's not with us really was the absolute icing on the cake. Look, after the election Ben didn't get elected, other people did and he and David Bull had been the deputy leaders under Richard Tice and I said Ben, David, I'm really sorry but I want to under Richard Tice. I said, Ben, David, I'm really sorry, but I want to make Richard Tice the deputy because he's in the House

of Commons. He will literally deputise for me when he's there and I'm travelling around the country. David Bull accepted that and is very much a part of the organisation. Poor old Ben felt bitter about it. He's attacked me more in public than the Labour Party have. It's gone very bitter, very twisted, it's very sad. The fact that he's walked away frankly is a huge relief. So some people watching that Ben Habeib will say, oh my goodness, you must be driven by personal vengeance because Nigel has just been so awful about you. Is this personal at all? Is there a revenge aspect to this?

No, not at all. I can swear, cross my heart, hope to die. There isn't a bitter bone in my body that's motivating me to launch Advance UK. Of course, at a personal level, I'm not wholly gratified by hearing what Farage has to say about me. All of it is false, by the way, and I can address each accusation he makes. I suppose any accusation I would accept that he makes is that I am insignificant. It's not about me, it is about the British people. He seems to me, and the reason that he said,

the fact that he said I was insignificant, I think attest to his character, because he sees himself as some kind of massive persona on the political landscape. And we've got to reacquaint ourselves with the notion that we on the political landscape are merely the servants of the people. We are all insignificant. The only thing that matters is the collective body of the British people. They are who we serve. And the fact that Farage thinks that I'm insignificant infers that he isn't and he sees himself as being hugely significant. And many people will say, well, of course, he hasn't made a significant impact.

But that doesn't mean you buy your you drink your own Kool-Aid. And that's where Farage goes wrong. But I'm not motivated at all by any bitterness. I'm motivated by the fact that Farage simply is incapable of saving this country. He doesn't, he's not, Dan, he can't define the democratic unit that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. When it comes to free speech, he's shutting it down. He wants to chuck people out of the party because of what they said a few years ago on Twitter. When it comes to equity under the law, he's using lawfare to target people

like Rupert Lowe and others. When it comes to democracy, he hasn't got any democracy in his own party. Members are not members, they're subscribers. All the things for which he should stand, he actually fails on. And that is- I've got to ask you about Rupert Lowe, Ben,

because you've posted today, because Rupert has launched Restore Britain on the same day as you just hours after now You have posted on X saying I am delighted Rupert Lowe has launched this movement as he has said it is not a political party, but a cross-party movement I hope he can elicitate and establish that which is required to save our country We will support Rupert where we can. This is about saving the country. In the end, it is a political party in the ballot box

which will deliver results. That is where Advanced UK comes in. One way or another, we will save the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But Ben, that can't be being totally honest about what's gone on here, can it? Because this must have been a blow for you. Launching Advance UK with some fan fear this morning and within hours, Rupert comes out with his launch for Restore Britain. And some

people will say, Ben, well, are you really friends? Like, has there been some type of falling out? Because this almost felt like he was trying to get one over you, or at least dilute the launch of Advance UK. So level with us, what's really gone on here? Because presumably you wanted Rupert Lowe to join your party. I wanted Rupert Lowe to lead our party, I did not want to be leader, but Rupert and I have been talking about the launch of a new party, and he was behind it since our first discussions back in March, early March, when he was set aside by Reform UK. But I think what's happened here is that Rupert Lowe has been chastened by the whole party political scene.

And I think he was really focused understandably on clearing his name against those horrible charges brought by Zaya Youssef. And once he had gone through that, I think he then started reflecting more, perhaps focusing harder on what he wanted out of life. And he didn't want to be in a political party again. And so once he cleared his name, his position changed slightly from wanting to or having agreed in principle to leading

Advance UK or whatever name it would have adopted back then. The name was also up in debate. His position changed from wanting to be in a political party and running a political party to doing a movement where he sees great attraction from a cross party approach. But Rupert and I are completely politically philosophically aligned. And I don't really care how we save the country. If Rupert can do it through a movement, I think it's challenging, by the way, because there's no mechanism by which to bring change at the ballot box, and that's ultimately where you need to do it. But if he can do it as a movement, great. There are lots of movements around, lots of talking heads who talk a lot and don't do much. And I believe that we need to have a political party. But I'm not so

arrogant. So you wouldn't rule out him being part of it in the future or you coming together in the future? Rupert can join today, tomorrow, whenever he likes, subject to due process within the party. He can join at the senior most level in the party. Absolutely. Most welcome. And then another thing that came up today, Ben, I'm not sure if you've seen this, but

it was actually from Lawrence Fox. No, I haven't seen that. Who wrote on X, as I have said before I admire Ben hugely. He's bright as they come and a dogged defender of Britain but another political party really? It's an absolute nightmare getting political parties set up. That's why I offered to basically hand the reclaim party over to Ben with its tens of thousands of registered supporters and do everything I could to get behind him. But no, it seems that here in the UK every Englishman's political party is his castle and uniting the rioters like herding cats on acid. That said, best

of luck with it, the riot needs to be a big temp Trump style rather than a camping site with kids, wickwams scattered everywhere. So why turn down that offer from Lawrence? Well, I wasn't aware that the offer stood on an unconditional basis, that I could just take it over and put in this constitution. I wasn't aware of that. I had some discussions with Lawrence, obviously over the last few years, and I had an exchange of correspondence with Lawrence this morning when he heard about Advance UK.

But there's no animosity whatsoever between Lawrence and myself. I just think that even having heard what he has to say, I think it's much better to start from a clean slate without any reputational stuff coming through from the past, a brand new party which can make its own way, set its own course if you like, and Lawrence too can join. You know, I'm not prescriptive, I'm not at all prescriptive. Lawrence can join, anyone can join this party. Yeah, and maybe at some point there will be some sort of unification. But I guess your message today Ben is you need 30,000 people to join, you've got this special offer going, like it's just 10 quid, you join for the year, you're like a founding member of Advance UK and you can do it very simply

via your new website. Absolutely. And that's the acid test Dan, because if I'm wrong in my assessment that a political party is needed, if I'm wrong in that assessment, then I won't get the 30,000 members. That was the test I was setting myself and setting the people of the country. Show me that you agree with me that we need a political party. If they show me that, then I think it's absolutely valid that Advance UK should stand and behave like a political party. Ben Habeib, leader of Advanced UK. Sounds very exciting saying that. You know, I'm really interested in this and of course we'll keep talking, keep us posted as developments come.

Thank you very much Dan, Thank you for having me on. And now Alex Phillips is today's outsider. Lost in the Glastonbury scandal this weekend has been the ongoing public breakdown of our failed Prime Minister Tsipri-Stama. The guy who now admits that he reads whatever is put in front of him. The guy who admits the Grindr Ukrainian firebombers have so taken over his head he was unable to think of anything else. And the guy who has now U-turned so many times that he makes a complete mockery of what he

went into government promising. I mean I dug up this old tweet of Stammer, it's just beautiful. Boris Johnson and his government has lurched from crisis to crisis and U-turn to U-turn to correct one error, even two might make sense, but when they've notched up 12 U-turns and rising the only conclusion is serial incompetence. Yep it is, you are serious serially incompetent. But Alex Phillips, something else is going on here. These interviews with Stama over the weekend, and we'll go into a little bit of it in some detail in just one moment, but they represent

a man who is not at all coping, not even close with coping, and constantly there's this undertone of a struggle with Lady Victoria Stmer, the fire bombers. But to get to the point where you've got a prime minister admitting that he has not read arguably the most important speech that he is delivering so far in his premiership, this is just incompetence, is it not? Well, it's clearly a man who isn't really designed for politics. And I've heard all the rumours that he'd rather not be prime minister. Actually, he's clearly a man who isn't really designed for politics and I've heard all the rumours that he'd rather not be Prime Minister actually, he's not really enjoying it. I don't think many people do actually, I don't know why it's such a coveted position because

everyone I know who's held that role has absolutely despised it by and large. But no, I mean, look, he's just not, he's not a political animal, he is a barrister, he likes crossing tees, dotting ice, standing up in court. He's not really a performer, which might explain why he had to have his voice coach come and visit him so many times during lockdown. And it was a really bad admission, turning around and saying, oh, well, I didn't realize that was in the speech about the island of strangers, and my speech writers wouldn't have known the reference.

And, you know, first of all, it's sort of given a green flag for journalists to force him to do u-turns even on the choice of words he is using which is absolutely insane it also goes to demonstrate he can't speak off the cuff that these in aren't his thoughts and feelings and ideologies and policies that he's inauthentic um and you have to wonder whether the speechwriters were just using chat GPT or something and said, write me a speech on immigration. And so went and found, you know, Enoch Palmer went, oh, here you go. Here's a good form of words to use. And it's kind of embarrassing. But if anything, what he's been doing these sort of rounds of proper sit down

interviews, where he's talking about, you know, his relationship with his wife and his sons and so on and so forth, he's trying to humanize himself, he's using a crisis as an opportunity to create a distraction. And I must admit, part of me feels a bit sorry for the man, actually. I've despised him up until this point, but I started to think he's probably not that bad a person, just totally inappropriate for the job. Well, I am glad, though, that you've raised the voice coach, for example, Alex

Leonie Malinger because that was just another story that the mainstream media just very quickly swept under the carpet You know and this is happening time and again The problem is now though the mainstream media are starting to turn because it's impossible to actually see what's happened with welfare Reform issue for, and think this is a man who has any type of control over his party. And I wanted to show you Anthony Snellden on Sly News here today, saying this is actually the worst start to a prime ministership in 100 years, Trevor, has anyone made such an inept start coming into the office of Prime Minister, the highest office in the country, with so little idea about what he's doing, why he's doing it, what story he's telling, what he's communicating and the people he

needs around him, both inside Downing Street and in the other key positions. When you say not in 100 years, I can hear people already shouting at a telly, Liz Truss. Hey, at least Liz Truss had a clear plan, Trevor. You know, it was the right plan. And it's the plan that starman needs to have. Nothing matters more than growth and optimism and list trust had growth as her core objective and she had optimism she just went about it in totally

the wrong way. Well, yeah, you can learn you can learn good and bad things from this trip. I mean, astonishing. Alex Phillips, isn't it? But it is true. This is a complete disaster. I mean, he's not going to be prime minister at the next election. No way.

Benito, he's done because he is now, I mean, he was just like a little puppet on the strings of the globalists. And now he's the little puppet whose strings are being pulled by his hard left back benches. Yeah, I mean, because he's not a politician, because he's actually quite new to politics. People forget that he was the director of public prosecutions for a long time and was accelerated through the ranks of the Labour Party. He otherwise hadn't been in politics particularly before.

I'm not really sure he knows what his ideology is, which is why he might have been so appealing at one point, because having served under Jeremy Corbyn and been a Corbyn sycophant, he then suddenly turned around and flushed out all the Corbynistas and said, no, I'm a Blairite. And I don't think anyone knows really what he actually is. But he has faced catastrophes.

And I think his main catastrophe is not understanding people and not being able to communicate with people. That is both the people of the country, the way he handled the Southport riots was absolutely shocking. He didn't speak to us for days, Dan. Then when he did finally appear behind electin and address the nation, he called us all far-right thugs,

which was absolutely ridiculous. And it clearly, he can't communicate with his own party either because if you remember at the start of his tenure when there was a rebellion against keeping the child cap in place, benefits, and people voted against the Labour Party from the Labour Party, he removed the whip from those people. He booted them out of the party, which people thought, well, come on, that's a bit strong, isn't it? But he said, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to have defiance. I'm not going to have rebellion. Well, under the space of a year, all of a sudden, the entire party seems to be rebelling against him. And he can't kick them all out,

can he? He can't kick, you know, 130 odd MPs out of the party. I mean, he sort of fudged this U-turn and it's just, it's all getting very messy. But I think the thing is, whenever the leader who suddenly starts to look weak, other people start smelling blood. Oh God, yes. But Alex, I was very taken by your substack, your brilliant substack. That's what she said. Where you spoke about this change going on in the mainstream media towards Starmark. And you know, on this show, I've reported probably more than anyone else about his big secret, which involves the shape of his family and the fact that

the mainstream media had been looking for this birth certificate, etc, etc. And in your substack, Alex, you make the point that you, and look, you know how the mainstream media works. You know, you were head of media for UKIP and your clear suggestion, but I'd love you to elaborate on this for me, but your clear suggestion is that you get a sense in Westminster that the mainstream media

are potentially planning to turn on Starmer. And that could involve them dropping more stories that perhaps in the past they have covered up. Yeah, well exactly. I mean people know what they've got in the bank don't they? And I've spoken to various journalists who say no there is a story out there for whatever reason it's being ring-fenced. I mean normally there are deals with an editor about we get access to number 10, we get certain interviews, this won't be of public interest,

we'll keep that a secret to you, you know, in return for A, B and C. But he's been attacking Nigel Farage on a personal level. He's starting to break some of the rules, some of the codes that editors say, well, listen, if you do this, we'll look after you. And so at some point, especially if he looks weak, especially if they sense there's going to be a change

at the top, journalists very often like it. They see something a little bit unstable or teetering at an edge. They often like to give it a little push, you know, just to sort of make sure that the story does come out. So let's see what happens with Starmer. I mean, I don't think he's going to be gone because I don't think there's a viable alternative.

Now, people are saying to me that Angela Rayner is a very popular character within the party and people want to see her replace him and I just think she's an utter buffoon. I mean, if Starmer's a dreadful communicator, that woman can very- I think it's going to be Rayner though, honestly Alex. If you look at the statistics within Labour members, right, and obviously this is like the total opposite of where we stand, but within Labour members it's like, she is so popular. There is so much support for her. You know, the second most popular cabinet minister amongst Labour members, who of course make the decision alongside the

unions, Ed Miliband, who are the least popular alongside obviously like Rachel Thieves and Stammer and Eve Hick Cooper for incompetence, wears streeting. And it's nothing to do with his competency. It's to do with where he stands and he's, he's on the right of the Labour Party. But okay, that's interesting, Alex. And sorry to push you on this, but, but what you were saying is you have spoken directly to mainstream media journalists who say there are these stories on Star Mart at the moment they are parked, but potentially that could change if he is politically weakened. Well if there are stories that are parked then yeah, of course that can change at any given moment. They could come out, a journalist could decide to sort of break the seal

and turn around and run it. I've got an idea of what the story is and it's sort of what you've said, the makeup of the family and so on and so forth. I don't know the veracity of it. I'm not one of these people who sort of, they're sitting on all the details as part of some sort of coverup,

but I know people who say that they know what it's all about. But my concern with Starmer is that now it's very clear that he's going to be at the behest of the extreme left of his party. They're the people agitating and pushing and pulling and cajoling. This country can ill afford more state control. It can ill afford more welfare. It can ill afford more illegal immigration. It can ill afford right now any sort of socialist policy. And my concern is that Starmer, in trying to protect his position,

will have to start veering, lurching to the left. And my wonder is whether or not this will be the first time in about 50 years that we have to go cap in hand to the IMF. I know, I know. We are heading, honestly, we are heading down that path. But look, Alex, can I just go through just a little bit of that Sunday Times interview with you? Because I find it bizarre, like I find his whole rationale behind it bizarre. So he says, well, they

say they write, he describes his frustration that the Ferrari following his remarks, these are his Island of Strangers remarks, distracted from the message of the speech and he points out that other issues were on his mind when he made the speech and he's speaking about the firebombing then, or he says distraction number one was the firebombing of the house that morning. We were in the middle of a briefing from the police team when I stepped out to do the press conference, we hadn't finished the briefing so afterwards I stepped straight back into it. It did play on my mind if I'm honest though I don't want to overdo it but then he comes back to it. It was playing on my mind all week frankly not least because Vic was very troubled by what happened. It could have been a very different story it really shook her up and

it shook me up. Now I'm not going to go out there and bleat and all that, but it's clearly targeted. And of course we know four men of Ukrainian-Romanian origin, who all look a particular way, have been arrested and charged now with arson. He says it's always for me the clash of the private and the public. I'm quite good at it. This is what my job is. I've got to get onto it. But it's those moments when you're in the public domain and something is happening equally with these firebombings it's the family bit of it that's when I get really uncomfortable when it touches on my family it's the only time I really get among the reasons that the whole stuff about the free concerts and close started when it started dragging Vic in that was when I personally did get anything that drags the family in a bit like the firebomb stuff that's been going on That's when I really worry. So he keeps on coming back to it Alex and he's so uncomfortable

But yet at the same time he keeps raising his wife and he's actually asked about his wife in this and and He it's the closest that a journalist has come to asking about the trouble in the marriage but they phrase it in an interesting way they say how has their marriage responded to the strain and he replies saying I mean you can't just take Vic out for a nice dinner necessarily because you have to shut the restaurant down we've had a lot of nights that we thought we were doing X and we ended up not doing X but equally we've got nights where suddenly we'll nip out for a drink even if it's only

one hour, just the two of us on our own. To plan it is to doom it, but if she's back and I'm back we'll go and do something, we'll go up to where her mum's memorial stone is and go for a walk. It's just very, very uncomfortable Alex. All references to his wife, to his family. It's like, it's very different to former prime ministers where it almost felt normal that of course they had their kids and their family and they were part of it. And yeah, we know there are stresses, but this just feels like it comes from a place of deep emotional torture.

Oh, well, poor, do you know what can I just say poor man, because having your house, even though he wasn't in at the time, I understand it was his sister-in-law, something like that, and their kids. Having your house firebombed is, it's got to be awful, you know, it doesn't matter if you're the prime minister, that's your family, that's your wife's sister, that is going to have an impact. So I have nothing but sympathy. If that was me, it would play on my mind. I find it incredibly concerning. And having a role in politics full stop is really injurious on a marriage,

let alone being prime minister. And I don't know the nature of what's gone on in that relationship, whether the rumors are to be believed if they're untrue, but I hope them, I wish them sincerely a happy marriage because they're a married couple with two children. And I'm a huge advocate for monogamy and staying faithful in a relationship

and wishing people love and joy and a happy family life. And actually I quite respect, I'm sounding very pro-Spanish here, aren't I? But I actually quite respect the fact that he's quite private about his life. We don't know the names of his children, we don't see pictures of them. ALICE I think it's so weird. MIA I don't think it's weird because Nigel does exactly the same thing. Nigel's always said, I don't want my family involved in politics, I want to give them a life of their own. They're

stuck with this surname anyway. And I think that that is a sensible choice because there are other previous politicians who have paraded wives and children around like campaign assets. And I think it's all rather cheap and tawdry. It is a job at the end of the day. It's all very well, you can know who, the name of the husband or wife, and occasionally they're going to appear on a podium.

But I actually find it a bit nauseating, this whole like, I'm Mr. Family Man, the wife's always with me all the time, you know, it's a bit, you know, get on with it. No one else brings their spouse to work all the time, do they? So in this regard, I'm actually, I'm quite sympathetic towards him, I must admit. ALICE I mean, look, I'm not because I think he uses his family every time it suits him Okay, so all of a sudden when the Lord Ali stuff was all kicking off and I know why Kirstama was in that Mayfair penthouse and All of a sudden he was throwing his son under the bus saying oh no no no his son of course needed this

his son under the bus saying, oh no no no, his son of course needed this very very posh penthouse and Mayfair to set his GCSEs. Bullshit, absolute bullshit. So I think he is more than happy to use his family when it is politically expedient for him to do so. Breaking today, the British Bashing Corporation and that cesspit of hate that was once known as the Glastonbury Festival have shamed Britain. There is no other way to put it. But I have to be very clear about this whole scandal. I am a free speech absolutist and I find it absolutely shocking that so many people, including many of those on the right, including my former colleagues at GB News seem to think the solution is more authoritarianism. Let's lock more people up. Let's have more police investigations. No, no, no. The only solution to this issue is to stop empowering these organisations

from the British Bashing Corporation to the off-communists and start ensuring that two-tier justice applies in this country. And it doesn't. Because the left have been utterly despicable when it comes to their hypocrisy over Glastonbury. I want to remind you all of what the former Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on Sly News. This was after I had laughed at a joke, a joke that Lawrence Foxx had told on GB News after the watershed about not wanting to shag a female columnist who'd been vile about men in the past, and he went on Sly News and said that I should never be allowed to broadcast in the United Kingdom again for laughing at a joke. Watch.

And certainly you can't allow people to appear on air and talk about women in the way that they're doing and without any propriety these people have got to be kept off the air. They just cannot be allowed. I'm not in favour of censorship but you cannot have this fall in standards and allow it to continue. So where has Gordon Brown been in the past 24 hours? Where has James O'Brien been in the past 24 hours? Nowhere to be seen.

Because of course, when it's left wing hate speech inciting violence at a festival paid for by us because of the broadcast on the license fee, they're invisible. And Alex Phillips, look, I want to go through everything that happened at Glastonbury and I think we can mock it. I think we can laugh about it and I think we can also take it seriously. But to begin with, can we both just agree that this does prove we live in a two tier society? We live in a two tier society where the reaction from the establishment to events is based solely on whether you happen to sit on the left or the right of politics. Absolutely. I mean, I've never seen such a stark contrast between the organisation that puts sensitive content warnings

on carry-on films sitting there and people calling for other people to die, calling for riot in Westminster. I mean, this is a legal issue, actually, because if you look at the legislation that was used to prosecute Lucy Connolly, the same legislation could easily be used to prosecute the BBC, frankly, and the artists on that stage. And but what I'm like you, Dan, I am a full advocate of free speech, although there is a different thing when you're actually inciting, you know, go and kill your MP, something like that is

absolutely astonishingly terrible. They should be dragged into a police station and at least slapped with a big portion. But Alex, the police are not even taking forward that investigation. But also what what this is sort of made me also think is you often sit there and think how on earth in the 1930s and 40s did so many people in Germany seem to join the Nazi Party and go along with the ideology. And you think, how on earth could that have happened? You know what Germans are like today in the continent of Europe.

This was only under a hundred years ago. And you think, how could that have come to pass? And when you look into it, actually, the people who followed the Nazi party and advocated for their ideology were largely academics and doctors and lawyers. It was the middle-class elites. And you look at those baying crowds, the mob there, joining in with this chant, death, death to the IDF. And is the free Palestine flag the new swastika? Well, people are now seriously asking that question.

Alex, just in case people haven't seen it, and I do believe in transparency, by the way, about these things, I don't believe in censoring it. This is exactly what the BBC thought was acceptable to broadcast live. Have you heard this one though? Death, death to the IDF! Death, death to the IDF! Death, death to the IDF! Death, death to the IDF! Death, death to the IDF! Death, death to the IDF! Death, death to the IDF! Hell yeah, from the river to the sea, Palestine

must be, will be, inshallah it will be free. And it's sickening. And this was just the beginning, by the way, this was just the beginning of what this guy was putting out on stage as Bob Villain. Yeah, and the BBC, the editor of that programme, at least they should have known the artist and the content of the sort of music and the sort of messaging he was likely to say on stage. And you know even at talk if I happen to say a word that my producer thinks might not pass the muster of Ofcom you have it sort of everything's in delay and they can dump it they can actually press a button so it dumps that section of the program and very often some very

often not that often but they do do that. And the BBC would have had exactly the same facility. There are multiple stages at Glastonbury. They could have cut to another artist, to another performance. But I'm sure that whoever was in charge of it before that they were doing some sort of, you know, oh, this is culture. This is real life pop culture. This is happening now. This is so important. You know, in Shell art and all of that, I don't understand how all of these so-called

liberal progressives have this love affair with Islamism, which is completely the opposite side of everything that they claim to espouse. I think that they're living in really precarious times. I've not thought it before, but when I see so many people, British people, my people, our people, standing at a concert and going along with chants of death, death, you just go wow. Totally, totally. It was a real moment of shock and horror actually. But the British Passion Corporation can't get away with this. Sharon Davies, who is their swimming commentator, you know, she works for the BBC at every Olympic Games, posted the BBC knew exactly what was coming and did it anyway and then Peter Lloyd has done great work on this Alex because he's actually discovered

that the BBC has been pushing Bob Villain Pascal Robinson Foster because he's actually a total posho by the way which is another aspect to this since 2006 and look at the types of things he'd said kill the f***ing queen burn britannia winding people up is how we derive enjoyment from living in england dig up maggie i wipe my ass with the uk flag then spit on it give churchill's statue the rope see if it floats they knew what they were dealing with and can you just imagine for one moment if Tommy Robinson or a Tommy Robinson supporter had got up on stage at the Uniting the Kingdom protest and had said death to Islam. You know what would have happened. You know he would

have been locked up immediately. But guess who follows? Bob Villan, handily on social media. Sadiq Khan, that hateful mayor of London. Now there's been huge reaction to this of course. Niall Gardner posted, Glastonbury has become the modern day equivalent of a Hitler youth rally. Andrew Neil said, some non-entity rapper shouts death, death to the IDF from a Glastonbury stage. The audience of idiots repeats the refrain again and again. It's effectively a call for a second holocaust because the IDF is all that stands between Israel in a second holocaust and the BBC broadcast it live, which at least lets

us see with our own eyes how Glastonbury can morph from music concert to Nazi style rally more Nuremberg than Glastonbury. And what sickens me is that it was only when the mainstream media started to get all over this that the BBC and the police actually cared. So look at the front pages today from the Express, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Sun. All of a sudden, the BBC and Glastonbury start panicking. Because they start panicking because they're just worried about saving their own asses. And Glastonbury comes out with a belated statement saying,

there's no place at Glastonbury for anti-Semitism, hate speech, or incitement to violence. But as Christian Kelby said, seems like they had acres of space for it yesterday. I thought Sophie Kakorin made a really good point on this too, saying if GB News broadcast Bob Villams grow test remarks without context, Ofcom would find them into oblivion or shut them down.

The BBC mustn't get a free pass. So of course, belatedly belatedly this afternoon, we get this announcement from the police. Look at this. This is now confirming that there will be a criminal investigation into both Bob Villain and Necap's performance. But Alex Phillips, I have a couple of issues with this,

right? Firstly, and I know some people will be horrified by this, but as a free speech absolutist, I don't want to see anyone locked up for their words. Now, incitement to violence is a different thing, but I worry that we're becoming a society where we sort of compete with trying to get the other side locked up or shut down. Now, of course, I think it's a very fair argument to say Lucy Connolly should be released immediately, but I worry that the police are

just constantly diving in headfirst now because they've seen the reaction to it. That's my first concern. And then my second concern is the fact that all of a sudden some of us on the right are starting to embrace our enemies. So I saw GB News today, I saw a presenter on GB News, Miriam Cates, advocating for the off communist, offcom, which wants to shut GB News down to take a harder line with the BBC. And again, I worry about that too. So there are some nuances here, I guess, is the point that I'm making. Not that there was anything acceptable about what we saw on stage. Of course the BBC should never broadcast Glastonbury again. Of course heads should roll. I actually think the director general

Tim Davies should go. But it's this constant weaponization of lawfare, which I find hugely disturbing. But I also understand the point of lots of people, Alex, who are saying, yep, they're doing it to us. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Where do you stand on all of this? I stand where you stand, Dan. And I find it grotesque and harrowing that the idea of someone said something unpleasant and the police get involved has become so normalized now. Yep. So normal. Yep. People on X who will say something, read a comment on your tweet and then put, at met police, at met police, look at what she said. Like I said, this is when you think, how the hell did, you know, 1940s Germany happen? This is how. We're not speaking into it. We're marching towards it at this point. I think we all need

to take a step back. And it is a bit like if, around and find find out though from Bob Villain, right? Because even though I absolutely do believe in free speech, there are consequences to things you say. And the big consequence for this duo is that they've lost their talent agency, which of course have lots of really senior Jews working at it who are disgusted quite rightly. And mean by the way oh my god I was with my Jewish friend on Saturday night I'm heartbroken for for the Jewish community at the moment how on earth could you see that and see that they're your people in some ways oh it's it's just disgusting but also he's had his visa revoked to America and that is absolutely right

Donald Trump doesn't want terrorists in America. I think what was said on stage is actually coming close to terrorism in all seriousness. If you look at the definition of what other people would describe terrorism to be if you're talking about people on the so-called far right. Then I guess the sort of irony was Alex that Bob Villain ended up overshadowing kneecap but police are also investigating them and their performance while not streamed live on the BBC was still utterly repulsive here's some of it. I caught us back in court for a trumped up terrorism charge.

Trust me, I have tamed you. It's not the first time there was a miscarriage of justice for an Irish person in the British justice system. So if anybody's available on the 20th of August at Westminster we'll go to Fort McConaugh, we'll start a riot outside the court. Oh fuck, the papers are gonna love that. That's for a Dealey mill. Fuck a Dealey mill! Alex, let me just repeat, if Tommy Robinson went on stage and suggested starting a riot outside a court, he would be thrown in jail so quickly. Yeah, no he would. And that's really shocking and horrifying.

And again, you hear the crowd there and they go, oh, the British justice is about to, yeah, what's going on? How can all of these people hate their country that they want anarchy, that they want insurrection, that they want murder? I don't understand how we've now got so many people, the generation below us, Dan, who are so warped in their mindset.

And it's just, it's just, I find the whole lot of this, I find blast and grief because obviously you have that awful Jade character, someone from Little Mix, you know, running around on stage saying F reform and F this and F trans. Oh my god, yes. Alex, before you go on, let's watch this because this infuriated me too. You reform, we'll say cut, transform you, silence the protest, send an arm, justify a genocide. To F you reform, that's what she said. Felling arms, I mean it is such stupid playground politics, what an idiot.

But you know, one of the best things I've seen so far actually in response to Glastonbury was a brilliant comment by Noel Gallagher where he just said can't everyone just do their song shut up and go home why do they all have to turn it into this flag that emoji you know this pronoun this protest this chant I'm with you mate can't they all just shut up? Jason Vale Totally. But the problem that Glastonbury's got is they have always encouraged it to be a political festival, right? So they invite the likes of Jeremy Corbyn along. And there was a huge irony, by the way, Alex, of what Jeremy Corbyn

was saying at Glastonbury, because, you know, he's all about open borders. Yeah. And discussed actually going on stage at Glastonbury to slag off Donald Trump's great big beautiful wall. At the same time, Glastonbury itself is probably the most secure place in the United Kingdom. Watch this. You can see that far. Look on the wall right over there that surrounds this wonderful festival. And there's a message on that wall for President Donald Trump. And you know what it says? Build bridges, not walls. So Alex, why does Glastonbury have a wall around it? I mean, this is the thing. They think their music festival should be protected, but that our country should not.

I know it's ridiculous, but I tell you what I thought looking at those sentry towers and all the chicken wire fence and you know the fortifications around the plot that over the course of a weekend was a camp for almost half a million people. I thought, oh, well, if it's good enough for people paying 400 quid to go to a woke jamboree, then surely it's good enough for people who have come over on boats. There were more absolutely ridiculous moments, Alex, but this now gets into the category of can we just laugh, right? I think sometimes we just have to laugh and poke fun because these so called pop stars are just so thick and so stupid and are clearly just going along with something that they think makes them cool. One example of this is the Australian Act. They're totally aligned by the way with Bob Villain, they're constantly performing with Bob Villain. This is Amel and the Sniffers. About Palestine, then back home in Australia, we think about the Indigenous people there that back home in Australia, we think about the indigenous people there. And we think about...

And we think about the fact that us as whiteys, we're the fucking colonizers, and that's so disgusting and it's so much to hold. But that's the truth, and I thought I'd share that today. It was going to be something way more poetic, but that's just what I said. It's not perfect, but I think it's better to say anything than say nothing at all right now because shit, shit's going down the shit of fast and mate, we got AI on the way. That's gonna be even crazier. So buckle up bitches. She's about to get-

No, I think it would have been much better to say nothing up by the way. And then the other one is Kate Nash. Now, she was a one hit wonder years ago, who has launched like a constant deranged campaign, Alex against JK Rowling. Watch this. And just because you're a millionaire and a bully with an army of trolls on the internet, oh my God.

Don't give a f***ing bait. I don't give a f*** about the hundreds if not thousands of comments that I have been receiving from trolls since I penned my essay, turned it into a song, released it, it's called Germ. I think what I really wanted to, the reason I released this song right is because I wanted it on record in history that there was a feminist voice, a cis woman, a feminist voice from a cis woman that loved trans people. So it's just a sweary, embarrassing student politics nonsense, right? Yeah, no, it is. I mean, you can actually see these people

are pretty much talentless. They're thick. They don't have a clue about politics. If they had their way, they'd completely rubble-ise the country, let anybody from the third world come and inhabit it, have men raping girls in, you know, briny raping girls in brownie tents and holding Hitler rallies. So that's basically the people who occupy pop culture today. And they think they're also very different and also very brave and

also very unique, but they're also very like each other. Because when you look out there with the polling, when you see what's actually going on politically and where the popularity is at, reform is the new rock and roll. Well yes and Alex I wanted to end on a positive note because who was the standout star at Glastonbury by far? 80 year old Rod Stewart who had just come pretty close pretty damn close Alex to endorsing Reform UK. The day before the festival, he said voters have got to give Nigel Farage a chance. I know that's something you agree with. And I thought, did not just sum up how totally detached actually all of the festival was from actual Brits, real Brits, until Rod Stewart comes on, you think, okay, no, actually

there are sane people, there are even sane people at Glastonbury because kneecap had wanted everyone to boycott Rod Stewart and he seemed to have the biggest crowd of the weekend. Yeah, good, because he has the same music unlike kneecap who play noise by the looks of things. But a good old Rod, eh? I have a feeling what's gone on here is Rod Stewart seems to have got a bit bored of his giant train set and got into filling up potholes in his local area at one point. And I wonder if he saw the footage from the reform rally in Birmingham when Nigel came in on

the pothole of 2000 or whatever it's called made by JCB and suddenly went, yep, that's my guy right there. That's what we're all about. But you know, he's just a pragmatist, isn't he? And he's old enough to not care. I'm glad he didn't get booed. I'm glad they didn't boycott him on stage. You know, it's a quiet act of resistance because actually, you know, the people shouting free free Palestine might shout the loudest, but they aren't the majority. They're the very noisy minority, quite frankly. And most people standing there who didn't agree with it and didn't go along with the charts were probably feeling pretty bloody uncomfortable, squirming in their boots, wishing the ground would open up and swallow them. And that's very often what you've got to remember that actually the majority tend to be the

silent ones. Oh, absolutely. And I think most sane people watching Glastonbury would have just thought, oh my God, this is why we don't want these hard leftists in charge. They are nuts. They are totally nuts. Alex Phillips, you are not nuts. Of course, author of the brilliant That's What She Said on Substack. So brilliant to talk to you. Go out and enjoy this heatwave, Alex. Yeah, well, look at my colour. I'm already changing ethnicity.

You're looking great. You're looking amazing, actually. Okay, well, look at my colour, I'm already changing ethnicity. You're looking great. You're looking amazing actually. Okay, brilliant, we will speak next week Alex, thank you so much, but it's a Glastonbury themed edition of Greatest Britain Union Jackass now, because your nominees for UJ are

Bob Villain, nominated by Darren Donaldson for being an edgy rap poet from Ipswich, fitting in nicely with his double-barreled surname with all the over-and-old lefty trust fund vegan twerps lisping their right on support at his foul rants. Tim Davey, the Director General of the BBC, nominated by the Purple Yoda One, and that is of course because the very far left BBC became this weekend the British Bullshitine Corporation and kneecap nominated by Big Momma Booth for being the utter scum of that. She was very straight to the point on that front.

And with 7% of the vote, kneecap, with 34% of the vote, the runner up Tim Davies, director general of the vote the runner-up Tim Davies, Director General of the BBC. But today's Union Jackass after that Glastonbury performance, Bob Villain. Greatest Britain though, I loved this nomination from Melissa Susie and so many others actually, Rod Stewart. But Melissa put it right, for freaking out the lefty loons at Glastonbury with support for review for reform.

Lots of hyperventilating in their tents that night. Although to be honest, I think probably most people at Glastonbury are hyperventilating in their tents for another reason, if you know what I mean. Lots of feedback coming in from you today too. Simon Brandy, thank you so much for the super chat. Simon said, all the focuses on Bob Villains IDF rap

Grant his rap about us not getting our country back was far more offensive to me. Why are the MSM? ignoring it Don backer said cut the crap Dan reform isn't rocked by it. This is talking about being a even Nigel Farage in the least bit I like both being and Rupert but this move has no impact on Reform UK. Catherine Villett said Advanced UK has my vote Ben Habib next PM Rupert and Nick speaking about Nick Tankoni of UKIP who was of course here on the show last week. There's room for all three and maybe a coalition between them. Susan Lane said I've been praying for a Ben

and Rupert duo with a bit of Douglas Murray and our very own Tommy. And Al G said Alex Phillips is great but her constant defending of Viraj is shocking. So thank you so much for all of your feedback today but we are now moving to Substack for the uncancelled after show because King Charles has ensured Prince Harry, Meghan Markle and their two children Archie and Lily will be at the centre of his state funeral in shock plans leaked over the weekend as the monarch's cancer battle continues. But is that a mistake that will put William in an impossible predicament? Well we will debate that over on Substack with the Royal News Network so at this stage we move off YouTube and Rumble, we continue the conversation in the uncancelled after show. All you have to do is sign

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