Dan Wootton Outspoken - MIKE GRAHAM SUSPENDED FROM TALK & ISLAMIST NO GO ZONES AS PROTEST AXED WITH NICK TENCONI

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Fury from Talk TV viewers and listeners as Mike Graham is suspended for a “racist” Facebook post he insists he didn’t write after claiming his account was hacked. Is this another case of the cancel culture mob succeeding in removing a station’s top rated presenter? Dan knows quite a lot about that. He will reveal the full story and give his view. ALSO TODAY: Islamist No Go Zones for white and black Christians in our two biggest cities, as London and Birmingham edge towards civil war – and our toothless government does nothing about the growing hard left violent threat. UKIP leader Nick Tenconi, whose mass deportation protest has been cancelled by the Met, is rightly livid, despite backing from Rupert Lowe and Laurence Fox. He will join Dan to respond right here on Outspoken. Meanwhile, demands across the spectrum, from Elon Musk to Suella Braverman to rape gang victims, for Jess Phillips to be sacked after a deranged performance in parliament as the government inquiry descends into farce. There's also a warning from Ireland where locals have had enough after the alleged rape of a ten-year-old girl by an illegal at a migrant hotel. In his Digest, Dan argues that, with the anti-British actions of our leaders, it feels inevitable the English will be next. PLUS: The crisis engulfing the Royal Family grows, despite King Charles arriving at the Vatican, with parliament now getting involved in the Prince Andrew scandal. Andrew Lownie, the author who was behind bringing down the shamed royal, will reveal why he believes the late Queen’s favourite son will end up in jail. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s new political intervention will increase calls for their titles to be officially stripped, as they choose to take on the Donald Trump administration yet again by going public on the issue of AI, something they clearly know nothing about. We’ll reveal what’s going on with royal YouTube sensation P-Dina. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Islamist no-go zones for white and black Christians in our two biggest cities as Britain edges towards civil war. That is the stark reality facing the disunited kingdom, with Birmingham and London now ground zero of the division, with direct threats to Tommy Robinson if he dares protest at Aston Villa's Maccabi Tel Aviv game next month. Taking over the country, officially, England's over. Allah Abbao.

Yeah, what are we lining up for? This is historical. We are here to stay. Like I said, we're not here to take part. We're here to take over. Gee! Many of these fans, many of these fans are active or former soldiers who have taken part in Israel's genocide in Gaza. They should be investigated for war crimes the moment they set foot onto British soil.

I hear Tommy Robinson is going to come to the Maccabi Tel Aviv. Israel game. But the fun information is that he's going to be supporting Maccabi Tel Aviv. Tommy needs to make his mind of. He's either a nationalist, a patriotic Englishman, or he's either with the Israeli Zainislawi. He needs to make his mind of because he can't beat both. Absolutely. And another thing Tommy Robinson, you must understand, you do not know the city of Birmingham. On 6th of November at 6 p.m., we will demonstrate to you if this match continues what Birmingham is about. For far too long, your right-wing, your right-wing organisations and your right-wing logger lads think that they can disproportionately affect our communities. It's not happening.

You don't know about Bermuda. You don't know. But you're welcome. Welcome, welcome. Thank you. And now we have confirmation that the police are only going to protect one side of this increasingly dangerous culture war. In London, Mr. Rape gang cover up himself, Sadie Kahn, and his partner in crime, the Met Chief Mark Rowley, have intervened to stop a completely democratic and non-violent, pro-mass deportation, anti-extreme Islam demonstration in Whitechapel this weekend.

They admitted this political policy already backed by mainstream parties, Reform UK, advance UK and UK itself, had caused what they described as significant community concerns. As five pillars posted, the leader of the far-right Islamophobic political party, UKIP, Nick Kandoni, has called on his followers to attend his crusade through Whitechap, the Saturday. today, an area of East London, which is 43% Muslim, prompting Ferris Madad of Lotus Eders to muse, they are proud that Whitechapel is 43% Muslim. So despite the Met, allowing weekly hate marches supporting terrorists for the past two years, they cancelled it, giving in to the hard left and Antifa mob, which is increasingly inspired by their violent American counterparts. Watch.

today we need to fight the far right we will show antif the corrupt trade unions the left the socialists the communists and the islamo-fascists will not back down the racist leaders of UKIP are planning a demonstration to walk through Whitechapel to take their country back as they put it this is a massive provocation and it needs to be answered the problems in this country are the result of billionaires and the capitalist system not ordinary people who live and work here but it's the billionaires and the capitalist system that UKIP ultimately defend this is a part of a massive political mission against the whole of the capital system. But on Saturday, we need more than a political fight.

We need a mass, physical demonstration, but stop these people walking through. On that note, there are thousands of people that are already organizing. Local groups are coming out to defend their neighbourhood. And the communists are going to be there too. And we want you to come with us. Let's take this fight against UKIP, but the whole of the capital system as well. As Emma Trimble declared on X, I keep a folder on this app events that I think move Britain closer to civil war, another one for the collection.

Because it's now under-reliable that the Met Police is marching to the beat of the drum of hard-left sectarian MPs like Labour's Aspana Began. Inde indefinite leave detention to creating safe routes. We need policies that reflect our values of dignity and compassion. That's why I will continue to push back against toxic narratives and stand up for solidarity, truth and the rights for all who. live here because this is in line with the traditions of solidarity in the east end of London where we see diversity as a strength and where all of our communities

include migrants from all around the world where the Jewish communities and allies opposed fascists at the Battle of Cabal Street in 1936 where the murder of Al-Tab Ali brought people out on the streets and with the Bangladeshi communities led the anti-fascist mobilization in the 1970s and where the communities on the Isle of dogs defeated division, intolerance and hate spread by the B&P in the 1990s. We know that hardship can be overcome and it can be overcome collectively. That's why as we look back on our rich history of welcoming refugees and migrants, we look to our present, fully aware that the far right are planning to target our area once again

this week on Saturday the 25th of October amidst a rise in racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic attacks where just a couple of years ago, more than 700 people were evacuated from the East London Mosque and the London Muslim Centre and nearby schools as well, following a bomb threat. We will stand together in defiance on Saturday, and we will say, no, pass around, they shall not pass. As Sydney Jones responded to that revolting rant, this woman fails to acknowledge those living in their city who may have attended the UKIP March. She will not stop until they are defeated from every street.

Spana Begham should not be a voice for the people if she labels opposing beliefs as such. Now, you could lead to Nick Tenconi, who is standing by, he will be here and outspoken very shortly, is rightly livid. Note how the Met Police did not cancel an Islamist pro-Palestine march on October 2nd. The day two people were killed in a terror attack at the mansion. to synagogue. And unlike our protests, the Islamist turned violent and attacked the police. Isn't it interesting? The Met Police regularly say they have no powers to stop all sorts of abhorrent extremist protests. Yet when it comes to us, they are able to trample on our rights. Now, Restore Britain boss, Rupert Lowe, has backed him, writing, so what? What's offensive

about mass deportations? We have Islamist hate spouted on our streets most weekends, yet you allow that was seeming joy. People have a right to peacefully protest to demand mass deportations. Lawrence Fox, he actually went further, the reclaimed leader, posting on X, the Met Police have surrendered and now work for the Islamists. They know they are outnumbered and incapable of preventing violence from the unassimilated, intolerant, determined conquering mob who have no interest in Britain, but to exploit our own suicidal tolerance and impose a political ideology upon us, which is entirely antithetical to our own. Europe rejects. Europe, rejects. Communism, it must do the same with Islam. The alternative is that children will be fighting

street by street for a right to their homeland. The end result of the failed multicultural experiment will be to live as second-class citizens in our own homeland. Wake up, this is our home, we have nowhere else to go, mass deportations now. And even Jewish campaigner Heidi Bacrum, who's been on an awful campaign against Tommy Robinson over the past week, pointed out, for two years, propels have had marches galore, calling for Israel to be destroyed and to desionize the country. Hamas support, anti-Semitism, and more. Police kept telling us they had no powers to stop it. It's this sort of thing that leads people to say there's two-tier justice. Even more shocking, given the fact the same Met police force has just been exposed by the daily telegraph for lying about

the arrest of a Jewish lawyer for the apparent offence of proudly wearing his style. of David. Regime changes clearly required to save our troubled big cities, with Sadiq Khan Challenger and Middleton admitting, I feel a huge sense of frustration that I can't step in and give the people the safety and security that they have a right to and deserve, especially to our children. If Khan really had London and Londoners' best interests at heart, he would step down and allow a real leader to take over. Khan, your culturalised. ideologies do not mix with ours. Your values and principles are not morally aligned and are anti-British, especially anti-English. London is the capital of England and there's absolutely

nothing English about you whatsoever. You should never have been allowed to hold such a position. Stop endangering our people and beautiful capital city with your toxic ways. Do not play dumb when it comes to the lives of our children. But that's what this Labour mob do to appease the Islam vote when they know they are losing to the even further hard-left Green Party and Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultanah's mad clan. What else can explain the total sham of the government's failing probe into what they call grooming gangs, which has seen three abuse survivors quit in disgust at Jess Phillips as officials try to gag them? And Jess Phillips' display in Parliament proves why she has caused a storm of outrage.

said this yesterday. I won't be gagged and controlled by the government while they turn this inquiry into a cover-up. So will the Minister apologise to Fiona and to Elie Ann? Mr. What I would say to the Honourable Gentleman in his room is that he didn't listen to my remarks at all because what's suggesting that the government has silenced anybody is that the government has not handled this process, it has been handled by a grooming gang charity, of which he cites, of which he cites and names, a victim of crime. And look, what I will say to the honourable gentleman, which he would know, if he had done anywhere near the level of work that I have done, is that not all victims and survivors are of the same opinion. They are

not one homogenous group of people who all think the same thing, who all want the same exposure, who all want their identities known. And so what I would say is that I have spoken to Fiona Goddard many times and I will continue that relationship with her, should that be what she wishes. And every single survivor who has been engaged with, of which there have been many will have different feelings on this subject. Revolting. Katie Lamb bought the receipts, though. The men who prayed on them were predominantly Muslim, generally either from Pakistan or of Pakistani heritage.

One of the victims from Tuzbury was told by her rapist, I quote, we're here to fuck all the white girls and fuck the government. Will the minister accept that, in many cases, these crimes were racially and religiously aggravated? As the session went on, Jess Phillips became increasingly unhinged. The conversation with Oldham is, do we not think it might be better for them just to take part in a statutory inquiry? That is absolutely nothing to do with the idea that Oldham is telling me what to do. And the more people from that side, oh, he can hold up his paper and have a smug face all he likes.

likes, but the fact of the matter is, is that there is absolutely no council in this country who will tell this inquiry where it can and cannot go. I have said that one million times from this dispatch box and yet the same thing gets peddled again and again. Honestly, it makes me sick. She ended up seething in rage though, when Lee Anderson made the very sound point that she is continuing the cover-up. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The cover-up continues. We have a prime minister who never wanted a national inquiry. We have a minister who never wanted a national inquiry.

And we have the Labour backbenchers who never wanted a national inquiry. So does the minister agree with me that the victims of these horrific crimes will never get the justice they deserve as long as we have a Labour government in charge? It's quite impressive that you would stand up and say that after a grooming victim stood up and spoke on these benches. But, you know, I've learnt to expect it. When the Honourable Gentleman stands up and talks about cover-up, I understand that he, or maybe he's doing it for clicks, I don't know, but I understand that he thinks he's doing God's work in fighting this. The level of bad faith, the idea that it's easy to find a chair or easy to find people who want to step forward and take part in this process when it is mired in, I have to say, political point scoring like he just did.

I have to say, I think that he should really question his own morality. Oh my God. No wonder this woman has lost the support of survivors, despite slippery Stama predictably backing her today, even though he was owned by Kemi Baderoc. The government has been engaged in a briefing war against survivors. Elizabeth. Oh, really? They say shame.

Why don't they listen to what Elizabeth had to say? Why don't they listen to what Elizabeth had to say? Elizabeth had to say. Elizabeth who was abused in Rotherham from the age of 14 had this to say and I quote, the government has created a toxic environment for survivors. They were looking for answers from the Prime Minister and what they've heard is Labour MP saying shame at their words. Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, the Safeguarding Minister said Elizabeth was wrong. Who should we believe? The Prime Minister's safeguarding minister or Elizabeth? Mr. Mr. Speaker, let me put on record my respect for all of the survivors who've been through the most awful ordeals.

And I want to thank those that have been involved so far for the work in the process. What we're trying to do is to get this right and have an inquiry with survivors at the heart. As the safeguarding minister told the House yesterday, that's obviously not easy. They've all come with difficult experiences. So we all know this can't go on. My friend, campaigner Sammy Woodhouse, herself as a survivor, posted, Jess Phillips can't control her emotions, let alone handle the inquiry. Another copy-paced statement from the Home Secretary,

referring to Shabana Mahmood's intervention to GB News last night. We've heard it all before. Jess Phillips and Kea Starman need to resign and take their whole party with them. The wonderful Samantha Smith. Another friend, another survivor, added the National Grooming Gang's enquiry is a farce. Labor is a disgrace,

and Jess Phillips is unfit for public office. Watch. Jess Phillips is unfit for public office. The Labour Party were never the ones to lead this charge. And quite frankly, Kirstama, Jess, and everyone else involved should hang their heads in shame for the way that they've conducted themselves.

I'm sorry, how can you ignore? someone like this the national inquiry into grooming gangs is a farce and jess phillips is unfit for public office we're seeing survivors three now and i'm sure there will be more walking away from a process that was promised to be the change that they have been so denied for so many years and speaking from experience survivors don't walk away for no reason they only walk away when they are at the end of their tether i've spent years talking about the abuse that i suffered in telford about the people and organizations that failed me, that turned their backs and told me that it was my fault,

that I had brought it on myself, that somehow my lifestyle and my choices had led me to where I was. And so for the National Inquiry to have promised that they would be victim-focused, that survivors would be at the heart of every decision that was made, for them now to turn around and snare those very same survivors who were criticizing the process, and the secrecy and the culture of silencing that is once again plaguing our institutions.

Well, it's just more of the same. Jess Phillips voted against a National Inquiry into Grooming Gang. She spent years saying that there was nothing going on, that the figures, the numbers, the names, that they were all blown out of proportion. She then watered down the local inquiries model until it was scrapped altogether. scrapped altogether. And only after significant public pressure do she turn around and admit that perhaps a national inquiry might be needed. And now in the House of Commons today, she sneered at and refused to acknowledge the concerns of survivors. Well done, Samantha Smith. Soella Braverman

agrees. Posting the rape gang's inquiry is in crisis. The government is covering the cover-up. This cannot go on. When will we get justice for survival? survivors, Jess Phillips needs to resign. Aunt Middleton agreed. If Jess Phillips' latest unhinged, unstable and uncomfortable outbursts isn't signs of some serious cracks forming in the Labour Party, then I don't know what is. Stama, Khan, Phillips, Lammy and Mahmood are all enemies of the people and our children. They simply can never be trusted.

And we never will trust the slot. I will never forget Lucy Powell, who by the way they're about to elect as the Labour Party deputy leader, I will never forget her going public with the fact that she believes the whole thing is some sort of racist dog whistle. If I don't know if you saw the documentary on Channel 4 about rape gangs over this. No, we want to blow that little trumpet now, do we? Yeah. There is a real issue where...

Let's get that dog whistle out, shall we? Where count... Look, the councils, there were so many people who were so afraid for... Can I just finish the point? for one minute. Finish that point, Tim, and then I'll bring in Helen. Look, there were so many people in local government, in the authorities who, for good reasons, were worried about upsetting community tensions that those girls went undefended.

Now, there were good reasons, but that no one has still been brought to justice to that. So you tell me, Lucy, that this isn't a culture in local government. It's just not true. Helen Morgan. Elon Musk has also weighed in agreeing with the outspoken superstar panelist Lee Harris. that Jess Phillips is completely unsuited to have any part of this inquiry and that labourer covering up a cover up and she is part of the problem. It's disgusting. And all of this is only leading in one direction, right? For our country, for the United Kingdom. With disturbing scenes in Ireland last night that I think foreshadow what's coming if we the people continue to be ignored.

As Dave Atherton explained, the Irish have snapped a ten. year old girl is thought to have been raped at the City West Asylum Hotel in Dublin by a migrant. The local residents are pouting the police with missiles while shouting, get them out. Watch. I was going to our country. This is our country. This is our country. He's like to do it. We don't get it. We don't care anymore. We don't care anymore. James added. Dublin tonight looks like Belfast during the troubles. Civil war is going to break out across

Ireland and the UK if governments don't get a grip on illegal migration. Watch. So I'm here at the protest at City West Hotel where a migrant an asylum seeker that was supposed to be deported, stayed in the country

and raped a 10-year-old Irish girl that was in stake there. As you can see, things are massively kicking off here. There's probably well over a and protesters. Unfortunately, this is the first crime we've seen like this, even in the last year or two. So things are really reaching a boiling point here.

Leo Kirsts observed that it's the only riot he's seen where the rioters are on horses instead of the police. He was being serious, watch. One, you get fucking heart, sit out. One of the world's, looking about running. the violence ending up being pepper sprayed by the police. Guys, are you okay?

I need something in water, my eye. We're both pepper sprayed right now? It's crazy out here. He posted afterwards the pain of pepper spray is one thing, but the main thing is you can't see, so you can't really move. Police were indiscriminate, attacking anyone and everyone, including journalists, and even someone in a wheelchair, quite a night. But what's clear to me is that the Irish are standing up. Will the English be next? With the anti-British actions of our

leaders, that now feels inevitable. Now, the uncancled interview. Nick Tenconi, the leader of the UKIP party, and of course, Chief Operating Officer of Turning Point UK, joins me now. And Nick, we will get to this breaking news very shortly about talk radio, sacking Mike Graham, for an apparently racist post. But first, to the very serious breaking news that I discussed in the digest about the cancellation of your march, your march for mass deportations, which has very serious people, Nick, now saying, the UK's headed for civil war, if this is the way, this is the way the police are going to act. But because I want to show you the evil of the other side, Nick, and what they are saying about this before you respond. let me just share with you two posts. The first from Aspana Begham MP, who we saw speaking there in the Digest.

Far-right thugs may not be able to march through Tower Hamlets this Saturday now, but we'll not stop until they're defeated from every street of our city. From Poplar to Whitechapel and beyond, we'll take a stand wherever. And they're in decor posted good. A party that has a leader who appears to like doing Nazi salutes must never be allowed to go around, quote, protesting in areas where the public will feel at risk or in danger. Nick Tenconi over to you. Your response. Well, Narenda's been very silly once again, Dan, as she often likes to be. It's as egregious as it gets to say that I like doing.

Nazi salutes, and it's liable, and people keep doing it. So it's very silly behavior. Everyone knows that my ideology and my behavior prohibits me from getting involved in any of that nonsense on the extreme right or extreme left for that matter. So in terms of in terms of Beegam's comments, I've responded to her today and I've just called her out, Islamophobia is not a word, basically called out far left totalitarian propaganda. And what I really want to convey to your audience is the fact that I've also called out in my latest tweet to her, which isn't something that I do because I'm not concerned with these people. But I've said, look, my hand was extended pre the announcement of Whitechapel

and even during the last few days. I've made that very clear in my face-to-camera videos and in my promotional videos. My hand has extended to peaceful moderate Muslims in denouncing radical Islam and indeed the Islamic Caliphate, where they live in their conclaves and their cohorts, but then two years ago, after October the 7th, we saw that they were going to try and expand territory. So it's okay for them to expand territory. It's okay for them to offend Jews. It's okay for them to offend the entire population. It's okay for them to cause outrage, etc. So you have to understand what no-go zones in the Islamic Caliphate looks like and how it maneuvers, etc. So my hand was extended and what she done as a member of parliament,

She's decided to try and smear me and my party, my activists and my movement as far right. And she's used the words thugs. Let's be absolutely clear about this. The Met police have cancelled and banned freedom of speech and indeed Christianity and patriotism and concerned citizens from a colonised no-go zone, which the powers that be at the Met have acknowledged that it is indeed a colonised no-go zone. And the point is that I extended my hand to what they are saying, Begham, in the case of moderate, peaceful Muslims, they said, we don't want you here. We absolutely don't want your message of anti-extremism, declaring war on Islamo-fascism, declaring war on radical Islam, declaring war on jihad.

We don't want that message here. And there you go, Dan. So my hand's extended to the moderates. But once again, we have even more proof of two things. And this is the matter which we now face is completely grave. One is the police have lost complete control over the colonized no-go Islamist zones. They have completely lost control. The public can be in no greater danger when they lose trust and faith in the police.

And the second thing is that the peaceful moderate Muslims, apparently they've all spoken out. We can all say that potentially the Aspana isn't an Islamist. They've all spoken out saying we don't want your anti-extremism. We don't want your anti-Islamo-fascist. We don't want your anti-communist rhetoric in our neighbourhoods. That's extremely problematic. And that's why we've got the media storm that we've got now. That's without talking about two-tier policing, Dan.

And the thing is, Nick, we actually played your full video on the show last week. And you couldn't have been clear. You were opening your arms up to the local Muslim. population and saying, let's come together against extremism. Yet it is your protest that has been cancelled. And I now think that there is absolutely no doubt that we have a metropolitan police force and we have a mayor of London that are now working against the English people. What else can explain this? They didn't stop any of the hate marches over the past year, Nick. I mean, this is grave. It is grave and it is chilling.

You know, Dan, I was thinking about, I made some notes. I was thinking about when the words, the river from the river to the sea was plastered over Big Ben. I was thinking about when pro pali demo was, went ahead. The organizers went ahead and the activists went ahead the same day that two Jews were slaughtered. I was thinking about when radical Islamist hate groups spoke publicly calling for jihad. in the wake of the October 7th massacre. I was thinking about Islamist militias carrying weapons and the Muslim Defence League thugs carrying weapons

and being told to deposit them back at the mosque by local police liaison officers. I was thinking about the 57 prescribed terrorist organizations in the UK out of a total of 80 prescribed terrorist organizations, the 57 being Islamist in orientations. I was thinking about October the 7th, 2023, when Islamists took to the streets, God on their knees, stuck their bombs in the air, and prayed to their God in the wake of the massacre that happened, conducted by radical Islamists.

I was thinking about all of those things, and I was thinking about their attitude, be they peaceful, moderate Muslim, or whether they be Islamist. I was thinking about all these things, and I was thinking about all these community tensions, And I was thinking about all these diasporas and demographics, be they Iranian, for example, Syrian, Armenian. I was thinking about all of these demographics, including those who are the product of the offspring of grandma and granddad that have fled communism in Eastern Europe, for example, because we know about the Unholy Alliance where communism is stand shoulder to shoulder. And I was thinking about all these things and all these demographics and diasporas, women and children, how about the Jewish? Jewish community. How about common sense concerned citizens saying, look, we're taking our country back and we don't care about something that's happening over land, two and a thousand miles away. And I was thinking, what about our concerns? What about these people's concerns? It simply isn't something that registers or that matters. So we now know that the matter with which we face is completely grave. And we know that I have also extended my hands of the Patriots. Civil War is out of the question. It is it is not only illegal. It is a moral. But we now have a demonstrable case whereby everyone and anyone, it's a lot of

centre ground people, centre right people, they've come out in support of me, in support of my party, in support of the vision, saying, right, this is now potentially another massive, great big red line to add to all the other red lines where we potentially can't come back from this. So we can talk about peaceful political solutions all we want. As long as the government and our law enforcement, higher upers. As long as they keep pandering to the radical Islamist extremists, I don't think this ends well for us in any way, shape or form at all down. And we've tried to avoid this. We've tried to avoid this. Do you agree with Emma Trimble, the commentator, who says that this decision seems like the start of what's going to lead to civil war?

And I also just flag again, Nick, those scenes in Ireland last night, in Dublin, where the Irish have had enough of invaders to their country, allegedly raping 10-year-olds. And it feels almost inevitable that those scenes will be repeated here soon. Yeah. So again, I've gone out of my way. I'm on record as saying we need peaceful solutions. The only way that do you achieve that. is through political means in our system. We want, it's very clear our pledge to the British people is we want control over our institutions. We want control over central government. We want control over the police and over the military culture runs downstream from politics.

So we are doing everything, Dan. You, me, good people. We're doing everything to provide this solution. But the state and law enforcement refuses to do the hard jobs. They refuse to put in the hard yards, which is to stand up to the, Islamic Caliphate and radical Islam, because you've got to understand, Islamic Caliphate is an expansionist idea in orientation. It's an expansionist business model.

It's based on Arab supremacy. And Islamism is, of course, the religio and political spread of Islam by the sword. And the government and law enforcement have got to get to grips with this, and they can waste no time whatsoever in doing exactly what myself as a political leader is saying, and that is you must declare war both on radical Islam and the caliphate. Now, if this doesn't happen, you're now asking the people to do it. You're asking Gen Pop to do it at your point about scenes in Ireland, for example. This is not an isolated incident.

People are getting so fatigued, so exhausted, and good people, we're saying, please sort this out so that it doesn't tread on the directional travel, that it's on. And all I can say, Dan, is that if we've done everything we can and there's nothing more we can do, then I don't know what's going to, I don't know. I'm on record of saying, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what the plan is. But I'm asking once again, the government and law enforcement to get their arms around the Islamic Caliphate and radical Islamism with its colonized no-go zones and its hatred and bigotry towards anything outside of Islamo-fascism.

must be destroyed, and it's the state and law enforcement that must lead the charge. Breaking right now, Talk TV's star presenter, the host of their morning show, has been axed by the station, officially suspended over a Facebook post on Sunday night that Mike Graham insists was never written by him, but was rather posted by a happy. Now, I know a lot. I know a lot about what happens when the cancel culture mob within your own mainstream media organisation comes for you. And I have great sympathy for what Mike is currently experiencing. At the same time, I have great excitement for what's going to happen to this man once he is unshackled and outside the constraints of a company like News UK, which, to be totally

honest, remember I worked there for years, including at Talk Radio, has been totally invested by the woke mine virus, and it's the woke mob within his own company who are currently trying to destroy him. But I want to take you through this whole story, let you know exactly what happened, because you're not going to get the truth here from the mainstream media. So on Sunday night, Mike posted on his Facebook and Instagram, compare and contrast. Tell me we're not fucked by multicultural bollocks, why are we surrounded by non-white people, just fuck off? It caused a minor storm, resulting in him then posting on X. On Sunday night, my Facebook was accessed and a vile message was posted on my page without my knowledge.

It contained words that I would never write and an opinion I don't share. As soon as I found out, I immediately did. deleted the post and have taken steps to ensure my cybersecurity is enhanced. Obviously, I am mortified that such a post could have gone out in my name and am now attempting to find out how it could have happened. I'm equally very sorry for any distress it has caused to anyone. But the hard left mob on X was simply not going to accept that apology, just like Zara Sultanah is still refusing to accept the very genuine apology from Christian Calgi of the Daily Express. Henry Morris went viral for saying impressive that the hacker used the picture you're just

posted on Twitter moments beforehand. So the suggestion is that Mike Graham is in some way not telling the truth here. Now, these media organisations never stick by their talent, under pressure, unfortunately. They always give in. I remember Dan Bongino, now deputy director of the FBI, saying to me, after my suspension by G.B. News, they folded quicker than a cheap suit. And that's exactly what happened with the management at Talk TV. Even though Mike had posted his hostage video apology, which it clearly was, he was immediately removed from his morning glory show with his close friend Jeremy Kyle stepping in. But what was telling? And this is not usual.

is that Jeremy Kyle made absolutely no reference to his mate during the broadcast yesterday or today at all. That resulted in a formal suspension by Talk TV and News UK's executives. I can reveal that Mike Graham is now being formally investigated by the company. And so what this does is it buys them time to work out, what are we going to do? How are we going to deal with this? And the problem that they've got is they have empowered the very woke staff within their own organization, including at Talk Sport, where I can reveal there is a campaign to get Mike Graham sacked. And so immediately, they leak incorrect information to the Daily Mail,

which also has egg on its face this afternoon because they ran with the headline, Mike Graham is sacked. from Talk Breakfast Show after racist posts on his Facebook account as he insists he was hacked. And of course, that was fake news. Mike Graham has not been sacked at this point at least. He has been subjected to one of those horrendous HR witch hunts. So the mail quickly tweaked its headline to Mike Graham is suspended from Talk Breakfast Show after racist posts on his Facebook account as he. He insists he was hacked.

But of course, what's happened? The left-wing mob, the hard leftist haters, the real violent people causing division within the country are celebrating this. They're taking this as a win, just like they did. When I was forced off GV News for laughing at something Lawrence Fox said. And that's why these mainstream media organizations are completely mad to give in to the mob.

but they always do. Look at the people celebrating. Talk, and this is why you should stand by your man. Bushra Sheikh wrote, surprised but happy to hear that Talk TV have sacked Mike Graham for his racist post on Facebook. He blocked me a while ago after I had pointed out his blatant bigotry, racism and Islamophobia. It was a long time coming. Next up is Julia Hartley Brewer. And that's the point about these people.

This is just a campaign to shut down all of our voices. And I always said that behind the scenes at G.B. News, when they jettisoned Mark Stein to appease the off-communist beast. It was never going to be enough. So, of course, it wasn't. Then they jettison Lawrence Fox and myself and Father Calvin Robinson. Then they came for Jacob Brees-Mogg and Nigel Farad. They want to shut us all down. But the difference is, actually, is that talk without Mike Graham is going to become increasingly irrelevant. and this independent space, which I am so proud to now be a part of in the United Kingdom, is rising. Narenda Kaur obviously weighed it, writing,

I'm astounded a channel whose entire unique selling point is bigotry and racism is sacking someone for being exactly that. Oh, bugger off, Norenda! Just for once! Have a slight bit of humanity and wait to see the facts in this case. because Mike Graham surely has a right to prove that he was indeed hacked. But unfortunately, I see this happening all over the media. I've experienced it myself.

And I just want to be very clear today to Mike. This is going to be really tough right now. You're going to have lots of people turn on you. You're going to have lots of people who publicly distance themselves from you because they're concerned about being caught up in your scandal. And you're going to see that there's a lot of people operating in the mainstream media who are gutless and are all about the money. But what matters, Mike Graham, is your audience,

the people who trust you, the relationship that you have with them. And I don't think anymore that you need to be doing that on Talk TV. Now, again, I say that with some regret. I mean, look, I loved Talk. and many of you will have followed me from there to G.B. News and independently, I previously hosted the Talk Drive show. But I would say, you don't need to be on there anymore, Mike. So come into this brave new world and just look after yourself at the moment because this is going to be a very rough ride. Now, let's get reaction.

So Nick Tanconi, who's back with me now, this is quite a complicated story. Confusion has rained all afternoon because first the Daily Mail reported that Mike Graham had been sacked from talk. Then it was downgraded to a suspension. Certainly his job seems to be on the line. But the first thing I just want to do, Nick, is go back to that original post. And let's just take as read for the moment that one. what Mike Graham is saying about being hacked, and I don't know the answer to that is not true. And let's just say that his original post stands. I want to know if you think it's right for him to be in trouble for this. So this is what he posted on his Instagram and his Facebook account. Compare and contrast, tell me we're not fucked by multicultural bollocks. Why are we surrounded by non-white people? Just fuck off.

Do you have a problem with that post, Nick? Right. So, Dan, this is the first time I've been got a lot going on at the moment. It's the first time I've seen that. I presume this is breaking news. Exactly. This is just breaking. Okay, right. I'm going to have to process this. Everyone knows that my ideology is conservatism. And we also know that there is a different ideology called ethno-nationalism. And let's be absolutely clear about this.

You can be a conservative, small sea conservative, and acknowledge that we are being replaced. You can be a small sea conservative and you can acknowledge the Islamic Caliphate. You can be a small conservative and you can understand that the latest stats say that it's 1.9 million foreigners claiming welfare in Britain, which I think has increased from 1.7 in just the last, this year alone. and I think it's a 21 billion spend. So you can be a small C conservative and the following can be true. I'm processing what Mike has just put out. I know he's a,

I know you might call him a hot-headed guy. I don't know, passionate, etc. I don't like that tweet. I don't like that. I don't like that tweet. Because can I just suggest what Mike Graham should have said? Because for me, Nick, I'm completely colourblind, right? I've lived my whole life, colourblind.

This is why anti-racists actually can't stand me. Because my whole life I've said, I do not give a shit what color you are. Black, brown, white. I do not give A damn what I care about is your culture. Now, if Mike Graham had replaced the words, why are we surrounded by non-white people, by why are we surrounded by illegal migrants,

by immigrants, by Islamists, then all of a sudden I think you're in totally different territory. But to say non-white people, that also puts in a lot of incredible people who are true patriots. I mean, many of whom, who we have on this show on a regular basis

from based and bougie to Father Calvin Robinson, both involved in your party, Nick. Yeah, I stand by what I'm processing this, Dan. I stand by what I've said. I don't know why, why Mike's done that he shouldn't have done that um if the question is should he be sacked uh like no different from when we talk about sentencing i'm not a judge or jury but let's be absolutely clear UKIP our our ideology at UKIP and what drives us is our faith and our political

ideology that ideology is conservatism we are commanded as baptized Christians to be colorblind we are commanded to reject racism now everyone knows this and I'm on record of saying this, it is also my true belief. So as you rightly say, if Mike felt outraged or what he was witnessing was problematic, he needs to call out radical Islam, he needs to call out the invaders, he needs to call out the far left extremists who subscribe to communism, he needs to call out the number one threats to our way of life. What you do not do, and that's why I can't explain what he's done, is say, look, here's a picture of this, I'm actually sick of it. If it was in the context of demographic replacement, I have three arguments, which to this day I cannot be defeated

on with regards to, yes, we are being replaced and you can be outraged at that, but you need to be outraged at the 200,000 abortions each year. You need to be outraged at liberal fathers who tell their daughters that they can have as many abortions as they want. You have to be outraged at liberal degeneracy. You have to be outraged that our birth rate is 1.6 because we were sold a lie, both the millennials and the younger generations, which hopefully the new trad generation is going to autocorrect. So if you want to go after demographic replacement, that's fine. But it's a, it's a three-pronged approach and it involves an awful lot of conservatism ideology, which is personal responsibility. Go after the invaders, go after the communists. You can go after

Black Lives Matter who wear black block and who wear masks and who get involved in protests, which result in the tearing down of statues. I mean, I could go on and on. You You can go after extremism and you can go after anti-British sentiment and subversion. But what you can't do as far as I'm concerned and what I wouldn't do is say, look at these people, they're not white, I'm sick of this. It's far more nuanced than that and it's a really, I'm really sad to it. Yeah, that's really problematic. Yeah.

Now, again, just to clarify, Mike Graham is not saying that he did post that because, Because he has, after that post, written on X, on Sunday night, my Facebook was accessed, and a vile message was posted on my page without my knowledge. It contained words that I would never write in an opinion I don't share. As soon as I found out, I immediately deleted the post and have taken steps to ensure my cybersecurity is enhanced. Obviously, I am mortified that such a post could have gone out in my name and are now attempting to find out how it could have happened.

I am equally very sorry for any distress it has caused to anyone. What's interesting, though, Nick, is despite that post, he was taken off air on Tuesday, and Jeremy Kyle has been filling in in his place. Now, I listen to Mike Graham in the morning. I think he's a great broadcaster, and he's always been very, very good to me. I want to make that very clear. And I don't celebrate the cancellation of anyone. I know what it feels like. I really, really do. And especially if Mike Graham is saying that he didn't post this, it's all very much. murky. But I also know how talk works. And usually if someone's filling in, they say, oh, you know, I'm in for Mike Graham. Jeremy Kyle isn't saying that. And the problem is there is a leftist campaign going on now, Nick, to actually get Mike Graham. Henry Morris is one of

these people who has written impressive that the hacker used the picture you're just posted on Twitter moments beforehand. And there was also a black presenter on one of the other stations, I think either talk sport or Virgin who had previously posted on X that they thought it was completely unacceptable for Mike Graham to keep his job. And so this is what happens. This is cancel culture in action.

And it's a terrible thing, Nick. And I know that having gone through it myself at GB News. So, Dan, I wasn't aware of that. So you're telling me that he's saying that it wasn't him. So let's be absolutely clear. If Graham has, if, if Mike said that's not me, I've been hacked, then my opinion is, I really, I really feel for him. We've all, we've all been there, edited, fake images, AI produced images, hacked images, hacking into systems. So let's be absolutely clear.

If he's saying that it's not me, then, then I, my opinion changes. It's like, well, innocent until proven guilty. Absolutely. Of course. But I guess the question is, why has talk taken him off air? Sure. If they believe the claim that he has been hacked. I mean, look, it's a nightmare scenario for that station, which is built around Mike Graham. I've got a big event with him and Jeremy Kyle coming up at, I think it's the Shepherds Bush Empire, a big live event.

And I guess, Nick, this just shows you. the very choppy waters that we're in now, right? And personally, my recommendation to Mike Graham, regardless of what happens here, would be don't stay in the dead world of media where you have your strings pulled, where you're told what to say. Come on over to this independent side because lots of people in the US have done it, have been the number one rated host, Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, and are doing much, much better because maybe the difference is we can have the honest conversations here without the fear of cancellation. Yeah, certainly. So you know, I'm a huge fan of the rise of independent media yourself and podcasters as well. Your reach is enormous. Obviously,

guys like Maya, for example, Myattusi, over a million followers now. He did some fantastic promo for us yesterday and rightly so. We've been banned from Whitechapel. You, Dan, have been incredibly good to me to ask to the party. You've been incredibly kind as well. Lots of people have. It works. People love new media. They're absolutely sick of establishment media. Now, I'm not going to talk disparagingly about talk. There are other news channels that I would talk very disparagingly about because their behaviour is completely unacceptable. It seems like he's been cancelled. If I've heard you right, he's essentially been cancelled on the spot, innocent until proven guilty. he's saying it's not me

there is there's been no it's too soon for an investigation and to follow standard operating procedure internally which I'm sure talk is riddled with and you've got a guy who's again it's the woke mob isn't it you've got a guy who's been cancelled be saying look I didn't do it

well hang on a minute you know you can't you can't do that what does that say about us as a society look at all the people yourself included father Robinson Lawrence all the people that have been cancelled Hang on a minute. Speech is either free or it isn't.

And we're just headed down this totalitarian path, which is kind of separate to talking about the illegal invasion. It's kind of separate to talking about Islamo-fascism. But it links with digital ID. It links with patriots and concerned citizens' fears over this dystopian future where you are tracked, traced, monitored, and that includes your speech. Speech is either free or it is not. But in terms of being a free speech absolutist, because you've always got to add this bit into the free speech conversation, the question becomes, is it should you have a freedom of consequence environment?

We all know that there should be consequences. Words are important. There should be consequences. In the case of Mike, if I've heard you right, we don't know the truth. He's been cancelled immediately. That sounds like the woke mob mafia getting their way internally at talk. And it's not a good sign. It's not good news.

Exactly. Yeah. Well, look, we're obviously going to stay on this story in a way that the mainstream media won't. And I guess the one thing I would say about talking it, you're right, I don't criticise all of it, but they don't platform you. They don't platform Ben Habib. They don't platform Tommy Robinson. They don't platform Katie Hopkins. But they platform a hell of a lot of hard leftists who hate our country. So that's all I'll say. That's all I'll say, Nick. But look, nobody's perfect. Of course, nobody's perfect. No station is perfect. And in some ways, I'm very proud of my time at talk, and it's the best of a bad bunch. But look, Nick Tenconi, the leader of UK, chief operating officer of Turning Point, UK. You know you are always welcome here on Outspoken. Thank you so much, Nick. Now the author behind Prince Andrew's downfall, Andrew Launy. Breaking today, a massive sea change within both Buckingham Palace and Westminster about the future of Prince Andrew, about the action that is now being demanded from the king,

both by senior courtiers, the country's top politicians and his own son. As many Royal Insiders say this also can't just be about Andrew, there has to be a reshaping of the British Royal Family, which also includes stripping princely titles and the right to use HrRH status from Harry, Megan, Beatrice, Eugenie, Archie and Lily as well. But one man who has been completely behind the down. of Prince Andrew. As Andrew Launy, he is the author of the bombshell bestseller, entitled,

which really was the beginning of the end for the duke. And he still is a duke, despite this farcical announcement last week. Andrew Launy, so great to have you back on Outspoken. There is a huge amount to get to today. This crisis is going. political ramifications are vast. But I want to come to first this quite extraordinary information that you have, which you say will end up seeing Prince Andrew in jail. Now, that has been a prospect that has been a worst nightmare for King Charles and Prince William for the last decade.

the deep state and the establishment have done their best to avoid it from happening. Why do you now think, Andrew, that everything has changed? Well, I think it's literally changed over the weekend. I think the feeling was that the announcement on Friday really didn't go far enough. It was just a piece of window dressing. I mean, it should have come from the king. Andrew shouldn't have been allowed to get away with some of the claims he made. and public opinion is way ahead of the palace and indeed the government rather like it was when Diana died

and the palace had to slightly swerve and respond to it but you're absolutely right it's no longer the problem of Andrew it's the wider problem of the monarchy and how it has protected its own I certainly found in my research that the palace were protecting Andrew they were not taking any of the complaints that were made to the Queen or her secretaries. They weren't taking them seriously. Indeed, she was giving him honours each time he was quoted in some scandal. There were lots of complaints about his time as a trade envoy. He was exploiting his royal position for his own personal gain, and that was true also of Sarah Ferguson. And yet, again, nothing was done. And I think the feeling of hope was that basically a deferential press wouldn't address this,

and they could sort of, the news agenda would allow them to move on. But I think the public are pretty fed up with that approach. And I think William has clearly seen the huge reputational damage to the monarchy from Andrew and that the body politic has been infected by his diseased limb. And I think politicians, though they've had the sort of three-line whip not to talk about it, are increasingly getting pressure from the constituents to actually say that there must be legislation to rhythm of these titles. I mean, it was a farce. Nothing really changed for him on Friday night. It's perfectly easy to get rid of these titles. Queen Marguerite of Denmark got rid of four princely titles for her grandchildren, their letters patent.

There are plenty of MPs who would give parliamentary time to this. There's huge public support, I think about 80% support for it. But I think the titles are only one part of the story. And as you alluded, I think the real question is whether he should face charges. and I think the charges on the Epstein case are more difficult to sustain I think because of the age of Virginia Geoffrey when she was here. But I think there's certainly a case for misconduct in public office

not just by getting his police protection officer basically to smear Virginia Geoffrey but also his activities as a special trade representative. And there are plenty of occasions which I outline in the book where he shoehorned in meetings when he was meant to be promoting British trade

to promote either Jeffrey Epstein's business interests or David Rowland's. There are plenty of instances where he took a commission, not because he was promoting British trade, he was actually promoting a Greek water company. And these should have been investigated. There are plenty of court cases where mysterious large sums of money found their way into his account, and indeed Sarah Ferguson and one of the daughters,

which can't be explained. And so I think if he, if they, there's a proper investigation. I think they will find that there was financial corruption within not just a senior member of the royal family, but that was supported by the connivance of the institution itself. So I think we're in very serious territory here, probably the most serious royal crisis since 1936 and the abdication. Indeed, because the prospect of a trial could obviously overshadow the end of the reign of Charles III and the beginning of the reign of King William V.

But just to be very clear, you now believe that there is a realistic path to Prince Andrew ending up behind bars, ending up jailed. Yes, I mean, you know, clearly the Met have kind of fudged it in the past with investigations. National Crime Agency were lobbied by MPs 20 years ago and nothing happened. But I've certainly offered information that I have, which couldn't go in the book, that I would give the National Crime Agency. I couldn't put in for legal reasons, but I think would give them

some pretty strong evidence. Okay, so to be clear, I just want to be very, very clear on this, you're saying that you personally have evidence of new criminality conducted by Prince Andrew that you were unable to include in your book, but you have passed it on to the authorities? I haven't passed it on to the authorities, but I'm offering to pass it on to the authorities. You know, this may not be enough evidence to charge him with anything, but I think it should be investigated.

And I know that this evidence was passed. to the Queen's private secretary and the people who passed it were told that she wasn't interested. But I think there's a very strong case here, and it's a question of getting people to give testimony and support it. But yes, I think there is a very strong case for him to be investigated. And of course, he should be making himself as a material witness available to law enforcement in the States. I know the Senate Oversight Committee are keen to talk to him. that I think the lawyers of the victims would like him to come and talk. We've got to remember that when he actually ran away to Balmoral

to get away from having any summons served on him, and clearly the release of these various emails in recent weeks has shown that he has lied repeatedly about the extent of his relationship with Epstein. And I think the feeling is if he's lied about these things, which he was very adamant about on Newsnight, then what else is he lying about? This is a man who paid a huge sum to a woman he claimed never to have met and has consistently refused to cooperate with anyone

even to give, as I say, evidence. He was staying in these houses on a regular basis. I have to say Sarah Ferguson was too, and she should be a witness. And yet they haven't volunteered their services here. So it does rather put a question of how deeply involved was Andrew in Epstein's operations. And the big revelation for me from the Virginia Dufray book, but again, we have to be clear, Virginia Dufray made a lot of allegations, not all of them stacked up.

Certainly her claims against Alan Dershowitz were not true, for example, but it is a shocking claim in the book, which you may have been aware of, but was the fact that one of these sex sessions with Prince Andrew was actually an orgy with Epstein, but also a number of young women, some of whom she seems to suggest, although she doesn't seem to know for sure, could have been underage. Do you have any idea if that is true, if that did happen? Because isn't it surprising, Andrew, that we haven't heard from? the other women?

No, I mean, I don't think it is surprising. These were young girls flown in from Russia, often not being able to speak English. There were aspirant models, often from Jean-Lieu Brunel's model agency. They will have disappeared into Russia, no one will be able to trace them. They probably can provide no evidence that they were on the island. There's no picture of them probably on the island. I mean, there may be records that Epstein kept, but, you know, it might be under false names. So I think it's very difficult to prove.

This was an allegation she made in her own self-written book of The Billionaires Playboy Club, which people criticised and said it wasn't true. I think the fact that Amy Wallace has put it in, there was a lot of due diligence and they were very, very careful for this book, that everything should be fact-checked and be verified. And so I would believe everything that's in this book. I think it's very frustrating that names haven't been given, but I mean there's some pretty clear clues to the identity of some of these men.

With the Prime Minister, she claims she was raped by a Prime Minister. Do you know who she's referring to? Yes, I do. I do. And that name has certainly been circulating on social media. Is it a British Prime Minister? No, no. Though Tony Blair was, it was connected with Epstein, and we know that from a recent revelation about the meeting he had. I mean, clearly a very close relationship between Peter Mandelson. I mean, what I can say that was that Tony Blair material was taken out of my book for legal reasons. So, you know, things are coming out literally on a daily rate. I think this

story has a long way to run. I do hope the Senate Oversight Committee gets their final member ratified. Of course, there's been a huge attempt by Trump in his administration to shut this story down. But what I've also seen since the book came out is a much more emboldened press. Victims prepared to come forward and talk. I think there were, it was 16 victims. went to talk on Capitol Hill and I think some of those will begin to talk more openly. We have Juliet Bryant's book, Blue Butterfly, coming out next month. So this story, it's going to be a tsunami of revelations. And I hope that some of these people, these perpetrators will be exposed.

But Andrew is very much on the ropes and I think if he is going to go abroad, he should find somewhere that doesn't have an extradition treaty with Britain or he will be spending time at Her Majesty's or His Majesty's pleasure. Extraordinary. There has been a complete sea change at Westminster, even over the past 24 hours, Andrew. It's fascinating how fast this is moving. I feel like I'm pretty tapped into it. And even on Friday, people were sort of accepting of the original statement and thought,

okay, maybe that will work. But no, no, no, there's been a big change. And there was a huge moment in PMQs today in the House of Commons. Now, Ed Davy, the leader of the Liberal Democrat Party, the third biggest party in the UK Parliament, raised this matter. It was very obvious that Stama didn't want to go there. Of course, for a Prime Minister to be talking about the royal family in the House of Commons. It's just not what you want to do.

It's not he has a close relationship with Charles. But what was absolutely fascinating is under huge. huge pressure, by the way, from his own backbenchers, but his own cabinet ministers as well, who really do think the government should be doing far more when it comes to removing Andrews titles. He did concede, and you'll see it here, it happens pretty fast, but he did concede that at the very least there should be an investigation into what's going on in terms of Prince Andrew and Royal Lodge. Watch this. Mr. Speaker, given the revelations about Royal Lodge,

Does the Prime Minister agree that this House needs to properly scrutinise the Crown Estate to ensure taxpayers' interests are protected? The Chancellor herself has said that the current arrangements are wrong, so will the Prime Minister support a select committee inquiry so all those involved can be called for evidence, including the current occupant? Prime Minister. Well, it's important in relation to all properties, Crown properties, that there is proper, a scrutin. I certainly support that. Massive moment.

Yes, that's very interesting. It was a very cosy arrangement that had been made. It wasn't to put onto the open market as it should have done. I mean, I've been trying to get a greater parliamentary scrutiny of the Royal Family for years, and I think we are beginning to move to that. I mean, there was a convention that you couldn't ask questions about, the royal family. And of course, that gave them the get-out-of-jail-free card. And, you know, this is an encouraging sign. I mean, there are many more things I'd like to see. You know,

I'd like to see the exemption removed from the Freedom Information Act. I'd like to see a royal register. I'd like to see the Royal Wells unsealed in future, unless it's the direct line of succession. So I agree. The Royal family is on the back foot. Things are moving at a rapid pace. And it's now drawing in the government. I think I'm sure it's constituents who are putting pressure on the MPs that they actually need to to basically make some parliamentary time. I would like a parliamentary investigation into Andrew's Times as a special trade envoy and to have the ambassadors who have not spoken, particularly those in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan where he was up to a lot of mischief and Ukraine, to have

to give evidence on oath. I mean, I think it's appalling that these people have refused themselves to talk. They wouldn't talk to me. They haven't been talking about what was going on. And I think there's still a lot of pretty damaging material on Andrew to come out. And I think if it's been seen that the British government actually was turning a blind eye to some of these activities, that is, as you say, a very big story. The other big story, of course, is that behind the scenes, there is tension between King Charles and his son, the heir to the throne, Prince William over how to deal not just with Andrew but the other wayward royals and what seems to be happening Andrew certainly my sense of this but I'm interested to know what you're hearing is that

William is increasingly winning this battle of wills and what William want is for Charles to actually go much further he does want this letter's patent and it would mean not just stripping Andrew of the Duke title, but also his ability to even call himself Prince, which is of course something that dates right back to George V, I think, in 1917. But he wants that stripped. But he also wants Beatrice and Eugenie, the two daughters, to be stripped of their princess title. But perhaps most significantly for William, given the trouble coming down the road, is he wants Harry, Megan and their two children, Archie and Lily, to also be included. Now, you can understand in a way why Charles is resisting this,

because it puts him in arguably an impossible position with his son and with his brother. But I think, Andrew, this is now an absolute necessity. I agree. And Charles has to do this now because he's losing control. Yeah, I agree. I think that your analysis is absolutely right. You know, William can see the problem. I think this would get ahead of all the problems

that are coming up up the path anyway. He doesn't, he has a much more sort of a detached view of the thing. He doesn't have clearly these sentimental attachments that Charles has. But, you know, there are embarrassing bits about both Beatrice and Eugenie. Clearly, Harry and Megan is a problem with their children. So I think that is the way to go, absolutely. I mean, William does want a streamlined monarchy, a much more European-style monarchy.

I think we're in a transitional stage. William is calling more of the shots. He's, William is look, okay, Charles is looking at his legacy. William is looking at governance. And I think Charles is accepting that William's views should now begin to prevail because we are probably moving, I would say, within the next few years to a new reign. Yeah, indeed, because I think that is one of the pieces of context,

which is missing in the mainstream media because they don't speak about Charles's health. I do. I try and do so sensitively. But of course, it's very difficult for William because he knows how close being on the throne might be. And he doesn't really want to come to the throne with all of these issues still outstanding. But look, I also want to speak about the relationships within the York family. because you're written for the Daily Mail saying some of his own family are now turning on him and there's also reporting out of America via Rob Schueter which suggests that even Sarah Ferguson

who up until this point has been completely loyal might now be trying to get away and also question marks over the daughters Beatrice and Eugenie who are facing their own criticism And, you know, I guess for a long time, Andrew, the sort of narrative in the mainstream media was, oh, we've got to feel sorry for these two daughters. Again, that seems to be changing a little bit too. And there's a suggestion that maybe they are in some way complicit. Is that unfair? That is very fair. I mean, for example, money was being passed through one of the daughters' bank accounts in these unexplained sums in the Selman-Turk High Court case.

there have been various questions about Beatrice's involvement in the Middle East, her support for Saudi banks, some of the charitable activities are now under some sort of scrutiny. And so you're absolutely right. People, the narrative that was pushed was, you know, we should feel sorry for them with innocent victims. They're not. I mean, they are very much part of the family. I think they're trying to distance themselves.

I mean, I think it was interesting that Beatrice chose to go to Sandringham last Christmas rather than spend it with her parents. It'll be interesting to see what happens this Christmas. You know, they've got their own business interests and their own charities, and I think they feel that their brand is actually being compromised by being associated with their father. I think also they're pretty shocked by some of the disclosures that are coming out. Sarah Ferguson's allegiance to Andrew was always connected with the fact he was a member of the royal family.

She could live at Royal Lodge, and this course gave her her sort of cachet, particularly business-wise. I think once those things have gone, the attractions of Andrew, shall we say, are less attractive. So I think we will see her a parting. I suspect she may go and live in Switzerland, and I think that Andrew may well disappear to somewhere like Abu Dhabi where he is a palace. So, as you say, these are rapid developments. I mean, the announcement was only on Friday, and here we, you know, there's been huge bombshells every day. Royal Lodge is a problem. I mean, he can only be put out of there if he wants to go voluntarily. He has a repairing lease. He's put up eight and a half million pounds. He will get some of that back under the terms of the lease. But, you know, he says he's an honourable man. He wants to put country and monarchy first. Well, if that's the case, then he should be vacating Royal Lodge. Why do you think he's so desperate to stay? I mean, given you've obviously revealed where he could end up, right? And it's sort of,

of a palace than the Middle East. I mean, would that not be preferable to a country where you're effectively a prisoner in your own home, albeit a very lovely home? I would have thought so. I mean, it's good weather. He could play golf. He could have his massages brought in. He would be treated royally by the other rulers there. He would have every extravagance. It would be a jet-set life. So in the way that, you know, one Carlos, after his various problems disappeared to Dubai, I think that would make a lot of sense. And in some ways, it would get around the problem if he was out of any sort of British jurisdiction. And in some ways, we'd never had to have a court case, which is clearly what he wanted with Virginia Jiffrey. So, you know, things may change.

We just don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Just two final things, Andrew, and both are extraordinary in their own way. Do you think it's now just an accepted fact that William has the right to exclude both him and I think Prince Harry are from his coronation and who makes the decision over a funeral for King Charles because is William, I mean, William will obviously be monarch at that point and he seems to now have this new bottom line that that no monarch should be pictured in public. with Andrew, but would he have a right to ban Andrew from his own brother's funeral? I mean, that feels quite extraordinary.

I don't think so. I mean, funerals are arranged, you know, by the wishes of the person who has died. Could be Charles's call. So he will set up exactly what sort of funeral he wants, a bit like he set up his own coronation, truly with advice. You know, I don't think you could stop Andrew attending his father's funeral. I mean, that would be pretty cruel. But he did be banned from the coronation?

But yes, I mean, the Duke of Winter, for example, didn't attend the coronation of the queen. So I think we would see him disappear from public life, apart from those odd occasions. And he might choose not to appear at the funeral or to have some very, very low-key role. But I think the problem with Andrew, coming back to your question, is his whole status is contingent on being a royal, on being he calls himself a prince first, then a naval officer, then a husband. And that's the last thing he can hang on to, which is why he's trying to stay in Royal Lodge, against all the advice he's been given and because of the, you know, with the negative optics. But he's a very stubborn man. I mean, and he is a very, it feels very entitled.

He feels this desire for Dwight of Surnier. He believes in the divine right of kings. And so it's going to be very hard to persuade him. I think the only way to do it is to put pressure on him through whatever is going to happen to his daughters. he's very protective of them and if he felt them somehow they would be penalised because of his behaviour he might change I think also money

because I think the great worry is that Andrew or Fergie will find some Omid Scobie figure to tell their story and they will have a lot of stories about the royal family I think Williams is prepared to take that hit but I don't think that Charles

is prepared to do that but you're absolutely right they need to clean the stables before Paul William takes over he doesn't want to inherit this mess. I think there's a lot of public support for what the sort of suggestions that you've made. Just do it. And it would get ahead of the narrative.

Just do it. It's a really quick thing, actually. You know, because there's all of these arguments that are made by people close to Stama or the past, oh, you know, we don't want to take up parliamentary time. Honestly, this could be done so quickly. It could be done so quickly if they wanted it to be done. But look, absolutely incredible book, entitled.

And I believe, Andrew, there is a new version with more bombshells, which will be on the way at some point. Yes, next summer. I've already got 60 new pages, so it will be substantially different. Amazing. Amazing. Well, look, incredible historic book. So great to have you back on Outspoken, Andrew Launey. Thank you. Thank you. And we will reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass in just one moment. First to your feedback, lots of you commenting on Mike Graeme. Graham being suspended from Talk TV, Jose Pontaz, says, I hope he leaves, as Mike was the only person there, with common sense.

Terry Edmonds says they always get rid of the best ones. I was an avid listener, but they won't even mention Ben Habib or Tommy Robinson, and now Mike Graham gone. But Avto Matt 4774 says he's obviously not telling the truth. Come on, fellas, let's be honest here. Mike should just own it. So that's very interesting. feedback, and we will be keeping on this story as the week goes on, of course.

A reminder of your union jackass nominees today, Narinda Kaur, nominated by its only Me 44 for wanting GB News shut down over their coverage of Megan Markle, Nadi Asuala nominated by Mother Clanger for her ridiculous rant about poor Palestinian men, and Jess Phillips, nominated by Sarah Booth for her hysterical response to the grooming gang's inquiry farce in the Commons yesterday. This one wasn't even close, folks, with 5% of the the vote, Nadia Sawala, the runner-up with 13% of the vote, Narenda Kaur. But today's Union Jackass with an overwhelming 82% of the vote, that is one of our biggest votes ever, Jess Phillips. And the winner on a very similar note, nominated by Lut Mann's Sammy Woodhouse, who says she continues

to fight for women and girls, despite Kirstama and Jess Phillips' attempts to sweep the rape gang inquiry under the prayer man. Okay, we've got much more over on Substack now with the uncanceled after show, much, much more on this developing royal situation with P Diner. So you can come and join us there at www. www. outspoken.org. I will be back with you, though, tomorrow 5pm UK time, midday, eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Please subscribe to our podcast, by the way, which is available on Apple podcast or Spotify,

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