Dan Wootton Outspoken - MIKE GRAHAM'S FIRST INTERVIEW SINCE BEING SACKED BY TALK TV AS HE SITS DOWN WITH DAN

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

BREAKING TODAY: After 29 days of torturous silence, Mike Graham finally speaks out for the first time since being sacked from Talk TV for a so-called “racist” Facebook post he insists he never wrote. October 20th was the last time his millions of loyal listeners and viewers saw him on air on the Rupert Murdoch station that he made a force as its top rated presenter. But after a civil war with woke presenters at Talk Sport sparked an internal investigation - where Mike refused to hand his personal phone to News UK bosses - his brutal sacking was announced live on air by his former colleague Julia Hartley Brewer. Talk’s audience has launched a boycott and many have supported Mike, while others, even those on the right, have celebrated. But today is Mike’s opportunity to get his voice back and respond. PLUS: Mike reveals his plans to go independent with a brand new morning show launching on YouTube in just two weeks. But what will happen to Plank of the Week? AND: Speaking of planks, we’ll reveal our Union Jackass. Dan will get Mike to pick his worst Briton in the world today too. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Angela Levin joins Dan in the studio for all the latest royal news, including why Meghan Markle is already in trouble in the fashion world and how Prince Harry is attempting to overshadow his brother Prince William again. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wharton. This is outspoken episode number 363. And breaking today, after 29 days of torturous silence, Mike Graham finally speaks out for the first time since being sacked from Talk TV for a so-called racist Facebook post, he insists, he never wrote. This was the last time his millions of loyal listeners and viewers saw him on air on the air on the Rupert Murdoch station, he made a force as its top-rated presenter. Welcome back to Morning Glory. It's coming up for three minutes past six. It is Monday morning, the 20th of October. We're not down. We're going. We're still going. Yeah, it's called radio. But after a civil war with woke presenters at Talk Sport sparked an internal investigation where Mike refused to hand his personal phone to News UK bosses. His brutal sacking was announced

live on air by his former colleague, Julia Hartley Brewer. News UK, the parent company of this station talk, has made the following statement. Their statement reads as follows. We were made aware of an abhorrent and vile post on Mike Graham's social platform several weeks ago. Mike Graham said this was not posted by him and he agreed to cooperate with a company investigation using an independent forensic firm. He later reneged on several opportunities to cooperate with the company investigation. We have been gravely concerned at his repeated failure to cooperate on such a serious matter and the decision has been taken that Mike Graham will not return to Talk.

Since then, Talk's audience has launched a boycott and many others have supported Mike, even though some on the right have celebrated. Hold on, Mike, what's going on? For years you've condemned me as a racist and you just lost your job. He has been sacked for his free speech and because he refused to take part in a Maoist struggle session. Mike, drunk or sober, had made the indel-advised post

and upset people with whom he shares a floor at Talk Sport. What talk don't realize is they have just given Mike the biggest start in independent media? Oh, I agree. And today is Mike's opportunity to get his voice back and respond. Also coming up on this show, Mike reveals his plans to go independent with a brand new morning show, launching on YouTube in just two weeks. But what will happen to Plank of the Week, I will ask. And speaking of Planx, we'll also reveal Al-Union Jackas will get Mike to pick his worst Britain in the world today.

Then in the uncannceded after show on Substack, Angela Levin joins me in the studio too for all the latest royal news, including why Megan Markle is already in trouble in the fashion world. And how Prince Harry is attempting to overshadow his brother, Prince William, again. You can sign up to watch over on my substack, www. outspoken.live is the address. I should tell you, by the way, who our union jackass nominees are today, because you can get voting in the live chat on YouTube right now. Let's take a look at them. Helen Weberley. God, she is an awful woman nominated by Helen O'Driscoll, who says she claims to be a doctor, but she's a fully committed trans lunatic pushing dangerous drugs to vulnerable gay and autistic children online to avoid and circumvent holistic care from ethical medical professionals. She is. the worst. Ed Davy, nominated by Sarah Booth, who says, aka Bozo the Clown, for his multiple anti-Trump pro-BBC posts and interviews on a near hourly basis. At least he's now moved on from Elon Musk. But let's see how long that lasts. As Sarah says, it should ensure payments go to

the Postmasters first. And Wes Streene, nominated by Bernie Spofforth for losing control of the NHS. So get voting now. I will read out your best comments about our Mike Graham exclusive and reveal the winner of today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass before we go. So make sure you stick with us today. But now, let's go. Mike Graham. Mike Graham. 29 days. Do you know, I didn't know it was 29 days. Has it been the longest 29 days of your life? It has. It really has. Hard. Very hard, very stressful. I have to say, when the call finally came in in week four of the sort of torture that they were putting me through, it was a relief, you know, because when you don't know, you can't really make a plan, you can't really do anything, you know, you kind of wake up with it not in the pit of your stomach, you don't really know what's happening, you know, I couldn't really concentrate on anything.

And of course, I really missed being on the air. So thank you very much for allowing me back on. This is like manner from heaven to me because it's what I do. You know, I was in my family at the weekend. And I was ranting and raving about something. And they were like, you need to get back on the radio. I'm like, shut up, dad. You know, you're not on the radio now.

But so, listen, it's been cathartic. It's been incredible. I'm going to tell you the story over the next hour and a half or so. Parts of which have not yet been revealed because, you know, the way that the story broke in the end was kind of one-sided, really. You know, I did the decent thing. I put out a statement saying, you know, I've had a great time at News UK, which I have. And I certainly don't want to enter into some kind of bitter, ridiculous war with them. But there are a couple of things that I need to straighten out.

Good. Well, look, I think what's really important, actually, Mike, is for us to go back. Yeah. And go back to the evening of Sunday, October the 19th, when your life would end up changing forever and your four-decade-long mainstream media career would be brought to an end. So you were at the Battle of Ideas. I was.

With Kevin O'Sullivan, who is your co-presenter of your independent podcast of Thought Police, but also a colleague at Talk. And the suggestion was that after that you had posted something to your Facebook page. But can you just explain to me? Because you know a lot of people, Mike, have been saying, oh, come on, Mike. You just got hammered at the Battle of Ideas.

You know, you were on the white. Like, what actually? did happen that day. Yeah. Well, we did the show. We went for a couple of drinks afterwards and I went home, you know, very early at sort of five or six o'clock, you know. And so I've already said that I didn't post it. I've already made that statement when I was asked to make it actually by news on the following day. And I didn't see the post at all because I don't generally use Facebook an awful lot. And this is the post. This is the post in case people didn't see it. Okay. Compare and contrast. Tell me where.

not fucked by multicultural bollocks, why are we surrounded by non-white people just fuck off? So you had no idea that that post had been made on your Facebook? I had no idea. Until when? Until the next morning when I was live on the show

and I started getting a couple of messages from people saying, have you seen this? And I had a quick look at it. And you know what it's like when you're, it's like somebody saying to you while you're on the show, can you just check this out? So, you know, went to an advert break, had a look and went cracky, I don't know what that is. and just deleted it immediately

and really didn't think any more of it because it was the middle of it was about 7 o'clock in the morning or something like that and finished the show and went home basically thinking that that would be the end of it because I thought I didn't even really look at when it was posted, I didn't really understand why it was there, I certainly didn't recognize

the picture, there were two pictures, didn't recognize the train picture and I just thought something very weird has gone on and I knew that in the past people had said to me they've had their Facebook accounts accessed and so you know and Russell Quirk said a week before this post your phone had been stolen is that true no that's not true not my phone my phone was stolen

the previous year in September of 24 uh what had happened though to me was that the the back window of my car had been smashed in while it was parked in an nCP car park around the back of london bridge around the back of guys hospital which i thought was a bit unusual because It was not least because they didn't take anything. They took an old jacket, which was in the back of the car. There was a case of wine, and I realized that not everybody's a connoisseur of these things, you know, so maybe they didn't want the wine. Or you'd think they would have taken like one bottle of it or something,

but they just smashed the back window and took this old jacket, which I've literally had since about the 1980s, which I used to keep there, because I would put it on if it was really cold at the beach when I was walking the dog. And I thought that was curious, and I mentioned it to a couple of people at news, and they didn't seem to be that bothered, you know? Because I'm just trying to understand, is it possible that this was part of a campaign against you? I mean, if you look at this post from Charlotte Gill,

you know, the brilliant right-wing commentator online, and she said, Mike Graham does not speak like this. Also, this account below, using the article as some sort of proof Mike did it, is a far-left account. And the hacker absolutely could have used the picture. Mike just posted on Twitter moments. beforehand, people do get hacked.

So she seems to be suggesting, Mike, Charlotte Gill, that this could have been a hard-lift campaign to get you cancelled. Do you think there's any truth to that? I think there are plenty of people out there who really don't like what I do. I was one of the only people who was consistently, every single day, sticking it to Kirstama and this useless Labor government, as they are being proved to be with every day that gets closer to Christmas. You know, I was the first person to say back in summer of last year that he won't last the pace.

He won't go all the way to 2027 or 29 even. And it looks that that's going to turn out to be true because it looks like Rachel Reeves is going to fall, he's going to fall. So there were, you know, I mean, I've asked myself if there's some kind of involvement politically. I mean, I just don't know. But, I mean, certainly there are plenty of left wingers who absolutely hate my guts, you know. And we'll talk more about them. Have you had any league? like any idea of who might have wanted to do this to see you cancel?

Not really, because it could be, it's literally anybody. I mean, look at what's happened today, for example. There's been a massive sort of internet outage, which took half of the internet down. You know, there was another one just a few weeks ago. I mean, clearly, you know, I've had a lot of people saying, oh, of course you weren't hacked. You know, if you were, you'd be able to prove it. Oh, really?

Well, you can't prove who hacked Jaguar Land Rover. You don't know who hacked anyone. You mean, they don't necessarily leave a footprint these people, you know? So what about the people who say, Mike, okay, you forgot that you had posted that. Is it possible, and you know I have to ask the question, is it possible that you had had a few drinks the night before and you just forgot that you made that post? Is there any possibility of that? Absolutely no chance. Because that was something I believe some of your colleagues wanted you to do, sort of hold your hands up and say, look, you know, you know,

this was a mistake and I was drinking too much and you were very offended by that absolutely because I've been in these kinds of situations before you know there was a big to do with James O'Brien who tried to sue me yes once when I called him a pido apologist right but you didn't realize it wasn't a comma between the two words so in fact you know there was no case to answer but obviously you know it caused a bit of a fury because it was it was trending on you know Twitter for like an entire weekend and millions and millions of people joined in. And of course, at that point, you realize, you know, the people who like James O'Brien are going to pile in

and the people who like me are going to defend me. And there's been a couple of the earlier episodes as well with Liverpool Football Club, with Celtic, you know. And I'd always held my hands up and gone, look, you know, I made a mistake. Sorry. So if you posted this, you would have admitted that you posted it. Yeah, of course. And you don't agree with the sentiments of the post.

No, I don't actually. I mean, a lot of people said, why don't you just, you know, it wasn't that bad anymore. Why don't you just admit it? Why don't you just embrace it? Well, I would if I had done it, but I can't. Because for example, Father Calvin Robinson came on this show and said he didn't think there was anything wrong with the post.

He didn't think that the post was abhorrent. And he does believe that as a white English native, you do have a right to discuss why you are a minority in the biggest city in the country. To be honest, I've said an awful lot of things similar to that on the air. And nobody's ever objected to it. You know, I've talked about areas of London which you don't see any white people in, you know, when you go to Tower Hamlets, for example. We know about what happened in Birmingham with Aston Villa and the Maccabee Tel Aviv fans who were told, we can't guarantee your safety in a city like Birmingham because there's so many Muslims in there who don't like Jews. You know, you know, this has been an ongoing conversation that we've been having.

So if you had posted it, you would have held your hands up and said, yep, this is something I believe. bring it on. Okay, so then that Monday morning, you still broadcast, so you go through the whole four hours, and this is just what happened on that day. Welcome back to Morning Glory. It's coming up to three minutes past six. It is Monday morning, the 20th

of October. We're not down. We're going. We're still going. Yeah, it's called radio. You know, wind it up. And you come off air, my and post on X. On Sunday night, my Facebook was accessed and a vial message was posted on my page without my knowledge. It contained words that I would never write and an opinion I don't share. As soon as I found out, I immediately deleted the post and have taken steps to ensure my cybersecurity is enhanced. Obviously, I am mortified that such a post could have gone out in my name

and am now attempting to find out how it could have happened. I am equally very sorry for the distress it has caused to anyone. Did you write that or did someone make you write that? I wrote it, but it was an agreed kind of, you know, tone, shall we say. Sort of the hostage video apology. We've all been there, Mike. I've been there. Yeah, no, I mean, I was asked to do it on the basis, and I posted it on Facebook as well. I was asked to do it because that was thought at the time would sort of take the heat out of it, right?

Which is what people always say, and it never does. It didn't. It never helps. It really didn't. It makes it worse, actually, because what maybe you didn't know at the time, although I'm interested to find out, there had been this campaign with talk sport. Now, a lot of people might think, I mean, you were a star of talk sport, right? And talk sport used to be an anti-woke station.

But in recent years under the ownership of News UK, talk sport, and I remember, by the way, when I was at talk in 2020, you know, our two stations went completely the different opposite, completely in the opposite directions over the whole Black Lives Matter thing. We were speaking out against the madness on talk radio at the time, on talk sport, they were going mad. Sorry, and I was going to say,

and we were saying how ridiculous it was to take the knee, and they were celebrating it. They loved it. They loved it. And there's a guy, there's a presenter there, black presenter called Aid Aladipo, and he had been part of the Civil War, and for a long time,

talk sport presenters and staff had been unhappy with your broadcasting on talk and so he used this as an opportunity and posted on X just being sent that now deleted Instagram posts from Mike Graham because I think it did go up on Instagram as well I usually hold my tongue

with most of the racist nonsense I see on social media but this is beyond vile and unacceptable and then in uppercase from someone in the same building as me, same floor he simply has to be taken off

the air immediately by Talk TV, horrible man. And of course, they did exactly what he wanted. I mean, you were immediately taken off air, and I believe it was this post on X, which started the ball rolling on that. Is that correct? That's absolutely right, yeah. So who is this guy? I have no idea who he is. I've never met him. I've never seen him. And I find it quite upsetting, actually, and quite honestly, incredibly difficult to believe that there is this kind of underbelly of people at TalkSport who hate me, you know, because you know what that floor is like. I walked in every single morning at just before 5 o'clock

and I would say good morning to everybody. I never got the sense that people didn't like me. I didn't get the sense that there was any kind of, you know, I don't know, people, you know, people shrinking away from not looking at me or not, you know, being happy to see me. You know, I mean, we had a pretty good working relationship. I never encountered...

But this has been brief from TalkSport. I mean, let me just read you the Expressers reporting on this. they actually described it as a civil war, Mike. And this was a source from Talksport after that post had gone up saying it's like Civil War has broken out on the shop floor. What the public don't understand is that Talk Sport and Talk Radio are very different channels in the same building on the same floor. At Sport, we have people of all different colours working alongside each other peacefully. We're one big happy team and the bosses at News UK know that. But at Talk Radio, their agenda and output is highly charged to make migrants and migrants.

minorities feel like the enemy, the fact that Mike Graham can post some of the trash he does normally, and nobody in senior management has told him off before is a disgrace, but his Facebook post is the final straw. So that was someone from Talk Sport briefing the express newspaper. Look at how they described talk there. It makes it sound as if it's some kind of white supremacist organisation. I mean, we had a very mixed group of people there. I mean, yes, on air there weren't that many members of the ethnic minorities. There had been. But, you know, We've been plenty of guests who are, you know, not white. We've got plenty of people working behind the scenes who are not white.

And they were all very happy to do so. It wasn't, you know, it was not like that. And so I think there's somebody at Talksport there with an agenda, maybe, speaking for a very small number of people. But as far as you were aware, you didn't have any personal beef with any of the talk about. Had they ever approached you? Not once. In fact, quite the opposite. I mean, I got on very well with all of them.

You know, there was always, you know, because you'd say. see them by the coffee machine or you'd see them on the way out or you know you'd sometimes even I'd be out for drinks people would have leaving dues you know there was never a sense so you had no idea that this was going on absolutely none then in terms of the actual logistics of the post might a couple of uh lefties went viral and I just wanted to get you to to respond because I think it's an important part of the story so Henry Morris posted impressive that the hacker used the picture you'll just posted on Twitter moments beforehand and someone called Matthew Leggett said they must have also accessed your phone and iCloud since the two images

of Churchill and Big Ben are different and were snapped seconds apart. Do you know what the answer is to that? Did they access that as well? One of the things I'll describe later probably is that one of the first things I did was I got in touch with a cyber security. No, tell me now. Tell me no. Okay. Yeah. So I got in touch with a cyber security guy because I thought, well, if I've been hacked, I need to know what that means. I need to know exactly what happens next. and what I do. And we get into the picture, but he basically said to me,

he said, you're a very high-risk individual. He said, you've got a very high profile, you've got a public platform, you say controversial things, your sort of internet access, your phones, your iPads,

all of your devices should have been protected to the max. And they were. And they were not. And he was astonished. He said, I can't believe that, you know, that the company would let you walk around

with a phone. So you were sitting down. yeah I didn't have any two-factor identification I didn't even know about that I didn't know how to get any kind of I mean he he for me brought in a sort of anti-malware piece of software and put it on everything I had and he said I can't believe you haven't got this he said how have you not got this and I'm like well I just never really thought about it you know it's not something I'm not technically particularly savvy I mean I can just about you know now that I'm in the in the substack world I still can't even work out how

to get onto my own substack and do anything. Do you know what I mean? I'm like kind of like, you know, an idiot when it comes to that stuff. I know how to tweet. I know how to put things on Facebook, but I didn't know about all this two-step stuff. And did they say to you, we think you've been hacked, the cyber security experience? Yes. And then how were you told, Mike, you're not going on air tomorrow morning and we want you to provide

us with your phone. How were you told that was happening? So I was asked to go to a meeting on the Tuesday. with the head of HR. Knowing that you weren't going to be on air that day? No. Oh, sorry, yes. I guess, yeah, I guess so I'd been told on the Monday, you know, I don't think it's,

the words were, we don't think it's good idea to put you on the air tomorrow. It's just temporary. Yeah. And I'd said, fine. Okay, I understand. And then I was asked to go into a meeting on the Tuesday at which a whole bunch of things happened, which, again, I'll get into. And I was told, you're not suspicious.

ended but we want you to take some leave effectively and I said well how long do you think and they said about a week something like that and then they asked to look at my phone which I let them do you know because this is the other part about me saying that you know it's wrong for them to say that I didn't cooperate with the investigation because I did so you handed your phone over to the HL representative in that meeting no I let them look at it while we were sitting there they went into my Facebook activity log saw that there was nothing there looked at my picture logs saw that picture from the tube train wasn't there. And that was the end of that.

So you didn't even take that picture on the tube? No. And you don't remember being in that carriage or anything like that? Well, I did take the tube that night. I take the tube home because it's the quickest way to get home. Yeah, but that particular picture, there's no evidence that you ever took that picture. It's not on your phone. No.

It's not. Okay. Fascinating. No. Fascinating. Because, again, I'll tell you what we later did. But so at that point, they said we might want to look at your phone

more forensically. And again, I didn't really understand what that meant. And I said, what does that mean? And they said, well, we'd like to take your phone and your iPad overnight. And we'll give you another phone so that you've still got a phone. And I said, well, why would you want to do that?

And they said, well, because we need it to mirror it to basically take a copy of everything that's on the phone so that we can investigate further so that we can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that, you know, that what you say happened actually happened? And I said, well, what if you can't prove that? Because it might not be possible. Some things are not provable. And so I just said, look, I don't feel very comfortable about that. I don't feel very comfortable about handing my phone to you because I also wanted to

give it to their lawyers. And this is your personal phone. It's not a company phone. It's not a company phone. It's my personal phone. It's my personal iPad. And you also use it for all your journalism? Yeah, for everything. I mean, I've, I've, I mean, when I looked back at what I had in my phone, I mean, I think I got my first iPhone in 2004. There are pictures on there from 2004, pieces of my kids, pictures of my dog, you know, all sorts of stuff. There's all kinds of communications. I had 303,000 WhatsApp messages. And that includes my belief, based on previous discussions with you, that includes journalistic source-protected information.

Also, people's phone numbers, conversations that I've had. emails that may have been sent between us, you know. I mean, because the reason I'm making that point, of course, is that some folk may not realize, but obviously News UK has a track record in the past of having handed over confidential sourcing to the police. Yeah. So was that part of your concern?

Well, I was, at that particular moment, it wasn't, but it became part of my concern as we went on. Because initially I was just a bit shocked that, you know, I was in shock anyway. You know, I was kind of going, well, why would you want my phone overnight? I've just shown it to you. I've just shown you there's nothing on there.

And it turns out, again, because I spoke to my internet expert, and he said, well, because they're probably looking to see if you deleted it, because if you deleted anything, it would show that you deleted it. And I went, okay. So then we had a conversation around, well, how can we make this work for everybody, so that everybody's happy? And because I'd said, I don't really think I want to give you my phone unconditionally, you know is there not some other way we can do it

and so then asked me to come back in for another meeting on the Wednesday and this was this time with a member of the cyber security team who also went through my phone and didn't find it right and then gave me some information about how I could protect myself and I was kind of like it's a bit late really isn't it but thank you very much indeed so that was Wednesday and then by Thursday they'd come up with another plan which was to have me sign a document which said,

we'll take your phone overnight and your iPad, we'll give you another phone, and we'll mirror it, but we won't look at the bits we don't need to look at. And I kind of went, okay, well, that's fine, but how do I know that I can take your word for that? Because in the end, you'll have my entire phone. You didn't trust them?

Well, I thought it was a bit of a risk. Let's put it that way, you know? Because frankly, I guess, I was about to say between you and I, because this feels very cozy, but of course, it's between you and I and a couple of millions of thousands of others. Thank you for watching, by the way. I thought, you know, at the very least, there is some information in my phone that if the company that I worked for saw what it was,

and I'm talking about confidential conversations with people that they might not like very much, they'd probably fire me anyway. That was kind of in my head, you know? Yeah. And just also on the whole principle of overreach and privacy, even if you weren't talking about confidential sources, if you weren't talking about, you know, private pictures or, you know, videos that you might have, any of that stuff.

Or, you know, my entire sort of, I don't know, internet history, which I'm sure they could probably get off it as well. So I said, look, if you don't mind, I'd still feel a bit uncomfortable. I think I might take some advice on this because you're saying that you're going to give it to lawyers so maybe I should talk to a lawyer and so that's what I did

and they said hell no don't be so ridiculous my Graham yeah do not even think about it they said there's absolutely no and these are heavy hitting lawyers very heavy hissing lawyers there's no reason why they should be asking for it you've already shown them the phone and in fact we sent eventually when

the first lawyers sort of email went it said, you know, when you looked at Mike's phone in the office, that should have been the end of the matter, quite frankly. So it was clearly, the problem clearly was that they were in a bad place because the people that had complained, obviously, have a lot of power inside the organisation. I think this is part of the problem with these huge media companies now because they've got so many strands, they've got so many pieces to the jigsaw, you know, they've got the Wall Street Journal, they've got Harper Collins,

They've got, you know. The woke mind virus and infiltrated the company. Yes, exactly. And so, I mean, for example, many people don't know this, but in years gone by, I mean, by the way, during lockdown, half a Colin staff gone for about 18 months and I saw them. I was going in every day, you know. Sometimes I was only person in the office, you know. When they came back, they asked for my show not to be broadcast in the lift because it was so upset. I mean, I'm not joking.

I mean, this is nothing against news, by the way. I'm just describing the work atmosphere. This is the culture. This is the culture. By the way, Mike, lots of people are asking if we are live. We are live right now. This is broadcasting live right now. And I think what's really important is that our audience get to ask some questions to the outspoken audience.

And on that note, Mike, Ken Reed asks, why did you refuse to cooperate with the talk investigation? Well, that's not an easy question to answer because one, I didn't refuse to cooperate. but I will tell you over the course of the next hour exactly where it all went, you know. And I think as soon as I enlisted the help of some lawyers, I think they took a different view and decided that we were now kind of, you know, their tone at war. Yeah, I mean, their tone was always quite firm, but it sort of started to become slightly less friendly, shall we say, you know.

And they kept moving to goalposts as well. So, you know, we basically tried to find a way, that I would be happy with showing them stuff and that they would be happy with seeing stuff. This has been a bit of a briefing more too because it's only fair that you are able to respond to what News UK briefed about you again to the Daily Express,

which they headline the bombshell real reason. Mike Graham was asked from Talk TV. And this was a source at News UK telling the Daily Express, Mike Graham had to go. He claimed that his phone had been hacked, but everyone was skeptical of that explanation. He claimed that someone had hacked his Facebook account,

but also hacked his iCloud and posted the offensive statement. News UK bosses gave him the benefit of the doubt and told him that they would allow Mike and his legal representative to stand in a room with two forensic phone experts who would be able to go through his phone and figure out if he was actually hacked, who hacked the phone and what else they accessed. While Mike initially agreed to submitting his phone,

He didn't turn up on the agreed date and time. So News UK gave him another date. And again, Mike did not turn up. This happened four times. Four times he refused to hand over his phone. So News UK took the decision to end their working relationship with him. Is that true? Well, do you know what's interesting about that?

It's partially true, but sort of a slight misrepresentation of what happened. But how would they know how many meetings there were? You know, these are conversations that were only going on between my lawyers, their lawyers, and me. Well, I would say this was clearly brief. I mean, I know how these things were. This was clearly brief from the top and used UK. They wanted their side out there.

Right, which is pretty unfortunate really because I think that was probably rather unfair because, again, to go through the whole kind of process, so on the following, so we're now at the following Monday, which would be the 27th, I guess. So you've been off here for four days at this point. So I've now been off air for four days. People are starting to wonder at this point. And not getting paid, by the way, right? So what, they stopped your pay the moment they took you off?

Well, I only get paid per show. Okay. So when I'm not working, I don't get paid, you know. So, and I'm starting to wonder where this is all going, you know. So they said, so when we met back to them and said, look, we're not comfortable handing the phone over to news UK lawyers, right? Because that was the law firm they wanted to give it to. We said, could we not agree on a sort of mutually independent person who could look at the phone? Would that be possible?

and after a bit of toing and throwing they agreed that that would be possible so my side gave them five possible companies that they could use and they rejected all of them all of them yeah and we're going and my lawyers who are very good were saying this is

outrageous you know how can they reject all five of them out of hand and instead they came up with yet another one that they wanted to appoint who my cyber guy said we've never heard of this guy we don't know who he is and we're not sure what qualification he has

and in fact my lawyers at one point said you know the fact that he's possibly unqualified to look at this so you didn't trust the process but by this time we're asking questions about the process right and so again they said we're going to need your

your iPad and we're going to need your phone and we're going to need it for approximately nine hours and there was no suggestion that I would be able to stand there and watch them you know because that would be a much shorter process because I later learned that in order to do this mirroring thing, you need a particular piece of software.

It takes a little while to download the whole phone. And you have to basically go through every single thing that's connected. And so there was no question, obviously, of me standing around watching them for four or five hours. And you just weren't prepared to do it. Well, until I was happy that they were only looking at certain things. And so I then decided maybe the best thing to do is for me, to order a forensic investigation with an independent firm

and see what they find right and so we got we went ahead with that took a couple of days and then we told them that we'd done that and we said you know would you be interested in having

us send you the report that we have gleaned which I've paid for through a company that I had no connection with whatsoever you know completely independent very well respected and they kind of said well you know

we'll obviously be interested in any kind of information that you may wish to add but we still want your phone you know it kept going back to it we still want your phone and yes they did then they again every time we'd go into a weekend and because sometimes there'd be a couple of days before we'd get a reply you know which was part

of the real drama of it because you know I'd be sitting there going to my lawyers what you know why they're not answering us what are they doing it? It had become very much lawyers talking to lawyers and you know what that can be like

you know they've got this kind of you know big swinging dick and at this point had you sort of accepted I'm probably not going back not quite because I wasn't absolutely sure it was very clear that they were in turmoil

because obviously there were people in the building who didn't want me to go whereas there were also people in the building who did for all sorts of reasons you know and maybe not this one so it ceased to be coming about the post in the end and it more became about how are we going to get out of this

with any kind of credibility at all and it started to occur to me that they can't get out of it without getting rid of me because if they bring me back you know what's going to happen they're going to be watching me like a hawk they might say you can't be quite as outrageous as you used to be you might we're able to clip your wings a little bit we might make sure that you don't go banging on about it migrants all the time you know because we've been doing migrants before anybody

you know as it were we were talking about how ridiculous it was before anybody and you know when you went to gb news obviously gb news you know picked up that you know our kind of model talk right through 2020 we were doing it first without any doubt and and you know suddenly there was there was jb news as well which we actually welcomed even though some of us weren't that happy that some people went i mean we understood obviously when you know nobody was unhappy that you went because we thought well you're the star so you know there were some other people who went that we weren't quite so happy about anyway um i have to get out a habit of saying we don't i you do it's hard it's hard i found that for a long time mike because this is talking to a producer

earlier and i and i said oh because they were asking about how it worked in terms of just the studio setup and everything and i went well you know we didn't you know it's like it's going to stop saying we. It's sad. It's sad. Look, I think one of the reasons why people are so genuinely upset and you know what a reaction this has had is because I always say to people, look, if you'd cut Mike Graham open, he would have bled talk TV. And it was a bit of the same with me at G.B. News. You know, you would have cut me open. I would have led G.B. News. We were very passionate. We were a big part of those companies becoming what they were. And so you like to think that you're going to get some sort of loyalty back. But of course, that isn't how the corporate media

works and you've realized that the hard way. Yeah, I have. Absolutely. And so things break down and you end up getting a phone call from a senior executive at News UK and by this point the news is not good. Well actually we sort of had to prompt them into it though because

in the sort of weeks I guess week three we're in now. Because you were like what? Just do it. Well, I was at the point where I'm saying to my lawyers, you know what's going on here? You know, surely they must have decided what they want to do. Surely they must know if they don't believe me which is going to be a shame

because I would have hoped that there was some level of trust you know then they need to say so so so what happened was I think we had sent them an email on the Thursday of week three again still trying to because we'd sent them the report from the forensics by then which by the way found no evidence of the post at all really and which also found no evidence of the picture

ever being in my cash. So this is your own independent report, but it wasn't commissioned, well, it was commissioned by you, but it wasn't conducted by anyone connected to you, an independent investigation. Independent investigation. I mean, I can't remember the name of firm,

but I've got it out of church. So it didn't say that you'd been hacked, but it said there's no evidence of the post having been made, and there's no evidence of the picture being on your phone, the picture from the tube. Yes, and no evidence of either of them being deleted either. I, you know, I didn't have them,

so they were never there. So you hoped that that might change news, UK's mind but it didn't. Well I thought it gave them an opportunity because in my view I was kind of trying to see whether I could help them out by giving them a reason because they could have said at that point look we've seen this independent report

we're satisfied that you know Mike certainly didn't do it and so we're going to reinstate him and most of our emails at that point were saying to them when are you going to reinstate Mike because you know it seems as though you don't have any evidence that he did it so when did you find out that wasn't going to happen

well so again so we get to Thursday And I think, again, having waited a couple of days to hear nothing at all, my lawyer sent them an email saying, look, we need to know why you're not reinstating Mike. Have you got a reason? Because it's now week three. He's losing a significant amount of money. He's under enormous stress, you know, independently, bizarrely. Reputation being destroyed. My reputation's under threat.

Independently, by the way, I was also, because I have a cardiologist who looks after me, even though people always tell me that you have, you have. fat heart attack waiting to happen. I'm actually quite healthy. And so I had in the middle of all of this, I had to go in and give some blood so they could test it, right? And then I had to go and see the cardiologist. And I actually had to take a call for my lawyer in the cardiologist. And I was going, I'm a bit stressed out.

And he was cool. And he said, well, actually, your blood's fine. You've got absolutely no problems. Your heart's fine. Blood pressure might be a bit high, but there's a reason for that. And I said at one point in initial conversations with them that I was, you know, in the care of a cardiologist. and at one point one of the emails said

we've got no intention of causing you any stress I was like really okay then so we basically sent him a note on the Thursday to say look can you please give us an explanation as to why this is taking so long and why you're not reinstating Mike and if you're not could you tell us why Friday came and went

nothing I had the worst weekend I think of my life I was down in Sussex with my family and I was just bereft I was just like what you know what's going on you know I can't afford not to work I mean you know they would pay me very well and as I say

I wasn't expecting to be off for that length of time and people were saying to me you've never been off this long from talk in your life because I used to kind of bulk at going on a holiday for 10 days I used to my family can we not go for two weeks? I'm like no I need to be back on the air right? You loved what you did and let's face it it's not you know

cracking rocks in the hot sun you know I mean it's actually very enjoyable and you know it's not easy to do but you know you and I you loved your audience yeah and I felt a duty to that actually because one of the things that's really cheered me during this whole episode has been the people who remember what I did during lockdown who remember how I got them through who say you know if it hadn't been for you Mike I think I'd have gone mad that with you and they are still with you and they are furious with talk which obviously we'll come to so that weekend passes and then you get the phone

call no no so Monday then comes and goes nothing right Tuesday comes and goes. We get to four o'clock Tuesday. Still nothing, right, from Thursday. Not an answer. And I'm thinking, are they just going to stall me out until I have to resign or something like that? And that was suggested to me by some couple of people.

So my lawyer rang me and he said, I think I'm just going to ring them up. He said, because they were getting fed up. He's like, I'm fed up with this. I'm just going to call them. And I'm going to ask them what's going on. And so as a result of that call, he was then told, we're going to decide.

in the next 24 hours. So the Tuesday was kind of like an interesting night because at that point I thought oh well maybe they haven't decided yet then. So maybe it was like a sort of the cruelest cruelest twist of all really because it sort of gave me a thought that well maybe

maybe there is a way back. Oh I've been there and I'm thinking but then you start doing all this other sort of mental gymnastics where you're going well do I really want to go back now and what would it be like and now that I've read this stuff in the Express about how they all hate me and talk sport and I have to Do you have to go through Virgin now, who are also on the same floor, who also loved me?

You know, Chris Evans had become a good friend, you know, and he's been terrific to me. And I remember he came up to me once when I used to do the mid-morning show, and I'd never really spoken to him. And he went, you're really good at this, aren't you? And I said, what? He went, radio. And I was going, you're Chris Evans. What do you mean? I'm good at it.

I said, you're pretty good at it, too. but he was always really supportive you know so then I got the call around about 11 o'clock on Wednesday saying saying we decided we're not having you back and by the way funnily enough

I know that you keep saying I've been sacked and you would assume that's correct my lawyer said I haven't been sacked they say that I've not been brought back which is slightly different I mean I don't really care but technically speaking because you were not on a staff contract

well no I wasn't a staff contract I was on a contract of service, you know. Which they can end. Which had already ended, funnily enough, because one of the things that they're not great at is renewing contracts. They always got about to do it, and they were talking about doing it, but it hadn't actually happened.

So it meant you can leave without them even paying you out? Yeah, but I mean, the contract is assumed to continue on the same terms, as long as you keep working, and they keep paying you. So you get that call at 11 o'clock, and then literally within an hour, the news is announced and actually just just pause this is how the news was announced

on talk welcome back to the show this is talk we are the Home of Common Sense it's two minutes past 12 we are going to go straight to P&Q's just a few moments but as you will have heard in the news that News UK the parent company of this station

talk has made the following statement their statement reads as follows we were made aware of an abhorrent and vile post on Mike Graham's social platform several weeks ago, Mike Graham said this was not posted by him and he agreed to cooperate with a company investigation using an independent forensic firm.

He later reneged on several opportunities to cooperate with the company investigation. We have been gravely concerned at his repeated failure to cooperate on such a serious matter and the decision has been taken that Mike Graham will not return to talk. I'm afraid that is as much as I can say on that matter. I know that is going to cause a lot of upset and a lot of concern for a lot of our audience.

You've been with us for a very, very long time. But that is the official statement from the parent company of talk. And that is where we are at in terms of Mike Graham, who will not be returning to this station. Let me introduce you to my guests in the studio. Claire Pistel is a former... How did that feel? It wasn't great.

Surreal? A bit North Korean, I thought. Yeah. But listen, I don't... What cold, is that what you mean? Yeah. I thought the statement that the company put out was a bit cold. And people that don't even know what my relationship is with the company said,

that was cold, man. You know? It didn't even thank me for what I'd... done i mean you know listen i'm not a baby i'm not i don't need patting on the head but you know i think if it had been me in the studio i might have said something like you know really sorry to see might go obviously not talking about myself but you know um you know we worked together for a long time and we wish him well or something like that but you know i also get that sometimes the old three-lined whip comes down and goes look you can't do any of that i mean you and

Julia Hartley-Bruer had obviously been talk. Yeah, totally. You know, talk radio for a long time. We really were. Very, very close colleagues, friends as well, would you say? Totally, yeah. So what's the status now? Because I believe it's been a bit difficult over the past few weeks.

Well, to be honest, I mean, I don't really want to get into individuals there because I think, you know, I've got some great friends there and I've got some other people who I don't know quite so well. And I have no problem with the way that they're having to deal with it because it must be awful for them as well, you know. And so I don't expect, you know, constant mentions or anything like that. I get that, you know, because I know the way the company works. You know, when you're gone, you're gone. So we'll be okay, I think. There's been quite a lot of feedback on this, though, Mike, including from outspoken viewers. Chris Stokes, for example, said, why do you think Gary Lineke's fellow presenters stood with him

when he was suspended from match of the day and refused to go on Air Forcey, climb down from the BBC, but Jeremy Kyle and Kevin O'Sullivan's seen happy to step badly into Mike's shoes and not back him. Reform UK grassroots posted, it would be great if Mike Graham's colleagues at Talk TV stood by his side and threatened to quit if he wasn't reinstated. You all know who you are. The alternative is all your viewers and listeners switch to GB News. Either way, you'll have to lose your jobs, your call. So, I mean, this is not coming from me. I know a lot of these people are great people, but aren't we quite bad on the right, Mike,

in terms of actually sometimes standing up for each other? Yeah. Again, I can't fault any of them for what they didn't do, if you know what I mean, you know? You're not angry. You're not upset. Not at all. And I'm not angry even at News UK,

and I want to make that very clear. You know, I'm not trying to, you know, expose them for anything like that. And I'm not trying to, I don't want to take anything out on my former, you know, colleagues because you think they were in a very difficult position of course they were and they're and they're and they're and they're and they're and they're and they're and they're and they're I've got longstanding friendships in that business in that building with people which is never which

you never going to change you know it will be difficult for them for a while because they'll probably be told for God's sake don't be seen with Mike Graham you know don't go anywhere near him you know and I and I get that you know I'm a big boy you know we've all been around for a long time you mean you've had your own slings and arrows right um you can be disappointed sometimes with people but by and large you know they've all been pretty supportive you know away from the screen and at the beginning so they're in contact with you privately yeah many of them are yeah yeah not absolutely all but i would say that i don't want to get them in trouble you know yeah um but we'll be we'll be okay i mean on as island uh has asked is jeremy kyle

still joining you on your public speaking to her next year do you still talk of course absolutely he's a good friend of mine because you had to postpone we did that day yeah because I mean it was just right in the middle of it all you know and it was just probably the wrong time I mean I had in my sort of madder moments I thought this could be brilliant you know imagine me going out on the stage and going I came here on the tube tonight um crowded you know but I thought now it's really probably the best thing not to do that and I think it would have been difficult for Jeremy as well given that you know I was currently But again, they told me more than once you're not suspended.

Yeah. Right? And I'm going, okay, then, well, and at one point our lawyers said, my lawyers said, well, if he's not suspended, would you mind giving him some money then to get him through this rather difficult period, you know? Because they didn't come cheap either. How difficult was it for you watching the breakfast show, Morning Glory, go on with Jeremy and Kevin, or would you actually be happier that it's your buddies? who are taking on the show.

To be honest, but I didn't watch it. I couldn't. I mean, I would occasionally see a clip on Twitter. Just too painful. Well, I just,

I couldn't. I mean, I think I listened to talk for the first time today when I was driving up here, you know? I just couldn't watch it. Because it's like my baby,

you know? And I, you know, and also, there's been so much news. You know, bloody Shibada Mahmood today. You're like,

day. Let me at her. Let me add her. And all the killing you mentioned it several times with that poor guy, the dog walker up bridge. Wayne Broadhurst, yeah. Because you've been off air for all of that. Yeah, I've missed all of this stuff and it's like that's what I do. I'm going, you know, how can I not? So I can't really listen to anybody else doing it. I used to listen to, I've had classic FM on

all the time because it was quite soothing for one. And do you know the only thing I watched? What? It was this show. Brilliant. That's all you need. Yeah. That's all you need, Mike. But honestly, I'm going to say this. I'll say it now. in case i forget you know you gave me an awful lot of strength because you were sitting here saying mike just come on over here 100% come and you know test the water the water's nice the water's great and people were starting to say that to me i mean i mean it i'm not just saying that

i'm not just saying that but and by the way i also understand how difficult it is for the presenters at talk because i always understood how difficult it was for the presenters at gb news and by the way people who say oh you're you're just being bitter no no no no i never ever when i when what happened to me happened at GV News, I never ever said that anyone should speak out publicly for me because I didn't want people to lose their jobs. I understand. I totally get it.

I do wish that on the right, however you call it, whatever outside of the freedom movement, whatever it is, the conservative movement, I just wish we, not just fellow employees, I just wish we all stood up for each other a bit more. I mean, I saw it happen the other day. There was a witch hunt against Christian Calgi of the Express. No one said a damn thing.

including all of his friends. I did because I just sometimes think we don't stand up for one another. And he was another one who apologized and it didn't make it any better. Exactly. Hostage video apology and that absolute lunatic Zara Sultana just doubles down.

Homs are useless doubles down. See, he's even more horrible. He's just apologised. What do you want him to do? Go and chuck himself off a bridge. Sometimes it honestly feels in these situations, Mike, they won't be happy until you're dead. Did you feel that sometimes?

I felt really low. I don't think I've ever felt as low in my life. You know, and I've been through some pretty bad stuff. I've got divorced, you know. I've had my mother died, which was pretty upsetting, you know, relatively recently, yeah. You know, I've had things. I had a business in New York. I was broken into three times in a week, you know.

But this was the worst you'd felt in your life. Definitely. Absolutely. And it was the most stress, I think, because I don't feel stress like other people do. You know, I don't get stressed out doing this. People get nervous sometimes when they do live shows. I don't, it doesn't bother me. This was awful.

Yeah. Really awful. It's, it, look, cancellation. Actually, Jordan Peterson, yeah, said that cancellation, the only thing worse than cancellation is a terminal illness. Because the thing about cancellations, it touches on all aspects of your life, your work, your family, your friendships. And I totally agree with him on that. One person did speak out, though, at talk.

He felt that it was his moral obligation to do so. I personally really hope that he's not cancelled as a result of it because I think he's a great guy. It's Russell Quirk. And I just want to show you what he had to say, Mike. But you've now got the commercial implications of firing the most successful and most popular person on TOR TV, a man that would get tens of thousands of people watching his show on YouTube, listening on DAB, and indeed watching back

and looking at social media clips and so on and so on. So in this kind of pang of, some might say, kind of woke morality on the part of news UK to get with someone that dares to say something that some people might think it's a bit offensive and a bit odd and a bit wrong. They're now in a position where if you look at the breakfast show since Mike was benched, the ratings have halved. If you look at Plank of the Week, a show that I am honoured to be part of, I actually was on the first ever Plank of the Week show about six years ago and I continue to be on that show or was perhaps and saw this video and have been for the last five or six years if i've booked to do next week let's

see what happens um yeah it's um it it just seems uh that the the bosses at news uk and i mean news uk and i don't know them i don't know rebecca brooks and scott and others i don't know i never met them uh i do know the bosses on the 17 floor denny morris so i think he's a thoroughly decent guy by the way and i think will probably be really upset about what's going on here however I think the bosses have made a catastrophic mistake commercially, but also in terms of standing up for the right to free speech. So on the basis that the plank of the week show that I was just referencing has now seen its audience half from 300,000 a week to about 150,000 because of my grand absence. And he showed, the breakfast show, which it looks like now might be taken over by

Jeremy. I don't know. I don't think he knows yet, actually. The commercial implications of what's happened here. I'm afraid, I think, now put a big question mark, not over just the commercial viability of talk itself, but also its very future. And Mike, a lot of people have said that, have said that this is actually the beginning of the end for talk. I'm not saying you want that to happen, but quite a big deal for Russell, who is obviously a regular on the station, a presenter of the station at times, quite a big deal for him to do that. It really was. And we spoke, as I called him and I said that was really kind of you to do that. But I didn't ask him to do it and he didn't

tell me he was doing it before he did it. And I certainly, you know, I don't want to see talk fail, you know, I love the place, I love the station, I love the people that work there. The last thing I would want was for it to go under. Do you think there's a risk of that? I think there is a risk of that, yeah, because I mean, it really depends

on, you know, whether they can, you know, they can probably get a better audience than they've lost, if you like, but I don't see how they do that. I don't know how they come back from it in a way I hope they do What do you make of this boycott But I know that for example

I was looking at the numbers for Plank of the week And we would normally do about 300,000 And I think as of this morning It was only about 80, 90 Yeah, it hadn't even hit 100 So I didn't even hit 100 And I mean that's not good You know

Mike I want to talk to you about Some of your critics on the right Because to me this is one of the most interesting aspects of your cancellation, whereas usually you would expect a lot of people who are on, I mean, people use lots of different terms to describe us, you know, people who are maybe further to the right than the mainstream media would usually be on your side. But because of some of your previous positions on some of these key protagonists in the space, indeed, they weren't really

like that. In fact, some of them are actually celebrating your de-fenestration. Now, you know what my view on this is, Mike? Like, I don't agree with you on everything, but I think why it's going to be so important to have you in this independent space is because we need to start having these discussions and these debates. And also,

there is going to be a freedom that comes when you're unshackled and you don't have those sort of corporate ties. But I just want to go through a couple of these and get your reaction. So, the first and probably the most prominent is Tommy Robinson. Yeah. the activist who is behind the Unite the Kingdom rally.

And in the past, and these posts went viral again, you'd said some pretty tough things about Tommy Robinson. You said, the bloke is an idiot. Free speech is intact. He's supported by the Tommy Robinson Moron Racist Brigade. You don't need to look any further mate. You'd said, isn't it amazing how easy it is to hook the racists in when you mention St. Tommy of Robinson, not his real name.

and a rich furrow of planks, who are now all experts in the law of the land, give me strength. And you also said, tell that to your racist mate, Tommy Robinson. Do you still stand by that? Because another great guy in this space, Paul Thor, who has his own independent broadcast. And, you know, he likes you, Mike. But he messaged me when I was saying, I'm going to be speaking to you, saying, you're a very likable guy but you lost a lot of respect

when you threw Tommy Robinson under a bus given recent events would you like to apologize to Tommy and accept that he's a decent guy and a patriot and not a far right racist up to you brother yeah I mean I think Tommy Robinson's probably going to be okay without my endorsement to be honest you know he's got a very big

following much bigger than mine he and I have been going out each other for as long as I can remember you know he's called me a lot of names too but you know we're all big boys aren't we I mean, I don't think I need to apologize to him. I'd quite happily... Would you debate him?

Maybe. Maybe. I'd like to host that. Okay. But I don't see, part of me, I get this a lot, and people go, why don't you just debate him? He said it as well. Why don't you debate me? I'd debate about what exactly, you know, because we're not actually that far apart on some of the things that we think.

I think he's a much more nasty kind of figure, if you like, in the way that he goes about doing things. So is it more the tone of Tommy rather than what he has to say that upsets you? I think so. And the fact that also when we first kind of locked horns, he was, you know, perhaps a very different individual, but he was threatening to come to the office and, you know, find me and bring a lot of it. You know, there was a time when he used to go around, you know, with his followers. Well, there were protests even quite recently outside the talk offices. Oh, were there?

But that was in regards to something that Piers Morgan and Peter Cardwell had said. Oh, okay. I mean, you know, there is one out there once in a while, but I mean, you know, there was talk of him, there was a time when he used to kind of, you know, if he didn't like a particular journalist, he would go after them, you know, in a way which I always thought was a little bit beyond the pale, which was kind of why I saw him in that light. And I think perhaps he's maybe modified his behaviour since then, and he's become a slightly more, what you might call, respectable figure, because he's realised that actually behaving like a thug isn't really the way to go. but there was a time when he did and so I don't think I need to apologize to him you know so you thought some of his behaviour towards you was thuggish

yeah and that's what you didn't like that was where it all started really you know he responded to your well whatever it was whatever it was I mean he tweets about me quite he responded to you've been taken off here

what was interesting his his first response I guess got a little bit of backlash because some people said look you're you know you shouldn't celebrate someone taking his job he then explained this was all public this was on X and I played it on the show but I think it's only fair now that you're here that you can actually respond because he made some specific I'm not going to say that allegations but but claims that you were not taking a a sexual abuse case seriously enough this is this is what he had to say watch this hold on Mike what's going on

for years you've condemned me as a racist and you just lost your job who's that mike you know some fat dude who does talk radio talk tv for years all he ever does is use his platform and every time he talks about me he condemns me as that far right racist he's got drunken he's got pissed up posted loads of racist stuff his true feelings come out you were masking you were fucking it's brilliant good he's got time to exercise now Do you want a job of us, Mike? No, mate, don't employ racists. Let me just give you some context for why I'm laughing.

A few years ago, there was a sexual assault at Centre Parks. I was on holiday at Central Parks. That sexual assault was against a child. A child that's close to me. What Mike did at that time, so a sexual assault against a child close to me, Mike used his platform to belittle it, to mock it, and to say that it was fabricated

and that the child was lying in order to promote my racist agenda. That's what Mike did. So, of course, I'm very angry with Mike. I think it's outrageous behaviour. I think it's immoral behaviour. I think he's a scumbag. That's what I think, yeah? So, if you see me laughing,

I wouldn't usually laugh at someone losing their job. I don't usually laugh at... I don't believe in cancel culture. But Mike's an arson, yeah? Mike belittled a sexual assault against a child that I know, yeah? And he'd done it out of his head. for me and his allegation that I'm a racist. So now, see Mike lose his job

for the allegation of being a racist, the full 360, yeah. I don't shed any tears. I'm not sympathetic to the man at all. He's an arson. He's continually used his platform to attack me as a racist with zero evidence. Yet, look, there's evidence against...

See, for me, Mike, this is such a shame. And I'll tell you, like, it's such a shame. Just before we comment on that, the incident, I believe, that he's talking about at Centre Park. resulted in him being arrested for attacking someone. That's actually what happened. And that was the context for me to say,

because he was basically saying the reason... So you don't feel that you were belittaline? Not at all, no. The reason that he said that he assaulted this guy was because there was a sexual assault on a child. And that was his excuse for beating the guy up. That's what my recollection is. I guess what I think is such a shame

is that I think you're both brilliant, people and you're both going to be incredibly important in what is going to be honestly a fight to save this country and can you understand that people sometimes think well why are you turning

your fire on Tommy Robinson? I understand he's also turning his fire on you when look at who's running the show you know look at look at Zara Sultana and Jeremy Corbyn's mom look at the tit whisperer Zach Polanski like I mean when's that guy

come from. I know, I know. But do you know what I mean? Like, do you think now that you're in this independent space, there is potentially the possibility of at least putting some of that acrimony behind you? Listen, I'm all for peacemaking at times, you know, but I also think we should all be grown up enough to understand that, you know, we don't all have to agree on everything. I mean, he's just called me an asshole and a scumbag two or three times, and apparently I was supposed to apologize to him. I don't need it. I wouldn't ask him to apologize for that. You know, let him carry on. It's part of his schick. That's fine. You know, I'll do me. He can do him. But, but when you saw, right, Unite the Kingdom and look, I know what this is like, Mike,

you know, I've been in the mainstream media and obviously I kept pushing at the boundaries and, you know, that's one of the reasons why I was cancelled. But you couldn't what, I mean, I broadcast the whole of Unite the Kingdom, right? We had over a million views, 100,000 more watching live one time. Yeah, you can't see that event, right, and think because that are your viewers and listeners right there. Yeah, the point

about that whole operation was that, you know, there were some people who would be described as very right wing making speeches right, on the stage where Tommy was but there were also hundreds of thousands of other people who didn't even hear any of that

who were just there because they wanted to show that they care about the country. country, you know, and I think there is an issue with what you might call the mainstream media calling all of those people far right thugs. I mean, it happened at the weekend down in Kroberra, you know, where about 2,000 people went out and marched against this ridiculous imposition of 600 migrant men coming there because the local council, you know, having got the balls to say no, right? And I'm by coincidence on Saturday going to speak at the Pink Ladies demo, which is in Chelmsford, right?

I'm so happy about this. That might be, if you were to ask the question, because people will say, oh, Mike's gone a bit far right. Why is you going there? Because some people will say they're a far right group of thugs. They're not. They're a group of women and children and families who care about their country. I did see that, though, and I did wonder, and I thought this was very exciting.

You know, already it feels like maybe you're prepared to, not prepared. to, but if that might be something that you would have felt nervous about doing when you were at talk, not because you didn't believe in those women, and trust me, I love those women, you know, but because you might have been concerned about the reaction from your bosses. Well, one of the problems, as you know, about working in a big organisation like that is that you have to sort of ask permission to do things like that. And if they say, we don't think that's a very good idea, then you're not doing it, right? And that's the whole day, however of you. But, you know, they pay you well for that and so people go well this is where this is where we're going to position ourselves so was it just awesome to be able to say yep i'm coming i'm speaking on me half of these women i was i was very flattered when all her minne asked me if i would come and i was like yeah why not lucy connelly's there as well yeah i think so she's now associated with you here she's she's on the superstar panel here and again to me she's a voice of the people yeah you know and and i was at reform conference yes it's not like she's you know some kind of you know um

extraterrestrial person that should be shunned, which is what a certain portion of the, of the, of the country thinks, you know, they think it's a racist. A very small portion, I would argue, but a very powerful portion. But yeah, and also most of the people in the media. And I think there is definitely a sense that there is a kind of us and them mentality. Yeah. There were a couple of others, though, who surprised me, because the people I respect, and again, I want to give you the opportunity to respond, because obviously you've seen that we've played to this. On outspoken, because, look, for me, I always held my hands up and said, I love Mike Graham. I think he's going to be an absolutely brilliant addition to this space. But I accept that, of course, there are two sides to the argument. But I want you to be able to respond to these people directly. Okay. So one of them is Connor Tomlinson, who's a regular on this show. I think genuinely, Mike, one of the smartest, like, young men in this country in terms of wanting to save the country.

you've been very tough about him in the past you posted Connor listen and learn you're a nobody no one cares what you think you'll never debate me you're not clever enough goodbye you posted to Richard Tice saying Tomlinson is a moron

ignore so when he came on out spoken this is what he had had to say about your situation like was always rude and belligerent and quite dismissive, and so that's part of the charm, the people that like listening to him, enjoyed listening to. Mike decided to attempt to shit on people like me from a great height, and so has shrunk the number of people willing to come to his defense

based on principle. What the suggestion seems to have been is Mike, drunk or sober, had made the end-advised post and upset people with whom he shares a floor at Talk Sport, caused Discord in the building and the News UK didn't think they could defend it. And I could find out where, when, and using which IP address or phone she had used to get into the accounts. That's all available via Facebook. So Mike could have just provided that as a screenshot to News UK, presumably as a piece of evidence that he was hacked.

If he didn't then, well, we can only presume he wasn't hacked. There was a big moral panic in the English press about rampant racism in Britain against black football players. And Mike, the following day, had said, well, you know, we don't want racists in the country. If you're racist, you can leave, we can go to prison. Tata. And it's like, well, Mike, unfortunately, when you post stuff like that, when you've already said that people deserve to be not just de-platformed, but, you know, ostracized from civilization, well, you set up the stand for it to happen to you too. I don't think that they're going to be able to replicate the same audience sizes if they change out their main talking heads with

loyal organic followings and so if they keep caving to off-com pressure or political sensitivities

or even if just their hosts do silly things like this because this is on mic frankly they're just

going to lose talent lose an audience over time so I mean he was quite fair in a way

I mean he's obviously been really deeply hurt hasn't he by me could be rude to him I mean

what age is he 10 I mean come on heaven's sake he's still I mean he's literally quoting things that happened years ago. I mean that thing where I said

you know you're too, you're not clever enough I mean that was many years ago right and it was because he'd been on Peter Cardwell's show and had been banging on about digital currency and they're all going to be bringing it in and you know at that time you know my belief was you know the World Economic Forum is a waste

of time it's run by this stupid old git who it now turns out is also a sex pest of one kind or another because of the way the world is now being run the WEF is practically no nobody gives a damn about it anymore right um and and klaus schwobb is not really the the powerful man because i never believed he was it was jolly for people to go on and there was this kind of school of thought which was very much a kind of conspiracy theory to me that you know every single

world government was being told exactly how to behave and there are still people out there who'll be listening to this no doubt and saying mike doesn't get it you know because that's what they're doing and we're all going to be taken in by this credit system and we're all you know and yes you can say well Tony Blair wants to do it and you know there's all of that but and he became very kind of um arrogant about it and because I can't remember exactly how it started but I think I just said that's a lot of old cobbler's and he just went you must debate me on this Mike you absolutely have to you know you know it was kind of like I was slightly I was like how do you think you are you know because he wasn't doing what he does now

he wasn't um part of the lotus eaters or whatever it is he's now doing right well he's independent now but obviously but you'd attack the Lotus Eaters as well. Do you... The Lotus Eater's asked me to go on their show. I mean... But you should. Yeah, maybe. But the point is

that, you know, what's the matter with these people? Because they're not... Have somebody have a go at them. I mean, you know, I grew up in a Scottish household, right? We argued with each other all the time. So you think, let's have these debates. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely. But, I mean, stop being so bloody offended. I mean, what's wrong with him?

He said, I'm going to snowflake. You know, Mike was rude to me, shut on me for a great heart. I really didn't. The other clip that has gone viral... And this was from talk a few years ago, but it was Maya 2C, who's a brilliant independent broadcaster, who actually put this viral. And he posted, never forget, all these mainstream media voices were calling everything and everyone racist until just a couple of years ago, but now they see it as trendy to say right-wing things. They are all on talk TV and GB News, all fake, and no, they haven't evolved their views, I know them.

and the clip in question is of you on a call with a woman who is talking about the Great Replacement Theory now I believe the Great Replacement Theory is not a theory it's a fact right because you just have to look at the stats but I'll show you I'll show you the clip and then you then you can respond

because it's going viral Pakistani community and the FAA says Anna in Surrey and Louise says good morning Mike Louise from Ittsworth Aston Villa might as well have put up a sign saying no Jews allowed. This is blatant anti-Semitism. I'm frankly ashamed of Aston Villa.

I'm ashamed of Birmingham. I'm ashamed of the police in Birmingham. These people have no business in our country. Can you tell me how somebody next door to you has been replaced by somebody else? Have you got a theory on that? Yes, it's on the ONS. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm looking for actual evidence.

You're telling me that people are being replaced. Can you tell me of any friends of yours who have been taken? away and replaced? Do you know what the word replace means? It means taking something away and replacing it with something else. Do you understand what that actually means? You have no evidence that anyone's being replaced, do you? And according to what these demographic experts are predicting. Oh, it's a prediction. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was a prediction. I thought you were telling me that people were actually actively being replaced now. Yeah, it's called the replacement plan. It's on the United States. Oh, right. So when does the plan?

kick in when does it start i think it started a while ago did it well what so you mean there's already loads of people that have been replaced in south end then uh yeah right okay so do you know anyone that's disappeared in south end because this is a great story now i thinking that we should get into it but mike you were being unfair on her weren't you probably yeah because because at the end but again that was my schick you know that was kind of what i did and i'm you know i'm sometimes purposefully rude to people yeah you know it's a spur of the moment thing it's not like i spend my life going, I have to counter this mad conspiracy theory. It's kind of the joy of doing the show that I did. It was like a tennis match. I didn't know who was going to come at me. I didn't

know what they were going to say. I didn't have any, you know, prepared answers. And often it was just off. And obviously at that time, I get it, right? Like if you mentioned the great replacement theory, because I know this because I was there, you know, oh, you've got to stop callers talking about it. We would be told that, right? Like, I understand how this happens and how. how this works. And obviously one of the joys of the independent means you don't have some off-com officer or the off-communists, as I call them. I know that that's what used to happen because I was there at that time. Basically, if a caller raised the great replacement theory, you know, you were told you basically had to cut them off or do what you do, which is, you know, argue the

point. But do you understand now that actually it isn't just a theory? Because, I mean, if you look at our biggest cities, right? Yeah. We are as the white. native population in all of our biggest cities and that's what the replacement is referring to. But it's not actually because what the replacement is referring to is that this is a plan which came out of the United Nations which was an instruction which was given to every government in order to do

what is actually happening. I mean the end result maybe is the same right? But what I'm saying is that I don't believe that there was an actual document which you know and I know the document they refer to I've read it a document that was kind of circulated to all governments to say this is what you have to do that's the bit that I object to right that's the bit that I disagree with I don't disagree with what is now going on and the fact that there is incredible kind of you know cultural and demographic change going on absolutely no question and of course that's true yeah but I just want people not to fall for because there are people who who kind of take advantage I think sometimes of other people and and kind of make money out of it somehow encourage them to think these things you know um and i i just feel like if i have a reason to say hang on a minute i think this is incorrect and this is what i believe is happening and maybe i was a little bit disingenuous there and i was a little bit rude but again that was kind of my stick

you know and i mean i'm much nicer now by the way well yeah well i was going to say on the other side you know the lefties yeah now we're going crazy at you for things that you were saying about the Islamists. So, you know, look at, for example, I think we've got it actually, what you had to say just before you were taken off air, actually. I thought it was brilliant about A.U. You know, who's one of these hardcore.

So just watch this. Pakistani community and the FAA, says Anna in Surrey. And Louise says, good morning, Mike. Louise from Ipswich, Aston Villa might as well have put up a sign saying, no Jews allowed. This is blatant anti-Semitism. I'm frankly ashamed of Aston Villa.

I'm ashamed of Birmingham. I'm ashamed of the police in Birmingham. These people have no business in our country. And this bloke, Ayub Khan, whoever he is, should go back to Pakistan and practice his anti-Semitism somewhere where people appreciate it, because we certainly do not. And of course, the lefties, Mike, said that you were being racist there.

Right. But, of course, nobody complained to me about that inside the building, certainly. Nobody said you shouldn't have done that. or, you know, can you watch it or can you be careful, you know. And that was the thing that kind of was the most encouraging, I suppose, was that I had been able to move into that. And do you feel like your positions have evolved? Because, I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, by the way.

If you look at the development of, look at, and by the way, before people say, oh, you're supporting anti-Semitism, I'm absolutely not. Anyone who knows me knows I'm not. But if I'm just using him as an example, if you look at the development of Tucker Carlson since he left Fox News, for example. There is a change that happens when you can start to do your own research and not always rely on a bigger corporate. Like, do you feel like even before you left talk that your opinions were evolving and that maybe you were struggling with some of the limitations working? Because you have to work within a certain Overton window, don't you?

But I was, because I was so successful, they kind of left me alone to a large extent. Because you were the number one most popular show on talk by far, right? online and in the other figures. Yeah, absolutely. Because we had all, we, they had all these different platforms, you know, all of which were, you know, I was number one. And you were number one on the wall. Yeah, on all of them.

And so you didn't have people coming to you saying, oh, Mike, you know, you're just pushing this a bit too far. Not really, no, not really. But I suspect that maybe that was coming, you know, because given if what the talk sport leaks would suggest is going on, there was clearly people out there from what they, they're saying, who were getting more and more frustrated with the things I was saying and the things that I was posting, you know.

But again, the other thing that's changed is when you talk about the Overson window, you know, we now have a political class who just tell lies all the time. You know, I've never seen it as bad as this, you know, where they try and tell you black's white and, you know, this is not a banana, it's an orange. And, you know, that's not a man, that's a woman with a penis. And you're going, rubbish. frankly I'm sorry you know and even with Shabana Mahmood to go back to her talking about we've you know deported 50,000 people it's the same 50,000 people they deported last November you know it's just

rubbish I mean you have also had a huge amount of support yeah on the right as well I mean I I just wanted to show a couple of examples are from Abby Roberts yes and Lauren the insider watch this Hello, it's me, Abby Roberts, comedian and troublemaker, and somebody who's very used to being censored and cancelled. I've just seen the news that Mike Graham has been sacked, or as the American say, canned from Talk TV for something he said or didn't say or possibly offended somebody or it was outrageous. I don't really give a shit. He has been sacked for his free speech and because he refused to take part in a Maoist struggle session. Well, I've got news for you. Legacy media, including Talk TV, G.B News, you're on your way out. You're on your way out. There's a new media landscape full of free speech, full of offence, full of words, words that may offend you. So,

Stop clutching your fucking pearls and wake up because it's over. It's over. Mike, come into the new media landscape, waters. It's lovely and warm. I'll see you over there. Another day, another casualty. Mike Graham has been axed, ousted, be gone with you, Mike from mainstream media. What talk don't realize is they have just given Mike the, Biggest start in independent media, because people no longer want to hear propaganda. And he is a casualty because he's not fitting in with their woke agenda. I do not blame him for not giving them access to his phone and computer for their independent investigation. It's not an independent investigation, in my opinion. Why would you let the very company that has spent £1.2 billion in the phone hacking, scandal anywhere near any of your electronic devices. No, thank you. This is another

casualty that has fallen by the wayside in mainstream because of their woke agenda. They have hung him out to dry to make an example of him, to be seen to be doing the right thing. Ultimately, this is utter bullshit. So Mike Graham, loads of people very, very excited about what your plans are so can you reveal exactly what is going to be happening in the independent space well we're plotting a comeback basically um which we'd like to do soon sooner rather than later it's still in the kind of planning stages at the moment but it's going to be a morning show um and it's going to be fantastic it's going to be full of callers full of guests full of voice notes full of all the things that we used to do at talk, the things I used to do, and it's going to, I think it's going to blow

people's socks away. So you're going to be back on air before the end of the year? Yeah, I think so. Amazing. Yeah. Totally independent. Totally independent. I've got no interest in going to GV News. People have said, oh, you should go to GB News. Well, I don't really want to. Why is that? Because it'd just be the same, wouldn't it? I mean, you've, you've been there. I mean, they offered you, I know for a fact, Mike, I don't know if you're allowed to say this, but they did. They offered you a huge amount of money to go there. Yeah, what is called a something ton. But I didn't want to leave, you know, talk.

I didn't want to leave news because I thought, you know, this is the big organization. This is where it's at. And I was very honest with them. I didn't, you know, promise to go and then not go. I just was like, you know, but at one point, I actually said, how much do you want? And you don't regret that now, given what happened to talk? Not really, because I'm not one of those people that has regrets. I don't have regrets, you know.

I'm sorry that this happened. I'm disappointed in a way. but I'm also really excited about what's to come, you know. I mean, I wasn't expecting this, but sometimes you just need a little, you know... I mean, I think it's a blessing. I really do. I feel like I'm one of the people who can say that because I have actually been cancelled in a similar way, come into the independent space, understood how much more freeing it is,

but also this is what people want. This is where the market is at. And what I always say, and I completely believe this, and remember, been inside and outside of the system now, the reason people want their news delivered by individuals is because you are far less corruptible. Because I'm sorry, with all the will in the world, if you are working for a billionaire like Rupert Murdoch or a billionaire like Paul Marshall, you are compromised. You are compromised. And in this space, I am owned by no one other than my audience, other than my viewers. Well, my audience is what I'm loyal to in a way,

you know and I want to get them all back because I miss talking to them and they're all fantastic people and you know they've been very supportive of me during this difficult period and they all want me back they all want me doing something and people are saying to me you know like they were saying they couldn't have got through COVID without me they you know they like I used to make them laugh because I've sort of evolved I work up with you every single day and that also let me say this as well because I think I've evolved from some of the things that the people are moaning about particularly on the right you know the morning glory show was a funny show

it became a funny show because you know you have to laugh at the most ridiculous things that this country is going through and the way the government's running it so maybe I'm a slightly less objectionable character you know maybe I've evolved into that which doesn't mean that I won't take

the job seriously it doesn't mean I won't be absolutely fighting for the same you know issues that I've always fought for but I do it with a smile now yeah and I think that's what people like 100% 100%. Now, there is a big question, of course, over a format which became completely synonymous with yourself, but which talk seems to be wanting to continue without you. It is your format called Plank of the Week, which was the number one show on the channel. Now, a couple of interesting developments here. Firstly, and it was the Gryft report, actually, that pointed this out. Sorry, Talk TV, but only Mike Graham can do Plank of the Week. No wonder you turn. turned off comments and lost half your audience.

I'd say if anyone was Plank of the Week, it's Talk TV. Now, that is because the ratings dip, but because of this big backlash, they can no longer leave the comments on the posts. Now, this is, Mike, being, you know, I guess a difficult one for your close pal, Kevin O'Sullivan, who has taken the spot. I mean, you could argue that the bosses maybe should have retired

the format given it was so connected. to you, but are you planning to continue with plan? Oh yeah, yeah, because it was my idea. You know, I came up with the idea. It came out, I'll tell you how it started. It came out of one Christmas, I guess five years ago, something like that. And I was just sitting around watching rubbish on TV. And I just started putting a list of planks together.

And I was like, top ten planks. And I just put it out on social media. And people went, well, what about, what about, Prince Andrew. He's not in there. I ended up doing 100, or it was like one to a hundred. And then I went into the office and I talked to a couple of the guys production sign. They were like,

this is a show. You know, we should do this. And it kind of evolved from that. So I think we did, I think we first filmed the top ten countdown just as a little flash video with the top of the pop's music and all that kind of nods, you know. And then we went to them and said, look,

we think we can make a show out of this with and we started it with, with, funnily enough, Quirk was the first guest. He was the first arm. And I think it was an Unziata Reese Mold, believe it or not. And we sat in a room with a blue curtain behind us, which later became this massive TV studio with three chairs and a little table. And then it became this amazing thing. And then when they went to

Live Talk TV, they went, this is a show. We're going to put it on proper television. You know, so yeah, I think it's definitely my show. I don't think they'll fight me over it. But we'll see. If so, bring it on. Well, I'm very excited because maybe I'll get to guest for the first time. I'll Plague at the week, which I never got to do. Absolutely.

In the past, obviously, because I was at TV News for most of it. Okay, so your regular features and your calls and all of that, you intend to make part of your new, and it's going to be a breakfast show. Yes. Amazing. Amazing. Okay. We've got more questions coming in to Mike. So let's get to a couple of them.

Terry asks, how long do you give talk before it dies completely very? in mind their viewing figures have reportedly halved since you left well the thing about the business that they are in is is that there's not a lot of money in it right um and so they have to really want to do it in order to keep it on and it's going to be in the hands of the senior management there i guess i mean as i said i last thing i would want is for it to not be there because i think the more right-wing stuff we have out there the better so i wouldn't really say how to long I think they've got. I mean, I think there are still some good people there. There are still some good shows. You know, I hope it carries on. And June Hayden asks, how do you feel about the

MSM now? And would you ever consider working for any other channel, or do you simply not trust them? I just think this is a great opportunity for me to do something completely different. And And I'd be stupid if I was to go back into the kind of lion's den, if you like, because you know what happens. It would just happen again. You know, you suddenly give somebody an opportunity to kick you twice. And I don't want to do that. I think I believe in myself enough and the product, if you like, and the show.

And I think we can make that work. Yeah, absolutely. And it is sort of where the mood of the nation is now. It is. And I always say, Mike, you know, we are five years behind America. And if you actually look at, and of course people say I've got a vested interest in saying this, but I actually really mean it, if you look at the figures who really helped me from the American independent media when I was doing what I did, because really very few people had done this.

There were big names, like, who I really respect, by the way, like Maya 2C and Paul Thorpe, but they were digital natives. Do you know what I mean? There were very few people who had been cancelled in the mainstream media and then set up in the independent space. but actually the people who I spoke to were obviously my good friend Megan Kelly Dave Rubin and also Dan Bongino

who's now deputy director of the FBI but you know he had a massive show and they all watched very closely what happened with GB News and they said look GB News folded you know quicker than a cheap suit but they all believed that actually I would be more successful in the independent space and it has proved to be that way

so when people have said to me I mean Carol McGiffin said to me actually oh well do you view Mike as a threat dad and I'm like absolutely not I saw that show absolutely not and as I say you've been brilliant because you know not only have you been covering the story but you've been supportive in an incredible way and you've actively encouraged me to do this and I've seen what you've managed to do and it's really impressive and I think you know we can do it and the more of us the merrier 100% because the game is changing how people want the news delivered is changing I mean one of the stories which I've got to ask you about because of course you have been

on fair but it has been this seismic story I know you've made a few, you know, spicy posts on X about it, which I love to see. But, you know, this British Bashing Corporation. Oh, my God. And what's gone on with Trump and Nick Robinson, is that not the ultimate example of why all of this needs to be crushed? Absolutely. All of the mainstream media needs to be crushed. They are corrupt.

I actually totally believe when Donald Trump said the BBC is corrupt. I agree with him. I don't think it's extreme. No. Well, I mean, how else do you explain what they did? I mean, we saw today, I think, that there was a second edit that took place. So not just one that was a kind of raw, you know, mistake that, as they called it, a mis-edit. Absolute rubbish, right?

They knew what they were doing because the culture inside of the BBC is that they can't do anything wrong. And they have to absolutely hate anybody on the right. They have to hate Donald Trump. They have to hate Nigel Farage. They have to hate you. They probably hate me now as well. They probably hated talk, you know, because we spent a great deal. of time just having to go at them and saying you know get rid of the license fee shut them down you

know let them go into the commercial space and see if anybody wants to pay for that cobbler's because nobody does now has uh speaking of reform you know i'd say you're probably a bit more on the reform bandwagon uh than i am i mean you were a big star of of their conference and you've obviously been friends with nigel farage for years how do you feel about Reform UK. Have they been supportive of you, for example, during this period? Yeah, very much so. You know, again, they haven't had to come out and say anything publicly or anything like that. But, you know, I'm quite good friends with Nigel Farage and Richard Tice and others. And, you know, yeah, of course. They've been absolutely supportive because

they thought it was all a bit... I mean, most people just thought it was all a bit ridiculous. It was like, you know, why can you not figure this out and solve it? And I mean, have they had any... I mean, for example, Jeremy who was the other person who was presenting at the conference alongside of you, he appeared on Harry Cole's new show and said that he was actually actively considering becoming a candidate for the former. I mean, I really like Jeremy Kyle. I do.

I feel a little bit funny. I'm not going to lie about, you know, that doesn't cross a bit of a lie, you know. But have you considered that? Had they ever tapped you up? They haven't. I mean, people have said that to me. I've never really wanted to be a politician. It's not what I do.

No, totally with you there. Because I'm also not... And you make more impact doing this, by the way. I'm actually not a party political person. You know, people probably don't know this about me. But I haven't voted since 1979 when you were probably just a babe in arms. I mean, Mike, you're going to kill me.

You're going to kill me. I wasn't on this planet. No. Oh my God. You were going to kill me. But I love that. I fucking love that. Like, because to me, that is true independence.

Yeah. It's true independence. It is. And I actually... And did you do that for journalistic credibility? Well, do you know what? I was... I voted in 1979 when Thatcher won by Landstein.

Guess who I vote for? Labor. So you're like, I got it so wrong. I was actually campaigning for them because I was at university, right? Okay, fine. We'll let that pass. Anyway, I've never done it since. But then I moved to America.

So the next election I was in America, and then probably the next two or three elections I was in America and when I came home wherever I lived it was always like a such a safe seat there wasn't really any point and after a while I thought

I quite like this not voting thing I've never been a member of any party and I said I've had this conversation actually with people of reform I said look you know I'm never going to join reform because people have said why don't you just join I'm like because I don't join political parties I'm totally with you

I don't but see this is great to me this is absolute great to me because I think that this means you can be truly independent. And I think that's really important. And again, I'm not slagging these people off, Mike. I want to be clear. I am concerned that, you know, and I name them on my show, so I won't do so now.

But for example, over 75% of the presenters at GB News are secretly campaigning behind the scenes to be in a safe seat for Reform UK. No, really? Yeah. And like, that's fine with me, but I don't think it means that they, can properly cover some of the...

I mean, look at what's gone on with Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib, for example. You know, how can you properly cover that story? I mean, I know you're close to Ben Habib, but how can you properly cover that story if you're attempting to run for a former day? Do you see what I mean? Exactly right. And I've spoken to Ben recently, you know,

and we're probably going to do something together at some point. So... Reform won't like that. They won't. But they can't, you know, but you can't operate like that either. You can't just tell people, You can't talk to that person or this person or, you know. They can't, they can't.

Mike, we have to celebrate what was the clip for you that went truly viral, international fame. And still to this day. Still does. Every now and again. You're in all the TV clip shows and everything. And I feel like this has been pretty heavy today. So please can we celebrate the incredible concrete call?

And I want to know what you think now. Okay, watch this. Good morning, Mike. Oh, hello. What are you glued to, Cameron? Just your screen, unfortunately. Unfortunately. What do you do for a living, Cameron?

I'm a carpenter. A carpenter, right. So how safe is that for the climate? Well, I work with timber, which is a much more sustainable material rather than concrete. But you work with trees that have been cut down then, don't you? It's a sustainable building practice. How is it? sustainable if you're killing trees because it's regenerative you can grow trees

right well you can you can grow all sorts of things going well you can't grow concrete you can see you Cameron cheerio that was Cameron uh he grows trees and then cuts them down and then makes things from them brilliant marvellous I don't think I ever once Oh, Mike. I still love it. Do you? Do you still love it? Of course.

I mean, it's made me, I mean, the funny thing is, around the world, I'm more famous for that than probably anything else. I mean, most of the time, people will stop me and go, hey, Mike, how's it going? But a couple of times, people have stopped me and gone, you're the concrete guy, aren't you? Apparently, apparently someone heard me whispering. What I was whispering to Mike, because I said, Mike, you've got to get him on your independent show. Yeah. Because I want to see it.

Look, Mike, we've had. Super chats in, so I just want to run through them very, very quickly. Alex, this is the new world, by the way, our incredible audience, you'll get this. You know, they super chat, and it's a great way to build community with your audience. Alex Marman says, great to see Mike Graham again, and he will become bigger and more successful on his own from Talk TV. Will the thought police return it all or not? I'm not sure about that, actually, because I don't, I feel as though I think Kevin probably would find it difficult to do that right now. I mean, I'd love to bring it back as part of, you know, like.

like the Substack experience, which I'm currently having, which I'm learning. The Mike Graham Show.com. The Mike Graham Show.com is the substack. And you've taken off. Number one, bestseller in terms of new entrance to substack in the world, which is amazing. It is.

Sheridan said, love you, Mike. Not sure you're going to want to comment on this one, but I'll just read it nonetheless. Don't forget the CEO of Talk, Rebecca Brooks, refused to give the police her laptop and tried to get a, white during the phone hack scandal. Just just putting that there. Just putting that out there. And Sean James Cameron said, and actually this is a fair enough point. Did Mike

ever leave his computer open on his office desk? Was Facebook open on a tab? Has office CCTV been checked? Clearly thinking there's so many ways that you could have been hacked. Well, there are. As I said, I mean it's interesting, you know, people like Conor Tomlinson seems to know everything there is to know about how people get hacked. I mean, you know, sorry, Connor.

Nobody knows how much of this stuff happens, right? Yeah. You know. People try to hack me every week this is a thing when people try and say this doesn't happen trust me

it does because they want to destroy people on the right and my again to my cyber guys said you know quite often what can happen in these cases

is they'll get in and they won't do anything for a while and then they'll do something and we found actually a couple of Facebook logins from like you know

months and months ago from places where I've never been it doesn't prove anything no but it It heavily hints that someone was accessing your Facebook. It casts some doubt, certainly.

Indeed. We've got loads of other comments. Let me just run through some of them. Anthony Briggs says, Dan, you and Mike should join together and start your own news media channel like GB News and Talk and then give Ben Habiba platform so he can air his views. Riki says Mark Dolan proves to be a snake in the grass again,

did it to Dan and it backfired. Same again, hopefully. Georgina 187 says, Talk will regret the way they treated you, Mike. We all can't wait. for the Mark Graham show, wishing you every success. Alison Sherrod says, I really believe that the bosses at Talk TV had it in for Mike before all of this.

To call him a liar, I can't wait for Mike's new channel. I will be watching it all the time like I do outspoken. Helen Crystal says, I've already stopped watching GV News and talk because of the way they stop people. I like going on. And Bottom Harmer says, talk is a sinking ship anyway. You were lucky to get out of it, Mike. Kevin was your only friend of the rest

which you placidous bastard So they don't hold back They don't They outspoken audience Not quite true by the way But anyway, listen Maybe a couple of them Maybe a couple of them

Now Mike you have your plank of the week I have my uni in Jackass You do Okay So I want And you've brought that with you didn't you I did I did indeed Did they try and stop you

They did initially Yep they tried to stop me using It was crazy They tried to stop me using words right so certain words like i have features on my show like the superstar panel and the digest and and they tried to stop me using it in fairness though because i do want to be fair i fought back and they did come to an arrangement uh which meant that we could both use the words i find it a bit weird because patrick christie still runs a segment once a week called greatest britain union jackass

because the bosses told him he had to i think it's stupid change the name 100% just retire it just retire it. And genuinely, I think talk should do the honorable thing here and just retire Plank of the Wing of the Wing, right? Do you do a different show. You know, Kevin has his own brilliant shows. He's got his own show anyway. Totally. Just retire it. That to me would show a little bit of good grace. Do you know what I mean? But it doesn't look like they're going to do that. So anyway, I want to know who would be your union jackass out of our nominees, Mike, and see if you agree with our audience. So the nominees are Helen Weberley, nominated by Helen O'Driskel. This is a woman who claims to be a doctor but she's a trans lunatic because she didn't interview with ben leo on gb news

and i have to say ben leo completely owned her yeah uh ed davy nominated by sarah booth uh who calls him bozo the clown you know because of all of his anti-trump pro bbcc stuff and west street he nominated by bernie spofforth because he has lost control of the n hs so who would be your union jacket i tend to go with the trans nutter because what i used to say in plank of the was that people like Ed Davy are going to be in there all the time he's always going to be up there right and probably as is West Streetsing

right but suddenly if you've got somebody who's in the news right now go with that one Mike you feel my pain because I have to say every now and then I do say I do say to the outspoken crew can we just rest can we just rest Slippery Stama and Rachel Thief just for one week

and Ed Miliband you know because because it's nice to have a bit of variety but that isn't how the Outspoken viewers have gone today. 14% of you voting for Wes Streeting. The runner-up with 28% Helen Weberley. That is Mike Graham's choice. But today's Union Jackass with 58% of the vote.

Ed Davy, the Liberal Democrat leader, and I do totally understand that. And Mike, our greatest Britain today, can you believe it, nominated by Scott Fly 234, it is Mike Graham. No, very nice. Here's Mike Graham. For the unflappable bounce back, Scott says, welcome to the independent media, prepare for success.

And honestly, Mike, if there is one thing that I would just love you to take away from this and looking at the huge reaction that we've already had, you should not even feel like this is a blow to your career in any way because it's not. This is genuinely a blessing. I know how you feel because I went through it. It doesn't feel like it right now. It's a little bit unknown. Do you know what I mean?

It feels a lot better than it did, you know, a week and a half again. Well, I'm not surprised. I mean, the reaction. I mean, your YouTube channel, the subscriptions have taken off. Substack has taken off. You know, I am so personally excited. And it's nothing to do with anything other than I woke up, you know, to Morning Glory. And I can't wait that in two weeks' time I'm going to be listening to an unfiltered microbe.

There's some real positives as well. we don't have the same number of ads, you know, all of that type of thing, which I think you're going to love. So can I be a guest? And you haven't got anybody down the corridor that hates me either. Not yet. Not yet. They will.

They will hate me. Give them a couple of weeks. Absolutely right. I'm going to say something because this is what a lot of people are used to me saying on the show. Yes. Let's get it on. Let's get it on. Are you going to bring that back with you?

Of course. Imagine they try to stop me saying it. We own let's get it on, really, do you? Come on. Yeah, I think that was probably our group. wasn't it? But look, Mike Graham, it's been absolutely brilliant, but I can't wait to see

what happens over the next few weeks because I just have a feeling that this is going to be big and it's also going to be really interesting to see how things evolve for you because as I say, things evolve for me. It's quite freeing once you're out of those shackles.

And it won't happen immediately and I'm not even talking about your views, I'm just talking about the way that you adapt to the medium. But obviously you're a total pro and it's going to be amazing. Well, listen, this has been great because I haven't spoken about any of this

and you're the first person I've been able to talk to about it. I know. I so appreciate it. Thank you. I so, so appreciate it. My good friend, Mike Graham, and we've got to talk about the channel because you can subscribe right now. And I really recommend people search for Mike Graham on YouTube

because that's important. The Mike Graham Show.com is where you'll find it. And that's where you get the substack and also the links to the YouTube. But people can also just search within YouTube. Yeah. If you just, because I checked before the show, if you just search for Mike Graham

you will find the channel and you can subscribe there but of course substack is a really important part of the whole part of the whole schick isn't it and actually I find my substack is the best way that I can communicate and what I'm going to do as well and I'm going to start immediately

probably is just put things on there so you'll get content like straight away yeah you know it's a real substack's an amazing platform actually because it's not like X where everyone's trolling because it's a like-minded community. Do you see what it means? I absolutely love it. And by the way, my substack is www. www. outspoken.live. And what I do, Mike, you might be interested in doing this too,

is I host my after show on there every day. So the wonderful Angela Levin is up today, someone who adores Mike as well. And she's going to be with me at www. outspoken. And on our aftershow, that is where we talk all about the royal news of the day. And my God, there's a lot of it. Can you, can you just for me, Mike? Can you do your little Harry? Harry, Harry, great news, Harry. Mike Graham's been cancelled. Can't make fun of us anymore.

Harry! Harry! That's what I've been missing. Seriously. Seriously. Mike Graham, that was absolutely brilliant. Thank you so much. Of course, I am back live tomorrow 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Subscribe on Rumble or YouTube.

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