Dan Wootton Outspoken - MISOGYNY BRANDED "TERRORISM", AS LABOUR KILLS FREE SPEECH & TURNS UK INTO POLICE STATE

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium In another chilling development in the war on free speech and expr...ession in the UK, Crazy Labour intends on making extreme misogyny terrorism. Is this simply a plan to jail Andrew Tate? Meanwhile, women’s rights campaigner Kellie Jay Keen says she is expecting to be JAILED as the UK becomes a socialist police state. Dan gives his verdict during a special Digest and then his Superstar Panel, Suzanne Evans and Alex Armstrong, weighs in. PLUS: Two Tier Keir Starmer tanks, after a disastrous first month as PM. Is there any chance in him surviving a year in Number 10? AND: The establishment continues to target Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson. Dan will reveal why and how. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wharton. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 32. And in another chilling development in the war on free speech and expression in the UK, crazy Labour intends on making extreme misogyny terrorism. Is this simply a plan to criminalise Andrew Tate? Meanwhile, women's rights campaigner Kelly J. Keene says she is expecting to be jailed as the UK becomes a socialist police state. This development comes as two-tier care, as you know, continues to lock up ordinary Brits for Facebook and X posts, sparking international outrage. You are not allowed to disagree with the government. And if you do, we will send you straight to jail.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Welcome to the United Kingdom. My verdict in the digest shortly. Also coming up today, two-tier Keir Starmer tanks after a disastrous first month as PM. Is there any chance of him surviving a year in number 10? And the establishment continues to target Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson. I'll tell you why and how, then get the verdict of my superstar panel today, Suzanne Evans and Alex Armstrong. Then in the uncancelled after show, American royal commentator and columnist for Fox News and the Daily Telegraph, Lee Cohen, is here to reveal all about the Sussex's fake
Starting point is 00:01:32 royal tour of Colombia, which was both cringeworthy and creepy. We're going to tell you the real story of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's behaviour that the MSM won't report. So you don't want to miss this one. You can register to watch it on our own website at www.outspoken.life. Most importantly, that website operates as a safe space free of censorship and your support at just £5 a month not only gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday after the main show. It also allows me to continue making this independent daily news show, which I hope in the current context you'll agree is pretty important. But for now, let's go. So in just six weeks, the UK under this socialist Labour government and its authoritarian leader, two-tier Keir Starmer, is not only locking up working class Brits for dodgy posts on Facebook
Starting point is 00:02:31 and X, but bidding to criminalise free speech in a host of terrifying ways. The Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, who has no concerns about throwing open the UK borders to illegals, including rapists, murderers and terrorists, is planning to reclass extreme misogyny as terrorism, a law designed to lock up Andrew Tate and his followers. Home Office Minister Jess Phillips, the woman who excused violent Muslim protests just two weeks ago, clearly finds it so much easier to talk about misogyny than Islamist extremism. Extreme misogyny is the phrase that's being used in most of the Sunday papers this morning. How would you, how would the government go about defining what is extreme misogyny as compared, I suppose to to more day-to-day misogyny
Starting point is 00:03:26 money yeah i mean i'm not keen on any misogyny if i'm perfectly honest but um this it this is about looking at exactly what those definitions are and doing a piece of work to fill gaps that have been growing for a very long time and lots of agencies you cited Maggie Blythe and the MPCC the National Police Chiefs Council concerns there about the growing rise in sort of misogynistic attitudes amongst young men largely because of online content that they're seeing and this isn't let me just be completely clear, about criminalising people who are showing signs of an ideology. It is about preventing that ideology. It's so much easier, isn't it, for Labour to talk about homegrown incels and Andrew Tate,
Starting point is 00:04:21 who alongside Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson seems to have become the most predictable villain of the left. And it's so much easier for them to talk about those folk than Islamist extremists who are raping and killing British women on a regular basis. So I think this is Labour now deliberately attempting to silence their enemies through fear. The fear of losing their liberty. And this is a very real fear. Look at the message that the brave and regularly persecuted women's rights campaigner Kelly J. Keene sent to her followers today. Dear ladies in WhatsApp and signal chats, LWS, that's let women speak, closed all of ours as they are neither secure or fruitful. Women are being arrested and having their phones seized. I would recommend you take all steps to protect yourselves and your friends.
Starting point is 00:05:20 We are living in strange times with a leftist Stasi government. Prepare to be persecuted. Can you believe that? A women's rights group going underground in fear of persecution in the UK in 2024. But sadly, I think Kelly is right. I mean, think about this. She believes in biological sex. And we know that Starmer and his Labour Stooges don't. So it's possible that someone who doesn't accept a trans
Starting point is 00:05:51 woman is a she could soon be accused of criminal behaviour or even terrorism under this banner of extreme misogyny. Now, I know this is nuts, you know this is nuts, but it's happening, and we need to speak out. Last week, I told you about some of the cases that should have rocked this country, the home of the Magna Carta to its core. Like Julie Sweeney, the 53-year-old from Kidsgrove, who lived a quiet, sheltered life in Cheshire, and is the primary caregiver to her ill husband, now serving 15 months behind bars after she made an inappropriate post on Facebook that she instantly regretted. There's David Spring, the retired 61-year-old former train driver from Sutton who has never been in trouble with the law,
Starting point is 00:06:39 now behind bars for confronting the police at a protest outside Downing Street, even though footage shows that he did absolutely nothing violent. What about Lucy Connolly, the wife of a conservative politician who remains locked up on remand because of her social media posts, that's an indignity usually reserved for violent criminals. Or Zalafield worker Lee Joseph Dunn, serving 12 weeks for sharing three memes. Yep, that's right. He shared three political memes. No wonder we are now a disgrace in the free world. And the wonderful Dutch activist Eva Valdenbroek said
Starting point is 00:07:24 the day David Spring got sentenced to 18 months in jail was the day UK citizens lost their freedom. Watch. The two-tier, two-tier-kier justice system. The UK is no longer a free nation. If you do not have democratic options to express your disagreement with the government, that country is no longer democracy. And that's the only conclusion that I can come to in all of these cases. A mother of five being sent to 26 months in jail because she threw a can at the police. Is that proportionate? A man online who committed the crime of, according to the government, inciting racial hatred because he posted one post on Facebook?
Starting point is 00:08:11 Is that proportionate? I don't think so. I don't think so. But it's very clear, like I said, what the message is here. You are not allowed to disagree with the government. And if you do, we will send you straight to jail. Welcome to the United Kingdom. Lord Frost agrees with Eva that the UK is no longer a free country.
Starting point is 00:08:37 And my friend, the broadcaster and journalist Colin Brazier posted, There's an air of unreality to prosecutions designed to nip unrest in the bud by handing down disproportionate sentences. English law honed over centuries to match punishment to evidence is misfiring. Many defendants have pled guilty without trial. Cases need testing by juries. And of course he's right. I mean, how could this monster, an Islamic teacher who molested an 11-year-old girl, escape jail because his wife doesn't speak English when Julie, David, Lee and Lucy are locked up. This is the definition of two-tier justice.
Starting point is 00:09:30 And I fear it's about to get so much worse. But now it's time to bring in today's superstar panel. And I'm delighted to be joined today by the conservative commentator Alex Armstrong and making her outspoken debut but a very good friend of mine, former deputy chair of the UKIP party and the author Suzanne Evans. It is so great to have both of you here today. Suzanne, given you are a woman, great to have you, great to see you again. And given you are a woman, I guess it probably makes sense to come to you first. Otherwise, I may be accused of extreme misogyny and locked up. Well, I think you probably are too. But honestly, honestly, how crazy is this going to get i think we've seen in the last six weeks
Starting point is 00:10:30 since keir starmer became prime minister a huge amount that is deeply deeply worrying uh how many migrants is it in small boats who have come across since he became pm it's heading for six and a half thousand uh he's scrapped through a wounder. I never thought it was very good, to be honest. But there you go. It's removed the one deterrent that was in existence with no plan to replace it. The riots that we've had, I think Keir Starmer has inflamed them by refusing, as he did when we had those Black Lives Matter protests. Remember, he immediately got down on one knee. But it seems that when white people riot, and I'm absolutely not supporting the riots, I think they're absolutely categorically wrong. There is no excuse for it. The fact is, there are grievances that underlie those riots that we must
Starting point is 00:11:16 talk about. Yet, Keir Starmer has done quite the opposite. And suddenly, he's managed to find prison places and a fast track justice system to get these people arrested, prosecuted, convicted. Whereas that has never happened before with numerous other widespread crimes that we've seen. I mean, knife crime among the gangs in London being the obvious example that springs to mind. You know, we seem to be able to crack down on certain so-called right-wing extremism. But when it comes to any other kind of extremism, any other kind of crime, oh, let's have a softly, softly approach, maybe we best not go there. And I find it deeply worrying. I think we have all for a very long time been almost self-censoring what we say in the public sphere. Rightly up to a point, definitely wrongly
Starting point is 00:12:06 up to another. And I think that is going to get worse. I think free speech is absolutely in peril. And I think it is particularly in peril under this current government, although to be fair, the last government didn't do a very good job on protecting it either. Alex Armstrong, what do you make of Kelly J. Key telling her women to be really careful to close down these WhatsApp and Signal groups, warning that they are women who believe in biological sex. They are folk that people try and class as TERFs, although we have now reclaimed that term and said that's a great thing, trans-exclusionary radical feminists. But how disturbing that women like that could find themselves classed as terrorists under this plan by Labour to criminalise extreme misogyny.
Starting point is 00:13:02 It's terrifying. And I think so many people are so scared of using their voice to say what they believe, which is an utterly insane statement to be making in 2024. It was only 80 or so years ago that our men and women bravely fought Nazism across Europe to ensure our societies were free to speak and to use their voices in such a way that we can have a political discussion. But what's so funny about all of this
Starting point is 00:13:33 is that you've got people like Yvette Cooper coming out saying they want, and Jess Phillips saying they want to, you know, they hate misogyny. This is a form of misogyny. It's a misogyny of minority people who believe in this radical trans agenda against biological women like JK Rowling, who has been forever a feminist. And the crackdown on free speech we've seen from this two-tier tyrannical Keir, that's my new name for him, over the last six, seven weeks since he's been in office is unprecedented. Unprecedented. I know so many people who are even considering leaving the United Kingdom just to be able to go, well, from fear of being arrested for sharing things like memes. I mean, anyone who follows me knows I love putting out a meme. I love it. I love making a Keir Starlin meme. And if I get arrested for that, so be it. I'd rather be arrested for using my freedom of speech. But I find this so abhorrent and is normal, as usual for Labour. perpetuated alongside the Tories, just might I add, over the last 10 years by locking people up
Starting point is 00:14:45 and suppressing their voice rather than having a debate with them. We even had Tony Blair, not that long ago, make a very long video, a big interview, saying we should listen to people. We even had the Chancellor, when she was Shadow Chancellor, saying that if we didn't speak about immigration and issues that affect the majority of Brits, there would be rioting on the streets. I think you're going to see, and again, I don't condone the rioting whatsoever, the same as Suzanne, I think it's abhorrent what's happened. But you'll start to find that the masses will start to come together under one unified banner over the next few years, because I think we're heading to some very tough times. Two-tier tyrannical care. I like that a lot. But look, the point is, Suzanne, a lot of the people
Starting point is 00:15:30 who are being locked up actually had nothing to do with the riots. Like Lee, he posted three memes, actually not that different to the types of memes that Alex posts, as he points out. Others made inappropriate comments on Facebook, but they were not directly inciting violence. So actually, I feel like what they're trying to do is terrify people much, much more in terms of what they say rather than what they do. Yeah, I agree. We're talking almost about thought crimes here, aren't we?
Starting point is 00:16:06 And we all have thoughts of the wicked that flip through our head, that we regret the instant we've thought them. And I think in this particular cases, we've seen people who have put things out there in the heat of the moment, instantly regretted it, deleted it, but they're still being prosecuted. And this is what I find particularly worrying, because we all make mistakes. And as I kind of hinted earlier, I think there is a very worrying tendency on social media to be a keyboard warrior, to say things out there that are nasty and abusive without really thinking
Starting point is 00:16:35 it through. And frankly, none of us should do that, let's be honest. But when we do make mistakes, when we are human in that way, and then you suddenly find three or four policemen knocking on your door in the early hours of the morning and dragging you out of your bed. It is very, very worrying. And the sentences that are being given out as well. You know, you mentioned, didn't you, Dan, in your introduction, the 53-year-old Julie Sweeney, who did say some pretty ghastly things on social media, but did regret it. You know, she was jailed for what 15 months yes um and then she's the full-time carer for her husband Suzanne she has never ever been in
Starting point is 00:17:13 trouble with the law and you say she said a few things it was one post and it was a gross post she immediately regretted it and they both tried to delete it after one minute this was on a community facebook page with 5 000 people it didn't directly incite someone to burn down a particular mosque not excusing the comment at all but i'm sorry suzanne when she ends up in prison and the muslim guy who gropes the 11 year old girl doesn't because his wife fails to speak English, then how can you say that we have anything other than a two-tier justice system? No, I absolutely think we do. There's no doubt about that. But, you know, the same judge in her case gave a two-year sentence to a man who abused his partner badly over the course of about three weeks.
Starting point is 00:18:08 He also let a paedophile who'd collected graphic images of children online for four years get off scot-free. Yes, the same judge. So what's happened, Suzanne, are they taking to heart what Starmer has said? And doesn't that go fundamentally against the principles of a Westminster system where the executive is meant to be separate from the judiciary? Yes, absolutely it does. But I'm afraid many of our judges, in my opinion, have been quite politicised, highly politicised for quite some time. We saw that front and centre in the
Starting point is 00:18:40 aftermath of the EU referendum, when we saw even the Supreme Court trying to stop Brexit. Deeply worrying. It's got to be stopped. But of course, we now have a Labour government whose perhaps ideology is more in tune with those politically compromised judges. So I don't see anything being done about it anytime soon, unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Yeah, and might I add, on top of it being a Labour government, we also have their chief lawyer, the man who ran the Crown Prosecution Service, as he never lets us forget, as Prime Minister. So he knows how to weaponise the law. If anyone does, he's the man that's going to do it. I just briefly wanted to touch on this misogyny thing again, briefly, because I believe it's people on the left that have radicalised these young boys.
Starting point is 00:19:26 They have demasculated them. They have said that they can't be men, essentially. They're saying that being a man is bad. You must conform to feminism or you're evil. And it's what people like Andrew Tate would never exist if the traditional left was still in power and said, actually, you know, we need to have a sensible debate with men about how we resolve X, Y, Z issues together. But instead, what they're doing is what they've always, what they've been doing for the last 14 years, which is creating these massive protest groups to take down anyone that disagrees with them in radical ways. You're weaponizing the law. The amount, it's so funny,
Starting point is 00:20:00 the amount of people I've had in my Twitter comments saying you're you're going to need a lawyer someone's going to sue you I'm like go for it but over 14 years of Tory rule that never happened once they are they are hungry for people to be locked up in this country and only for the the vast majority of people who have common sense views apparently yeah I mean Suzanne what do you make of the whole Andrew Tate thing because for, I believe this is a law that is designed specifically to try and criminalise Andrew Tate, to say that Andrew Tate is a terrorist. Now, surely Alex is right, actually, that Andrew Tate has only become as successful as he has because there's such an issue with masculinity being dumped upon in society yeah i'm not quite so sure about that to be honest i think there's absolutely been an issue with men being emasculated in society uh about men being told that their masculinity is toxic when in fact it isn't and in in many, many circumstances can be extremely helpful.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Andrew Tate, I think whether or not that would happen would probably have made some of the, I don't think Andrew Tate is a man who respects women. I certainly don't have any respect for him. But I think you're right, he's not a terrorist. That's absolutely true. To call him a terrorist is ridiculous. He's a nasty misogynist. But he's not a terrorist. And misogyny is not terrorism. I feel we're almost at a situation where so much is being labelled terrorist, except real terrorism that we see day in day out. You know, we hear a story about, as happened last week, a soldier being stabbed on the street. But, oh, it's not terrorism. It's someone who's got a mental health problem. One man that makes some derogatory comments about women is suddenly a terrorist and we've got to make sure he's locked away for life.
Starting point is 00:21:55 It is insane. As I say, I don't like Andrew Tate, but this is insane. And I think you're right, Dan. I think it is a law that's being brought in to go after people like him. He is an extreme case and extreme cases make very bad law. And this is one that shouldn't happen. You can see a situation where that law, however it's written, and I'm sure it'll be written so broadly that they will be able to pull other people into it. So anyone who shares a slightly misogynistic tweet, or I got accused of misogyny because I did write a really silly tweet attacking Angela Rayner. And I did apologize for it. But I can see a law like that being weaponized against someone like me who was actually trying to make a point about.
Starting point is 00:22:35 No, well, exactly. Would Lawrence Fox have been arrested for saying that he didn't want to shag Ava Santina? Is that extreme misogyny? Because remember, I was called a misogynist for Lafayette and saying that she was beautiful exactly so my fear is after seeing what they've done just in the last few weeks is that they're going to make and this Islamophobia law is going to be coming in soon as well this is all going to happen at the same time at the same time they've got rid of the free speech bill at universities so we're seeing where this government's going very early days um and my worry is is that they're going to weaponise it and they're going to
Starting point is 00:23:08 take down anyone that disagrees with them. And the blob will be in power forever, some sort of Labour diktat that never ends. Yeah, it's also going to make life, I think, very dull and very frightening. You know, I'm sure I've probably laughed at some good sexist jokes in my time. I mean, when I was growing up as a young girl in the 60s and 70s, that was pretty much the style of the way I got fed. You must have heard a few blonde jokes, Suzanne. But, you know, the fact is some things in life are funny.
Starting point is 00:23:38 They might be broadly sexist, but they're still quite funny because they're true. Yeah, I think it also makes for a very humorless, joyless society, which I think that's also what they want. Well, this is woke tyranny. I don't think they want anyone to enjoy themselves. They don't want any of us to have any money. They don't want any of us to own our own property.
Starting point is 00:23:54 They don't want any of us to have a successful, independent family life. Even our children now are pursued every minute of every day by some kind of state intervention it is a deeply worrying uh direction of travel it is you'll learn nothing and you will be happy about that's right yeah yeah that's it you know world world economic world economic forum stuff but isn't this also suzanne all about diversion? And actually, it's diversion from talking about the real issue here. And the real issue is extreme Islam. We know that when you look at all of the statistics on terrorism and the PREVENT program, actually, it's not incels that are causing the issue. On the whole, it is extreme Islam. And yet again, it feels like, just like there was a diversion after Southport in terms of not speaking about the perils of mass immigration,
Starting point is 00:24:57 yet again, it feels like Labour is doing anything to divert the conversation away from talking about the perils of extreme Islam. Yes, I certainly think that's the case. I mean, again, they don't want to go after their voter base, which is quite obvious. We saw Angela Rayner in that bizarre environment where she was begging for votes. I don't know where it was, but it certainly looked like it was only Muslim men in the room. No woman in sight, apart from her. No woman in sight, no woman in sight apart from her no woman in sight no woman in sight and if
Starting point is 00:25:25 we're talking about misogyny laws i mean it's part of the islamic religion it order women to cover up they have to ensure that men and women are separated so so you know if we're going to do that how does this all work it's very confusing to me about how they're going to tackle this and also talk about the issues within certain religions that do separate men and women quite dramatically actually but you're right Dan it's all a diversion it's all it's all in order to scare you as much as possible I mean they've wheeled out almost everyone from a former counter-terrorism director who's one of the most woke people on the planet to the to the director of the crown prosecution service to say to you you will be locked up if you disagree with us in so
Starting point is 00:26:08 many words or you will be deemed a terrorist in so many ways so they're showing you their hand that's the terrifying thing they have done it and the thing is when it comes to islamophobia i'm sorry this is a religion that doesn't want me as a gay man to exist. So I am going to talk about that, whether you like it or not. And if Labour wants to lock me up for that, then they can go ahead. And Suzanne, I'm sure as a woman, you have some pretty strong views about Islam and Sharia law being introduced through the back door, as it is in many parts of the UK.
Starting point is 00:26:44 Yes, I do. Absolutely. And what particularly worries me is that we already have this kind of refusal to debate these issues in the public sphere without fear. But I think we've also now got coming down the tracks, this threat of an Islamophobia law to prevent people criticising Islam. That's what this amounts to, I believe. I don't think any religion should be immune to criticism. Religion is something that you choose.
Starting point is 00:27:11 You might be under pressure to choose it because of your upbringing or whatever it might be. But I think all religions should be open to criticism. If we get a situation where a blasphemy law is brought in by the back door, that means we cannot criticise Islam, then how are we to expose the problem of Islam's attitude, broader Islam's attitude to gay people, to women, to, you know, the
Starting point is 00:27:33 fact that Sharia law would potentially be something that is welcomed in Britain with associated death penalty, floggings, amputations and and so on and so so off that at its extreme end exactly and we should be able to have that discussion now look i want to talk about the party political side of this for a second because alex your party reform uk doing a good job when the conservatives have completely disappeared i want to show you this post on x from the party's new chairman z Zia Youssef, who said Labour are now plotting a ministry of truth funded by the taxpayer. Reform is the last bastion for freedom and British values against this creeping totalitarian government. Lee Anderson
Starting point is 00:28:16 also posted on X, spot the difference. I'll give you a clue. It starts with two tear and there you see on the left an article about Rolex watch thieves walking free. And by contrast, oh sorry, by contrast on the left, actually the pensioner jailed for disorder there. Now, Suzanne, I know Alex is very much going to agree with that, but you are a former deputy chairman of UKIP. You previously worked with Nigel Farage. Do you think Reform UK are becoming the official opposition now? Or I guess you'd say the unofficial opposition with the official opposition, the Tory party missing an action? I'd like to think so. I read the Reform Manifesto, and in some ways it was very similar to the UKIP one. In others, there was some new and
Starting point is 00:29:02 innovative stuff in there as well. But I just thought, this is what the Conservative Party should be, and what the Conservative Party no longer is. It was a brilliant manifesto. So much in it. It's the only party, you know, that was advertising free market economics, low taxes, a small estate, cutting government spending, all this stuff. And it was amazing. And no other party is saying that. So if you are a small CD conservative, if you believe freedom, if you do believe in low taxes, if you don't think the government should be spending unnecessarily on, you know, diversity, equality, inclusion measures, for example, that absolutely produce nothing, then reform is your only option. So yes, I wish reform in Parliament all the best. I hope they absolutely smash it. I hope they do become the official opposition because my goodness,
Starting point is 00:29:55 that's the kind of voice we need to hear. And Alex, do you believe Farage will be Prime Minister in 2029? I don't believe he'll be Prime Minister in 2029, no, but I do believe he will get to the leader of the opposition title. I mean, we just have to look at how many second place, almost victories there were for reform in stronghold Labour seats. This is the Boris Johnson Tory party. This is where the Tories were in the 2000, I think it was 2019 election, where Boris got the Let's get Brexit done campaign. He got those working class people
Starting point is 00:30:28 and he got them into the Conservative Party. And what the Tories failed to do was to recognise that the polls have shifted. Labour are the party of the rich. The Tories were meant to be the party for the working class. And they completely forgot that when they stabbed Boris and brought in Rishi. Now, Farage, Lee Anderson,ard tice and uh i can't
Starting point is 00:30:47 remember the last um uh sorry thank you james yeah they are doing a fabulous job and you can tell because the media are constantly out to get them there is no press about the tories other than their paid their paid usual shills in the mainstream media, you know, push the Daily Mail still trying to push out Tory headlines about James Cleverley and Cammy Badlock, the most boring Tory leadership election we've probably had in history. Well, it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant. And who would have thought that someone like me, who supported the Tories under Boris Johnson and his trust would be saying this. But actually, look at the lineup. It's pathetic. And actually, it doesn't have Suella Braverman in. And I think Suella
Starting point is 00:31:32 Braverman is the only person who could have spiced up this race and made it at all interesting, as far as I'm concerned. But look, back to the consequences of Labour's policies when it comes to the riots. And prison overcrowding is now so bad that in order to jail people like Julie Sweeney, violent criminals are going to be released on the streets. And this is Mark Fairhurst from the Prison Officers Association admitting on the BBC this morning that it is now one in, one out. We will guarantee a prison cell. We will make sure that those people who need to be in prison will be in prison. Not necessarily in the area where they live. They may be 200, 300 miles away from home, but we will guarantee people a prison cell. The numbers are so tight. How can you make that guarantee?
Starting point is 00:32:28 They are tight, and that's why we've initiated Operation Early Dawn. So basically, the easiest way to describe it is one in, one out. So as people get released, we can then pick up people from police cells and take them to court. And we will triage that three times a day. OK, Suzanne, this is utterly insane. So Julie Sweeney, in order for her to go to prison for 15 months for sending a Facebook post which she quickly regretted,
Starting point is 00:33:00 what, a rapist or a thief or a you know a an abuser is going to be let out it's it's madness you know if you do the crime you should do the time you shouldn't rely on somebody else who's committed a potentially less serious crime than you to get you out, get out a jail free card. I'm absolutely appalled by this, that, you know, the correct response to this, if you really want to put more people in jail, for right or wrong reasons, is to build more prisons. It's not to let out other offenders who've not yet paid their debt to society. I find it actually hard to believe that someone who calls themselves a prison minister can even make that statement. It is terrifying.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Yeah, but this is the absolute confusion, Alex, with the Labour policy. Because Labour gets into government and it hires a prison minister who says, oh, we believe in rehabilitation and we don't want to lock as many people up. Oh, until the white working class folks start protesting, some violently, start posting things on Facebook and X. And actually, then we want to get really tough.
Starting point is 00:34:17 So their strategy is completely out of whack. Yeah, we're seeing this party completely all over the place. Just got to look at how they've dealt with the union issue. I mean, they've got egg on their face. They were out celebrating the end of the protests and the picketing. And we're back to square one, and they've still given away billions of taxpayer pounds to do so. And that this Labour Party is unfit for government. It really, really is. Look at Keir Starmer's poll ratings. He's down to minus seven within the first seven weeks. It's shocking stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:50 It's shocking, and the public are seeing through it so, so quickly. This government, we've got David Lammy, a foreign secretary who won't even have foreign leaders meet with him. He was trying to meet with Netanyahu, and he refused to meet with him, quite rightly, in my opinion. And we've got a prime minister who is more interested in locking up British citizens than he is resolving the symptoms that have caused these problems in the first place. They are totally out of their depth. They've just taken away millions of pounds from taxpayers, pensioners who've paid in all their lives, who will freeze this this winter and they promised not to do that and now where they've again proven that
Starting point is 00:35:28 they're liars this is a this is a government already in utter disarray it what it's what took the Tories 14 years to get to they've done it in seven weeks I cannot see Keir Starmer surviving as Prime Minister for more than a year at this rate but it's a total distraction I mean if anything all this chaos is the ultimate distraction from people questioning their tactics from what they've done with locking up rioters the prisons are overcrowded they always have been build more prisons that's the answer don't let out violent people on the streets the people they're locking up for memes have like as you said Dan and as Suzanne said have never broken the law before.
Starting point is 00:36:09 So what we're doing is putting less dangerous people in prison and letting the dangerous ones out. It's madness. And Suzanne, can we pick up on what Alex was talking about there in terms of Starmo's immediate slump? His net approval rating, this is truly extraordinary down seven sorry down to negative seven percent but the crazy thing about that is that it's down 10 points from the beginning of august but down 26 points from when he was elected prime minister so down 26 points in six weeks, Suzanne. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I remember the Labour government through 1997 to 2010 and how dire it was because I'm old enough. And you just knew that many people who were going to be voting Labour in this election have got no recollection of that, no experience of that.
Starting point is 00:37:01 They don't know what a Labour government is like. Well, they've been dealt a very clear picture of just how bad a Labour government can be in just six weeks. So interestingly, I was talking to Andy Twelves, who's a trade union spokesperson last week, and he was saying that he doesn't think Keir Starmer is going to go the distance and last the parliamentary term, which I thought was really surprising coming from a Labour man, because I must admit, despite the fact it is so bad, I think he probably will. But that was an interesting perspective. The difference, though, I think, is that while all three of us can see just how badly Labour is doing, I wonder if they realise just how badly they're doing. No, I don't think they do.
Starting point is 00:37:41 They're probably patting themselves on the back thinking we stopped the riots by taking all these dangerous people off the streets and locking them up. I think they're thinking we've got the civil service doing absolutely everything that we tell them to do
Starting point is 00:37:56 and they're coming up with even greater ideas of how to make life more uncomfortable for the British people. I think they are congratulating themselves on the fact that
Starting point is 00:38:04 they are doing so well. Well, because the mainstream media loves it. So they don't have to worry too much about what people think anyway. Yeah, and the mainstream media love them. So you're completely right. You add all of those factors together. But actually, what the mainstream media
Starting point is 00:38:19 and the Westminster bubble don't understand is actually the public are angrier than they have been in a generation. And the question is what to do. And I spoke about this quite a lot on the show last week, because obviously no one approves of the violent disorder. No one approves of the riots. But both Douglas Murray and Father Calvin Robinson have been advocating for folk to get back out on the streets, but do so peacefully. So that happened over the weekend. Watch this. how many
Starting point is 00:39:07 i don't welcome me anymore. See, I'm even wondering if in this new context, this new world order under Starmer with two-tier justice, if that's even risky, Suzanne. If you listen to some of the rhetoric that you could just hear there, refugees not welcome, could Labour and the police suggest that that's hate speech in some way and that that actually isn't a peaceful protest? Well, I wouldn't put it past them. I mean, we are living in the most extraordinary parallel universe when even a national country's flag is believed by many people to be racist. So the very fact that we saw protesters there brandishing England flags could potentially be seen as an act of racist rebellion. I wouldn't put anybody past this. We are truly living through Animal Farm 1984 days at the moment. You know, George Orwell, better than any astrologer or mystic, he absolutely nailed it and predicted with alarming accuracy. It is terrifying. There's no doubt that the crackdown on free speech is real. There's no doubt that the crackdown on
Starting point is 00:40:39 centre right thinking is real. There's no doubt that the crackdown on people who speak out against illegal migrants coming in boats day by day or committing crimes is real. Nobody quite knows where this will end up. But if we don't stand against it, it will not end in a good place. Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it, Alex? If we all submit, if the solution is submission, then actually Starmer has won by cracking down on free speech yes and he'd certainly love to win they they certainly they've been doing it now they're trying to scare you into shutting up you know they really are they're doing everything they can to do that now i mean i couldn't agree more we do need to with with father robinson and um
Starting point is 00:41:23 and douglas murray the silent majority has been silent for too long and i've been saying this for a very long time and you go to most town you get outside the london bubble for 10 minutes go to most towns i believe that footage was from bournemouth actually and my family don't live too far from there bournemouth has changed unrecognizably over the last decade yeah and and you know what the stabbing on the beach, the lady that was stabbed on the beach, that wasn't that long ago. And people are getting fed up all over the country.
Starting point is 00:41:51 And let's not forget, on top of all, I'm sure they're going to crack down on these protests because once they put this Islamophobia law in, they'll have the police there arresting you one by one for saying and agreeing with breaching this new Islamophobia law. Now, the real thing here is that people have to organise like the left have done. The left have got very, very good at getting around the law and they've got leaflets out there.
Starting point is 00:42:16 You shouldn't say this, you shouldn't wear that, you should be careful. The right need to do the same and the silent majority now need to do the same. We've got to learn on how they have successfully infiltrated our country and use their same tactics against them if we want to be successful. But I really do hope more people get out there, peacefully protest. Just protest. You are allowed legally to say that you don't want more mass immigration into this country. They cannot lock you up for chanting that. Let me tell the audience who are listening today, you cannot be locked up under the current law for doing so. Now, whether they will change those laws, I don't know. I suspect they will, Dan. But while you can,
Starting point is 00:42:57 use your voice, because the more people that use it now, the less likely these draconian laws will be. And let's not forget, Keir Starmer is the most unpopular incoming prime minister and government in history. So they have to be very, very careful if they want to win in the next five years. They really, really do. So please use your voice. This is a one-term government.
Starting point is 00:43:20 That I have no doubt about. Look, do you know what's been helping get me through these crazy times? Because it is tough. It's comedy and sometimes laughing at the absurdity of these situations. And no comedian has got it more spot on than the brilliant Andrew Lawrence. I've played him a few times since starting Outspoken. And over over the weekend he decided to get into the mold of that horrid horrid cretinous bloke james o'brien from lbc watch this hello and good morning well as good as it can be now that brexit's ruined everything i suppose now in a few minutes i'll open the phone lines to some far-right bigots, give them
Starting point is 00:44:05 30 seconds to dig a hole for themselves, call them a racist, then cut them off. I mean, you know, what is wrong with these people? I'm not exaggerating when I say that I'm absolutely sick to death of it. It feels like they're everywhere, the far-right bigots. It's enough that you have to put up with them during the day. But I don't know about you, I go to bed at night and they're even haunting my dreams these are the sorts of people we're dealing with i caught my neighbor putting up a saint george cross in his window last month during the euros appalling but it just got better and i'll tell tell you what, Keir Starmer's on to you.
Starting point is 00:44:46 He's got the police looking at your social media, looking at your online activity, and they'll be knocking on your door, they'll be making arrests, and they'll be putting you in prison. And that's exactly where you belong. I hope you rot, quite frankly. If they have to release a few sex offenders
Starting point is 00:45:04 or violent criminals to create space for you, then so be it. Because you know what? Hate won't win. It never does. In medieval times, people like you would have been tied to the back of a horse and cart by your ankles and dragged over cobbled streets until you'd broken every bone in your body. And rightly so. Prison is too good for you absolute vermin white working class dregs of humanity and i'll tell you something else maybe it's you who should be deported because what are you contributing that's right nothing nothing you scum thanks for listening i get that a lot i get that a lot from the behind left.
Starting point is 00:45:48 But we also have to take victories when we get them. And so I wanted to talk about the case today of the Christian charity volunteer who has received a £13,000 payout and apology from the police after she claimed her arrest for praying silently outside an abortion clinic was unjust and breached her human rights. So this has been hailed as a major victory for free speech. It was Isabel Vaughan Spruce who issued the claim against West Midlands Police. And I hope, Suzanne, this just makes the police and the authorities just think a little bit. We do have rights in this country as hard as it is to believe at the moment in my experience sometimes even the police don't know what those rights are i think back for instance to covid lockdowns um the police were arresting people for doing things that were perfectly legal for going for a walk, for sitting on a bench, because even the police
Starting point is 00:46:45 didn't understand the difference between what was advice and what was actually an offence under that absolutely chaotic Covid legislation. I've spoken to policemen regarding the Palestine marches that have been plaguing London every Saturday for months now, and they don't seem to realise even that Palestine is not recognised as a state in this country. And they certainly don't get the idea that these people might be surreptitiously supporting Hamas. They're much prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. So I have to say, Dan, I don't have as much faith as you're hoping that I perhaps should have in the police at this particular time. But this case about the abortion clinic, I don't have as much faith as you're hoping that I perhaps should have in the police at this particular time.
Starting point is 00:47:25 But this case about the abortion clinic, I mean, that poor woman has been through years of hell to get to this position. And frankly, £13,000 isn't enough for what she's been through. Totally. And I don't think she did this for the money. I don't think she did it for the money. I think she did it to make a point. But Alex, this is what Isabel Vaughan Spruce had to say. She said, silent prayer is not a crime. Nobody should be arrested merely for the thoughts they have in their heads. Yet this happened to me twice at the hands of the West Midlands police who explicitly told me that prayer is an offence. And then I guess this comes to the wider theme of today's show. There is no place,
Starting point is 00:48:08 she says, for Orwell's thought police in 21st century Britain. She's right, isn't she? She's absolutely spot on. I mean, Orwell wrote that book as a warning, not a handbook to be copied by some tyrannical government. Let's not forget that. I mean, first of all, I'm so happy she got victory because we needed a win at this point in time. And I hope it will make the Stasi, the communist diktats and the civil service and the police think twice before they arrest somebody for using their freedom
Starting point is 00:48:39 to express themselves, their freedom of prayer, their freedom of speech. But I do wonder, Dan, I really do wonder, had this been someone of Muslim faith praying outside that clinic, whether they would have had the same treatment as her and whether the be kind left would have come out and said, racist police, Islamophobic police, and you would have had it very, very quickly chucked out of court
Starting point is 00:49:04 and rushed under the carpet. Without any doubt, right? Without any doubt. There is no way. homophobic police and you would have had it very very quickly chucked out of court and and rushed under the carpet without any doubt right doubt there is no way they wouldn't have dared arrest somebody can you imagine the police dragging away someone who's on their knees praying they wouldn't have done it they just wouldn't have done it no this is again it's another example of the two-tier two-tier law and it comes to religion too. And I actually want to show you another example of this. And let me be clear before I do play you this video. I am not advocating for Chris Packham to be arrested myself. But how on earth are lefty nutters allowed to say things like this?
Starting point is 00:49:47 One here is banking with Barclays. And I suggest you stick your head in a bucket of fuel and set fire to it. Because you're burning our planet down. And it's time to put this stuff behind us. So, Suzanne, so much violent language from the left that we never see criminalised. And I'll stress again, I don't think it should be. But you get the point, don't you? I do. I mean, what Chris Packham said, I'm sure he thought he was being funny.
Starting point is 00:50:17 And most people recognise that he was being funny. What he's basically advocating, if you want to take it to its logical extreme, as you would do with the 54-year-old Julie Sweeney who made a statement, he's advocating suicide, self-harm. It's wrong. You want to take these things literally. It's wrong. Like you, Dan, I don't think he should be locked up for it. I think what he said was completely stupid. I think the whole net zero policy agenda is grossly misguided and is going to leave Britain very cold and very poor. And I think it needs a radical rethink. Chris Packham is entitled to his opinion. But yeah, it was nasty. It was violent. And as I say, if you were treating it in the same way as you treat some other statements uh i mean i think i'm thinking also you know like miriam argolis saying uh that farrah should be what did she say about him and
Starting point is 00:51:10 it was joe brand said oh joe brand said said that she should have the shade and and miriam margaret said uh that boris johnson didn't she say the nurses should have left him to die or something like that it was something about boris and COVID, which was vile. And this is the problem, isn't it? These are offensive statements, but not criminal in my opinion. No, exactly. But Alex, the problem is, and this is why I just wish the left were careful, you are opening the door up to this. You're nastier than the right. You say more revolting things on a daily basis. Be very careful about what you're opening up our society to when you start criminalising speech.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Quite, Dan. And it's the actual act of it going into law and then being prosecuted and put into prison because I've said this so many times online. I've said, be warned, as soon as you activate these laws and you give the police these powers and you give the courts these powers,
Starting point is 00:52:04 one day a government that you don't like and doesn't politically favour your opinion will come in and weaponise it against you. And that should terrify everybody on the left and on the right. And that for me is the scariest thing because you could get a very radical government in that says, you know what, any lefty that talks about net zero prison anyone that calls a a trans man a woman or whatever it is prison right that's where this could go and it's not and again orwell made that book as a warning to this is what it logically leads to it leads to more radical laws be warned do not do it i've been listening i just can believe it. I've been listening to the 1984 audio book lately. It's great.
Starting point is 00:52:47 It's great. Just as a little reminder. And yeah, it's amazing. Everybody should go read it or listen to it. Yeah, absolutely. Now look, stand by Alex Armstrong, Suzanne Evans, because the establishment is hunting down Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage. They want to destroy both men. I'll tell you why and how in just one minute. But first, you know, I've promised to
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Starting point is 00:56:16 Peterson all about that. Now, Tommy Robinson has posted on X, they didn't do this for the Irish passport holder who joined ISIS. So Suzanne Evans I know you were previously deputy chairman of UKIP and there was quite a debate within UKIP about whether to embrace Tommy Robinson or whether he should be kept far away from the party but this feels like a step too far doesn't it? How on earth can you remove his Irish passport? Yeah, and just to go on the record, I actually left UKIP because it embarrassed Tommy Robinson. So I'm not a fan. But again, it's a system. It's a two-tier system, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:56:53 If you're going to have rules, they should apply equally to everybody. And yeah, Tommy Robinson isn't allowed to keep his passport. Another VAR criminal is. It is insane. You've got to treat people equally or not. You also mentioned that, of course, the media constantly goes after him. That is true.
Starting point is 00:57:15 They also constantly go after Nigel Farage. I've been absolutely, well, not amazed because it was sort of fairly obvious, really. But the way in which Nigel Farage's parliamentary career is now under scrutiny, when so many other MPs, the media doesn't even know their name, and they will probably get away with goodness knows what because nobody ever bother investigating them until it's too late.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Nigel Farage is right up there in the media headlights, looking for every little move he makes, every mistake he makes. First criticism that he wasn't in his constituency very much in week one. Well, he had other things to do. And frankly, people at Clacton didn't vote for him to be in this constituency, doing constituency surgeries 24-7. They voted for him to shake up the Westminster establishment.
Starting point is 00:58:00 And that, of course, is what he's going to do. The media completely fails to grasp that. Yeah, it does. What do you make of the tommy robinson passport situation alex and and just i guess the overall establishment witch hunt to try and destroy this man lots of folk think it's going to be like al capone and they will get tommy robinson based on his tax affairs for example which are currently being investigated yes and they'll do anything they can to stop Tommy Robinson, won't they? And obviously they don't like what he stands for, what he says. And there's many things that Tommy Robinson's done that I find very, very distasteful. I don't particularly agree with his style of campaigning.
Starting point is 00:58:38 I think it's too divisive. And I think in order for the right to win and for these issues to be taken seriously, there needs to be a much more formal conversation and we do need to unify. But I don't believe Tommy Robinson is going to be that guy, unfortunately. What he has done for Britain and for England specifically
Starting point is 00:58:54 is expose things like the grooming gangs that really, really upset the hard left in this country, particularly the Labour Party who had covered it up for years. And of course, once you do that, the establishment are going to be out to get you forever, forever. And they're all in cahoots. We know they're in cahoots with the mainstream media. So whatever it takes to
Starting point is 00:59:12 take Tommy down, they will do it. But I think it will be hilarious if the only thing they can do to lock Tommy up again would be going after his tax affairs, quite frankly. I think that would really prove they've lost their rag. Going after Nigel Farage is a whole different thing. I mean, they've been after him for years. Of course, they famously debunked him. They've been taking him out in the press since God knows when. Even I can remember Nigel Farage all the way back when I was just a teenager being attacked for his political views. And now, of course, he is getting closer to power they're terrified it's a little bit how like the uh american media establishment are terrified of trump because what they don't want is a reckoning they don't want somebody in power that's going to finally
Starting point is 00:59:56 hold them to account for all of the corruption all of the all of the uh the backdoor deals that they've done with each other and they'll be exposed to it because someone like Nigel Farage will expose them, as he has done very successfully time and time again. But I'm not surprised, Dan. I think that Farage will win. He is very clever and he's a very, very good politician. So watch this space. But I think Farage will beat them in the long run. Well, they are obsessed with Farage, especially the mainstream media and especially this very weird show. I mean, I don't recommend that you check it out because I just play you the lowlights,
Starting point is 01:00:35 but it's called The News Agent and it features all of the hard left folk from the BBC who then left the BBC because they weren't allowed to be hard left on the BBC. So Emily Maitlis, John Sopel and Lewis Goodall specifically. And in this clip, John Sopel and Lewis Goodall are sort of having a fantasy, a dream, a daydream about the concept that Nigel Farage could be booted from Parliament if he was subjected to a recall petition. Exactly for what? Who knows? But listen to this and we'll react off the bat.
Starting point is 01:01:14 Jan asks, if a newly elected MP for, say, Clacton, who could you be thinking about? Clacton. Clacton. Doesn't fulfil his duties as an MP, i.e. setting up a constituency office, answering email, telephone calls from his constituents, can they start their own recall? Can they, as in the constituents, start their own recall petition to force a by-election? Or can this only be triggered by a lengthy suspension from Parliament?
Starting point is 01:01:39 You don't happen to live in Jaywick or Clackton, so it's a general area, do you, Jan, by any chance? Well, I've already seen the wanted posters up in clackton you know wanted has anyone seen this figure and it's a picture of farage uh and he's nowhere to be seen look i unless the house of commons acts against him and votes to suspend him or i think he's convicted of a criminal offence, the vote in the Commons would have to be for a suspension of 10 days or more. I don't think you can just independently
Starting point is 01:02:10 launch a recall petition. But Lewis Goodall is going to tell me, say, John, that was kind of broadly OK. No, no, it's right. I mean, it's just right. I mean, look, we've only had recall since the coalition government. It was something that Cameron brought in.
Starting point is 01:02:24 As we've talked about before on the show, it's been a quietly transformative bit of legislation. Back in the day, if you had a misbehaving MP, they would often lose the whip, but they would just sit in perpetuity until the election as an independent, obviously still get their salary and so on. That changed after the expenses scandal. There was a feeling there had to be a mechanism to punish MPs or to recall them but the bar was set very high because MPs at the time were concerned I think with some legitimacy that you could get as it was called vexatious complaints and vexation and you know people
Starting point is 01:02:57 trying to mobilize constituents just to remove MPs and that would make them feel less able to do their jobs properly so the the bar is very high. So you have to, as you say John, be convicted in the UK of any offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned after all appeals have been exhausted and a 12 months or more sentence automatically disqualifies someone from being an MP so you're just gone then anyway.
Starting point is 01:03:18 Suspension from the House following a report and recommended sanction from the Committee on Standards for at least 10 sitting days or you're convicted of an offence under Section 10 of the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009, which basically involves making false or misleading parliamentary allowance claims. So it's just those three. So the bar is high. You have to be a criminal or have committed serious parliamentary wrongdoing. So once again, John Sopel slaps on the paint with the biggest paintbrush you can find
Starting point is 01:03:46 and Lewis Goodall comes along with his fine Quantelist painting. Quantelist, I love that. Jan asks... Sorry, I know that was painful. I'm really sorry to put you through that. So painful, Dan. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:03:58 But the reason I had to play you all of it is to show you the level of obsession. I mean, the answer to Jan was no. No, we can't. He's done absolutely nothing. Very simple. That would see him be subjected to a recall petition. But what I find so fascinating, Alex,
Starting point is 01:04:14 and the same thing applies to the losers like Carol Vorderman and Led by Donkeys, they have zero desire to hold this government to account. So they are obsessed with Farage and Liz Truss and fighting yesterday's wars. But I think it's going to mean that the mainstream media attention on Farage is off the scale. It really, really is, isn't it? And it's almost comical, actually. And I think the British public are really waking up and realising, actually, there really is a two-tier media,
Starting point is 01:04:49 not alone is there a two-tier government, two-tier care, everything's two-tier. If you're on the right and you're Nigel Farage, you're going to be taken down by these discarded BBC presenters. I mean, that's pretty low bar as it is being a discarded BBC presenter, for goodness sake, the same people that backed Hugh Edwards not that long ago. You know what's fascinating for me, Dan, is just seeing the vitriol they have for Nigel. Let's not forget Nigel Farage won his seat, had 48% of the electorate, I think it was 48, 46% of the electorate, backed Nigel in that seat. That is substantially more than the Prime Minister got in his own seat. He only had 16,000 votes and a massive cut in his majority. So we're talking, as you nailed it
Starting point is 01:05:32 there, particularly led by donkeys who are a completely useless campaign group now. They're completely pointless. They're just a political activism, a political activist party. It's simple as that. It's comical, Dan. It's comical. Suzanne, how you know Nigel well, how do you think he'll be coping with this level of scrutiny? Because he's absolutely used to it. He'll be coping with it very well. Can I make one comment on that conversation between John Staple and Lewis Goodall? One thing that Lewis Goodall, despite his detailed analysis of the facts, failed to mention was one other thing, that even if there was a recall petition and even if Farage was kicked out of Parliament,
Starting point is 01:06:11 there would be nothing to stop him standing again in the subsequent by-election. Good point. Guess what? I think unless he did something seriously, seriously wrong that offended the wider people of Clacton, they'd probably vote him back in again as an independent. Not even as an independent, they'd vote him back in
Starting point is 01:06:28 again as reform. They forgot to mention that, didn't they? Very good point. Very, very good point. Oh, it is such a pleasure to speak to you again, Suzanne Evans. Please come back soon. And Alex Armstrong, so great to have you
Starting point is 01:06:43 back on Outspokenoken thank you both so much my superstar panel alex armstrong and suzanne evans now we have a big after show today because you will have seen over the past four days that prince harry and megan markle have been on this fake this false this phony tour of of Columbia. But the mainstream media hasn't been reporting the truth about what really went on, about the motivation behind the tour, about what's really happening in terms of the dynamics of Harry and Meghan's relationship, and also just about the ludicrous claims that they made across the course of four days. But I will, because I have promised to report the truth about this couple. So in my after show today, I'm joined by the US Royal
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