Dan Wootton Outspoken - MSM WAR OVER MASS DEPORTATIONS AS WOKE ITV TURNS ON RYLAN CLARK & TOMMY ROBINSON SLAMS FARAGE

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

The MSM has gone to battle with itself over a growing acceptance in the country that mass deportations are a necessity, with ITV in full blown civil war after Rylan Clark spoke out and his fellow pres...enters hit back. Meanwhile, the despicable and dishonest channel has been plunged into a fake news crisis after host Tom Bradby wrongly described the anti-Trump trans church shooter in Minneapolis as “far right”. In his Digest Dan reveals what the growing denialism of our MSM and ITV turning on Rylan Clark really says about the perilous state of Slippery Starmer’s Britain. Then joining Outspoken for the first time is Dominic Frisby, comedian and author of the brand new book The Secret History of Gold: Myth, Money, Politics and Power, which is released today. PLUS: After Elon Musk’s endorsement yesterday, Tommy Robinson provides full throttled backing of Advance UK while launching a stinging new attack on Mr Flip Flop Farage. AND: Two ex-GB News co-presenters, Albie Amankona and Darren Grimes, who launched the Saturday Five together, in an extraordinary race war which sees the police called in. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Was Princess Diana really murdered? That’s the astonishing claim from Tom Sykes, European editor at large of the Daily Beast and author of the brilliant new Substack The Royalist. He joins Dan to reveal his theory. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:40 But of course, Ryland is right. Especially after the home office argued in court today that the rights of illegal migrants being housed at the Bell Hotel in Epine trumps the rights of Essex locals being sexually attacked. and molested by those staying in the hotel. Meanwhile, the despicable and dishonest woke ITV channel has been plunged into a fake news crisis after host Tom Bradby wrongly described the anti-Trump trans church shooter in Minneapolis as far right. The assailant appears to have been attracted to far-right ideology,
Starting point is 00:02:18 including apparent signs of racism and anti-Semitism. The oldest trick in the book, isn't it, for a politician to create. hate about a group of people to distract from all that they're not doing. And it feels to me like he loves to throw that red meat out. But send to right MSM outlets have had enough. Just take it off them and give it to some, you know, low-life scum bags who don't want to work and maybe some migrants.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Brilliant. You know, give the bloody twat a Nobel Peace Prize. Who cares? So what the growing denialism of our MSM and IT-Vs? turning on Rylan Clark really says about the perilous state of slippery starmer's Britain in my digest next. And then I'm delighted to say that joining outspoken for the first time is Dominic Frisbee, one of my favourite comedians in the world, also author of the brand new book. We see it there. We see it there. He knows how to do this whole PR thing. It is released today
Starting point is 00:03:21 the secret history of gold, myth, money, politics and power. Also coming up on the show today, after Elon Musk's endorsement yesterday, Tommy Robinson provides full-throttled backing of Advance UK while launching a stinging new attack on Mr. Flipflop. That's his nickname for Nigel Farage. And two ex-GB New Co-Presenters, Albioner and Darren Grimes, they launched the show the Saturday 5 together. are in an extraordinary race war, which has seen the police called in. I'm going to take you through that. It is quite a story.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Then, in the uncanceled after show on Substack, this is a big E-to-day. Princess Diana was murdered, and Prince Harry agrees. That is the astonishing claim from Tom Sykes, European editor-at-large, of The Daily Beast, He's one of the top row reporters in the world. He is now author with a brilliant new substack, The Royalist. He is going to join me to reveal his theory. It really is quite something. Very, very well researched.
Starting point is 00:04:30 I want you to come in with an open mind. Please do sign up to watch on my substack, www.outspoken. It's also the last Greatest Britain and Union Jackass reveal of the week. You can vote in the live chat on YouTube now and then. Our winners will go head to head to be named the worst Britain in the world this week, straight after the show today. We announce that tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:04:53 But here are your final nominees for the week. Tom Bradby, who we just saw nominated by Darren Donaldson, for calling the trans-Catholic church shooter far, right? The MSM is already dead, Darren says. Nadia Soala, nominated by Scott Fly 232, clear retaliation, he says, against Ryland's common sense, leveling the woke back out on ITV, woke damage control. And Ed Davy, nominated by Drew 59 Blue, if you have no policies, you ride a hobby horse around a garden for publicity, you even disrespect your sovereign by refusing to attend a staint backwind again for publicity.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Don't forget the clown Ed Davy, who says his conscience won't let him attend, shafted our own postmasters. Whoa, three really good choices there. Have no idea how this one will go. So get voting in the live chat on YouTube, the results and your comments. at the end of the show, so do stay with us. But now, let's go. It's astonishing that the proclamation of a light entertainment favourite on day-tide TV should cause such a meltdown amongst Britain's flailing and fragile elite class,
Starting point is 00:06:09 and even, I can reveal today, prompt a civil war at woke ITV that increasingly out-of-touch and hard-left broadcaster, he works. Indeed, what Ryland Clark said on this morning yesterday was what the vast majority of the British public think. That's a major worry. I've got to be honest, that is a major worry. Now, taking politics out of this, let's just look at the country, Tim. This country is built on immigration. Legal immigration. You know, a lot of the nurses, the doctors that have saved my mum's life have come over here from other countries and living a great life they're paying into this tax system they're helping this country thrive i find it absolutely insane that all these people one
Starting point is 00:06:56 a risk in their lives coming across the channel like that they are but two when they get here it does seem and i think this is why a lot of labor voters as well are now sitting there and there's something wrong here it seems welcome come on in here's this is the narrative we're being fed here's the hotel Here's the phones. Here's the iPad. Here's the NHS in reception of your hotel. Here's three meals a day. Here's a games room in the hotel. Have a lovely time and welcome. And then there's people that have lived here all their lives that are struggling. They're homeless. Let's not even discuss our homeless. That people living on the streets, veterans, all of this. Now, this isn't me getting on my soapbox. Because let me be honest, everyone's going to have an opinion about this and you're going to upset someone some which way. I believe that something major needs to be done. about this the money that is costing us the the amount of people that are in this country that we have no idea who they are what they've done what they're capable of and clearly we see a lot of it in the press at the moment some of what some are doing is not all what some are doing to people in this country how
Starting point is 00:07:59 can if I turn up at Heathrow Airport as a British citizen and I've left my passport in Spain I've got to stand at that airport and won't be let in and got get this but if I arrive on a boat in Calais I get taken to a four-star hotel Now, do you have a problem with what Rylan had to say? I'd argue it's no wonder he feels the way that he does. I mean, most ordinary people feel that way, especially, by the way, after the home office in court today argued that the rights of illegal migrants being housed at the Bell Hotel in Epping
Starting point is 00:08:32 trumped the rights of Essex locals being sexually attacked and molested by those illegal staying in the hotel. But after that Rylan clip went viral, Posted. Owner, who had Ryland spitting immigration facts on Good Morning on their bingo card for 2025? The way they're looking at him, literally willing him to shut up as absolutely prices. The Overton window has shifted to the right. Can you imagine an ITV presenter saying this a few years ago? But perhaps with some sense of confidence, patriotic nation predicted, that's his TV career, down the shitter. as Tommy Robinson put it.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Ryland, speaking the most common sense ever spoken on ITVs this morning, you just know the communist cult will be typing in complaints because his facts hurt their feelings. Andrew Tate added, I don't know, Ryland. And I'm sure he doesn't want me sticking up for him, but he's right. Watch. And when somebody points out, the very obvious point that anyone with a brain is thinking, that you can't keep letting in people to take more of the native people's money,
Starting point is 00:09:42 the native people who've been brainwashed by the media than attack this person. Like this is suicidal. You can't even help these people. If you had somebody in the UK to fix the mess, they think he's the bad guy. England has lost its mind. The population has lost its mind. There's a bunch of idiot white people sitting around begging to be replaced, begging to pay taxes, to pay for other people from another nation who speak another language,
Starting point is 00:10:07 and have no interest in adding to your society to live. And when you point this out, you're somehow what, racist? You want to call these people racist? I'm brown, bro. You white people have lost your fucking minds. Your country is going to be gone in 10 years from now. I saw it 10 years ago. And if you point any of this out, you're attacked.
Starting point is 00:10:28 And you know what's funny? When you're attacked, you're not attacked online by the brown people. You're attacked by the other white people who are begging for extinction. And I have to admit, Andrew Tate has been completely right. Because predictably, the white, woke left have piled on Rylan Clark and are attempting to get him cancelled. Now, heart of that battle actually took place at ITV, where there is a full-on civil war,
Starting point is 00:10:55 and it kicked off on loose women. Now, this is the show that follows this morning. And first, just minutes after Rylan Clark had made his comments, In response, Nadia Sawala went ballistic. Well, the thing is, I am actually really worried. I know a lot of people just dismiss Nigel Farage and he's sometimes rantings. But when I look at America now,
Starting point is 00:11:21 and I look at the horror story that's unfolding there, and I know a lot of people here agree with what's going on, people being dragged out of their homes, illegal immigrants that maybe have been working there, 20, 25 years have built up a life, home and they pay taxes and all of that I actually for me it feels like Nigel for up like Trump is Nigel Farage is like sort of like man crush kind of thing well they are very close they're very close and it feels like he's following
Starting point is 00:11:51 his playbook and you know it's the oldest trick in the book isn't it for a politician to create hate about a group of people to distract from all that they're not doing and it feels to me like he to throw that red meat out and it's like we should be like you say okay we should be looking at what what really yes it's a problem you know we can't have everybody here but we have to come up with a solution for that and successive governments haven't well we sort of have to find a middle ground don't we rather than the pendulum going all the way over here and to blame our lack of a good education system
Starting point is 00:12:25 lack of good mental health services lack of good the NHS struggling to blame it all on migrants is very dangerous and I think when you look at American You look at how the Democrats kind of just passed him off as a joke all the time, Trump. And here we are. He's breaking down the Constitution. He's doing whatever he wants. He's rounding people up. I sent people off to El Salvador.
Starting point is 00:12:46 I just think we have to be really careful. Yeah, and we are a divided country. I mean, if you look at the polls. He got voted in by people who felt they were not listened to. Then today, on the same show, a woman who used to be in the Vocal Harmony Group, Paternal tried to make National Traitor Gloria Honeyford appear like some sort of far-right racist. My concern is like Nigel Farage is sort of stoking up people
Starting point is 00:13:14 that have racist views. That's my only concern. It's what a lot of people want to hear, though. That's the point. Glow, I find that quite difficult to take on board. There are two sides to this argument. Well, Singer from Maternal, you might find it difficult, to take on board, but it's how we all feel. And if your daughter was sexually molested by one of those illegal migrants staying at a hotel, then you might feel differently. But look, it was, as Andrew Tate predicted, the white, woke lefties who came for Rylan Clark, like full-time troll, Super Tansky,
Starting point is 00:13:53 you know, Carol Vorderman's best friend, who wrote, I hope Rylan Clark is prepared for the fascistic reform fuckers that he's spouting disinformation for a national TV to take away gay rights because that will be next when they're done scapegoating immigrants as a way to try and force us out of the ECHR. What an idiot. No, no, no, no, no, Super Tansky, you are the idiot love with David Ball, Darren Grimes and hundreds more. I can tell you right now, reform is actually the gayest party in the UK. didn't stop the left-wing gaze coming for Ryland. Queer academic, that's his description of himself.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Thomas Willett wrote, this is deeply irresponsible rhetoric. The falsehoods, Ryland, is spreading a design to vilify all immigrants, irrespective of their settlement status. Broadcasters have a duty to uphold the truth. And on this occasion, both Ryland and ITV have fallen short of that responsibility. Then there was Pride in Labor snob, Jamie Strudwick, who sneered Rylan Clark isn't a far-right hooligan.
Starting point is 00:15:01 He's just deeply, deeply stupid. And anybody who didn't realize that before today needs a reality check. We need to stop giving stupid, uneducated people major platforms. It's that simple. Then Narenda Kaur demanded an apology, writing, Do better, Ryland, apologize, and stop cosplaying fascist and racist narratives putting targets on brown and black communities. How dare you? And using the fact your mum was looked after ever so well by ethnic minority staff as some
Starting point is 00:15:33 sort of cushion to hateful rhetoric, horrible. Watch. The message for Nigel Farage. Sorry, Ryland Clark, I get the two mixed up these days. Seriously, Ryan, I've met you before, liked you, liked you. But your little outbursts on this morning was disgusting, despicable. You can do better. And, and, Don't you dare wrap it up as, oh, well, it's all unfair. Because if you wanted to talk about unfairness, you could have talked about billionaires not paying their taxes. You could have talked about corrupt politicians.
Starting point is 00:16:04 You could have talked about a multitude of sins of the Tory government of the past more than years. But no, you decided to wake up and punch down on vulnerable people who are drowning in the sea, trying to get desperate, trying to get to this country, and you wrapped it up as some kind of luxury holiday there on. It's disgusting. Who do you think you are, seriously? Then they started to kind of backtracked and said, well, actually we like legal migrants. They looked after my mum so well.
Starting point is 00:16:31 My parents were legal migrants. I know plenty of legal migrants. And they don't appreciate that you thought that's okay. Because we're at targets right now. Black and brown communities right now, we're targets. There's a target on our back. Two Sikh men have been attacked. A restaurant in a suspected racial aggravated attack.
Starting point is 00:16:50 And all you can talk about is, well, we don't mind them. Shut up. Seriously, do better. So sure enough, that sort of left-wing backlash did actually prompt a slight rollback from Rylan Clark, who posted on his various social media platforms, you can be pro-immigration and against illegal routes, you can support trans people and have the utmost respect for women, you can be heterosexual and still support gay rights. The list continues. Stop with us, putting everyone in a box exercise and maybe have conversations instead of shouting on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:17:19 But it still went down as a bit of an overtone shifting moment with Paul Joseph Watson pointing out quite a bold statement for such a normie TV show, things are changing fast. Although I have to say, and I was disgusted when I saw this last night, ITV quickly disgraced itself. With the boss of its hard left flagship news broadcast Tom Bradby, ludicrously suggesting the trans anti-Trump church shooter in Minneapolis was far right. Now, I'm not even joking about this. Watch. Even by the standards, we've very sadly grown used to. The video apparently recorded by the assailant behind the latest school shooting in Minneapolis was utterly chilling. Two children were killed, one age ten, one aged eight, and many more children.
Starting point is 00:18:10 The assailant appears to have been attracted to far-right ideology, including apparent signs of racism and anti-Semitism. Rohit and Robert will explain. Bullshit, you are despicable. Tom Bradby and woke ITV. So, I mean, when you look at all of these examples, it feels like our raging media is at a tipping point. Some continue to exist in their ludicrous bubble, the loose women, Tom Bradby, the Ryland Clark haters, others are venturing into the real world. I mean, can you believe even sly news seem to acknowledge the issue of demographics
Starting point is 00:18:46 contributing to the destruction of Bournemouth yesterday? Watch this. A snapshot of Britain in the 80s. Beachgoers in the seaside town of Bournemouth, a place which has always been a magnet for holidaymakers and seasonal workers. Fast forward to the final days of this summer and the change is undeniable. In the Bournemouth area between the 2011 and 2021 censuses, the non-British-born population went up by 47% and immigration everywhere has risen significantly since then. On the seafront, we find immigration is something white British people want to talk about, but not openly.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Okay, interesting. I'll always give credit where credit's due. But then on the same day, we still have its woke presenters making idiotic arguments on air like this. But there's one use of language that I had Zia Yusuf used today. I think Nigel Farage used it as well during the speech. Yeah. This idea of talking about fighting age men. coming over here. You know how loaded that is.
Starting point is 00:19:55 You know what that suggests. You know the countries they're coming from. Let me finish the point before you answer. It's indicative of this idea of invasion. I mean, and Ellie Chowne's actually not quote her all the time, but she talked about when we talk about working age men, which actually you used earlier. You said that people coming here
Starting point is 00:20:10 who want to work. That is something different. So why use this fighting age? I tell you why. I tell you why. Because the places that most of these people are coming from, if you look at the countries from which they're arriving, these are countries where there is a state of war. It is not their women. I was brought up to believe that if there is danger, you make sure the women and children are in safety first. In this
Starting point is 00:20:36 instance, it's the young men who want to get to safety first. And frankly, they have grown up in an air of warfare with a different culture, with a different attitude towards women. And yes, they are a fighting age because you can't tell me. So you don't seem to want to step away from that, do you? Even though you know what it's suggesting. Exactly what it means. But we feel there have been cases of people who've come on those boats who have been arrested, alleged right now, because they've not been convicted, of terrorist offences.
Starting point is 00:21:06 So, yeah, fighting age. And yes, sly news, we are in danger. I want to show you the mainstream media in Ireland, who actually did a very good job. This is brilliant, of exposing a so-called asylum scene. seeker for being a total liar. Five months now. Okay, and what brought you to Ireland? Yeah, we are asylum seekers.
Starting point is 00:21:34 Okay, so you're fleeing war? Excuse me? Are you fleeing war? Yeah, prosecution. Prosecution? Yeah. Where? Nigeria.
Starting point is 00:21:45 There's war in Nigeria? No, it's a sexuality thing. Sexuality? Yeah. Sorry, I don't understand. where I come from if you are bisexual or homosexual you get killed so you're gay yeah you have to take off yes and how are you finding letter Kenny are you settling in well oh lovely lovely okay are you working not yet still looking for and where are you staying it's just beside a
Starting point is 00:22:14 market against over there and all paid for all sorted by the government government yes great government Fantastic. This is the land of Tienanog. A thousand welcomes. Yes, Kukulin said come and we're here. And you're right on the Saturday night? Oh, but of course, we're going to have fun out there. You're happy in Ireland?
Starting point is 00:22:38 This is airing. And have you got family at home? Oh, yes, I do. So what have you got at home? My wife and two kids, two sons. Your wife and two sons? Yeah, the mighty Hercules and the mighty Sparta. But you just said you were gay.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Did you hear that? Did you hear that? Earlier on in the interview, he says, so you've got to laugh or you'd cry. He says he's tick the box to stay in Ireland because he's gay or bisexual, can't go back to Nigeria, back at home in Nigeria, his wife and children. I understand the frustration of Mike Graham on Talk TV, who just lost the plot at Torsten Bell, the labour loser who's about to destroy our economy even more. And if he's that clever, you know, let's see what he's actually come up with. What has he actually done that makes him clever?
Starting point is 00:23:33 What's he done that makes him clever? Sorry, I'm asking you. I tell you who he worked for. He ran the Resolution Foundation. So, what's that about? It's about raising taxes. Right. So that makes him, how does that make him clever?
Starting point is 00:23:46 You know, the guy's a moron. You know, he came over the Edstone. You know, you retire now, don't even bother going anywhere near the rest of the human race because you're a complete bloody moron. Right. You know, I'd like to have him sitting here where you're sitting, and I know that you might have to defend these people. I'm not defending him.
Starting point is 00:24:04 I'm not defending him. But, you know, you ran the Resolution Foundation where they went, let's just raise a load of taxes and anybody makes any money, just take it off them, and give it to some, you know, low-life scumbags who don't want to work, and maybe some migrants. Brilliant. You know, give the bloody twat. I'm no Nobel Peace Prize.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Who cares? Right? I'm sorry. I'm in a bad mood. Sorry about the word twat. I didn't mean to say that. It came out and wrong. I wanted to say twit. There's another word because of W and ends in occur.
Starting point is 00:24:35 I also wanted to say, but I advise as well I went with twat. Anyway, sorry. I know it's early. 651. Sorry about that. Right. Toast and Bell. What's good about Torsten Bell?
Starting point is 00:24:45 End. Anything? Anything else? No. Oh, and Theo Ashwood. Theo Asherwood, that MSM shill, he just can't deal with it. Mike Graham's frustration there is the frustration that we all feel. And what's so interesting is that, as ever, it's Americans who are waking up first to the MSM's tactics here. Case in point, as Tommy Robinson pointed out,
Starting point is 00:25:12 watch as Patrick Beck David realizes what we're up against in the UK on his show. The legacy media in cahoots with the government had the Manette app banned from Instagram for a year after pressuring meta. Why? Because they allowed me on. The Times tried to set me up and failed as usual. What I've done to Manette is exactly what they did with my social media is they pressuredized them to ban me.
Starting point is 00:25:36 And here's how Patrick Bet David plans to fight back. When we had Tommy Robinson on Manette, story came out from the Times. I don't have you have the story wrapped up in the Times. the Times could type in Tommy Robinson the Times of Manette, okay? So they did a massive story the Times, okay, with the story. They came, I don't know if people know this or not.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Instagram blocked a Manette account from being able to run ads for a year because of this time story. Tommy Robinson charging $20 a minute out of his personal coach to the far right, the self-style anti-Islam activist, and this is from UK. They reached out directly to Facebook
Starting point is 00:26:11 to have this happen a minute. Go a little bit low, Rob, if you can go through it. Now, obviously, our lawyers reached out. Everything's getting scored away. But if you go a little bit lower, the attacks they put, they created a fake account on Meneck to ask him questions and videos. And if you watch every single one of the videos, there is nothing that he says that's anything major.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Our lawyers watch it. Everybody watch it. Go all the way down. And he talks about me and Patrick Bitt David, the founder of Meneck, and he's doing this. They're sharing all the Menecks publicly, right? Okay. So the UK woke audience.
Starting point is 00:26:45 wants to get you cancelled. Okay? Yes, they do. And this is what we're having to put up with. But revolution is in the air. For example, even though the British Passion Corporation took his announcement very seriously, far more people, and I think this is the way to deal with it,
Starting point is 00:27:03 are just laughing out loud at the Liberal Democrat leader, that utter clown Ed Davy, for boycotting Donald Trump's state dinner next month, as if the US president would, even know or care who he is. Watch. We can't allow him to leave our country without him realizing we believe it is his responsibility to stop this. The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too. I don't know how they could want to stay. It's a demolition session.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Well, you know how I feel about the Gaza Strip. I think it's an incredible piece of important real estate. I never thought I'd have to make this decision. Next month, Donald Trump will come to the UK for a state banquet. I've been invited, and my wife and I won't be going. It's an enormous honour to be invited by the King, who I have huge respect for. It's only by not attending, but I get the opportunity to make this case. The people of Gaza are starving. Just last week, the UN-backed IPC declared an entirely man-made
Starting point is 00:28:15 famine in Gaza City. Children are dying. Hostages are still being held. And Donald Trump is the only man who can stop this. I'm going to laugh at him. I'm going to laugh at him. And that's what we deserve to do. Now, Dominic Frisbee is here. He is the comedian. He is the author of the brand new book, The Secret History of Gold, Myth, Money, Politics and Power. Dominic Frisbee, so great to have you on Outspoken for the first time. And, of course, we're going to be talking much more about your book and your career later in the show. But first to the news, Dominic, I mean, do you feel for Ryland Clark this light entertainment presenter who's spoken what pretty much everyone in Essex thinks? and all of a sudden, it's been brutally cancelled by the lift.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Yes, I do feel for him, Dan, and this is the problem that so many people who work in the media face is that on the one hand, they have their principles, and on the other hand, they have their career. And often the two are aligned, but often they're not aligned. And for a lot of people that work in the media, actors, presenters, those kind of things, often their principles are their career and so their principles will be whatever it needs to be
Starting point is 00:29:48 to further their career. But then I just think more and more people are just starting to say what they think and the narrative is starting to fall apart. And may I just say, Dan, just watching what you were doing in the first 10 or 15 minutes of the show, one of the problems I think we have in this country
Starting point is 00:30:06 is that we have successive governments who are terrified of them, media. And so they're so scared of the media that effectively they were governed by the media. So it's just brilliant to see somebody doing what you're doing, which is rather than holding politicians or whatever, you're holding the media to account. Because if there's one thing that needs reform, it really is the media. And it is so biased. And it's just so good to see somebody holding it to an account and doing what you're doing. It's something that we have never done in the United Kingdom, no one has ever put the mainstream media on notice. And I did when I was
Starting point is 00:30:42 at GB News. And I believe it was a big part of my cancellation. It was why they were so desperate to get me off air, because since I've left, GB News won't even allow its presenters now. I mean, we'll talk about them later, but won't even allow their presenters now to use nicknames, like, for example, Sly News, because they want to be part of that media establishment. And that's a big problem. I mean, I was literally gobsmacked yesterday, Dominant, when I saw Tom Bradby, because I'd been following what happened in Minneapolis. It happened just before we went on air yesterday. Then I watched this most horrendous, deranged video, this sort of manifesto from the trans shooter, clearly mentally ill, and I believe that being trans is a mental illness. But to see Tom Bradby,
Starting point is 00:31:34 in the introduction to the news somehow try and link this to the far right. I mean, the guy had literally written on one of his guns he wanted to kill Donald Trump. I mean, what is far right at all about this trans dude? Well, I wrote a song about this and Elon Musk retweeted it and it's called We're All Far Right now.
Starting point is 00:31:55 I love that. And, you know, it had something like 50 million views just on Twitter and another 10 million elsewhere. million views. That's, you know, there's more people than there are in England. That's a lot of views. And so the message clearly chimed. And it's just reached the point is I don't think we've become more far right. It's just the definition of what is far right is just, it's like a magical spell word. It's like it's just a way of smearing people. And literally everything now, if you don't agree with it, it's far right. But the really dangerous thing here is if all this stuff does,
Starting point is 00:32:31 not get sorted soon, then everyone will get really far right. Do you see, I mean, genuinely far right, which is why we have to deal with it now. Indeed, very, very true. But of course, with this almost warning shot of what has happened to Rylan Clark, I think it's the left saying, don't step out of line. Don't step out of line, mainstream media presenters. or line to entertainment celebrities, don't say what you think, because if you do, we're coming for you. Breaking today, Elon Musk has sent another clear message that it's Ben Habib and Advanced UK, who he believes is the future of politics in the United Kingdom rather than Nigel Farage. This is all over the mass deportation policy, which has obviously split the country,
Starting point is 00:33:31 but also split the right. Habib posted on X that Reform UK's deportation policy amounts to stupidity. Elon Musk replied, exactly correct. A similar tragedy unfolded in the US back when anyone with a child was allowed entry in the spirit of being humanitarian. This unfortunately backfired resulting in massive child trafficking, physical abuse and rape as evil criminals would snatch kids to use as a get into America free pass. And we know that Nigel Farage has done a major U-turn on this issue, which is maybe why Tomi Rob, but why Elon Musk is a bit concerned. Watch. It's a political impossibility to deport hundreds of thousands of people. We simply can't do it. We can deport hundreds of thousands of people over the five years of a reform
Starting point is 00:34:24 government. Thank you. And what's interesting is we see the Left-wing media here, uniting with Elon Musk and Tommy Robinson on the right, with the Daily Mail's, Daily Mirror's front page, excuse me, with the headline, don't believe a word he says, flip-flot Farage, reform leader backtracks on deportation. The Daily Record was just as egregious. One is a pathetic, nasty little man who will not be missed. The other is Nigel Farage. But, of course, the real story is the plummeting. Labor approval rating, from Hero to Keelow. So with Reform UK surging in the polls as it is, indeed just today, its poll rating has now outstripped
Starting point is 00:35:12 the Conservatives and Labor combined. Is there any point in a political force on the right? This is something that obviously really divides opinion. But Tommy Robinson has, in his words, been abundantly clear. about why he has joined Reforms, UK. Prompting, Advance UK, prompting Ben Habib to reply, thank you, the only way to save the United Kingdom is through Advance UK. And he explained ahead of the United Kingdom rally why he believes there needs to be a political movement to embrace the end of Slippery Stama. We all need, as a movement, I've been saying it for years, we need
Starting point is 00:35:51 a political home, a political voice for our movement. Of course, in the last election we ended up with Labour and a cabinet full of clowns. Everyone knows they're not for the working people. They're lining their own pockets and destroying our country faster than coal marks could have ever imagined. People have had enough. Look at what's happening now. Look at the revolution that brewing across Britain, even look at Raise the Flag's campaign. Labor are finished. Kiyosthama is finished. They know it. They've lost a big chunk of the Muslim vote in the last election because they weren't marching often enough for Hamas and they'll lose many more as people join Jezbollah, Corbyn's new Islamophilia party.
Starting point is 00:36:33 And that's why the Labour Party wants 16-year-olds to be able to vote. It's going to backfire on them. The youth always rebel. Young people are smarter than Labour think. But I know a lot of you will be asking, well, why Tommy Robinson is Reform UK not the answer? And as for reform, I've got to go there. Well, they were the only option for the last election, but they aren't who people think they are. Reform tells us, Britain can take more immigrants.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Net zero is their immigration policy. Net zero was their immigration policy, okay? That meant last year half a million British people left. They could take, they could, and their policy was to take half a million immigrants in. From where? Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, who knows where? They tell us, we can't deport people entering the country illegally. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are in Britain at the moment. Do support deporting all.
Starting point is 00:37:25 of those people? It's impossible to do. Literally impossible to do. For us, at the moment, it's a political impossibility. But is it your ambition? No. So it's pointless even going there. Or did he change his position on that?
Starting point is 00:37:38 Flipflot Farage keeps changing his position. It's hard to keep up. They tell us we can't alienate Muslims because of the growing Muslim demographic by 2050, they'll be superior to us. That's not objective, Nigel. Just stand up and be proud of Britain and stand up for British values. for British values. That's what we need to do. We have a Muslim population in Britain grabbing by about 75% every 10 years.
Starting point is 00:38:02 That's just where we are. If we politically alienate the whole of Islam, we will lose. We need to prevent the Islamic demographic getting to that point. And of course, Tommy is very furious about the fact that his supporters were dismissed by Reform UK as that lot. Nigel's words, there'll be more left-wing than the Tories by the next general election. They're okay with trans women, men, in women's prisons. And they're okay with digital ID.
Starting point is 00:38:35 And that really is the end of our freedom. What do you feel about ID cards, digital ID cards? Is that something that Reform UK would support? Well, look, I personally don't have a problem with an ID card. You know, I don't see what the issue is. We can all be tracked now if somebody wants to track us. And we're all discarded as that lot. That's what annoyed me.
Starting point is 00:38:55 Our entire movement, that lot. We don't want anything to do with that lot. Tommy Robinson, people have been protesting in his name. What do you make of Tommy Robinson? Is he a good guy? No. All of that lot, we have nothing to do with them. Even the protesters who have got banners up saying two tier care.
Starting point is 00:39:10 You agree with them on the policing and justice. We agree with ourselves. I'm not aligning ourselves with Tommy Robinson's lot in any shape. Then there's the issue of Zia Yusuf. And we've all watched with interest as Zia Yusif comes and goes at reform. On some days he appears to be running the whole show. And then he's busy lighting fires that no one else seems to know what to do about. The whole thing is a mess.
Starting point is 00:39:36 But finally now, and it's needed, because otherwise reform won't budge on their policies, there is now an alternative to all other parties. That is Advanced UK led by Ben Abed. It's the only party that stands unconditionally for free speech. It's the only party that is proud of our Christian traditions, culture, and values. It stands for the British people, strong borders, no two-tier justice. And if we want better government, we're going to have to vote for it. There were nearly 20 million people in the last general election who could have voted but didn't vote. That's twice as many people
Starting point is 00:40:09 as voted for Labour, didn't vote. So that's what we need to, as a cultural movement and as a political movement, reach out to the non-voters, the working class, the forgotten, the neglected people. Leader of Restore Britain, he is also pushing the anti-Zear use of message increasingly hard, not even using his chosen name. Nigel Farage has stolen your work? I don't think he's stolen my work, but I think he's a follower, not a leader. And whilst I spent a lot of time working with him, and I think I played my part in building up reform support. But once we'd won the argument and we were going to win the election, I wanted to know what the plan was,
Starting point is 00:40:51 where the shadow cabinet was, where the policy was, where the structure and where the plan was. And I think people can sort of see that Nigel's making it up as he goes along. And, you know, bringing in people like Mohamed Zia Rudin Yusuf as chairman of reform, and he'd done nothing to build reform till Nigel brought him in. And at the end of the day, bringing free radicals into a party which has effectively relied on loyalty
Starting point is 00:41:21 and long service of people like myself, both in the Brexit Party. Before that, I obviously did it in different places in the referendum party. Then I did a lot for vote leave and then obviously the Brexit party. I think some credit has to go to Richard Tice. He and people like myself and Ben Avede kept it going when Nigel went off to, in his own words, make money. So, look, I don't really want to divide what I call common sense. sense thought. But equally, I don't want to see somebody who isn't going to deliver for the people elected as our next prime minister. I mean, Boris failed us. And I think there are some very similar
Starting point is 00:42:04 characteristics between Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. And we need serious leadership that's this time going to deliver. But Farage's number one attack dog Matt Goodwin, he has a very different view. He's actually authored a letter to what he describes as the online right and Elon Musk, writing, so your plan to save Britain is not to go with the anti-establishment party that is currently leading the national polls, not to go with the only anti-establishment politician who has won two nationwide elections with two different parties, who is known in every household in this country, who took Brexit from obscurity and turned it into political reality, who delivered the biggest constitutional shake-up in this country since the Reformation, who opposed mass immigration
Starting point is 00:42:52 before it went mainstream, who is now promising to do the very same thing with leaving the ECHR and deportations, who is literally promising to roll back the entire post-war asylum regime, who just became the first person in British history to finish ahead of Labor and the Tories at an entire set of local elections, and who is just as successful in labor areas as Tory ones, but instead go with someone who 99.9% of British people have never heard of, a party that 99% of a British people have never heard of, and a movement that appears to have zero charisma and zero appeal to Middle England, all in the hope of smashing a formidable two-party system in three or four years. Is that the plan? Are you serious? Are you really going to devote your life
Starting point is 00:43:32 to an electoral cul-de-sac and a political pipe dream? Because from where I am standing, there appear to be an awful lot of people who care much more about their ego than the country, who are incredibly poor students of British politics, and who are about to waste an awful lot of energy money and time that could actually go on saving their country. Now, Basil the Great responded robustly to Matt Goodwin, asking him, we could equally ask you while you're still supporting them. The purchasing of political positions, Scottish nationalists in the party, the lying to members, lack of democracy, telling people not to protest, saying mass deportations as possible,
Starting point is 00:44:10 Islam must be accommodated, slandering Tommy Robinson, trying to get Rupert low in Kastel. Racerated, letting down grooming gown victims, men and women's prison, slandering Swellabrafferman and Robert Jenrick, a three-and-a-half-page deportation policy after how long of waiting, and it barely touches the problem despite promising to deport all illegal migrants just months ago. It appears to just want to deport single childless men. For years, you rightly criticise the Tories for coasting on the idea of who else you're going to vote for. If you don't vote for us, you'll get Labor. Well, now reform are doing exactly the same.
Starting point is 00:44:44 simply not good enough, Matt. Goodwin replied, perfection does not exist in politics. You use what you have to correct the system. And now Dominic Frisbee is here. Dominic, where do you stand on this split on the right? Are you in the camp of like, reform is the only hope? I've got this massive poll lead. okay, they might not be perfect, you know, but we've sort of got to back them. Or are you with Elon Musk, who's thinking about something with, I guess, much more moral purity? I'm going to answer that question by not answering it, because I haven't taken sides yet, and I'm watching what's going on, and I sympathise with both points of view. I've actually just finished Elon's biography, and, you know,
Starting point is 00:45:42 He's achieved what he's achieved by not compromising. He's almost autistic in his refusal to compromise about anything. And I think you can achieve things in business by doing that. But in politics, it's just that much harder. And there is that horrible expression which I hate. Politics is the art of the compromise. And I just think, I think, you know, Nigel is brilliant at positioning himself. And he's always gone almost like as far as far as he can go.
Starting point is 00:46:12 without overstepping the mark. And that's how his political careers last as long. You know, they keep trying to cancel him, but they can't quite cancel him. And that's how he's had the longevity that he's had. And he's probably decided, you know, I think deep down, Nigel agrees with a lot of the stuff that Tommy says.
Starting point is 00:46:31 But Nigel's having to sort of tame himself, turn himself down a little bit in order to get elected in order to negotiate the media that you're taking for account. Dominic. You think he has to do that because this is where I split with Nigel. Like Trump didn't do that. Trump went to war with the mainstream media. It didn't mean he didn't he wouldn't talk to them.
Starting point is 00:46:54 He does talk to them far more than Joe Biden ever did. But he doesn't accept the way that they present the world. And I think Nigel thinking he can win over the British mainstream media is pretty naive, to be honest. Well, maybe. But he also knows what the media can do to you and how they smear you and the power that the BBC still does. So I think it's a tactical decision by Nigel. And by the way, if you mentioned Trump there,
Starting point is 00:47:21 you know, Trump, Elon, you know, in the falling out between Trump and Elon, I was Team Elon, because I, you know, I'm a small government guy, a low-tax guy, I don't like to see government corruption, I don't like to see wasteful spending and all of that. You know, the American, you know, Trump is not going to shrink the state.
Starting point is 00:47:39 It's going to increase. And, you know, he's going to print more money. He's going to debase the currency further. All these things are going to happen with Trump, which wouldn't have happened if Elon had been allowed to continue what he continued. And, you know, even though Trump winds people up, his views, he's just a sort of centre-right guy. He's not, maybe on immigration he's pretty full on.
Starting point is 00:47:59 But in other stuff, you know, he's not nearly as extreme as Elon was. So in the way that Trump played the game, I think there are more similarities between him and Nigel than there are between him and the sort of Tommy Robinson, and Elon Musk's side of things. So I get it. And I get the predicament, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:18 the view of the extreme side is that Nigel doesn't need to dampen himself down and turn the notches down. He needs to own it. And Nigel probably thinks he does need to. And that's the decision he's made. And, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:32 I want to see Britain reformed and I want to see an end to this mess. And the big risk is splitting the right ends that but i i you know Tommy is full on he's a purist and you know I get what he's saying and he's one of these guys he's he's he's he's early to everything and when somebody's early to things he gets accused of you know what Tommy was saying 10 years ago is now acceptable now yes and so what Tommy's saying now will probably be accepted in five or 10 years from now so it's a very very difficult predicament and i'm watching it and i haven't taken sides and anyway
Starting point is 00:49:11 our electoral system is so rubbish. Where I live, South East London, Lewisham, you live in the same borough. It doesn't make any difference down there we go for. But that's another issue that I have. I mean, Reform U.K. are meant to be for genuine reform, you know, reform of the electoral system, reform of the House of Lords.
Starting point is 00:49:27 And again, there are some hints that they might roll back on that too. So I think the jury's out. But I guess where I think that, I mean, you called it the extreme side. I would say it's not the extreme side. I would say it's where the public is at. But let's say the online right. That seems to be where people like me are now put in this category. I think like Farage will describe me as a fringest, you know, the online rights, that sort of category.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I would actually argue we are the ones shifting the Overton window because how on earth can you go from Farage saying, you know, mass deportations are impossible just six months ago to being at that event in front of the entire mainstream media literally. advocating for the exact policy that a few months ago, you said was impossible. Well, what changed that? I believed the Overton window shift because of the independent media, because of Rupert Lowe, and critically, because of Elon Musk. So that's why it's particularly fascinating. Breaking right now, G.B. News hosts caught in a racism war as the police are called in. This is one of the most astonishing stories of the day because if you're a fan of GB News, you will know that Darren Grimes, who has now been elected to the Reform UK Board
Starting point is 00:50:48 and Albi Ammancona, the head of Conservatives Against Racism, were actually the launch presenters together of this show on GB News, which has become a real success called the Saturday 5. Now, at some point, there seems to have been a major falling out because since leaving the broadcaster, things have become incredibly intense.
Starting point is 00:51:12 And it exploded into the public domain with the cops called after this post from Darren Grimes, who wrote, my brother in Scarborough for a bank holiday weekend away. I had to ask him if he was on a dingy to Dover, but then I realised there are women and children on board. And Darren posted that with this. this short video. But that prompted Albaym Ancona to go public seemingly accusing Darren of racism, which resulted in a police inquiry. Albi Amancona wrote one of of Reform UK's leading lights is posting a vid filmed by his brother. of a black British family, including the kids, enjoying a day out and comparing them to
Starting point is 00:52:11 illegals. I've always said I don't believe Nigel Farage is racist, but I believe some of his supporters are. Cue's seemingly official interest with Darren Grimes going on the attack, writing, The Police Just Called to say they've received allegations that I have been inciting racial hatred. I did no such thing. The police themselves have said so. Shame on our disgusting media and Labour politicians for wasting police time in this way. They are the problem, not me. But of course, one of the problems that Reform UK has, and I accuse them of this at the time, is that they have been responsible for the biggest waste of police time this year, the attempt to get Rupert Lowe,
Starting point is 00:53:01 locked up in prison. So the Restore Britain leader saw all of this going on, And responded to Darren saying, we wouldn't possibly want anyone in politics wasting police time. Now, would we? But Dominic Frisbee, I do have quite an issue with this. But I'm interested to know because, look, I'm friends with both Darren Grimes and Albiam and Kona. I do not believe that Darren Grimes is a racist for a single second. And I would say to Albiam and Kona, I think it's completely inappropriate to just throw around these terms and then almost lead to a pile on. But can we just look at Darren's post on X specifically?
Starting point is 00:53:39 Could you see anything racist about that? I mean, it's sort of a joke, isn't it? It all depends. And this is one of the big... I think it's... I know Darren and he's not racist, okay? And I've also met Albi. I was on GB News with him a couple of times.
Starting point is 00:54:03 And it's nice guy. He's a sort of... It's very funny, and I think it's just a bit lazy. And so there's probably a bit of acrimony maybe there. There must be a bit of acrimony, but it's just a lazy slur, and I'm tired of it. And I think one of the things that needs to happen is we need to redefine or define clearly what racism, what being racist actually is. And this is something Lawrence Fox tried to do with his court cases, because, you know, a joke or a sort of, you know, a lazy remark,
Starting point is 00:54:33 or not particularly funny remark on an attempted joke or something by down is not persecuting somebody on the grounds of their colour which is what I think racism is the actual persecution and if it boils down to it and I say this as someone I've got two mixed race kids I think everybody white black brown is prejudiced we are all prejudiced some more than others
Starting point is 00:55:01 and we all make judgments about other people based on their appearance okay and so that's their sex their age their race we all make these judgments and it's perfectly natural to do that and sooner we can accept the fact that it is natural to do that and and by doing that that doesn't necessarily make you racist rather than i want this group of people persecuted because these kind of people's i do not like their race that is racist okay and there is a big difference. And so, you know, if an old lady is a white old lady who's not used to black people, for example, gets a little bit nervous when a six foot four black guy's walking down the street, you know, that doesn't make her racist. That just makes her nervous. Or even
Starting point is 00:55:48 Ryland Clark. We need to redefine what it is. Well, of course, but even Ryland Clark on ITVs this morning for simply suggesting that it's completely ludicrous, that there are these illegal immigrants and we don't know where they've come from and they're staying in hotels that we're paying for playing on iPads that we've given them. He's been described as racist
Starting point is 00:56:11 for making that point. How is that racist? This is the problem because it's a terrible thing to be a genuine racist, to want somebody persecuted because of their race. That is a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:56:25 And nobody wants that. And everyone knows once you have the label of racist, attached to your name and to your appearance and to your reputation, it is a very difficult thing to recover from. And that is why people use it. It's a magic spell word. It's the equivalent of having somebody excommunicated in the Middle Ages.
Starting point is 00:56:45 And that is why everyone's desperate to avoid it. And the whole thing has just got so stupid. And the sooner this conversation is we have clarity and agreement on what a racist actually is. And by the way, it's so damaging, smearing somebody. for racist you know it can take years to recover from that slur even if it was misplaced when that when that slur is alleged to somebody and it ruins somebody's career and then it turns out they weren't that thing why is the person who issued the slur in the first place not held to account in some way 100% but i think in a way dominic that's why we almost need to not give a damn
Starting point is 00:57:24 all of us collectively i mean i don't give a damn now it's like call me far right call me racist Everyone knows that's nonsense. Everyone knows my history. Everyone knows I'm a completely reasonable person who agrees with pretty much the majority of this country. But I think we're seeing this more and more because I wanted to play you an actual clip from GB News, Dominic. And this is Adam Brooks, who's a great guy, right?
Starting point is 00:57:47 He's doing great stuff in the independent media world. Actually, I was the first person who put him on TV. I convinced him to go on TV. I think he is really one of the voices of the people. And Bill Rammell, who claims to be, you know, a sort of Labor working class champion, is there on air accusing him of being far right? Watch this. Being simplistic and wanting our border secure makes me far right. Wanting unknown men to go home and not be around our women and children is far right, is it, Bill?
Starting point is 00:58:23 The way that you advocate for it, yes. Passionately. Like the people watching this show now, I want safety for our women and children. That does not make me far right. You believe that you represent the groundswell of popular public. Well, hang on, how on, Bill. What an arrogant thing to say. You represent about a third of the electorate in the body of reform supporters.
Starting point is 00:58:46 That's where you stand. If you say that, that's about 10 million people, probably. Yeah. So we're all far right? I'm talking about you, Adam, and the views that you express are far right. I'm still, with respect, I'm still waiting for one particular example, something he's said which you think is far right. You said overall his stance on immigration is far right, but that's not good enough. He plays fast and loose with statistics around immigration, which are absolutely misleading.
Starting point is 00:59:12 I've schooled you completely on three or four of these shows. The viewer's arrogance. You're the personification of arrogance. Right, okay. So do you believe you represent more? people in the UK than me, your views? Do you know? Yes or no? Yes, I think I do. Hilarious. Right, hilarious. Labour aren't doing very well in the polls.
Starting point is 00:59:32 So add up the political support in opinion polls for the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, and it's over half the population. You are so naive and so in your bubble that you think, honestly... You're in your bubble, mate. Oh my God. What's your thoughts? Politics is not for you anymore. You're a dinosaur. You're a dinosaur. You're a dinosaur.
Starting point is 00:59:52 A dinosaur in a political world bill. A dinosaur. Absolutely dinosaur. Get in the real world like me and Kyle. I live in the real world. All I'm going to say is there used to be a time when it was completely normal and mainstream to think a country should have a border.
Starting point is 01:00:07 Exactly. And I love my flag. That doesn't make you far right. And that's mostly sums up what Adam's view is that. He's usually talking about the fact that we should have a border in this country and we should know who's coming in. Dominic Frisby, your view on that claim from Bill.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Rammell? Well, he was doing exactly what we was talking about and so much of what he said was unsubstantiated and he was just accusing him of being far right for articulating opinions that he didn't like. And we were talking about the racism thing before and my song, we're all far right now. The second verse of that song is we're all racist now. And it's just, it's just silly the whole thing. And I have to say, I thought Adam absolutely annihilated him in that discussion. And the standard technique when you're being out argued is just to talk over, to insult, to change the framing of the conversation and so on. And, you know, I think Adam's right when he called that guy a dinosaur.
Starting point is 01:01:05 Yeah. We are living in mad times, aren't we? Because I've got to show you this story, Domino, which has just been broken by Gido Forks. I actually can't believe it. But this is true. This is not an April Fool's Day. the Essex County Council is offering support to staff unsettled by the St. George's or Union Jack Flags.
Starting point is 01:01:31 So let's get to this story, okay? Essex County Council offering support to its staff, encouraging them to reach out if the St. George's or Union flags that have been put up in recent days upset them. Alternatively, they could resign and hide indoors with the blind shut. the council's children and families senior leadership team sent an email to staff yesterday, saying it was, quote, aware of the increasing visibility of St. George's and Union Jack flags displayed on road signs, bridges and trees and parts of Essex. While these symbols may hold different meanings for different people, we recognise that for many, particularly our colleagues of colour. They evoke, they can evoke feelings of discomfort and be associated with anti-immigration rhetoric.
Starting point is 01:02:20 The council encourages staff unsettled by or affected by what you're seeing to reach out and offers for them to speak with their line manager, service manager, global majority leads, Antonia, assistant director or director. Oh my God. Oh my God. I mean, Dominic Frisbee, seriously, we've gone mad. We've gone completely mad. We have gone absolutely bananas.
Starting point is 01:02:47 And I love Guido Forks and I love the, He was at my book launch actually last night. And I love the stories that he exposes and he just goes on and on or that his little he and his team do go on and on and exposing these things. And it's just like imagine if they were counselling for English people at the site of a Palestinian flag.
Starting point is 01:03:11 You know, this is how silly the whole thing has gone. Although sometimes I feel I need it or a trans flag. Yeah. I actually feel upset. I call it the Pido flag. But anyway, I get upset every time I see it. I saw one of them on my street this week, Dominic. But, you know, I wanted to tear it down. I certainly didn't need counselling. But it's ludicrous. But what's your taxes are funding this? Yes. Yes. And that's what makes me despair. Like, if we were all taxed hardly anything and we could all keep our own money and somebody wants to go off doing that, you know, funding that kind of stupidity with their own money. Well, fine. It's your money. You do that. But when it's being done with public money, it just makes you go mad, particularly when we're all, you know, so hard up and times are so difficult. If we were able to actually keep more of what we earn and spend it ourselves on what
Starting point is 01:04:07 we see fit, this stuff would not have the oxygen to breathe. Do you understand why this raising the colours movement has, because, become so important for patriots? Mm-hmm. Because, you know, once upon a time, if you didn't like your leaders, you could rise up and revolt. But we can't do that now
Starting point is 01:04:30 because the citizen is not armed and the state is. And so all we have is our voice. And this, you know, this is our national flag. And I can't believe that putting up our national flag is considered offensive. That's how insane the whole thing is. got and it's it it articulates what everyone is thinking and the anger everyone feels but it in also the fact that for example by putting a st george's flag in a pothole gets the pothole fixed you've seen
Starting point is 01:05:03 that meme doing the rounds i'm sure oh my god i know it just shows you it just it shows you the insanity of everything and so not only is in a way of articulating what people are feeling it exposes the ludicrous double standards and hypocrisy that we're living through. Dominic Frisbee, you are the author of this brand new book, The Secret History of Gold, Myth, Money, Politics and Power, also now behind the number one substack for finance in the country. But what's really going to interest people, Dominic, is that obviously it's not necessarily something that people,
Starting point is 01:05:45 team up with what you'll maybe most famous for, which is your comedy work and the fact that you were obviously one of the launch presenters and this is how we got to know each other of the GB News series headliners. So can we kick off with that, Dominic? Because it's, I mean, obviously that's how we got to know each other. I thought you were doing a brilliant job on that show. and you were the first person, cancelled really, by G.B. News for comedy. And you could argue that the same thing then happened to Mark Stein, Lawrence Fox, and then my good self. But I guess your case, because it never really exploded in the mainstream media, was something that went a little bit under the radar.
Starting point is 01:06:38 but do you feel angry about your treatment about the fact that the free speech channel actually got rid of you for a joke? Well, yeah, I was a very popular presenter. I was doing very well. I actually got promoted at one point. They had me presenting the afternoon show when Alex Stewart couldn't do it, Alistair Stewart.
Starting point is 01:07:02 And I remember I was doing it on Saturday afternoon the day that Putin invaded Ukraine. So quite a big... You're like, what have I got myself in for? This was like my first day ever presenting a news story and World War III's just begun. But, you know, I quite enjoyed my time at GV News and I don't blame them for doing what they did.
Starting point is 01:07:25 I cracked a joke and, you know, quoted out of context, it could have been misinterpreted and could have led to a lot of bad fallout and so they figured it was best to just sort of quietly get rid of me and I went along with that because I didn't really particularly want to all the media attention for what was essentially an innocuous remark. But anyway, that's what they did.
Starting point is 01:07:48 And so I don't feel angry or bitter to them. I don't blame them. What I'm sort of slightly miffed about is that once they got rid of me, like for months and months, every time, because I'm like the only person in the UK who actually, I'm not the only person, person in the UK that owns Bitcoin, but every time the subject of Bitcoin comes on the news,
Starting point is 01:08:12 they always get somebody that doesn't own Bitcoin to talk about it, and then they don't know what they're talking about it. And I was one of the sort of most articulate people about Bitcoin. And so every time there was a Bitcoin story, or a finance story or a tax story, GB News would phone me up and go, can you come and do on the program and do this? No, yeah, sure, no problem. And then about an hour later, they were like, oh, no, sorry, we can't have you on. A hundred percent. I mean, this is something I have a real, sorry, sorry, so Well, no, this is something I have a real problem with. Certainly, in my own case, it's like if you leave that sort of weird cult, you're dead. And they don't want to acknowledge that you
Starting point is 01:08:52 even exist. And I think that's actually, number one, it's unfair on people. Number two, it's, it's not the real world. I mean, I got the first interview with Lucy Connolly, the freed political prisoner last week here on outspoken and GP News didn't play one second from the interview and I think it is a weird way that they act
Starting point is 01:09:20 because I think you can't deny that people like you people like Lawrence Fox people like Father Calvin Robinson people like Andrew Neal all of these departed people from GB News Alex Phillips is another great example we are part of the
Starting point is 01:09:35 culture but gb news i guess wants to pretend like you're dead yeah i suppose so so they's they kind of disappeared me a bit but you know i think i'm destined for greater things and uh you i'm never really i'm a comedian i'm not really a news person so i don't feel that bitter about it i will say about gb news though um you know they they didn't they didn't need to disappear me like that like that but that's fair enough but what i was found when i worked there is is there was no like Like, I think G.B. News, with the funding it has, it has a real opportunity to be something quite special. And there was no culture of excellence when I was there. Everything was like, just get it out, get it done.
Starting point is 01:10:17 And every time you'd go, so for example, on headliners, the set, they go, well, we've just got this set just for the time being, we're going to change the set. And then two years later, they'd never change the set. And so there was just never, you know, maybe it's because I'm too artistic or something. But I like to see things improved and I like to see a culture of excellence. And it was always, you know, I'd think, I've got a really funny joke here and we could do this, this, and it would be really funny. And it was always like, no, no, no, we just haven't got time. And so I always felt, you know, they've missed an opportunity to be,
Starting point is 01:10:45 with the funding that they have and the backing that they have, they could have been, you know, extraordinary. And now they're just sort of quite good. Yeah, no, it's something I had a massive issue with at the time. But look, the great thing was is that you lift. And then through one of those great moments of timing, Elon Musk goes massive on your song, which is just one of the funniest things. And by the way, I know the former Prime Minister Liz Truss, you're her favorite comedian too. I am.
Starting point is 01:11:21 And I'm Nigel Farage's as well. Yes, yes, you are. We're all far right now. And it's very edgy. But it's absolutely brilliant because the lyrics sum up, I think, better than, because you know what it's like. Very often comedy, right, sums up the absurdity of a real life situation better than you ever can when you're trying to properly explain it on a show like this. And something about that song really resonated. And then once Elon Musk posted it, all of a sudden you've got this audience of tens of millions bigger than any audience you ever had at TV News.
Starting point is 01:11:58 Yeah, that's absolutely right. and, you know, I love making my song videos. And I've, the last few months, because I've been finishing the book, I haven't made that many, but I've got three coming out over the next month, Dan. And I think they're the best three I've ever written. The next one I've got coming out is called I Am Replacing the Population. And we already uploaded it to YouTube. And we didn't even release it.
Starting point is 01:12:21 We just uploaded it to get it ready for the release. And YouTube have already cancelled it. No way. And cancel it, even before it's come out. It's like the algorithm just went, no, we're not having it. Well, I was at the event. It was for the, what was it, the 25th anniversary, was it, of Gido Forks, where you performed. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was an error of judgment by me that time.
Starting point is 01:12:45 We're all far right now. What was it? Because what, Nigel Farage was in the audience? And obviously, the lyrics of the song include Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. And the Daily Mirror almost tried to make out as if in some way this meant that Farage was endorsing a pro of it. Yeah, I'm probably looking back, I could have chosen a... Yeah, that was ludicrous.
Starting point is 01:13:07 I could have... Looking back, I could have probably like... Because I was absolutely storming the gig. Like, Dan Jukes, who's like Nigel Farage's number two, was going, that was box office. That was... I've never seen anything like it. It was box office right up until you did that last bit. And so I think I was enjoying the gig so much.
Starting point is 01:13:27 I just maybe went a little bit too far. Um, you know, these are the, somebody else saw that gig, Dan, a friend of mine who does the cartoons for Guido Forks. And he just said, it was the best satirical gig he's ever seen by anyone. And it's not my job as a comedian to tow the line. It's my job to be the court jester and to push things as far as they could go. And I remember when I was doing that, Boris Johnson was like applauding and he spat out his wine. And then his wife realized that he was being filmed and told him, she was literally going, Stop laughing. You mustn't laugh at that. You mustn't laugh of that. Nigel, who's perhaps a bit wiser, sort of did this. And Liz Truss was just roaring with laughter. She came to the book launch, actually. And that's why we love her. That is why we love her. And indeed, look, we've got to talk about the very serious side of the economy. And it's interesting that you mention Liz Truss, because she provides quite a segue actually. Because look at the cover of today's spectator, for example.
Starting point is 01:14:29 The coming crash they report, something's got to give. Our former colleague Liam Halligan, who's also now launched a finance substack, is very much saying that there is the potential for an IMF bailout. And it's interesting, isn't it, that, and again, this is why I think I talk about the terrible corruption of the mainstream media a lot. Because unquestionably, although you're the expert, so you tell me, but unquestionably, I would say, We're in a way worse spot than we were after Liz Truss's mini budget, yet the mainstream media are acting as if all is okay with Rachel Reeves as she drives our economy into the cliff.
Starting point is 01:15:16 Well, the national finances are in grave, grave trouble. And in fact, you know, you criticise the mainstream media. The mainstream media never talks about gold. and it never talks about Bitcoin. So this is just the financial press. If you look, you know, Bitcoin is the most significant monetary invention for centuries. It's that big. And the FT, the Financial Times, which is supposed to be neutral,
Starting point is 01:15:42 it just keeps going, no, no, no, you mustn't buy Bitcoin, you mustn't buy Bitcoin. And it's cost its readers a fortune. It's cost his readers, an absolute fortune, because Bitcoin doesn't correspond for the sort of government planning economist, world view. It's very much a bottom-up libertarian thing. And so, yeah, it's been suppressing gold. It's just as gold as every time gold price goes up, the mainstream media is because, oh, it's a bubble. And it's just so wrong. And so everything that's happening in the wars on free speech and all the other areas of discussion, it's going on in finance as well. And it's just always on the wrong side of
Starting point is 01:16:17 the argument. It's incredible. But yeah, the UK national finances are in grave, grave trouble. And actually, Rob Dix says of your book, your new book, which is out today, actually, the secret history of gold, understand the history of gold, and you start to see what politicians and central banks would rather you didn't. So is your argument, Dominic, that there is almost a cover up going on. people don't really want the public to know. I don't know if it's deliberate or if they're just stupid. And in the case of gold, I just think they're just stupid. But maybe it's deliberate. Sometimes I just think this is so stupid, it can only be deliberate.
Starting point is 01:17:04 And the classic case, the example of this is the sale by Gordon Brown of our gold in 1999 at the bottom of the market. He did not need to sell the gold. He was under no pressure to do so. And China, all the gold bullion dealers that you talk to, China was on the other side of the trade. And I'll tell you something really significant. China has been reducing its holdings of US debt, of US bonds, for 10 years.
Starting point is 01:17:31 10 years is gradually earning less and less, and it's been increasing its holdings of gold. And I do a great lot of study into this. China's holdings of gold are at least four to five times more than it says they are. And it probably has twice the amount of gold that the US does. And remember the dollar is the US reserve currency. Now, why is China buying all this gold? What are its plans? And it's the world's largest importer.
Starting point is 01:18:00 It's the world largest producer. And it doesn't export a single ounce. It's just gold is just going to China. And gold is wealth. It's always had a role underpinning the financial system. Even now, when it's no longer official money, It's still the second largest holding by central banks after US dollars. And the US dollar holdings are coming down.
Starting point is 01:18:21 And this is a story that I've actually audited the amount of gold that China has been importing and accumulating and put it on a plate and still the mainstream press doesn't report on it. And it is the biggest story in world finance. It is that significant because it's like wealth is going to China. What are China's plans? Why is it accumulating all this gold? And at the same time, the UK, this is how stupid we are, we sold all that gold in 1999. And I was always very friendly with Andrew Feldman, who was head of the Conservative Party in the sort of Cameron Osborne era. And I was going, print the money and buy back the gold. It is so important, just print the money and buy it back. And Feldman was going, really? He just couldn't believe I was talking about it. And I was just going, it is such an important strategic asset. And We just don't own any. And we're now the second largest holder of US debt. The UK is after Japan.
Starting point is 01:19:20 You'd think China, with its huge economy, would hold more US bonds than we do. No, we hold more. So we're growing our holding of US bonds, and we've not accumulated any gold. And meanwhile, we've got quite a lot of Bitcoin that were confiscated, you know, early on in Bitcoin's evolution. But what does the UK do? Rachel Reeves is talking about selling it, this incredibly important strategic asset, and the FCA has made it impossible.
Starting point is 01:19:45 Because you believe... It's nuts. You believe we should be adopting cryptocurrency? Not cryptocurrency. I'm not saying we should be adopting... Everyone should own some Bitcoin and the UK at the national level should have a strategic Bitcoin reserve.
Starting point is 01:20:02 And we have it. We've got the third largest Bitcoin holding of any nation because they were confiscated from Juddreelis early on in the career. But as soon as she can, Rachel Reeve is going to sell them. But no, that is a strategic asset, and we should keep it, because it'll bail us out one day. Absolutely. Hungary sold its bitcoins in 2017. And if it had kept its Bitcoin, Hungary could have cleared its entire national debt.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Bloody. The bitcoins that had confiscated. We could do something similar. Absolutely. But what we're selling it early? Fascinating. It is out today. The secret history of gold.
Starting point is 01:20:40 Myth, Money, Politics and Power by Dominic Frisbee. Matt Ridley on the cover says it is a fabulous, fascinating, fantastical tale told with Pernash. And presumably Dominic, available Amazon, hard copy, all of that? It's available all good bookshops. Can I tell you one little story, Dave? So I'm holding up here. I'll hold it up to camera.
Starting point is 01:21:07 You can see, actually I'll hold up this one. So what I'm holding up here is a Victorian gold sovereign. You can see it's nice and shiny. Yes. And that was the old pound coin. It now takes 650 pound coins to buy the old pound coin. My God. That's how much money has been debased by.
Starting point is 01:21:26 But gold is not just older than the earth itself. It's older than the solar system. That's how old this is. And it never loses its shine. How about that? Absolutely beautiful. Wonderful point to end on. Dominic Frisbee, congratulations on the book. Thank you for being on outspoken. Please come back again. I've really, really enjoyed it. Thank you so much. And we're about to reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. At the end of the show, by the way, stay tuned because we will be putting head to head on YouTube, the worst Britons in the world this world. week for you to vote for. But first to your superchats, thank you, Alex Marman, who says Rylan Clark spoke for so many British people on Wokai TV and said only facts. If he loses his
Starting point is 01:22:18 TV career for telling the truth, that will be a disgrace. And Private Jose, thank you for the super chat on the whole issue of whether it's possible. This is the whole Matt Goodwin argument. It's impossible for Ben Habib to do something. He says it's not impossible. Trump did it. Italy did it. Poland has done it. Sign up to advance UK now. And Didi ask, Dan, thank you for the super chat, Did you? Will you be speaking on September the 13th? Do you know, Tommy asked me actually, which was so lovely, but no, because I'm, I view my role as a reporter and as someone who is going to be covering the news and the events from that day. So, so no, I'm not, but obviously I am going to be covering the event. And welcome, by the way, to Charles Birchall and Peter Buston, who have joined outspoken plus.
Starting point is 01:23:09 over the course of today, too. Okay, to your nominees for Union Jackass today. Tom Bradby, nominated by Darren Donaldson, for calling the trans-Catholic shooter far right. He says the MSM is already dead. Nadia Sawala, nominated by Scott Fly 232, clear retaliation against Ryland's common sense, leveling the woke back out on ITV,
Starting point is 01:23:32 woke damage control, he calls it. And Ed Davey, nominated by Drew 59 Blue. If you have no policies, you ride a hobby horse, around a garden for publicity. You even disrespect your sovereign by refusing to attend the state banquet again for publicity. Don't forget the clown, Ed Davy, who says his conscious won't let him attend, shafted our postmasters. So very good nominees there. And here are the results. In third position, Tom Bradby. The runner up with 19% of the vote. The runner up with 30% of the vote, Ed Davy. But today is Union Jackass, with a majority decision, 51% of you,
Starting point is 01:24:09 you going for Nadia Sawala as Union Jack has. Okay, this is going to be really interesting because let me just remind you of who is going to be up for the worst Britain in the world this week. From Monday, it was Narenda Kaur. From Tuesday, it was Femi Ola Wally. From Wednesday, Jess Phillips, from Thursday, your winner today, Nadia Sawala.
Starting point is 01:24:33 So what I'm going to do straight after the show, the moment I finish, I'm going to post the poll in our post section on YouTube we get tens of thousands of votes every week so just wait around about five minutes and I will have it up and you can get voting and the winner will be announced on tomorrow's show but today's greatest Britain is Tommy Robinson
Starting point is 01:24:52 nominated by Matt Cass 48 no charges against Tommy why isn't the person who attacked Tommy facing charges and why has he not been named perhaps he's another member of the Labour Party who's being protected okay we're moving on to substack now for a fascinating show.
Starting point is 01:25:10 Was Princess Diana really murdered? That's the astonishing claim from Tom Sykes, European editor at large of The Daily Beast, author of the brilliant new substack, The Royalist. He is going to join me to reveal all. You can watch at www. www.outspoken.
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