Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE ADMITS ZIA YUSUF WAS WRONG AS RUPERT LOWE "DEATH THREAT" FILE HANDED TO CPS

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

SHEATH UNDERWEAR - Get 20% off with the code OUTSPOKEN at checkout https://sheath.com A sensational Reform UK poll surge, as Nigel Farage capitalises on Slippery Starmer’s disastrous Indian trade deal, just as that country goes to war with Pakistan. But the civil war in the party is heating up again over a so-called “stitch up” which has seen Zia Yusuf’s complaint against their axed MP Rupert Lowe handed to the CPS – even though Nigel Farage admits the Chairman was WRONG to shop their own MP to the cops for hurty words… Dan covers it all in his Digest. Then we hear from Ben Habib, the former Reform UK deputy leader who Farage branded an insignificant nothing in that GB News attack. He’s on the Superstar Panel today alongside Father Calvin Robinson. PLUS: A rare look inside one of Britain’s migrant hotels, as new Reform UK MP Sarah Pochin speaks out on the scandal in her first interview. AND: British Bashing Corporation establishment stooge Nick Robinson attacks the independent media, while ignoring his own revolting bias. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: We’re joined by one of the most exciting new independent journalists of the MAGA era. Link Lauren, host of the new Megyn Kelly podcast Spot On. And we will be tackling the latest on the Montecito moaners, of course. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A sensational Reform UK poll surge as Nigel Farage capitalises on Slippery Starmer's disastrous Indian trade deal just as that country goes to war with Pakistan. It means overall it's about 20% cheaper to employ an Indian after this deal than it is to employ a British worker. On top of that, there are no limits to this deal. But the civil war in his own party is heating up again over a so-called stitch-up, which has seen Zia Yousaf's complaint against their axed MP Rupert Lowe handed to the CPS, even though Nigel Farage admits the chairman was wrong to shop their own MP to the cops for hurty words. Sit in the back. You wouldn't have done it. You wouldn't have done it. All you lot do.

All you lot do is chuck bricks. You wouldn't have done it. When you're someone at the front line doing stuff, you do a hundred things, you might get one wrong. So I'm going to take you through all of this in my digest next. Then we're going to hear from Ben Habib, the former Reform UK deputy leader who Farage branded an insignificant nothing in that GB News attack. He has very strong views on this stitch up and he is on the superstar panel today alongside Father Kelvin Robinson. Also coming up on the show, a rare look inside one of Britain's migrant hotels as new reform MP Sarah Pochin speaks out on the scandal in her first interview. British bashing corporation establishment stooge Nick Robinson attacks the independent media while ignoring his own

revolting bias and growing pressure for King Charles to strip Prince Harry and Meghan Markle of their HRH titles as the British public have had enough. But I'm really excited about the Uncancelled After Show today because we're joined by one of the most exciting new independent journalists of the MAGA era, Link Lauren, host of the new Megyn Kelly podcast, spot on, and we will be tackling the latest on the Montecito. Moners, of course, sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Before the end of the show, we'll also reveal today's greatest Britain and Union jackass

as chosen by you. You can vote for your Union jackass right now in the live chat on YouTube. Here are today's nominees. Slippery, sorry, no, not Slippery Starmer, Scheming Sturgeon. Scheming Sturgeon, nominated by Darren Donaldson for standing by the Supreme Court decision and refusing to apologize to women. She said it makes trans lives unlivable. Nick Robinson, nominated by Anna Island for his hypocritical article saying partisan and creepy interviews are a threat to democracy, considering his own form. And Meghan Markle, nominated by Catherine Proc 19.

The Archie distraction photo is the reason why, while Harry steps out in Vegas after another takedown of his own family. Goodness me, that would be a tough call for me today. Trying to think, Meghan Markle, Nick Robinson, scheming Sturgeon, all very bad people. Go and vote now in the YouTube live chat. Let me know why. I will read some of your best comments at the end of the show and announce the winner then too. But now, let's go. So the Reform UK surge is on. The party now polling at its highest ever level, higher than the Brexit party ever achieved. At 29%, it is seven points clear of Slippery Starmer's Labour. And the dying Tories, so desperate they believe the return of Boris Johnson could be the answer, is at just 17%.

The worst rating for them since the resignation of Theresa May. So this is extinction level stuff for the party of Margaret Thatcher, which would only be the fifth largest in the country with just 23 seats. And yet again, it's Nigel Farage making all the running after the disastrous Indian trade deal, which is only going to encourage everything we have demanded multiple governments reverse. it means overall it's about 20 percent cheaper to employ an indian after this deal than it is to employ a british worker on top of that there are no limits to this deal at all and bear in mind that 500 000 people is half a million people have come into the uk from india in the last two years alone. It's honestly impossible to predict how many hundreds of thousands more will come on this deal.

There's been no impact assessment, no analysis of cost, and absolutely no analysis of what this will mean for burdens on the health service and elsewhere. This government doesn't give a damn about working people. The Labour Party have this this time in a big big way betrayed working britain and that's why many people voted for us last thursday but for some reason the government just doesn't seem to understand reformer uk are the party of british workers this deal is truly appalling. And I think what you'll see

is Starmer's ratings in the polls plummet further. Which is really saying something, given how far down he has gone. And these polls mean panic. Cue panic from the MSM. They're trying a new line today. This is a new one. They're now trying to suggest that Reform UK is not a new force at all and suggesting that it's actually Nigel Farage, not Slippery Starmer, not the dying Conservatives who destroyed the country. We all treat reform and their success and their newfound sort of muscularity, we treat them as if they're a new party. And they very much aren't. You know, they are UKIP into Brexit, into leave, into reform with the same leader, the same clothes, the same rhetoric. And I think that this is something that the government would actually do well to remember. You know, if people are sort of saying, well, oh, it's a scream of pain and they're going to provide the answers and they're the ones that are now sort of responding

to the fact that we hate the main party politics, Britain is broken. Well, who broke it? You know, it was Farage's Brexit ideas and his Leave campaign that shrank the economy by 5%. We've got higher legal immigration now than when we were in the EU. We've got a 15% slump in trade. We've got a £40 billion lost tax revenue. I think it's really important that we don't frame reform as this sort of brand new creation of the last 12 months. It isn't. It is the same party that has done so much damage under a different name to this country.

Now, remember, Maitlis and the fake news agents are the losers who believe that a few Labour MPs getting on TikTok might reverse decades of the population being ignored. This is utterly delusional stuff. And actually, I thought no one's story summed up the trouble the UK is now in, as Islam sweeps our nation, than this. So it's about Labour's youngest councillor in the country, 19-year-old Daisy Blakemore Creedon, having to quit after being branded a racist by party colleagues. Now, she claims that she was subjected to bullying and anti-Semitic abuse at Peterborough

City Council after calling for CCTV in minicabs, many of which are operated by Asian men. She said she was left deeply disturbed to be accused of targeting fellow Asian Labour councillors. So Labour and the left are in a complete mess as a result of Islam. And this is why for me it's so frustrating to see Farage also go to war with his own side, I believe completely unnecessarily. Prompting headlines like this in the Express, Nigel Farage's cowardice and ego is slapping betrayed Britons in the face all over again. The Reform UK leader talks tough on the biggest issues of our time, but where is the delivery? And of course, all of this, all of this, this renewed Reform UK civil war is because Farage

himself chose to launch an attack on VE Day of Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe. He wrote a piece saying you didn't deserve your victory. Did you see it? I mean, I'm sorry, you get these small, very insignificant people... Say what you think, Nigel. ..who think they're more important than they are. They're frankly nothings. There you are. Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't mind people sounding off. I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I never have done.

As long as there's some fundamental underlying loyalty. And that's the one thing I demand. And of course, also totally unprompted, Farage chose to launch a VE Day attack on Tommy Robinson and Tommy Robinson supporters, remembering that Tommy Robinson remains behind bars in solitary confinement at HMP Woodhull for a piece of citizen journalism as a political prisoner.

Were you confident, Nigel, all the time throughout that process that it was going to go that way? Of course. Well, I was confident that Rupert Lowe and the alt-right Tommy Robinson supporters on X, you know, weren't much of a benefit to us. I was confident about that. But tellingly, Farage also launched an attack on GB News on his own chairman, Zia Youssef, for the ludicrous decision to report his star MP, Rupert Lowe, to the police for hurty words.

We have a chairman who's a very brilliant man, Zia Youssef. Just try calling in the police. Do you know what? When you do as much as... It's easy for journalists. Just sit in the back of the room. You wouldn't have done it. You wouldn't have done it. All you lot do.

All you lot do is chuck bricks. You wouldn't have done it. When you're someone at the front line doing stuff, you do a hundred things, you might get one wrong. Yes. And who happens to be a member of the acting minority? That's why he's there.

So this was such a significant interview for Farage because he was targeting so many people at the same time. So first Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib, then Tommy Robinson and the so-called alt-right, then GB News itself in a clip that I played earlier in the week, but then Zia Youssef. And Zia Youssef, that one was significant because you might remember before the election, Zia Youssef, and I found this outrageous and disgusting, decided to publicly brand me a liar for reporting,

because that's what I do. I'm a reporter for reporting that Nigel Farage was unhappy with his decision to have reported Rupert Lowe to the police and the fact that Nigel Farage was unhappy with his decision to have reported Rupert Lowe to the police, and the fact that Nigel Farage was trying to find an elegant way to force Zia Youssef off stage within the next few months. Farage confirmed at least half of my story publicly in that GB News interview. But of course, we know how Zia Youssef operates now, down and dirty. So almost immediately after that interview, this story appeared in the Daily Telegraph. Rupert Lowe faces charge of threatening Reform UK chairman. Police hand evidence file to prosecutors after investigating report from Zia Youssef. Now, Ben Habib, Reform's aforementioned former deputy leader,

believes this is all part of a Reform dirty tricks campaign against Rupert Lowe. I'm delighted to say he joins me now on today's superstar panel alongside Father Calvin Robinson. ben habib father calvin robinson so brilliant to have you both back on outspoken today ben just before i get you to run through what you think is going on here i will read out what the daily telegraph reported so they write rupert Lowe could be charged over alleged threats towards Reform UK's chairman after the Metropolitan Police provided a file of evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service. The MP for Great Yarmouth has been accused by Zia Youssef of twice making threats of physical violence against him. The Met received a report from Mr Youssef and Lee Anderson, Reform's Chief Whip, in March amid a deepening civil war in the party that led to Mr Lowe being suspended.

The force confirmed on Wednesday night that the case is with the CPS, which will now decide whether to charge the 67-year-old. A Metropolitan Police spokesman said following the conclusion of inquiries, the matter has been passed to the Crown Prosecution Service. The CPS confirmed that the Met had passed on the case but said it was unable to give a time scale on any decision. Mr Lowe said for politically sensitive cases I understand that this is standard practice and denying the allegations he previously said I am 67 years old and I have a 67 long year and blemished record with the law. These are false allegations designed to maliciously smear my name and ruin my reputation after I dared to bruise Nigel Farage's ego. So Ben Habib, what's really going on here? I just, for viewers who aren't familiar with it, though, you'd have to have

been living in a cave not to be aware of what's been going on between Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe. But I think what's happened here, just to remind people, first of all, is that in an attempt to disparage and destroy, frankly, Rupert Lowe when he came out and said in March that Nigel Farage was behaving like a messiah and so on. Zia Youssef made this vexatious complaint to the Met that he'd been threatened by physical violence by Rupert Lowe in December, three months earlier, which simply doesn't, in my view, hold any water, because if he'd been genuinely threatened with physical violence, it's something that should have prompted Farage to throw Rupert Lowe out of the party in December.

And it should have prompted Yusuf to make a complaint to the Met in March, in December straight away, not in March, three months later. And so the whole thing stinks of being a dirty political campaign against Rupert Lowe. That's the only way to interpret Zia Youssef's actions. And I think caught unguarded to some extent of the VE Day celebrations on Sunday, Farage, as you played in the clip, more or less admitted that. He said he kind of gave into Andrew Pearce's pressure, admitting that he wouldn't have reported Lowe to the police in the way that Yusuf did. And then I think Farage and People and Reform probably woke up to the mistake he'd made, which was that he'd effectively admitted that Zair Youssef had attempted falsely to get Rupert Lowe incarcerated. And just remind listeners and viewers again that,

the time in prison for such a crime would be up to seven years. This is not a small matter. This is a very serious matter when it comes, at least from Rupert Lowe's perspective. And so Farage and Co, I think, suddenly realized they've got to jump to the defense of Youssef, because otherwise he'll be under real pressure to deal with Youssef making, having made this vexatious claim, which he himself, Nigel Farage himself, doesn't support. And so this article came out in The Telegraph, in which it indicates that the matter is much more serious than we first thought, that the Crown Prosecution Service has now been brought in,

and it suggests that charges are almost automatically now going to flow, particularly from the headline of the article. But the truth of the matter is that the files were handed over to the Crime Prosecution Service about six weeks ago. Wow. And it is absolutely standard practice for this to have happened. Wow.

Because Rupert Lowe is a high-profile individual. He's an MP. Absolutely, wow. Six weeks ago. This is not news. And it was designed, I think, to put a protective blanket, as I say, around Youssef, so that the incidental remarks made by Nigel Farage can't damage him. It's to make it look like there is a genuine complaint against

Rupert Lowe, and Youssef was right in making the complaint. But I can say unequivocally now, even though others in the political field are not prepared to say it, that I don't believe there's even one iota of truth in Youssef's complaint to the Metropolitan Police about Rupert Lowe. I think the whole thing is trumped up. It's all done from a party political perspective

and it is rotten. It's all done from a party political perspective. And it is rotten. It is absolutely deeply rotten because it seeks to destroy an individual. It's one thing, Nigel Farage, Youssef and other people deciding that they don't want to work with Rupert Lowe and throwing him out of the party, having a different view to Rupert Lowe on these matters. But it is completely unacceptable that they should have made this police complaint against him. Completely unacceptable. We should not deal in this type of lawfare on our side of politics. That's what the left do. And we should not use it against our own. And the thing is, and let me bring Father Calvin Robinson in here. The thing is, Father Calvin,

I know that there is no way that this case should even have been handed to the CPS, right? Because I'll talk from personal experience. I have had someone who was a genuine threat to me send me a message threatening to slit my throat. And the Metropolitan Police would not take it any further, despite the fact that I had this message and I had the details of the person, because they said at this point, there is no clear and present danger. This person would have to turn up to your house, would have to physically threaten you in some way. So I'm sorry, there's just no way that whatever happened between Rupert Lowe and Zia Youssef, there is absolutely no way that anyone could genuinely think that Rupert Lowe poses a clear and present threat to the safety of Zia Youssef. They had an argument.

That was it. Maybe Rupert Lowe is a lot stronger than we all think. Maybe Mohammed Youssef is a lot weaker than we all think. Or this could be political lawfare and political persecution, and it could be the Reform Party using the mechanisms that they have available to them to punish someone who dared speak out against their authority. You know, I don't know which one it is. I think probably Rupert Lowe is quite a strong guy. Well, of course, the police even confiscated his guns. I mean, look, it is ludicrous. And it's interesting to

me that Farage is distancing himself. He wasn't prepared to do it before the election. Clearly, he had to do it now. Of course, the police shouldn't have been called. And he has realised that. But Ben, sorry to put you through it. But I do just want to get your reaction specifically to do it now of course the police shouldn't have been called and he has realized that but ben sorry to put you through it but i do just want to get your reaction specifically to his comments about you so let's just watch this again would you have him back now in the party we've put low after all is this ben habib is there a way back for ben over my dead body well here a piece saying you didn't deserve your victory. Did you see it?

I mean, I'm sorry, you get these small, very insignificant people who think they're more important than they are. They're frankly nothings. There you are. Yeah.

And I mean, you know, I don't mind people sounding off. I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I never have done. As long as there's some fundamental underlying loyalty.

And that's the one thing I demand. Sir Ben Habib, a small, insignificant nothing who just happened to be the deputy leader of his party at the last general election. I just love it. I mean, it made me smile. At about 1.30 on Sunday, I started getting texts from people saying, you've got to see what Nigel Farage is saying about you. So I went back and had a look.

And actually, it makes me laugh. It's a bit like being back at school. And, you know, the school prefects have decided to really put the boot into you. That's what it felt like. It was like being children back at school. But I put a little video out this morning in which I just explained to Nigel Farage that all of us on the political battlefield are insignificant. The only people that matter are the British citizenry, the people we represent. They're the significant interest. And the notion that I am insignificant is perfectly valid one, of course. But by inference, what he's saying is that he is supremely significant. I think old Farage is missing a trick here. It's not about you, Nigel Farage. It's about this country. The reason people voted for reform, and by the way, I'm

delighted they voted for reform in the local elections because it sends a very clear message to the established parties that they're not doing the right thing. And, you know, that's terrific. The electorate were engaged and behind, I hope, at least what they believe to be the right agenda for this country. But it wasn't a vote because they think Nigel Farage is a fantastic guy and he's the significant individual that we all need to back. He's the superhero of British politics at the moment. Without Nigel Farage, we would all be lost. No, not at all. It's not about your significance, Nigel Farage. It's about the hope and aspirations of the British people that they vest in you, that you will deliver this country to safety from the precipice on which it now stands. That's the significant issue. And he then went on to question my loyalty to him.

And I would say this again, as I said in my video this morning, it's not my loyalty to Nigel Farage that matters. It's my loyalty to the British people. It's his loyalty to the British people. And frankly, it should be his loyalty to the people in his own party and to the movement that we all created. The movement, as I say, has been vested with hopes and aspirations. And he is now the grand old Duke of York. He marched people up to the top of the hill in 2016 to vote to leave the EU. And then he was nowhere to be seen. He marched people up to the top of the hill in 2019 and got the backing that Boris Johnson wanted for Boris Johnson and then was nowhere to be seen.

Now is the grand old Duke of York going to be loyal to the British people and stand his ground and deliver for them? Because they've voted for him now. This is by the third or fourth vote that the British people have made at the behest of Nigel Farage and I hope he will now stay true and loyal to the British people. And then lastly what I would say to Nigel Farage is his mortal toil is entirely safe. It is not threatened by any desire I have to go back into reform. I will not be going back into reform. And the analogy that he used of over his dead body I thought was rather significant,

given the complaints Youssef is making about Rupert Lowe. I do not threaten Nigel Farage's mortality in any way whatsoever, and least of all, by any desire to get back into reform. I am here on the political battlefield merely to represent and fight for the British people's interests, and I am loyal to that cause. And that is it. Simple. Can I chime in on this? Because I found Farage's comments disgusting. In the political landscape, Ben Habib contributed, and not to blow Ben Habib's trumpet, but he contributed to the Conservative Party, contributed to the Brexit Party, stood as a member of European Parliament, won a seat there,

helped shape the Reclaim Party in the beginning, helped shape the Reform Party, has been on the streets canvassing, talking to constituents, helping people with their struggles. Particularly, there was a load of contributions last year. In terms of politics, Ben Habib has put a lot of effort into helping British people over the years. So he's not insignificant in that regard. In terms of humanity, we are all equally insignificant. And I think the projection from Nigel Farage to say that anyone compared to him is an insignificant, small person shows exactly the problem with Nigel Farage. to say that anyone compared to him is an insignificant, small person shows

exactly the problem with Nigel Farage. It's all about Nigel Farage and how he sees himself relative to everyone else. I found it disgusting that he would speak about his colleagues, people who have fought alongside him for years in a way as if there's something stuck on the bottom of his shoe.

Well, thank you, Calvin. I'm grateful to you for saying that thank you very well put very well put breaking right now the woman who has replaced rupert low as reform uk's fifth mp sarah poachin has given her first interview to surprise surprise GB News which is now I think we can all agree a Nigel Farage propaganda channel but she did raise a very fair point in regards to the migrant hotels up and down this country watch so the Labour Party would deny that there's specifically an issue about women's safety due to asylum seekers in the area. Is there any proof of that? Are you hearing stories of this on the campaign trail? How do you come to that conclusion?

Absolutely. So people would come into the office, women, telling me that they were felt unsafe walking around their streets, felt that they couldn't let their children out to play, particularly daughters. Stories of illegal immigrants filming children. Really horrific stuff. And also I saw CCTV that had been taken to the police, but nevertheless CCTV was shown to us of gangs at night in these houses of multiple occupancy. So private landlord accommodation that illegal immigrants are living in,

drug dealing clearly going on, men turning up with knives. Very, very threatening behaviour in a street where you have normal, decent families. And I thought that was a very good answer from Sarah Pochin, because of course there's evidence of this. normal decent families. And I thought that was a very good answer from Sarah Pochin because of course there's evidence of this. We know there is evidence of this anywhere near these migrant hotels and we know there is a great cover-up going on about what is actually going on inside these migrant hotels. Well I Am British Real has obtained footage inside a migrant hotel. They write, this is a Marriott hotel in the UK, 180 bedrooms packed, prayer room, games, all bills and meals paid for by taxpayer.

It is the biggest scandal and disgrace of our lifetimes. we have been robbed blind. So before I get analysis from today's superstar panel, Ben Habib, chairman of the Great British Pack and father Calvin Robinson, let's have a look at this rare footage inside a migrant hotel that the Labour government doesn't want you to see. That's the prayer room in that look how we doing fellas nice hotel yeah what's happening what's happening? I'm not sure. So we're back inside the Delta Maria at former Hilton. 180 bedroom.

How are you? Is it nice here? Yeah? Alright, yeah, yeah. How are we in here is what I'm going to ask you. How are we in here? Can we go outside for a second? Can we go outside for a second? We can talk about that. Yeah, yeah, alright. Don go outside for a second? We can talk about that. Please.

Yeah, yeah, alright. Don't push your bike. No, no, no. Just, just, just. Yeah, we've already explored the building. Circo office. Get that bit. Come with me, please.

How are we, fellas? Connect Four. Can we have a quick Connect Four? Please, please. All good? Is it nice here? No, no, nothing's wrong. Nothing's wrong with it.

Come with me. We have good tech. Yeah? Nothing wrong with it. Come with me. We have got... Busy in here, man. It, no. No, no. We're going. All right. Q&A chat. Q&A chat.

All right. What's happening? What's happening? We're in the Delta Maria for the second time. Do you want a refreshment, anyone? Anyone want a drink? I managed to walk... Kardish.

Kardish. Can we talk outside, please? Yeah, no problem. We're not causing a problem. Please, brother. I'm just asking you to get a little water or something. Give me water. I can give you anything, but please outside. Let me go and get a water.

No, please. I'm requesting you to move away from the side. You are causing me problems. I'm not causing you any problems. I'm just requesting politely, you need to go outside. You are trespassing. You are not allowed on the side, you know? I know, but we're going. We're going.

We're just waiting for him. You can see we're not going in the hotel. You need to come. Ben Habib, this makes the blood boil. It really makes the blood boil. No wonder they don't want us to see inside. That is so obviously a luxury hotel, no longer used for tourists, used for illegal migrants, all young men, you'll notice there, living the life of Riley, having their food paid for, living in a beautiful hotel, playing games.

And unfortunately, and some people won't want to hear this, Ben, some of those people also plotting terror attacks, plotting rapes against young British women. This is so wrong. The whole thing is abominable to behold. A British hotel taken over wholesale for the housing of people who have broken into this country and are criminals by definition because of the way they entered the country. Absolutely wretched. We spend 50,000, 60,000 pounds per head, per annum on each of these individuals. In France, they have 5,000 pounds per head head per annum spent on them. They're kept in tents at best, and they are denied all the benefits that we give them. So why? Of course, there's no reason to ask this question because we know the answer. But why do they cross the channel? It's to come and take advantage of British largesse,

a complete failure of the nation state to protect civil society in the United Kingdom, to protect British citizens, to promote the interests of British citizens, and instead to protect, promote and house, feed, provide medical assistance for, protect in every single sense these people who are effectively criminals. And you're not even allowed as reporters to go into the hotel to find out what's going on. They don't want it because they don't want people like you and me and Calvin, you know, discussing it, revealing it to the world. This is an abomination. It is a complete rejection of the obligations our government has to the British people. So much for

smashing the gangs. This is actually the gangs in the United Kingdom. People say to me, Ben, you've got to take a civilised approach to this. Well, it is entirely uncivilised, I would say, to allow people about whom we know nothing into the country, bring them into the bosom of British society and give them the opportunity to assault civilised British society, to set aside our civilisation. How the hell can our approach and our government's approach be regarded in any way as civil? It's not. This is an assault on the British people

and it needs to be called out for what it is. Father Calvin Robinson, it is absolutely wrong on every level, isn't it? And the shocking thing is, is that it's not just hotels up and down the country now. We know Operation Scatter means these young men are coming to a town near you, even if you don't know it. So the people saying things like we need a civilized approach tend to be liberals. And it's a false sense of compassion because, of course, we all want to help people. But this isn't helping anyone. So the people, the countries that these young fighting age men come from are not being helped by us taking all their fighting age men, right? So no one's there to build their nations. It's the old adage of you teach a man to,

you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, you teach a man to fish, he can fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime. We should be helping these countries help themselves. What we don't do is take all their good fighting-age men to our country, unvetted, undocumented, and just expect them to integrate into our society. So it's not helping them, it's not helping us. And of course,

this is happening all over the country, up and down the country, in places that people have had no say in it. If you've got a small town in the coastal region, and there's a big hotel that's been taken over by these illegal immigrant centres, that's going to have a disruption. It's going to disrupt your way of life. It's going to disrupt the local services and resources in your area. People should have a democratic say on if they want their city or their town or their coastal region to become a hotbed for illegal immigration. And if they don't, then the government needs to find another approach,

another way of dealing with this. Having open borders helps nobody. Suicidal empathy. You know, the Christian tenet of love God and love your neighbour means that, first and foremost, we love our God, but to love our neighbour, we have to have a neighbour. We remove our borders, we don't have a self, therefore we don't have another.

Therefore, who do we love? It's clueless. And on that note, I want to ask you, Ben Habib, I mean, I'm just looking at this from GB Politics. So Pakistanis plan to protest outside the Indian embassy today following the India revenge attack. We saw scenes, I believe, in Manchester last night. As someone with Pakistani origin, Ben Habib, do you worry that what's going on between India and Pakistan and this potential warfare could end up being imported onto the streets of the United Kingdom? It'll certainly be imported onto the streets of the United Kingdom?

It'll certainly be imported onto the streets of the United Kingdom. And this is the point about failed multiculturalism. These people who come here and identify, continue to identify themselves as either Indian or Pakistani are not identifying as being British, because if they did, they wouldn't be facing up against each other. And you might recall in Leeds a couple of years ago, when there was a cricket match between Pakistan and India, England weren't even playing. There were riots between the Indian community and the Pakistani community in Leeds. And that was just a cricket match. So you can imagine what's going to happen if they have kin who are killed in Pakistan and

India if this kicks off in a serious way between the two countries. And I know tensions are very, very high. These are two nuclear armed countries. But we do not want this playing out on the streets of the United Kingdom. And it evidences yet again, if more evidence was needed, that this experiment of mass immigration, multiculturalism, this protected blanket to which I referred in terms of illegal migrants, but also in terms of any other cultures coming to the United Kingdom, the encouragement these foreign cultures are given to continue to practice their culture in our country and to be protected and promoted in their desire to do it is deeply damaging to the fabric of British society. By the way, society means having a unified, homogeneous culture, a nation state. The definition of a nation state includes having a homogeneous culture. And what we've done is set that aside. So we are no longer a settled nation of people who regard themselves as British

and would stand and die for the United Kingdom. We now have people here who would stand and die for other countries on the streets of the United Kingdom. And of course, we first saw that with the Palestinian march, you know, the anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian Hamas marches. And now we're seeing it with Pakistan and India. No doubt there'll be other examples that we will be able to point to in the future when something foreign happens. We see it playing out on our streets. We've got to cut back this mass immigration. We've got to integrate people in this country. And they've got to understand that they are now British and that they must ascribe to British culture, British values, British history, British system. Everything has got to be British. And if they don't like it, well, then go back to Pakistan or India or wherever it is you came from.

If that's the country and country you prefer. Father Calvin Robinson how do you feel about the risk of this very worrying clash between India and Pakistan which has already seen dozens killed spilling out onto the streets of the United Kingdom a couple of years ago with the clash between the Hindus

and the Mohammedans up in the Midlands again it's foreign wars foreign interests that genuinely have no interest in what's going on in Pakistan or in India. But I don't want it spinning onto the streets of the United Kingdom. And when vast swathes of our major cities are, well, the British people being replaced by Indian people and Pakistani people, well, of course, this war is going to interrupt our way of life too. I can't see any way around it other than to say look this is britain this is we have british values christian values if you are going to live

here you integrate and take on board those values or like ben says go home go somewhere else like people aren't obliged to be here we don't want foreign wars in our land we've had too too many of them over the last few years breaking right now the british bashing corporation's most biased presenter nick robinson is lashing out at the independent media probably knowing that his days and the days of the bbc dominating our media discourse are thank god coming to an end. Of course, where did he launch his attack? The Guardian, no less. His headline? Partisan. And creepy interviews are a threat to democracy, Nick Robinson says. BBC presenter warns, shared spaces for national debate at risk from platforms that fail to challenge leaders. They said fawning and partisan podcasts that give politicians hours of unchallenged airtime

pose a danger to democracy, Nick Robinson has said, as he warned that Britain must guard against going down the same polarised route as the US media. He said the shared enemy, fellas, are the backers of partisan news, the backers of soft, creepy, chummy interviews on favoured networks or favoured platforms, the people who want to avoid scrutiny altogether and just broadcast a speech or an interview on YouTube or their social media channel. Britain could easily go down the route of the United States in which people are shoved into partisan silos. It's a danger, not because it's a threat to the BBC. It's about democracy. Is there a shared space for a national debate? People might shout at the radio and television asking, why didn't you ask that? Or you should have been harder? Or why are you so rude to my guy?

But you see people who want control over your lives quizzed and questioned, challenged and tested and held to account. That's what matters, not the format. Now, of course, this is a completely delusional argument from Nick Robinson, because for years, for years and years and years, we have had to put up on the right, if we are a Brexiteer, for example. If we are someone who supports Tommy Robinson, we have had to put up with being derided, hected, bullied, called racist, and attacked during mainstream media interviews, most specifically on the British Bashing Corporation. And the problem is, this isn't an equal playing field, because let me tell you, Nick Robinson gives the kid glove treatments when he's speaking to

Slippery Starmer, or Wes Streetine, or Angela Rayner, or Rachel from Accounts. Yet I'm going to show you now how he treats prominent figures on the right. Then we'll get analysis from former Reform UK deputy leader Ben Habib, now chairman of the Great British Pack, and Father Calvin Robinson, host of Common Sense Crusade on the Lotus Eaters. So let me show you Nick Robinson being balanced with Nigel Farage. I don't know what this is about. Politics again.

I know you've run seven times and lost seven times, but you... I'm really not going to have this. I'm sick to death of your condescending tone. It's about time for... I was teasing you, Mr Farage. I was teasing you. Actually, you weren't. What you should say to people is,

you're the only person in British history who's won two national elections leading two different parties. Let's try that aside. Are you coming back then, given your previous success? If you're on benefits now and you go to work and work more than 16 hours a week, you're worse off. I still don't know where the money's coming from. Well, number one, we will get people off the unemployment register.

I'm not going to raise you £140 billion a year. You know I'm a celebrity. You should have been on Fantasy Island. I get out of it. These figures are nonsense and you know they're nonsense. I'll tell you what is nonsense. Real nonsense. The Labour and Conservative net zero policies. And why are we not debating it?

You have made that point very clearly, and I'm going to make it new one. That is going to change. That is going to change, and it's going to be a good thing. Stop talking. We are going to have questions and answers, not where you merely talk, if you wouldn't mind.

When you put in the name Robert Jenrick, grooming, no mention. Grooming gang, no mention. Nick, I wrote about this last year. No mention. Alden, no mention. Rochdale, no mention. Child sexual abuse, no mention, Mr Jenrick. Child rape, no mention.

You have not raised, or have you? Please correct me if my search is wrong. The issue of mass gang rape and child sex abuse that you are so energised about, you have no evidence you raised it as a minister and no evidence that you've raised it in the House of Commons. Nick, I wrote about this last year and was criticised by the media for doing so. So, Father Calvin Robinson, I would put it to you that the only person who is partisan and creepy is Nick Robinson and his ilk. And he is absolutely terrified that the British bashing corporation, that the mainstream media are losing the control that they have had over the narrative for so long and it cannot come soon enough.

They are. The BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Sly News, they're all on the same bandwagon. They all have the same approved narrative. They all took the same funding from the government over Covid. And so these people have an agenda and anyone who speaks out against that agenda disrupts them. And so when we have the independent media actually questioning government ministers and holding the powers that be to account it makes the mainstream media or the legacy media look weak which is why they hate us i don't know if nick robinson's ever been to america but to say people will be shoved into partisan silos like they are in america actually it's the exact opposite one of the reasons i'm over here is because under the law of the land the second amendment we have free speech in this country. So people from the left and the right and anywhere in between

can say whatever they like. In the United Kingdom, there are 30 arrests every single day for Facebook posts, Twitter comments or X posts. Like social media has become policed by the law of the land. And it's only one particular demographic.

It's only people from the right or central right of politics that get a knock on the door by seven policemen saying, did you post this comment on Facebook that people might find offensive? That is not a land of free speech. And so people are pushed, people are shoved into partisan silos. If they're conservative in Britain, unfortunately, I mean, you've had so many people on your show,

I've had people on my show that have been arrested, that have had the knock on the door and told they'll never see their dog again. They'll never have the same relationship with their loved ones again. They're going to be persecuted and prosecuted and it's going to be end of the life as they know it. For what? For a retweet. There are partisan silos that exist in the United Kingdom and it's because of people like Nick Robinson and their partisan views that anyone who has a different opinion opinion anyone who has a different voice should be silenced to say shut up stop talking to boris johnson i mean they are well and also he'd never say it to kia starmer

but the thing has been habib i think where he's fundamentally missed the point is that actually these interviews that he calls creepy and partisan are actually the interviews where you find out the most so joe rogers interview with uh donald trump before the last u.s election and his interview with jd vance were absolutely seminal now on a smaller scale i would argue in our country an interview that quite recently exposed Nigel Farage for moving to the centre on a lot of his positions was with Stephen Edgington of GB News, who does these brilliant long form interviews on YouTube. So it's not what is the Ofcom regulated content that you actually see on GB News. It's something that he

does online. And actually, he's far too good for GB News, but that's a whole other story. I'll put that to one side. But it was in that interview where he really pushed Nigel Farage on the issue of mass deportations and trapped Nigel Farage into admitting that he had absolutely no intention of dealing with mass deportations. He said that they were impossible. Likewise, Winston Marshall, on his long-form interview with Nigel Farage, that was where Farage admitted that Reform UK, or in his view, Reform UK needed the Muslim vote to be successful. Now, what's interesting to me is that that's the reason why Nigel Farage,

and you will have noticed this, is not popping up in the independent media anymore. His advisors have admitted to me that is the strategy because they're too nervous. And that's the irony, isn't it? That actually it's much more dangerous for Nigel Farage to sit in a long-form interview in the independent media space than hected by the BBC or Sly News or Channel 4 News. I couldn't agree more. All the clips you played there with Nick Robinson haranguing his guests didn't reveal anything. There was just him haranguing his guests and his guests trying to survive the experience. Whereas when I come on a show like this with you, Dan, or I go on with Winston Marshall or, you know, any one of these great interviewers, I get comfortable and I speak my

mind and I speak at length and you don't interrupt me so I can develop my theme. And people can then see what it is that Ben Habib really believes in and what my sort of political philosophy is. And through revealing that, people can then decide whether or not they wish to follow that brand of politics. If you just have a combative interview, interviewee process, you reveal nothing. And everyone just retreats back completely uninformed. And they're much better. And as you point out it people are more likely to discredit themselves if they're allowed to speak freely because that's when they do it comfortably and they show themselves and so if you and this is of course one of the biggest arguments in favor of

free speech is if you allow people to speak freely even people whose views you despise, you are more likely to make sure that they don't hold office, that they don't command government and so on. And so it's important that you have these independent channels, if the independent channels are the only ones that will allow people to speak. And it's all about freedom of speech. So I commend you, Dan. And I think I said to you last night when we were texting i said what a brilliant job you do uh you know with these shows and absolutely you do i wasn't just blowing smoke up your proverbial backside i was i mean it because you know and i appreciate that and i mean i i would argue that what i'm trying to do is give an independent daily news platform in the United Kingdom.

But I also think the long form interview shows are really, really important. And I found it absolutely fascinating, Father Calvin, when this source very close to Nigel Farage told me, there's no way. There's no way he would sit down with you. Because they were so burned by what happened in that Stephen Edgington interview, because it has been so damaging for Nigel on the right questions, even if they're on the right themselves. In the independent media, they want to get answers. They want to get truth. Whereas we don't see this from the left. They're propagandists. So if Nick Robinson has a politician on that he supports, such as a Labour politician,

he will give them much less of a hard time than he would give Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage. This is one of the reasons people are turning to the independent media, because they know there's an integrity there you don't get in the legacy media. You know, if I sit down with Reform, Reclaim, UKIP, Heritage, it doesn't matter. I'm going to want to get to the truth of the matter, the crux of the matter, because I'm a British voter and I care about my country.

Whereas lots of the so-called journalists in the mainstream media are actually activists from the left wing of politics. And they don't care about the truth. They don't care about the country. They care about winning because they care about power and influence and this is one of the reasons that the BBC needs defunding because all the people on there are peddling their own agenda peddling the approved narrative and it's all about the BBC's influence over the British people which has held for a long time and thank god it's now losing that grip. And it is worth pointing out actually I'm not going to take credit for this. It was World by Wolf who does some brilliant work on X, who just compared and contrast the way that you answered, Ben Habib, the mass deportation question with Stephen Edgerton

compared to how Nigel Farage answered it. So let's look at Farage first. About hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are in Britain at the moment. Do you support deporting all of those people? It's impossible to do. Literally impossible to do. For us, at the moment, it's a political impossibility. But is it your ambition? No. So it's pointless even going there. So it's a rhetorical problem? It's a political impossibility. We simply can't do it. From a demographic demographic perspective if you look at immigration levels the white population in britain is declining as a percentage and will likely become a minority within our life or maybe in my lifetime i don't know yeah um for you minority in london

right and in birmingham and other places leester. Is that a problem for you? Is that something that you're concerned about? The rate of demographic change is of massive concern to me. Fascinating, isn't it? Because you can see, thanks to those long-form interviews, we're able to compare and contrast directly very important differences in terms of how our politicians want to deal with these issues, Calvin. It is. And again, it gets back down to the truth. What's

the truth of the matter? Do the politicians we have want to make a difference to our country? Do they want to close the borders? Do they want to fight that fight that will be incredibly difficult against the mechanisms of the civil service and the other politicians in Parliament? Or do they want to sit on those nice green seats until they can sit on the red seats and get the luxury life? That's not fair. A seamless transition from the green to the red.

But Ben Habib, one thing I've noticed, and I'm interested in your take on it, and it has, I guess, come at quite a personal cost to you in a way. One issue I think we have in the UK, and I do want to be very clear, I'm not attacking these individuals because I think a lot of these individuals are brilliant and I have them on Outspoken often. But I do think there's a real blurring of the lines at the moment between commentators who claim to be independent when really they are effectively Reform UK party supporters. Now, some people would call them propagandists. Some people would call them shills. But let's just say they are Reform UK supporters. So at times they feel like they have to defend the indefensible. And I think there's a real blurring of those boundaries because while I am absolutely someone who voted for Reform UK at the last election, I'm clearly on the right of politics. I'm very honest with my audience about how I'm feeling and about who I'm going to vote for and about this is why I voted for Boris Johnson.

And this is why I voted for Liz Truss. And this is why I supported Nigel Farage. But I'm not trying to run for Reform UK, Ben Habib. I never want to work for Reform UK. I never want to be an MP. And this is what concerns me because I think we're seeing some people, especially when it came to the situation with you and with Rupert Lowe, where they are peddling a party position rather than giving independent analysis. polite and congenial with me for many years, whom I'd campaigned with, etc., and had interviewed me on the media, had been incredibly friendly and supportive. And then as soon as I was critical of Reform UK or Farage, my God, what I got from them was

really quite remarkable. But so be it be it, you know, that's, I will even go on the BBC though, Dan, I'll do whatever I need to, I'll take any format of interview in order to allow myself the best opportunity to reveal my political philosophy and what I believe this country needs, because, you know, you've just got to do that.

So- No, no, and I have no issue with that. And actually, by the way, I have no issue with someone like Darren Grimes, who is very open about the fact that, yes, he's in the independent media space, but he's now a Reform UK councillor, right? He's not trying to hide that. going to be honest about it. I would question someone like Matt Goodwin, for example, who is presenting himself in a lot of ways on his sub stack or on his GB News show as someone who is an independent journalist in a way or an independent commentator, when my understanding is actually he is effectively really wanting to become part of the party, you know, wanting to be an MP. And that's where I have an issue. I don't mind the people who are honest about it. You know, if you're a Reform UK member and you believe in Reform UK and you're going to support Reform UK regardless, I'm absolutely fine

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on the British Batching Corporation, the BBC, where Prince Harry was so nuts, he even seemed to suggest that the government is conspiring with the royal family to try and kill him. So the BBC has had to apologise for its biased coverage, and I'll come to that in just a moment. But first, this bombshell poll which reveals most Brits say strip Harry and Meghan of their HRH titles, and the Find Out Now survey is massively conclusive. This is no longer a close call. Should Prince Harry and Meghan be formally stripped of their titles? 67% say yes, 33% say no. Who do you support in Harry's row with the King? 64% say Charles, 36% say Harry.

Now, it's no surprise, given that in the interview, Harry, one of the most privileged men in the world who had every benefit in life provided to him by the British state and by his birthright, claimed that he is now the victim of an establishment stitch-up? I have had it described to me, once people knew about the facts, that this is a good old-fashioned establishment stitch-up. And that's utterly nuts. Utterly nuts. So let me bring in my superstar panel, Father Calvin Robinson, host of Common Sense Crusade on LotusEaters.com, and Ben Habib, the chairman of the Great British

Pack. Father Calvin, enough is enough, isn't it? I know this is a very emotionally difficult situation for King Charles, given his cancer battle and given the fact that he remains, I guess, upset about this estrangement from his son. But Prince William is feeling none of this and is putting in place plans to strip Harry and Meghan of their titles the moment he becomes king. Isn't the question, though, for Charles, given that this is becoming more egregious, more embarrassing for the royal family, more damaging, actually, for Brand Britain. Can he really afford to wait? Doesn't action need to be taken now?

I don't think there's anything the king can do. I think if the king attempts to strip them of their licenses, sorry, their titles now, it will cause more drama than it's worth. He should have stripped them when they left the country in 2020, to be honest with you. When the king passes away and Prince William takes over, that might be a new transitional period. So that might be a perfect time to do it, to remove them of their titles, which they should

no longer hold because they're not working royals and they are celebrities in, well said, they're celebrities in LA. But absolutely, they should have their titles gone. But I don't think now is the right time for the King to do it, to be honest with you. Ben Habib, how do you feel about this one? Because of course it is difficult in the sense that it would require an act of parliament, but this is not going away. And the problem is every time Harry and Meghan do something more ridiculous, the public become increasingly angry. And there is an insanity, is there not, in the fact that we have someone in our line of succession, that we have someone who is still able to use their HRA title despite the

agreed with Queen Elizabeth II, who hates our country, who hates our people, who's claimed we're all racist Brexiteers. Seriously, that's what he said in the Netflix documentary. And who has two children, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, in the line of succession, yet he will not allow them to visit the United Kingdom. I'm sorry, I believe, as a monarchist, this starts to become untenable. Well, if it's an establishment stitch-up,

I'd like to be stitched up in the way he's been stitched up all his life. All the privilege, richness, and then opportunities, entitlement, et cetera, he's had, he should be extremely grateful. I mean, I think I agree with Calvin, any attempt now to strip him of his title would just put more fuel on the fire and would give him greater cause to complain that he's, you know, woe betide me, I've been treated so badly, etc, etc. In a way, I wish we could just ignore Harry. And I agree with you, though, he does seem to hold the country, his family, the people in contempt. But of course, he's not alone. There's so many people on the public stage.

Keir Starmer, for one, who I think he ticks those boxes. And by that measure, he should be strict of his prime ministerial position. You know, here we are. We just have to see what the future holds. But the thing is, he has, Father Calvin, been really resentful, it feels like, of England and the English people for a long time? Like, look at this. You know, it's something I'd love to do. And now I've had the chance once.

I suppose I've got quite into it. And at the end of the day, if you join the army, you're expected on operations. I don't want to sit around at Windsor because I just generally don't like England that much and you know it's nice to be away from all the press and the papers and the general shite that they write. You know home for me now is you know for the time being it's in the States and it really and it feels that way as well. Yeah we've been welcomed with open arms um and it's got such a great community up in santa barbara so so you feel like that's home more for you yeah is that weird to say no but i'm sure it'll become a thing and he slagged off england again father calvin in the bbc interview

and now it's good to see the king so well Sorry, Father Calvin. No, no problem. I mean, if he's not comfortable in the United Kingdom anymore and he's happier up in Santa Barbara with his LA friends, maybe he should stay there, seek residency. Maybe he should renounce his title, actually. Maybe he should do the honorable thing and say, you know, I'm no longer working as a royal.

I don't need to sustain these titles. I'm going to build my own legacy. I'm going to create my own brand. And they've got their own little label going on with their podcasts and whatever. Focus on that. But I think you're right in that, or what Ben was right in that,

we need to just ignore Harry and Meghan now. And I think that's what the King should do. That's what Prince William should do for the time being, because every single time they pop their heads up, they make matters worse. And so if we just say, well, you can just keep yelling in the wind as long as you like, you're not going to have any impact on our country anymore, then they lose all influence. They don't have any influence here in America. No one particularly cares about what they're doing. There was a bit of excitement when they first came out because they were royals, but then everyone just kind of got bored of them. And so there's this hatred for them in the UK, there's apathy for them in the US. So what's left, really? I don't know.

Well, what's interesting to me, though, is that we are starting to see more mainstream political criticism of Harry and Meghan. So Douglas Murray and Nigel Farage have both spoken out after the Prince Harry interview. Now, given Nigel Farage is currently the bookie's favourite to be the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, I found his comments on GBb news particularly interesting watch this a night of good to see the king so well or apparently so it's good to see the king here yeah um i i understand the treatment he's undergoing is pretty intense yeah sure that's right. He's putting a very very brave face on it And it was why the comments from his youngest son the other day was so, so inappropriate. So inappropriate Yeah, unnecessary and why and the king had spoken last week Yeah, quite movingly. He did about what it was like to have cancer to have serious cancer yes say look you know it happens to me it happens to you it it it and i thought yeah

absolutely and i thought that uh that was of all the things that harry said that was the one that i thought was the most upsetting it's another sign why the king and his son other son can never trust harry never ever again no there's no conversation they can ever have because it'll be on netflix Sign why the king and his son, other son, can never trust Harry. Never. Never again. No, there's no conversation they can ever have with him. Because he'll be on Netflix. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This really interested me, Ben Habib.

I mean, I know you can argue Nigel Farage doesn't do things by the book. And he did choose to raise Prince Harry and those comments himself. But it's something that senior British politicians have always tried to keep away from. Yeah. And, you know, this is, of course, one of Nigel's greatest strengths. He's prepared to, on occasion, discuss things that other people aren't and they're good on him. And it is a topic that I think probably if you are prime minister, you do need to have a view on. I don't think it's right that people should shy away from it. And while we're at it, perhaps we should discuss, particularly I'd be interested in Calvin's views, you know, the king's position itself, because he is the head of the church.

He's the constitutional head of this country. And it seems to me he himself is diluting his own position down um you know claiming i think almost that he's head of a multi-faced society and uh you know that's not where we're at and well the whole thing seems to be more interested at the moment and by the way i i always say huge sympathy at the moment for King Charles's cancer battle. But I think you're right, Ben. We can't ignore the fact, and Father Kelvin, feel free to weigh in, but we can't ignore the fact that he seems to be pushing Islam more than he is Christianity at the moment.

Indeed. And we had Shrove Tuesday, Ash Wednesday. We had the whole of Lent. And we had nothing from the king. We had a really lukewarm message on Easter, which even mentioned Judaism and Islam in the message for the Christian highlight of the Christian year, the biggest holy day, the biggest holiday of the Christian year. It mentions two other faiths in it. On the alternative side of things, throughout Ramadan, there were mentions of iftar that the king was seen creating little iftar gifts and you know feast breaking gifts of dates and stuff and the

message was constant on Islam throughout that period so it was really again two-tiered as we see with many things from the establishment of the UK and this is wrong because the the king is the head of the Church of England he is the supreme governor of the Church of England. He does swear an allegiance to the Christian God, to Jesus Christ, in his coronation. He swears to be the Protestant Anglican king of England and the Presbyterian king of Scotland. And so he should be pushing, he should be proselytizing the message of Christianity. He should be saying there is one truth to Christianity. He should not be saying there are multiple truths

or there are multiple gods or multiple ways of worshiping God. That's just not our way. And people that want to say, well, we're a liberal secular society, you may want that to be true, but it's not technically true. Just as I wouldn't expect an imam or a faith leader in an Islamic country to be saying, bringing Easter or Christ into their Ramadan message. an imam or a faith leader in an islamic country to be saying oh you know bringing bringing easter or christ into their ramadan message it just wouldn't make sense in the context so if the

king cannot be explicitly christian if he cannot fulfill his role and his oaths he should abdicate actually but the problem is i don't think prince william would be any better you know i've been a royalist and a monarchist my whole life uh this last year, I've resigned as patron of the Royalist Society because I find it incredibly difficult to support these Windsors, these Saxburg family. I don't think they inhabit anymore what it means to be a Christian king. Well, Prince William, Ben Habib, has made it clear that he's not a particularly religious guy,

which is obviously quite awkward, given the fact that he is going to become the head of the Church of England relatively soon. And it was something I think that his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II, was always concerned about. Yeah, I mean, I think it's very, very sad that the head of the Church of England, the constitutional head of this country, has turned his back on the history and importance of his constitutional position. I think it's terribly, terribly sad. What hope can we have of restoring the United Kingdom to its right constitutional, political, cultural position if the head of the country doesn't understand what it means, it's very

difficult. And, you know, I think we need to have this conversation, because if we are in it for restoring the country, and I believe Father Calvin and I are both in it for restoring the country, then I think we've got to be brave and challenge these issues. I, too, for many, many years had my doubts about Charles, never voiced them because I basically I'm a monarchist. I believe in the, you know, the constitutional construct of the United Kingdom. And I didn't want to rock the constitutional boat. But, you know, he's doing insane things now, which I find absolutely irreconcilable with his position. And so I don't know how we get back to a position of stability,

particularly if Prince William is going to pick up the same chalice and go with it. We need them at the very least to understand the importance of their own position. The issue with the Prince Harry interview with the BBC is the fact that just like with Oprah Winfrey, he made a whole load of fanciful claims, many of which could not be backed up by any evidence, many of which were conspiratorial at best. And of course, as ever with the BBC, they decided because he's their guy, he's their woke prince, to give him a completely clear ride with no challenging and no wider challenging in the coverage that surrounded the interview so here's just one example of what Prince Harry said

that is knowingly putting me and my family in harm's way everybody knew that it was being they were putting us at risk in 2020 and they hoped that me knowing that risk would force us to come back. But then when you realise that that didn't work, do you not want to keep us safe? Whether you're the government, whether you're the Royal Household, whether you're my dad, my family, despite all of our differences, do you not want to just ensure our safety?

And, you know, again, I am calling for, you know, again, I wouldn't, I would, I am, I'm calling for, you know, the Home Secretary and the government to do a review of RABG and I'm also asking for an R&B assessment that I haven't received since 2019. Now this whole thing is so nuts, right? And there were so many questions that the BBC could have asked Prince Harry directly about that. Okay, so why is it safe for you to travel to Ukraine? Why is it safe for you to travel to Colombia? In fact, in the past 24 hours, we've just learned that Prince Harry actually took his son Archie for his sixth birthday to a state in Mexico where there is a US travel warning to avoid the area

because of the number of kidnapping, the number of kidnappings that have gone on around it. But the BBC has now had to admit a lapse in its editorial standards following that Prince Harry interview, because they never cross-examined his rant and just gave him an uninterrupted platform. So what they needed to do, of course, was get some reaction and challenge him. But when BBC Radio 4 actually discussed the interview the following day and spoke to a former close protection officer, they had to issue a clarification which read, the program covered the latest developments in the story of Prince Harry and his legal case around protection for him and his family in the UK

and interviewed former close protection officer Richard H to get a broader understanding of security considerations. Claims were repeated that the process had been an establishment stitch-up and we failed to properly challenge this and other allegations. The case is ultimately the responsibility of the Home Office and we should have reflected their statement. And that's what's so embarrassing about the BBC here, isn't it, Father Calvin? Just like Oprah Winfrey did,

they are not treating Harry's claims as contestable, which they most definitely are. Yeah, it's not really an interview. It's a propaganda piece. But I think they're excited that the fact that they've got an interview with the prince and so they let him get away with things that it wouldn't let anyone else get away with, unfortunately.

I remember, so we watched this, well, we watched clips of it live last week on Friday, didn't we? Well, hers came out. So since then, I've got to see more of it. And he goes on to say, my status has not changed. The reason I deserve or I'm entitled to all of the security is because my status has not changed. And that's a weird level of denial because his status has clearly changed

from an active working royal who goes out there and does the job to someone who's living in a foreign country doing podcasts and media work for a living. Does he still see himself as the spare? Or does he see himself as a member of the LA elite? I'm not sure. I think he probably still sees himself as a member of the working world family. I mean, he does.

And it's actually very sad. Radar Online has reported over the past week you remember those beautiful scenes from earlier in the week of prince louis and prince george with catherine and william and the veterans all on the balcony at buckingham palace and prince harry has just been torturing himself by watching these images over and over again and thinking what might have been. Now, Douglas Murray, I thought he had a very good point about all of this when he was interviewed by Rita Panahi on Sky News Australia Watch. Now, when he says that members of his family don't want to take his calls, I mean,

it's very hard to know whether he realizes why that might be, because the reason it might be is that whenever any member of his family speaks to him, they might find what they said either written up in another book or relayed in interviews with the BBC and other channels. So, you know, it's a very peculiar thing that's going on in Prince Harry's head. And I feel very sorry for him if he can't grasp this. If people around you know that you're likely to run and broadcast what they say in private to the world, then yeah they they might be reticent in speaking to you and the way to mend that isn't to go on television and relay the fact that they're not speaking to you at the moment i mean if if he if he said i want to reconcile with my father and i'll do anything it requires and it and but i

think it should be done away from the cameras and without any uh spare volume twos or anything like that and there'll be no cooking shows involved uh it's just a family matter if if he did that maybe he could actually make this uh reunion that he wants but this is the worst way to go about it i can't imagine who is actually advising Prince Harry other than possibly for his wife, because I think only she could give him PR advice this bad. I think it is Meghan. I mean, this is straight from her playbook, it seems, to go to the media to whine about something that is just going to make that problem far worse and is now claiming that they never claimed the royal family

or any members of it were racist. I mean, they're trying to completely rewrite history. Ben Habib, it's a fair point, isn't it? As soon as you try and negotiate something like that in public, it's not going to happen. No, it's not going to happen. No, it's not going to happen. I thought Douglas put that brilliantly. And I thought his closing quip was even better than the exposition itself

when he said that, you know, and the way to do it is not to go around and say no one's speaking to me. It's very sad. I tell you, just as a bit of a digression, have you noticed that Harry's accent is changing? He's got an American lilt to it. Have you noticed that? Yes, he does.

So he's clearly acclimatising to his new home. It's that weird sort of like tech boy accent, isn't it, Calvin, when like Brits go to America and they sort of, you can't get that, Father Calvin. Don't start talking like Prince Harry again. If you ever hear me start talking like a Los Angeles tech boy, please tell me to my face because I hate that so much. But it is difficult.

You know what? Out here, it's hard for an Englishman. We watch American films and TV all the time, so we understand them, but they don't understand us. You say something that simple, can you put the rubbish out huh okay so you have you have sympathy for harry there i guess he has to be understood uh look absolutely brilliant stuff what a superstar panel today father calvin robinson host of the common sense crusade on LotusEaters.com and, of course, Fox and Father as well on YouTube. And Ben Habib, who is the chair of the Great British Pact.

So good to have both of you with us today. And so much feedback coming from you on this discussion, of course, in regards to reform. So Candy Chambers has written in to say, reform policies are what we want so we need to vote for them however you need someone like ben habib to actually make it all happen because i am not sure faraj will actually do as he said and then in terms of nigel farage's comments uh millie said this is with the ones on gb news millie wrote why were they even talking about politics it was supposed to be to celebrate veE Day and remember those lost. And two of you made exactly the same point that I was thinking when it came to the shocking footage from inside the migrant hotel, A23 UK. Where are all the helpless women and children in the hotel? All I see are grown men. And Sue Hansi wrote, not a woman in sight at the Marriott. Okay, greatest Britain Union jackass time.

Now, reminder of your UJ nominees. Scheming Surgeon, nominated by Darren Donaldson for standing by that Supreme Court decision, refusing to, well, she didn't stand by it. She said that it was wrong, sorry. standing by her position regarding the Supreme Court decision, refusing to apologize to women and saying that this decision makes trans lives unlivable. Nick Robinson, nominated for Anna Island 17 for that hypocritical article saying partisan and creepy interviews are a threat to democracy, considering his own form. And Meghan Markle, nominated by Catherine Proc 19. And it's for the Archie distraction photo while Harry steps out in Vegas after another takedown of his own family. And your results are in. In third place with 23% of the vote, Nick Robinson.

The runner up with 31% of the vote, Scheming Sturgeon. But today's Greatest Britain, it's an honorary win for Meghan Markle with 47% of your vote. Greatest Britain time now and nominated by Darren Donaldson is the US actor John Lithgow. He writes the new Harry Potter TV show Dumbledore actor for saying the following regarding the trans debate and JK Rowling. I have my own feelings on this subject, but I'm certainly not going to hesitate to speak about it just because I may disagree. It's a matter of nuance. I think she's handled it fairly gracefully. Well, thank you, John Lithgow, for dealing with that fairly gracefully, unlike the former Potter stars,

those snivelling little brats, Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint. And I love it when an actor who you like actually says something sane because John Lithgow is actually one of my favourite actors. Very, very good actor. OK, coming up in the Uncancelled After Show on Substack, much more royal news. And today we've got Link Lauren on board. We're really going to get into this shocking decision by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle to travel to Mexico in spite of this travel warning while complaining about security in the UK. Plus, revealing a massive Meghan Markle lie in that Jamie Kern-Lima interview. Link Lauren's brilliant. He's got his new podcast coming.

It's on, spot on with Link Lauren. And you can watch right now by heading over to substack. www.outspoken.live is the address there. We are back live tomorrow at midday UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. But I should tell you that I was actually back on the Megyn Kelly Show for a special episode that we filmed last night. So if you do want a bit more content with the amazing Megyn Kelly and me, head to her feed to see that. If you're watching on YouTube or Rumble, please do subscribe. Turn on the notification bell. I'll see you tomorrow, I hope. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.