Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE AT WAR WITH COPS & MSM OVER ANN WIDDECOMBE KILLING AFTER CLACTON COUNT BINFACE FARCE

Episode Date: August 14, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: A massive security row breaks out between Nigel Farage and Reform UK and the mainstream media and Essex Police after the under-fire leader makes history by refusing to attend the C...lacton count where he would have had to stand beside Count Binface and a host of comedy characters. The disgusting MSM and political establishment want to deny that Ann Widdecombe was literally killed a few weeks ago, most likely because of a historic police failure for failing to hunt down the Farage firebomber. But he avoided one circus to instead attend a Farage Fest broadcast exclusively by GB News doing nothing to destroy the claim that Reform is increasingly a failed personality cult. Meanwhile, the western world is looking on in horror as the Israeli Prime Minister brands us the Islamic Republic of Britain. We’ll debate it all with four superb independent broadcasters on the Superstar Panel, a couple of whom are closely aligned to both Reform UK and Restore Britain: Kezia Noble, Lee Harris, Richard Taylor and Will Coleshill are with us for the entire show. PLUS: Legendary British comedians John Cleese and Ricky Gervais unite to fight halal slaughter in a controversial shifting of the Overton window. AND: Woke ITV’s Loose Women in crisis as legendary panellists Nadia Sawalha SUES and Denise Welch QUITS the dying panel show. THEN IN THE ROYAL UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Megyn Kelly drops a bombshell about Meghan Markle’s recent behaviour on her UK visit. We’ll reveal all with royal YouTube sensation P-Dina. To watch in full, please subscribe at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No, Spinovias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 561. And breaking right now a massive security row breaks out between Nigel Farage and Reform UK and the mainstream media and Essex police after the underfire leader makes history by refusing to attend the Clacton Count Count Bynface and a host of other comedy characters. We've been advised tonight by Essex Police that there is an organised campaign to disrupt and degrade the result that will take place in a few hours' time. Frage wins the Clacton by-election but refuses to attend the count over security concerns
Starting point is 00:00:44 that Sky News understands didn't exist. He gets up on stage and says that he's been advised not to attend the event. Then I believe Nigel above the police and especially above you lot at the BBC. Let's trust Nigel's security team to keep him safe, secure and a lot. Why did he say he would feel demeaned and humiliated in attending then? That's got nothing to do with the security point.
Starting point is 00:01:07 No, no, but why did he say that? I don't know, Nick. And what you're noticing is the disgusting MSM and political establishment want to deny that Anne Whittickham of Reform UK was literally killed a few weeks ago, most likely because of a historic police failure for failing to hunt down the Farage Fire Bomber. But let's also be honest, that is only part of the story. Farage wanted to avoid this circus. But I'm damned if I'm going to stand on a stage having won a resounding victory and be demeaned and humiliated by nobody is and I will not, sadly, be attending the count.
Starting point is 00:01:46 So he instead attended Farage Fest, broadcasting exclusively on Gbn, news, an event doing nothing to destroy the increasing suggestion that reform has become a failed personality cult. I hope you enjoying this, by the way. There is an immense photograph of Nigel Farage over here. It must be about 100 foot long. Let me go find it for you. This is the ferris wheel.
Starting point is 00:02:12 As an example not working, look at this. It says greetings from Clacton-on-Sea. And there is the candidate who wants to be the MP again for Clacton. Of course, the ninth time of arms. asking. You can charge your phones over there at Farage Fest as a band. You have a dance if you like. This is an enormous great well looks like a big marquee Patrick and there we are lots of these I'm buddy reformed UK has that's Patrick it's quite extraordinary. This is Catherine proving that the membership
Starting point is 00:02:54 and the politicians in Reform UK are normal people. Meanwhile, the Western world looking on in horror at all of us. As the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, brands us, I don't believe incorrectly, the Islamic Republic of Britain. Someone said that, you know, the first Islamic Republic with nuclear weapons will be the British, the Islamic Republic of Britain. Well debate it all, with four superb independent broadcasters on the superstar panel. of whom it has to be said, are closely aligned to both Reform UK and Restore Britain.
Starting point is 00:03:29 Joining us today, Kezi and Noble, Lee Harris, Richard Taylor and Will Coleshill, they are here for the entire show. Also coming up today, legendary British comedians, John Cleese and Ricky Jervais, unite to fight halal slaughter in a controversial shifting of the Overton window. And Woke ITV's loose women in crisis as legendary panellist Nadia Sawalers Suz and Denise Welsh quits the dying panel show. Then in the Royal Uncanceled After Show on Substack, which is anything but dying, if I do say so myself,
Starting point is 00:04:01 Megan Kelly dropped a bombshell about Megan Markle's recent behaviour on her UK visit. You can watch at www.outspoken.life. And because it is a Friday, we will also be revealing the worst Britain in the world. This week, it's when we put your uni and jackass winners head to head from across the week. On Monday, it was James O'Brien.
Starting point is 00:04:20 on Tuesday, Jess Phillips, on Wednesday, Kay Burley, and on Thursday, Owen Jones. You can vote right now in the posts tab on YouTube. We've already had tens of thousands, and I will bring some of your feedback at the end of the show today as well. But now, let's go. So you know two things can be true at once, but you're not going to hear this in either the Nigel Farage-Lothing establishment media or the Reform UK propaganda outlets in the Conservative MSM. So here it goes. The police and political establishment's dismissal
Starting point is 00:05:03 of the most serious security threats against Nigel Farage is a complete and utter dangerous disgrace. Can we please remember for just one minute here then that less than a week ago on this very show I revealed counter-terror police are now investigating whether Anne Whitakim's alleged killer was the fire bomber of Nigel Farage's own London property. Something cops have now referred themselves overgiven they seem to have completely effed up this investigation,
Starting point is 00:05:36 including not releasing CCTV footage. So in other words, because the mainstream media is not telling you this, Farage has good reason not to trust the police over his security. So that is one truth that refraising. form a right to say is being covered up by their establishment enemies. But here's the other truth. Clacton and this by-election with Farage versus Count Binface has been an appalling farce, a waste of time, a gift to the evil new Prime Minister Andy Burnham, a joke that has benefited no one. So as soon as Nigel Farage announced on stage at the so-called Farage Fest, there's a lie,
Starting point is 00:06:27 and it is a lie that Essex Police had warned him there was a threat that meant he couldn't attend the count. All hell was about to break loose. And I'm sad to say that after 33 years, I've been a candidate in active politics, I've been advised tonight by Essex Police that there is an organ. organized campaign to disrupt and degrade the result that will take place in a few hours time. And once again it shows you the sheer intolerance, the sheer loss of fundamental democratic principles, that those that went before us fought in world wars to fight for and preserve.
Starting point is 00:07:17 And this shows you why the battle that we're engaged upon in this great part, party and this great movement of ours is to get this country back to the values that it needs to be. Was that true? No, even GB News aligned political editor Christopher Hope reluctantly reported, I can confirm Essex police were in touch with Nigel Farage's office yesterday about a threat to him at the count, but did not say he should not attend. That decision was taken by him. The reform leader last night said he would not attend the count after Essex police warned him about an organized campaign to disrupt the result. This is not denied by Essex Police. So why lie, Nigel?
Starting point is 00:08:02 Why not just be honest? You keep giving your enemies a chance to go on the attack. Indeed, sly news gave Farage all of one hour before deciding this security lie was the most important story. Wynge wins the Clacton by-election but refuses to attend the count over security concerns that Sky News understands didn't exist. And that we all know Sly News is a disgrace. They refused to even mention the name of Anne Willickham now, instead totally obsessed with pulling apart Farage's reason for not attending the count.
Starting point is 00:08:41 I'd say the story's changed slightly, I think, over the course of the morning as to why that decision was taken for Nigel Farage not to go, because he said he wasn't talking about a police threat. He was talking about a threat assessment made by Nigel Farage's own security team, which is rather different. And you asked him, well, are you going to share that information with Essex Police?
Starting point is 00:09:02 And I think his response was quite striking. Let's have a listen. Obviously not, because the whole point of having a security team who are carrying out intelligence from a variety of sources is that that has to be its own security. judgment. The last thing you do is give your enemies. You wouldn't share information that you say is a credible threat against the leader of your party with the police force of Essex, the part of the country where he is the amendment for.
Starting point is 00:09:30 You're saying obviously not, you would not share. With the greatest of respect, we're literally just six days from when the Metropolitan Police and the counterterrorism have had to apologize for not properly investigating a serious incident at Nigel's home last year. So in the nice, most way, I'm going to trust Nigel's security team more than I trust any police force or anybody else. Quite a remarkable response, then.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Well, it is, isn't it? I mean, I guess it plays into reforms narrative. It's us against everyone else. It's us against the police. It's us against everyone else. But clearly, their story has changed earlier. It's not really a narrative, is it? You silly Bint.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Anne Whitaker. Kim was literally killed. That's not a narrative. It is a despicable fact. And she was literally killed probably because the police didn't find the Farage firebomber. So they are disgusting. And in fairnessly, Anderson burned the BBC on both the Today program and breakfast. What we should be doing today is celebrating Nigel's stunning victory in Clacton. Yeah, which I've just allowed you to do. Mrton, please stop interrupting you, very rude. He celebrated a stunning victory in Clacton.
Starting point is 00:10:52 The people have decided they've stuck two fingers up to people like the BBC, the establishment, their whole blob, the whole Westminster Circle. Why are they sticking two fingers out to the BBC? The BBC wasn't standing in the election. Because it's been a constant witch-hunt by people in the media. We can name most of the media outlets over the past two and a half years. There's been a witch-unt against Nigel. Mr Farage was notified as he said he was by Essend.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Essex police of a security threat? Well, Nigel said during his speech, he said he'd been told not to turn up because there could have been, you know, a bit of bother there within, you know, inside the county. Also, he's took the advice and I think he's done the right thing. I like I say, Charlie, I think his time is a better spent saying a massive thank you to the hundreds of people, the thousands of people that's turned up over the past month to help him secure this historic victory. Understood. Essex Police, BBC understands, say they didn't advise anyone. not to attend? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Well, you know, sometimes some of these police forces that we've been dealing with recently about as honest as you lot at the BBC. Okay, so you're saying that Essex Police, they're not telling it how it is when they say that there was no advice to your party leader not to attend? I've not spoken to Nigel about this. I've not spoken to Essex Police. If Nigel gets up on stage and says that he's been advised not to attend the event, then I believe Nigel above the police and especially above Yula at the BBC.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Okay, that was great. That was great. Not so successful and increasingly incensed from form-technical leader Richard Tice, who was owned on LBC by Nick Ferrari on the same issue. Watch. Why was Mr Farage not at the count last night or the early hours of this morning? Because his security team were very concerned about a credible threat to his security and with the greatest of respect, I don't think anybody should have the temerity to question our judgments and our security team's judgment about security and safety. This appears also to be at odds because we heard Mr Farage said he would not be attending
Starting point is 00:13:00 because he didn't want it to be demeaned and humiliated. So that's nothing to do with his safety. He doesn't want to stand next to someone dressed as a dustpin. Nigel has just won an outstanding victory. He's got voters in Clacton have said we want more. Nigel, not less Nigel. Is it because he didn't want to be demeaned and humiliated, as he said, or you're now telling that it is his security team who overrode Essex Police?
Starting point is 00:13:25 Which is it? I've just told you, I'm delighted to tell you again, I trust the judgment of Nigel's security team above everybody else, including Essex Police, including Essex Police. If you're not, if you're going to ask me a question, do me the courtesy of letting me answer it. I've just told you, let's trust Nigel's security team. to keep him safe, secure and a lot. Why did he say he would feel demeaned or humiliated in attending then?
Starting point is 00:13:51 That's got nothing to do with the security point. No, no, but why did he say that? I don't know, Nick. I don't know, Nick. Yeah. Look, the right remains deeply divided over all of this. Alison Pearson, good friend of mine of the Daily Telegraph, posted in the week of Anne Whittickham's funeral,
Starting point is 00:14:10 I thought the media would lay off in citing hatred against reform because of, you know, murder? Let's see the contrast. Andy Burnham and Makerfield, 36% turnout, majority 55% resounding victory. Nigel Farage in Clacton, 44% turnout, majority 63%. Farage lies about appearing at the count, pathetic. Adam Brooks, Reform UK, supporter going further. And Whitaker was murdered two weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Nigel Farage was believed to have been targeted by the same man last year. He gets daily death threats, yet he's been mocked for not turning up at the by-election count because of a credible threat. You lefties are sick, really sick. But mail on Sunday columnist Dan Hodges hitting back. Sorry, but this is getting beyond a joke now. The attempt to imply legitimate journalistic scrutiny of reforms misleading and contradictory statements is inciting hatred is bad enough. To try to directly link with Anne Whitikin's funeral is totally distasteful. Also, not clear what's behind Farage's decision to not attend the count. But in 188, Margaret Thatcher spoke to her party conference hours after the Brighton bombing, her security officials begged her to return to London, she refused.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Leadership means taking a stand sometimes. But that's why I want to be honest about this, because none of them are right. Nigel Farage didn't attend the count because he needed to, for his own credibility, avoid an actual circus. The number of votes recorded for each candidate at the said election is as follows. Harvey Jonathan David, commonly known as Count Binface, 9,455. Farage Nigel, Reform UK, 22,239. And by the way, I'm not scared of these people, far from it. But I'm damned if I'm going to stand on a stage having won a resounding victory.
Starting point is 00:16:14 and be demeaned and humiliated by nobody is, and I will not, sadly, be attending the count. And I thought to hear the verdict of the Claptonites was the least I could do. And why? Because I've had over 9,000 votes guys. Now, in Makerfield, eight weeks ago, I got 95 votes. So against Nigel Farage, compared to Andy Burnham, I am 1,000 times more popular.
Starting point is 00:16:42 Does that have anything to do? with why he isn't here tonight on a night when they said they thought they'd get over 18%. Again, I'll leave that to you. All I will say to you is what happens next. Let's all meet for part two of the Clacton by-election, coming soon. So Reform UK supporters can argue all they want,
Starting point is 00:17:05 but this whole process has been a farce, a farce playing into the hands of a bin. And of course, predictably, within moments, sly news really had something to celebrate. Breaking news to bring you, actually, on Sky News, the commission investigation into the five million pound gift that Nigel Farage says he was given by the billionaire Christopher Harbourn has resumed. The commissioner's page has updated saying that that original investigation into the five million pounds resumes, as was experienced. This really does rather pose a question for reform. What was the point of this whole process? Well, indeed. And that's why you get nuance on this show, right? Because weirdly, I agree. What the hell was achieved? Seriously? Farage, I presume, now thinks the establishment aren't going to allow
Starting point is 00:18:02 the circus of a second by-election. But I think he is wrong on that. Which brings us to the Farage Fist. Yep, there it is. The Reform UK version of Glastonbury. And I think nothing plays more into the hands of the idea that reform remains a personality cult than this event, with exclusive access of course handed to the propagandists at G.B News where Nigel is a shareholder. Watch. Have you enjoying this, by the way. There is an immense photograph of Nigel Farage here. It must be about 100 foot long. Let me go and find a piece. you. This is the Ferris wheel. As an example not working. Look at this. It says greetings from Clacton on sea and there is the candidate who wants to be the MP again for Clacton. Of course
Starting point is 00:18:53 the ninth the ninth time of asking. This way too. I was going to look at the band before I get back to you Patrick. I mean I'm a boring old political journalist Pat this is your kind of world, this nightlife, it's not for me. This is quite extraordinary. I never know anything quite like it. It's clearly spending a lot of money on it. Of course, it's under fire, under pressure over this five million pound gift from the Christopher Harbour and the Crypto Millionaire. Has some of that money got on this? We don't know that. Again, it's just getting started. You'll see the big bands here playing. You can charge your phones over there at Farash Fest. There's a band.
Starting point is 00:19:33 You have a dance if you like. This is an enormous great... Well, it looks like a big marquee, Patrick. You're live on GB News. Why are you here? Because I love Gondon Gavarge, and he needs to be the ruler in this country. Is it a party?
Starting point is 00:20:00 What is this place? It's a Farage Best. It's a celebrating being back A member of parliament to go. Okay, well, we're going to get this way now. Sorry, Patrick. There's a football shirt manufacturer over there. And it's finally, before I go, for some more,
Starting point is 00:20:27 there we are, lots of these, I'm buddy reformed UK says, Patrick, it's quite extraordinary. I'm going to move one. And all the Jimmy News presenters just thought that this was normal. This was totally normal. I will say, Chris, is I've spoken to Nigel, as you would imagine, and he's quite unashamed about how he thinks that we do need a little bit more fun in politics and a bit more fun in the world and everything. And obviously there's incredibly serious stuff going on and, and, you know, every political party needs to deal with that.
Starting point is 00:20:57 But, you know, this is, this is part. But he says, they say he does nothing for the people of Clacton. I don't know, he's put a festival on tonight, hasn't he? Well, he's put a party on for them. And this is a thank you to the people who campaign for him in this by-election. You know, he's rewarding them. What is it? This is, Catherine, proving that the membership and the politicians in Reform UK are normal people.
Starting point is 00:21:21 We like to work hard and we like to play hard. And believe me, we will be playing hard until the early hours of the morning. But you've got a problem, haven't you? Andy Vernon, 50% of people say they like him. Only 25% of people say they like him. like Nigel Farah, that's a problem. That cameo there from Reform UK's Muslim London Merrill candidate, Layla Cunningham,
Starting point is 00:21:43 I hope she wasn't drinking. Nigel then joined the party and argued this is all about fun, something none of his dark messaging over the past few weeks matches up with the rhetoric. Watch. What I mean how is Nigel Farage? Nigel Farage, what on earth is Farage Fest? It's about fun.
Starting point is 00:22:00 You know, we're serious people, we care about the country, but unlike the boring so-and-so's that inhabit the Labour and Conservative and Libby and. the pious Lib Dems were real, we're having fun. We've even got a Ferris wheel. Have you been on it yet? Oh yes. Then he tried out a new sort of PR approach.
Starting point is 00:22:18 This is going to be the new talking point about the various new investigations. Who cares? You haven't yet seen off the threat of an inquiry into this gift you had from a crypto billionaire. What's the point of all this? Who cares? Who cares? The voters of Clacton don't care. Look, Labour, Lib Dem, conservative canvases have been out for bin face. You know, they're not going to win. The Unip Party aren't going to win.
Starting point is 00:22:46 They will not call a second by-election here. They'd be stupid to do so. But they might do, and they might be difficult for you. If they challenge you again with a proper candidate, rather than a novelty candidate, could be hard to win. Well, then we'll win even bigger. Is that what you think? Oh, yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:22:59 The turnout's quite high, 43%. Given by-election turnout in recent times it is, This is an overwhelming endorsement of me. I have had enough of being judged by mainstream media, being called a criminal. If I've made one sin, if I haven't filled in a piece of paper. No one ever denied that Nigel was hugely popular in Clacton. He is. But nationally, the picture is much more worrying.
Starting point is 00:23:26 With his personal approval ratings at their lowest since his return to frontline politics in June 2024. So just 24% approve of him now. compared to 53% who disapprove, that gives him a net score of minus 26%. And that is why the Spectator magazine, sure, it's edited by the terrible Tory Michael Gove, making the point that he needs to decide if he wants to govern or just campaign. And why I was interested in this is that Gove's leading article argues that Restore Britain remains a major factor. They write, but reform has been squeezed by Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain. Farage seems unsure whether he wishes to outflank Lowe, with pledges to deploy the Royal Navy in the channel and to deport criminals to El Salvador, or to take up his disgruntled ex-MP's offer of a truce. Rightly, he has said such a deal would not be possible, while Lowe dabbled with darkness, allying himself with a coterie of young ethno-nationalist strident enough to deny the king's Britishness, and suggest Farage has been bought by Jewish interests. But while Restore Nibbles at Reform
Starting point is 00:24:35 support, Farage's party will struggle to overhaul the Tories. That will trigger the same frustration that led Farage to snap at journalists asking questions about finances and personnel and call a by-election, which became more high-than the people versus the establishment battle he hoped for. When Farage returns to Westminster, he will find himself at a crossroads. Whether or not he faces another post-investigation by-election in Clacton, Farage must decide whether he is serious about government or where the leading reform has become too much like hard work. In the mail, Dan Hodges made a far more unflashering comparison, arguing this morning Nigel Farage has effectively become reforms Jeremy Corbyn. Two years ago, Labour's former leader, who had
Starting point is 00:25:21 been cast out by Kirstama in disgrace, stood in the general election as an independent in Islington North. It was widely perceived he would lose his seat. Instead, he triumphed, winning with almost 50% of the vote. Chance of ooh, Jeremy Corbyn rang out once again around Islington Town Hall. It had zero impact on the national electoral landscape. Corbyn's moment had been and gone. He was still a political fixture but no longer a future prime minister. So it is for Nigel Farage. Just over a month ago he was the MP for Clacton facing a parliamentary slees investigation, mounting questions about his party's funding and slumping poll ratings. And today, he is the MP for Clacton, facing a parliamentary sleaze investigation, mounting questions about his party's funding and slumping poll
Starting point is 00:26:06 ratings. Oh yes, and he's just got 12,784 more votes than a man dressed as a bin. Let's debate now with the Superstar Panel. Here they all are our great independent journalist Lee Harris and Richard Taylor, Will Coleshill of Resistance G-B, probably more aligned to restore Britain and Kesea Noble out and out a Reform UK candidate and supporter. So Kesea, let me start with you. Be honest, what has been achieved? We're right back to where we were. Bar the Farage Fest.
Starting point is 00:26:49 So I've got three points that I want to make. Go do it, make them. First of all, look up the other political parties. They didn't put forward an MP. They were political cowards, including Restore Britain. And the reason they didn't put anyone forward is because they knew that they were going to lose. They are political cowards. And what they did is by withdrawing an MP, you're effectively denying the opportunity for your members, your voters, to be represented.
Starting point is 00:27:21 So, you know, the major parties chose not to fight in an area which they knew that they weren't going to win, that they were unpopular. And so they have no right to complain if they're the, vote has turned to someone else. And the only person that they could turn to to represent them was Count Dustin Head, whatever his name is. So you got... Well, whatever his name is. But you know what, actually, respect to him, respect to him, at least he had the guts to stand forward, this cosplay character. Where was conservative? Where was Labour? Where was your beloved restore? Where were they? Political cowards. That's the first point. The second one is all of this. Everything we've just been speaking about is a massive distraction from the fact that reform won. And it's just upset everybody.
Starting point is 00:28:07 If I was Nigel Farage, I would listen to my... Kesey, no, I'm not upset at all. Kesey, I'm not upset. I'm just trying to work out what's changed, what has been achieved here. Well, it's shown that the other political parties are cowards, because they wouldn't put anyone forward. Count Binhead, he's got a lot more guts than they have. you know, democracy isn't about offering voters. Democracy is about offering voters a choice. It's not just about winning. He was already the MP.
Starting point is 00:28:36 He was already the MP. Nigel Farge was already the MP for Clacton. What was the point? Why didn't they put forward anybody? Because it was a farcical by-election. You deny your voters, your people, the representation for their voice to be heard. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:52 So basically your argument, I'm just trying to understand that your argument is basically the other parties look like cowards now. It were. Okay. Okay, Will Coles Hill, is she right? Actually, your Restore Britain should have been there. Should have been fighting this by election, Will.
Starting point is 00:29:13 I find it quite hilarious, Dan, because what we've heard from reform has been split the vote, split the vote. Every election in which Restore has stood, the narrative has been split the vote. Going all the way from the top of reform, all the way to the bottom of reform, it's been a universal message. One single narrative split the vote. The one time that Stor Britain doesn't run in a sort of major election where they could actually gain a significant amount of the vote share, oh, cowards. So, well, Kesey would like to explain?
Starting point is 00:29:41 Did you ever use the split-the-vote narrative? Because I just find it completely hypocritical you put in that across. I don't think they are splitting the vote. They've shown that they're not actually really splitting the vote. And I didn't just single out, sorry, I didn't single out restore. I think Labour and Conservatives because there's Restore are a very small party. They might not even have anybody that's adequate
Starting point is 00:30:01 to stand in that area yet. But Labour and Conservatives They just got 0.5% of the vote in the Manchester mayoral election more than the Tories, more than the Lib Dems. And they are the fourth biggest political party by terms of membership. Trust me, they've got a good person to run in Essex,
Starting point is 00:30:20 okay? I know who it is. So can Will answer me the question why didn't they stand anyone? I don't think it's because they have any love for reform. So you tell me why. Well, I'm not a spokesman for Restore Britain, but I think that the narrative that's been put out by all of the political parties is there already was an electoral mandate for Nigel Farage.
Starting point is 00:30:38 He was elected two years ago. And so having another election, they felt was futile. Or at least that's what they argue. I'm not here to defend Restore Britain on this. But what I do find hypocritical is the argument. So I just find it very funny that you said that reform is not having their vote split by Restore. Well, that's what Nigel says.
Starting point is 00:30:59 That's what Richard Tice says. That's what Lee Anderson has said. That's every single level of your party. So you just basically disagree with your whole party. And you admit that actually the vote isn't being split and Restore Britain is actually drawing in new voters. It's drawing in people that have been completely pushed away from reform and have been alienated and otherwise would have no one to vote for.
Starting point is 00:31:17 I mean, for me, I just think this is a side show. It's more dramatic, isn't it? If you say split, it's like 50% have gone that way. No, it's a very small. percentage, but the point is, why did Restore and Conservative and Labor deny their voters' representation? Why? Okay, I get that point. Lee Harris, you're pretty fair on Reform UK. You like these guys. Do you think they achieved anything here? I just, I don't get it. I don't see how anything has changed. I don't see anything other than a waste of time, a waste of money, and actually
Starting point is 00:31:53 a waste of an opportunity for Farage to be fighting a new Prime Minister rather than Abin in Clacton, who he was always going to be. I disagree, and here's why. So you've got to remember there is context behind this as well. So we've seen what the establishment can do to people like Boris Johnson, chuck him in front of a kangaroo court, get rid of him. I don't trust that process. I don't like the way, for example, that the parliamentary committee is packed for,
Starting point is 00:32:23 of MPs. I think it should be completely separate from Parliament altogether. But there has been a material change. So Nigel Farage had two choices in front of him. He could be a passenger in this process and just allow it to take place knowing the potential outcome. I mean, by the way, we've just got to bear in mind there's only a 50-50 chance who will actually even make the Parliamentary Standards Committee itself. There's a reasonably good chance. They'll just get told to declare it and that'll be it. But he had that option to face or he could. could take the narrative back into his own hands, hold a by-election on his own terms, win that by-election. And what that does is it makes any potential future by-election toothless. And you
Starting point is 00:33:05 can all say what you like. That completely changes the dynamics of that by-election. So the fact is, is those voters have already gone to it, sorry, the electorate has already gone to the ballot box and they've said, we want Nigel Fraud's our MP. Now, let's just say that an incredibly hostile committee then turns around and does give him a suspension long enough to call a recall petition, they're going to have to then tell their electorate who's just gone to the ballot box to do it again. So now, whether you agree with the dynamics of that or not, the actual dynamics of that by-election have changed.
Starting point is 00:33:37 So what he's done is he's basically made it toothless. There's your material change, Dan. It completely changes the dynamics. So what you're saying is basically they are more unlikely, or less likely, I should say, They are less likely to force a by-election because Farage will clearly win it. The thing is, Richard, I'm not so, Richard Taylor, I'm not so certain of that calculation because even though Nigel Farage would absolutely win the next by-election, presumably too, it could give the Conservatives and restore a bloody nose
Starting point is 00:34:12 because they would have to run this time around. They have said they would have to run in what they have called a sort of real by-election. I still think this is damaging Nigel Farage nationally. It's turning him into a circus, a side show. I mean, you can see what's happening to the polls. So I think they will force the second by-election because it's not about Nigel Farage losing that by-election. It's about them just chip, chip, chipping away.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Well, I think a number of things here, Dan, first of all, I wish I'd been at Clacton for that Farage festival. So, look, absolutely great fun with a couple of beers, the dance floor. I wasn't very busy, was it? I was not, but I've enjoyed a night down in Clackdon on sea anyway. But look, what this has done is vindicated him at a constituency level and it's proven that the people of Clacton still believe in Nigel Farage, even though there's this ongoing
Starting point is 00:35:05 investigation that was suspended, which would now continue. And should he be found breaching any rules that he has unfortunately not declared a fine-and-pound gift from Christopher. And then, of course, then if you get suspended, as Lee has probably pointed out, then there'll be possibly triggered a second. and by election, I wish he'll win as well again, once again. So it doesn't actually do anything in the bigger scale of things, because what we've got to look at now is the future, is the next general election.
Starting point is 00:35:31 All this is a side show. All of these are just stunts. They're all kind of – and I've got to say this as well. Fair play to Lee Anderson, he absolutely owned the BBC today. Whether you love or hate him, right, he owned them today. He says, look, we don't trust the police force, given what they've said over the issues with, especially with God rest of the late Anne Wittickham, wonderful person. we all, I'm sure, would agree
Starting point is 00:35:51 the way they reported that story and released the information. They have no trust in the police force. We have two-tier policing in this country, we already know. And also, the fact that Nigel, you know, he won did vindication from the people of Clackton to say, look, I've been accused of doing something that is illegal, that is wrong,
Starting point is 00:36:06 or I've breached parliamentary standards. So he's being put that before it. And the people of Clacton give a resounding result for him. Now, I'm not a supporter of restore or reform. You know that, Dan. I'm able to. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. But I do, I do think,
Starting point is 00:36:19 what this has done, it is just highlighted, for me, certainly, that there is, there is an attack by the establishment upon reform for the simple reason. There's a credible threat, and let me finish my point. There's an incredible threat, because Labour, Conservative, and the Lib Dems, shame on them. Yeah, but I'm not denying that. It makes our democracy. I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that there is a credible threat in lots of ways against Nigel Fudge.
Starting point is 00:36:44 What I'm saying is that I don't think this by-election has changed any of the fundamentals and what is interesting is that Nigel's tone is all over the place. So trust me, if you're wanting reform to win, you shouldn't be happy about what's going on at the moment. This is not helping your cause. And I'll give you an example. Actually, he's been very brave, Tim Montgomery. He's a senior Reform UK supporter, formerly a conservative. He was one of those big early defections from the Conservative to Reform UK.
Starting point is 00:37:14 And he has said this about the Nigel Farage win. So he said all of the positive stuff, you know, it's a good result. He should be all over TV with that cheeky trademark smile on his face. But he has then added, being an idol that so many voters like the idea of hanging out within a pub, this recently far too dominant, aggrieved tone is still with us. It is not good. You don't skip your own victory count without a much better explanation. Anger from politicians can work, but only if it is on behalf of others,
Starting point is 00:37:48 not yourself. He is distracting from his victory, puzzling. And Keziah, this is the point that I'm making. Nigel is making own goal after own goal here because it's very complicated. Like how on the one hand can he be on GB News at the Farage Fest saying, we're all about fun, you know, this is all great, we're the fun party. Then on the other hand, going really dark about why he's not attending the count. And by the way, that is Tim Montgomery. He is a senior member of your party. He will, wants Nigel Farage to be prime minister, so you can't counter this by saying, oh, these are the enemies. You know, Tim Montgomery is not an enemy, okay? He's a friend. Reform are a very serious party. Have you studied their policies? Because I have. And they want to
Starting point is 00:38:33 answer the criticism from Tin Montgomery. Sure. Well, I am going to answer it. I am. This actually isn't about policies, not being, I'm just being Frank Kizier. This is about vibes. This is about personality. This is about pure politics. I'm not a vibes person, okay. Look, reform have to appeal to all sorts of people, okay? But all those people, they all want the same thing. They want an end to all this mass immigration. They want law and order.
Starting point is 00:39:01 They want low tax, okay? But there's different ways that you communicate that. Yes, we have younger voters, and they're going to look at this, you know, Nigel Farage festival, whatever it was, and think, well, that's a load of fun, and that communicates to me. Someone older like me, I prefer the policies and the serious stuff. But that's my point. Yeah, you're a very serious woman. But what about Tim Montgomery saying this aggrieved tone is not good?
Starting point is 00:39:28 It's far too dominant. Are you talking about regarding the security issue? Well, he is talking about missing the count. But of course, yes, that does come into the security. That's so easy to explain. The problem is, is that do you trust the police force now? No, because I said, no. So if I have...
Starting point is 00:39:46 No, but I've been exposed. that? I mean, I've literally been the one exposing the lies from the police about Anne Wicke. Do not trust them. So if I have my own security team saying, listen, do not go there. Okay, the police have already said there will be unrest, but we've got it covered. Uh-uh, not good enough, especially after what happened to Anne Winnaker. Reform are on red alert. Okay, they're on red alert. They're getting attacked everywhere, even from the far right, from the left, everywhere. So I would listen to my personal security team. that's what I would do. And that's probably what you would do too, also, Dan, if we're going to be honest.
Starting point is 00:40:20 As Nigel Farage and Restore Britain clash politically, the problem is the world, especially the Western world, the sane Western world. I'm not talking about the Islamo-left coalition. The sane people on the right of politics are looking at what is going on here with an increasing sense of horror. And what could sum that up more than Benjamin Netanyahu describing, our country, our once great country, the country that we should be proud of as the Islamic Republic of Britain. Now, you can dismiss the Israeli Prime Minister all you want on policy issues, but this is a very serious point. Now, he actually made this point in Hebrew. But what we have done, because I think it's important for you to hear his words, and I'm very transparent about this, we have used AI to make Benjamin Netanyahu say these words in English. Just because
Starting point is 00:41:16 I think it's more powerful for us to hear his message in English. Listen. By the way, he and his father, Randolph Churchill's son, came and covered the Six-Day War here in a way that was very positive for us. Go find that in Britain now in what's called the Islamic Republic of Britain. Go find that. All of Europe has already become like that, hasn't it? It's like... Yeah, but someone said that, you know, the first Islamic Republic with nuclear weapons will be the British, the Islamic Republic of Britain. All right, okay. So, We are making sure there won't be another one here, you know, in Iran. Anyway, I'm meeting him.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Now, I think that should horrify us. You know, I call out the Islamist takeover of this country more than anyone. But our willfully blind mainstream media political elite, just dismiss it. Piers Morgan, with one word, calls him an idiot. Just says he's an idiot. Doesn't want to listen, doesn't want to think about the response. He just dismisses Netanyahu as an idiot. And he's not an idiot.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Is he? Because we see the takeover happening every single day in this country. Look at this from Joe McCain, who revealed this man started getting abusive with the driver of a community ambulance that was full of patience, calling them white bastards. Watch. Can you drive off? Welcome to the Islamic Republic of Britain. What about an Essex this week where free speech, Shell revealed invaders in Braintree saying thank you for their free bus by spitting at the locals. And that's why I'm so disgusted that the right of British politics on the mainstream, in the mainstream media. So I'm just going to be very clear about who I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:43:46 GB News, talk TV, the daily telegraph, the daily mail, have decided that the real enemy. The real enemy is Restore Britain. With Camilla Tom... So Charlie Downs is Rupert Lowe's right handbag. Now claiming that Charlie Downs is an ethno-nationalist who is beyond the pale even for Tommy Robinson. So Charlie Downs is Rupert Lowe's right-hand ban. He's very controversial. He's revealed himself in various interviews to be sort of basically an advocate of ethno-nationalist politics.
Starting point is 00:44:18 There are many on the right, including this newspaper, that say a line must be drawn. And the line was previously drawn at Tommy Robinson, who even himself is saying that he's finding restore a bit too right wing for him. Because he is now basically making the point that while he did, he does. did once fund the EDL, he has friends who are black and Asian, not least in the fight against Islamic extremism. And actually, if some of the people who are supporting Restore, who appear to be advocating basically the deportation of anyone non-white, and as well in the melee of all this,
Starting point is 00:44:52 is Rupert Lowe struggling to define our own king as white British on account of the fact that his father, Prince Philip, was Greek. Also, there's some German in the background there, as we both know probably. I mean, we are now getting in. into quite dangerous territory for restore. So isn't that so interesting? A line must be drawn. And we've just got to trust Camilla Tomonae about where the line is.
Starting point is 00:45:14 So the line used to be at Tommy Robinson. Now the line is at Rupert Lowe. Oh, do piss off. As Jonathan Wong put it, oh, look, another one. Skin colour is their subversive substitute for ethnicity in order to despecate the ancestral claim of the native British people. And he was talking there about talk TV's Chloe Dodd. watch.
Starting point is 00:45:37 I think it's important that we call out restore, we can call a spade a spade and call, you know, call racism racism when it, as apparent, I don't think the word racism should be flung around everywhere, as we often see we get called racism if we say we should have low immigration. But I think that this relentless focus by Restore on skin color, say, oh, you've got to be white.
Starting point is 00:46:00 I mean, there are so many people. It's nonsense. So many people that I would call British. There are not white. There are so many people who have mixed-race parents, but they've been brought up with British values. There are people of colour of a third generation now. And they're my mates.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Yeah, he says the Kings, not a white Britain. Well, what's he going to say about third-generation people of colour? Why don't all these tossers just sort it out in a pub car park? Which is where most things get sorted out properly. Can I have you on my side? Listen, we'll park that one there and we'll look forward to the pylon. He said Farage has been bought by the Jews. And I have to admit, this is a huge problem
Starting point is 00:46:39 because Rupert Lowe has not done anything about it. This is the big thing. Camilla Tomenei also suggests that the real problem within Reform UK is Nalzia Yusuf, not because he's a Muslim practising to Kia, but because he's actually dragging Nigel Farage further to the right of British politics. The problem for Farage,
Starting point is 00:47:00 and he said at the press conference yesterday, when asked, would you do a deal with Restore? Well, no, actually Lois surrounding himself with deeply unsavory people. I'm the one who saw off the BNP back in the day. We don't want to go back into that arena. Thank you very much. And Yusuf is constantly tagging him further rightwards,
Starting point is 00:47:18 particularly on social media. So where Nigel Farage draws the line on mass deportation and ice vans, Yusuf seems perfectly comfortable with it. Now, it could be that somebody in that party just needs to throw some red meat to keep the further righters happy. But I think it's placing Farage in a precarious position
Starting point is 00:47:35 because Farage needs waitrose women. He's got all of the people he needs on the right. He needs to convince some sort of blue wallers to come over as well as labour rights. And he can't do that if he's going around sort of suggesting, you know, that millions of people need to be ejected from their homes in the UK. She is a complete and utter containment operative. Do you know what was really interesting?
Starting point is 00:47:58 Boris Johnson went to America. Not sure if you saw them. earlier in the week. But Connie Shaw reported that answer any question about the general political situation in the UK, he mentioned that there is yet another party on the right, Restore Britain. And at that point, the American audience actually applauded because they love Restore Britain. So listen carefully because Boris Johnson interrupts the applause to say, these guys are serious fruitcakes. probably going to be another one called, you know, revolts or repudiate or regurgitating or something.
Starting point is 00:48:42 There's a regret that these rightly fights. There was a girl in a week that I think a couple of days ago saying that the King of England could not be classified as white British because his father was born abroad. I mean, gone in one hour break, you know, what are they wrong? I was born at all. I got born and got kids. I didn't even not white British once. It's crazy, man. It's crazy
Starting point is 00:49:06 And, you know, I think that the stories will come through. Labor, the three-hour election will be very great. It's going to be a watershed moment. It's going to be like in 1979. Rupert Lowe responded to that. Restore Leader saying, good, I do not want Boris Johnson support. Montgomery Tom's of the party going further. Quite a lot further, actually.
Starting point is 00:49:26 Give this man life imprisonment for crimes against humanity. Scum of the Earth. To the superstar panel. Kasia. Isn't it interesting that the containment mainstream media who support Reform UK are convinced that the real enemy, it's not the Islamists? It's not the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu is now openly saying a lot of us think that we are now this Islamic Republic. No, the real problem is Restore Britain. Do you think Restore is a bigger problem than the Islamists, Kesea?
Starting point is 00:50:03 No, I don't. Of course not. I think Netanahue is absolutely right. Israel have been warning Europe for many, many years about the threat of these terrorists. The problem is with Restore is that they're going slightly down this due conspiracy route. Now, not Rupert Lowe, but people that support him. I had one on my show recently, and I can't wait to air that. He thinks Israel behind 9-11, Israel, you know, the, you know, he probably thinks that the two friends who killed Lee, Rigby are Mossad agents, for goodness sake. So this is the thing. So if you start looking at Israel, going, oh, the Jews, the Zionists, they're the ones
Starting point is 00:50:43 who are behind all this. Then you're basically just doing the work of the terrorists, because the terrorists say the same sort of thing as this. Oh, the Jews are to blame. The Israel is to blame. Nigel Farage had previously spoken out on LBC. We played the video earlier in the week, talking about the fact that it was wrong, that there was so much Israeli money in American politics.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Well, I think that the Jewish people in this country who are mainly law-abiding citizen, and most of them, the vast majority of them, don't want to see all this immigration coming from countries such as Algeria, Morocco, all these places that actually most of them, not all, but a lot of them hate Jewish people. So they're actually against all this immigration. But I do say that, yes, Jewish citizens need to have their allegiance to Britain before Israel. But at least Israel and Britain are an ally. What about all this? the people here who put Palestine before Britain. That's much more of the people. They should all go to. It's interesting, even though you view yourself as a Zionist kiddie, that does put you in a different category as, say, Melanie Phillips, who says the Jewish people, their first priority should always be to the Jewish state rather than to the United Kingdom. They should go there. Yeah, so there is nuance. That's the point in this argument. But Will Kohltshill, it is fascinating, isn't it, to see people who, like, you would think would be on the right side, you know, Chloe Dobbs saying, actually, it's restore that is the real problem.
Starting point is 00:52:10 This is racism. You've got to call out racism. And it's like, oh my God, do you not realize? Step back. You sound like the left. You're literally doing what the left is doing to Nigel Farage. Do you remember, Will, a few months ago, they were all saying Nigel Farage was a neo-Nazi because he had made some joke about concentration camps while he was at Dulwich College. It's like, Reform UK are now doing exactly what the left do. to them to restore Britain, and I am fed up with it. England that was want to conquer others have made a shameful conquest of itself. We are going to be replaced in this country demographically within a few decades.
Starting point is 00:52:49 That's going to be within my lifetime. So when my grandchildren, frank kids are growing up, if I manage to have them, they're going to be in a minority. We're going to lose the ability at general elections to be able to determine our own future. and that will actually happen probably a lot sooner than that. We don't just need to close the borders. It's past that point, right? This is sort of two thousands nostalgia. And the conversation politically is always behind the times.
Starting point is 00:53:14 But really, we need to reverse it. We need re-migration. And we need to send millions upon millions of people home. Because frankly, this isn't their country. It's not their homeland. They've not been past the inheritance that we've been past a descendants of the people who built this country. They put in these false narratives.
Starting point is 00:53:31 exactly what they're doing here, we see exactly what they've done in South Africa, where they've taken the country from the people who built it, the Anglos and the Boers, and they've destroyed it. They don't have electricity. I do not, and I cannot allow that to possibly happen to this country. And the idea that Reform UK would give up our inheritance, give it away, beggar it, prostitute it out to a bunch of people who do not come from this country, do not deserve to be citizens of this country, just hand away what people, millions of people died for. My great-grandfather fought in the Royal Artillery during the Second World War. It is unacceptable to give away what he fought for to mass migration to a bunch of migrants.
Starting point is 00:54:11 I just think using this language, using this language of racism to try and shut everything down. Oh, racist, racist, racist. I just see Keziah just did it now. She just went, oh, they're talking about Israel, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews. Instantly switches straight from criticism of state to criticism of Jews. And that's what, there's just semantic tricks that you play. I think it's disgusting. I think you shut down a really legitimate debate about what's happening to this.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Okay, we'll lick his, let's consider your respond and you can come back. Including, let's, let's, fair mind. Campaign against anti-semitism. No, no, no. Which uses hate speech legislation to lock English people up. Why are your MPs going out and marching in line with people who use hate speech legislation? Okay, let Kizzi respond. First of all, I've never said that.
Starting point is 00:54:57 I do believe that people have the right to criticise any, country and I do believe and I actually said that Jewish people in this country need to put Britain first before Israel and if they put Israel first they should go there just like all the Muslims who put Palestine first they go to Gaza go there it's the same rule I apply the same rule to both okay but the point is my point I was trying to make is I don't understand where restore are going forward I completely agree with you of immigration also my grandfather fought in the second world I hate what's happening to this country. Why do you want to hand it away?
Starting point is 00:55:32 Why don't you want? Remigration? Send millions upon millions of them back. So do you know what reforms policies are on that about the immigration removal centres, illegal migrant removal centres? That is a start at least. I want to see it reversed also.
Starting point is 00:55:48 I can't stand all this immigration network destroyed this country. Yeah, and I guess you've just summed up the difference, which is that reform takes a more softly, softly approach. We've got to do something. We've got to start somewhere. Restore actually says, no, no, no, demographic changes everything. But look, I want to bring Richard Taylor in on this.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Richard, you've been listening to this. Who are you with in all of this? Are you with Kezi and Reform or Will and Restore? Well, look, I'm with a bit of both, actually, because the issue here is the real enemy is the Islamification of our country and the massive social demographic change that we're seeing in our communities in cities and rural areas, and even here in Wales where I am right in my studio here today. And the biggest concern for me is,
Starting point is 00:56:26 is parties on the right, irrespective of their name, most from begin with R, they can't seem to come together and have a cross-party consensus that we need to have a credible plan that works. It's all very well posting something in the next thing. We're going to deport millions of people. But there's a process involved.
Starting point is 00:56:42 We know what that process is. We have to leave the ECHR. There's lots of regulations, red tape we still have to get over. There are millions and millions and millions of people in this country that shouldn't be here. The issue I do have with Restore, however, is when they first announced their remigration
Starting point is 00:56:56 plan which advanced UK adopted under Benadby before it folded like a paper airplane. The idea that you can you can deport second, third, fourth generation people from this country were born here as British citizens, didn't come here illegally, became here, worked here, paid their taxes and live here, and they're British citizens. I find that preposterous. The idea you can do that, and I'm speaking as a passionate Welshman, you know, no doubt I've got in my ancestry, I think I've got some German or something like that, hence why all Jew, that's why I've got a big nose.
Starting point is 00:57:22 But anyway, you know, I don't get the idea. that why Restore Reform are fighting, it's like they're either side of a punch bag, and they're both punching the same bag at the same time. They want the same thing. So surely we've got to look at the next general election. Whoever gets into power, I don't care if it's restored Britain.
Starting point is 00:57:39 I don't care if it's reform. All I care about is this country gets rid of labour, gets rid of the Fabian agenda that's at play, gets rid of the mass immigration of country. Not only shuts the borders, as Will has said, that's an old story now. We need to remove these people out of our country. And the greatest concern for me is this,
Starting point is 00:57:55 is indoctrination of our young people in our schools when they're taught about Islam attending mosques when the call to prayer out on our streets. We've seen on the streets of London in Trafalgar where thousands and thousands of Muslims are out on the streets, praying on their mats, protected by the police, given protection by the police. But if we have a demonstration on the right,
Starting point is 00:58:12 the protection afforded to us is nowhere near what they are afforded. I'm sorry to say, but Islam is a death cult in this country. It is going to destroy the UK and if we don't do something in the next 20 to 30 years, this country will be unrecognized. But Lee Harris, my point, and this does play into a lot of what Richard is saying there, but my point, and you know I'm very strong on this, is that when I see people like Camilla Tomine,
Starting point is 00:58:40 people like Poppy Coburn, people like Chloe Dodds, who claim to be patriots and conservatives on the right, using the tactics of the left to dismiss, restore Britain supporters as racists, as extremists, as people who should be thrust out of polite society. I mean, Tom and A was very clear there, wasn't she, that the line has to be drawn. Then I'm sorry, Lee, there's no chance of a unification. No chance.
Starting point is 00:59:13 If you're just going to degrade me and degrade outspoken viewers and say that we're beyond the pale, number one, we're not going to unify with you, but number two, you're not going to win the argument because that's what the left have been doing to you, reform supporters, for years. And so the politics and the personalities in this really matter. And it's like, I'm sorry,
Starting point is 00:59:35 who the hell is Camilla Tominey to decide where the lines? Oh, so Tommy Robinson was really bad. But then all of a sudden it's like, oh shit, Tommy Robinson actually was never racist. He's got lots of black and Asian friends. Oh, so now the line is. line. Now the line has to be Charlie Downs because he is anti-Semitic, because he has claimed that Farage is in some way captured by Israel. Do you understand what I'm saying, Liam, why I get so worked up
Starting point is 00:59:59 about this? It's like, we will never unite if you keep on trying to call us deplorables. Honestly, Tom and A sounds like Hillary Bloody Clinton. You're a basket of deplorables restored Britain supporters. How did that work? Well, guess what Hillary Clinton never became president? Donald Trump did. The deplorables won. I am almost perfectly aligned with you on this, Dan. You took the words right out of my mouth. And you know how my approach has been to this. It is consistent with the view that I'm about to give.
Starting point is 01:00:28 I just don't think attacking Restore or, you know, this kind of friendly fire is doing anybody any favours. I would like to make the separate point that, you know, some of the mainstream media that you see or, you know, what I'd like to think, friendly kind of media, they don't necessarily represent, restore, sorry, reforms policies themselves, their commentators, they should, and I completely agree with your sentiment, they should not be attacking Restore for those same reasons, but I wouldn't necessarily align that to directly with reform policy, but you're absolutely right. This is something the left are really good at and something the right are not good at. We need to, you know, if there's not going to be necessarily a deal with Restore, I don't necessarily
Starting point is 01:01:08 want to get into that. What I want to get into is, is we should be all focusing on what is important I think Richard put this really well that what is important is the next election now there there are a few differences between reform and restore but actually we're pretty much aligned give or take a few differences I don't necessarily I think will's brilliant but I don't necessarily agree that you know if you look at it that reform and restore are going to be completely different I think there's slightly degrees of differences don't get me wrong but I think we're all pushing in the right direction and the way that I look at this is and this is
Starting point is 01:01:41 why I think I'm aligned with what you're saying, Dan, is if we don't get this right, if we do not win this next election as a united right wing and we focus on what really matters, you know, get this conversation about Islam, I agree with a lot of it. You know, I think Netanyahu is right, by the way, I think that you can easily demonstrate the Islamification of the UK when we're having blasphemy laws coming through the back door, when we've got a teacher in hiding in Batali, you know, from Battene grammar school. And we're seeing these mass acts of domination, Sharia courts. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:02:13 But that's what's important is that we, this isn't about the cheesy phrase of uniting the right. This is about strategy. And at the moment, looking at the two parties that can possibly do that, reform do look like they've got a bigger structure in place, a more coordinated structure in place currently to be able to make a challenge at the election.
Starting point is 01:02:31 And Dan, I'm not interested in personalities or egos. What's important to me is my country. I care about England. I care about this country. And that's all the matters to me. The thing is the Islamification of the disunited kingdom is not just being spoken about now by Benjamin Netanyahu, but is becoming mainstream. And do you know, I think two of the most important characters in the future of the United Kingdom, hear me out on this, right? Because a lot of you will be rolling your eyes are actually two comedians.
Starting point is 01:03:04 And I think it's because they are national treasures, highly respected, but also because they're uncounted. cancelable. One is the octogenarian Faulty Towers legend John Cleese, who let's be honest, has gone on a journey from being a hard leftist to now out-and-out supporter of Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain. And the other is Ricky Javis, because Javis is someone who will prick the bubble of the elites. We saw it when he hosted the Golden Globe Awards. And we had a huge development this week, where John Cleese and Ricky Javis united over the issue of halal slaughter, which is of course one of the ways that the United Kingdom is seen itself Islamified. I mean, you know, if you go to Kensington Palace, for example, you have no choice as a Christian person. You have to eat this god-awful halal
Starting point is 01:03:59 meat, which I think should be banned. And what was so interesting about this is that Cleese actually put Jervais on the spot publicly on X. And I think, this is my theory, I think, Cleese was actually thinking that Jervais was not going to respond and he was going to be able to say, oh, you know, I am the one that's prepared to speak out. Ricky isn't going here even though he's an animal rights advocate. But guess what? My man, Ricky Jervais, he didn't back away. So this is what happened. John Cleese asked him, how do you feel about halal slaughter Ricky? And that was because the Ricky Javees show had posted something about Jervase's dogs and you may also know that Ricky has launched a big new series on Netflix called Ali Cats, I think.
Starting point is 01:04:49 I haven't actually watched it yet, but I'm desperate to. I'm going to do it this weekend. It's had very mixed reviews. But Javis just went there and I love him. He's fearless. He replied immediately saying, not a fan, obviously. As a vegan, I'm not a fan of any slaughter, to be honest, but anything that makes it even cruel, a particularly religion is a no from me. Father Calvin Robinson supported this, writing,
Starting point is 01:05:14 I am with John Cleese and Ricky Jervase on this one, remove the religious exemptions for halal and kosher, non-stun slaughter is already illegal because it is cruel, barbaric and not at all British. And I just want to compare and contrast patriots like Ricky Javis and John Cleese who will have these conversations with the leftists who really, should be hounded out of this country because they are not patriots. Two examples. Firstly, Yasmin Alibaya Brown, a woman who we gave everything to, right, that this woman would have nothing if it was not for this country, admitting this week that the only issue that matters is Gaza. And then the nutty Carol Vorderman suggesting that she is going to enter left-wing politics herself.
Starting point is 01:06:06 Watch. I know Andy and I like him, but I still won't vote for him. Why not? Because for me, the only issue that matters at the moment at this point in my life is what's he going to do on Gaza and he hasn't answered. Been for the win. Bin for the win. My maker party's over there. She's always saying you've got to go into politics.
Starting point is 01:06:30 I'm not saying I won't. I got very involved in the maker field by-election because I, you know, I'm a big fan. of Andy Burnham. I'm not saying everything he does is right, because I'm independent as far as a political party is concerned. But I thought he's got to get in and become PM. Otherwise, we could have the awful farage. Trust me, Carol. Make up artists say what you want to hear to shut you up, okay? To the superstar panel, Kizier Novel, Lee, Harris, Richard Taylor and Will Coleshill, all superb independent journalist. So Will. This is really interesting actually because it is restore Britain policy not just to ban halal slaughter, but kosher too. And it's viewed as being
Starting point is 01:07:25 highly controversial. But I love the fact that Ricky DeVease just went there, said something that that most celebrities would not say, okay, sure, he did it in answer to John Cleese. But to me, I felt like it was a moment. I feel like it is a big shifting of the Overton window going on. I think it's absolutely fantastic that they've both spoken out on this issue. For a long time, people been shut down. We were talking earlier about accusations of racism and all of that. People have been shut down on this issue.
Starting point is 01:07:55 People are terrified of speaking about it. But you can go and see it. People can go and watch it. Obviously not right now, but straight after this show, people can go and watch animals being slaughtered on YouTube, both Halal and Kosho, type in Joey Carbstrom and watch them be tortured to death. Watch their throat slit and watch the blood as they're screaming out the slit of their throat and blood is pouring out.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Now, I think that this is going on systematically. Catherine Blakelock has done a fantastic expose on this. 80% of the meat in this country is halal. And still, you've got a few percent of kosher or a small percent that's kosher. Regardless, no animal should be going through this. this. However, I've got to say, it's not just a religious slaughter, it's also the non-religious slaughter, the way that they're gaspigs as well in some of the abattoirs. It is systematic and it goes throughout. Really, what we need is a party that's going to stand up to it. And I'm really glad
Starting point is 01:08:50 that Restore Britain is happy to ignore the people who do all their cries of racist or antisemitic or Islamophobic and do what is right and actually bring equality before the law within this country and say that it is unacceptable with foreign religious practices religious or non-religious to abuse animals we don't do it in this country. Full stop. If you want to do that, get out. Simple. Kesey, no, but what's interesting is this is
Starting point is 01:09:17 one policy area where there is a clear split between Restore Britain and Reform UK. Reform UK does not advocate for the banning of halal. And I think one of the reasons why is because they are very concerned about the Jewish lobby, which obviously says that if kosher slaughter were to be banned, it would effectively force Jewish people out of the country. Now, I've spoken personally to Rupert Lowe about this.
Starting point is 01:09:44 He says it's ridiculous. You could just import the meat. That's true. I personally believe that we should be tolerant of religious freedoms in this country. But at the same time, I think people need the choice. So there shouldn't be halal meat. sold in every establishment. But you disagree with John Cleese and Ricky Javis, just to be clear.
Starting point is 01:10:04 You don't think it should be banned. What's interesting about John Cleese is like he kept his mouth shut when his career was at its height for many, many years when this influx of people were coming into this country. And suddenly now he speaks up because, I mean, he's an older guy. He's got no film coming out. You know, Monty Python's done years ago. So now he's- Shouldn't we celebrate that?
Starting point is 01:10:26 He's free. He's free. He's free. Too little too late. Too little too late. Look, back to my point. So I'm actually, I believe in religious freedoms, but I do also accept that this is a Christian country.
Starting point is 01:10:37 And whichever leader comes into power, if they say, look, we cannot tolerate this based on Christian values, then people who are living here have to accept those rules or go elsewhere. Again, from my position, I think that halal and cautious sword is not really top of my list. Because from what I've understood is that when they do cut the throat of the animal, although it looks horrific, the nervous system is completely cut also, so they don't actually feel the pace.
Starting point is 01:11:01 What if it's pre-stunners? Will your shake, you're shaking your head at that way. That's just not true. You can go and watch it right now. You can see the video that was still pressing out, put out a while back when they came out with this policy. Animals are being tortured.
Starting point is 01:11:14 You can see them bivering around in pain. It's prolonging the suffering. It's happening to millions upon millions of animals. Just think of the scale every year. All of these animals suffering. You talk about Christ, values, where are yours? Where are your Christian values to stand against the most barbaric, rancid, systematic animal abuse? And where are those of reform you get? Why wouldn't you stand up
Starting point is 01:11:36 for defences animal? Why won't you ask the Green Party on this? Why won't you actually bring over people who care about animal rights? Because this is where Restore Britain is actually reaching to a bunch of young people. But where's your principle? Like, it's not been a choice for animal George. As I said, I've watched counter videos to this about how the nervous system is cut off so they don't feel the pain. I'm not a scientist. I don't know. Maybe you're absolutely right. And these videos that I've watched of experts saying they don't feel the level of pain as it looks, maybe you're right. But my point is that if a leader comes in and says this is a Christian country and we're not going to allow kosher slaughter or allow slaughter, then I think people do have to
Starting point is 01:12:16 accept that this is a Christian country. Look, I would, I really like to bring, no, hold on, you're asking me my Christian values. I'm not a Christian, but I would like to see the Sunday rules apply again to opening hours because I think it was a good thing. You know, so I was... Animals being tortured to death. What about your leader? Nigra Fragh, why won't he stand up against animals being tortured in their millions upon millions upon millions?
Starting point is 01:12:39 He believes in religious freedom. Richard Taylor, you want to come in? Look, religious privilege. Yeah, I think what you have to realize, Farage realizes this, right? 90% of the people in this country don't care about halal meat. If you go to subway, they now serve it. They don't care. It's convenience.
Starting point is 01:12:53 If you've got to McDonald's, they now serve it. Most of our supermarkets are selling it. Most people in this country on issues of policy and political parties having a stance on halal meat, 80 to 90% of the general public don't care. They don't care where they get, how the meat gets to their shelves onto their table for their dinner. What they care about, have I got enough money to buy the food in the first place on the cost of living? These are issues that we will talk about and we will debate and parties will have their own stance and policies, whether it's restores or, you know, with a Green Party or, you know, reform.
Starting point is 01:13:25 But at the end of the day, if I was to go out to here now today, out of the studio and walk down the street and ask people, do you know they serve halal meat in that restaurant you just had food? They don't care. They literally don't care. People don't care. And I think Nigel understands that. He gets it. It's not a massive issue.
Starting point is 01:13:42 And it's becoming a huge issue. Will's raised it for certain reasons. Ricky Jervais, by the way, he is the antidote to the walkerati. He's absolutely fantastic. I think he's brilliant. And John Cleese speaking out more recently has been great as well. So it's great to see these actors and these people in the media coming out finally, celebrities that are not woke and PC. It was fantastic.
Starting point is 01:14:00 But my point is this, you're not going to win an election based on banning halal, right? Let's get that straight. People don't care. It's only people in political parties who think they can gain a few votes here and there. And what do you do with the Jews? If you get rid of caution meat, what happens then? Do the Jewish communities leave? Rupert Lowell's point is importing meat.
Starting point is 01:14:18 We don't want to import meat to this country. We want to support our own farmers. So go to your local butchers, go to your local farmer, find out if you don't want halal, find out how that is slaughtered at the arbiteratea. And if you don't agree with halal, then don't buy from that butcher. The problem is in so many places now, there is no choice. There is no choice. And that is the problem.
Starting point is 01:14:39 Because it's like, yeah, and I hear what you're saying about Subway, for example. But the problem is a lot of people will go to Subway, not particularly wanting halal meat, but go to subway because it is cheap and convenient. Lee Harris, where do you stand on the celebrity side of this? I just love to see. You know I'm not big on celebrities and politics because on the whole, it's this absolute woke topean approach
Starting point is 01:15:06 and it is quite unbearable. So I like the fact that with John Cleese, and by the way, like I actually have negative history with John Cleese, like this is not a personal thing. I just like the fact that what he is starting, to do is shift the Overton window on some of these issues and maybe make it more acceptable for celebrities to back issues that have in the past been considered taboo. Agreed. Completely agree with that point. And it is an important one. I love the fact they just
Starting point is 01:15:32 don't care. As it happens, I agree with them. I'm much more coming at this from an animal welfare point of view. And well, for two reasons. And I'll give them very clear two reasons why I agree with what we're always saying, to be honest. Firstly, is the animal welfare We're British. We don't do that sort of thing. We're an animal-loving country and I don't care what religion you are. I absolutely love my Jewish friends and same with the other side. I just don't we don't do that in this country and we should set our own standards and it's about standing up for our culture. So there's the first reason. The second reason is I just I don't think that the halal, which is right when he says that the halal argument is not as important to other voters. I completely get that. But it does have a cultural, doing this does have a cultural impact.
Starting point is 01:16:22 And it kind of backs up one of the first points is where I was saying that it, you know, is standing up for British values. So I do think it sends a clear message. This is Britain. This is how we do things. And like Dan's already said that Rupert makes the point I was making, you can just input, you can have imports of this meat, but as a general rule, I do not want to go to Subway or McDonald's and be fed something that I do not know how that's being
Starting point is 01:16:46 slaughtered as someone who deeply cares about how animals and will's right they these animals do suffer it's absolutely unnecessary i don't like it we we don't do that sort of thing in this country i do not want that to be essentially condoned by someone selling that to me and me paying into that meat without knowing so i think the right thing to do is to ban it now would i would this change my view on whether i would vote restore or reform no it wouldn't partly for the reasons that that richard's saying but the other reasons that i you know nothing's set in stone, we could potentially have a change of, but if that is the only difference, you know, if we're talking about whether I would choose to vote for restore or reform based
Starting point is 01:17:25 on this, it would not change my view, but you have my view. And do you know what? I don't think it's wise to attack reform as a whole on this either, because I think you'll find a lot of reform voters will probably agree with me in terms of, you know, the fact that we probably shouldn't do this in this country. We're British. We have higher standards. We don't like to see animals suffer. But I also think they'll agree on the cultural issue as well. But do I think it's a game changer in terms of whether people are going to vote for one party or another? No, I don't. But I do think it's an important issue.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Just put the show out of its misery. The words of a senior loose woman insider to me as the woke ITV daytime panel show, which has lost its mojo, is now losing its biggest stars. Not only is Nadia Sawala suing ITV over her vaccine connected to her position on the Palestinian debate, Denise Welsh, long regarded as one of the most famous show panelists, has followed the likes of Carol McGiffin out the door quitting after 25 years to focus on acting she claims. However, my loose women insider telling me, It is her choice, but it's not just about the acting.
Starting point is 01:18:49 Loose women, they say, is dying a very slow and painful death, and it is painful to see. I don't understand why any of them do it anymore. No one needs to, and it's just embarrassing how they are clinging on. As for Nadia not surprised, they suspended her and can't believe that it took so long when there's something in the loose women contract about political involvement. So here's how Denise Welsh dropped the bombshell Rocky Night TV. I'm leaving loose women after, poor, best part of 25 years off and on. I did leave for about seven years and went back in 2018.
Starting point is 01:19:37 And this show has been part of mine and my family's life for, well, nearly a quarter of a century. I have the most wonderful, wonderful memories. And it's just that acting has always been my first love and I think the thing I'm best at. And at the moment, I'm having the most wonderful opportunities coming my way. And I'm grabbing them by the you know what's and running with it for this new chapter of my life. And so I just wanted to say that in person to thank all of the people who have shared my stories with me. shared my life with you, the good, the bad and the ugly. I'm very marmite, but I cherish all the comments, good or bad, that I've had over the years. And I just hope you wish me well for this
Starting point is 01:20:30 new exciting chapter in my life. I'll miss everybody, but I will remain friends with the whole gang, because despite what you might read, we are a happy band of company. Oh, Denise, pull the other one. And by the way, I have a long history. with Denise, we used to party together back in our showbors days when she was still on the source. Then we totally bonded politically over our views in regards to the COVID lockdown. She was even a guest on my former G.B. News show and Talk TV show. Then we had a monumental falling out over Megan Markle. I was of course right. Now, Karol McGiffin, who has also quit Luce Moon because it's just gone too woke, commented on Denise's announcement saying,
Starting point is 01:21:15 can't believe you stuck it out for so long. Upwards and upwards it is then. I won't see you up there, but I hope to see you down here some time. Now, remember, loose women is in deep trouble. They have had to cut the number of episodes a year and only broadcast for six months a year. They've had to cut the studio audience. They just can't afford it anymore. And they've also decided to cut Nadia Sawala over her controversial views on the Palestinian conflict, leading her to announce she is now taking legal action against woke ITV. My legal team at ELSC have today written to ITV alleging that I have been treated unlawfully due to my protected beliefs. Now before I say anything else, I want to say how sad I am that it's
Starting point is 01:22:03 got to this. Believe me, I have appealed to ITVs, hearts and minds, but to no avail. So after I began speaking publicly in support of Palestine in December 20203, I became the target of an escalating campaign of smears, complaints, hostile media coverage and targeted calls to have me removed from loose women. Now, she has taken legal action already, by the way, against other media outlets who have apologised and paid damages. And since then, ITV have taken me on and off-loose women a number of times. I've mostly been told that the reason for this was, and I quote, it's all a bit noisy out there for us. In July 26, after I've been taken off air again, and Mark was running as a Green Councilor,
Starting point is 01:22:54 a number of newspapers made false allegations about us, accusing us of supporting terrorism and being anti-Semitic, disgusting. So far, two of the papers have had to issue apologies and pay damages and other cases are still pending. Nadia said that Woke ITV kept moving the goalposts regarding whether she would be on or off the show. ITV have continued to take me on and off, Lisa Women, forever changing the goalposts, whilst also saying they couldn't guarantee they wouldn't take me off again, as it would depend on what was said, even though I'm hired for being an opinionated woman on a discussion show, and I've never brought up or spoken about Palestine directly on the show. And she has now launched a petition against Woke ITV to try and fight her being removed.
Starting point is 01:23:49 What a mess. So as well as taking legal action against ITV, there is a petition that we would love you and yours to sign. Two years ago, a petition to get me removed from loose women was set up, but now I want to show there are many more people with us than against us. I want to make it clear it's not just me that has been targeted like this for my beliefs. There are the teachers, doctors, nurses, charity and supermarket workers and students who've also spoken according to their conscience and have suffered a similar fate as me. Well, enough is enough. We need to send a clear message to ITV and other groups,
Starting point is 01:24:31 and corporations that we won't be scared into silence. No one should be bullied out of their job for following their conscience and speaking out against brutal oppression. Thank you. Look, loose women used to be great, right? Do you remember the days when Sherry Houston was on the panel? She has spoken out about this too now saying she believes that the women no longer have the same freedom.
Starting point is 01:25:01 to speak on the show. She said times have changed, but we were very free and we could talk about anything. We could say anything. We could discuss what we wanted, but now you can't. It's a very different time. You have to be controlled. You can't say this. You can't say that. It was just very free. It was just women talking, but we didn't think anybody was watching. And I don't think they were. But we were. I mean, actually, Luceman was brilliant back in the day. Let me bring in my superstar panel on this. I guess I've got to go to Kesea first for obvious reasons. Ah, Kezia, I mean, I just feel like they've got to put this show out of its misery. Like, it is totally woke.
Starting point is 01:25:40 You go woke, you go broke. No one wants to hear these rich, famous woke women sort of skirting around the issues of the day. And even though personally, I don't agree with Nadia Sualla's position on the Palestinian issue, at the same time, I'm a free speech absolutist. So it's a bit like, well, surely she should be allowed to have that conversation as long, as they would bring someone like you on, Kezia, a Zionist, to actually have the debate with her. Instead, they just avoid it all together. Dan, they'll never have me on.
Starting point is 01:26:11 I mentioned this before. Women never invite me on their shows, ever. The only person that ever invited me on their show is Nana from GB News. Nana are invited. They don't follow me on social. Keziah, do you know what? They're threatened by your beauty. I'm just going to be honest about it.
Starting point is 01:26:26 Maybe 10 years ago they were, not so much now. But anyway, thank you, Dan, for that. Thank you. But it's true, isn't it? Other women don't always support other women. Well, I do. I have beautiful. I love having beautiful women on my show.
Starting point is 01:26:39 It brings in views, doesn't it? So, look, I didn't like this panel show. I don't like all female panels. I just don't like it. It's just a personal choice. I think women go around the houses a lot with their point, and they don't just make the point. The second point is Nadia.
Starting point is 01:26:58 Yeah, I mean, yes, I'm a free speech, absolute disorder. So yes, she's allowed to yap on about Gaza. But she was yapping on about Gaza in 2003 whilst the October of the 7th victims' bodies were still warm. So she wasn't yapping about it, you know, one year later when, you know, there was like serious concerns about how much Israel was bombing in Gaza. She was doing it very, very early on this woman. That's a red flag for me. But also, Lee Harris, there's a hypocrisy element to it too. Right, because look, Nadia, where were you when Pearz Morgan was being cancelled for attacking Megan Markle, for example? Do you see what I mean? The leftists never care when right wingers are
Starting point is 01:27:41 cancelled from Woke ITV. So I just think that's why I don't want to be a hypocrite on this issue, Lee. I have called out what Nadia Sawala has said, but actually I agree with her that ITV shouldn't just axe people because of their political views. But then that also means they can't axe restore Britain supporters or Tommy Robinson supporters. And by the way, they did. Luce Women, do you know this? They banned Sammy Woodhouse. You know, the brilliant Pakistani Muslim rape gang survivor. And she used to be a regular on Luce Women. And she was traveling down to London. She had been booked to be on the show. It was announced, they cancelled her, Lee. Guess why they had worked out that she had been working for Tommy Robinson's media outlet, Urban Scoop,
Starting point is 01:28:25 and they have never had her on since. So the point is, did not. Nadia Swala called that out. Do you see what I mean? It's like the left only care when the left are cancelled. I think on the right, we care when anyone is cancelled. Yeah, there's definitely some hypocrisy there. I mean, I think Nadia's a bit of a nut case. It's my personal opinion.
Starting point is 01:28:44 She's gone down the kind of dawned French route of doing these weird, you know, to the camera things, purely a person opinion. I agree. She's entitled to that opinion. I also think there's a difference. You know, we were just discussing Ricky Jervais, how he just very subtly stood up for his view. I don't think that's what's not.
Starting point is 01:28:59 is doing she's gone down this whole kind of obsessive activist route that genuinely makes her look like a nut job so i can kind of understand why loose women didn't want the hassle of that kind of controversy because and this is another point even though i agree celebrities should be allowed to have their opinions absolutely as much i dislike gary linica i think the guy is entitled to his view but if you do that you are going to piss off a certain percentage of your audience again another reason why kind kind of get it but let's be honest denise is uh basically just you know jumping from a sinking shit i agreed with i agreed exactly what you said at the beginning dan this is just woke nonsense that you know the overton window has moved the british public has moved we don't really like this
Starting point is 01:29:42 anymore they're probably their audience is probably only you know the kind of champagne socialists in the nice part of london i don't think anyone cares about lucian anymore i'm not going to lie i don't you know because richard it used to be quite good was fun richard was wasn't it, when it was wild and outrageous. Well, yeah, in a previous incarnation of yourself, Dan, when you were the entertainment reported on Lorraine. I worked with all of these guys. I know you did.
Starting point is 01:30:06 Very closely. I know you're on there regular. That's why I first got to know. You actually didn't see anyone there. And then you've gone into politics and everything else and this kind of thing. Look, I'm not a great fan of loose women. It's not my cup of tea. Like, the only way is Essex or Love Island, all these programs.
Starting point is 01:30:20 I just don't see the point in them. But I'm a male. I'm unblock, right? I like watching blood guts and Rambo and fights and, you know. So each to their own, right? But I can imagine the audiences that they're pulling in. If you look at the time of day that it's on, the audience is quite small anyway. So it's not as if they're going to have a huge viewing figures.
Starting point is 01:30:36 But I think these things where people use as a political platform, let's not forget, when it comes to people like Garolinicaa that at least just mentioned there, he was being paid a lot of money by the British taxpayer. So to use that platform when he's being paid by tax money, our money, to push those political views, I think was wrong. So for that reason, I don't agree on that. But I think with loose women, look, it's done and dusted, it's gone. It's another show that's going to be folded very shortly.
Starting point is 01:31:02 And how they treated Sammy Woodhouse was absolutely disgraceful because, of course, she had a view, like Nad did it as well. At every view, I believe in the freedom of speech on that hill I will die. It doesn't matter what your opinion is, it needs to be heard. Even if it is something, it's distasteful, it's horrible, it's heinous. We need to hear what people are saying. Otherwise, we don't have the opportunity to come back with debating and constructive criticism. Willie, you a fan of loose women?
Starting point is 01:31:23 I'm going to be honest, Dan, I was shocked to discover breaking news today that loose women is actually still going. So I'm amazed. The 30 weeks of the year only now. I thought it ended about 15 years ago. It probably should have. That was like loose women at its peak. I've seen. But what I would say is I am sort of quite worried about the silencing of free speech with regards to Israel.
Starting point is 01:31:52 I mean, we've talked about it today. People do get shut down for it. I do think, yes, we should limit our sympathy when someone's on the left and if they've been calling for people to be cancelled. I don't know if that's this in this case. But I am worried, and I believe I mentioned this earlier, worried about organisations that go around and shut people down purely for criticising foreign states, like the campaign against anti-semitism, which is an organisation that goes round using hate speech legislation to go and imprison people, to try putting people in prison for speaking. And I'm still, I want to sort of know from Bezier, why is Reform UK happy to go down to marches of an organisation that purposely has private prosecutions to lock people up for hate speech?
Starting point is 01:32:36 Casey, a final word to you. Look, I'm not against a free speech. I believe in free speech. I don't know why you think I'm not. Like if people want to yap on about Gaza and Israel, fine. I'm just saying that she did it very, very early on, whilst the bodies of the victims of October 7th were still warm. And, you know, I just, I feel like a lot of people in this country,
Starting point is 01:33:00 most of them are Muslim, put Gaza and put Palestine before this country, more than the Jews put Israel before this country. So you denounce the campaign against anti-Semitism and locking up people for free speech? No, of course not. No one should be locked up for this. You denounce them. You denounce the organisation. Which organisation is this, that you're speaking?
Starting point is 01:33:21 campaign against anti-semitism, anti-semitism the org that goes around locking up people for speaking. They specifically use hate speech legislation to try and put people in prison, including if they make comparisons of Israel to Nazis, stuff like that. You can say it's disfavorable, but they will class that as anti-semitism and try and put people in prison. That's unacceptable. That is not... But they don't achieve it. They don't achieve it. They have put people in prison. They have. They have put I covered the trial of one woman that they actually, their complaint led to her going to prison. What is she saying something violent? Was she trying to? No, nothing violent, nothing violent, something kooky, but nothing violent. And she was put in prison. They conduct private prosecutions against people and they put them in prison. It is disgusting. And I want this, will you denounce this organization? I do not believe anyone should be put into prison for opinions, no. Okay. So you denounce the organization? I don't know. I've never heard of this.
Starting point is 01:34:20 organisation. I don't know thoroughly enough. I'm not going to denounce something I don't know. I mean the four UK MPs have heard about it and they're going on marches for this organisation. There's a problem in this country though. Yeah, sure. But I mean, should you be aligned with an organisation that puts people in prison for speech against our rights as Englishmen? I personally don't believe anyone should be put into prison for opinions. Good stuff. So you denounce any organisation that's that. They don't know then. Okay. Brilliant stuff. Thank you. so much to the superstar panel. What a day. What a day. Look, there they all are. Superb,
Starting point is 01:34:57 independent broadcasters. Make sure you subscribe and follow them all. Of course, Richard Taylor is the host of Richie and Rogue Unfiltered. That is on YouTube. Lee Harris has his own brilliant YouTube channel now. Really recommend you subscribe. So does Kezi A Noble. She has obviously been going for a long time, a huge amount of subscribers on YouTube. And what? Will Coleshill. He is the man behind resistance G.B., which you should subscribe to as well. Thank you so much. Really good spirited debates on this big news day. But before we go, we are going to reveal the worst Britain in the world today. Your nominees, James O'Brien, Jess Phillips, Kay Burley, and Owen Jones. Southern Cross 9302 says,
Starting point is 01:35:41 I think Jess Phillips is the worst. She actually had a job to do as an MP and could have done something. Verena Charles, 6232 says they all deserve it. But it has, has to be Jess Phillips, the safeguard minister. I saw time and again how on Parliament she would dodge serious questions and smirk. I find her behaviour disgraceful. Ex-Scottfly 23 says it has to be Kay Burley. I believe she is actually acting in bad faith on purpose, sort of trolling people to get a reaction with her posts about migrants. She seems like a deeply unhappy person. I shudder to think what this ghoul is like behind closed doors. From Wendy Roger 1. I honestly think Owen Jones must have been dropped on his head as a kid a few times at least. Roger Britain 2106 says they are all as
Starting point is 01:36:20 as each other. Owen Jones, though, he brings a whole new meaning to the word stupid. Zadako 24 says it has to be Owen Jones. He's like that annoying moss, but you keep thinking is flowing out the window, but turns out he's still not gone away. Greybeard 3291 says James O'Brien could have spent the week feeding starving orphans and saving lost puppies and he'd still be the worst Britain of the week. Gopcast Gt, Gt 12, says James O'Brien, in my opinion, is the worst Britain every time he opens as self-righteous, I love myself. Gob. And Lee Zip, says James O'Brien, ask a question, don't take any of it in, and just keep talking over and over everybody. Narcissism manifested. Okay, let me get to the results. We have had over 30,000 votes
Starting point is 01:37:02 today. You are incredible. In fourth position, Kay Burley with 8%. In third position with 12% it's Owen Jones. The runner-up with 24% Jess Phillips, but the worst Britain in the world this week with a whopping 156% of the vote is James O'Brien. Okay, P Diner's standing by. We're moving over to Substack now to catch up with her in the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow, www. www.w. www.com. If you want to join, I hope you have a fabulous weekend.
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