Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE BANNED FROM CONSERVATIVES OVER RIOT TRUTH TELLING W/ FATHER CALVIN ROBINSON | OUTSPOKEN EP #29

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

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Starting point is 00:01:30 time to irrelevance forevermore. Oh, they've also decided to blame him for the riots too. More on that soon. But in my digest today I'll show you how the UK has become an international laughing stock as the jail sentences dished out to folks simply exercising their right to free speech become more severe and dystopian. Also coming up on the show, Father Calvin Robinson goes to war with Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, over his attacks on the far right. He's here to tell me why. This morning goes gender mad over teenage boys being asked if they're pregnant by doctors.
Starting point is 00:02:07 And the sick left-wing bullying of Liz Truss continues. She's lashed out at that moment i'll tell you what she said plus why is prince harry missing his uncle's funeral his own uncle's funeral over security concerns it was going to be in norfolk while traveling this week to columbia and we have a very special uncancelled after show today with the esteemed royal journalist Robert Jobson, author of the new number one Sunday Times best selling biography of Catherine, the Princess of Wales. So massive royal revelations coming up from him. You do not want to miss it. And you can register to watch on our own website at www.outspoken.live. Most importantly, especially given everything that I'm about to talk about in the digest, this is a safe space
Starting point is 00:03:11 free of government censorship, free of big tech censorship. So your support at just £5 a month not only gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday, it also allows me to continue making this independent daily news show. Let's go. A retired 61-year-old former train driver from Sutton has become the latest victim of two-tier cares woke Stasi. Now, David Spring, he has been jailed for 18 months, but he hasn't been jailed for violence, but for hurty words. So while attending the Whitehall demonstration after the Southport massacre two weeks ago to, in his words, complain about people being put up in hotels, he shouted abuse at the police officers and joined the tasteless chant, Who the F is Allah, Allah, Allah, which is a popular song at some of these marches,
Starting point is 00:04:09 according to the mainstream media. Now, this is behavior he's very embarrassed about. In fact, he says he's ashamed about. He's apologized. This is a man of exemplary character, previously anyway. He's the full-time carer for his ill wife. But he was sent down immediately by the judge, who was instituting authoritarian Slippery Starmer's approach of zero tolerance for free speech.
Starting point is 00:04:37 As the conservative commentator Chris Rose posted on X, 18 months? For this? Meanwhile, shouting intifada equals no arrest. Shouting F the Jews, F their mothers, rape their daughters equals the charges dropped by the CPS. The genocidal from the river to the sea slogan against Jews projected onto Big Ben equals no arrests. A similar theme from Maya Tusi who juxtaposed the story of the Sutton Man with a headline that read, All charges over convoy who shouted rape Jewish daughters are dropped. Maya then added, Two headlines, two legal judgments, two-tier country.
Starting point is 00:05:17 This is the United Kingdom. There are so many of these stories in the UK now where free speech is dead. Take this man. And Darren Grimes told his story today by writing, I honestly can't believe what I've just read. Cellar field worker Lee Joseph Dunn was given a prison sentence after appearing at Carlisle Magistrates Court for sharing three Facebook posts. Prosecutor George Shelley explained the posts showed groups of Asian men with captions like coming to a town
Starting point is 00:05:52 near you after hopping off a small boat and when it's on your turf then what. One image even depicted a man wielding knives in front of the Palace of Westminster. As Darren says, let's be clear, none of these posts incite violence, which should be the only threshold for jailing someone over their speech. But here we are, tossing someone in prison for expressing a few however controversial views. Even if you disagree with what Dunn posted, you should be deeply concerned by this new totalitarianism. What will you do if one day your own speech is deemed hate speech by this ever-expanding definition? It's not hyperbole to say that free speech in Britain is on life support. And sly news has seemingly been celebrating a 12-year-old being caught up in the legal system
Starting point is 00:06:40 as a result of the riots. 12 years old, come on. Responding to Northamptonshire police sending down a young man for social media posts. Our guest today, Father Calvin Robinson wrote, knife crime is at an all-time high in the UK. Our country has major problems with burglary, fraud, domestic violence. Remember when governments used to encourage the police to address these issues, like the war on drugs? Well, now we have a war on hurty words on social media. This is all so over the top, all so over the top. There are so many stories. What about Lucy Connolly, the wife of a conservative councillor? She is behind bars on remand because of her social media post. That is an indignity usually reserved for violent criminals who pose an ongoing danger to the
Starting point is 00:07:32 public. As Sean B. W. wrote, remand should only be used if the suspect is likely to commit further suspected crimes. What would Lucy Connolly do? Another exasperated post inspired by the murder of three girls in Southport. This is pre-trial deterrence and surely an abuse of the judicial process. How can our media and our political elites not realize that this is nuts and it's sowing further discontent because punishing rioters for violence is one thing, but these trumped up charges based on angry social media posts represents a very slippery slope. Thank God our American friends seem to realise what's happening.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Here's Ted Cruz. Free speech is under assault in the United Kingdom. They are sentencing people to jail for social media posts. It is tragic. The Magna Carta is on fire. And the question is, is this coming to America? The United Kingdom is threatening to go after Americans, including Elon Musk, who they're targeting directly, and try to prosecute them for free speech. Kamala Harris and Tim Walz embrace the same radical views. The Magna Carta is on fire.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Think about that. Think about our reputation around the world. And what's most shocking is that when Tuti Akeer was director of public prosecutions, failing to press charges against BBC paedophile Jimmy Savile, by the way, but when he was director of public prosecutions, he actually seemed to believe in free speech. Listen. Where communication is, as it were, merely offensive, grossly offensive, etc., then principles of free speech and free expression require there to be a high threshold and dictate that a prosecution is unlikely to be in the public interest in many of those cases. And the factors which will suggest people might not be prosecuted include things like deleting it quickly if you've sobered up in the morning.
Starting point is 00:09:48 Can you explain about that? One thing that's very important in this area is that where free speech protects the subject matter, a prosecution prosecution is proportionate, the question of whether a communication is removed quickly, whether the individual expresses remorse, whether access to the communication is blocked, these are obviously relevant to any assessment of proportionality. And will it be more or less likely for individuals to be prosecuted criminally now when they're using Twitter or Facebook, do you think? It's not possible to say whether it's more or less likely.
Starting point is 00:10:24 There simply haven't been enough cases. But this is clearly signalling that in those cases that are protected by freedom of expression, then there's a double safeguard, a high threshold and consideration of the public interest before a prosecution will be brought. So what has happened to that Keir Starmer? Well let me tell you, power corrupts. Two-tier Keir knows he can't solve the very real challenges facing the UK
Starting point is 00:10:53 with his hard left policy prescription by throwing open the borders. So he'll just try and shut up his rivals and work with a compliant mainstream media who also want to censor social media and free speech to save their own dinosaurs. It's so wrong. And we must not blindly accept this sort of extremism. It's truck month at GMC. Tackle the open road with added confidence in the 2025 Sierra 1500 Pro Graphite at 0% financing for up to 72 months. With an available 5.3 liter V8 engine, 20 inch high gloss black painted aluminum wheels, off-road suspension with available 2 inch factory installed lift kit,
Starting point is 00:11:39 plus a towing capacity of up to 13,200 pounds you'll be ready for anything this truck month truck month is on now ask your GMC dealer for details but now it's time to bring in today's outsider Father Calvin Robinson and Father Calvin you really are an outsider today because you're coming to us from outside the United Kingdom. I won't reveal where, but there you are with Lawrence Fox, Fox and Father, on a boat. But you're working hard and I so appreciate you joining us. Because obviously, Kelvin, my goodness, this is now becoming so serious that you have American senators like Ted Cruz who understand the importance of freedom speech, talking about the Magna Carta being on fire. I presume you agree.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Absolutely, I agree. And I think it's fantastic that we have so many Americans speaking out in support to help us, because there's going to come a time where our voices are silenced. It feels like there's a massive clampdown on anyone on the centre-right or the right wing of politics in the United Kingdom. We're seeing people not just banned from social media these days, but sent to prison and rushed through the court system too. You know, at the same time as we can't get paedophiles, rapists, murderers, or burglars pushed through the court system, somehow they find a way to push through people who write hurting words on social media. So I feel like we're going to come to a time when people like you and I are going to be silenced.
Starting point is 00:13:07 So we're going to need voices in America to stand up for us and to help us. At least they enshrined their protections to free speech in their law, which we do not really have in this country. Now, it's absolutely terrifying what's going on. And I want to talk a lot about the idea of potentially a blasphemy law coming in by the back door in just a moment. But first, Calvin, can we speak about David Spring, right? Jailed for 18 months for hurty words at this Whitehall demonstration. Calvin, a guy of perfect character in the past. He wasn't violent. He didn't join in any of the attacks on the police. He was part of a couple of these tasteless chants. But jailing him for 18 months, retiree, 61 years old, when he's the full time carer for his wife, who is ill.
Starting point is 00:13:54 To me, Kelvin, this is a country losing the plot. It is absolutely. I'm no expert in the law, but when I read this case and I see there are so many caveats in the judge's words, when he says this could cause or some people might, it's always like, well, who are these people and when would this happen? And in fact, what they're doing is. He didn't actually get arrested for saying what the chant is actually for inciting or potential to incite. And there's nothing wrong with the chant. I want to I want to know the answer to the question who the F is Allah. Who the F is Allah? It's a wrong with the chant. I want to know the answer to the question, who the F is Allah? Who the F is Allah? It's a fair question to ask. And if that's going to cause people to get arrested,
Starting point is 00:14:29 then I'm going to keep parroting it until they can come and arrest me too. Because it's not fair. It's not right. It's not English to arrest someone for saying such a simple thing. Because who decides? Who decides? Because, Kelvin, imagine if we started to bang up
Starting point is 00:14:43 every member of the pro-Hamas marchers who had chanted from the river to the sea. Now, personally, I don't want that to happen. I'm a free speech absolutist, but lots of people feel that from the river to the sea is a genocidal chant, which is inciting violence. So this is why I think it's such a slippery slope. I heard that just the other day.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I'm staying in Oxford. Well, not at the moment, but in general, I'm staying in Oxford. I walked down the street and I saw a load of Mohammedans shouting from the river to the sea. They'd clearly just been to mosque. In fact, I walked around the corner and saw their mosque and they're all fighting each other outside the mosque, which I thought, you know, symptomatic of the state of the country that we're in right now. But the fact that they could say that and get away with it. In fact, I've heard people say genocide to the Jews, kill all jews in the center of our capital city and get away with it but if you and i tweet something that is slightly right wing we could potentially be arrested so i think when kia
Starting point is 00:15:33 starmer gets up there and says i believe in free speech you know we're going to set a high criteria what he's talking about there is protecting the free speech of people who agree with him for the approved narrative but the rest of us there is no political argument against what we're saying we are speaking the truth and his only thing that he can do is shut us down and what he's got calvin is a supine mainstream media who are on his side and why he's been quite clever why he thinks he's been quite clever is what he's doing calvin behind the scenes is reassuring the mainstream media, reassuring the newspapers, reassuring the broadcasters. Oh, this isn't about
Starting point is 00:16:09 you. We believe in freedom of the speech when it comes to a free press. But the problem is, Calvin, you can't trust the mainstream media. Imagine if we'd listened to the mainstream media narrative over COVID. It was brave folk on social media speaking out against the narrative that was actually able to turn things around. Yes. And as a German Lutheran bishop once said, at first they came for the socialists. I did not speak up because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the communists. I did not speak up because I was not a communist. Then they came for the Jews. I did not speak up because I was not a Jew. Then they came up for me and there was no one to speak up because no one was left.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And that's exactly where we're going to find ourselves if the complicit mainstream media keep going along with this, and if people on the centre-left keep going along with this, celebrating when people are cancelled, arrested, charged, and rushed into prison, rushed through the system of centre prison. If they keep celebrating when it happens to their opponents, one day it will happen to them too. It's so short-sighted.
Starting point is 00:17:06 We need to wake people up and say, free speech works for me, but it also works for you. It's important for us all. Exactly. And they shouldn't be arrogant, Calvin, because journalists actually have no enshrined rights in the law. So if you can arrest a citizen for a tweet, you can also arrest a journalist for the same thing. But some of these people who have been locked up Kelvin seem to have been making political points that's what I don't understand so if you look at the work of Lee Joseph Dunn who Darren Grimes spoke about 18 months I think he got at
Starting point is 00:17:35 the Carlisle Crown Court he shared three Facebook posts now let's just look into these Facebook posts Kelvin some people might think they, Calvin. Some people might think they're tasteless. Some people might think they're rude, but I cannot see how they are illegal. One showed a group of Asian men with the caption coming to a town near you after hopping off a small boat. Another one said, when it's on your turf, then what? One image depicted men wielding knives in front of the palace of westminster can that calvin be be an incitement to violence in some way if it's just a picture i'm not sure i mean we have to be very clear on this incitement to violence means you're calling people to violence we've always known what that meant until now now they're saying it could be perceived as
Starting point is 00:18:23 incitement to violence, or some people could potentially be angry and cause offence and therefore be inspired to violence from this. And what they're doing is they're twisting the wording. They're playing semantics on purpose. Because you and I know that if we say, okay, let's go and get our knives, let's go cause trouble, that's an incitement to violence. If I say, actually, there are too many people coming over our shores, flooding our shores, people who are military-aged men, what is going on? That is not an incitement to violence, but they don't like it.
Starting point is 00:18:47 They find it offensive. Therefore, they call it hateful. And because they call it hateful, they say it could inspire hatred in others and therefore potentially cause incitement to violence. They're jumping through loopholes, mental gymnastics, in order to arrest people for saying things they do not like. Right now, I feel like I'm in political exile, Dan.
Starting point is 00:19:02 I actually do not want to return to my country. I love my country. I don't want to go back. I don't want to go home. I feel like anything I do or say would cause me to get locked up. Absolutely. And Calvin, we're all so concerned about our liberty. We're concerned about our ability to make money because there is so much press now coming on the social media companies. So effectively, what the government and mainstream media are conspiring to do is shut down the ability for Brits to access information in the way that they choose. It is chilling. It is terrifying. And look, things are bad in some ways in the US, but even under a democratic government for the past four years, they would never consider this sort of madness.
Starting point is 00:19:43 And I understand because I've thought lots of things in my head, Calvin. I'm like, am I going to have to move overseas in order to be able to broadcast to the UK? And then I've also thought, Calvin, what are they going to do, these social media platforms, when this new law comes in? Because by the way, these new laws, these chilly new laws that starmer wants to introduce the idea of harmful but legal speech and social media companies having to be able to remove it that doesn't protect tucker carlson or megan kelly or steve bannon or dave rubin or dan bongino or ben shapero just because they're broadcasting from the us So are we really going to be in a situation where platforms that believe in free speech like X
Starting point is 00:20:29 and like Rumble will not be able to operate in the UK? They would have to geo-block, which would make us like China, like North Korea, like Russia, and mark my words, that's what these laws are designed to do I mean they're already doing it in practice just this week I had one of my videos demonetised on YouTube I looked to which one it was, it was an interview I had
Starting point is 00:20:52 with Tommy Robinson where I sat down with him and asked him so many deep questions to find out about his history is he a racist? What was EDL? Why did he say this? All questions that people want to know, or I believe that people want to know the answers to. YouTube took it it off said this cannot be monetized because it's with a dangerous individual like what's dangerous about information what's dangerous about asking
Starting point is 00:21:12 the person what does he truly believe in like they could say well you're inside inciting violence if you're saying okay get up the streets and cause violence but if you're just having a conversation with someone it can't do that so on one hand, they're already taking away the opportunity for individualism and individual journalism and actual civil journalism away from the mainstream media and the legacy media who are corrupt. They're taking away our opportunities. On the other side, they're clamping down on the platforms themselves. We know that the EU is pushing legislation on Ireland, which will clamp down on Twitter, because of course, Twitter is the focus, not just of the EU, but of also the Labour government right now because it's one of the few freeze
Starting point is 00:21:48 bleach platforms. And if this hate crime bill goes through in Ireland, what it essentially means is they will censor Twitter for the whole of Europe. They have that power because Twitter, for most of us Europeans, is based in Ireland. That's where their business is. And so Twitter in the United States and Twitter in the rest of the world will have a very different infrastructure to what we have in the European Union. Well, even though we're not in the European Union, they still have that power to censor it. So everyone, all of your viewers need to get themselves a VPN. We need to find a way to
Starting point is 00:22:16 protect ourselves from Big Brother, who does want to lock down not just us as individuals and as journalists, but also the big tech companies and the few that provide free speech. They want to control those too. But where they're so deluded, Calvin, and history should teach them this, is by silencing folk and by banning them from accessing information, all you are going to do is create an entire class of people
Starting point is 00:22:37 who are so angry about the system that actually they want revolution. Daylight is the best disinfectant. And the thing is, Calvin, this never used to be the British way. Actually, if you go back in history and you look at the mainstream media, the BBC even used to broadcast
Starting point is 00:22:52 very respectable interviews with the likes of Diana Mosley, who was the famous so-called fascist who never really completely disassociated herself with Adolf Hitler during her life. But she would still go on flagship BBC programs like Desert Island Discs and have a respectful interview because the BBC back in the days where they believed in free speech actually knew that you needed to have discussions with these types of people. This BBC would never consider interviewing Tommy Robinson unless it was a complete gotcha interview.
Starting point is 00:23:28 But this is part of the problem, isn't it? So the vast waves of people in our country want to see both sides of the argument. They want to be able to make up their minds for themselves. And that's the way it used to be in the media. The media used to put forward the information and then we discern it. And now we've gotten to a point where it feels like the media is shoveling woke ideology down our throats but also a very center-left to far-left ideology at all times depending on the outlet and so we're not just given the information we're given a very clear bias there's lots of
Starting point is 00:23:56 prejudice in all of the stuff they're sharing with us yes so there's a disconnect now between the mainstream david spring david spring being described Calvin, in all of these articles as a fact, as a far right thug. How dare you? Number one, how dare you? This is a guy who made one mistake in his life. He did nothing violent. He worked an entire honest life as a train driver. He's a full time carer for his wife. You can't just describe him as a far-right thug. You can't. And all you're doing
Starting point is 00:24:26 is actually upsetting so many millions of people who are sick of being dismissed. And on that note, Calvin, that brings me to your row this week. I guess row part number what, 999 with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, who wrote this column in The Guardian, which got you mad, where he said, have no doubt far-right groups are unchristian and the use of our imagery is an outrage. Fairness, equalities, ties that bind, that's what we seek now. But Calvin, you responded actually in a couple of ways, but you said perhaps if you really want to find a way to live together, calling ordinary Britain's far far right is not the
Starting point is 00:25:05 best place to start people are mourning angry and frustrated you should be a pastor in this moment not a false accuser claiming christianity as your own with exclusive language like our imagery is really not going to help your cause i find it frustrating because yeah this is the job this the job of this man is supposed to be the pastor for every single person in England he is the first among equals in the church of England, whether you go to church or not he is supposed to be there for you
Starting point is 00:25:33 so when the nation is divided as it is right now and we're seeing people rioting on the streets he should be there offering an alternative saying come to church, doesn't matter what your politics is, doesn't matter what your ethnic background is, doesn't matter what your family background is,'t matter what you know your family background is come to church we have a place for you instead he's saying you people out there you're all far right you are the problem he's pointing fingers his his fingers should be pointing inwards he is part of the problem
Starting point is 00:25:57 the archbishop of canterbury has done more to divide this nation over covid you know saying that to be able to love your neighbors to take the vaccine over brexit to say the country should not vote in favor of brexit over rwanda to say the far right government pushing rwanda is inhumane but every single step of the way he further divides the nation what he needs to realize is most people in this country are small c conservative in some way shape or form most people have strong british values as some cultural christianity at the very least and so when he tries to say oh you're using our imagery it's like wait a minute who are you who's are we're all included in this this is all of ours it's not you know he jesus
Starting point is 00:26:34 christ belongs to every single person in the world not just the archbishop of canterbury he is not the ceo of the church he's not the boss man he's just the first among equals amongst bishops and i think he's forgotten his place and thinks he is the opposition leader. I mean, where's the opposition? I hear Justin Welby more than I hear the opposition. Oh, my goodness. Well, we're going to come to that actually in just a moment, because, of course, the Conservative Party, their big move has been banning Nigel Farage. I just want to pick up on one thing, though, Calvin. Actually, if you look at the polling, folk like Justin Welby couldn't be more out of touch. For the first time since 2016, what happened in 2016? We all know we voted to leave the EU in large part because we wanted to take back control of our borders.
Starting point is 00:27:16 But for the first time since then, Calvin, what is the number one issue that Brits are most concerned about? Immigration. Number one issue that Brits are most concerned about, immigration. So you can keep trying to say that to even have this discussion makes you far right. But there is a changing of the tide here in terms of public perception. And eventually it's going to be impossible for them to keep it. Nothing hits like playoff hockey. The road to the cup starts on FanDuel. Your home for live bets all playoffs long. With new features like live SGPs, build a parlay any game, any period.
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Starting point is 00:28:04 please contact Connex Ontario 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Noreen. The Archbishop of Canterbury should be looking out for the meek and the lonely. He should be looking out for every single person, no matter their class or status. And it often feels to me like he's looking out for his own. He's part of that metropolitan liberal elite bubble. He lives in the Lambeth Palace, literally a stone's throw from Westminster Palace. He's always around there. It feels like he's a politician among politicians
Starting point is 00:28:28 we know that boris johnson used to run around his garden they used to jog together these people are too chubby the church should be holding the politicians to account just as the media should be holding the politicians to account and actually the faith teachers that we're all sinners that we are all welcome in god's house and especially people who are concerned about immigration, because God ordained nations and tribes. He set us apart for different reasons, with different cultures and different experiences for his own intention. Who are we to say we want to be one world government, one global people, one world religion?
Starting point is 00:28:58 That is wrong. Not many people want that approach. So the WEF law, including Justin Welby, who was a member of the WEF, should butt out and let older British british folk go back to older british values and conserve our christianity in the way that we know and love but calvin they're all in this together we know that this is slippery starmer who literally said on the record that he would prefer to be in davos than westminster which says everything about this guy's priorities. But look, we have to sometimes see light in these situations. And the brilliant comedian, Andrew Lawrence, who I've just become so obsessed with over the past few weeks, because he seems to be the only comic in the country who
Starting point is 00:29:39 is actually portraying the madness of what's going on. And actually, that's what comedians are meant to do, right? They're meant to take crazy everyday situations and turn them into things that can make us smile and laugh. Well, he has now had a brilliant take on the unfairness of all of these folk being arrested and locked up. I'd like to apologise to anyone to whom I've caused hurty feelings with my jokes. I do understand that jokes about the political, legal and cultural establishment are now a criminal offence in communist Britain. I am aware that under the Equalities Act 2010, as a straight white male living in conventional family circumstances, working, paying taxes and raising a child, I'm very much a second-class
Starting point is 00:30:23 citizen in Keir Starmer's Britain, and that the police and judiciary do have the right to flagrantly discriminate against me wherever they see fit to do so. In the future, I promise to follow standard approved BBC guidelines for comedians, which advises removing all punchlines from material before presenting it for public approval. I've let myself down. I've let multicultural Britain down. And in the interests of diversity, I promise to do better. I appreciate your support at this difficult time. Do you know what, Calvin? He's so good. He's launched a Patreon, actually. So I've decided today I've got to go and support this guy because he's so funny. But look, it is not an exaggeration to say, Calvin, that we now have politicians and media figures the push by Alistair Campbell and Hope Not Hate, the ironically named charity, to get Douglas Murray banged up. And I thought
Starting point is 00:31:31 you'd be particularly interested, actually, in one portion from the interview where Murray is talking about Humza Yousaf, or useless, as I call him, Scotland's worst ever politician and this has been described as hate speech and this is all about I think Calvin the creeping idea that there will be a definition of Islamophobia that will be illegal and the idea that a blasphemy law is coming in through the back door so have a look at what Douglas Murray had to say this was an interview from nine months ago and then I'll get you to respond off the bat. The man who ended up becoming First Minister of Scotland, Hamza Yousaf, is a very openly practicing Muslim and had himself photographed on his first day in office
Starting point is 00:32:20 with a group of other Muslims doing the Islamic prayers in the First Minister's office, bending to Mecca. If Kate Forbes had become leader and promptly posted a photograph of her and some others taking Holy Communion, I think it would have been an uproar. So why would that have been the case but no uproar for Hamza Yousaf doing the Islamic prayers in the office? Because we want everybody to have religious freedom except ourselves. We want to praise every tradition apart from our own. And we want to promote every belief system other than the one that got us here.
Starting point is 00:32:57 That is madness. Calvin, they want him arrested for that. Of course they do. From the very point that he's making, they want to prove him right. One of the reasons I do what I do is because of people like Douglas Murray. He is so good at articulating the problem. And right now, we live in a country where we have so many issues, from knife crime to burglary to fraud to Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.
Starting point is 00:33:22 We have so many issues that politicians cannot address. They are incompetent and incapable of addressing the problems. So instead, they attack the people who are raising awareness of the problems. And this has been a common thread that we're seeing for the last month since Labour got into office over and over again. And so they will continue to attack people like Douglas Murray, people like yourself and me, and they will continue to shut us down as citizens
Starting point is 00:33:42 because they cannot approach the issue. And Douglas Murray is absolutely right. If Forbes a good Christian woman had got into office as the first minister of Scotland there is no way on earth anyone in the mainstream media would have been happy with her praying or receiving holy communion as her first act of service and not not to forget Humza Useless actually separated he segregated the men from the women and got his rugs on the floor and got his bum in the air straight away. People didn't seem to take issue with him being misogynistic in that way, because it's an exotic faith. It's an old-fashioned, almost racist attitude to anything that's foreign or exotic. It must be held to different standards. Whereas Christianity, because it's our own, we can look down our
Starting point is 00:34:23 noses at it. But anything that's Mohammedan or, you know, a different faith, we should just encourage it and support it blindly. It doesn't matter what they do. And that's wrong. All religions, all faiths, all cultures should be held to the same high standard in this country. And if they fall below that standard, we should get rid of them. And Islam, unfortunately, falls below that standard. Segregating men and women in that way falls below that standard. The way they treat gays falls below that standard.
Starting point is 00:34:44 The way they treat women who can't be educated, can't drive that way falls below that standard the way they treat gays falls below that standard the way they treat women they can't be educated can't drive cars falls below that standard from the very foundation of that faith set up by a prophet who claims to marry someone at six and consecrate that marriage at nine falls far below our standards every single person in the west should be disgusted at that fact but they turn a blind eye because it's foreign, it's exotic. We cannot hold it to the same degree. Not only do they turn a blind eye, Kelvin, they literally want to make an exchange like this illegal. And Christopher Hitchens warned of that 14 years ago.
Starting point is 00:35:19 He warned that this is where we were heading. The right ignored him. So they did nothing to enshrine free speech in the UK. And now we have Sadiq Khan, unfortunately one of the most powerful politicians in the country, lobbying Keir Starmer to institute exactly that sort of law. By the way, Calvin, I also wanted just to talk to you briefly about Alistair Campbell. Without a hint of self-awareness, comparing Douglas Murray to Goebbels when, of course, there was only one of those two men who used Nazi-style propaganda to lead the country into a war. But I'll put her out to one side. What actually impressed me, and I'm not always impressed by the spectator,
Starting point is 00:36:00 Kelvin, because I think a lot of the time, that very establishment, they describe folk like Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson as trolls this week who they want to ignore. So I certainly don't back everything the spectator does. But what I did really respect is that the editor, Fraser Nelson, came out, backed Douglas Murray publicly and said, we will not lose one of our star columnists because of a hate mob on X. And I just thought, Calvin, wouldn't it have been great if that had been the response from the management of GB News over yourself and myself and Lawrence Fox? Because the Spectator, I think, can claim to be a free speech publication because of that reaction.
Starting point is 00:36:47 But as soon as GB News gave in to the mob, they absolutely cannot say that they are for free speech because they're not. No, I was looking through some old documents for discovery for GB News the other day, and I saw a message, a text message from one of the board members who was a chairman for a while, who said, as long as I'm on the board, your job is safe. Don't't you worry about it i just find it hilariously ironic because of course our jobs were not safe there and there's no such thing as free speech there i do like you encourage and support the spectator for backing douglas murray in this actually i like the spectator in the same way that i like nigel farage and that sometimes they align with our values and that's very good when they do but often they play the game very safely to remain
Starting point is 00:37:26 part of the establishment, to get invited to the right parties with the right people, and when they call people like Katie Hopkins far-right thugs or whatever it is, trolls, whatever it is, they're playing that game well to say, I'm one of you still. Please keep me in the members club. Please keep inviting me to the private parties. I'm still one of you.
Starting point is 00:37:42 I'm not far-right like them. They're the other people, and it's not nice, but i do support them when they do something good and back in douglas moray always a good thing yeah they sort of run the private members club don't they the spectator uh but look helen at the same time as all of this is going on the mainstream media are treating completely separately the story of record boat arrivals to this country, even though I think the two things are completely aligned. But they obviously want to say, no, you've got the one story about the riots and about the discontent, and then you have the second story about the boats.
Starting point is 00:38:21 But here's how Sly News revealed the shocking figures. Let me just bring you a bit of an update on those provisional figures from the Home Office that we brought you a little bit earlier on. They are saying this morning that 703 migrants were detected crossing the English Channel yesterday. Now, that would be the highest number on a single day since Sir Keir Starmer became Prime Minister and the third highest daily number so far this year. They are saying that the cumulative number of arrivals by small boats so far this year
Starting point is 00:38:55 stands at a provisional total of 18,342. And they say that this is 13% higher than the total at the equivalent point last year which was 16 170 but three percent lower than the total at this stage the year before that and there was also this shock reporting calvin from gb news in their efforts to end the channel migrant crisis row after row of small boats hundreds them, many now deflated and rolled up. As we filmed, contractors dropped off more dinghies, the latest to have made the illegal crossing into UK waters.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Sir Keir Stammer's focus is on going after the people smugglers who've now sent thousands more migrants across the channel since Labour came to power. I mean, it's a terrible situation, Calvin, but don't you find it interesting that the mainstream media want to treat this as two separate stories when actually they're completely connected, right? The more votes come over, the more illegal immigrants, undocumented illegal immigrants come over, the more we see our crime rates rise, the more people are going to get upset. Thankfully, the riots have stopped,
Starting point is 00:40:16 but I wish the protests would continue. I'll be very clear here that I do not condone violence at all, but I think the British people need to make their voices, our voices heard, and that enough is enough. And actually, it's not just for us, it's for everyone. A couple of people died crossing the channel in the last week on one of these illegal dinghies. And this, I thought that the blood is on the hands
Starting point is 00:40:37 of every single liberal who supported open border, who supported these gangsters, these people smugglers that are shipping people over illegally because it's unsafe for everyone involved. It's unsafe for the British people, not knowing who's coming over our shores, but it's unsafe for the people making that perilous journey. And so it's right to stop it.
Starting point is 00:40:56 It's right to clamp down. It's right to control our borders. And saying that is not racist. Saying that is not far right. It's just common sense. And so the British people need to get back on the streets. We need to get back on the streets we need to get back to protesting we need to make sure the government hear our voice we cannot let them spy up us or gaslight us into and silence us so many people think that that big hundred far right riots was cancelled by hope not hate like no that was
Starting point is 00:41:18 orchestrated that was a psyop by the government and hope not hate in order to make it look like they're in control. They're not in control. We are in control. But not if you are looking at the Tory party leadership battle, Calvin, probably the most uninspiring leadership race in the history of the world. But the big announcement today, the big revelation, Calvin, is that this lot think the solution to the Tories' worries is to ban Nigel Farage. He's not going to be able to join the party according to every single leadership contender. Not one of them prepared to do what Suala Braverman would have done, which is try and find some way to unite the right. So Mal Stride, the leadership contender, who's the most pro-Rishi Sunak, and my goodness, talk about charisma bypass.
Starting point is 00:42:17 This is how he put it. How is it helpful when you've got police officers going out there, risking their lives in a rioting situation, to be questioning whether they're being truthful with the public, for example. It's likely to lead to more police officers getting in more trouble than they would otherwise have done. So his remarks are putting the safety of police at risk?
Starting point is 00:42:42 I think his remarks about the police not being truthful potentially around what happened, let me put it like this, were deeply unhelpful to those officers that were then having to go out and deal with the consequence of the rioting. Given all that would you allow him to be a member of the Tory party if you were leader? No. Absolutely not. I made that very clear. So no deals with Nigel Farage. Look, Nigel Farage wants to destroy the Conservative Party. Now, Nigel Farage responded to GB News, Calvin, by saying,
Starting point is 00:43:15 it's of no interest to me whatsoever. I know you haven't been exactly supportive of Nigel over the past couple of weeks, but isn't this completely tone deaf of the Conservatives to think that they can operate in the old world it's gone it's absolutely insane I'm disappointed Mel Stryer is the only candidate there that I don't actually know I've never heard of him I don't know who the hell he is some of the others I'm friends with and you are as well and I find it incredibly silly of them. I mean I would have thought of those names listed at least Priti Patel would have said Nigel Farage is welcoming the parties. It's shocking that not one of them is willing to stand up and say this is a guy who seems to connect with the British people
Starting point is 00:43:54 in a way that our party no longer can. Let's get him on board. For someone like Mel Stride to sit there and say actually no he's causing more trouble than it's... He wants to destroy the party. No, you've destroyed the party. You guys have destroyed your party. It is no longer viable. It will not win another election unless you fix it. Find your conservative ideology. And actually, when he blames Farage for these riots, it makes me sick.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Because what he's saying there, when he's saying, look, what he said about not trusting what the police are saying, so many people think like that. So many of us do not trust what the police and the mainstream media are saying. And when politicians get up there and say, by saying that, he could be inciting violence, what they're saying is, unless we control the information that people have, unless we give them what's true and what's not true, people will go crazy and get violent. It's like they don't trust the British public with the truth, with our own information to serve ourselves. They want to spoon feed us a narrative in order to make us better people. They think the difference between good people and bad people is what information
Starting point is 00:44:53 we're given. That's a left wing lie. We know the difference between good and bad. We don't need our politicians to tell us that difference. It's absurd. Totally. And I was prepared to give the Conservative Party a chance after the election, Calvin, because I thought Rishi Sunak as a globalist was a big issue. But to have a record defeat like that, to be facing complete annihilation and wipeout, and to think that you can continue with your middle-of-the-road rubbish. Oh, we might leave the ECHR, but we won't. Nigel Farage is a bad guy.
Starting point is 00:45:32 I'm sorry. It's over. It is over. If you continue speaking like that. Probably the best of the bunch so far, Kelvin, has been Robert Jenrick. So it's no surprise that Humza Useless has decided to attack him today. Look at this. So he was responding to the fact that Robert Jenrick stated a fact, which is that migrants under Labour will be prioritised for council houses. But Useless said 10 days after far-right thugs tried to set fire to a hotel reportedly housing asylum seekers, Robert Jenrick comes away with howler of a dog whistle. Absolutely shameful. He isn't fit for public office, let alone leading the opposition. So this is what the Tories worry about, don't they? Because the moment, Kelvin, you talk about any of these issues, you're going to be decried as racist by idiots like whom's are useless. We don't have any politicians in the Conservative Party that are willing to have the conversations that need to be had.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Even Robert Jenrick, who has been saying some quite sound stuff lately, cannot go the full way and have an open and honest conversation. It was just last week he was using the word sectarian to discuss Mohammedan issues. Just say Islam, say Muslim,
Starting point is 00:46:32 say Mohammedan. You find, pick a word that people recognise and use it. Don't walk around on eggshells saying sectarian violence here, there and there. We can all see
Starting point is 00:46:40 what's happening on our streets. We want politicians who are bold enough to address the issue, not just to talk about it, but to fix it. We can't trust someone to fix it issue, not just to talk about it, but to fix it. We can't trust them to fix it if they can't even talk about it. None of those six faces on the screen right now have the kahunas
Starting point is 00:46:51 to get the job done, unfortunately. So if one of them gets elected as the next party leader of the Conservative Party, they're not going to get into office in the next election. And that means we've got potentially more of this dross with the Labour government. But, you know, I stick to my prediction, which is that I think we're probably going to see
Starting point is 00:47:09 Marine Le Pen president of France and Nigel Farage prime minister of the UK by 2029. I think so much is going to happen before then. I think of worse situations. I don't like him personally, but I could see he would be a much better leader than any of those conservative candidates, and certainly than Sir Keith. Reform UK's doing a good job at the moment,
Starting point is 00:47:28 Kelvin. I mean, they really are providing the only opposition. Yes, but they're still playing the safe game. They won't talk to people like Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson. They don't even talk to me anymore or Lawrence Fox. I don't even know. I don't know if you've had a conversation with them, but they're so othering people
Starting point is 00:47:44 in order to say, we're not all say, we're not like them. We're not like them. Once you start conceding around like that, you become complicit. It's divisive. Exactly. They shouldn't do that. I'm totally with you on that. Now, Calvin, everyone is talking about this bizarre debate on this morning, today. Very woke TV show with Ryland Clark and Josie Gibson and a doctor who has just been so wrong on so many things in the past.
Starting point is 00:48:10 But what was interesting, even Ryland Clark is looking at this woman who's saying that it's right for doctors to ask teenage boys and young men if they are pregnant. Right. Because they could be trans even Rylan Clark is trying to say in a very politically correct manner this is madness watch new guidance requires radiographers to ask whether men aged 12 to 55 could be pregnant and if you if you look it, the guidance is saying that they don't want people to make assumptions about a patient's gender identity. And this comes on the back of a transgender man who unknowingly underwent a CT scan whilst pregnant. Okay, right. I've got a few issues about this. So why should every trans man, biological man, be asked that question because to me if i went in to have an x-ray
Starting point is 00:49:07 that's an in a medical setting surely they would have my medical notes in front of them to say my gender my birth gender whatever i identify as if i went in for an x-ray and the person who is giving me medical treatment asked me can i ask you pregnant i wouldn't feel comfortable with that person giving me medical treatment because as someone who's not a trans man i've got a lot of trans friends but as someone who's not a trans man i'd be like are you all right do you know what i mean well i suppose we ask all women that come in um whether they're pregnant prior to having um a scan anyway so i know what you're saying it you know, the onus is on the person, but we ask all women anyway. So in that same way, we're saying, actually, let's open this up
Starting point is 00:49:51 and make sure that we're considering non-binary transgender intersex patients. I mean, look, I get it. But I think when you're talking about a 12 year old boy going in for an x-ray and sounding pregnant, that's going to confuse that yeah i'm not too sure you know yeah no rylan you don't get it you don't get it it's insanity they ask women if they are pregnant because only women can get pregnant calvin can you believe that itv well i guess you can but can you that they entertain this nonsense yeah itv lost all credibility for me a long time ago that particular doctor was one of the the big pharma shills and actually i don't care if she sees me because i'd love to see the evidence in discoveries actually she's one of the
Starting point is 00:50:36 big pharma shills taking money from big pharma to push the vaccine on people on national television so she should not be on television anymore but the whole channel has been discredited for that reason, the people that they had shilling. But Ryland tried his best there to bring some common sense to the argument saying, I'm a bloke, why would I be asked if I'm pregnant? It doesn't make sense. Of course, it doesn't make sense. So most people would agree with that. But of course, the woke ideology has to make everyone feel comfortable, especially the smallest minority group. And so instead of just checking the data on the form and saying, well, is this person trans? Have they transitioned?
Starting point is 00:51:10 If so, I'll ask them different questions. Are they just naturally male? If so, I won't ask them if they're pregnant. Instead of doing that, we have to have a blanket change for everyone. Of course we do, because the world's gone mad. Yeah, it really has. Where I do agree with Ryland is that if someone asked me if
Starting point is 00:51:27 i was pregnant you'd immediately think i'm not having you as my doctor you're nuts the other thing that's made me really annoyed today calvin really annoyed is the ongoing and constant bullying and vilification of the former prime minister's trust not only by the way is it completely intellectually dishonest to say that this woman in a very short space of time because she wanted to institute true conservative policies when it came to tax crash the economy i mean they completely ignore the fact that the economy was crashed by two years of unnecessary lockdowns. Not only that, but it seems, Calvin, that the be kind left, organisations like Led by Donkeys, who continue to do these stunts, who are effectively middle-aged lefty dads from London,
Starting point is 00:52:21 they have no problem seeming to want to bully a woman into submission. And I know Liz Truss. I'm friends with Liz Truss. She's very, very strong. But this was a step too far, and it is a step too far. Watch. I support Trump, but I want him to win. What? a'r cyfrif. Beth? Rwy'n dod i'r cwestiwn diwethaf, ond mae'r... a dyna beth roeddwn i'n ei ddweud am y cyfnod. Rwy'n credu bod yr Amerigoedd cyffredin yn gwneud ddim yn dda. Ac mae pobl yn I think it was Bill Clinton's advisor who said it's the economy's stupid. So I think that he will probably win. On that. I've got a little bit of questions, by the way.
Starting point is 00:53:15 No. I've no idea where that's come from. She's not even an MP anymore, Calvin. It's like, do they just want personal destruction? When does it end? Yeah, she's strong and she can take it, but that's not the point. There's no way to treat a person. If she's giving up her time to have a conversation,
Starting point is 00:53:58 whether it's an interview or Q&A, then be respectful. In fact, that's something the left could model more, having conversations with people that they disagree with, because it's something that we try to do on the right. You always did it on your panel every single week. You have people you disagree with, and you try to have an open and honest conversation with them. And actually, that's how the world used to be. That's how we find out if we're right or wrong, and actually we test our own ideas. But the left don't seem to be able to do that anymore. They demonize, and they call us haters for disagreeing with them, but the same time they hate us for disagreeing with them and so they do things like this because they
Starting point is 00:54:29 see us as less than human and i hate to draw parallels but there is a certain time in recent history when fanatics on one side of politics uh political spectrum saw the enemy as less than human and and characterized them as such in vilified them in cartoons and this is what the left seems to be doing now with people on the right you're so right calvin it's less than human because when everything was going on with me last year and there was this deranged campaign to destroy me and cancel me and it was driven by the left it was driven by the left. It was driven by folk who were completely actuated by malice and were basing everything they were doing on lies. I sometimes said they don't view me as a human. They are treating me as if I'm subhuman.
Starting point is 00:55:14 They don't care about the truth. All they want to achieve is destruction. And luckily I'm strong too. And I was never going to allow them to win especially given that I knew the truth. However I do feel like it's so ironic that they think they're the kind ones because it will have harsh words when it comes to debating ideas but you don't see me running around trying to personally destroy Owen Jones. You don't see me turning up at Jess Phillips's office and putting out stupid signs. It's very much something that the left do and it's accepted. And actually, yeah, this is what Liz Truss had to say about it.
Starting point is 00:55:58 What happened last night was not funny. Far left activists disrupted the event, which then had to be stopped for security reasons. This is done to intimidate people and suppress free speech. I won't stand for it. Would we see the same reaction if the activists were far-right? And of course, the answer to that, Calvin, is no, we wouldn't. I really dislike the hypocrisy of that. I really do. You know, I get accused of being a hater quite a lot. People call me horrible things and call me a hater, but I've never actually called anyone any names. I never resort to ad hominem.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Yet we've got people like Kehinde Andrews who will call me a coconut, House Negro, Coon, one of the other ones. You've got people like the Race Trust who do the same. People on the left see us as lesser and therefore we're fair game. And we've got to get back to the fact that all people are human beings. We're all equal in terms of dignity and worth in the eyes of God. We are all loved
Starting point is 00:56:48 and we should love each other accordingly. And yes, we can disagree. We can disagree strongly. But the moment we resort to ad hominems or attacks or just humiliation, like what happened to Liz Truss, then we are the ones who are falling below the standards, not the person who we deem to be a hater.
Starting point is 00:57:02 We are the haters. That's the point we've got to get across. Very good point and very well put. Calvin, stand by. Don't go anywhere because in just one minute I'm going to get Calvin's reaction to the breaking news, you're not going to believe this, that Prince Harry has decided to miss his own uncle's funeral because of security concerns. The funeral has been held in Norfolk folks but this week, later this week, he's traveling to Colombia, one of the world's most dangerous countries. However, I have been to Colombia and had a great time but you know you've got to see the irony in that.
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Starting point is 00:59:36 robert fallows who is the husband of diana's sister who harry claims to be very close to and Calvin what's most shocking is the reason behind this he says it's because of security concerns it's because of this ongoing row that he's having with his dad who he's desperate to step in and force the government to give taxpayers money our money Calvin so he can be protected even though he's no longer a working member of the royal family when he's in the UK but there there's so much irony in this, Calvin, because in the week that he says it's too dangerous to go to Norfolk, which is where this funeral is being held, he's going to go to Colombia. Instead, one of the world's most dangerous countries. What do you make of it, Calvin?
Starting point is 01:00:23 It's just another lefty thing, isn't it? This is what they do. Everything's politics for them. He's making a point. He's making a point to his father. It's not safe for me to come back to the UK unless you give me what I want. It's like a toddler having a tantrum. That's exactly what it is. I want this toy. If you don't give me this toy, I'm going to stamp my feet in the supermarket
Starting point is 01:00:40 and scream until I get it. This is Harry for you, unfortunately. The fact that he thinks he can't visit Norfolk, that's one of the safest places in the world yeah he's gonna go to columbia are you mad bless him uh on diana's side of the family as well who he claims to be closer to and he's obviously still estranged his father's side of family but on his mother's side this is really strange for him and actually i bet many of his relatives will be upset by the fact that he won't be there. It's a great shame. I feel sorry for him.
Starting point is 01:01:07 I'll keep him in my prayers and hope that he can come around to some common sense and put his left-wing politics aside because this is family and nothing's more important than that. I know, but isn't that the irony, Calvin? Constantly, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are talking about the importance of family, the importance of loved ones. But I will never forget the night, well, it was two nights before the late Queen's death. And she had just pulled out of the Privy Council. And I knew that things were not good with her health. And Prince Harry was in the country, Calvin, at the time. And I was on my GB News show
Starting point is 01:01:46 and I just learned about the Queen. And I think I was feeling quite emotional about the whole thing. And I just spoke off the cuff. Nothing was scripted or anything like that. But I said, Harry, just go. Forget this feud. Just go to Balmoral now. Go and see your grandmother before it's too late he didn't so he hadn't seen her for a long time before her death and i feel like this is a new low because it's not even about visiting robert fallows before he dies it's about being there for the rest of his family i mean could you imagine diana's reaction to the fact that he wouldn't be at his own uncle's funeral I know and I think no matter how estranged he is from his brother I'm sure his brother would appreciate him by his side at an event like this and we all do we've all got families every family
Starting point is 01:02:35 has got some kind of strain and you know I love my sister to bits but if I wasn't speak to my sister and someone in our family died I know I would be there for her regardless of what had gone on between us because that's what family does blood is thicker than water we have to come together in the end and it's a great great shame that he hasn't done that for his uncle but also that he didn't do that for his grandmother and he will probably have that in his conscience for the rest of his life oh absolutely he will absolutely he will and the thing that I think is so shocking, Calvin, look, there's lots of times that ordinary folk cannot attend funerals because it can be down to cost or not being able to miss work. And that's understandable. But when you're one of the most privileged men in the world and when you're rich and when you're not doing it because of a petty row, which, by the way way calvin it's never going to be resolved this row that's the other frustrating thing with harry it's like can you imagine if charles just to
Starting point is 01:03:32 appease harry overturned a government decision that's when you start getting into the area of constitutional crisis the government has looked at the rules, Calvin. They do not believe it is appropriate to give security for Harry paid for by the taxpayers when he's not a member of the royal family and when he's making millions and millions of his own money in the US. Just like, by the way, if Elon Musk comes to the UK on personal business, he doesn't get security paid for by you or me. Quite right, too. I don't want to pay for it. I don't want to pay for Elon Musk's security.
Starting point is 01:04:10 I don't want to pay for Harry's security. He's not working well. He doesn't deserve it. He doesn't need it, in that fact. And you're quite right. If he's making Netflix money and Spotify money, he can probably afford his own security. But actually, I think we need to go a step further. I've been saying this all along.
Starting point is 01:04:23 I've been saying this on your show for years. We need to strip him of his titles. If he's no longer longer working well he should no longer be a royal or stop absolutely and there's actually come really interesting you raise that there's a growing movement actually i'm going to speak to robert jobson about this because i'm fascinated to know what he thinks but there's a growing movement within the royal family that actually says we've got to deal with the line of succession here and hear me out on this Calvin because William is obviously the heir to the throne and then it's his three children but you'll remember William travels with his family including on helicopters and planes which which was something that the Queen, the late Queen, was really opposed to because she thought that it put the line of succession under
Starting point is 01:05:11 some threat. Because look, you just imagine a worst case scenario where, please God, and I don't want to put this out into the universe, but just imagine a worst case scenario where something happens to William and his three children. You're in a situation where you have King Harry and Queen Meghan which would be the end of the royal family wouldn't it so that's why it's not just about the titles anymore Calvin it's about I think something more significant it's about looking at a change of law and this would be very controversial and I don't think Charles would want to do it this is the problem but I think William would want to do it a change of law that would mean that Harry would be removed from the line of succession and even more significantly Calvin there's another idea which is that you would take George because you know George is obviously under 18.
Starting point is 01:06:08 And if something were to happen to Charles and William. You would take George. He would obviously be king. But you would make Princess Anne his regent. So she would effectively be doing the job of monarch. Because could you imagine. If George was king. If something happened to Charles and William. But actually because of the line of succession harry would be regent yes i can imagine and we've had similar situations in
Starting point is 01:06:31 the past when uh king henry viii died and edward vii took over over and politicians essentially took over the king because he was too young to govern for himself and we could see a similar situation with a with a woke lefty celebrity from la formerly prince harry essentially governing from behind the scenes that would be dire that would be disastrous so yeah i think they need to seriously consider who's next in line for the throne actually i think prince william needs to uh step up and listen to his late grandmother because yes family is important we've said this throughout this conversation but of course the country is more important the crown is important to We've said this throughout this conversation, but of course the country is more important. The crown is important.
Starting point is 01:07:07 To be honest, you know I'm usually pretty on side with William about things, but I think it's so irresponsible, Calvin. Even the other day, right? Do you remember he went to, what was it? Was it the Olympics? No, football, football, Euros final. And he went with George on a plane. Now, if that plane were to crash, you have a very sick king.
Starting point is 01:07:33 You are damning the United Kingdom to King Harry and Queen Meghan. Just don't do it. Just don't take the risk. And I understand it's a bit difficult when you've got young kids and he wants them to live a normal life, but I think they could find a way to make it work for George to go with maybe another member of the family on the plane or someone who he trusted or the nanny. Could the nanny not take George on the plane with security? I mean, I have it on very good authority that the King's cancer is getting worse
Starting point is 01:08:03 and his health is not in a good state. So times like this, we need to be extra, especially careful of how we protect the sovereign, how we protect the crown and the future of the sovereign, the future of the crown. So Prince William needs to be taking extra cautious steps to protect his son and have some kind of separation from them when they're travelling, especially by a plane, for the country's sake. I just think it doesn't even matter what form of transportation it is, Calvin. I would say do not travel with George. There is too much at stake. And I would also argue that the royal family should be considering actually removing Harry from the line of succession by law. Because things are going so badly for him anyway calvin did you see
Starting point is 01:08:46 he's lost another staff member this week as chief of staff josh josh kettler quitting after just three months it's like the 18th member of staff he's lost i mean god what's going on why can harry and megan not keep staff what is it about this pair that people keep leaving or getting fired left right and center it seems like they're not a nice couple to work for. I think that's a pretty fair assumption, Father Calvin.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Look, thank you so much for breaking off your holiday. Say hi to Lawrence for me. Have an incredible time and don't stay in exile. You've got to come exile. You've got to come back. You've got to come back. Dan, I really don't want to come back.
Starting point is 01:09:28 In fact, the mosquitoes are eating me now, so I'm going to go and dive in the sea. But I don't want to come back to England. No, it's sad. It's a sorry state of affairs, but we need folk like you. Father Calvin Robinson, thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:09:38 I will see you next week. Who knows where Calvin will be next week, but he will certainly be here. Now, as I mentioned, very exciting uncancelled after Show today with Robert Jobson. Robert is the author of a brand new Sunday Times bestselling book on Catherine, the Princess of Wales. He knows her so well. And we're going to talk about all of those issues that I just discussed with Calvin.
Starting point is 01:10:08 I think will be really fascinating. And it's also really important to me, given that everything that we've been discussing today, that we do have a safe space that isn't controlled by big tech, because on big tech, that's where censorship and control runs deep. And you know, the government are now coming for our free speech. So that's why I've launched www.outspoken.live. It is our membership section. You get half an hour of extra content every single day. All you need to do is register there. It's five pounds a month, but it provides me huge support to be able to continue to do this broadcast.
Starting point is 01:10:35 So at this stage, we come off YouTube, we come off Rumble, we move to our own platform to continue the conversation in the uncancelled after show. www.outspoken.live that is the address I hope to see you there if not do subscribe on youtube and rumble hit the notification bell because we are back every weekday at 5 p.m uk time midday eastern 9 a.m pacific most importantly I promise to keep
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