Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE & BORIS JOHNSON COULD FORM SHOCK COALITION TO SAVE UK FROM SOCIALIST HELL

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

The election for the next Tory leader hangs on a simple question: Leave or Remain. Robert Jenrick, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage all insist the UK must be out of the ECHR for us to take control of our borders. Kemi Badenoch – the status quo candidate – wants us to remain. But in his Digest, Dan reveals top secret talk on the right: Could Farage and Boris come together to win the next election in a Conservative/Reform UK coalition? PLUS: Suella Braverman cancelled by Cambridge University AND: Lady Colin Campbell on the truth about Meghan Markle’s solo return To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I've been in touch, by the way, with outspoken regular Sam Markle, who was in the line of the killer storm. But thankfully, I can confirm she is OK, even though she did not evacuate. Now, today, the election for the next Tory leader in the UK hangs on a simple question. Leave or remain robert jenrick boris johnson and nigel farage all insist the uk must be out of the echr for us to take back control of our borders we're used to that one aren't we kemi badenock the status quo candidate wants us to remain but nigel farage has a withering verdict for both. 4,000 pieces of EU legislation and Kemi Badenoch, yes the one that now wants to control our borders and control immigration, who was the one that pushed the hardest for foreign students coming into Britain, bringing their mum with them as dependents. Thank you. We'll be right back. so

so We'll be right back. so The So No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 70. Please click to subscribe to our brand new independent news source. Turn on the notification bell too. Thank goodness, by the way, that Florida came through Milton without the catastrophic sort of loss of life expected. But I'm not underestimating what you're all going through in that brilliant state that you know I love. I was there for eight weeks earlier this year. Some good news, though, I have been in touch with outspoken regular Samantha Markle, who was in the line of the killer storm. And thankfully, I can confirm she is OK, even though she did not evacuate. Now today the election for

the next Tory leader hangs on a simple question, leave or remain? Robert Jenrick, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage all insist the UK must be out of the ECHR for us to take control of our borders. Kemi Badenoch, the status quo candidate, wants us to remain. But Nigel Farage has a withering verdict for both. With inconsistency like that, there's very little to worry about. So in my digest today, I reveal top secret talks on the right. Could Farage and Boris come together to win the next election in a Conservative Reform UK coalition? Also coming up, Swala Braverman cancelled by Cambridge University and Lady Colin Campbell on the joyous return of Catherine, the Princess of Wales, who chose to

make her first community visit following the end of her cancer treatment to the scene of the Southport massacre this afternoon. To Southport with Prince William to meet the families of the three little girls who died following the knife attack there this summer. There you can see Kate and William. It is a rare public appearance by the princess. Then in the uncancelled after show much more from Lady Colin Campbell including what's really going on with the King's health. You can register to watch on That's a first. it allows us to continue making this independent daily news show. Let's go! Leave or remain? It's a question that defined the past decade in British Conservative politics and will now also define the 20s. Because there is now clear blue water when it comes to not just the future of the UK Tory party, but also the very future of right wing politics in Britain itself.

In the woke, wet, status quo we will never get control of our borders corner, a certain Kemi Badenoch. But in the corner of saving Britain, three powerhouses in their own way. Tory leadership contender Robert Jenrick, Brexit King and new MP the surging Nigel Farage, and Boris Johnson, the unleashed Prime Minister on the campaign trail. And as I write in my sub-stick today, there is now growing talks on the right about the potential for Boris Johnson to return to head the Tories, form a coalition with Farage and Reform UK to re-enter number 10. Now that's a concept being openly

advocated by Boris allies at the Conservative Post too. But for the moment, Jenrick is doing a good job of spooking Farage because he's got to win, doesn't he? And Farage, who for good reason thinks he can become PM in his own right, is doing his best to dismiss both candidates. This is his brutal takedown of Ms Badenoch. Confident that if it's Kemi Badenoch, she'll fall flat on her face pretty quickly. She's one of the most inconsistent politicians in Westminster. What she says and what she does are two very different things. But I can tell he's much more worried about Jenrick. My kind of politics. He now gives speeches walking around the stage.

But you need, Robert, the charisma to carry it off. If you want lessons in being Nigel Farage, I promise you I don't charge that much money for doing it. But I tell you what, if he sticks to this, if he wins with the membership, which he may well do on this issue of the ECHR, he will find over half his parliamentary party viscerally opposed to it. And my guess is that Jenrick, if he wins, he might make a brave stab at it on policy, but they'll do for him within a year. Farage's political instincts are very rarely wrong and like clockwork today

we got this ridiculous announcement from the Tory wets. So One Nation Tory MPs have refused to endorse either Robert Jenrick or Kemi Badenoch for leader. Both have used rhetoric, this is what they say, and focused on issues which are far and away from the party at its best. We urge them to work for positive change rather than try to divide us. And when I'm reminded that it's those drips that still maintain some dominance inside this Tory party, I think I was right to ditch them altogether for Reform UK at the last election. And maybe this pitch

from Farage will work. Farage, shouldn't Reform voters and maybe the leader of Reform UK be a bit worried about these two right-wing candidates? Worried about people that lie in elections and then do the opposite? I don't think so, do you? Kemi Badenoch, of course, the great Eurosceptic, who when she had ministerial responsibility, dropped the legislation that would have taken out of our law 4,000 pieces of EU legislation. And Kemi Badenoch, yes, the one that now wants to control our borders and control immigration, who was the one that pushed the hardest for foreign students coming into Britain,

bringing their mum with them as dependents. With inconsistency like that, there's very little to worry about. The very naughty elephant in the room is a certain Bojo, who came the closest he ever has to admitting he does want to return to frontline politics in this interview with Times Radio today. As my chances of being interviewed by Stig Abel for Times Radio in an uncontentious and undisputatious matter. This is not disputatious, Boris Johnson. Would you like to be? Do you harbour any ambitions? I think, as I say, all the answers to this question is contained, of course, in the pages of Unleashed. Indeed. And I think the real answer is what Hermadge, the Queen, said.

And I can say that without breaching any confidence. You know, you should only do things if you think you could be useful. I genuinely... And yes, I hated Nut Zero. I hated his lockdown policies. But even Farage concedes that Boris has a certain charisma and energy that is impossible to ignore and the MSM obsession to bring him down well it continues even now. Albanian national Binej entered the UK illegally in 2014 on the back of a lorry. He was convicted and imprisoned for burglary in 2016.

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sour and full of yet more lies,ote, he's a gossipy bitch. I'm just quoting here. What was your reaction? I mean, obviously you spent some time on this memoir. Well, thank you. Thank you, Jake, for... Well, I've got to tell you that before this interview, I sadly neglected to read those reviews. I've read some quite nice ones myself,

and there are plenty of people who seem to be buying the book. So for the moment, this battle will take place without Boris on the playing field. But don't rule out his return to complicate matters at some point in the next five years. The only thing I can confidently declare at this moment is that if Tory members plump for Klammy, which I don't think they will, they will be torpedoed by a Reform UK party campaigning to leave the ECHR. Re-enter the UK illegally in 2017.

So leaving the ECHR is going to be essential to take back Britain. And now it's time for our uncancelled interview. And it is a pleasure to have on Outspoken for the first time today, the founder and chief executive of the global conservative coalition, Sunil Sharma. And Sunil, great to have you here. Thank you so much for making your outspoken debut. So it's a leave or remain battle again.

That seems very clear. On the one hand, you've got Jenrick, Boris and Farage. On the other, you've got Kemi. Where do you stand I think the main priority has to be for the Conservative Party is to unite the right I think that has to be the the main focus I think I'm in some way so glad it's these two that I've made the the final two I think it's a good reflection, whether it happened by fortune or just poor judgment from James Cleverley and Tom Tugendhat. I'm super glad it is these two that are in the party. But for me, it's just that the right has to be united. Even now, you look at the stats of Reform and Conservative Party were together, the impact it would have, would quite comfortably i think destroy this current labor government and so for me i i would definitely lean towards leaving the echr

but i would the candidate who can come out and essentially say you know we need to unite we need to have strong principles and values like a lot of uh nardra faraj and the reform party have shown for me that would be the really deciding factor. I think everyone wants to know who the real Robert Jenrick is, who the real Kemi Badnok is. It's very hard to, with how inconsistent they've both been, to be honest, it's hard to know who these two people are. I would happily accept their flaws, whatever they are,

but I think a lot of us just want to know who these two people truly are indeed we very much do because of course unlike faraj neither of them have had a political journey that is anchored in i would say ideology they have gone with the wind based on who the leader is based on who they think is going to give them a promotion. And I have a real fundamental issue with that. So even though I'm being very clear that I'm supporting Robert Jenrick because I don't trust Kemi Badenoch for loads of reasons, I don't trust what she did to Boris Johnson when she was encouraging other Tory ministers to dump him, dump him, dump him. It was schoolgirl tactics and it massively backfired. I don't trust the fact that she is having her strings pulled by Dougie Smith and Michael Gove, as outlined so brilliantly by Nadine Dorries in

the plot. But my worry about Jenrick, even though I do support him, Sonal, is that how on earth can you go from being a Cameroon, a Rishi Sunak supporter, to someone trying to outflank Farage on the right? So is he doing a stammer and effectively lying to the members about his ideology in order to get elected? So that's where I stand on those two. Then you come to the Boris issue. And I know there's lots of people sort of saying, oh, Dan, why on earth do you even talk about Boris? He's a busted flush. Look at what he did with lockdowns. Look at what he did with Nut Zero. And I do understand all of that. But at the same time, you cannot deny that if he were to return to the fold, if he were to become Conservative Party leader, all of a sudden the calculations for Nigel Farage are incredibly different. I couldn't agree more. I'm similar to you on this. You know, I didn't like his COVID restrictions, aside from the first lockdown. I think beyond that, I think the judgment was really, really poor.

To me, in his defense, I think some of those WhatsApp messages that leaked did show him fighting back a bit, saying, you know, is this really necessary? In short, he still did it. I didn't necessarily agree with the COVID, the vaccine mandates. I don't agree with even the increase in taxes that happened during his spell. Saying all of that, there is no denying Boris Johnson wins elections. He has that star factor. And I think that would really change things. I think there's questions, Mark, about his governance. I think him actually as prime minister, as leader, I think he probably needs maybe a better team around him. But when it comes to elections and it comes to campaigning, I don't think there's many

better than Boris Johnson. So this idea that, you know, I know you've talked about the generic Boris Farage kind of trio, I think that would be amazing. I think you've got somebody in Farage with some clear, strong, deep principles. And I think that's really lacking in the Conservative Party. You look at what's happened in the last few years the way roger stronson was turfed out by his own mps and you look at what's followed since you look at the statement you shared with the one nation torian mps it just shows how out of touch a lot of them are still with the public i think a lot of the public is genuinely craving authenticity whatever that that is. And I think me being more conservative minded, I would like to see some of these conservative principles

really being shown by the party. I just, again, I'm skeptical whether Generic, Badenoch, whoever it is, has those deep, strong principles. I understand they will grow into the role. Maybe these aren't, they're not finished products, if you like, and maybe they'll grow in and maybe we'll see it more um but i love the concept of having somebody like a fraud who has that amazing clear principles clearly what he believes in you've got boris who wins elections

and you've got a younger robert generick around there who's doing very popular amongst the tory members that would be a i think an ideal scenario But I think they've got to bring the right together. It's going to cost seats, it's going to cost whether it's councils, whether it's members of parliament. And until these two groups actually have their conversation, sit down, and I think a Boris Johnson would probably help that in terms of the negotiation. I think they're going to end up hurting each other. And I do think in some ways reform, a bit like Brexit Party, is needed. I think they are needed, like Brexit Party was needed for the Conservative Party to give them that wake-up call. I just hope that they take this wake-up call very seriously and they actually try to really bring this sort of,

I don't want to say coalition, bring the right together, because I think that's so important. So the big question is, of course, and this is a practical matter, how would it work? And I would say Farage is going to be completely right saying, I'm not even interested. I'm not even interested in a deal. And I think that will be the line that holds for two or maybe even three years. But of course, the question could end up being, what does a deal involve? So for example, if it's Boris Johnson leaving the Conservative Party, could the deal be Farage, you will be my deputy, you will be my home secretary. I think the possibilities are exciting because let me tell you, the folk who don't want to have these discussions, and I

completely understand it, I was betrayed by the Conservative Party just as much as you all were. I voted for Reform UK. I was the first political commentator, not that that's how I view myself, but to say that to the political climate and if it is very clear that there's going to have to be a Conservative and Reform UK deal in order to boot out the worst government in British history that is driving us down into the ground then I'm sorry I will advocate for that but let's wait and see it's going to be fascinating to see what happens. But breaking right now, two-tier justice returns to the UK. A black law student who hurled vile abuse at the Arsenal and England star Bakoya Saka has avoided jail because, wait for it, he insisted that he wasn't racist. So this is a bloke called Suhal Ali, and he posted an audio message on social media

calling Saka a, quote, effing black piece of S and a effing monkey. This guy is not stupid. He's a 20-year-old second law student at City University, and he also used the N-word he admitted all of this by the way he admitted all of this at Westminster Magistrates Court but received a 12-month conditional discharge because the magistrate's chair Karen O'Donnell told Ali your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse but you're of previous good character and you have no previous convictions you're

remorseful now that might be okay if that was the policy taken for everyone in the uk everyone who is accused of sending racist tweets but do you think that is the case? Absolutely not. As Alex Armstrong pointed out, two tier justice strikes again. Tier one, a black student, and he goes on into what Ali said. Tier two, in 2022, Justin Price was jailed for six weeks for posting similar slurs. And the CPS, which boasted about it at the time said price targeted a footballer based on the color of his skin and his action was clearly racist and a hate crime those who racially abuse footballers ruin the game for all i hope this case sends out the message that we will not tolerate racism and offenders will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law what's

changed i can harbor a guess and so can we just be honest about this? What has changed is that the second man who was sending the obviously racist tweets was black himself and so was able to make an argument that he wasn't racist. Definitely. I think I've been saying this for quite some time i think if you're a white person in this country um in particular male and i think even beyond the racism racism this uh specific matter i think if you're a white male in this country over the age of 40 50 i think your vocabulary in this country is so small the things you can say and the things you can do are so so little compared to everyone else this is i i this is a great example it's great in some ways because it highlights what we i think most people already know the two-tier policing system but i think it goes a lot deeper than that and i think there is a serious problem in this country where

we're seeing different standards being applied to different races you know that that example there where they used the um the intention wasn't there from the person to give racial abuse but normally when it comes to something like it's regardless of the intention is how the person perceives that abuse is what you would do and most people who would see the the messages that he sent would say they're racist messages regardless of his intent or not um so i think it's it's really highlighting the complete um the complete contrast and what people can say in this country we are so obsessed with talking about race we're so obsessed about constantly talking about black brown and white and we're moving away from what's most important which is having good intellectual debates regardless of skin color you should be able to talk about immigration just as much as i can we can we should be debating on

in terms of when it comes to policy and this stuff this sort of stuff but the reality is i can probably say a lot more about immigration and what i the policies that i would like than even yourself because the reality is with my skin color i i probably have a i'm allowed a bigger vocabulary that is terrible for democracy and that is not what great britain stands for so how do we deal with this sort of how do we deal with this issue because what is becoming abundantly clear to me is that a lot of our big cities are ghettoized and as a result there is completely two-tier justice going on and in fact it's not just two-tier justice is it it's two-tier society it's two-tier everywhere two-tier in education so i've been talking a lot about this in terms of the group of people in this country who are performing the

worst at school level right now is British white boys and their numeracy rates are declining their literacy rates are declining now if you're black white or brown in this country that is horrible news because the harsh reality is maybe not in London or Birmingham Manchester where a lot of these positions of power a lot of these decisions are made the vast majority of this country is white more than 80% of this country is white so going forward the workforce is largely going to be white and obviously men can't have children so they won't have the when it comes to workforce they won't have the time off that a woman with so in short white men are going to dominate

and do dominate our workforce so if their education standards are sliding which they are and they're dropping quite drastically that is a serious problem for everyone because that means our productivity as a country is going to decline and and but we will never have this conversation because you know we'll focus on you know whether it's blm or other issues despite the fact that the largest portion of our workforce or our soon-to-be workforce are struggling and i think that is seriously concerning and we instead will teach about white privilege we'll talk about things that happened over 100 years ago we'll talk about all this sort of thing damage people's confidence damage these kids confidence have give them no examples of positive role models male role models

in their lives don't look into the fact of how important a family structure is and all this sort of stuff instead we're going to teach them how they are um how privileged they are how they've been the root of all evil the last hundred years and the children i think is the starting place i think that's where we should be trying to improve the education. Me personally, I think there should be nothing regarding racism, if you're white, black or brown, we should just be trying to improve children in this country.

But if we were to specifically talk about a race, then it would be a group of people, white boys. But again, in the education system, this will not be talked about, be frowned about, it'll probably be thrown out. And I think if a white person said what I said just now, I think there would be, probably be more damaging for them than for me but this is backed up by pure stats and data so well yeah i mean of course it is because because the white guy goes to jail the black guy doesn't

they said exactly the same thing about a footballer. So we come back to that example. But talking on a macro level, I mean, I grew up in the generation of a colorblind society. We look to Martin Luther King. We look to John Lennon. And no one will tell me that that is wrong. But where you are right is that we have young white kids today who are told from a very young age you have to think about race all the time that's all that matters now i actually think what it does is encourage racism but then you have the cultural issues on and you've done some really brilliant work on this as well recently and the cultural issue i say, is even more important. born Muslims are told in mosques that gay people such as myself should be shoved off the top of those buildings, then I'm sorry, multiculturalism has failed. And we have to start talking about it.

Instead, what is the Labour government's plan? Well, it's the dystopian i would say worst reality that christopher hitchens imagined all of those years ago that actually what i've just said to you sonal could quite soon and i'm not exaggerating be illegal it's crazy and absurd and i think you know i think the big problem is i and you know we've got to be even critical of the previous government so i don't think they helped in this totally the decisions that are being made i think by um the lay party conservative not even just the political party but even some of the headquarters of these education some of these institutions they're all based in and around london and the harsh reality is london the problems of london

are not the problems of London are not the problems of the UK, there is a clear difference. And I think there is a really big divide, not just in this country, but I think it's the same in America, New York, Washington, compared to the rest of the country. I think they're really deluded in terms of what the problems of an average Londoner has compared to the average person in Devon or up north in Newcastle, they have no concept or almost it feels like almost like a hatred towards working class people where they don't want to actually understand the their concerns they're obsessed about things in their own lives to try and find their new purpose because they think by teaching blm by shouting free palestine they think they

think this gives them purpose and it makes them a good person and all this sort of sort of stuff whereas majority of people don't actually care what they want is to be able to um get their kids in a educated get them to a better life than themselves they should be much more focused on the uh our economy growing our economy sorting our nhs all this sort of stuff but instead we're talking about their problems the londoners problems because for them nhs isn't an issue because they're probably going to have private um private health care so they don't really care the economy doesn't really matter to them too much because even if the tax rates go up they've still got enough welfare it's not going to have much of an impact to them they're not remotely interested in talking about the

concerns of the working class instead it's a lot easier for them to stay in this bubble i wouldn't say westminster i'd say just london bubble rather than trying to understand the concerns of the average person. And we can just brand them far right. We can just say, the moment there's any sort of criticism, we'll just brand them as far right as people who have no understanding of the world. You would have hoped and thought after Brexit that they would have understood that that isn't quite the case. People in this country are disillusioned with what's going on in a lot of these major institutions.

Still, they haven't really seems to be learned from that lesson. And that's why going back to your point earlier, we're talking about the Tory leadership. A lot of it is, to be honest, one of the reasons I feel it's a bit irrelevant is I want to see people with deep principles and values. And I think lots of people in this country want the same. They want to see real people with deep principles and values, even if they are flawed as characters, even if they're not the perfect speaker, as well as a Cameron or Obama or whatever. I think people are craving for some authenticity in this country. And at the moment, in these positions of power, whether it be in politics, education, they don't seem to exist. No, no. Which is why people are quite rightly turning to Nigel Farage politically. or if you look outside of the political realm, and you are genuine about these issues, as you discuss, guess what?

The establishment comes for you and cuts you down and destroys you, destroys your career and your reputation. And I have the most shocking example of that today. So this is the Met Police Federation chair, a guy called Rick Pryor. Now, he gave an honest interview, an honest interview to Charlie Peters of GB News yesterday, where he said that officers are, quote, not engaging with people they should be at times for fear of complaint and suspension. And that is specifically in reference to dealing with ethnic minorities. Because if a white officer officer and we've seen this time and again

deals with an ethnic minority look at politicians like dawn butler who have tried to i would guess aggravate the situation to make a political point so so before i tell you what's happened to rick prior which will absolutely shock you. Let's have a look at his very honest interview with GB News. A striking crisis of confidence at the moment within policing in general and certainly within the metropolitan police, whereby officers are withdrawing from any kind of proactive policing for fear of falling foul of the IOPC, the Independent Office of Police Conduct, or a vexatious or malicious complaint. There seems to be an assumption of racism right from the office,

particularly when it's a white police officer and a member of the public from a minority ethnic community. And it almost seems as if the onus is then on the police officer to prove that the interaction wasn't racist. And we've found that in the two recent cases that have been highly publicised, both in the Croydon bus incident and also the Dos Santos and Bianca Williams stop and search incident. So that is the Met Police Federation Chair, Rick Pryor, speaking the truth about the very real experiences of police officers in London.

You're not going to believe it. As a result of that interview, Rick Pryor has been suspended by the Reliefs Federation of England and Wales. Charlie Peters, who conducted that interview, said, I'm told that his comments were considered discriminatory and controversial and that they could undermine the federation's reputation so sonal shama no wonder people are too afraid to speak out i mean his example you know you said you'd be shocked or um surprised that i'm not we saw this in with the roverham grooming gang stand it's in writing they did not make the arrest. They didn't do the proper investigation

to not stoke racial tensions. It was there in plain sight. And so I think it's really worrying because, you know, obviously I'm born here. My parents weren't. But a lot of people initially came to this country and want to be a part of this country

for the freedom of speech, the democratic values, being focused on merit merit and what's been amazing about great britain and what makes it still an incredible country is in this country no matter what race you are no matter what person you are whoever you are um your personal life is you can go from being near the bottom and you can climb right to the top our Our social mobility is incredible. It's possible in this country. But examples like this, when we start to discriminate against people just speaking the truth, makes you question about great British values.

We're so lucky that we have this in this country. The majority of countries don't have it the way we do. And it seems like we're on this sort of like suicide mission of just destroying the great values that we have. And it's really sad. And i have so much sympathy for the police in the sense of what do they do a lot of these people if they do speak out like he has they risk ruining their lives they have families to support children to support do they want to go out here and make these public statements and risk all of that it's a really tough situation and a really unfair one and aren't we also letting these people win sort of because i'll give you another example that is just broken

today suella braverman has had to postpone they say her cambridge speech after a palestine group issued mob rule tactics so suella wrote on x i was due to speak at cambridge university today sadly the event was cancelled because of militant pro-palestinian protesters and the security risks they posed to me intimidation and thuggery have no place on campus or in our democracy now james or responded by saying also on x the cancellation of suela braverman's lecture at cambridge by aggressive student activists makes a mockery of the university's commitment to free speech and is yet another reminder of bridget phillips and she's the education secretary of course her folly in blocking a law designed to prevent scandals like this one

and you know suela braverman very successful. You would think someone who people should be proud of, like you, parents from another country. She's, of course, a former student of Cambridge University. Yep, she can't go because of those hard left activists. Yeah, it's a great, great example because it just shows the double standards. You know, we talk about racism and all this sort of stuff. And I think when it comes to the hard left, you'll see real racism.

When a Suela Bravman, that profile of person who is an ethnic minority, doesn't prescribe to the notion of being a victim, doesn't prescribe to the notion of being a victim, doesn't prescribe to the notion of needing a quota and all this sort of stuff. I think that's when you see the level of real racism emerge. You don't see that in other elements of Britain and you never really will because most people don't really care about your skin colour. But there is an obsession with the left nowadays, which is all about skin colour. And the problem with Suella, and I say problem, it's not, it's their problem that they have with Suella is, as'll just say he's racist or she's racist but when it's a colored person like that um then i don't think they actually have the the capacity to tolerate remotely so they will really see that

and of course when suella was subjected to a clearly racial attack in terms of the use of the term coconut, that person also went free. Now, I'm a free speech absolutist, so I would argue probably, and this may be very unpopular, that no one should be going to jail using racist terms. But what I would also say is that the law needs to be applied equally. And I know for a fact that Suella was very, very upset about that racist attack on her. So you are pointing out what is a two-tier society. You're doing brilliant work and please keep it up. And I really hope you're back on Outspoken Too. That is Sunil Sharma, who is the founder and chief executive of the Global Conservative

Coalition and a, i would say very important voice in british politics who will be hearing much more of in the coming years thank you so much sonal yeah now lady colin campbell is standing by because we have big news catherine the princess of wales made her first community appearance at the scene of the Southport Massacre today. So this was a big surprise in the past hour. I'll show you what happened. And she's looking beautiful. Actually, absolutely radiant.

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outspoken but now back to the show and it's time for our royal mastermind to mind and breaking right now Catherine the Princess of Wales has made her first community visit since finishing her cancer treatment and very significantly she decided to do so at the scene of the Southport massacre where she spent half an hour with each family member and I have to say she was absolutely looking glowing. This is how the news was broken on UK TV. To Southport with Prince William to meet the families of the three little girls who died following the knife attack there this summer. There you can see Kate and William. It is a rare public appearance by the princess. Her first community visit since the end of last year and her first since her cancer diagnosis

and the end of her chemotherapy. You will remember we last heard from the Princess of Wales a few weeks ago, September the 9th, where she announced in that video that many of you will remember, filmed alongside her family, that she had now finished her chemotherapy and was looking forward to being back at work, saying that she'd be undertaking a few more

public engagements in the coming months and saying that her focus is on doing what she can to stay cancer free but this visit now to southport to meet the families of those three little girls who were killed in that attack at the Taylor Swift themed dance class is the first community visit that we have seen the Princess of Wales since that announcement. She did of course in the summer attend Trooping the Colour. Lady Colin Campbell some rare good news. Catherine the Princess of Wales back and wasn't she looking superb? Yes, Dan. Good to see you, by the way. She looked very

well. And I'm not surprised that they've chosen something like this for really what is an announcement visit. Because, you know, William and Catherine are both quite canny. They don't want to spread themselves too thinly.

They want to focus on various causes and sort of go in certain directions, which means that there's going to be a huge gap at the bottom of the Royal Market where people are going to want somebody who's going to turn up and shake hands for the local village fate or opening the local village school. But I think that it was a very good thing that they did it. And none of it surprises me because one of my oldest friends, I think I've said this before, is the mother of someone who Pippa nearly married. Yes. And she's always had a very high opinion of Catherine.

Catherine is intelligent. She's focused. She is not at all dramatic. In fact, if she has a feeling, it is that she is phlegmatic. She's not really phlegmatic but she she doesn't have an exciting personality uh which is very good she's got a nice personality but you know she's she's she's not a firebrand like megan and i thought it was really good good luck to her let's see hopes that she does a few more but not too many because she needs to take care of her health she does but the thing is i actually think from a pr perspective that might be the wrong term but from a perspective of the royal family and their global power actually there's an argument that Catherine doing less is actually

better I mean because of everything that's happened lady see she's now a global superstar well of course Dan that's William and Catherine's people's thinking as well, that instead of them spreading themselves too thinly, that they focus on fewer things to get greater impact. So that's their thinking. And you obviously agree with it. I actually do. I actually do. I't think we need catherine at the local community center actually i think there's other members of the royal family who can do that well there would be other members of the royal family if they hadn't been chopped off at the knees the fact of the matter is there aren't other members of the royal family. The Duke of Kent is 89.

He was just 89. Princess Alexandra doesn't function. Prince Michael has never been a working royal per se. The Duke of Gloucester is batting 80, as is the Duchess of Gloucester. You have the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh, who are hardly in the first flush of youth. So who do you really have who's going to, you know, go to Sarabiton and cut ribbons? There's a big gap in that market.

And I'm just waiting for somebody at the palace to have a light bulb moment. But maybe they never will. Maybe they think that by cutting down things so that the most important are acknowledged and the least important of their activities are expunged and removed from the scenario, that that will be good for the monarchy. But I cannot say I agree, because that means that they are looking at the monarchy through the prism of the media. and the media is there to publicize the monarchy's activities or not publicize them as is the choice you will know Dan that most of the work that the princess

royal does or the glosters never gets any media attention whatsoever does that negate its value i do not think it does to all those people who will never be acknowledged except in a situation like that i think they still count and i think those that's one of the most important functions of the royal family no very good point very good point lady c now of course it has been a tale of two princesses this week though because what a contrast when you you look at Catherine this afternoon, regal, very important, bringing hope to a group of people who have gone through a trauma and a tragedy and actually spending the time with them, Lady C. That's a critical thing.

Half an hour with every family grouping that lost someone in the Southport Massacre. It could not be more different to the Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle, who made her big return to the red carpet in Los Angeles at the weekend. Lots of controversy around this appearance, Lady C, because we learn she didn't actually bother to stay for the event. She didn't buy a table. She basically used the red carpet, went inside and was escorted out within minutes. And she used children as props on the red carpet. She had no interest like Catherine spending all of this time getting to know them, learning about their stories, what are they going through.

It was simply a PR opportunity for her. So what did you make of this return to the spotlight, Lady C? It's crass, common, vulgar and dreadful. But it doesn't alter the fact that it was an arrangement and it was arranged with the organizers that she wouldn't stay. It was all agreed she would be there. Her presence was going to assure them of publicity that they wouldn't otherwise receive. And their venue was going to be the platform for her. So each one was using the other.

And I actually do not decry the hospital using her like that. And I understand in any event that she was so hyper and so that that there was no possibility of her being able to sit still for an evening so it was just as well that she oh deal or no deal. Well, deal or no deal. So you think she may have had a few drinks before turning up, Lady C? Have you caught a cold? I do have a cold, Dan. I have a cold yep no i know what you're saying

and i have to tell you more than one person has commented on the garning that she was doing with And somebody actually was told that that is symptomatic of coke jaw. They'd never heard of coke jaw. And when they told me about it, I'd never heard of coke jaw. But I looked it up. And Megan's jaw, of course, it's doubtless a total coincidence. Yes. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. Because, of course, it's her husband who has admitted to drug use.

And I'm sure she had probably just had a few drinks. But it was just a very bizarre appearance overall, wasn't it? And what do you make of the fact, Lady C, that she didn't even bother to stay? What does that say about her? She's an opportunist, Dan. She's a user. But it was an agreed use. They were going to get something and she was going to get something as well. And so each party, I am sure, is perfectly satisfied. But, well, you know Lizzie Cundin. I mean...

Yes. And Lizzie came right out and said that, you know, it was obvious she was there purely for the red carpet. I mean, this is a woman who wouldn't only go to the opening of an envelope she would go to the opening of a lavatory bowl and i actually think lizzie looked much better than than megan she but she looked ridiculous oh well lizzie looked much better yeah but i mean megan looked ridiculous that that dress is it just doesn't work, you know.

And I don't know what's going on with the bustline, because, I mean, I'm only a Dean's List student from the Fashion Institute in New York. So I would have no idea why that dress had the bustline the way it did. But the whole thing was very perplexing. with or without the overskirt, have been appropriate for a member of a royal family to wear to an official occasion, or to an occasion where they were being photographed. One thing you do not do, ever, when you are royal or grand, is when you are on, you are never sexy. Sexy is for tarts. Sexy is not for ladies. I mean, you can be sexy privately.

Well, we can all see deal or no deal. And are you going to buy? Because I've got something to sell. She's back to where she was, isn't she? I also wanted to get your reaction, Lady C, because I know you have done for the publication of your books a lot of research about Meghan Markle's past. And I was very shocked by this interview that she gave on the red carpet

where she pretended that she still has friends from her high school days. Watch this. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece French toast sticks, bacon or sausage wrap, biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more. Limited time only at participating Wendy's Taxes Extra. Oh my goodness, the work that they do at Children's Hospital LA is otherworldly. And I think from my standpoint as a mother, no one wants to have to be in a position where you need to go to a place like this.

But if you have to, the best place in the world you could go would be Children's Hospital LA. And I have close friends who still have their children there going through treatments, either from high school, close mom friends now that are having their children really have that experience with the staff is incredible. And the amount of work that they do for families that really could not afford this level of care is something that I think should never be overlooked. So I'm just grateful for everything they do. Happy to be here to support. Maybe see what high school friends are these? I have 20 something year old children, obviously, you know, because remember, Megan is a woman in her mid-40s, and Megan is a late mother, let's put it that way. So Megan's children are a good 10 or 20 years younger than most of her contemporary's children.

But it would be interesting to see who she is actually referring to, because my understanding is that nobody from that element of her life has anything to do with her anymore, nor does she have anything to do with them. She left the rabble behind long ago. Adios, baby. Yeah, and they weren't at the wedding, of course. And speaking of adios, baby, another formal departure from her staff, Ashley Hansen, the global press secretary in heaven communications she didn't do a good job the 19th member of staff to step down

what are you hearing about this lady Sue? Well I think we'll find there's going to be back scratching as well because she's going she's not going under a cloud well she's not going under

let me try to phrase this properly she's not going under the sort of cloud that Jeff Kettler left under you know it's been that Jeff Kepler left on them. You know, it's been a more agreed departure.

And she is going to be using them, and they're going to be using her for the foreseeable future, which I should think will be the next few months, then the true level of regard will become apparent within a year when there will be absolutely no communication between them ever again. But you know, Meghan and Harry are learning that you have to be careful how you get rid of people. Because all the NDAs in the world want stopping people from speaking. And those people then speak to other people. And the next thing you know is it's in the Hollywood Reporter.

As well as all the publications. Indeed. Now, let me see, how worried do you think we should be about King Charles? Because he's going to Australia next week and pausing his cancer treatment for 11 days. But then we learn that he will miss the COP summit in azerbaijan presumably so that he can renew that treatment i mean the rumors aren't going away lady c about just how ill he is well dan i want to be really careful to not tread on any toes. I understand.

I think the king wants a degree of privacy. Yes. He also has been forthcoming up to a point. I happen to have contact with some of the doctors. And I'm very fortunate because my brother-in-law is a very eminent doctor in the United States. So I have always run whatever I've heard. In fact, when I wrote my posthumous Diana book, he's the person who explained to me why Diana had to die because of the tear to the pulmonary vein and when the doctor moved her. But I don't want to sidetrack.

I know the form of cancer treatment he's getting, and I'm not going to say what it is and i have made the point on my channel previously that when people say two to three years they're being very pessimistic because the form of cancer he has is very responsive to treatment. So it doesn't mean he will necessarily be cured, but it means, I mean, I have a friend who has lived with ovarian cancer for nearly 30 years. Yes. And so, you know, you can live, you can live out a fairly decent lifespan with the fall of cancer he has and the effect it has had upon his body. I'm choosing my words very carefully.

When they target what those effects are, they're very amenable to treatment. So they may not be a curable situation, but it is certainly a very manageable situation. There is no way that they would be stopping the 11 days of treatment if they felt that to interfere with the process for that length of time was going to and i know what the process is that way and i'm not going to say what it is either sorry no i i think that's completely fair enough but actually you have you've given me a bit more

hope so so that is nice we've had some good news today. Just one final thing, ladies and gentlemen, before we move to the after show. A few people were messaging me saying, why does Catherine look so good? Including, by the way, I was speaking to someone who was going through chemotherapy herself and just can't believe that Catherine looks now almost identical to how she looked previously. Well, she's lucky. She has an ectomorph body. She's got a great head of hair. The type of cancer that she had and the type of treatment didn't cause her to lose her hair. And she's got a great face and she puts on makeup well, you know. It's, it's, I mean, any woman knows, Dan, in the morning you look one way.

Once you've slept on the makeup, you look one way in once you slept on the makeup you look infinitely better but that doesn't mean that she doesn't basically look good uh but there was not she was very slim to begin with so there's not a great weight loss to factor into the equation and her face has she has very good bones and uh so rarely to an extent you're actually getting pretty much what you got before do you see what i'm saying i do i do i do indeed. The reason I ask you is because, of course, people use these things to spread all sorts of theories, which I think, again, are really unfair on Catherine. But look, Lady C, stand by. Don't go anywhere because coming up in the Uncancelled After Show, Lady Colin Campbell's war with the Daily Mail over these Thomas Markle smears. We're going to be talking all about that. You know it's important to me we have a safe space,

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