Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE COUP AS SUELLA BRAVERMAN HUSBAND DEFECTS TO REFORM + ANGELA RAYNER HUMILIATED

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

Another major Tory defection to Reform UK, with Suella Braverman’s husband Rael joining Nigel Farage’s party. Will the former Home Secretary be next? And are the Conservatives close to extinction, even as its new leader Kemi Badenoch meets JD Vance in the US? Andre Walker – host of the brilliant Andre Walker channel on YouTube – joins Dan for the entire show. PLUS: Angela Rayner is humiliated in a duo of MSM appearances, as the Deputy PM proves she’s way out of her depth. AND: The chilling witch hunt against Mahyar Tousi continues, as a £10,000 reward is offered. THEN: In the Uncancelled Aftershow, The Royal News Network is here to analyse Prince William’s major meeting with Donald Trump, which has left Prince Harry and Meghan Markle feeling angry and increasingly nervous. Sign up to watch the exclusive Aftershow at www.outspoken.live. Today’s Sponsors: SURFSHARK - Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra four months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price VERSO - https://buy.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. MANSCAPED - https://manscaped.com – get 20% off + free shipping with the code Outspoken. ---------- Dan Wootton Outspoken is fan funded through monthly and one-time donations: https://www.outspoken.live ---------- Join Dan's Substack community: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you. We'll be right back. so no spin no bias no censorship i'm dan wo This is Outspoken Live, episode number 113. Hope you had a lovely weekend. Please do click to subscribe to our brand new independent news source. Turn on the notification bell. Then you'll be alerted to our new shows, uncancelled interviews, special royal episodes as well. Breaking right now. Another major Tory defection to Reform UK with Suella Braverman's husband, Royale, joining Nigel Farage's party.

Will the former Home Secretary be next? And are the Conservatives close to extinction, even as its new leader, Kemi Badenoch, meets J.D. Vance in the US? Well, Andre Walker, host of the brilliant Andre Walker channel on YouTube, joins me for the entire show. Also coming up today, Angela Rayner is humiliated in a duo of MSM appearances as the deputy PM proves she's way out of her depth. The chilling witch hunt against Maya Tusi continues as a £10,000 reward is offered. And Tesco goes woke for Christmas with a festive ad that competes with Jaguar and Boots for being the worst of this festive season.

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Even the husband of a former Conservative Home Secretary and woman tipped as a future party leader has had enough. Raoul Braverman, married to superwoman Suella and a highly engaged astute political operator in his own right, became the latest big-name Tory to defect to Reform UK yesterday, joining Dame Andrea Jenkins and Tim Montgomery. He announced on X, I have left the Conservative Party because it has become a shadow of what it once stood for. Its incompetence and failure to deliver have betrayed the trust of the British people. I deeply regret that it has come to this, as there are still a handful of decent MPs trying to do the right thing.

I believe in politics driven by conviction and a genuine commitment to serving our nation, not by empty promises and mismanagement. Farage proudly trumpeted his latest recruit, writing, Ray O'Braverman is out campaigning for reform in Hertfordshire today. He has received a great reception after joining the fastest growing movement in British politics. Now, Sweller herself insists she is not defecting yet. She told The Independent, My husband and I have a healthy respect for each other's independence. He doesn't tell me how to do my job, but I don't tell him how to pick a political party.

And of course, look, that is an absolutely fair point. However, Superwoman Suella should defect. Her husband has absolutely done the right thing. The Conservative Party abandoned her. Even though I'm genuinely convinced she would have won the leadership without any doubt if MPs had put her into the runoff. But she didn't even put her name forward, knowing there was zero chance of that actually happening. And according to this bombshell report from Christopher Hope, the penny has even dropped

for Labour in regards to who their real opposition is. Big beasts in the Labour Party would lose their seat. Angela Rayner, Wes Streeting, Shabana Mahmood, all in the shadow cabinet, Chris Bryant, number two in the culture department. So big names would fall, put to the sword, if you like, by Farage's army. And that is the risk.

And I've been told by a very senior source, a very, very senior source, number 10, has admitted they are 50-50 on whether the Tories or reform are the main target, the main problem at the election. They are that worried. The time has come, real conservatives, to be bold. Your party has left you. Like, I'm actually disappointed at this point that Robert Jenrick confirmed over the weekend that he is not defecting to reform either. Now, look, I'm open. I am open. Maybe Kemi Badenoch's chat with J.D. Vance will make a difference. Maybe. But I doubt it because the early days of Kemi's leadership have been lackadaisical and uninspiring. Everywhere I look, it's Reform UK providing the life and soul of the opposition. Take Lee Anderson versus Have I Got News For You. The BBC establishment boards posted a picture of Farage on Question Time and wrote,

Stumped by the question and down to his last lifeline, one who wants to be a millionaire contestant realises that phoning his friend Lee isn't going to win him the jackpot. Prompting Lee to reply, When we've sorted border control out, we're coming for you next. That'll save us a few billion a year. Just inject that into me. because we really need hope. And at this point, I think the country needs reform. So while Farage has, of course, made missteps, and, you know, I'm going to cover them here as a critical friend, as I always say, there is a reason why the political prisoner Tommy Robinson delivered a message from behind bars not to turn on Reform UK for now, even though they may have seemed to turn on him. I think he's right. We simply cannot dismiss the golden goose.

But now, the uncancelled interview. And I'm so delighted to be joined today on Outspoken by a man who is very outspoken, as I'm sure you all know, Andre Walker, host of the Andre Walker channel on YouTube. Andre, loving having you in this independent space. There you go. Your channel's doing great stuff at the moment. Oh, just unmute yourself, Andre, because we have to be able to hear you, of course. Sorry, just repeat that again. Got you. Oh, we're just struggling to hear you. We're going to get your sound sorted.

While we're doing that, let me just share with you the other tweet that Raoul Braverman posted over the weekend. This was in regards to Rupert Lowe, the Reform UK MP, writing to the Home Secretary. He said, But never answers the real question. What's their plan to stop this? More open borders and empty promises won't fit the chaos. And then I want to show you this new advertisement from Reform UK, which has trumpeted the fact that they are now leading Labour in the polls. Watch this. Three newest recruits creating the party's first council group in Wavers. We believe in the party's focus on common sense policies, the economy and the fact that we can put local communities first. I genuinely believe we can change the future of politics, we can change the future of our country. Last week it was former Conservative Ministerenkins who announced her defection to reform uk that's right but this week the founder of conservative home a familiar face to anybody

that follows politics on the tv tim montgomery has been announced as the latest high-profile conservative to join reform uk and And the results of that poll were quite astonishing. The Conservative Party down 1 to 26 percent. Reform UK up 2 to 24 percent. Labour down 2 to 23 percent. The Lib Dems down 1 to 11 percent. Labor down two to 23 percent. The Lib Dems down one to 11 percent. And then the Greens on nine percent and the SNP on three percent. And there just seems to be a genuine momentum shift. I'm very interested, actually, just while we're getting Andre Walker back, because the live poll today, if you are watching live on YouTube, is who would you like to see as the Home Secretary? And this result is really, really fascinating, actually.

Suella Braverman on 39%, Robert Jenrick on 13%, Yvette Cooper just on 1%. God, I'd love to know who wants her. But Rupert Lowe on 47%. And there are a lot of people who do believe at the moment that Rupert Lowe is the person who potentially could be proving himself to be an heir apparent of Nigel Farage. I saw Bernie Spofforth posted earlier in the day that she could imagine him as prime minister. Now, Andre Walker, we have you, I believe. Hey, listen, I was being completely dishonest. I deliberately muted. I just wanted to get myself a beer.

Now, let me tell you something. You are not going to... No, actually, you will believe this. Both local breweries where I live, I'm a shareholder of both of them. So as we talk, we'll have a quick beer. I would expect nothing less from you, Andre Walker. But look, I'm loving you on YouTube. I think it's great. This is such an exciting platform. Are you liking it? Yeah, I think so. I think that we've got to challenge the hegemony that we see around us. We've got to start taking back control. First, we challenged the European Union. Now we've got to challenge the media establishments and the political establishment.

And you know something, Dan? People are so downbeat about this country. I genuinely believe that we have a huge opportunity here. I accept that we've got a bad government. I accept that our politicians are substandard. Our journalists are substandard. And, you know, our leaders are substandard. But I think now we recognise that, we've got an opportunity to deal with it. And I think that channels like yours and channels like mine

are really going to change things and get this country really where it needs to be. Because this is a great country. We're just let down by our terrible leaders. Oh, big time. Your channel is going to explode of that, I have absolutely no doubt. So tell me, Andre, where do you stand on the Reform UK question? Because I know in the past you've been a big Tory. Are you one of these people who thinks it's done? Well, I've lived in two places in my life. Lee in Greater Manchester, the Conservative MP, and now is likely, I think, to become the safest reform seat in the country after the next election.

Andy Burnham held it with a 24,000 majority, but I think reform will take it relatively easily next time. Where I sit here now in Windsor, where the Conservative brand still has some power. Look, here's what I'm going to say to you. My dad is a senior Conservative in Lee, and yet he voted for reform. And I think that what we need to do is support whichever Conservative brand is most likely to win. But, you know, the Conservative Party was taken over by Liberal Democrats, globalists, as Steve Bannon calls them, the party of Davos.

I think we need to take back control of the Conservative Party because there is one thing. You know, there's huge amounts of assets, there's a lot of money, there's buildings that the Conservative Party own, and I don't think that should be surrendered to the Liberal Democrats like Alan Mabbott that have so destroyed the Conservative Party own. And I don't think that should be surrendered to the Liberal Democrats like Alan Mabbott that have so destroyed the Conservative Party. I think we should be running these people out of town. Now, look, you know, if I was in Lee, I would lock, stock and barrel, move the Conservative Party to reform. In Windsor, that might be a bit different.

Personally, I would like to see a coalition after the next election with Nigel Farage leading it. But we'll see what happens. I mean, it is worth pointing out that when Benjamin Disraeli united the Tory party to create the Conservative Party, remember, it was, you know, landed gentry down south and mill owners up north. And I think, you know, if we have to have that again, that's great. I think Boris Johnson attempted it. I don't think that's going to be within the Conservative Party. I think the business people now have to be for reform and perhaps the slightly more snobby and posh people to have to be some sort of deal. But of course, the big question will be, who is the major party, which is an extraordinary conversation to even be having. And I think you're probably right that it's going to be Nigeland Reform UK. Can I ask

you, Andre, what you make of the Tommy Robinson question? Because this is something that has very much divided a lot of people on the right, especially when you look at Richard Tice's comments about that lot and people being expunged as Reform UK candidates simply because they've expressed some sort of support for Tommy Robinson online. Do you think there needs to be some sort of reckoning for Reform UK to realise there has to be more of an open mind? Let me tell you one thing, the mistake that we make, now I appreciate that's not you and I appreciate that's not me, but I'm going to say we as the right, we pick people off one by one. I've never broadcast a show at all where I've criticised a right winger. You know, I'm perfectly happy

for the lefties to have a go at people like Tommy Robinson. But, you know, look, here's my point. When you look at Tommy Robinson, let's just remember what happened there. The Anglian Regiment came back to Luton and Tommy Robinson and his friends came to wave flags and jam Chowdhury and his bunch of extremists with their burning poppies and shouting abuse. The police failed to take any action and that's why the Luton Defence League was founded. And then that went on to become the English Defence League.

Look, don't shoot the messenger. Tommy Robinson is complaining about an apartheid state in Luton. He's complaining about the fact that interracial relationships are effectively banned. He's complaining about segregation in schools. He's complaining about the subjugation of women. He's complaining about forced marriage for young people being taken abroad. Look, you know, if you lock up Tommy Robinson, that's happened on many occasions. You know, that problem doesn't cease to exist. This is the stupidity of the establishment. Tommy Robinson is the allergic reaction. If you don't want Tommy Robinson, what you've got to do is deal with the problem. Let's just remember one thing really

clearly. Look, I can't be, you know, an anti-immigration conservative commentator and then ignore the fact that Tommy Robinson committed an immigration offence. But let's just remember, week after week, month after month, Tommy Robinson was raided by the Bedfordshire police. At the same time, they were saying we can't do anything about Anjam Chowdhury. Anjam Chowdhury later was convicted and said to be responsible for 90% of the terrorist attacks and plots against the United Kingdom. Now, look, you know, if somebody commits mortgage fraud, that's bad. If somebody commits an immigration offence, that's bad. But Amjam Chowdhury was a genuine danger. And I don't I've seen no argument yet, Dan, that explains to me why Tommy Robinson can be raided every week by the Bedfordshire police, who at the same time are incapable of taking any action

against Amjam Chowdhury. It is absolutely shameful. And as far as I'm concerned, look, first of all, I will say to you this. I think the Oxford Union speech by Tommy Robinson on YouTube must be watched. It's a seminal piece of work. But I think also, look, if you don't want Tommy Robinson, you deal with the problem of uncontrolled immigration. Lock him up makes no difference.

Couldn't agree more. Amen to that. And I would also recommend people watch the Tommy Robinson interview with Jordan Peterson, too, because I think when there is a high profile interviewer from the independent media who sits outside the British space, they're not polluted by a lot of ideas that the mainstream media puts into your head about Tommy Robinson. And look, I know that. I know, Andrean, you know, having been in the mainstream media and still being in the mainstream media to a degree, it's basically like he who must not be mentioned. That's the solution unless you're slagging him off. And that's what I think is completely healthy.

I mean, the same thing happened to Katie Hopkins. And I have to say what I love about the independent of one company. But look, all of these... Well, I'll say GB News. I'll say GB News. You're not allowed to mention Tommy Robinson on GB News or Katie Hopkins. But all those same people are there. I mean, I've seen... I was speaking to a presenter who his company told him

that a black guy accused him of racism. And when he shouted at him for doing it, he said, no, you must let him that you know a black guy accused him of racism and when he shouted at him for doing it he said no you must let him accuse you of racism and you must never shout at somebody who's non-white look you know our entire corporate world is infected with all this and look Dan you you've had a career being somebody who's you know willing to be honest and say things that other people don't say but But you know, you know that the bosses of these companies, the management of these companies, the HR departments of these companies will be just as bad as, you know, PricewaterhouseCooper and all the rest of these city firms. Don't delude yourself to believe that conservative media is stuffed full of people

on our side. Frontline people like you and me are on your side, but I'll tell you the management are not necessarily. Absolutely. And, and, and I'm not speaking about one company here, actually. They will throw you under the bus in a second if they think it's going to solve some sort of corporate headache. And I think you're completely right. Dan, can I say this to you? Look, you've got to understand something really, really clear. When it comes to news media, we are an unfortunate necessity, right? These big corporations don't want us. They want to be like the Guardian. They want Polly Toynbee. Those are the people they like. Those are the people that they go to dinner parties with. Those are the people that they hang out with. The reason why they have to have you and they have to have me and they have to have Julia Hartley Brewer and they have to have Patrick Christie's and people like that is because we are the people that would bring in the ratings. They don't want us. You know, you need people like Dan Woodson in order to pay for the people

that you actually like. and that is an unfortunate reality of what happens in all these organizations but believe me that you know there's no love here dan the second they can dump a dan watson they will dump a dan watson i mean i remember within uh talk being part of the news uk art phenomenon and there was a lot of sniffiness, even towards Julia and Mike Graham, two very good friends of mine, who were the two top rated shows. So there you go. I'm not going to ask you about that one.

Let me just say this to you. There's a snobbery to Julia Hartley-Brew, despite the fact that she's got a first in PPE from Oxford University. But because she's a Brexiteer, still people look down at her and call her a moron, which is unbelievable. No, it really is. It really is.

And I just have to show you my little photo, my little photo, Andre. I described them as my two freedom angels, Julia Hartley-Brew and Alison Pearson. I was with them both on Saturday night and yeah, let's just say to be sniffy about women like that is ludicrous. What happened to her is genuinely shameful and I have to say, I've got a lot of time for the

former Lord Chancellor, Sir Robert Puckland, who said it's really now time for the courts and the police to stop being the judges of morality. You know, if you find something offensive then you've got to turn off your TV or radio and not police to stop being the judges of morality you know if you find something offensive then you've got to turn off your tv or radio and not speak to the person again the idea that a court can arbitrate taste and decency is just ludicrous the idea that the police can come up with oh by the way can i just say this to you dan please and i just want to make this

point about the college of policing right um i. I am a former European debating champion. Well, I was grand finalist, actually. I wasn't quite the champion. I represent the University of London. I was the University of London A-team. I debated against Rob Rinder, who's University of Manchester A-team, and loads of other people that you will have heard of. Look, the idea that hate speech leads to genocide is just nonsense, right?

Imagine now you and I hated each other, right? And I was allowed to go around slagging you off for as long as I wanted to. That would not lead to me in 20 years' time turning violent. I'd get it out of my system. I'd get it off my chest. I would forget it. The reality is what causes damage to our society is when people are not able to vent their spleen and not able to discuss their concerns and not able to honestly debate the issues of the day. So I guarantee you that if you want violence on the streets, if you want to see a repeat of what happened in Southport, then the College of Policing's idea of these non-crime hate incidents

is the best way to guarantee it'll happen more and more. They are talking garbage about this idea that there's this pyramid that leads from me being a bit shirty with you to some sort of genocidal attack. It's just garbage. And I can say that as an expert. No, I couldn't agree more.

I couldn't agree more. Now, look, the competition for who is the most incompetent minister in Starmer's socialist government is really ratcheting up a notch with Angela Rayner, the Deputy Prime Minister, still can't believe it when I say that,

giving two incompetent interviews on outlets, which very favourable to her, which is the most shocking thing. She can't even survive the mainstream media. I mean, she's certainly not going to be sitting down with you or me on Trey Walker. These are favourable interviews. Both of them were car crashes. Let's watch along and then I'll get your reaction so first up this was Angela Rayner being completely destroyed by Trevor Phillips on Sly News

on the president densities you're going to add 3.4 million or home for 3.4 million people with your 1.5 million houses. On your own figures, we're also going to add to our population 2.5 million people over this same period. Are you content that more than five out of seven new homes will go to immigrants? Well, that's not the truth. That's what will happen. Well, that's not the reality because we've... Well, where are the 2.5 million immigrants that uh in are in rachel v's budget figures going to turn out where they're going to live well there's plenty of housing in the uk but the houses especially

we've got to build this one five minute 1.5 million houses and then say there's plenty of housing already there is plenty of housing trevor already but there's not enough for the people that desperately need it so the homes especially under our affordable homes programme which is social and affordable homes housing they will be there for people who desperately need them local people we've already outlined how we're going to support veterans and people who are fleeing domestic violence. Councils need homes for people that are on the waiting list. I've already announced changes to the right to buy, making sure they actually see it so that we can deliver the houses they desperately need.

Deputy Prime Minister, it doesn't quite make sense. You start the interview by telling me that there's a housing crisis. When I remind you that you have said yourselves as a government we're going to need 2.5 million migrants, some of them, by the way, people are going to build the houses, suddenly there's a lot of housing. Where are these people going to go? Well, Trevor, first of all, when you say about building as well, the previous government did use migrant labour far too much

instead of actually building skills here in the UK. I've announced £140 million for new construction hubs so that we can train people here to deliver those houses. So I don't accept that we're going to bring migrants in for that. We've always said that actually we need to skill our own people up. But equally, we need to build the homes that people need. Nobody's had a focus on social housing for a generation. And I'm going to build those homes because far too many people at the moment are waiting on council housing lists. And I've got to fix it. Andre, total car crash because we know the houses are going to the immigrants.

No, listen, I'm sorry. You can have both plenty and not enough at the same time. I just I will say one thing in her defense. At least she wasn't wearing the mint bivouac, which she has turned up in multiple times. Wherever she bought that from, it needs to disappear. Look, you know what frustrates me? When I talk to people and they're really worried about being able to buy a home. Let's simplify the mathematics. When they say that they want a 40% social housing target for every new development, let's call it 50-50, right? I accept it's not quite 50-50, but let's call it 50-50. That means if you want to buy a house in the United Kingdom to live in, you have to buy two. One that you get to live in and the other one that goes to those in need. Now, let me

tell you something about people in need. Housing is not officially prioritised to migrants, but who are the people who have families with nowhere to go, with no relatives to sofa serve, with no infrastructure in the country? These are, in practice, migrant families. And look, I talked to you about Windsor, where I am at the moment. You know, we got incredibly frustrated because all that used to happen with us, every time we used to build social housing, it went to recent migrants who were living in Slough. And the reality was, all that happened when we built social housing was it pushed up the price of houses for our residents and the benefit was taken by somebody else but I'm going to tell you it's really easy

to work out whether Angela Rayner is right or wrong. Do you remember when you were a kid playing musical chairs? That is what the Labour government is doing with social housing. At the end of the day you can change the rules to musical chairs as many times as you like, but when there's 10 kids playing and only eight seats, two kids are going to end up being left out at the end of the round. Now, the reality is what Labour want to do is they want to build, you know, X number of houses but bring in more migrants

than there are houses. Therefore, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. As long as there are more people coming into the country than houses are being built, we will have a housing crisis and it makes no difference what changes you make. Indeed. That wasn't the only Angela Rayner car crash, though. Even the British Bashing Corporation, where she is usually embraced with open arms, wasn't having her bull.

Watch this, Andre. Economic activity at risk. I'm just saying, do you think you would have a rethink on it? Well, I think that there was an imbalance and we spoke to many businesses. They've been working with us to get the employment rights bill forward. Can you name a company, a few of them, that have welcomed these proposals? Well we've worked with many of the companies, I've worked with so many of them on this, I've had many roundtables as has the business secretary and they've very much welcomed the work that we've been doing on making sure that people... But you must be able to name a few because I can name all the companies, the recruitment

companies, Hayes, Manpower, Randstad, they've signed the letter saying this is the wrong approach, you're going to put jobs at risk. Which are the companies that have welcomed your employment rights? Well, like I say, I've spoke to many companies, we've had many roundtables with them and we've been discussing it and they've acknowledged that there has to be a balance and broadly welcomed it we've made changes as opposed to for example on the probation periods when we listened to what business said so we have the probation periods as well alongside the balance of rights from you get me a list of those companies and then we can call them and say do you welcome angela rainer's proposals well there's been many of the companies that we've worked with, like I say, so many of them. No answer because, Andre Walker, there is no company, there is no company that

supports Labour's decision to destroy British business. Well, I mean, we are talking in this country about real poverty. We're talking about, you know, I always ask the question, who in this country is rich? The reality is there are a tiny, tiny percentage of multimillionaires and billionaires that are having it easy. Everybody else is struggling. People with good jobs on good wages, twin income families with a couple of kids are really struggling. You know, what we need to be is more efficient as a country, not less efficient. And I will tell you, and I know it's not directly related, but the thing that frustrates me more than anything else is when you see what happens at things like Tata Steel, when you see what happens at Grangemouth, where we are exporting those high value manufacturing

and energy jobs to China. Do you know the Middle East produces more oil now than ever before? And because we're not consuming it, it's instead going to China, and China's selling us those batteries, which are a complete nightmare to the environment. We are destroying our economy, and we're plunging people into real poverty. And you know, you can slag off Dan Angela Rayner all day, but I will tell you, Ed Miliband is responsible for causing more poverty and hardship in this country than almost any what was it, the milestones or the goalposts or whatever they are, which keep on shifting, Labour is still committed to decarbonising the electricity grid by 2030. This is a government that wants to plunge us into poverty. And, you know, we're sat here in England. You know look at scotland grangemouth was or is i don't know whether it's closed yet four percent of the entire scottish economy can you imagine the oil rich nation scotland not producing any oil at all it is shameful shameful. And when granny's freezing this winter, we have to say to ourselves

that we are rich in shale gas. We are rich in coal. We are rich in oil. We're rich in all of those things that can build an economy. That's why the industrial revolution happened. Where I'm from in Lancashire, we could supply most of the country with shale gas. And all of it has been banned in exchange for lithium batteries produced by the Chinese. And what frustrates me more than anything else is that the reason the Chinese need this oil and want to put us on lithium batteries is so that they can take the jobs. You know, Dan, I used to work in local government, right? And when they brought in all of these targets for recycling, and you know what we used to do?

We used to ship our paper and we used to ship our plastic to Southampton and we used to say to Chinese and Indian contractors, make sure you recycle that, guys. You know what they did? They dug a big hole and stuck it all in there. The reality is these green targets, this green agenda, is nothing more than flannel. If you think that Tata Steel shut down because we're not going to have those

polluting jobs anymore, mate, you are deluding yourself. The jobs have gone to China and we have to throw people in Port Talbot onto the scrap heap. They were never given a chance. And when they say moving to a green economy, what they mean is, hack British industry out of existence and send the jobs to China. It's chilly. It's absolutely chilly. Can I just ask you on Rainer though, Andre, from a pure politics point of view, she's still probably the most likely person to succeed Starmer, right? I mean, I don't see any way that Labour goes into the next general election with Keir Starmer as leader. The moderates in the party would love to see Wes Streeting. I don't think that's going to happen.

Rachel Thieves has completely disqualified herself with her fake life revelation. So I would still argue that Rainer, despite her incompetence since becoming Deputy Prime Minister, is the woman in pole position for the top job. I find the Rainer thing remarkably snobby. I think that, first of all, the Labour Party doesn't understand working class people. I mean, my dad was a director of the co-op for many years. And the Labour and trade union movement has a proud tradition up north.

Look, at the end of the day, you know, those coal miners, those trade union officials, the people who built the co-op movements in Rochdale, you know, they were poor and disadvantaged. They weren't thick. The problem is with Angela Rayner, people like Keir Starmer, people like Sadiq Khan, people at the top of the Labour Party think that what they need is some thickos off the council estate in order to prove that they care phenomenally talented people. And I think the fact that Keir Starmer and the Labour Party can't tell the difference between a talented and genuine working class person and a complete moron like Angela Rayner, I think it just says a great deal about the Labour Party. You started this show talking about Reform UK, and that is what is happening to this country, because people are starting to feel alienated. Well, they're not starting to feel, they felt for a long time, alienated by the political class.

That's as true for Labour voters as it is for Conservative voters. And I genuinely think that what will happen is that people will stop listening to this and start moving towards a patriotic alternative reform uk now i've told you that i remain a conservative party member but i think the trajectory is what it is i think if if you think that angela reyna is a working class hero you're definitely stupid enough to be friends with kirsten karma good point very good point. Breaking right now, Andre Walker has offered a £10,000 reward for people who have information that would lead to a conviction for anyone who has leaked personal information and these allegations against Maya Tusi. Now, this is obviously a really disturbing story.

There has been a clear witch hunt against Maya, who for some time has had his safety put at threat, largely in response to his coverage of the October the 7th massacre. And this situation is outlined by David Atherton, who writes extraordinary allegations from Andre Walker that some people at the Met Police or Security Services leaked Maya Toosey's details onto social media with the aim to do him harm. Toosey has had death threats. Walker has offered £10,000 reward for info that would lead to the leaker's conviction. And Andre Walker is here. So Andre, tell me what's going on.

Very, very simply this. I've said that I will offer £10,000 for information leading to the conviction of any police officer, member of the security services or civil servant who was responsible for the improper accessing or leaking of Maya Tuzi's information. Look, the reality is that Maya has done absolutely nothing wrong and it's very clear he's done nothing wrong.

But obviously, when the police failed in their attempt to muzzle him, the information was leaked online of his address and his personal details, putting him at significant risk. And those people, by the way, who don't think he's at risk, I can tell you that one day he came to News UK and he was being followed by a couple of goons. And I said, who are these people? And he said, oh, they're from the Iranian embassy. They regularly follow me and try and intimidate me. Now, he was very blasé about it in a way that obviously you wouldn't be and I wouldn't be because obviously this is simply part of his life. But the reason I offered the £10,000 reward was simply this. Look, I have the greatest respect for criminal investigations. I have the greatest respect for genuine police officers. But

if you want to abuse your position, whether that be in the police, whether that be in the security services, whether that be in the civil service, to mount a political campaign, then we're going to treat it as a political campaign. And we're going to fight to win. And part of that is, I watch Crime Watch in the old days, and they used to offer £10,000 rewards. There's no prohibition on me offering a £10,000 reward. And the best thing about it, Dan, is I don't know how secure the security services think their teams are. But I have had people get in touch with me from all levels, let's just say, of the civil service and the police. And they've all sung like canaries.

There is a definite competition to win the prize. And I think the importance of it is what the police want to do is treat this as a professional standards issue. I think that this is one of the greatest threats to free speech in recent history in Britain. And I don't think we should let it lie. I think there should be criminal prosecutions. And look, I've said that if necessary, I'll raise that figure. I'll go down with a begging bowl. I'll sell a kidney. You know what? I'll do whatever it takes in order to defend and protect the integrity of the Constitution of the United Kingdom. And if that means I have to pony up £10,000 to convict a police officer who was in the wrong. I think it's worth it to protect our country. And if I have to do it three or four times,

then, you know, look, I'll get you to sell a kidney as well. We'll get there. We'll get there. We will find that £10,000, Roger Walker. But I think what's so disturbing is that the Met Police don't seem to have any desire to protect Maya Tusi. And you know that if he were an activist from the independent media on the left, for example, if this was happening to Ash Sarkar or Owen Jones of Navarra Media, there would be full investigations into this.

It would be reported throughout the mainstream media. But Maya has been desperately trying to seek the attention of mainstream journalists and the police, and they are turning their nose up. Absolutely, because it's a political campaign. I mean, look, I've said that the police now fifth column. I don't mean that in terms of the ordinary police federation, the ordinary constables, who I think are stuck in a very difficult situation. It's the police leadership who've been hijacked by the far left, people who lamented the fall of the Soviet Union.

And let me just give you an example. You know, any police officer watching this, and there will be plenty, who ask themselves questions about where their loyalties should lie. Well, look, you know, the defund the police is all from the political left. When John Charles de Menendez, you know, when that incident took place with the police and that shooting, you know, we turned around and we said it wasn't the fault of the individual officers, that this was a democratic decision to bring in Operation Kratos, and that ultimately we all had to have a shared

responsibility and not just throw the firearms officers to the wolves. The left was saying that these people should be locked in prison. The Chris Cabba situation, who were the people who said to the Crown Prosecution Service that they were bringing a meritless case against this police officer just in order to protect quote unquote community relations. So look, you know, if the police leadership get their way and subdue and subjugate and attack us on the right, the result will be that the police will be significantly damaged. Ordinary constables will be thrown to the wolves. There will be nobody to protect the integrity of a police constable's warrant card. And actually, I think it's remarkably lazy

and crass to turn around to the people who are defending the police and attempt to give us a kicking because they think they can rely on us forever. Well, at the end of the day, Dan, you know, we might lose, right? I feel relatively confident. But imagine we did. Imagine there was no Dan Wotton. Imagine there was no Maizzi. Imagine there was no Andre Walker. Then the police officers will be left to Ash Sarkar and Owen Jones and all of these absolute nutbags who would, first of all, strip them of all their power, secondly, accuse them all of racism, and thirdly, throw as many in prison as they power. Secondly, accuse them all of racism. And thirdly, throw as many in prison as they can.

The police need to get a grip. But I'm going to say this, Dan. We have to be fair and we have to be reasonable. I would never individually criticise a police officer running a genuine criminal investigation. But if what they're doing is running a political campaign whilst using their warrant card, they must be individually challenged. And that's something that we have to reserve the right to do. No, I think you're completely right. I have had unfortunate dealings with the Met Police over the past couple of years. But have to say the individual officers were incredibly

impressive but what is very difficult Andre is that even though these individual officers know that what they are doing is a political investigation an investigation to appease a left-wing media outlet or a left-wing politician, they have to go ahead and do it. And that's really disturbing. But let me just show you these. No, no, hang on a second, Dan. Hang on a second, Dan. That is propaganda.

I see no reason why a warranted police officer who was instructed to investigate Dan Wotton for political reasons couldn't simply turn to his commanding officer and tell him to get stuffed. And I think we need to do that. Look, we established a principle at Nuremberg that just following orders is not a viable defence when you're abusing the human rights of your citizenry. Oh, my goodness, they should, Andre.

But I know a lot about this, unfortunately. And let me tell you, the issue is that the press office for the Metropolitan Police is separate from the investigation teams. And very often the press office will release something simply to appease a particular outlet or a particular politician or keep Sadiq Khan happy without the say-so of the investigating team. So, look, the Met Police is a very troubled organisation, but I do hear what you're saying. We need more bravery from individual police officers, absolutely. But can I just show you these tweets from my, these posts? He said, instead of protecting me, some inside the Met Police are trying to get me killed by leaking

my personal information. We need the political establishment and the media on this where are they he then posted it has now been 27 hours and we haven't heard anything from our political leaders or the legacy media the legal fight is coming by ignoring what's happening to the most watched online news channel in the uk the political class and media are showing that they are our enemy. And I agree. I think they are. I'll tell you what I find staggering. You know, we talk about Maya Tusi. We talk about the Dan Watson show, Andre Walker, all these sorts of things.

I was out with a very nice gentleman from Channel 4 News, not a bad guy. And I said the name Maya Tusi.zi simply didn't know who this person was. They are so phenomenally out of touch. They just don't understand any of it. But, you know, we were talking earlier about the Conservatives. You know, lest we forget that for years and years and years, Owen Jones was accredited to Conservative Party Conference, but Maya Tusi was not. You know, we are picking ourselves off one by one. You know, if Ash Sharker phones me up, if Owen Jones phones me up to denounce Dan Wotton,

you know what? I'm going to tell him to get lost. I was going to be worse there. I didn't tell him to get lost because I'm sick of listening to it. You know, oh, I'm the moderate one. All the rest of them are terrible. Oh, Mike Graham's awful. Julia Hartley Brewer's awful.

Dan Wotton, but I'm the nice one. Do you know what I think? I think if you are a statist that wants to tax people out of existence, if you want the elderly to die from the cold over the winter whilst paying out your trade union mates in the rail service. I think you're a bad person. And I think we need to say that conservatism is motivated by love, love for family, love for community, love for the people around you.

Socialism is motivated by hate. Hate the rich. Tax the powerful. Destroy the capitalists. We've got to say that we are about love and they are about hate, and that doesn't make them good people. No, and we've seen that, by the way, on the streets of our capital city, London, for, what, 14 months now. And guess who's been broadcasting most of that? Citizen journalists like Maya Tusi. And that's why they want to shut him down.

But stand by, Andre Walker, don't go anywhere because guess what? Tesco have just joined the competition to release the most woke and out of touch Christmas ad. I'm going to show it to you and I think you'll be horrified. So more from Andre Walker in just one minute. But first, you know how often I talk about the need for free speech to be protected. In fact, it's been one of the main issues on the show today. But I've been increasingly thinking of the need for personal protection online from snoopers, bad actors and hackers. And I'm delighted to tell you that I've now found the fail-safe solution. But what's more, this VPN or virtual private network is also a life change when it comes to providing you entertainment and information from anywhere in the world. So let me introduce

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Not people I think who really shop in Tesco, actually. But you saw there, didn't you? Too white, too white. They know what they're doing. Yeah, they wouldn't last five minutes round, are they? They'd just be run out of time. I will tell you, you and I can have a laugh at this because we think of it being, you know, Tesco's done it.

Tesco's responsible. Tesco will have the fallout. Same as Jaguar. But I think the lesson from Anheuser-Busch is really different with the Dylan Mulvaney situation. What happens is these managers come in, they make appallingly bad decisions. The shareholders carry the can, but the managers get promoted to businesses elsewhere. And I think that actually, in some respects, Tesco is the victim, because the managers that are doing this know that this is unappealing to the public but don't care

because ultimately when things fail like with the Bud Light and by the way you know they were selling I think it was 12 cans of Bud Light for £8 at one point Dylan Mulvaney had destroyed the brand to such an extent but it doesn't matter because it's the shareholder that carries the can. It's not the management. So we are now in our corporate world incentivizing failure, incentivizing the destruction of our major companies and financially rewarding those responsible. Let me tell you, the people that destroyed Bud Light made a lot of money doing it and all walked off to brilliant jobs afterwards. And Dylan Mulvaney was laughing all the way to the bank. What the people that carried the can were the workers at Anheuser-Busch and the shareholders of Anheuser-Busch.

They and they had nothing to do with any of this. So so once again, you know, Tesco's know that this is not going to be appealing. It doesn't matter because it's only the Tesco shareholders and the Tesco ordinary staff that have to suffer. The management that do it get to move on to their next woke business, next woke job and probably get a big pay rise. I know. And the thing is, you're so right to point out that the executives are actually doing this on purpose, Andre. I think that is such a critical point. Now, I would argue that there needs to be management that have some balls and tell their ridiculous woke advertising agency they are not going to run this terrible commercial but they are doing it on purpose because this is actually about social engineering and if you look at the jaguar commercial for example and you listen to the guy behind what is i think one of the most catastrophic rebrands in history actually this is going to go down as a marketing flop, a bit like, you know, when they changed the flavor of Coca-Cola in the 1980s. But this guy doesn't care about cars. He's not working at Jaguar because he cares about cars.

He's working at Jaguar because he cares about social engineering. And I think we've got him talking about that. And at Jaguar, we're passionate about our people and we're committed to fostering a diverse, inclusive and unified culture that is representative not only of the people who use our products, but in a society in which we all live, a culture where our employees can bring their authentic selves to work. And we are on a transformative journey of our own, driven by a belief in diversity, inclusion, creativity, policy, and most importantly, action.

We've established over 15 DEI groups such as Pride, who are here tonight in the back. Thank you guys for coming. Women in Engineering and Neurodiversity Matters. We've launched major policy revisions such as transitioning at work to drive equity and support for our communities, embracing individuality as our superpower so it is socially engineering isn't it dan can i ask you a question if your car was knackered and he pulled up to help you wouldn't have much confidence would you i mean how is that a car

manufacturer you don't drive a car you know i mean i accept he's probably he should be on stage at eurovision right he's probably twisted some nuts in his time. He's probably twisted some nuts in his time, but not necessarily of the car brand. I mean, come on. It is what it is. This is a joker who is abusing a major British manufacturer for his own profit.

Yeah, but they're letting him, though, Andre. They are letting him. Correct. Well, I'll tell you something. You know, I'm a shareholder, as I say, in my local brewery. And if they behaved like that, believe me, I'd be at the shareholder meeting. I'll tell you something.

If I held shares in Jaguar or I held shares in any of these companies, there would be absolutely no chance that you would get away without a roasting at the shareholders meeting. Because, you know people dan are hoping to retire on the money that they've invested in these businesses and they're gonna they're gonna get to age 65 70 they're gonna open up their their envelope and find that the money has been lost by idiots like that guy i mean look i just repeat my comment how can that be the boss of a car company?

The man clearly knows nothing about engineering. He clearly isn't somebody who could repair a car. He's just a woke lefty who's bunkered himself into that position. And if you want to know why corporate Britain and corporate America is so bad, it's because idiots like that are taking over our great engineering firms. Andre, what are we meant to do, though, about this scourge of anti-white racism now creeping in to the mainstream thanks to these corporations? Because Shoa and Doe being hired for calling the Buckingham Palace balcony terribly white,

now you just know if someone had said terribly black, that'd be cancelled, that'd be finished. They certainly wouldn't be being hired by a major corporation. Then you have Tesco talking about a Christmas tree being too white. But we know what they're saying. We know the subliminal messaging in that advertising. It's really shocking to me that anti-white racism now seemingly is accepted in the world of advertising.

It's amazing, isn't it? Because if Lee Jasper was sat here now, he would say that racism, by definition, is when somebody is racially discriminated against by a majority towards a minority. But he also says that a discrimination by a minority towards the majority does not qualify as racism, and you can't prosecute it or call it out. Well, the slight problem with that is that would make the apartheid South African regime not racist. So it's obviously stupid.

The reality is we have welcomed people to this country, including my family. My dad's Greek and my mum's Irish. We've welcomed people to this country. And unfortunately, we have begun to venerate them as better. Look, I'm going to say this to you. I've said it plenty of times before. I don't have any desire to learn anything from Somalian culture. I think Eritrea is a dump.

And, you know, honestly, I think the reason why people leave Pakistan is because Pakistan's crap. Now, if you disagree with that, then you're welcome to live in Somalia, Eritrea or Pakistan. As I always say, my grandmother thought Greece was rubbish. Her brother thought it wasn't. So he remained in Greece and she moved to Britain. I'm sick to death of listening to how great other places were. But I'll tell

you the most hypocritical thing of them all, Dan. Didn't we listen to how marvellous Africa was until we suggested people move to Rwanda to have their asylum process ever come across and you know something I'll leave you with this as we draw up kind of to the end of this show but I had a friend of mine who's Ukrainian and he watched the king's speech and was I mean fairly bemused by the whole kings and queens and sirs and dames

and all this sort of thing. But at the end, he made a point. And I'm afraid he was right in what he said. The choir came on and he said, this choir has been picked because it has the smallest number of white children of any choir that applied. Now, we see it as diversity. He saw it as, well, hang on a second. Why is it that somebody's gone, or let's have them because there are very few white children in the choir? That is racism and it discriminates. And he says, look, in Eastern Europe, when they want to ethnically cleanse people, what they first of all do is ban their history. They reduce their culture, pull down the statues, start locking up their leaders, discriminate against them in housing, discriminate against them in university placements and scholarships, remove them from the TV and put in new people. Now, I'm not saying that Britain is deliberately ethnically cleansing white people. But what I will say to you is if you look at the tactics of people in Eastern Europe when they want to discriminate and

ethnically cleanse a particular group, every single thing that they do is happening in Britain. Statues pulled down, history banned, language mocked, discrimination in the university, positive discrimination in terms of government jobs being given to new people rather than the indigenous population, housing being prioritised. You can no longer turn on your television or radio and see anybody that looks like you. All of those things are happening in Britain. Now, we're probably doing it because we're trying to be nice, but nonetheless, it is sending the message to my nieces and nephews that being a white person in Britain is a bad thing. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And ultimately, you know, it's going to come to a point

where we can't be discriminated against forever and we will have to find our own new homeland. Just an astonishing thought. Thankfully, we're not there yet. No, indeed. But I think you're completely right to bring it out to that macro point of view, because there is something really chilly about thinking, OK, this woman's a hero for calling the balcony terribly white. And now Tesco, a local high street supermarket, is going to run a Christmas ad talking about things being too white. It's like white is bad. That is the message that is being sent. But Andre Walker, my goodness, we've covered it all. We've covered it all.

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