Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE FURY AS STARMER & LAMMY U-TURN OVER REPARATIONS WITH BRITAIN TO BE BANKRUPT

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

Another astonishing U-turn – but this one could end up bankrupting Britain. Breaking right now: Whitehall sources have told the Daily Mail that Starmer could sign up to a Commonwealth summit communique that references slavery reparations, which have previously been off the table. Is it any wonder given the Foreign Secretary Loony Lammy’s position on this matter? No wonder Nigel Farage is furious. In his Digest, Dan argues Starmer and Lammy are going to destroy Britain – our economy, our culture, our free speech, everything… Then his special guests for today’s show, The Bombshells Fleur Elizabeth and Amy Jemima, weigh in. PLUS: Rachel Thieves is now the CV cheat, revealed to be lying about her experience. Can we trust a word the Chancellor says? AND: Why is the MSM still silent on Keir Starmer’s big secret? To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Wow. Please click subscribe and be part of our brand new independent news revolution. Turn on the notification bell too. Then you'll be alerted to our brand new live shows, uncancelled interviews and special royal episodes. Today, another astonishing Labour U-turn, but this one could end up bankrupting Britain. Breaking right now, Whitehall sources have told the Daily Mail that Slippery Starmer could sign up to a Commonwealth Summit communique that references slavery reparations, which he had previously taken off the table. Is it any wonder, given the Foreign Secretary Looney Lamy's position on this matter. No wonder Nigel Farage is furious. No, slavery passed. No, no, never.

Now, there is an argument for reparations, obviously. I think the French, during the Hundred Years' War, I think the raids into Kent and Sussex, the loss of so much. I mean, where do you stop with this? No, no, no, never. In my digest, I argue Starmer and Lammy are going to destroy Britain, our economy, our culture, our free speech, everything. Then my special guest for today's show, the bombshells Fleur Elizabeth and Amy Jemima weigh in.

Also coming up today, Rachel Thieves is now the CV cheat, revealed to be lying about her experience. So can we trust a word that the Chancellor says? And why is the MSM still silent on Kastama's big secret? Then, in the uncancelled after show, P. Dina on disastrous news for Prince Harry with a shocking new twist in the bid to see him deported from the US for drug use. Register to watch it at www.outspoken.live. But now, let's go. If this is how much Zipri Starmer and Looney Lammy have given away and conceded in less than five months, where the hell are we going to be in five years? At this rate, there won't be any Great Britain or United Kingdom left. We'll just be a flattened, broke, woke and withering shadow of our once great empire. After initially talking tough on reparations and rebuffing all the ludicrous

suggestions of paying anywhere from hundreds of billions to 18 trillion pounds, literally our entire economy, today in Samoa, where King Charles is leading Chogham, a pathetic capitulation from Labour. So first this morning, the BBC reported Commonwealth heads of government are preparing to defy the UK and agree plans to examine repertory justice for the transatlantic slave trade. The current text of the draft summit communique leaked to the BBC said this. Heads, noting calls for discussions on repertory justice with regard to the transatlantic trade and enslaved africans agreed that the time has come for a meaningful truthful and respectful conversation towards forging a common future based on equity the answer from the uk then and there should have been nope Nope. Never. Hell no. But instead within hours we learn of an imminent capitulation. The Daily Mail's political editor Jason Groves posted on X, Whitehall's source suggests

Starmer could sign up to a Commonwealth summit communique that references slavery reparations but says this would not necessarily mean there is a change of policy. Not necessarily. Okay. Good, as we all know where this is going. So no wonder Farage furious today. No. Slavery passed.

No. No. Never. Now, there is an argument for reparations, obviously. I think the French, during the Hundred Years' War, I think the raids into Kent and Sussex, the loss of so much. I mean, where do you stop with this? Where do you stop with this? Do you go for reparations against the African black slave traders who sold the slaves to us in the first place?

I mean, do we actually, are we owed reparations from the Portuguese Spanish who carried on slaving and we had a massive cost stop them doing it. Look, if you give an inch on this, if Starmer shows any weakness on this, even if we might consider it, this will never go away. And I think I detect something going on here. The Chinese Communist Party have been doing their very best to chip away at the Commonwealth for quite some time. Barbados, Solomon Islands, etc. And I think some of these excessive demands, I think China's behind it. We must stand firm. But it's no wonder we are where we are

when we have a foreign secretary who literally said this. I'm afraid, as Caribbean people, we are not going to forget our history. We don't just want to hear an apology. We want reparation. Lammy and Stama are betraying the British people. And I have to be brutally honest here. King Charles didn't help.

He didn't help in Kenya last year saying slavery was a, quote, conversation whose time has come. Uh, why, your majesty? Your government ended it in 1833. And your current government insists we are now dead broke. Of course, this move will be celebrated by the dreadful, by the deceitful Prince Harry, by the awful Meghan Markle, who betrayed the legacy of the late Queen Elizabeth II by campaigning against the Commonwealth in their awful Netflix score-settling documentary, even though the late Queen Elizabeth II had given them the incredible role of trying to protect and preserve the Commonwealth. So shame on them. Shame on them for making this so much more difficult for Charles and William now.

And it's all the more ironic, isn't it, given they live off inheritances from actual members of the British royal family. Are you going to be paying personal reparations, Prince Harry? Because if so, I'd like to see you give that seven million you just got paid back. That seven million that came from the late Queen Mother. I'd rather send the Commonwealth a message though from my friend Alex Phillips, who published this brilliant open letter on X today. Let me read it to you. Dear our friends in the Caribbean, we've had a look at history and we can recommend that you

ask for reparations from Benin, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Cameroon, Chad, Nigeria, Ghana and Mali for capturing and selling slaves to Europeans. Meanwhile, given Britain led the way in ending slavery, spending an astonishing 40% of our entire national budget in 1833 to buy freedom for slaves and a further 2% of our GDP on the West African Squadron, which seized over 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 at a cost of 1,600 Royal Navy sailors, we would like you to thank us by offering to pay 40% of our annual budget this year and 2% of our GDP. That's £480 billion plus £11.4 billion.

We can settle for £450 billion if that's easier. We estimate this will be the size of Rachel Reeves' black hole next week. The invoice is in the post. Love, Britain. But instead, Starmer and Lammy will equivocate and eventually capitulate because that's what the woke really want to do destroy the west now it's time for the uncancelled interview and i am absolutely delighted today to be joined by two bombshells and they are quite literally bombshells host of the brilliant podcast bombshells. And they are quite literally bombshells. Host of the brilliant podcast Bombshells, which is available to subscribe on YouTube. Fleur Elizabeth and Amy Jemima.

So great to have you both here. So, Fleur, can you believe it? Starmer talked tough and then immediately a capitulation on reparations, which could have dire consequences for us historically. There are very few things that you can be certain of in life. But you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And, of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing every month.

With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for. Public Mobile. Different is calling. Oh, sorry, Fleur, we're just struggling to hear you Amy do you want to take that I'm back oh great you're back um yeah unfortunately I can believe it because the the nightmare that's been this government um nothing's a surprise anymore it's just every day you wake up and think well I'm starting to think how have my fellow citizens voted this government in? Thankfully, I do not take any blame for this. I didn't even vote in the election. So yeah, but

just ahead of the budget when we're going to have huge tax rises, and I already hate how my taxes are being spent. And for them to be spent on paying historical reparations is just absolutely insane. I know. And the thing is, obviously they lied, Amy, didn't they? They lied constantly during the campaign. However, we did know what they thought. People should have been sensible. I mean, there is Lammy literally saying we owe the Caribbean reparations.

And he's now foreign secretary. Oh, sorry, Amy, we're just losing you too. Hopefully we'll sort Amy's audio in one second. While we do that, though, this is what Richard Tice had to say about the reparations question. It's not a single penny in reparations. Because, look, the reality is, frankly, lots of other countries owe us. I mean, it is the Royal Navy and the British taxpayer that stopped the slave trade over many years, about 170, 200 years ago. And we should be we should be

thanked for that. Not then said you got to pay a bill. And there were vast legions of people along the way who made money out of the vile slave trade, including tribal leaders and rulers and kings in African countries. So let's just stop. Amy, go for it. Yes. I'm back. Great. Yeah um yeah well it's hardly a surprise seeing as the the tory party were seeming to be going down this route but um because labor was always so much more ideology ideologically invested in um things like CRT and other ideologies that you can list but it's just hardly a surprise that they were actually going to embed this stuff in law and it hasn't taken them very long.

I think Nigel Farage has been talking about this for so many years since, oh i think five years ago there was a big stink about um sort of returning um lands to um to um become independent outside of our commonwealth so um it's really if you're going to start to give away stuff to nations as a whole you've really got to start thinking about other countries that have in in uh sort of who are invested in those countries and have control over those so you'll just be um sort of giving everything back into things like china i think um so you're so you want to be thinking about where things are going to go how again how how will things get redistributed and to make other forces who aren't necessarily friendly um uh more powerful against us of course and the thing is it's such a slippery slope isn't it i'm just looking at allison pearson

my friend the daily telegraph columnist flora on x and she has just posted if the uk pays reparations for slavery, I will campaign for compensation for the descendants of British child laborers. My beloved grandfather went down the mine aged 12, like thousands of kids sent underground. He died early from lung cancer. Working class people did not benefit from white privilege. And of course, that is the reality, isn't it? If Britain were to be bankrupted today, it would be the working classes, the working people who suffered. Yeah, well, I think Farage was completely right. And I think Alison makes a very funny point there.

When does it stop? I mean, my ancestors came to the British Isles in 1575 because they were being persecuted for being Protestants in France. Am I asking the French for reparations? No, but you know, if we're going to do this crazy stuff, I might as well. I feel like I pay enough in taxes. I might just try and get some back from any source that I can. But yeah, when does it it stop we've got all through history different groups of people have wronged other different groups um and yeah the congo kings were selling their own citizens uh to the slave traders so yeah it's just it's so messy and also no one was there to say who was really at fault and no one alive today is responsible. So it's utterly insane.

But like I say, nothing surprises me anymore because I think everything that's happening right now is unbelievable and crazy. No, but we did pay, though. That's the thing. And what's so frustrating is this idea that we should be punished again, because let's just look at the actual facts here, Amy. So in 1833, we actually used 40 percent of our budget to buy the freedom of the slaves. Now, we had to borrow money to do that it was all agreed through the slavery abolition act and we didn't actually pay it off until 2014 so actually living british citizens today you and me and probably most people watching, have actually paid taxes to help end the slave trade already. Yeah, and this is another thing that you just can't really quantify.

So obviously, in the last 600, 700 years, there have been awful things. It's like, welcome to the planet, welcome to humanity. Surprise, bad things gonna happen um but if you look at things like the amount of work or development that britain um has has done for the rest of the world and we've led engineering, mathematics and literature in so many ways. We need to be proud. And in this industry. I mean, in all seriousness, where would the world be without the British Empire? Seriously. Yeah. And I think we're such a charitable country.

So if you were going to then quantify um to to to contradict this if you were going to um quantify all the charity and the development that we've been part of in the rest of the world well i'd like to see that money back i'd like to see our strategic development around the world um be rewarded too thank you very much um so you know there's there's trade-offs to be had um and i don't and obviously we're i'm so proud to be british less and less so now unfortunately but you know i'm still proud to be british of course but the thing is i think the reason you say less and less so now is because the people who are leading us are so clearly not proud to be British. They are so clearly embarrassed and ashamed of our history. Or David Lummey, who just stood up and called himself Caribbean.

Yes. Pick a side. Or Narendra Kerr, who yesterday said that she's bitter and resentful that her parents moved here from India and actually she'd want to go back I mean it's it's really shocking what's happening uh Fleur what do you what do you make of my uh little call to Prince Harry because remember Prince Harry and Meghan did cause genuine damage over this especially in the Caribbean like I know that we look at their Netflix documentary and think oh oh, you're pathetic.

Do you know what I mean? But in the Caribbean, it was actually embraced by politicians. They have gone to visit Jamaica. They are personally close to the Jamaican prime minister. Obviously, that's one of the countries who are leading the calls for reparations. Well, shouldn't Prince Harry, rather than spend the seven million pounds that he's just received from the late Queen Mother's inheritance, why doesn't he put that into slavery reparations personally? Yeah, put your money where your mouth is.

Yeah, I completely agree. I think if you are pro paying these reparations, dig into your pockets and pay it. But I know that I have nothing to do with it. And so I'd rather not. But it is very frustrating having Prince Harry, who has completely distanced himself from not only the royal family, but the UK, being this figurehead that other countries still see him as representing the UK and going across that.

And they think, oh, this the british perspective when it's not like they clearly hate this country that's why they've left and especially megan um so it's not right that he's he's taking on this role and being the the voice for for the british people when amy he's almost become a pin-up for the republican movement now, hasn't he? But again, it's so ironic given this is a guy who literally has had every privilege in life as a result of being a member of the British royal family. Well, I think you can't overestimate his intelligence on this one because you just... I never overestimate his intelligence, I promise you. Well, yeah, on the whole. But on this, I don't think he could do the mental gymnastics

to work out the irony for himself. And if he actually wants to recognise his own extent of privilege then I think he would not be barking at the rate he does he would be just keeping quiet about this, he'd be shutting up about this because you're so right he is like the biggest hypocrite in the world

and I think look, the thing is you don't want to over estimate the importance of Harry and Meghan but they had a direct impact, especially in the Caribbean. And the thing that makes me so upset about it is that the life's work of Queen Elizabeth II was establishing the Commonwealth. She gave them that special position to try and strengthen the Commonwealth bonds. And look at what they did. They trashed her. And it just makes me so angry.

But look, breaking right now, Rachel Thieves, the Chancellor, has been exposed as a CV smear merchant. Now, my view on this is if she's prepared to lie about her past, then surely she will also lie about the state of the economy. Here's what's gone down. Alex Armstrong posted, Rachel Reeves allegedly lied on her CV. Guido Forks has today claimed that the Chancellor has greatly exaggerated her position at HBOS. Reeves claimed she was an economist on her CV, but it

turns out she may have only worked in the complaints team. That was a small support unit which managed administration processes, IT matters and small projects. This comes as she has also been exposed for lying about being a chess champion when she actually placed 26th. So can you believe this? Let's look at the Guido Fawkes story itself because they have done God's work on this and they say Rachel Reeves makes a lot of her time working as an economist and she says that she moved to work at the Bank of Scotland she always uses this term economist but Guido actually spoke to colleagues of Reeves from her Bank of England days and one described her as having a reputation for being effing useless. Now she's constantly praised having an economist brain and she speaks of her time at HBOS in the midst of the financial

crisis. But Guido probed these claims after numerous former colleagues of Reeves got in touch to raise questions over her CV. So let's look at the CV. It's very, very clear. She states on her LinkedIn that she was working as an economist at HBOS. But Guido reports this is not true. Guido can reveal that Reeves worked in a mundane support department of the bank, according to multiple former colleagues. Within the Halifax HBOS complaints team, there was a small support unit which managed administration processes, IT matters, and small projects and planning. It was a team of three people far from the economics department. How do you believe this? And it gets worse, folks. It gets worse because Guido says Reves has a tendency to be selective about the truth when it comes to

her CV, her chess champion myth is also a falsehood. Now, Guido reached out to the Reeves team. They did not deny she did not work as an economist for the bank, but instead said she covered various areas using her economist background. So let me bring the bombshells back in now Fleur Elizabeth I mean given she's literally lying about the economy lying about the reasons for there being a black hole it seems quite significant to me that she lied this much on her CV and this is the sort of story Fleur that if we were talking about a conservative cabinet minister, certainly a conservative chancellor, it would be leading the MSM.

They would be obsessed with it. There would be calls for her to resign. But instead, because it's their girl, because it's their woman, Rachel Reeves, there's radio silence about her past, which she has clearly lied about. Yeah, I think you could say the same about Marianna Spring, who works as the misinformation girl at the BBC.

Where's she on this? Well, no, so she lied on her CV saying that she'd done, like, presented the Olympics or something. Not quite like that, but she lied on herv and then got this job as the misinformation girl um no you're right yeah you're completely right i remember that if it was this sort of alternative right-wing media and someone had lied about their background the eagles will be on them like ripping them to shreds um i think it's very funny this rachel reeve story because you know you'll get like people graduating from university maybe embellishing their cv a little bit um you know they might have been the dishwasher in a restaurant

but they'll put that they were a waiter but this is like she's the chancellor does she really need to be making stuff up to impress people at this point? I think what's unfortunate is she's clearly not as competent as we thought. Well, as some people thought. And people are always bigging her up. It's like, yes, the first female chancellor. Well, I would rather have a chancellor that's there on merit and because they're good at their job. And I'm absolutely dreading Wednesday for the the budget oh it's gonna be terrible it's gonna be absolutely

terrible um i have been enjoying although it's at midday pmqs um if it wasn't at midday i would definitely be doing a drinking game of every time they say 22 billion pound black hole take a shot but i would probably be on the floor and of course that 22 billion pound black hole take a shot but i would probably be on the floor and of course that 22 billion pound black hole they never mentioned the fact that a large deal of it is because they decided on these mega whopping above inflation pay rises for public sector workers including train drivers who are getting over 70,000 pounds now. They never talk about that, do they? But Amy, do you mind? I think this fundamentally, like for me, it's really serious. It shows that she is fundamentally a liar because I'm sorry, she's lying on the economy and now she's lying about her past. I mean, that's bad to have a chancellor who's a liar.

Yeah, that's kind of the take that I had when I first saw this story um to be honest the fact that she doesn't have these qualifications would make her just as qualified at her job as the rest of them um because none of them really are but it's not really about that to me here's the fact that she's lied and so why lie I just don't understand I think we've just come to accept that from our our politicians and it's just not good enough. And I just I don't get the whole lying thing, to be honest. I think she would be just she'd probably just get the job anyway, to be honest. Is that just me being naive? I don't know. Well, the thing is that we accept it from our politicians

who are on one side of the aisle, because it certainly was never accepted from Boris Johnson or from Rishi Sunak or actually from any conservative politician. Was it, Fleur? yeah no it's not just the conservatives I mean people will try and accuse them of it all the time but things like when Rupert Lowe said

that he was going to donate his salary to charity and everyone's on him like trying to verify it and looking at his all of his finances and trying to find any way to disprove it but then when rachel's lying about uh being an economist they're not even denying it they're just trying to sort of push it down um and hide it uh about the chess thing that is strange now i can't talk because i don't even know how to play

chess i don't but i don't but come on we're not lying about being chess champions when you came 26 i mean look she she's she's embarrassing i think she is embarrassing i think the problem with this labor cabinet is that they all feel they need to boost their qualifications because they have no qualifications. This is the ultimate Labour cabinet, a cabinet of union officials and public sector workers. Do you know not one senior cabinet member, Amy, has any business qualification whatsoever? Not one.

No, it doesn't surprise me. it doesn't surprise me it doesn't surprise me i think i think the whole it's hard it's hard because i can't see this ever happening but i think the whole system is um a time time again this isn't this is nothing new to say but it doesn't work. We don't have any trust in them because we know that they don't have any real qualifications to do real jobs. So I don't know what the answer is, Dan. The answer is we suffer. It's definitely worth thinking about. What's the other option? Sorry, I don't know if my internet's bad.

Yes, no, we've got you. The answer is we suffer, unfortunately, and that is a very, very terrifying answer. Now, well, sorry. Sorry, being an MP used to be a part-time job that people would go to after their job in the city. And so there weren't career politicians back then. We didn't have people who worked in diversity

and inclusion at a council, then becoming an MP like Absana Begum and getting a council house as an MP. So that's what it is. They're representing themselves and there's this cozy bubble and they'll talk about the old boys club on the other benches. as an MP. So that's what, that's what it is. They are, they're representing themselves and this is cozy bubble. And they'll talk about the old boys club on the other benches, but they're just as bad, if not worse,

like they don't have any expertise. They're just career politicians and they love everything that keeps them in their jobs and them in their bubbles. And it's this cozy world. And that's all that matters. Indeed. Breaking right now, the msm silence over keir starmer and his big secret grows by the day now can you believe after the way that they hounded boris johnson over his personal life hounded boris johnson's ex-wife hounded

boris johnson's current wife, that they seem to be taking, all of our major journalists seem to be taking a complete hands-off approach to the current leader of the country. Now they want us to forget that Keir Starmer put his personal life right at the heart of his justification for taking money to attend Taylor Swift concerts, for taking money for posh accommodation in Covent Garden. But there are some people who are prepared to talk about this story. And the first to break it was the Bombshells podcast. And we have, of course, Fleur Elizabeth and Amy Jemima with us today. And it was during

this interview with Guido Fork's boss, Paul Staines, that the information started to seep into the public domain. So we'll get their reaction and hear what they know in just a moment. But first, this is from the Bombshells podcast. Or are you under pressure legally not to reveal more? Well, you know, we've both been in the game a long time. You know the rules. If you can't stand it up completely, you can't run. Sorry, we went too early to that. We went too early to that.

We will come back very shortly to me and Paul Staines. But first, let's go and take a look at the bottom shelf. I will come back to it, but actually, let's have a look at me with Guido Forks. Or are you under pressure legally not to reveal more? Well, you know, we've both been in the game a long time, and you know the rules. If you can't stand it up completely, you can't run the story. So we have a name, as do the Mail and the Telegraph. We have a birth certificate. And people have been looking into it.

Journalists have contacted the family. So it's in play, and a lot of people do know it. Now here is the Bombshells interview. During the election campaign you were hinting a bit about, well Guido was hinting a bit about Kirstamma's personal life but... We never got the story to fly. Well no, more that no one else yeah well yeah but no one else was talking about this apart from guido is that because journalists and editors want to stay on the side of the incoming government like there was a bit of that and there was a bit

of you can't those type of stories you liable. Unless you've got a photographer outside at night time and in the morning, shall we say. So, it's very hard. Like I got him. Very hard to stand up. Yeah. You know, and just because everyone knows or everyone says doesn't mean. It's tough. So, we tried it from all different angles and people enjoy, as Lord Leveson said to me,

a mosaic of information. Yeah. Could put it together. And, you know, I think basically a lot of people knew what the mail and the telegraph were getting at when they were saying, where's Vicky? You know? Yeah.

And all that kind of stuff. Where's the ring? Truth is... Where's the ring? He is... Where's the ring? He's still not got it back on. Maybe he's just putting a bit of weight. You know, it happens. Maybe he's following Prince William.

He also doesn't wear a ring. Is that true? I don't wear a ring. Apparently it's the traditional thing to do. Well, I don't wear a watch, so... Me neither. traditional thing to do well it's i don't wear a watch so um i don't know uh i think i think uh that story isn't over yet that story isn't over yet you were on it first flora elizabeth and amy jemima can you tell us any more what do you know about what's going on and why is there the same as same silence the bombshells will not be dropping

any big bombshells there's rumors and you know with the people getting arrested for retweets i'm not i'm a bit scared to say anything uh too much but yeah you know what i hadn't even clocked until re-watching that that he specified unless you have journalists outside of the door in the morning and in the night shall we say that's that's interesting but yeah there's there's lots of rumors and um what matters is if anything behind these rumors is affecting his job and his role as prime minister that is when the public should know but the problem with having a lawyer a human rights lawyer as prime minister is he knows the game better than everyone else and he can push anything down um so that's why i think edo's been doing a good job of teasing people but you know no one wants to go to jail and to take care so yeah and that is the problem we've literally seen people go to jail uh for posting tweets or uh making

comments on facebook but the thing is amy it, isn't it? Because he was the one that did make his family part of the conversation because he took all of these gifts from Lord Ali, including, by the way, designer clothes for his wife. He took the Taylor Swift tickets. We have now seen just this week that Lord Ali broke the rules on at least four occasions. Again, the MSM don't seem to want to cover this because it's their guys and they want their guys to do well. But it was actually Starmer that made this a public conversation because he was the one that brought his family into it. Well, I think what Fleur said about him being a barrister and him understanding libel laws

as really tricky because the libel laws, even though he has brought his family into the public domain, I mean, in my opinion, it should be sort of the public domain anyway, because he is the Prime Minister. And when you have something that is going to affect your policies, like perhaps trans and ideology being embedded in the family, often you'll find that if you've got a friend or a family member with that kind of ideology around you and you find it personally difficult to sort of step away from it or separate yourself from it, you'll find it embeds in the work around that person. And it's very difficult to get that out of your, I don't know, the kind of the rules and the policies that you're embedding of course and i mean again there's rank hypocrisy on this from the left because

the left certainly believe that when it comes to their enemies so boris johnson in the uk and donald trump in the us that every single part of their private life is completely relevant. And so for me, a lot of this is about hypocrisy. If we had a rule that the private lives of politicians and public figures were off limits altogether, okay, maybe I'd accept that. But we don't. We can't have a mainstream media that only targets right-wing politicians because of their personal life. The thing that I find so shocking too, though, is that it's like an inside joke. All of Westminster are talking about it. And I find it really unsavoury.

I mean, I'm certainly an outsider. I don't want to be part of the Westminster elite. But I find it really disturbing that they all joke about something and the public don't know and it got to the point where starmer even made a joke about it referring to temptations during pmq watch this prime minister well i'm not sure just at the moment going to something that's labeled temptations is uh quite where I need to go. Now, to me, Fleur, I'm like, that is such frump to think that you are so protected that no one is going to come to you that you are going to joke about temptations in PMQs when there are all of these rumors. And we saw it earlier from what Paul Steyn said to me about the shape of Keir Starmer's family and all of these rumours, and we saw it earlier from what Paul Staines said to me

about the shape of Keir Starmer's family and all of that. I just couldn't believe it. And again, it was only me and GB News that even covered that answer. The rest of the mainstream media just didn't even talk about that answer whatsoever. Yeah, I didn't register that either. I thought he was talking about the band

the temptations but let's just just the thing is dawn butler was talking about the fact that the that a temptations tribute band were going to be playing at a black history month event and everyone in the house of commons started laughing because obviously the name of the band Temptations was quite odd. And that's when Starmer then said, oh, I shouldn't be talking about Temptations. It was all like a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge. We know what's going on here. Let's have a laugh about it. I mean, I wouldn't say that there have been problems in your marriage.

It's a laughing matter anyway, Amy, would you? No, and I think it's definitely in the public interest. I do find it a little bit disturbing that so many people do know, like Guido said himself, it's an open secret and Isabel Oakeshott's discussed this as being quite a broadly known thing. Yes. discussed this as being quite a broadly known thing yes so um and how is it not in the public interest to know something like this and what possibly could be informing um policies and i think i think um these kind of things um they i do think they should be in the public interest but obviously the libel laws are so um so restricted that actually it's not really

worth running with a public interest defense anymore no indeed no indeed now look breaking right now itv or woke itv as i call it has been criticized for apparently breaking its own diversity guidelines. Now, you remember there was a lot of controversy a couple of years ago when ITV was criticized for putting certain lineups of presenters, including the loose women panel, that were all white. And as a result, they pledged that they were going to increase diversity across their shows. And I was actually working at ITV at that time, and I know for a fact that lots of presenters were told,

you are going to lose shifts because we are now engaging in positive discrimination, which some people think is okay. But today, Loose Women, and it was Charlene White, the ITV News presenter who posted this picture to clearly make a point, and she said that, we'll see you in 10 minutes, but of course, the underlining message from the picture is that the entire lineup of Loose women were all black women. So there was Charlene White, there was Brenda Edwards, the former singer, there was Judy Love, the comedian who competed on Strictly Come Dancing, and there was Kelly Bryan, the former Eternal singer. Now I've actually spoken to people behind the scenes at ITV who say, this is not true diversity at all. These are all four middle-class black women who live in London, who have a similar cultural history. There's no white

woman, but there's also no Asian woman, for example, on the panel. And we know that there are more Asian women than black women in the UK. So let me bring the bombshells back in now, Fleur Elizabeth and Amy Jemima. This is a really interesting one, isn't it? Because ITV clearly think, well, for years and years and years, we put lots of white faces on TV. So we want to make a point here. We want to say, here is the all black panel. But Fleur, I would argue that if you have a problem with there being an all white panel why do you also not have a problem with there being an all black panel especially given that the percentage of black people in the uk is under 10 percent

yeah it's very frustrating and i really really hate positive discrimination um it's in every single industry um and it's it's just it is racist if you are excluding people because of their skin color if this panel of all white or all black women is there because they are the best at their job and they're the most talented and they are the most entertaining great but if you're doing it to make a point then that's that's just wrong and like you said i was actually thinking this earlier today um because there is a i believe she's chinese mp called yuan and i was thinking how rare it is to see an East Asian politician and when we had the new government come in there were pictures of like look at all of these new black MPs I think Dawn Butler posted one celebrating our black excellence or something why don't we see that with with

East Asian MPs and you know if a white MP died saying, look at our white excellence. Well, that's the thing. They would be sacked. They would be sacked. They would literally be cancelled from polite society. And I, the problem for me, Amy, is I grew up, you know, I'm a little bit older than you. And I grew up in the era of let's embrace colorblindness and i'm still do i i don't give a damn what color you are but i just think there should be equality on all of

these things and to me diversity means matching the population and of course we are still a majority white country but as fleur says amy it does always feel like there's a particular focus on black Afro-Caribbean heritage people. And that is not diversity either. If Loose Women was going to have true diversity, surely there should be an Asian person on that panel too. And of course, a white person. Yeah, I completely agree um with with loose women and itv i remember back in the day when it was like really fun i i still watch it back today loose women 2008 no 2007 to 2011 those were the like golden years where they won awards and loose women was watched by basically

all women in the uk i'm fairly certain but now they've just had their foot on the gas with destroying their viewing figures is it i'm fairly certain that is right though dan isn't it because 100 it's like it's crashed But it's like the go woke, go broke thing. I mean, by the way, I couldn't agree more. And I'm obviously not a woman,

but I loved loose women over that period. It was on PC. It was great fun. It was the days of Carol McGiffin, Denise Walsh. Oh, my favorite. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Carol, Carol's amazing. And, and, and Linda Bellingham, the late great Linda Bellingham, Jane MacDonald, Kate Thornton, they were real mates and they really had fun. And the problem is I was working at ITV through all of that time.

I did 10 years at ITV daytime working on the Lorraine show between 2009 and 2019. And I literally watched as the woke mind virus infiltrated that building. And you were completely right. I mean, what they did is they removed all of the fun from Loose Women. And they said, we're going to be serious. We're going to talk about woke issues. We're going to have, you know, have to have a disabled person on the panel this week. And as soon as you put identity politics ahead of talent or ahead of

enjoyment that's when you ruin the entertainment industry so yeah i think no one should watch itv i don't it's awful awful yeah no i agree i mean back then it felt like real life if you want to be representative of everyone because of the the majority of the British public, forget race, forget everything. They really did come from all sorts back then. And most of them were white, but nobody was thinking about that. Nobody was thinking about the colour of their skin or anything. People were just enjoying the stuff they had to say, their disagreements, their stories. And and honestly they did feel like real life if you want to be representative of other people today but um yeah like nowadays everyone looks so serious totally and the thing is every now and then in the entertainment industry uh you do have groups

of people that uh migrate around a particular ethnicity. Not always, but for example, look at the UK's biggest boy bands, take that and the Beatles. But then also look at Destiny's Child in the US. Look at the So Solid Crew. Look at all of the K-pop bands. Not every single piece of entertainment has to be diverse. Sometimes it's actually fine to watch people from a particular ethnic group. And I think the issue is that ITV now overthinks everything. Yeah. Well, look at the Olympics. Is anyone complaining that the majority of the track athletes were black? Of course not.

No. And also, would we ever go to India and complain that the panels on their show are only Indian people with brown skin? No, we wouldn't do that. It's just, it's this obsession. I tend to think that it is not a popular sort of criticism with the viewership. People watching daytime TV are not watching this and thinking, gosh, why am I not represented on there? You know, if I was watching Loose Women, I'm not thinking, why is there not somebody from the northeast on there why is there not somebody with my hair color my eye color just sit back relax you're watching daytime tv that's what it's for it's not that deep exactly have fun yeah sorry dan

yes come in can i just say um i wonder what's going on in their minds. The people, the women that they've got, who they've sort of rolled out to be the front faces for whatever quota reasons to make sure everyone is of a certain race. What's going on in their minds? Because I know from personal experience, and when I've worked in male-dominated areas, getting jobs that I've been really proud of,

I really, really thought that I'd got that. And I really hope I did get it on merit. But when I found out that there was a quota that was incentivising hiring females, my whole kind of morale was crushed. Yeah. Yeah. I was crushed because I was, my whole kind of morale was crushed. Yeah. It was, yeah. I was crushed because I thought, am I, what?

And people looking at me thinking I'm only here because of my gender, sex rather. But yeah, I wonder what's in their minds. Totally. Well, I think it depends. But certainly when it comes to Charlene White, she's an activist. Charlene White is one of those activists and she loves it. She thinks it's great. So a lot of this has been driven by people like her. dying debate with Esther Ranson lashing out at the health secretary, Wes Streeting, for his decision

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Whereas Wes, you know, he's the health secretary. He knows what the state of the NHS is. And he has said that palliative care and the nhs are not in the right state in this country to bring this in right now even though he is personally supportive of um the principle of assisted suicide but esther just sees what she wants and she wants the choice to end her life how and when she wants it and I'm sure she is mentally competent enough to do that she's said that she's joined Dignitas but what that doesn't account for is how many people may not be mentally competent may not be coerced may not have access to high quality palliative care and all of these things that you can't properly safeguard against um don't apply to her so

she's looking at it through a very narrow uh vision but i really respect Wes for changing his stance on it. Like he voted for it in 2015, but he's got the guts to say, I've changed my mind and I'm looking at the state of things in this country and now it's not the right time to do this. And it's so important. I mean, there's not, I mean, look, you're much closer to it, Fleur, but I just can't see there's any way this is going to pass now that Wes Streetsinghouse says, look, the I just can't see there's any way this is going to pass now that Wes Streetson has

says look the NHS clearly can't cope. Amy I have a bit of an issue with the Esther Ransom thing though because I don't know if you remember this but I'll play it to you she appeared on my GB News show during the COVID pandemic my former GB News show I should say during the COVID pandemic and made it clear that she wanted the NHS to deny life-saving treatment to anyone who would not be vaccinated with the COVID jab. So I'll get your reaction in just a moment, but this is a reminder of what she said at the time. A vaccine or a booster, then you can decide not to go to hospital however ill you get. And that way, that is your right. So you would leave the unjabbed at home to die if they had a heart attack, if they suffered from a stroke? That's their choice. If they're unjabbed,

if they take the decision, they're not going to use the medical evidence, follow the science, as we say recognize because what the boosters do is not only protect you they protect other people because you transmit the infection far less although you can still transmit even if you are triple j so amy i just find given that previous position it's very odd that care starmer has put her on some sort of moral pedestal and said, I'm delivering this vote for Esther Anson, given Esther Anson wanted to deny life-saving treatment to people who wouldn't follow her view on the COVID jab. It is utterly self-centred. It's such a spoiled, self-centred way of looking at things and like Fleur said I'm very proud that Wes has actually been quite courageous with this because I think we can all think of a time or a personal

moment where we've known someone that could do with assisted dying but has had to go through with it the a normal way because it's not available but when you step back and look at the bigger picture you can understand that it is it is it is important that we keep the laws that we have around assisted dying um for the for the benefit of the more vulnerable vulnerable people who could have been um it used against in a very similar way as you're seeing in Canada. Well, indeed. And it's really important that you mention that, actually, Amy, because I've got this video from Stephen Edgington of GB News who interviewed a disabled woman in Canada who said that she was actually offered youth and age. So this is the problem.

And it's why a lot of high profile disabled people are saying, no, no, no, no, this could be used against us. So have a look at this. You're not going to give me the equipment we need to live, but you're just going to help us die? Like, what is this? I served 10 years with Canadian Armed Forces and then 10 years as a para-athlete for Canada.

And as I am waiting for medical equipment and an elevator for my house to be able to transfer, it's been over six years now. It's still not there. And the agent reading my file told me one day when I told him on the phone that I just I just couldn't go on anymore it was just you know unbearable and it's just too hard and he told me you know if you really think you cannot keep going on and you find it's too hard you know you have the right to die so there I am fighting all this time to trying to just get the proper equipment

to just want to be able to live a life with the minimal of autonomy and independence. You know, I understand I have still all these limitations, but, you know, it's ridiculous because from the states of things i could probably be dead in two weeks well i mean an absolutely heart-rending interview there from stephen edgington and you can understand why tally gray thompson for example has come out against the assisted dying legislation yeah the first time I watched that interview with Stephen Edgington, I was crying because this is a veteran, this is a Paralympian,

this is someone who has done amazing things with her life. And just so easily a doctor will say, a doctor who takes an oath to protect life will say to her, you can die. You can die in two weeks. And, you know, in certain circumstances in Canada it can be 48 hours so it's it's just what value do we put on human life at this point when you know what is it a chairlift or death that's it that's your choice um obviously our NHS is is in a shocking state and how quickly

is it in Canada it was five years before it was taken from terminally ill only to what they've got now and just the slippery slope is slippery and steep but there's heartbreaking stories

no indeed and we have to care about the sanctity of life well look we've covered it all today thank you bombshells Fleur Elizabeth Amy Jemima uh their brilliant podcast which features interviews with the likes of Guido Fawkes the aforementioned uh Stephen Edgington and Toby Young is available now on YouTube great to have you both on Outspoken today. It's been a pleasure. Thank you, Adam. Thank you, guys.

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