Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE IS SECRET CULT LEADER CLAIMS AXED REFORM UK COUNCILLOR IN BOMBSHELL INTERVIEW

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

MANSCAPED - Grab The Chairman™ Pro for 15% OFF with code OUTSPOKEN at Manscaped.com Breaking right now: A US/UK VE Day trade deal. But Katie Hopkins isn’t impressed with how Slippery Starmer is using this moment to present himself as a statesman. We’ll analyse. And as the Reform UK civil war refuses to calm down, we’ll hear from Donna Edmunds, who has quit the party claiming it’s a cult. She joins the Superstar Panel today alongside our returning favourite Jasmine Birtles, the founder of Money Magpie and a contributor to News Uncut. PLUS: The truth about the Southport Riots has finally been revealed – and it’s exactly what Dan told you at the time. AND: Starmer’s big secret about his secret family is now being openly joked about in PMQs by MPs. Isn’t it time for one of them to share what they know with the public? THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince Harry’s closest friends have issued a blistering attack on the Sussexes after the Duke’s insane BBC interview. We’ll analyse the unfiltered broadside with royal YouTube sensation According2Taz. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and get more playoff action with north america's number one sports book please play responsibly 19 plus and physically located in ontario if you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you please contact connects ontario 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge no spin no bias no censorship i'm Dan Wootton. This is Outspoken Live episode number 222. And it's VE Day. So of course today I think of my grandparents, who I spoke about earlier in the week, and the millions of other brave young Brits who put their liberty and safety aside to fight for the West, resulting in victory against Hitler and Nazi Germany exactly 80 years ago with this historic announcement. The Prime Minister, the Right Honourable Winston Churchill.

Yesterday morning at 2.41am at General Eisenhower's headquarters, General Jodl, the representative of the German high command, and of Grand Admiral Dönitz, the designated surrender of all German land, sea, and air forces in Europe to the Allied Expeditionary Forces and simultaneously to the Soviet High Command. Hostilities will end officially at one minute after midnight tonight, Tuesday the 8th of May. But in the interest of saving lives, the ceasefire began yesterday to be sounded along all the fronts.

And our dear Channel Islands are also to be freed today. The German war is therefore at an end. Churchill went on. We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing, but let us not forget for a moment the toil and efforts that lie ahead. But I just wanted to share with you some of the images of England on that day. These pictures were filmed by an off-duty policeman. And this is what we were fighting for, right? This is the England that we remember and that we love. And I do worry that our ancestors would be horrified by the current state of the country.

But when we still have a country to fight for, there is still a fight on. So let's keep the fight going right here. And breaking right now, a US-UK VE Day trade deal. This morning, I'm thrilled to announce that we have reached a breakthrough trade deal with the United Kingdom, a credible country. Today is a victory day for World War II. We won the war together exactly 80 years ago, so there could be no more perfect morning to reach this historic agreement. And it's beautiful weather out. I will tell you that, Keir. Beautiful weather. It's so perfect now. It's not bad here either, Donald. It's not bad here either. Unfortunately, though, breaking in the last hour, disappointing news. There is no free speech provisions attached to the deal as the vice president, J.D. Vance, had been pushing for. I'm going to show you Trump's confirmation of that

very shortly. Let me tell you, Katie Hopkins isn't impressed with how Slippery Starmer is using the moment to present himself as a statesman. We'll analyse all of that. And as the Reform UK civil war refuses to calm down, we'll hear from Donna Edmonds, who has quit the party, claiming it's a cult. She joins the superstar panel today, alongside our returning favourite Jasmine Bertels, the founder of Money Magpie and a contributor to News Uncut on Substack. Also coming up on the show today, the truth about the Southport riots has finally been revealed. And guess what? No surprises. It's exactly what I told you at the time. And Starmer's big secret about his secret family now being openly joked about in PMQs by MPs.

Isn't it time for one of them to share what they know with the public? And he told me he's heard a rumour about the Prime Minister. Not that one, not that one. He's heard that there is a reason why... Then, in the uncancelled after show on Substack,

Prince Harry's closest friends have issued a blistering attack on the Sussexes after the Duke's insane BBC interview. We're going to analyse that unfiltered broadside with royal YouTube sensation, according to Taz. Please do sign up to watch www.outspoken.live. And of course, it is the last greatest British and Union jackass of the week. Tomorrow, we'll name the worst Britain in the world this week, where the four Union Jackasses go head to head. But before then, you have one more decision to make.

Here are your nominees. Kit Malthouse, the Tory MP nominated by Michael Cass, who says Tory MPs and peers break ranks to call for recognition of Palestine. Not exactly a vote winner, is it, for the Dories? Narendra Kerr, nominated by Darren Donaldson because she never takes a break from race baiting, even on the 80th anniversary of VE Day. Shameful. Now, this is because Narendra posted on X,

did they ask the same of the millions of Indian and Pakistani soldiers that fought and died for Britain during both World War II? And she's referring to the fact that there's going to be pressure, quite rightly, on migrants to have to be fluent in English if they want to be able to stay and work in the UK. And Ed Davey, you saw him there nominated by Thomas Williams for saying that Trump would lose a fight with Paddington Bear and Bridget Jones. Okay, get choosy. And let me know your comments throughout the show. I will read out the best. I'll also name today's Greatest Britain too. But now, let's go.

So on the surface, the good news for Nigel Farage and Reform UK is currently coming in droves. So no wonder the MSM is in full on panic and destroy mode. Farage is now every bookmaker's favourite to be the next PM. And to be honest, there are far better judge than the losers in Westminster, given the bookies have to put their money where their mouth is. And another bombshell poll today shows Reform UK posed to seize control of Wales at the Senate election in just a year if this astonishing trend from YouGov continues. Now, you know I've always been clear I'm a critical friend to Reform UK, someone who voted for them but wants to ensure they don't continue this horrible tack to the centre, becoming just another Tory-lite

establishment party opposed to making the big decisions required on issues like mass deportations and the NHS. Now, its leadership, especially the ego-mad Chairman Zia Youssef, who reported Rupert Lowe to the cops for hurty words, doesn't like that, however. But they should be careful what they wish for, because I would argue the party's real enemies are in the MSM. The MSM, who they have been so desperate to win over, but are now going for the kill. So the latest hysteria is over a perfectly reasonable post on X from the new Reform UK Accrington North councillor on the Lancashire County Council, Joel Tetlow, who wrote alongside a picture of Hitler and Nazi generals looking at war plans.

Why don't we invade them slowly? A few boats at a time. Don't be stupid. That will never work. Now, with his post on X, he added, let's be grateful this idea was never put to him or the world as we know it would be a whole lot different. So, of course, cue hysteria, sly news saying that the guy should be suspended, the British bashing corporation pushing for exactly the same thing. But as Carl Benjamin pointed out, the BBC have buried the lead here. The man posted an anti-Hitler post and compared the channel invasion to the Nazis, but that didn't stop the desperate Labour MP Chris Webb purposefully misrepresenting the meaning of the post to attempt further warfare against Hitler, writing dishonestly,

this is not just acceptable, it is an affront to the values we hold dear. Such behaviour is a flagrant violation of the Councillor Code of Conduct and undermines the trust placed in public officials. There is no room for hate or extremism in our political discourse and we must unequivocally condemn this conduct. I call upon Joel Tetlow to immediately delete this offensive comment and urge Reform UK to take divisive action by suspending him immediately. Representatives Insane. Absolutely insane. Because there is an invasion of our country via the southern border. And I totally agree with the point that he was making. But of course, that hysteria from reform's real enemies, their real enemies, Labour and the MSM, saw Tetlow bullied into deleting his tweet.

Although at this point, Reform UK hasn't suspended him, despite a very obvious purge going on of other Reform UK councillors with perfectly sound views. That saw this headline from former Reform candidate at the general election, Richard Thompson, in the Express, who wrote, Nigel Farage's cowardice and ego is slapping betrayed Britons in the face all over again. The Reform UK leader talks tough on the biggest issues of our time, but where is the delivery? And there was this broadside too from ex-Reform MP Rupert Lowe on mass deportation, where, by the way, he is increasingly receiving support from the Tories of his plan, who posted,

I will take no politician or political party moaning about illegal immigration seriously unless they commit to deporting every single illegal migrant both arriving and currently living in the UK. It is really not that complicated to say they all need to go home. But no reform renegade has caused more trouble for the party than Donna Edmonds, a brilliant woman who is the founder of the National Archive for the Survivors of Grooming Gangs and a regional director for the excellent Great British Pack. But she has described the party as a Nigel Farage cult and accused the leader of treating its members with contempt. In a statement, she said, I thought I was joining a party. It turned out I had joined a political cult, adding

reform absolutely is a cult of personality at war with its own grassroots, complete madness. This is the last thing the country needs right now. We need a strong party on the right that can actually deliver, not the cult of Nigel Farage. Now, as you can imagine, and loads of outspoken viewers are divided on this, it has prompted fury from the Faragists within reform, like Lee Hurst, who counted on X. She is working straight out of the Rupert Lowe playbook. I hope he and her will be very happy together, being as she posted that she would defect the moment he sets up a party, which led to her suspension. I suppose the usual suspects will leap to her defense and ignore the fact that she is out because she planned treachery in plain sight and was suspended for it. Good riddance to it.

Well, as the Reform UK civil war deepens, I'm delighted to say that to respond in her first interview, Donna Edmonds joins the superstar panel today alongside the brilliant Jasmine Birtles, the founder of Money Magpie and a contributor to News Uncut. So, Donna Edmonds, Lee Hurst and lots of the Faragas within Reform UK are not happy with you at all. What about the people who say, well, actually, maybe we need a personality cult? Like, is MAGA in the US with Donald Trump not a personality cult? Maybe the cult of Nigel Farage is what's certainly hasn't so far. In fact, all he's

really done is mess up two perfectly good parties and is about to mess up a third. So, you know, it's fine to have, you know, a strong following, a strong personal following if you're actually delivering on what you say you're going to deliver on. But there's no point creating a party that's really just a vehicle for one man to, you know, achieve his ambitions of getting into Downing Street. That's not what I got into politics for. That's not what any of my voters voted for. And it's going to it's going to cause the party to, you know, blow up. And so you say Nigel has betrayed the members of Reform UK. How specifically has he done that? Well, he has made the party all about himself. So one of the things that I was not happy about, and many people were not happy about, was the fact

that our leaflets, you know, said much more about Nigel. They had his face all over them. We, the candidates, were sort of relegated to a small corner of the leaflet. Now, I've always believed, and I still believe, that, you know, we live in a representative democracy. You're meant to be voting for the candidate, not for the party. Farage has flipped that. You're voting for Farage and not for the candidate. He's essentially, you know, in the same way

as Labour completely smashed our democracy by putting in all sorts of very, very, you know, policies that actually broke our system. He's adding to that, because what he's doing is he's, again, moving voters away from voting for their actual representative and into voting for, you know, the party, the shine, the brand, the man. We don't live in a presidential system. We don't live in that kind of, you know, American style democracy. We actually have a very strong, you know, storied history of our own. We pretty much invented modern democracy. And he's destroying that with playing these silly games. How did you feel when Zia Youssef, the chairman of Reform UK, reported Rupert Lowe to the policePS, meaning that there's at least a chance of a criminal charge, although Rupert's team say this is usual standard practice if you're dealing with

an MP. I'm shocked by that because I've had lots of death threats that the police have ignored because they say there is no obvious threat to your life. Now, no one can tell me that Rupert Lowe posts an obvious threat to the life of Zia Youssef. How difficult was that moment within the party? Because for me, that's when I noticed everything changed. Yeah, absolutely. And I, you know, I can tell you that I was furious. Pretty much everyone I know in the party was absolutely furious. Again, you know, we joined reform because we wanted a really strong alternative to what we've already got with Labour and the Conservatives. And by playing these silly games, these silly Westminster games, everybody backbiting, everybody, you know, reporting each other and all the rest of it,

it just, it's, reform is essentially becoming a third wing of the Uniparty. And that's not its purpose. It's not its mandate. You know, that's not what people are voting for when they vote reform. So why why bother with it? This is this is my problem, really. That is such a concern. That is such a concern to me, Jasmine Bertels, because here is the fundamental issue, right? We need a party that is going to create real change. Now, I think maybe that could still be Reform UK, but there are some really worrying signs, Jasmine, of like this slow tack to the centre. And of course, the biggest issue that I'm concerned about is mass deportations of the two million illegals that are already here, which Nigel Farage said was impossible,

seems to have done a slight U-turn on that since. But Jasmine, what about NHS reform, which has been a great passion of Nigel Farage's career, a great passion of Anne Widdicombe's career, who's in there as one of the senior spokespeople of Reform UK. Zia Youssef is just throwing that out the window because clearly he's too worried about polling showing that it's unpopular. It's like we have to have some unpopular decisions or this country is going to be not only destroyed from a cultural perspective, but destroyed economically. Yeah, so much to unpick there. I do. This is, I would say, the fundamental problem of politics, that people go into politics with very definite views, quite often genuinely wanting to make a good difference, to change the world, to do this, if they say 100% what they believe. And, you know, the vast mass of voters are kind of sort of somewhere vaguely towards the centre, left centre, right centre. So then the question is, OK, how do we kind of hang on to what we basically believe in,

but don't say it too loudly so that we can get the votes in. Because, you know, there again, do you get voted in or do you just stick with your principles? And, you know, there are good reasons to do either of those. And it sounds to me like Farage and Youssef are trying to kind of go somewhere in between both of those, keeping one foot in the principles, but at the same time getting a few toes into the let's get some more votes and let's not be thrown out this time. It's a tightrope that they're walking. And one of the reasons why I'm personally not an MP,

I can't do that. No, indeed. I mean, look, the problem is you can look at this from loads of points of view, can't you? Which is that in some ways you have to think, OK, who is the most likely to create change? And at the moment, you could say Nigel Farage is the most likely. However, at the same time, sometimes morals have to come first. And I think what Nigel said, for example, on GB News, in regards to Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe, when he had the first chance post the election to try and bring the right together. And remembering he also attacked

GB News itself and Tommy Robinson and Tommy Robinson supporters as the alt-right, which is actually a white nationalist slur, which is quite something. I just worry that actually he has no intention of doing that. It's almost like he specifically wants to purge himself of people on the right, whereas I actually think we should be celebrating people on the right. But in case you missed it, this is what he said. Would you have him back now in the party? We've put low after all of this. Ben Habib, is there a way back for Ben?

Over my dead body. Well, he wrote a piece saying you didn't deserve your victory. Did you see it? I mean, I'm sorry, you get these small, very insignificant people... Say what you think, Nigel. ..who think they're more important than they are. They're frankly nothings. There you are.

Yeah. I don't mind people sounding off. I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I never have done. As long as there's some fundamental underlying loyalty. And that's the one thing I demand. Don, how did you feel about that? And do you think it's a fair point for him to say,

look, as a party leader, you need a degree of loyalty? I mean, Donald Trump, for example, sacked loads of people who did not give him undying loyalty. Loyalty, yes. Oh, sorry. Sorry, Donna. Sorry, I was gonna, yeah, loyalty goes both ways, is what I would say to that. I mean, you know, I think the party, everybody I know who's in the party really just wants to get let's maybe, you know, play this a little bit better with the party itself, you know, manage the party better itself. You know, if he wanted to instil loyalty, I'm sure there would be a lot of people who would be loyal. But what's actually happening in the party is that whole branches are being purged. You know, perfectly good candidates are being replaced by people parachuted in. We have had all this from the other parties for so many years. Everyone's sick of it. No one wants to play that game anymore. This is not what reform is meant to be. And he's throwing

it away. You know, he's throwing away the loyalty that a lot of people would have had for him. There's a lot of goodwill out there and he's just completely burnt it to a crisp. Yeah, it's a big shame because, as you say, loyalty is really, really important, particularly with a growing brand, as it were. And that's how one sees reform. I'm very disappointed by the language and the ungraciousness of describing somebody as insignificant. One should never do that. However unpleasant, you know, whatever you consider the criticisms to be. I think that's a very poor show and that's a very poor show, particularly from a leader. We want we need grace. We need graciousness in public life. And we've lost much of that over the last few days. I totally agree. I guess the counter to this, and I'm just looking

at a brand new poll from Find Out Now, which shows Reform UK surging to its biggest lead with 33% of the vote. Labor is on 20% of the vote. The Conservatives, 16%. The Lib Dems on 15%. The Greens on 11%. So I imagine what Nigel Farage would be saying to you, Donna, was, well, I'm sorry, we're at 30% and that's what we need. And maybe we don't need you.

And that's really upsetting for me, of course, but he would argue this is why the tack to the centre has happened. I think he's playing a very dangerous game because, you know, yeah, there's 30% out there. I would say that's 30% of the country who is desperate for change. They are absolutely crying out for somebody who's going to be a champion of the people. And as I keep saying, it's his to lose. He has that polling. There's a lot of goodwill

out in there in the country. A lot of people want real change and a real alternative to the Conservatives and the Tories, sorry, and Labour. And if he picks up that baton and runs with it, that election is his to win but he won't win it if he starts to stab good people in the back if he starts to bad mouth you know to perfectly decent people who just want the country to be a better place to live uh and i i honestly don't know why he's doing it i mean it's the most ludicrous strategy you know if you've got a strong poll you've got a country that's desperate for you and you've got a whole team of players who are like, great, let's get out there. What can we do with this? Why on earth would you start going to war with your own grassroots?

It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, true. And I think the problem in a way that we have here is that Nigel himself is the biggest brand. I know, I mean, I know you've had June Slater on the programme, Dan, and June talks to people outside supermarkets. And she says, you know, who do you recognise out of this list? And Nigel Farage is one of them. We've got Ben Habib and maybe a couple of others. And everybody says Nigel Farage. So as far as the voters are concerned, Nigel literally is reform. Just because you know him, it doesn't mean you like him. Oh, no, no, a lot of them don't.

Yes, that's very true. Very good point. Very, very good point. I'm going to interrupt because breaking right now, major news out of Vatican City. Let's look at this scene from moments ago as the papal conclave is convening. And if we just go to the shot, you will see white smoke has just emerged, which means a new pope has been elected. If we take the live shot at the moment from Vatican City, we are awaiting the new pope entering on the balcony. So this is actually a very exciting moment.

We had had the black smoke emerging earlier in the balcony. So this is actually a very exciting moment. We had had the black smoke emerging earlier in the day, because of course, there has to be a 75% majority for the new Pope. And now we await that election. That was not a long conclave, Jasmine Birtles. What do you make of it? Well, it's interesting because, you know, there's so much to consider with the papal vote because it's so much about politics. The last pope was very political, certainly, I would say, the wokest Pope we've had. And I wonder if the behind the scenes, they were saying, right, we're not going to have that anymore.

I'm, you know, it's quite possible that they got the idea of the mood of Europe, the mood of the West, particularly, which is increasingly anti-woke. So I wonder if they've just gone, right, enough. Like the electorate said, right, enough. Like the electorate said, enough, enough with that. We want someone straight down the line. It'll be really interesting to see if it is somebody who's like, you know, the anti-Pope Francis. And this is actually very interesting, the political angle to this. Look at this, Donna, from Dan Hodges, the Mail on Sunday political columnist.

White smoke is Downing Street's worst nightmare because, of course, that news of the US-UK VE Day trade deal, which we will be speaking about later in the show, has now been pushed totally off the news agenda as we await for the announcement of a new pope so more bad news for slippery starmer this quick conclave yeah it could well be i mean they're not that lucky with their uh timing actually on a lot of this stuff but to be honest their comms is so bad, it's probably doing them a favour. I mean, you know, I'm sure they've already messed up the India deal by sort of revealing that actually they're about to undercut everybody's jobs in the UK by not having Indians pay national insurance. I'm sure they'll somehow find a way to mess up the American trade deal. And, you know, it may be a little bit of heat off of them, won't be a bad thing for them after all. So we'll see. Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it? And where do you stand on which direction the Catholic Church should go down, Donna? Is there a need to return to traditional

values, which, for example, Father Calvin Robinson has been calling for on this show for some time. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that that plays in very much to this idea of a sense of British renewal as well. You know, Britain has a strong Christian heritage. We are a Christian country. You know, I went to school and we sang hymns and, you know, we did prayers and all the rest of it. That's fallen away. And you can see that as that's fallen away, the country itself has fallen away. So I do think that, you know, a strong return to a more muscular Christianity, a more muscular Catholicism. And actually, the Church of England could really take a leaf out of their book as well. And so to just see that, you know, all of this preaching of the Guardian in our churches on Sunday isn't isn't what we need.

We actually need, you know, a return to Christian values. And that's not you know, I mean, I probably don't have to sell Christian values on this show. But, you know, it means compassion and all the rest of it that the left love. But actual real compassion, not this sort of foe you know pretending to care for the weak when actually you're propping up the minorities and creating chaos so yeah it would be great to see um a pope that uh to actually upholds that and tries to undo some of this woke damage that's been done to the churches okay so let's just look once more at the moment that the white smoke emerged showing that the pope had been elected and you can see the crowd there oh let's listen that's a real moment isn't it the crowd of

catholics who had been gathered in vatican, absolutely delighted. So what we'll do is we'll keep an eye on what is going on in Vatican City. And who knows, maybe by the end of the show, we will have a new Pope. Well, we do have a new Pope. We may know the identity of the new hope. Breaking right now, Katie Hopkins has reacted in fury to Slippery Starmer, who has used VE Day to try and move away from all of the negative headlines by securing a trade deal with Donald Trump and the US. But the outspoken influencer posted on X, oh, do F off with your mincing little photo op, Keir Starmer. You couldn't fight your way out of a Primark bag in the rain. Ordinary Brits have

never been so shackled. Keir Starzy, you need to pack your bags, son. And of course, there had been a lot of hope, including from me, that this trade deal might put pressure on Starmer on the key issue of free speech. However, Trump has just been asked about that by the Daily Wire in the Oval Office, specifically referencing J.D. Vance. Remember, he had that Oval Office confrontation with Starmer over free speech in the United Kingdom, which we know does no longer exist. But unfortunately, the confirmation that this is a trade deal only. Here's what went down. Thank you. Mary Morgan Olihane with Daily Wire. I had a question about the UK deal today. I heard there was talk that part of the agreement

would depend on whether the UK would respect free speech and freedom of religion. I know the VP is really interested in that, talked about that earlier this year. Was there any assurances that you guys got on that front? The President You want to handle that? Mr. Yeah, that was not part of the conversation. Our conversation was an economic conversation from start to finish, closed by the president yesterday.

This was a business deal, open their markets and also protect their workers, grow our markets and help our workers. This was about business religion. Business is sort of a semi-religion, but not nearly as important. I don't want to get myself into it. So that's sad news. Donald Trump had posted on X the agreement with the United Kingdom is a full and comprehensive one

that will cement the relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom for many years to come. Because of our long-time history and allegiance together, it is a great honour to have the United Kingdom as our first announcement, many other deals which are in serious stage of negotiation to follow. Then there was a phone call

between Donald Trump and Keir Starmer, and this happened. We'll come back to that in just one moment. But of course, Jasmine Birtles, this is a moment for Keir Starmer nonetheless. Yes, it is. I mean, for a start, Trump said that he's removing the 25 percent tariff on UK steel and aluminium. That's good news for what's left of our steel and aluminium manufacturing. And also that the the lower car rate is going to be brought in as well, that a lot of cars are only going to have 10% tariff. Kemi Batanox says that we've been shafted. I mean, compared to Europe, for example, I think we've got away with it lightly. I said it when it was originally announced. And I think with this, we have got away with it lightly. I said it when it was originally announced. And I think with this, we have got away with it lightly. And if I were a European business, I mean, we'll wait and see what is announced about European countries.

But if I were in the EU, I would be seriously considering potentially moving my business to the UK to make the most of those tariffs. If I was doing a lot of business with America. I think it could be could potentially, I don't know, but it could potentially be really good for Britain. OK, let's have a look at that phone call. We've got it now between Trump and Starmer. Thank you very much. It's an honor. We're going to have a continued, maybe a better relationship than ever before. You know, I don't know if the media knows, but the U.S.

and U.K. have been working for years to try and make a deal, and it never quite got there. But it did with this Prime Minister. So I want to just congratulate you well with this president this prime minister we've managed to achieve what many people have tried to achieve for many years and i'm really pleased and it feels uh completely historic and and on a special 80-year anniversary as well so donald thank you so much it's really good to have got

this deal over the line tribute to both teams tribute to our countries and tribute to your leadership Donna is this really such drama sorry you broke up is this is this such a great victory for Stama no he's got lucky with this one to be honest I mean you know Trump loves the UK we know that he's got his golf courses up in Scotland. He's called us a big and highly respected country. You know, he they wanted to do this deal with us because the Americans happen to like like us. But the reality is, is that, you know, I mean, although this is what Brexit was for, so that we could look out to the rest of the world and start to make these deals with places like America, places like India also. The reality is, is that, you know, after 40 odd years within the European Union, we don't really have the expertise

in this country to actually thrash out deals of this type. And I think that, you know, if we if we have come out of this lightly, it's because the Americans like us and for really no other reason, because they could have run rings around us. You know, I mean, you've got the art of the deal guy running their country and we've got Starmer. So enough said, I think, on that one. Yeah, indeed. I mean, Jasmine, from a financial perspective, is this going to make any difference to what is a cratering low growth economy under Rachel from Accounts slippery Starmer? Well, absolutely. I think they will try and put all sorts of blame they have done already onto tariffs. But today, we saw that the interest rates have been brought down. The Bank of England is clearly worried about

recession. They're not so worried about inflation anymore. It's recession. There's a looming, very real chance of a recession. So they brought the interest rates down. Some of them wanted to bring it down by half a percent. It's come down by a quarter of a percent. But with the tax regime that we've got, and I'm a business person, I've spoken to other business people about this. Increasingly, it's pointless running a business. And I've also got readers, viewers who are getting in touch saying, I'm going to take early retirement or I'm going to stop being freelance. I'm not going to work so hard because why bother? I have to pay so much tax. Literally, I have people, I've had a few people saying, I've had enough. I'm 50 something. I'm just going to retire, even if it means that

I'm on less money, at least I won't have to pay so much tax. And when you have that kind of thinking, and that's happening all across the country, you haven't a hope of a proper economy. And certainly, you know, growth will be anemic at best, really. How bad is it for Stammer? If we just go back to these live scenes from Vatican City at the moment, because we are expecting the new Pope to emerge on the balcony at some point while we are on air. He has been chosen. How bad is this for Starmer from a PR perspective, Donna, given that literally he had that tiny window of media attention and all the analysis now is not going to be on the trade deal, but is going to be about the identity of the new Pope? Yeah, I mean, as I said earlier, he's just not got lucky. He doesn't

seem to be a particularly lucky guy in general, to be honest. I mean, I sort of almost almost feel bad for him because, you know, he just sort of bumbles around and makes all sorts of mistakes left, right and centre. And then it just gets, you know, it goes from bad to worse. But yeah, he could have had something with this trade deal, a really nice piece of good news. You know, as Jasmine has just said, the economy is tanking. The whole country is pretty demoralised. So it would have been nice for him, especially on VE Day, to be able to wave that British flag and, you know, show that he's sort of had a win. And now that's just sort of being pulled from under his feet, really.

So it's not great for him. But I mean, I think it's indicative of this whole Labour government that, you know, they just crash from calamity to calamity, don't they? So I think it's sort of in keeping with their leadership, frankly. Yes, I was amazed, you know, when they announced right at the start that they were going to remove the winter fuel payment from the retirees. It was just, to me, it was an entirely dumb PR move. They should have done some good things first, in particular, some moves that would show that they were on the side of British people, not just on the side of people coming into the country, because that is very much where they seem to keep positioning themselves, even though it's blatantly obvious that that's extremely unpopular. So first of all, they took

money away from pensioners. And then they said, oh, we're going to give money to this net zero project in abroad somewhere, you know, we're going to give 10 billion to various countries abroad to help them with their net zero projects. And you're thinking, what? Ed Miliband comes up, says we're going to spend 22 billion on carbon capture. And this is after they've been boring on about the 22 billion pound hole that the Tories left them. And it just it's just so unintelligent, you know, just your basic. I could have helped them with this. Your basic PR person, basic, just ordinary journalist would go, don't do that first. Do this first. Show that you're on the side of the British people and then later on hit them with some, you know, silly spending, if you like.

It's extraordinary that the lack of thought that has gone through it I think yeah it really is it really is so let's just have a look again at those scenes at the Sistine Chapel earlier we did see a marching band dressed in deep blue clothes playing music walking through the clouds crowds at the Vatican but walking alongside them of course is the Swiss guards and that iconic blue and yellow striped uniform usually once the decision is made within the conclave it takes about an hour for the new pope to emerge on that balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square. Right now, the new pope has been led to a small room right next to the Sistine Chapel. That is where he will put on the white papal roads for the first time. And then a senior cardinal will soon confirm the decision announcing in latin

we have a pope and introducing the new pontiff by his chosen papal name so do stand by because a new pope has been chosen and we're expecting him to be revealed very, very shortly. Breaking right now, Slippery Starmer lied about the so-called riots after the Southport massacre with proof coming in a new police report that there was no link to the far-right whatsoever. And as Basil the Great posted on X about this, the Prime Minister lied when he said these were far-right thugs. He smeared ordinary British citizens after covering up his government's failure over Axel Rudder-Kobaner. Resign. New Reform UK councillor Darren Grimes added, the police report into the Southport protest concludes

despite the media and Starmer's narrative that there wasn't evidence of far-right groups and that actually it was locals in their own areas Quite the opposite to the elusive far-right bogeyman Starmer warned us of and he pointed specifically to a line from the report that said it concluded there was no evidence to suggest the disorder had been premeditated or coordinated by any specific group or network. Now, I have been saying this

since day one. We were on air that terrible day in Southport when Starmer turned up and was heckled by the locals. And I remember listening so closely to what those locals were saying. And some of them were friends of people who had lost their children in that disgusting mass terror attack. But Starmer knew the public was offside and he knew there had to be a bogeyman and he knew it was politically advantageous for him to create some sort of idea that there was a coordinated far-right activity in regards to trying to create social unrest, rather than genuine fury that we have been ignored for so many decades, for six decades in this country, about the huge scourge of mass migration and the way that it has changed the shape and the face of the United Kingdom forever.

So let me just remind you of that moment. You can see it in his head. I want you to watch Slippery Star Mahir, where he saw quite clearly that unless he came up with another big lie, the public was going to turn on him, given what he knew. How many more children have died on our streets, Prime Minister? How many more children have died on our streets, Prime Minister? How many more children? How many more children, Prime Minister? Are we going to do something? Time to change, Stormer.

Come on, it's needed. How many more children? Is it mine next? What's James for? Bye bye. You got your photos, off you go. Make a real change, Prime Minister. Make a real change! Our children!

Go away! I've just found out my friend's nine-year-old daughter. And you'll hear right at the end there, a woman desperate to speak to Starmer. I've just found out my friend's nine-year-old daughter was one of those who were in the dance class. Now, I think Kevin O'Sullivan yesterday on talk summed up very well Starmer's true motivation. And, of course, Keir Starmer throughout this phase said, he kept saying, these are not protests.

They're not protests. Far-right thugs. They're just far-right thugs. So they're not protests. These are just far-right thugs causing trouble. That was what the Prime Minister told us ad infinitum, day in, day out, for weeks. Remember? He just wouldn't stop with far-right thugs.

These are not protests. Right, this is the published report today by the Police Inspectorate. It found, and I quote, no conclusive evidence that the summer riots that were triggered by the police inspectorate. It found, and I quote, no conclusive evidence that the summer riots that were triggered by the Southport murders were coordinated by extremist groups. So, not far-right thugs then. And that most of the protesters were local,

so it wasn't a coordinated cross-country effort, were local and, and I'm quoting again, the violence was mainly unrelated to their ideology or political views. So not far-right thugs then. And it goes on to say, what were the reasons for these protests? So it does say they were protests. Keir Starmer, they're not protests.

Were they then? Just a sort of spontaneous eruption of violence for no reason whatsoever. They were protesting against the migrant crisis, Keir. Let me bring in my superstar panel again. Great British PAC regional director, Rachel Ed edmonds donna edmunds sorry and jasmine burtles of money magpie jasmine this was always so obvious there was no coordinated far-right campaign starman knew all about axel rudyanner, but he lied and he gaslit and maybe he bought time. But I don't think we can ever trust or forgive him again.

No, absolutely. And this, again, is sort of textbook Marxism in a sense, in that it's just using slurs to denigrate genuine anger, genuine upset. Just, you know, you can call somebody far right. You would call them conspiracy theorists. You can call them anti-Semitic. All of these just labels in order to quiet and dampen down genuine anger, genuine upset, genuine tragedy here. And of course, we do also know that he has connections with the family. So he will be wanting, I'm sure, to do everything he can

to make it seem that it's us, it's the others, the people in the country that are on the back foot and that are the wrong ones, the wrong-uns, and not the people who are actually doing the wrong, which is this Axel Rutte-Kopana. This was a major crime. And it frankly doesn't matter what colour or creed or race the person was. This was murder, pure and simple, and should at all times have been dealt with on that basis. That was the important thing. What do you think, Donna? Well, I'm actually quite concerned about this report, although it obviously has found that there was no sort of coordinated efforts. There is another line in it. It said that although the

causes were complex, the overwhelming speed and volume of online content further fueled its spread and to me that sounds very much like they're about to use this as an excuse to clamp down further on free speech to try and shut down maybe even social media platforms because all it's really said there is that it went viral it's like well yeah everyone was angry so if every time anything goes viral, we're going to have to be told to stay quiet and in our boxes, then how are they going to do that other than pulling the plug? I mean, I know you can't really, but on Twitter.

Yeah, but they want to try. They want to try. Oh, they will. They want to control these platforms. Look, you are so right to point that out because that is absolutely the motivation here. I find it chilling. I find it quite sickening.

But you see it all the time. You see the way that at the moment the left are hiding behind children in an attempt to crack down on free speech online. Oh, because we've got to protect children. But they know it's not actually about that. What it's really about is population control. They do not want us to know the truth. They never wanted us to know the truth about Axel Rudikubana. By the way, we still don't know the full truth about

Axel Rudikubana. And they use all of the levers of state that they can. So obviously hiding behind contempt of court. And that's why they're so terrified. And you're so right to point it out, they are so terrified about social media. Because of course, especially when it comes to x and elon musk they cannot control him and they know they cannot control him but look starmer is so shameful i think in so many ways in terms of how much he hates us and i really do mean that because just remember yesterday after lucy powell and i know this is an issue donna that you're so passionate about the pakistani Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. And after those despicable comments from Lucy Powell yesterday, as Chris Rose pointed out, at PMQs yesterday, Starmer had Lucy Powell sit right next to him instead of sacking her.

He says it's an image the Conservatives and Reforms should use for the next election. The image alone says it's an image the Conservatives and reform should use for the next election. The image alone says it all. Well, I can tell you, and there's been a glut of breaking news this afternoon, of course, but I can tell you that Lucy Powell has now made a lengthy apology in the House of Commons. I want to play this to you, Jasmine and Donna, and get your reaction, please. Can I actually thank him for raising with me what I said in an episode of Any Questions last week? So I can be absolutely clear with the House today, especially to the victims and survivors of child sexual abuse and grooming gangs. But I am very sorry for those remarks, as I made clear over the weekend. o ddiffyg seksual plant a chyfnodion ymgymryd, ond rwy'n ddiolch iawn am y ddweud hynny,

fel y gwnaethom ei ddysgu dros y wythnos. Rwyf a pob aelod o'r Llywodraeth honno eisiau i'ch gwirionedd ei glywed. Yn unrhyw le mae'r gwirionedd honno'n arwain, mae'ch profiadau ymddygiadol anhygoel angen eu bod yn cael eu gweithio arnynt, i'r rhai sy'n gyfrifol fod yn gyfrifol ac i ffwrdd â'r gwirionedd cyfan y llaw a chyfrifol i gael ei gwaith. Nid ydw i eisiau, Brif Weinidog, gadael y syniad y bydd y materion sy'n bryd iawn, sy'n profond ac yn llwyr, a fyddwn i wedi'u cymdeithas arnynt am lawer o flynyddoedd, yn cael eu llwyddo i ffwrdd a ddim yn cael eu llwyddo.

Mae'n ffwrdd o hynny. Ni fydd ystdd dim stôn yn cael ei adael heb ei gwblhau. Yr hyn y mae'r ddynion amdano yn gyntaf yw i fod yn cael gweithredu ac i fod y cynghorau o'r ymchwiliadau blaenorol i'w gyflwyno yn llawn, yn ymwneud â chyflwyno cyfnodol o ddiffyg seksuol plant, rhywbeth rwyf wedi'i gofyn am am nes y ddeged. Mae'r adnoddau hyn yn sylweddol yn parhau i ddod i'r llawr hyd yn oed cyn i ni ddod i Lywodraeth y flwyddyn diwethaf. Mae Baroness Louise Casey, a gyflawni'r ymchwil o'r barau na chynhyrchu i Rhotheron, yn cyflwyno adroddiad ar y sgail, y naturi a'r gweithredaethau o gyfnodion ymgyrchu. Bydd hi'n cyflwyno yn fuan, ac mae hyn yn cynnwys cwestiynau ethnigol hefyd.

Mae pob gyhoeddus yn Lloegr Cymru wedi cael ei ofyn i edrych eto ar faterion o dynion ymdrin hanesyddol, a byddant yn cael eu cyhoeddi lle y byddai'n ddefnyddiol i gael perthynwyr o amgylch barnau. Felly, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y Llywodraeth wedi'i gadael mewn gwirionedd, o fy ngwmniad i'r materion hyn a fy anghymorth i'r ddynion hyn bars. So I hope the House is left in no doubt, Mr Speaker, of my commitment to these issues and my apology to those victims for any distress I have caused them. Donna Edmonds, do you want to know my view? My view is that the only thing she's sorry for is the fact that her job was on the line. I think she revealed her true colours when she described any mention of Pakistani Muslim

rape gangs as a dog whistle. This is how Labour thinks. Do you accept that apology? And do you believe that apology? No, obviously I don't. But I'm actually going to be in Westminster next Thursday. So I'll march over to her office and I'll say, great, if you really mean that, you can fund my National Archive for the Survivors of Grooming Gangs, because that's exactly what we plan to do is I want to interview every single person I can find who will come forward. I want to get their full story going back no matter how long, you know, 80s, 70s, however far it goes back. Find out exactly what happened to every single one of those people, girls and there are boys as well. People don't talk about the boys, but there are boy survivors as well. And ask them what happened and who let it happen, because we need to know that by now. This is not a want anymore. This is not, you know,

for the survivors. It's for the whole country. Something terrible has happened in this country on a scale never, ever seen on these shores before. We have been attacked from within, and that's been going on for decades. And it's been allowed to go on for decades by the people who are supposed to protect us and, you know, serve us. So yeah, I'm just going to pop down to her office and say, brilliant, give me the funding, then it saves me having to do the fundraising myself. And she won't, because she doesn't really mean it. She's a liar. Jasmine Birtles, do you agree? Do you accept her apology?

I don't. I mean, I think it's a useful apology because she's been forced to say that she's going to do X, Y and Z. And there it was on camera. And there will be people like Donna who will be able to take her to task and go, you said this. Have you done it yet? I do think that the dog whistle idea is probably something that has been said in cabinet. I'm sure it feels, it felt when she said it, it felt like something that all of the Labour cabinet were just sort of saying, and that was the way that they were approaching this. So I don't think that her apology is real, but I think it's been a useful one potentially to actually get some things done. So I'm glad Donna is on it. I'm glad she's heard about it and that she will be able to take her to task later on. Very good. You betcha. Very good

point. Well, look, stand by Donna Edmonds and Jasmine Birtles. A reminder, we are on Pope Watch. Take a look at these live scenes in Vatican City where the white smoke, while we've been on air, has risen through the chimney of the Sistine Chapel, meaning that the conclave has decided with a 75% majority the identity of the new Pope. He is currently likely being put into his papal robes for the first time,

choosing his name as Pope, and it will be announced to the world imminently. Of course, this is also very bad news for Slippery Starmer, the Prime Minister, given it wipes the US-UK VE Day trade deal from the top of the news agenda. So do stand by because we will be bringing you the first image and the identity of the new Pope imminently. Plus, as well, what is really going on with Keir Starmer and his wife, given that Tory MPs are now openly joking about those rumours in Parliament? So lots more to come. Don't go anywhere today. A massive day of breaking news. And you know you only want to get it from an independent platform like Outspoken, right? But first, Father's Day, just around the corner. And let's be honest, dad does not need another coffee mug or pair of socks. It's time

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Why do we live in a country where the mainstream media works in lockstep with the political establishment to cover up stories that they all believe they can talk about? So they have all been talking about for months and months and months the problems in the marriage between Keir Starmer, Slippery Starmer as I call him, and Lady Victoria Starmer, but they don't believe you have a right to know. While I have been very honest about the fact that I feel deeply sorry for Lady Starmer, given the huge issues that she's facing and the strain that she's dealing with in the public eye, and let's just look at her, by way over the past few days because after her disappearance for six weeks Starmer is forcing her to make public appearance after public appearance and

she clearly feels deeply uncomfortable about it but we know why they're doing it to hit back at any suggestion that there are problems in the marriage even though I have reported for months that there very much are but again again, what I find disgusting, the reason that I'm talking about this subject again today, is I don't believe that MPs should be wink, wink, nudge, nudging about this with all the Westminster journalists, yet refusing to tell you the truth. So this is the moment I'm talking about. You've got to read between the lines, but it's very, very clear what the Conservative MP Matt Vickers was getting at during this question at PMQs yesterday. Watch.

...to Jason, a pub landlord, and he told me he's heard a rumour about the Prime Minister. Not that one, not that one. He's heard that there is a reason why the Prime Minister hates Britain's pubs. Landlords like Jason are being battered by Labour's jobs tax and the slashing of small business rates relief, meaning that as many as half of Britain's pubs could be closed by 2030. Why does he hate Britain's pubs? And if he doesn't, why is he taxing them into extinction? Mr Speaker, nobody likes pubs better than me and we support them. But Mr Speaker,

it's the same old nonsense. They say they don't want the national insurance rise, but they don't have the courage to say they'd reverse it because they know if they said that, they wouldn't be able to say where the money's coming from. That's how we got into the problem in the first place. Let me bring in my superstar panel again, Donna Edmonds of the Great British PAC, former Reform UK councillor, and Jasmine Bertels, who is, of course, money magpie and a brilliant independent journalist at News Uncut on Substack as well. So, Jasmine, do you understand where I'm coming from here? Like, why on earth should the British public be locked out of a secret that all of the Westminster journalists, all of the MPs are discussing infinitum,

and that is even raised within PMQs? It is extraordinary, isn't it? Because when you and I know that journalists are often, you know, hidebound by legal problems, you know, that they can't, if they can't stand up a story, they can't put it out on the newspapers. But clearly here, there's a lot of ways that they can stand up this story. So it does sound to me like they are simply working in cahoots with the Labour Party,

and particularly the Labour leadership. And that's not helpful for us, the voters, frankly. It sounds, as you say, like there's information that we need to hear, because why shouldn't we? If the Westminster journalists and the MPs are talking about it, well, they're not better than the rest of us. We need to be able to hear this as voters and decide then what we want to do with this party. Yeah, how do you feel about it, Rachel? Donna?

Yeah, sorry. I keep saying Rachel, by the way because your your your ex name is donna rachel isn't it or rachel donna that's just so people know that's what is it your middle name is it your middle name yeah it is it is so i'm happy for either i don't mind at all um no back to the media i look i mean it's a very cozy club over in westminster isn't it and and you know they all hang out together they go to the same bars and all the rest of it. We know this by now. For me, the more worrying question is, OK, I mean,

this is a sort of gossipy story about Starmer and his... I'm not even sure I'm allowed to say. But, you know, but what else are they hiding? I mean, what else are the media not publishing if they refuse to publish this? And just discussing amongst themselves in Parliament. And by the way, this is Of course, and just discussing amongst themselves in Parliament. And by the way, this is not the first time it has been raised in Parliament and this is what I find so shocking.

The journalists, again, are posting all about it as a wink, wink, nudge, nudge. It's like, no, I'm going to tell you what I know and what I can tell you, whereas they are the big mainstream media organisations that could actually have the balls to say, we're going to go to print on this and let's see if Starmer sues us, rather than little old independent journalist me. But it's not the first time it's been raised in PMQs. This also happened with the Labour MP, Dawn Butler,

thinking that it was hilarious to make a joke about the temptations in regards to Starmer. And he played along. It's weird, isn't it? I'm thinking of Boris Johnson. Oh, sorry. Oh, no, Jasmine, you go and then we'll watch it. I'm thinking of Boris Johnson here as well. I mean, we heard about various of his dalliances,

but there were all sorts that we didn't hear a word about. So, you know, it's not just Starmer that they do this with. It is, as Donna says, quite a club and we're not in it. OK, let's have a look at this moment. Don Butler, final question. Thank you, Mr Speaker. October is Black History Month and the theme this year is reclaiming the narrative. I want to thank Mr Speaker for the event that youich ardal gyda'r Temptations. Mae'r Prif Weinidog yn cynnig y band Temptations.

Bydd y Prif Weinidog yn cynnig digwyddiad yn nifer 10 ystod ystod ystod. Bydd y Prif Weinidog yn cytuno â mi bod yn bwysig bod yn parhau i gael debat ar y llawr yma yn amser Llywodraethu Cymru ar Ddiwrnod Hesur Cymru? Brif Weinidog Nid wyf yn siŵr, yn ystod y diwrnod, bod mynd i rywbeth sy'n cael ei anfon fel Temptations yn eithaf lle rwy'n angen mynd. Ond mae'n ddiddordeb bwysig iawn. Mae'n bwysig bod yn cael ei enw, ac rwy'n hapus iawn o gynnal y digwyddiad heno, i'w hynny But this is a really important initiative. It is important it's being marked, and I'm very pleased to be hosting the event this evening,

to which I think she is coming. Thank you. I mean, it's extraordinary, isn't it? And, of course, my conversations with Paul Staines from Guido Fawkes, I think, have provided the public the clearest indication of what has actually been going on. Here's a reminder. We've both been in the game a long time. You know the rules.

If you can't stand it up completely, you can't run the story. So we have a name, as do the mail and the telegraph. We have a name, as do the Mail and the Telegraph. We have a birth certificate. And people have been looking into it. Journalists have contacted the family. So it's in play. And a lot of people do know it, but we have not been able to substantiate it to the degree that you need to publish. Okay, so to clarify, would you say that this story is about the shape of Keir Starmer's family? Yes. Yeah, that's a very good way of phrasing it. And there was more from paul stains here a marked change you referred to it in the podcast with the bombshells that all of a sudden as soon as the daily mail and the daily telegraph started to suggest where's vicky the disappearing wife i remember i made a video about that

all of a sudden she was out with a huge amount of force and it was very public i mean it all started you remember with that picture on instagram loved up picture on instagram during the taylor swift concert and from there there there was a marked change so it was very clear they wanted to shut down the rumors but i guess it hasn't worked well what what the lobby suspects about lord alley's property, they don't really buy into. I don't think any of us really buy into it was for the son to do his revision for his GCSEs.

That was he in the doghouse? Was he kicked out? Was he, you know, using the bedrooms at the penthouse? You know, that's what they're suspicious of. Was he not under the same roof as Victoria? Well, yes, indeed. And I had learned that there were mainstream newspaper journalists looking into the story before the election that Starmer and his wife were,

shall we say say living separate lives jasmine burtles it does matter because it does relate to his public conduct does it not i mean if he is prepared to throw his young son under the bus and say oh the real reason I needed to be staying at a multi-million pound apartment in Mayfair was so that my son could study for his GCSEs, not so that I had to get away from my very furious wife. He is the one that is invoking his children when it is politically convenient to do so. He did the same thing, by the way, over Netflix show Adolescence. Yes, absolutely. And Adolescence, I mean, all the fuss over that, we're going back to what we were talking about earlier.

I've heard left-wing journalists say that, you know, with Adolescence, they bring in Andrew Tate and say that it's, you know, the far right that's causing a problem and that we have to monitor social media so that the far right doesn't get in. So that's a whole other thing. But I agree with when it comes to Takiyah Starmer and his conduct, there's almost a sense, you know, where he's he himself is joking about the temptations, etc. It's rather that he's enjoying being seen as a bit of a lad. Jasmine, I'm going to interrupt breaking news. If we cross to Vatican City, let's listen in. We have a new pope.

We have a name. Annuncio vobis gaudium magnum. Abbemus Papam, Eminentissimum, Acreverendissimum Dominum, Dominum Robertum Franciscum, Sancte Romanae Ecclesiae, Cardinalinalem prevost, qui sibi nomen imposuit Leonem decimum quartum. OK, so this is the moment where the new Pope will be revealed to the world for the first time in the past hour, the white smoke from the conclave. And let's look at these scenes. Let's listen to these incredible scenes. So Cardinal Prevzot has been elected as the new Pope. We do not yet know his papal name. Cardinal. There is some suggestion it may be Pope Leo, although that has not yet been confirmed.

But these are just the most incredible scenes at the moment. Now, this is extraordinary because I do believe he would be the first American Pope, Jasmine Birtle, Pope Leo XIV. This is quite a moment, isn't it? It is, to have an American Pope. Gosh, that is different. And, well, it'll be interesting to see the relations, political relations, between America and the Vatican, particularly as the Vatican, geographically at least and politically in many ways, is at the heart of the EU.

So that should make it, well, it'll be interesting to see. So let me just tell you about him. He is originally from Chicago, but has spent much of his time serving in Peru and he holds nationality in both the US and Peru and he has worked in Latin America for years. However, he was working at the Catholic Theological Union in Chicago from 1978 until 1982.

He is said to be very calm, very intelligent, and extremely compassionate. However, he is seen as a progressive on many social issues. Overall, many view him as a centrist. So this looks like Donna Edmonds, a continuation of the Pope Francis regime, which will not please traditionalists in the Catholic Church? No, absolutely not. I think they really wanted a break from what we've had for the last few years and a new direction. But I do wonder if there's been some sort of strategic thinking in picking an American. I wonder if they think that maybe Trump can rein him in,

or that they can have a better relationship, or there's some sort of thinking along the lines of, you know, if we get somebody that Trump can come alongside and chat with, maybe they think that it would stand them in better stead. I don't know. Well, Jasmine, it does feel to me like there has been a great renaissance of the United States of America. I mean, this is a historic surprise, right? There were very, very few people who were predicting Robert Cardinal Prevost would become the Pope. There were a lot of people talking about an African Pope, for example, the historic moment of an African Pope, but an American Pope at a time when Donald Trump is tearing up the rule books internationally. Any idea that America was losing its status as an international global superpower

under Joe Biden has been thrown out the window, right? Well, it has. But it'll be interesting to see if sparks fly between the anti-woke Trump administration, which has, as you say, they've ripped up the Biden book, the Biden rule book, absolutely squashed woke in so many areas. If this Pope is progressive, i.e. woke, and insists on pushing a progressive agenda, that's going to be interesting. That really is. I mean, you know, there's only so much, blood may be thicker than water, but there's only so much that being American can do to keep things together if your policies are diametrically opposed to the policies of the Trump administration. So it could be interesting to watch. Yeah, I mean, not everyone happy, I have to say, of the Trump administration. So it could be interesting to watch.

Yeah, I mean, not everyone happy, I have to say in the Outspoken Live chat at the moment. Hello, Rob's gone sailing, who says the new Pope is a woke DEI hire. It's interesting, though, isn't it, Donna, because I think the fact that he is American will be a huge, huge boom for Donald Trump and J.D. Vance. Unless, of course, the Pope follows in the footsteps of Francis and ends up criticising, for example, the new administration's mass deportation policies? Yeah, I mean, we could see some real ructions happening between Vatican and Washington if that took place. I think I'm right in saying that Vance himself is a Catholic. So I wonder what he's thinking right now about all of this and, you know, about how they're going to sort of play those, the relationship. But as I said, you know, as we said, it'll be very, I think it's possibly

a little too early to say exactly what he's going to be doing. You know, he's literally just sort of not even stepped out onto the balcony yet. So, you know, maybe we should just

give him a bit of a chance and sort of see where he's coming from. I wonder whether, you know, it's possible, I suppose, that he could be sort of seeing which way the wind is blowing in America and thinking, well, perhaps we need to rein in this woke stuff a little.

And, you know, he might be thinking that he can somehow do that and keep the central tenets of sort of woke Catholicism. So it'll be interesting to see how the Vatican plays it. It'll be interesting to see how Washington plays it. And it'll be interesting to see how those personal relationships between Vance and the new Pope have any kind of impact on those relations. Okay, if you're just joining us, let me fill you in on this extraordinary piece of breaking news. In the past hour after the white smoke emerged from the chimney at the Sistine Chapel, Cardinal Robert Provost, originally from Chicago, has been named as the first American Pope. He will be Pope Leo XIV. This is considered a historic surprise. He's a centrist in many ways, although some would argue more on the progressive side when it comes to the Roman Catholic Church. He had been living in Rome previously. Interestingly, Jasmine Birtles,

his role was to oversee the election of new bishops all over the world. So potentially a very good relationship with those bishops who were, of course, making the decision. Yes, that does help, doesn't it? But my immediate thought with that, though, is I wonder what his position was on the paedophile priests. And, you know, that included some bishops. The Catholic Church, as you know, does not have a good record in that area. And we still have reports of priests and bishops simply being moved from one place to another. And here we see, I believe, let's listen in. Let's listen to this historic moment where Pope Leo XIV, the first American Pope, is being unveiled to the world at Vatican City. Stamford Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion 4-0, Stadion Incredible scenes. Donna Edmonds, what's fascinating is that Cardinal Provost

is only 69 years old. So he has a historic opportunity to reshape the Catholic Church, doesn't he, for potentially two to three decades. And that'll be interesting to watch. And potentially, I mean, as we said, if he really is woke, that could be quite damaging to the church, I would say. But, you know, as we said, we ought to wait and see. There's progressive and there's progressive.

Yeah, he is viewed as a reformer of the catholic church that much is true but just incredible scenes and i i await with interest donald trump's reaction to the fact that there has been an American Pope elected. But of course, from a political perspective, this is horrifying news. Absolutely horrifying news for Keir Starmer, who hoped that the VE Day trade deal between the US and the UK would be dominating international headlines

on both sides of the Atlantic. Well, that's out the window now, Donna. Oh, let's listen to the new Pope. We'll speak to you after. Sirelli, sorelle carissime, questounque siano, a tutti i popoli, a tutta la terra, la pace sia con voi. Grazie. Questa è la pace di Cristo risorto, una pace disarmata e una pace disarmante, umile e perseverante. Tutti, incondizionalmente, ancora conserviamo nei nostri orecchi quella voce debole ma sempre coraggiosa di Papa Francesco che benediva Roma dava la sua benedizione al mondo, al mondo intero, quella mattina del giorno di Pasqua. Consentitemi di dar seguito a quella stessa benedizione. Dio ci vuole bene. Dio vi ama a tutti, e il male non prevarrà. Siamo tutti nelle mani di Dio. Pertanto, senza paura, uniti, mano nella mano con Dio e tra di noi, andiamo avanti.

Siamo discepoli di Cristo. Cristo ci precede. Il mondo ha bisogno della sua luce. L'umanità necessita di Lui come il ponte per essere raggiunta da Dio e dal suo amore. Aiutateci anche voi, poi gli uni gli altri, a costruire i ponti, con il dialogo, con l'incontro, unendoci tutti per essere un solo popolo, sempre in pace. Grazie a Papa Francesco. Voglio ringraziare anche tutti i confratelli cardinali che hanno scelto me per essere successore di Pietro e camminare insieme a voi come Chiesa Unita, cercando sempre la pace, la giustizia, cercando sempre di lavorare come uomini e donne fedeli a Gesù Cristo,

senza paura, per proclamare il Vangelo, per essere missionari. Sono un figlio di Sant'Agostino, agostiniano, che ha detto con voi sono cristiano e per voi vescovo. In questo senso possiamo tutti camminare insieme verso quella patria la quale Dio ci ha preparato. Alla Chiesa di Roma un saluto speciale. una Chiesa che costruisce i ponti, il dialogo, sempre aperta a ricevere, come questa piazza con le braccia aperte, a tutti, tutti coloro che hanno bisogno della nostra carità, della nostra presenza, del dialogo, dell'amore. E se mi permetton palabra, un saludo a todos aquellos, y en modo particular a mi querida diócesis de Chiclayo en el Perú, donde un pueblo fiel ha acompañado a su obispo, ha compartido su fe y ha dado tanto, tanto para seguir siendo Iglesia fiel de Jesù Cristo. A tutti voi, fratelli e sorelle di Roma, d'Italia, di tutto il mondo,

vogliamo essere una Chiesa sinodale, una Chiesa che cammina, una Chiesa che cerca sempre la pace, cerca sempre la carità, cerca sempre di essere vicino, specialmente a coloro che soffrono. Oggi è il giorno della supplica alla Madonna di Pompei. Nostra Madre Maria vuole sempre camminare con noi, stare vicino, aiutarci con la sua intercessione e il suo amore. Allora vorrei pregare insieme a voi. Preghiamo insieme per questa nuova missione, per tutta la Chiesa, per la pace nel mondo. E chiediamo questa grazia speciale di Maria, nostra Madre. Ave Maria, piena di grazia, signore con te tu sei benedetta fra le donne e benedetto il frutto del tuo seno gesù santa maria madre di dio prega per noi peccatori adesso e nell'ora della nostra morte Amen. Il Santo Padre Leone, a tutti i fedeli presenti e a quelli che ricevono la sua benedizione History in the making. There we see Cardinal Robert Francis Provost

become Pope Leo XIV, the first American pope, clearly emotional. And let me just show you the first reaction from Donald Trump. We can see here he has just posted on Truth Social. Congratulations to Cardinal Robert Francis Provost, who was just named Pope. It is such an honour to realise that he is the first American Pope. What excitement and what a great honour for our country. I look forward to meeting Pope Leo XIV. It will be a very meaningful moment. And we'll just look back at these scenes now taking place a moment of history great to watch history with you jasmine burtles not something we expected of course because this was a very swift conclave and what's interesting i haven't been able to confirm this jasmine but

there is some speculation online that Cardinal Robert Francis Provost was a registered Republican in America. So that would certainly please Mr. Trump, wouldn't it? Well, it would. I mean, that sounds very interesting, given that, you know, on the one hand, we're being told that he's a progressive, he's a centrist, makes him sound like somebody who would vote for Biden. But if he has been on the Republican roster, I mean, it may be that he was and he's turned in totally the opposite direction. But yes, if he is still basically a Republican voter, then that would oil the wheels very much with Trump, as you say, and actually potentially help the EU in their negotiations with Trump. Who knows? It'll be interesting.

And Donna Edmonds, great to have you for the first time on Outspoken. Wow, this show took a twist, didn't it? This show took a twist. But what's your final word on this history historic scene at vatican city well it's just fantastic isn't it just to witness these moments um i lived in jerusalem for a while and you always got there that real sense of like the depth of the history the depth of our civilization and what it's built upon uh and actually you know it strikes me that if labor or starmer was in any way savvy, he would build upon that.

Because, of course, today is VE Day. And again, it's that sense of our history, of our traditions, you know, of coming together and celebrating who we are as a people. He could really play into that. I doubt he will. But, you know, it's lovely to see these scenes. You know, my congratulations to the Catholic Church for having a new pope. And I'm sure it sounds like he's actually going to be quite a good one. I'm quite optimistic about all of this. I mean, reform can go in both ways. You know, you could be a reformer and be woke or you can be a reformer and be Trump. So let's see what he does with it. Absolutely. Look, let's just listen in to these final scenes from a very excited crowd

who have witnessed history this afternoon. And I've loved witnessing history with you too. One of my goals when I launched Outspoken was that you didn't have to be a mainstream media viewer for these historic events, and I'm delighted today that we have watched history together as the first American Pope is unveiled and Donald Trump reacts. These are incredible scenes. Let's just listen in. © BF-WATCH TV 2021 just wonderful absolutely wonderful scenes thank you so much to my fabulous superstar panel

jasmine vertles donna edmund you've been on a ride today we have been on quite a ride history made thank you both so much oh and let's just go back let's just go back to madigan city he's waving goodbye let's take these scenes wonderful Wonderful. Nothing better than a balcony shot, is there? There really isn't. And I'm a good Catholic boy. I'm a good Catholic boy, so there you go.

What a moment. What a moment. Okay, thank you so much to my superstar panel. There he is, first American Pope in history. Just wanted to end with one comment today, though, because it links to VE Day and what I was saying at the top of the show. And thank you very much for Lynn Kerry for making this point.

And I thought it was important to share. Even though it's a downbeat moment, I totally understand what you're saying, Lynn. She writes, I have been in tears today, thinking what my great-grandfather died for has all disappeared. He would be disgusted. And that's what we're fighting for, isn't it, Lynn? And I totally understand the point that you're making, but let's fight for our great

country together to win it back. Okay, Greatest Britain Union Jackass time, a reminder of your nominees. Kit Malthouse, nominated by Michael Cass because he broke ranks with Tory MPs and peers to call for the recognition of Palestine. Not exactly what the Tory party needs to be doing, I would argue, at the moment. Nreda Kerr, nominated by Darren Donaldson because she never takes a break from race baiting on the 80th anniversary of VE Day. Shameful. This was on the whole issue of whether migrants should be forced to speak English. And Ed Davey, nominated by Thomas Williams for saying that Trump would lose a fight with Paddington Bear and Bridget Jones. Okay, let me get to the results.

Thank you so much for your votes throughout the day. In third place, Ed Davey for his bizarre Trump comments with 13% of the vote. The runner-up, Kit Malthouse for the Tory-Palestine push with 17% of the vote. That's 1-7. But far and away, your union jackass this Thursday, Norinda Kerr, with 70 percent of the vote. So straight after the show,

I am going to put Norinda head to head with your other union jackasses from across the week. Let me just remind you who they are. On Monday, we had Lucy Powell. On Tuesday, it was Prince Harry on Wednesday Meghan Markle Thursday that is going to be a fascinating vote and tomorrow live on the show we will unveil the worst Britain in the world this week we're not done here today though believe it or not because we're moving to Substack now to continue with the Royal Uncancelled Aftershow, www.outspoken.live. Before we get there, though, let me reveal today's Greatest Britain, a brilliant choice from Darren Donaldson, Pauline Alexander, a veteran aged 101, who is one of five siblings to serve. She lost her three brothers in the war. And of course, this VE day, she is the

perfect choice to be Greatest Britain. Thank you for your company today. We're back 5pm UK time tomorrow, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hit subscribe if you're watching right now on YouTube or Rumble. Turn on the notification bell to be alerted to our new content. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.