Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE NEMESIS BEN HABIB SPEAKS FOR FIRST TIME ABOUT LAUNCH OF REFORM UK RIVAL PARTY

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

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And wow, a historic day in broken Britain that has exposed the woke mainstream media. We're going to get into it all, but I must just say to start, hallelujah, hallelujah. Finally, confirmation that what I describe as the woke clown class have been totally wrong for years to shove down our throat this concept that a trans woman is a woman. So shame on you, scheming sturgeon. Shame on you, all the other female politicians that let down their own sex. Oh my goodness, there's so many Annalise Dobbs, Angela Rayner, Emily Thornberry. But shame on the men too. Shame on Slippery Starmer. Shame on Ed Davey. Shame on all of the people that should have been there for the women of this country. You've been humiliated today by the Supreme Court. But of course, last night, Sly News decided to interview ahead of this decision, Dylan Mulvaney. And today on air, they tried to undermine the unanimous Supreme Court decision.

Joshua, the ruling you said was clear. The judge said that this was not a victory for either side. But whilst trans people and trans rights, as the judge acknowledged, are protected in law, how people feel in reality can often be very different to the reality of what is in the law. How do we as a society interpret, go about and react to judgments such as these? F you. Seriously, F you Sky News. Sly news that I call you that for good reason. So the decision doesn't go your way. A unanimous Supreme Court decision doesn't go your way. And so you immediately just try to undermine it. Talking over those incredible women. Disgusting. Then Tom Harwood on GB News decided to police the language of his only female guest. channel it's not very respectful i'm afraid i don't use gender language and no one can force

well nobody can force you to do anything but it's politeness in social settings continue we have freedom of speech in this country paula yeah so this is pretty well good on emily carver there but i have to say that same channel today launched an unhinged attack on tommy robinson after his latest outrageous court loss. I'm fed up to the back teeth of him. He hasn't got any values which anybody could possibly admire, but he's, unfortunately, he's like an irritating boil on your bum. And you can't get rid of him.

Not an image I cherish. No, no, and you can't get rid of him. But I'm fed up to the back teeth of this guy. I mean, you're absolutely right. It's all down to martyrdom. But where I completely dismissed him as a fantasist was when he tried to protest to police on one occasion when he was arrested. Oh, you're arresting me because I'm a working journalist.

Whoa, whoa. So, look, today, here on Outspoken, you will get the coverage that the MSM simply doesn't provide anymore with two brilliant guests. Father Calvin Robinson and Ben Habib, chair of the Great British Pack, the new leader of the Integrity Party, which I will be discussing in my digest next. Also coming up on a very busy show, a colourblind casting row over the new Harry Potter TV series as a black actor is chosen to replace Alan Rickman in the film series to play Severus Snape, known as the smart yet cruel potions master at Hogwarts who has a large hooked nose and yellow uneven teeth. This has certainly divided Potter fans, so we'll get into that.

Then in the uncancelled after show, which is on Substack after the main show, www.outspoken.live, Prince Harry has spoken for the first time about Meghan Markle's business disaster in what is a crazed new cover interview in People magazine. We're going to decode all of his deranged claims with the Royal YouTube Sensation PD. You can sign up to watch www.outspoken.live. Of course, Greatest Britain Union jackass

revealed at the end of the show too. Your union jackass nominees today. Connor Gillies, the Sly News Scottish correspondent nominated by Muriel MBE because of his nastiness towards biological women, Dr. Scholler nominated by Dr. Wolff because she's a grifter, and John Sweeney, the Scottish First Minister nominated by It's Only Me 44 for approving a 20k pay rise for ministers. So we will bring you the results at the end of the show, but actually it's all in your hands. Just get voting right now on the YouTube live chat. Leave me your comments too. I will read out

the best of them or the worst of them. Have a go at me if you want at the end of the show. So lots of reason to stick around, but now let's go. Does Britain need a real small-c Conservative party on the right? Despite an impressive performance in recent months by Robert Jenrick, a future Tory leader, that party's 14 years of failure in government makes it hard for many of us to even consider going back right now. But then Reform UK, a party I proudly voted for as I became the first commentator to predict Nigel Farage will lead a populist revolution to become Prime Minister in 2024 back last year, well it now appears to be claiming that it is not a party on the right at all. Now many Reform supporters are actually furious with me for even raising this incongruity

with Farage being described as a far-right racist and a pound-shot Donald Trump, as you just saw there on the front page of The Guardian, by the lunatics at the National Education Union. They're describing him as that just as he moves away from key policies like mass deportations, concerns about demography, and NHS reform. For me, the message that Nigel and reform need to take on is to hell with the MSM, to hell with the Westminster establishment, to hell with the British deep state. They are never going to accept us, as the National Education Union today proves. But instead, the reform approach appears to be to present itself as the new Tories, a big tent party that sits on either the left nor the right to appeal to the Red Wall.

So after their latest election broadcast last night, Rob Esk posted, Nigel Farage confirms reform are a centrist party going after the centre-left and centre-right vote. I think this is a smart play if you're going from a protest party to a party in government. What about you? That's what Rob Esk asked. And look, I fully appreciate, maybe it's smart. Like, maybe there's polling that shows this is in some way smart. But I'm going to be honest with you and level with you, even though reform supporters don't want to hear this. It's not what I believe is needed to save the UK.

I actually went and watched the party political broadcast, by the way, and it is what Farage did seem to say. Watch. Although I was very relieved to see overnight that Farage at least hasn't backed away from electoral reform. This was in an interview, by the way. With this, have you seen this guy? He's the real woke bloke at woke ITV with the woke mullet.

Watch. We're in a position where you might actually be able to get into number 10 sometime in the next few years. Do you still want rid of first-past-the-post? I don't think the electoral system really works. I think there are three things, really. One, first-past-the-post he's looking at. Two, I do think the public should have the right to call referendums on big subjects.

You might get an issue where Parliament's in a very different place than the country, so I do think an element of direct democracy needs to come in. And three, the House of Lords. Don't make me laugh. Stuff full of party apparatchiks and party donors. That needs a massive wholesale change. So, yes, I'm for electoral reform. OK, so that's good. That is good for me. Love the idea of direct democracy, actually. But after the disaster

with the Tories, just want to be totally clear with you that I can't vote for another centrist party. That said, I do hear, I hear this clear message from Faragas, like Matt Goodwin, like Alex Phillips, like Gwaine Towler, like Aaron Banks, who say there is only one game in town and there's just no chance of a new movement emerging before 2029. But that isn't going to stop Ben Habib, the former reform deputy leader who was brutally dispatched by Nigel Farage after the last election and has confirmed this week that he is taking control of the Integrity Party to launch a new conservative political vehicle. Now, Howard Cox, great guy. He's actually here with Alex Phillips tomorrow. He has immediately

joined. But Rupert Lowe is keeping his options open, although he has ruled out a return to reform, which he intends to sue. Watch. Well, I always said you can't win anything with bad people. And I'm afraid to say that the people I sat with in Parliament, the way they behaved towards me is not how you should behave. So no return to reform. Let alone a fellow MP.

No return to reform, you're saying, even if you're part by the police? I couldn't return to reform unless there was a complete change of leadership and a complete change of structure and a proper plan to deliver for the British people. And Rupert said today that Viraj should actually be well over this 25% ceiling that he appears to have hit in national polling. And he pointed to three key issues. Let me go through them very quickly, but they are interesting. He said, one, a total and brutal lack of any substance. Daily slick videos and social media graphics look professional, but it's all just vacuous nonsense. None of it means anything. Daily slick videos and social media graphics look professional, but it's all just vacuous nonsense. None of it means anything. Fancy music and imaginative camera angles. So what? Who cares? Honestly, reform will fix it. How? Second issue he pointed to was backtracking on important issues like mass deportation. He says it's not something that

Nigel wants to talk about. He says he's terrified of being labelled a racist by the Westminster media. Rupert says, my view, who cares? Honestly, the British people want it. Give it to them. And then he says the third issue is Farage himself. Farage won votes in Great Yarmouth, but he cost a lot too, particularly with his comments on Putin. The party was polling well before Farage returned, and we ended up on 14% nationally after the campaign. After decades of uncontrolled mass immigration decimating our country from all angles, the ground could not be more fertile. 25% should be the floor, not the ceiling. So look, I decided to run two polls over the past 24, actually 48 hours because I started on Substack. Actually, my Substack audience are amazing. www.outspoken.live.

Please do sign up. Have a real direct connection with me. So these are maybe the most hardcore outspoken supporters. And I asked, which party are you most likely to support? And you will see there I gave the options Conservative, Reform, UKIP. and then I said specifically Ben Habib's Integrity Party. Now, when put that way, you will see Conservative 7, UKIP 4, Reform UK 38, Ben Habib's Integrity Party 52. I did think about it, though, and I thought, well, maybe that might not be totally fair, given that I hadn't named the other leaders in that poll. So then I went on YouTube today, where obviously we have a much bigger audience, and we've already had well over 10,000 results, 10,000 votes, and the results flipped. Although I would argue these results are still very, very hopeful for a party that hasn't even officially launched. So you'll see there, Kemi Badenoch. So what I did

is I listed every leader so that it was fair. I put a picture up and the leader with their party. And you'll see in fourth position, Kemi Badenoch's Conservatives with 5%. In third position, Nick Tancone's UKIP with 7%. In the runner-up position, Ben Habib's Integrity Party, with 30%, and topping that poll, Nigel Farage's Reform UK, with 58%. I would argue, though, 30% for a party that hasn't even officially launched is a pretty good damn start. Although I understand there is criticism about this new party, specifically from Alex Phillips and Lawrence Fox, so I'm delighted to say Ben Habib, new leader of the Integrity Party, joins us now on the superstar panel alongside Father Calvin Robinson.

So Ben Habib, you weren't intending to announce the Integrity Party at all this week, but events have run away from you and it feels like there's already a big amount of momentum. I mean, you saw the results of both of those polls. Even if you take the YouTube result to go from a standing start to 30%, it's pretty damn incredible, isn't it? Can I just say a couple of things on that, Dan, if I may? The first is I'm not leader of Integrity Party. We haven't chosen a leader yet. And one of the reasons I don't want to talk too much about Integrity Party is because it is a very early stage.

We intend to rename the party. Lawyers are drawing up the constitution and a leader has yet to be. And a leader has yet to be appointed. When we get to that stage, then I can talk, you know, nonstop, you know, about integrity to your heart's delight. But I think one of the reasons that Integrity Party, myself, as I was named alongside it, has done so well in your poll, is more to do with the fact that people have now seen through Nigel Farage and what he is,

which you so brilliantly set out actually in your opening remarks to this programme, where you described Nigel as moving colloquially, I would say, from what is the right, which I see the right really as an inappropriate description, but moving away from a pro-British agenda, pro-sovereign, proud, independent, prosperous United Kingdom, making policies for the UK and its people, moving from that vision actually to something where he was even on the record saying the other day that he admired Keir Starmer and he would put Charlie Mullins a remainer forward as a candidate and removed his adversity to illegal migration by saying that not all

illegal migrants would be deported and so on and so forth. So we've seen Nigel Farage move from a pro-British position to actually a much more nuanced, as you rightly pointed out, a kind of hodgepodge of the Liberal Democrats, Labour and the Conservative Party. And, you know, I wouldn't mind him particularly moving economically to the left. One can make that argument. Sort of a Marine Le Pen. Yeah, absolutely. But constitutionally and culturally, there is no room for any movement to the so-called left, because what this country desperately needs is a constitutional revival and a restoration, you might say, and its culture to be also restored. And Nigel Farage is weakening his

position on these two fundamental positions. That's the first problem that Farage has. The second problem Farage has is that he is a narcissist. And I'm in no doubt in my mind that the reason Rupert Lowe was set aside was because he was doing so well for the party. Rupert is a team player. He is not someone who goes out and seeks his ego being massaged. But Nigel Farage's ego is extremely prickly, as it is with most narcissists. So the writing was on the wall for Rupert Lowe when he started doing so well. And Elon Musk pointed out that he'd make a better leader than Nigel Farage would at Reform UK. So there are two things happening with Farage.

He's been revealed for the political expedient he is, that he doesn't actually have a political philosophical framework on which to hang his politics. And he's a prickly narcissist and the other the other thing that is a consequence of of particularly the latter of those two vices that he has is that he hasn't created a proper party uh everyone rightly everyone says to me nigel farage is reform reform. Reform is Nigel Farage. And I agree. That's what it is. That's what it has become. OK, but what about people who say... Ben, what about people who say...

I'm just looking in our live chat at the moment. So, Nigel Parkett taking a comment, who's very disappointed. He's got a sad face and he says, let's just divide the vote and allow Labour back in. So it's not about dividing the vote. First of all, you need to ask yourself, what is it that you're dividing? And I would say a vote taken away from Reform UK as it pivots away from the United Kingdom, away from the kind of rescue that our constitution and culture requires,

a vote away from that party is a vote well taken away. So I don't see it, as I didn't see it splitting the Conservative vote in the last general election because the Conservatives had so fundamentally lost their way. I absolutely refute any argument that somehow Farage offered the solution when he's so demonstrably heading away from where we need him to be. That's the first thing. But the second thing is we're a long, long way from 2029. The key thing that we must now first establish on the political landscape is what do we want our next government to do?

I don't want it doing what Farage is indicating he's going to do. I don't want it, well, I don't really know where Kenny Badenock is. She's really kept her cards very close to her chest. But what I do know is that certainly Rupert Lowe and myself stand unequivocally for a restoration of our constitution and our culture, that we stand unequivocally for a proud, independent, sovereign, united kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Something else that Farage has turned his back on. He doesn't care about Northern Ireland. He is on the record saying he care about Northern Ireland. He is on the record saying he sees a united Ireland as inevitable. And if you can't even define the

democratic unit of the United Kingdom, the unit for which you are standing, the democracy which you want to protect and promote, if you can't define that, if he can't recognise that Northern Ireland is a fundamental part of that democratic unit, he's lost. And that's why I think you've seen the polling result, because people are desperate for a restoration of our country. There are two specific criticisms that I just want to put to you, Ben, because they're both out there in the public domain. The first is in regards to Tommy Robinson. And Lawrence Fox, the Reclaim leader, posted on X, I really admire Ben Habib as a human being. He is a man of integrity, dedication,

and commitment to the betterment of the United Kingdom. I can also understand why he wants to start a new political party, given how unbelievably dire Reform UK are. Nowadays, I apply the Tommy Robinson test to everyone, especially if they want something. The test is very simple. Will you include Tommy in the party? I asked Ben Habib this on the phone 10 days ago. The answer was no. The last thing we need is Reform Mark 2. The original version is bad enough. We need a big tent where everyone is welcome. So is that true that you've ruled out Tommy Robinson being part of the party? Is Lawrence correctly representing your conversation?

So just to say, I love Lawrence every bit as much as he loves me. We're good friends. But I don't think he's quite conveyed what I said to him. He asked me whether I would have Tommy Robinson in the hierarchy of the party. And I wouldn't. I see no need for it. And I don't think Tommy Robinson wants to be in the hierarchy of the party. However, every single British citizen, every single individual in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland that's on the electoral register will be free to join as members of our party. No one will be tossed out as a member of the party simply because they might hold views with which one or two of the members of the leadership disagree. So Tommy Robinson would be welcome? As a member, absolutely. as a member absolutely as a member

there will be no prohibition on anyone joining our party anyone can join even a corbinista can join if they want to and i would have what about running what about i mean look he says he doesn't want to but what about if he wanted to run you know in clacton for example ben the bee so the difference between uh which i have heard people genuinely discuss, by the way, this idea of Tommy Robinson running against Nigel. So the stark difference which will be revealed between the party which I represent, which I'm not leader, as I say,

the constitution will make it very plain that we have checks and balances and processes in place, which will naturally bring forward candidates, naturally bring forward policies. And there will be a collaborative and consensual basis on which all these things are established. That is in stark contrast to reform. And so I'm not going to comment on the candidates that the leadership might wish to appoint in due course, having gone through the processes that the party will set up. And, you know, the processes will bring forward the candidates that will stand. And I also just wanted to put to you what Alex Phillips said, a colleague of yours, former Brexit Party MEP alongside you. And she thinks this is a big mistake, Ben.

She wrote, so Ben Habib has decided he can establish, grow and run a new political party. Let's see how that goes, shall we? And after all his slurs against Nigel, he is the sole director. Ironically, it's also named the Integrity Party. I didn't see much grace and integrity in his bitter diatribes on X that showed an absurd lack of self-awareness. It took Nigel Farage and a dedicated team decades of hard work and sacrifice to gain a political foothold. Ben is about to find out what Realpolitik looks like.

Enjoy splashing in the beginner's pool with all the other funnies. How many are there now? Heritage, Reclaim, UKIP 2.0. The other one, I can't even remember the name of. Setting up an alternative right-wing party is the new businessman's weekend hobby. They should stick to golf or tinkering with old cars. Ben, your response? Well, I love playing golf. I'm not as good as I should be. My handicap should be a lot lower. I think if I practice, I'd be a lot better. But I mean, if she thinks that it's such a fall on and pointless exercise, she should not worry about us. Move on, Alex.

Calvin Robinson, what do you make of the integrity party? I think it's a wonderful idea. I think if Nigel Farage can't find room for people on the right of British politics within his party, they should start their own party. Absolutely. I would have liked Ben Habib to have joined UKIP, which is already established. And with Ben's expertise, it could have helped the party and the right of British politics, but I understand he wants to go his own way. And I fully support him in that. I think it's sad to see Alex Phillips attempting to gatekeep the right of British politics. And she's clearly downing a vast amount of Farage Kool-Aid and actually highlighting the problem with reform and that it's all about Nigel Farage.

It is the Nigel Farage show. And actually, we need more than that. We need better than that in British politics. It's time for a change. It's time to move on from the uniparty. We don't want someone who wants to be a part of the establishment. We want someone who's going to break apart the establishment and create room for ordinary common sense British people and their ordinary common sense British values. Breaking right now,mmy robinson has had his appeal against his deranged prison sentence 18 months for contempt of court for a piece of citizen journalism denied by the judge and of course the mainstream media especially gb news which usually decides that they're going to ignore everything concerning tommy rob, is all over this one. Because when the news is bad for Tommy, when Tommy's free speech is taken away, when there's lawfare against Tommy Robinson, that's when they decide to cover him.

Watch. We've got some other breaking news to bring you. We told you that the political activist Tommy Robinson was appealing against his appeal for early release from prison on the grounds he was sent to prison for eight months on contempt of court. He has lost his appeal this morning. We have just heard he'd been putting this case to the Court of Appeal. Of course, he challenged that sentence for contempt of court on compassionate grounds.

He was claiming that prison segregation is making it hard for him to regulate his emotions. I'll get to Ben Habib and Father Calvin Robinson in just one moment, but I've got to show you this unhinged rant which Mike Parry was then allowed to make on the channel. Because people at home may not quite understand the context of this. His contempt of court was for being told, you are libeling this Syrian refugee

boy in this movie, this documentary that you have made. You've put it on your Twitter account, you've shown it in Leicester Square, we've told you not to play it and you keep playing it. That is what he's in prison for, Mike. Ten breaches. I mean, this is a classic case of where

I feel he's such an irrelevant person. I'm fed up to the back teeth of him. He hasn't got any values which anybody could possibly admire, but he's, unfortunately, he's like an irritating boil on your bum. And you

can't get rid of him. Not an image I cherish. No, no. And you can't get rid of him. Not an image I cherish. No, no, and you can't get rid of him. But I'm fed up with the back teeth of this guy. I mean, you're absolutely right. It's all down to martyrdom. But where I completely dismissed him as a fantasist was when he tried to protest to police on one occasion when he was arrested. Oh, you're arresting me because I'm a working journalist.

A fantasist. I mean, Mike, I'm sorry. He's doing a lot more journalism than you right now, mate. And I say that as someone who likes you, but I hate this whole idea that you have to have been to university to be a journalist. Welcome to the new world of the independent media. Mike Parry wasn't finished there, by the way.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of him. He hasn't finished there by the way listen i'm fed up to the back teeth of him he hasn't got any values which anybody could possibly admire but he's unfortunately he's like an irritating boil on your bum and and you can't get rid of him not an image i cherish no no and you can't remember but i'm fed up with the back teeth of this guy i mean you're absolutely right it's all down to martyrdom. But where I completely dismissed him as a fantasist was when he tried to protest to police on one occasion when he was arrested. Oh, you're arresting me because I'm a working journalist. Sorry, we'll come to that other clip in just a moment.

But another opportunity for you, Father Calvin, to hear what is an unhinged rant from Mike Perry, who I can assure you has not looked into the truth about Tommy Robinson. What did you make of it? I find it quite sad, actually, that there was no due impartiality at GB News. I didn't see any balance on that panel at all. I saw them all saying the exact same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just agreeing with each other in the elitistist snobby mentality I've come to expect from mainstream media and legacy media, which GB News seems to be a part of these days. Bev Turner, Andrew Pearce, all of them on that panel will be smirching Tommy Robinson, who is the only independent journalist, as far as I can see,

that for 20 years has been raising the alarm bells of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. It's an issue that everybody should be screaming about, particularly those people nodding their heads on that panel, instead of dragging him down, because it is the truth that he is working class. He is a former football thug. You know, he has got a violent past, and it has been quite loud and crass. But that doesn't disparage, that doesn't take away from the fact that he is the one raising alarm bells about a very important issue facing our nation and one of very few people that has been raising it for two decades and so for them to say oh yeah this is just because he's he's he's martyred him or this that and the other or he's trying to um play this card or that card no actually it's someone that

cares i want to see more people in public british life that care about young vulnerable white working-class girls that are being groomed and raped by foreign invaders. I think it's despicable for them all to sit there nodding their heads because he's not part of their club, not part of their establishment, not part of their elite, didn't go to the same private schools as them, didn't have journalistic training the same as them. They should be on the pavements with banners with his name on saying,

free speech, free Tommy Robinson, free the independent journalist. We support him. Actually, they are the free speech channel. They are the free speech channel. It should be everything that they believe. And what's so shocking is that Mike Parry wasn't actually finished there. Watch.

At all those points you made, Bev, about, you know, Tommy Robinson couldn't really express himself properly, boys from Newton and all that, but he now thinks that he is, you know, somebody who is expressing himself properly and eloquently and I'm making the argument, millions of people are following me. I find him a blinking nuisance.

I wish we could ignore him because, frankly, I think he's an irritant and he's given far too much time and space. But isn't it, when I was talking about that sign that said, free Tommy Roberts, it's like free Nelson Mandela. He's not Nelson Mandela. Right, Stephen, Mike. Well, Ben Beeb, I mean, it's very interesting to me. Alistair Campbell is on the mainstream media constantly.

He's always turning up to lecture on the BBC, despite having led the UK into an illegal war based on his lies. I would argue that is a past that is far, far more serious than any of Tommy Robinson's misdemeanors. So there seems to be a complete double standard about whether we allow people to serve their time and re-enter public life. Sorry, I've lost you there. Can you hear me, Ben? Yeah, I can. Yeah, so I think it's entirely inappropriate

that Tommy Robinson is in jail, is in prison for this. And it's another sort of gripe I've got with Farage because I think he's totally misunderstood the process which took Tommy Robinson into prison. And what wasn't mentioned in the GB News clip that you just showed was that the most despicable human being, who made the case for illegal migrants coming from Chagos Islands to the United Kingdom, supported the Chagos Islands being handed to Mauritius, represented Gerry Adams and did a whole load of other things, including trying to change the Legacy Act so that former IRA terrorists could get compensation. This man, Lord Hermer, who is our Attorney General, is a really wretched individual and should be nowhere near public office. He is a political appointee. He decided that Tommy Robinson's breach of the injunction from a civil case was of public interest and therefore inserted himself into the judicial process, upped it from being a civil action

into effectively a criminal action, and then directed the courts to arrest, detain and effectively incarcerate Tommy Robinson. And so Tommy Robinson, whether you like him or not, whether you agree with the arguments he's made in the past or not, whether you think he's a despicable human being, I don't know how Mike Parry described him, a boil on his bum or some words to that effect. Whether you think all of that or not is irrelevant. The fact is that it was a political intervention that landed Tommy Robinson in jail. And by my book, there was no reason for the attorney general to intercede in the case. There was no matter of public interest at stake. And he is therefore a political prisoner because it was a politician who decided to intercede in a libel, civil libel and dislikes, and to look at the situation, particularly when it comes to law and order and the criminal justice system, dispassionately and as objectively as we

can. And I'm afraid Tommy Robinson being in prison is evidence of a two-tier criminal justice system. We've seen so much evidence of it. So many people across the political spectrum recognise that two-tier justice system to exist. And yet they are not prepared to identify how it operates when it comes to putting white British citizens in prison. And we've seen the same blind eye turned towards white British citizens in prison. And we've seen the same blind eye turned towards white British citizens and the two-tier justice system being used against them in the aftermath of the Southport killings, when the protesters, people who'd simply tweeted stuff that was, you know, inflammatory,

disgusting, perhaps, but they were rounded up. They were accused of being far right by the Prime Minister. He himself politically interceded in our two-tier justice system, directed the police to arrest all these protesters, many of whom did nothing violent at all, and directed the criminal justice system to incarcerate them. And so I don't know why it's so difficult for people like Farage, for example, to understand that however much he might hate Tommy Robinson, Tommy Robinson is a political prisoner. Now, I don't know Tommy Robinson. I'm not going to apologise for Tommy Robinson's past. And I'm not going to be, I'm not going to chair lead for Tommy Robinson. But I'm

absolutely certain he should not be in prison. Indeed. And look, as you point out, this two tier justice is outrageous. And actually, there's a huge amount of evidence now of the governor of HMP Woodhill lying as part of the judicial process. I covered this court case a couple of weeks ago, but we've got an update on it overnight from Team Tommy Robinson, which I just want to take you through. So they say that HMP Woodhill Governor Nicola Marfleet told Mr Justice Chamberlain, Tommy has three hours out of his cell as part of his regime to use the exercise yard, gym, shower and laundries facilities. In addition, he is offered two hours, four times a week for social visits. She also told Judge Chamberlain he has an additional

2.75 hours out of his cell on three days per week, in addition to his usual three hours per day to work, which is supposed to be painting and decorating, and that he has access to a telephone to make calls to friends and family during scheduled call times, which amount in total to four hours a day. That is what Tommy is supposedly getting as civil prisoner privileges. He is not. We can confirm Tommy had no phone privileges on Tuesday, Saturday or Sunday last week. Tommy had no regime at all yesterday or today. They have stopped it. Why have they stopped it? They have stopped it because his regime was allowed in the separation centre, which is now occupied by jihadists who were separated from each other at HMP Franklin in Durham after Hashim Abidi, the brother of Manchester Arena bomber, attacked

prison guards with boiling hot oil and stabbed them. Now that some of these prisoners from the HMP Franklin jihad gang have been moved into the separation centre, Tommy doesn't get a regime. This frustration plays on Tommy's mind because Nicola Marfleet has managed to get the courts to state his comfy imprisonment as a matter of fact when it's just not true. No regime, no phone calls, constant denials of visitation, a cleaning job, not painting and decorating, and a DVD player given to him a week or so before the judicial review is just misrepresentations and lies that need to be addressed. And what's interesting is Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary for the Tory party, even though he's not specifically

referring to Tommy's case, he is, thank God, bringing a spotlight on the fact that Islamist gangs now control many of our prison wings. And he's saying that indeed that this is down to the ECHR. So I'll get your reaction, Father Calvin, but first, just have a look at what Robert General can say about this. After the brutal attack at the weekend by an Islamist terrorist on three prison officers at HMP Franklin. We've got to ensure that governors step up, take back control of their prisons and contain dangerous people. One of the issues are our human rights laws. The European Convention on Human Rights is preventing governors from putting dangerous people in close supervision centres,

in separation centres, in the places they need to be to stop them harming prison officers and to stop them spreading dangerous Islamist ideology that will radicalise other prisoners. It's time we put the safety of prison officers and the public above the welfare of criminals. Father Calvin, the whole situation is insane, isn't it? And it's especially insane that so many resources are going into keeping Tommy Robinson in solitary rather than dealing with the Islamists who are actually out to kill prison, female prison officers.

Absolutely. Firstly, we shouldn't have Islamist extremists in our prisons. If these people are not from Britain, they should be deported to exactly wherever they came from. And if they are from Britain, we need to address the situation. Why are we breeding so many extremists? It was only a couple of weeks ago that the United Arab Emirates said that eight of the 10 prescribed terrorist organizations that they've banned from their country are based in our country, for goodness sake. So the Mohammedan countries do not want these people in, and we are taking them in ourselves. We are a hotbed for terrorism. We know there are 85 Sharia courts across the UK, which is more than the rest of Europe combined, and we are spreading them throughout Europe. They're coming from Britain. Islamist extremism is coming from our country, for goodness sake. But the other side of this issue is, of course, the political persecution. And for Tommy Robinson to have been in solitary confinement, in isolation, essentially for four months already is despicable.

That is inhumane. It goes against the European Court of Human Rights. But nobody cares when it's someone on the right. It's the two-tiered system that we were talking about. And I think what Ben Habib just said is exactly what I wanted to hear from Nigel Farage along the lines of don't need to like him personally, don't need to like his past, don't need to cheerlead for him, but he is a political prisoner, and I believe in free speech, and he should not be where he is right now. I do support Tommy Robinson, I will cheerlead for him, and I do think it's outrageous that he has not only been imprisoned, and is going to be there for 18 months, but has spent four of those months so far isolated from the rest of the population. And if the problem is Islamist extremism, sort that problem out as well. It's

absolutely stunning to me that British people are being locked up and they cannot spend time in a general population because there's too much, too much Islamist extremism going on in our prisons. Send them home. I mean, Ben Habib, it is extraordinary, isn't it? It's extraordinary. And again, it's just one of these subjects that's just been ignored by the establishment, the mainstream media for years. You know, Islam extremists are running Britain's prisons. That is nuts. Yeah. So can I just say, digress completely for a second? I just want to thank Calvin for his very kind words earlier about me in the program. I meant to say it earlier and I haven't said it,

but Calvin, thank you very much. And it's a pleasure to be on with you. I haven't seen you for ages. I'm not sure whether you're still in the States or back in the UK. I hope you're back in the UK for our sake. But we have adopted a form of Islam there are lots of different kinds of Islam and at the heart of Islam is a particularly challenging problem which is that the Quran is the word of God dictated by the angel Gabriel to the prophet Muhammad so it is the word of God it's perfect it therefore isn't open to challenge. It therefore isn't effectively open to free speech debate. And the ideology can't be torn apart in the way that we're prepared to care all our religious beliefs and ideologies and the protection of our nation

and everything. We're prepared to care. But there's a particularly difficult challenge with Islam and fundamentalists through history and and particularly now, what I would call the kind of Saudi, originated in Saudi, the Wahhabi, the purest fundamentalist form of Muslims, will not deviate from these, from the words of the Quran. And they believe that the Quran is not just a religion, it doesn't just set out a religion. It sets out, and the Hadith and everything that follows set out a political system, a judicial system, et cetera, et cetera. And in this country, in the pursuit of what we think

of being welcoming to the entire world and promoting other cultures, multiculturalism protected by diversity, equity, and inclusion, promoting all these cultures, multiculturalism protected by diversity, equity and inclusion, promoting all these cultures. What we've done, and Calvin touched on it, is somehow taken into our bosom the most fundamentalist forms of Islam. And fundamentalism is only a hop and a skip away from extremism and terrorism. Fundamentalism is where you go when you're on that journey. And the fact that we've now got parliamentarians who are calling for blasphemy laws to be introduced, that we've got a description of Islamophobia put forward by the Labour Party, which effectively

would shut down any form of debate about Islam. The fact that we have got DEI being practiced in not just places of employment, but in prisons, in armed forces, in the police, in our criminal justice system more broadly, is giving cover to this most fundamental and potentially dangerous form of Islam that we have taken into our bosom. And unless and until we wake up to that, unless we wake up to the threat that we have actually created ourselves, we've created this threat. There are lots of lunatics in the world, but we've actually brought them to our shores and we have protected them and encouraged them to go on the way they're going. And unless we wake up to that threat and unless we rediscover, and this is what I touched on earlier about the importance of our constitution and our culture,

unless we can have a more, this isn't quite the right word, but I'm going to say it, form of British culture, a culture which is proud of itself and prepared to go forward and require others, you know, entirely naturally when they come to this country to adhere by our cultural norms, by our Christian norms, even if they aren't Christian themselves. Unless we develop that preparedness, we are going to see this island extinguished in the way that we remember it, you know, certainly when I was a child. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Common sense prevailed, science prevailed, biology prevailed, and the decision by the UK Supreme Court today to be very, very clear about the fact that trans women are not women shames so much of British society, so much of what I describe as the woke clown class who go around calling Dylan Mulvaney a she and who give time of day to this

incredibly insane person, India Willoughby, who posted quite recently, I am a trans woman who's now cis. My transition is over. Reached my destination. I am who I am as the song goes. India Willoughby, let me be very clear. You can dress however you want. You can refer to yourself however you want. But in the name of the law, you are not a woman. And that might be hard for you to swallow. But unfortunately, your extremism over the past few years, your attacks on good women like J.K. Rowling over the past few years has set your movement back decades because we are calling you out for the extremist you are. Now, after this incredible ruling today, I had to take in the mainstream media and I was disgusted. Sly News was a particularly terrible offender. I want to show you this moment where we begin with their Scottish reporter, Connor Gillies, trying to say that this ruling is very complicated. No, it's not complicated,

mate. It's abundantly clear. Biological women are women. End of story. Trans women are not. There's nothing complicated about it. But then what happens is quite awe-inspiring. We'll get reaction, by the way, from Ben Habib and Father Calvin Robinson imminently. But first, watch this. This is hugely complicated. In the last few seconds, I've just received a statement from a leading trans activist, a leading trans person here in Scotland, Ellie Gormasol. She has said, I'm gutted to see this judgment from the Supreme Court, which ends 20 years of understanding that transgender people with a gender recognition certificate are able to be,

for all intents and purposes, legally recognised as our true genders. More details will no doubt emerge in the coming minutes. I'm hearing some activity in the room adjacent to where we are standing at the moment. Let's go through and try and bring some of that reaction to you live here on Sky News. These campaigners packing out the corridors here in central Edinburgh. Let's go and get a flavour of the situation. We'll just come in here.

We'll navigate Cameraman Douglas to see exactly what is happening. We are standing side by side For women's rights are human rights We won't let you forget For women's rights are human rights This isn't old time game. Is that going to be funny? Oh, sorry, it's just giving me goosebumps. have been derided as bigots and transphobes for years by traitors to their own sex, like scheming sturgeon. And what they did was incredible. And what I find so disgusting, you actually cannot hate the MSM enough, because rather than carry the emotional live statements of those women campaigners outside the Supreme Court today, Sly News actually tried to undermine that

unanimous Supreme Court ruling live on air. Watch. Joshua, the ruling you said was clear, and the judge said that this was not a victory for either side, but whilst trans people and trans rights, as the judge acknowledged, are protected in law, how people feel in reality can often be very different to the reality of what is in the law. How do we as a society interpret, go about and react to judgments such as these f you seriously f you what a sick response so sly news is just going to live in their woke clown bubble and

actually not only deny biological reality not only science, but they will also now deny the law. It's astonishing. And what we've seen today are these reverse ferrets from the woke clown class, like the despicable Tom Hardwood on GB News, who has been so on the wrong side of history when it comes to this, who posted, if the Supreme Court had decided anything other than this definition of sex today, it would have thrown up huge problems in how spaces are governed today. The decision has been massively over-interpreted in some quarters. It describes the balance in law as it is. Well, F you too, Tom Harwood, because let me tell you, this decision meant so much because Scotland was

going down this insane path. Women's single sex spaces were not going to be protected. And what was so astonishing is that Harwood was not even prepared to give women, biological women, moment today he's so woke that live on air he decided to correct mansplain to one of the women about which pronouns she should be using to describe a trans guest you're not going to believe this watch of course i'm afraid the language he's using is completely wrong because... Paola, can we just be respectful, please? I'm very respectful. I'm very respectful. I've seen your YouTube channel. It's not very respectful.

I'm afraid I don't use gender language and no one can force me. Well, nobody can force you to do anything, but it's politeness in social settings. Paola, continue. We have freedom of speech in this country paula yeah so this is freedom of speech well done in a millie carver i know she finds it incredibly difficult sitting next to that man he's probably horrified by the way i've just called him a man he's probably gender neutral or pansexual or something like that and actually it was another conversation on gb news that we're trying to be painfully woke that explains why this debate is so nuts so nuts can you give me an example of a service that you might use now that might be now closed off to you uh breast screening so do you have men can get breast screening as well, though, because men can get breast cancer.

But the whole language around it is very feminine coded. The invites out there when I go for breast screening, it's a very feminine orientated place. As people are now going to say, hang on a minute, you can't come in here. I think you should get the health care you need, Joanne. But you don't have to pretend to be a woman to get breast screening if you have risk of breast cancer. Men do not have breasts. We might have moobs, OK, but we have chests.

I've got pecs. You've got pecs. I wish I did, Ben Habib. I wish I did. But, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Sorry, you can see my frustration, my emotion. I mean, Ben Habib, come in here. What do you make of this madness? So we talked about the way we've allowed fundamentalist and extremist Islam to be welcomed, promoted, celebrated, protected and so on in our country. And it's the same form of liberalism that has effectively put a protective blanket around this trans ideology.

And it is an ideology rather than a biological or, you know, sort of a mental health issue, if you think of yourself as a woman. But the protection of trans rights is an ideology that's driven by the same agenda that has welcomed extremist forms of Islam, etc. into our bosom. And funny, I should use the word bosom. And it has its foundations in a good place. The foundations come from, you know, the form of liberal democracy that we used to practice, you know, decades ago, when liberalism, which is the promotion and protection of individual rights, was in a kind of balance with democracy, which is the protection and promotion of the majority's rights. And it's done many good things, liberalism. It emancipated women. And I'm going to come back to that. it emancipated women and i'm going to come back to that emancipated women gave them uh the right to work put them on an equal footing with men

uh etc etc and it gave gays the right to be gay um and it which is an entirely legitimate uh right that they should have yes but gay men have never asked never asked people to deny biological reality, never asked people to deny science, never asked people to change the beautiful English language. Absolutely. And then liberalism went mad. And then liberalism went to the point where you can be whatever you want to be. And it's actually partly because liberalism's gone mad, by the way,

that democracy has been set aside and we and when you when you when you champion liberalism to the point that we have when you promote ideologies as absurd as a man identifying with his woman and actually saying well in that case you can be a woman the only way you can make that work dan and you've touched on it is by shutting down free speech, because it's so patently an absurd proposition that the only way you can make it stick is by telling the majority who see it for what it is, as an absurdity, that you can't actually say what you wish to say, which is why Paula, in the clip that you showed from GB News, was so absolutely right to stick to her guns and say, I will use

the language I believe to be sensible. And because the way they undermine the debate is by hijacking the language, shutting you down, shutting down the majority, hence the expression silent majority, and championing liberalism to the point of extreme madness. Well, indeed. And the thing about the whole pronoun debate is that if we hadn't have had extremists like India Willoughby, or like Leah, who wanted to swim against females, you know, in America, if we hadn't have had people like that, maybe we would have been okay to keep going on with this sort of courtesy or, you know, whatever it was, as Tom Hardwood said, be respectful. But the problem is, it is a slippery

stope. So I will not use people's preferred pronouns now. I will use biologically real pronouns. By the way, by the way, someone has pointed out, and Father Coven, I guess I've got to be accurate here. Apparently men have breast tissue. It is located behind the nipple and in front of the chest muscles. However, I think generally we can say that when people are talking about breast screening, breast cancer, that is clearly aimed at women. We can say that because it's common sense. The vast majority of people who suffer from breast cancer are women. It's a biological thing.

And you're right, we have these absurd people who say, I am a biological female. India Willoughby says this. He says, I am a biological female because I'm a female and I'm biological. It's just the language they use. It's just silly, isn't it? It's nice to see the law recognize just normal scientific truths that women are adult human females. Men are adult human males.

This is something we've always known because we got it from the scriptures that God made them male. God made them female. In his image, he made them. This is just common sense Christian values that we've always known in this country. And both of you are quite right in this, just extremism that's been pushed through liberalism. And we all had to play a game of treading on eggshells.

Like you, Dan, I won't use someone's preferred pronouns or use the pronouns that make sense. I'll use someone's preferred name because that's the society we live in. People can choose their name. But for a man to choose a woman's name is silly. For a woman to choose a man's name is silly. And I won't go as far as you in saying,

you know, people can dress however they want. I think it's absurd and abhorrent for a man to dress as a woman. I don't think it's appropriate. I think it should be frowned upon. I think there should be a social stigma. I don't want to see a man in a dress. What about a sarong?

David Beckham was rightly pleurid for that. It was silly. We all thought it was dark. See, I don't give a damn what people want to wear. Fashion has always been stupid, hasn't it? But I do understand the point you're making. It leads to this, though. Yeah, yeah.

People like Tom Harwood who walk around in a crop top. Yeah, indeed. Now, I also just want to talk about the political dimension of this, because we cannot ignore, Ben Habib, the fact that our leaders, our Labour politicians, were signing up to this madness for a long time. And I just want to read you some examples. There are many I could have picked.

But look at this. Slippery Starmer. The phrase only women have a cervix is something that shouldn't be said. It is not right. Emily Thornberry. It is factually inaccurate to say only women have cervixes. Alex's. Alex Sobel, MP, when he was asked, do you agree that there should be sex segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons? His answer, one word, no. Lisa Nandy, the culture secretary, when asked, should child rapist Christopher Wharton be housed in a women's jail? Now he identifies as a woman. Lisa Nandy replies, I think trans women are women and they should be accommodated in a prison of their choosing. Nadia Witome, Labour MP, the Labour Party should educate those who are ignorant rather than ideological. And if they don't respond to education,

unrepentant transphobes should be expelled and the foreign secretary david lammy those who want to deny males access to women's spaces are dinosaurs who want to hoard rights so our political class ben habib have been desperately irresponsible on this issue completely Completely irresponsible. And, you know, as Calvin said, it's an extreme form, as I said, as we both said, it's an extreme form of liberalism, which in its purest form has to shut down debate because the propositions are so absurd. The only way you can carry them is by shutting down debate. And when you shut down debate and you hijack the English language, you effectively set aside democracy and you end up in a state of play where your rights, the majority, are disapplied. And that's where we are in the United Kingdom. Everyone says there's a threat to democracy from the far right. I'm not really aware of that many far right people in this country. And I don't see the threat coming from the right. I see

the threat to our democracy very firmly coming and indeed delivered. It's not just a threat. The dangers that they pose have in many respects manifested themselves, damaging deeply our democracy through domestic legislation, which shuts down free speech, prohibits you from debating and will soon, I'm sure, reintroduce blasphemy laws if Keir Starmer gets his ways. And in other ways. So, for example, we often hear it said, I'm digressing, but it's absolutely on the point that we can't do this, that and the other in this country because it breaches international law. Or where we were members of the UN or members of this, and the other body which prohibit us from doing it or in the case of Shabana Mahmood who wanted to challenge rightly challenge I don't know whether she really truly wished to but wanted to challenge the sentencing council on making allowances for ethnic minorities. And instead of, you know, passing a law in Parliament, they have a 170-seat majority, 75-seat majority.

She could have passed a law like that and abolished the sentencing council. She wrote a meek letter to them, appealing to them, to please allow her to ignore their advice, their suggestions. Our democracy has been under an assault ever since Tony Blair came to office. Some people say it was before that, but certainly I draw the foundations of the extreme form of liberalism that we practice, the extreme form of subjugation of domestic law to international law, the proliferation of quangos, such as the Sentencing Council, which can't be challenged, which have sort of unelected

bureaucrats with extreme ideologies infesting them. I see all of that coming from Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, Cameron, Theresa May, and their successors. And we need a political party in this country which will set aside all of that and restore the United Kingdom. This is a little party promotion here, but set aside all of that, restore us back to the comfortable situation in which our constitution and our culture existed before Tony Blair. I look forward to hearing about the integrity parties of First Manifesto,

and I know you will be back when you can say much more about it. But do stand by Ben Habib and Father Calvin Robinson, because I do want to talk about this Harry Potter race row. Colourblind casting is now a thing. There's a big new Harry Potter TV series coming, but one of the main characters has gone from white to black and it's caused a debate, shall we say. So we will debate it ourselves in just one minute. But first, the reason you're watching this show is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to trust mainstream media or the so-called fact checkers who claim to determine which facts

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ground.news slash outspoken. But now back to the show. A colorblind casting row has engulfed the new Harry Potter TV series. This is going to be a huge deal. It's got J.K. Rowling's backing, and I believe it will be even bigger than the movies. But of course, huge interest about who is going to play the iconic characters in the film. And many Potter fans disappointed by the fact that Severus Snape will be played in the HBO series by Papa Asidu, a black actor taking the role of the Hogwarts teacher previously played by the late Alan Rickman in the film series adapted from the famous novels. If you are a fan of Potter, you will know that Snape is known as the very smart yet cruel potions master at Hogwarts who has a, quote, large hooked nose and yellow uneven teeth. Now, at the Harry Potter universe, let me read this out. They have said what a massive disappointment. The creators of the show, including J.K. Rowling, said that the TV series

would be a faithful adaptation of the books. Snape is described in the books as being a thin man with greasy shoulder-length black hair, a large hook nose, sallow skin, and cold black eyes. The drawing below was drawn by J.K. Rowling herself, which correlates with how she describes Snape's appearance in the book. They haven't even started filming this TV series, and they have already ruined it, so much for this being a faithful adaptation of the books. So let me bring in Ben Habib and Father Calvin Robinson. Father Calvin, I actually despise colorblind casting, right? Especially in history.

There's a debate on this one, though, because, of course, Harry Potter is a work of fiction. Do you understand why people are disappointed? I do. I've been guilty of this myself. I used to think, well, an actor's an actor, right? And we want a good actor in the role. I used to actually think that Idris Elba would make a very good James Bond. However, I can see that this isn't just about

actors being actors and being colourblind. This is about an agenda. This is the woke agenda of replacement. We see this on every single Netflix series, that the lead character, if they're white, they have to be replaced with someone who's black. It's an over-representation. It's a mischaracterization of our society. It's a pushing of multiculturalism and multi-ethnicity into people's faces. And actually, I find that problematic. So I don't actually think it's about colorblind casting. I think it's about pushing the work agenda.

This is what people are sick and tired of. You know, I unsubscribed from Netflix months, if not years ago at this point. And I think many people are doing similar. It's a shame because people love harry potter and people love these fantasy series i don't think it matters as much with fantasy as it does with history you're quite right there but it does matter because it's about the why not the what and that's why people are getting annoyed yeah because of course look you look at that picture ben habib right of this iconic harry potter film series that everyone

loved and everyone watching it doesn't even feel that old to me what we're probably talking 20 years old ben habib but now the woke class look at that old cast and think oh my god oh my god it's all white it's all white we're gonna be in so much trouble what are are we going to do? And of course, the irony here is that it's J.K. Rowling behind this, who for a long time was cancelled by Hollywood because of her views on what it is to be a woman, confirmed by the UK Supreme Court. So what do you make of this change in the ethnicity of Snapes? I think it's Snapes.

No, I mean, I completely agree with Calvin. You know, before I became aware of the direction of travel, of liberalism in this country and the sinister way it's being used, I would have just looked at the actor as a work of fiction. He's a good actor. She's a good actor. That's fine. But the minute you wake up to what's actually going on and the subliminal messaging and the promotion of the ideology that's subliminally taking place, you realize, actually, it's the same prejudices, it's the same woke that has so damaged women's rights that is promoting this kind of nonsense in the casting of fictional characters. And as Calvin, you know, rightly pointed out in a more kind of more serious way when they replace historical figures with, you know, inappropriate inappropriate ethnicities effectively hijacking history rewriting history for the benefit of minorities and making sure that they feel comfortable a sort

of form of another form of extreme wokeism so i don't think it's good i think the actor whose name escapes me now that played snape he sadly died i thought he was a brilliant actor. Alan Rickman. I thought he was absolutely superb. And he captured Snape. I've read most of the Harry Potter books. I think they got progressively thicker the more she wrote. But I read all the early ones. I think I got to book five before it became too long for me. But they were gripping and Snape was the key part of it and it was his sinister nature that was so attractive and you can't have a sinister nature if you're a you know nice looking good looking young black guy you've got to be Snape yeah exactly I mean I have to be honest yes please please come back I've got a few actor friends. They take a lot of pride in their craft.

They spend a lifetime perfecting it, actually. And so they're very pleased when they get a key role, especially a lead figure like Professor Snape, because it means they're good at acting. This takes away all of that. This dilutes that. This undermines that, because people will forever be thinking, did I get this because of the colour of my skin?

That's the faux mentality that we've got to go back to people being good at their job and being promoted because of that, rather than these immutable characteristics that we cannot change. Well, of course. And if we do not accurately represent history in art, then I think we've got a real problem. I mean, Ben Habib, my favourite TV show of all time, right? Of all time. No one is going to ever change my mind that Mad Men is the greatest TV series ever made, right? It just is, hands down. I'm obsessed with it still to this day. Again, not made that long ago. We're probably talking 15 years or something now. But that series wouldn't be made today because they didn't do colorblind

casting. They accurately represented what life was like in Madison Avenue in New York in the late 50s and 60s, which meant that in the early series, the only time that you saw a black person was when they were the lift attendant, you know, the person pushing the button in the lift. Now, of course, you saw the social change by the end of the series, which came about 10 years later. But I just know for a fact, Hollywood would never make that show now. It would be considered too politically incorrect. Absolutely. And I think the way they treated their women would be unacceptable as well. I mean, it's absurd. I think I watched Aladdin, the new version of Aladdin, when my children were little.

My children are now 25 through to 22. But I watched the Aladdin film with Will Smith, if you might recall it, 2010 or something, when they were little. And it came on the other day and there was a warning, a warning about how it, you know, included things that we might find offensive. This is an animated film with Will Smith playing the genie. And I just couldn't get my head around it. I mean, it's just, we're getting mad. And, you know, without wishing to come back to a subject we've already discussed, when a country needs a Supreme Court to define what is bleedingly obvious, you know, we know we've got a real problem.

Yeah, indeed. And I also just wanted to quickly show you this column from earlier in the week by Anaya Falaran Aman. She was a former colleague of ours at GB News, Father Cowan, but she'd always pushed back on this concept of anti-white racism even existing. And then this week she posts on X, I've written for The Telegraph about how I've changed my mind about the phrase anti-white racism as it's becoming increasingly difficult to ignore what looks like a growing pattern of institutional discrimination against white Britons. And she says competence, not racial preference, should be the most important quality in gaining admission to the police force. Did you like seeing this U-turn from Anaya? I haven't actually seen that, but I fully support that, absolutely. I like Anaya on a personal level, but she's far more woke than I am on a lot of these issues.

So it's good to see people that I consider woke waking up to the fact that there is anti-white racism in a lot of our institutions. In fact, people often say British institutions are systemically racist. I think, yeah, they probably are, but against British white nationals, that's the problem. They're undermining the native population at left, right and centre. And so if people are waking up to that, perhaps the institutions will have to respond in kind and therefore stop the two-tiered system, whether it's the police force and the judiciary, or the politicians, or even the legacy media, all across the board, we're seeing this and it has to stop. Ben Habib, do you agree that anti-white racism does exist?

Absolutely. It's part of our regulatory and legal framework. Diversity, equity and inclusion, which is a regulatory framework that my company has to adhere to under direction from the London Stock Exchange, from our shareholders, from our lenders, they all require it. All the regulatory authorities require it. One of the most pernicious authorities at the heart of the British economic ecosystem is one called the Financial Reporting Council, which acts as the regulator for accountants and actuaries and so on. And it says you've got to practice DEI. All its members have to practice DEI, but that's not sufficient. All its members need to ensure that all parties with which they deal also practice DEI, but that's not sufficient. All its members need to ensure that all parties with which they deal also practice DEI. And that's how they've made it systemic. That's how they've got

it right across the entire fabric of the United Kingdom, educational establishments, armed forces, public services, you name it, everyone's practicing DEI because all the regulatory bodies, all the framework in which we operate requires this progressive discrimination in favor of minorities, whether that's ethnic minorities, religious minorities, transgender ideology, any ethnic minority has progressive discrimination in its favor. And of course, the most obvious application that we see of it is progressive discrimination in favor of ethnic minorities. And of course, the most obvious application that we see of it is progressive discrimination in favour of ethnic minorities. In other words, people who look a bit like me, are a bit brown, and look a bit like Calvin, and don't look like you, Dan. And that is racism.

Progressive discrimination is racism. And we now famously, I think we all know that the individual most prejudiced against is my father is Pakistani and Dan, you would have been in that bracket. But for one reason. And Calvin, you, too, would have been in that bracket. But for one, I don't know. You're probably not middle aged, Calvin. I don't know. But maybe you're not, Dan. I don't know. Are you guys over 40? I am, sadly. Sadly. But great to know that you think Father Calvin looks a whole lot younger than me, Ben Habib. I'll have your guts for gosses on that later. But no, I'm the oldest one. I'm the oldest one on the show. That's for sure. Well, look, you both are brilliant today. Thank you so much, Ben Habib.

Thank you for just clearing everything up around the Integrity Party. Not the leader as yet. So I apologize for that, but I really look forward to you updating us as your plans become clear and father Calvin Robinson, you know, I always love having you. So thank you. Thank you both so much.

And huge amount of feedback coming in today, by the way, thank you for your super chats and the people that are joining outspoken plus who did we have today? Simon Brandy. He actually suggested, Ben Habib, that maybe you could recruit Douglas Murray to the Integrity Party, which is quite a good idea. And Yam's Physical Catalogue said that you should welcome Tommy Robinson too. And hello to Katrina Williams and Natasha Ann that joined Outspoken Plus as well.

More comments from you. Timo UK said reform built its foundation off the back of patriots very quickly. We can do the same again with another party. But Madison Hampton disagrees. Madison says, Ben Habib, you have said narcissist about Nigel Farage so many times already. Let us see you and Rupert Lowe prosper with your integrity party. It's four years to go to a general election in the UK, actually. So they sort of did agree there. Okay, Union Jackass time now. Big nominations today from you. Connor Gillies, the Sky News Scottish, or Sly News, that's what I call them, Scottish

correspondent nominated by Muriel MBE for their nastiness towards biological women. I showed you that at the top of the show. Dr. Scholler nominated by Dr. Wilf for being a grifter who's playing the rice card. And it's only me, 44, nominated by, oh, sorry, nominated John Swinney for approving a £20,000 rise for ministers.

Okay, the results are in. 21% of you chose Conor Gillies. 33% of you went for John Swinney. But today's Union jackass, Dr. Scholler. And there could only be one group of greatest Britons today. Congratulations to four women Scotland who stood firm and fought for women's rights, also nominated by Muriel MBE. And in fact, let me just get what JK Rowling had to say about this. She posted, it took three extraordinary, tenacious Scottish women with an army behind them to get this case heard by the Supreme Court. And in winning, Dove protected the rights of women and girls across the UK. For Women's Scotland, I'm so proud to know you.

And For Women's Scotland replied to J.K. Rowling saying, thank you for everything. And in later posts, J., JK Rowling confirmed that she had donated money to this group. Now coming up in the uncancelled after show, we move to Substack www.outspoken.live. Big one today because Prince Harry has spoken for the first time about Meghan Markle's business to Buster in an unhinged new cover interview in People magazine. What we're going to do is decode his deranged claims with the Royal YouTube sensation, P. Diner. P. Diner, sorry. www.outspoken.live is where you can sign up to watch. But we are back tomorrow, 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hit subscribe if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble. And most importantly, as ever, I promise to keep fighting

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