Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE NOW UK'S MOST POPULAR POLITICIAN AS SCANDAL STARMER SLAMMED BY STEPHEN FRY

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

It’s official – Nigel Farage is now the most popular politician in the country. In his Digest, Dan reveals how the Reform UK leader can use his growing personal strength to change Britain forever. Then his Superstar Panel, Charlie Sansom and Alex Armstrong, weigh in. PLUS: As the MSM continues to cover up Starmer’s big secret, even loyalists like Stephen Fry are turning. AND: The end of Sly News nears. To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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so no spin no bias no censorship i'm dan'm Dan Wootten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 71. Hit subscribe because this is a brand new independent news source. Turn on your notification bell, then you'll be supporting us and alerted about brand new live shows, uncancelled interviews and special royal episodes. Now today, it's official. Nigel Farage is now the most popular politician in the country. Who is the most favourable of the party leaders? And oh, how very, very strange. We find that Nigel Farage is now more popular with the British public than Keir Starmer, Ed Davey,

Rishi Sunak, and certainly more popular than any of the current Conservative leadership candidates who most of the country have never, ever even heard of. Now, so in my digest today, I'll reveal how Nigel can use his growing personal strength to change Britain forever. Then my superstar panel, it's a good one this Friday, Charlie Sansom and Alex Armstrong weigh in. Also on the way, as the MSM continues to cover up Starmer's big secret, even loyalists like Stephen Fry attorney. He's been a big Labour man, a pro-Labour man. What do you think about the first hundred days? Have gone exactly as you'd expected. Disastrous. I mean, it does seem extraordinary, doesn't it? One thing I agree with Stephen Fry on. And with

failing sly news set to be shut down due to plummeting ratings and revenue, is it really the end of moments like this? Sit down there! Stop f***ing around! Yes. Well, Beth is here.

You can see Boris Johnson's speech, what happened. And Beth's about to be out of a job. Then in the uncancelled after show after a triumphant return yesterday is Catherine, the new People's Princess. Royal expert Lee Cohen here for that. And you can register to watch on our own website right now, www.outspoken.live. Your support at just £5 a month not only gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday, it allows me to continue making this independent daily news show. But now, let's go. Something is changing. I'm confident of this, you know, there is a revolution coming to the UK. Slippery Starmer, in just 99 catastrophic days, has failed. The alternative is becoming clear and in places you least expect,

like this result in Scotland overnight, where they beat the Tories for a council seat. Wow. And remember, the reform revolution has only been rolling for four months. Yet Nigel Farage has now proven he is, quote, the most popular party leader in the country. And, and, he's got the receipts to back it up, folks. It's a funny old thing, the media. Here's one of today's headlines. Keir Starmer now as unpopular as Nigel Farage.

Goodness gracious me, how low can you sing? This must be absolutely awful. Big headlines from a YouGov poll published yesterday. But there's another way of looking at it. Who is the most favourable of the party leaders? And, oh, how very, very strange. We find that Nigel Farage is now more popular with the British public than Keir Starmer, Ed Davey, Rishi Sunak, and certainly more popular than any of the current Conservative leadership candidates

who most of the country have never ever even heard of. Now, of course, I'm delighted to be the most favoured, the most popular party leader in the country, but believe me, this is certainly not just about me. It's about our five MPs, the work they're doing. It's about our growing membership, 90,000. We're up over 80,000 from this time last year, and it's growing quickly. People paying their 25 quids, getting on board, organising themselves in branches,

getting ready to fight English County Council elections, Welsh Parliament, Scottish Parliament. We're gearing up. We're doing well. Of course, we stand for the right things. We can't have Albanians that have been deported twice from Britain driving around London in 300 grand Ferraris, sticking two fingers up to the country. And we'll never deal with any of this stuff unless we leave the ECHR.

We're the only party committed to that and actually believes in that. The only party so far. Anyway, and look, you know, I observe this stuff very closely and I do believe the tectonic plates in conservative politics are changing. So very small example of that. But in the past, Sveala Bravman, the former Home Secretary, would only appear on my old GB News show, but never the other primetime hit hosted by one Nigel Farage. Last night, it changed. But I do think this reflects a broader and more profound issue on campus and indeed throughout society where, you know, if you're on the centre-right, if you're a conservative, if you're pro-Israel,

if you want to talk about, you know, if you want to talk about immigration, about controlling immigration, you know, you are branded far-right. And these far-left extremists, who are frankly out of control because of craven authorities and appeasement, frankly, by those who have power, have become bullies and they're silencing students on campus, they're silencing academics, and they're creating a very chilling atmosphere whereby freedom of speech is being snuffed out.

How do we get the pendulum to swing back the other way, or do we have to live with it? Well, maybe one way to do that is the two of you uniting. And personally, I think Superwoman Suella should jump ship to reform where she is the shadow Home Secretary they desperately need. So far, she's been quiet on the Tory leadership race, where Robert Jenrick, who I believe will and should win, is targeting Farage by talking tough. Shadowing Farage or just being a sort of pale imitation. Why not just vote Farage? Well, firstly, the reason Nigel Farage is saying those things is because he's rattled. He is worried. He is worried. Doesn't look that rattled. Well, he's talking about me a lot. And he's worried that having a leader of the Conservative Party

with my track record and with the policies and agenda that I stand for will be very difficult for them. It will make them redundant because we'll suck the oxygen away from them. And we will be the serious party that is intent on securing our borders, tackling crime, strong defences, the things that reformed voters care about.

But also, the polling suggests that in addition to that, bringing home those reformed voters back to their natural home, the Conservative Party, I am best placed to bring back the Lib Dem and the Labour voters. And that is what's important, because we've got to be that broad church. We've got to get back into government. That means bringing people back from all over the political spectrum. But as Nigel has said, it's tough to out-Farage Farage.

And his political takedowns of both Tory contenders has been brutal. But I have to be honest, brilliant. He dismantled Kemi Badenoch in just 12 seconds. I'm pretty confident that if it's Kemi Badenoch she'll fall flat on her face pretty quickly. She's one of the most inconsistent politicians in Westminster. What she says and what she does are two very different things. But perhaps for good reason it takes him three times as long to explain why generic is the wrong choice ultimately. He appears to be a convert uh to my kind of politics he he now gives speeches walking around the stage um but you need robert the charisma to carry it off if you want if you

if you want lessons in being nigel farage i promise you i don't charge that much money for doing it but but i tell you what if he sticks to this if if he wins with the membership, which he may well do on this issue of the ECHR, he will find over half his parliamentary party viscerally opposed to it. And my guess is that, Jenrick, if he wins, he might make a brave stab at it on policy, but they'll do for him within a year. So if Farage's YouGov polling continues as it is, I think we're about to enter a new era of Farage. The establishment slayer. And I have to say, I am here for it. But now, it's time for our Friday Superstar Panel.

And I am absolutely delighted today to welcome in the political commentator Alex Armstrong and the host of ex-uncensored Sunday nights on Elon Musk's platform, Charlie Sampson, the birthday boy. Happy birthday, Charlie. Happy birthday to me. Yes, thank you very much. And I'm very sorry for forgetting yesterday. But Alex, what do you reckon? Nigel Farage now the most popular party leader in the country. Is this a big deal? I'm not surprised if I'm being honest with you, Dan. I mean, let's look at the calibre of party leaders that we've got. I mean, currently, Rishi Sunak, one of the most unpopular modern prime ministers. He's still leader of the Conservative Party. Let's not forget that.

On the opposite side, you've got Keir Starmer. Again, even more unpopular than Rishi Sunak was when he called the election. So realistically, it's not a tough competition, if we're being fair. But in terms of Nigel Farage, well, he's sweeping up votes because people are looking around the political spectrum and saying, who is actually talking any sense who is putting forward policies that british people actually want to have enacted in our country and that's nigel farage he's talking about very sensible things and let's let's get real as much as i really do like the fact that the tories are starting finally to shift to the right

robert jenrick and kemi badenoch are only coming to this sort of moral dignity of realising that immigration is too high. Now, it's taken them all this time to realise that we should leave the ECHR, that we should tighten up immigration. Let's not forget Kemi Badenoch in Parliament said that she accepted the fact she wanted more people to come over here on visas. So, you know, I'm not surprised, Dan. I'm not surprised. I welcome it. I think we're going to see reform do exceptionally well over the next few years. The real question is, will Jenrick be able to keep his party together? Will he be able to realistically take the Conservative Party to the right and keep it there? And I don't know in the long run, no matter how many great things that he's saying, how many

things that I agree with, and I do agree with him on a lot of things today, but how long will he last? You know, there's already rumours online that he'll be the next IDS. And I think Nigel Farage has really taken this space. He's taken the right wing space. He owns it. And for that, people are giving him the credit he deserves, which is a man sticking by his principles. Charlie, you're not as certain as Alex and I. Is it fair to say? That would be fair to say. I'm not in total agreement with what Alex has said. I do empathise with his perspective because I think it's more hopeful than pragmatic or even realistic. Because I see Robert Jenrick sounding more like Nigel Farage than what Nigel Farage sounds like.

So whilst Nigel makes these quips that he'll give out lessons to Jenrick about how to be more like him. Let's think about this. At least Robert Jenrick is saying he's committed to deportation. I haven't heard Nigel say that. That's something that would appeal to his base. Well, he said the opposite. Actually, he said he's not committed to mass deportations. Robert Jenrick said he's not committed. No, sorry, Farage. Farage.

That's the point I'm making. Yeah, like Nigel's not for it. But Robert Jenrick has said they'll deport 100,000 illegal migrants and get the net figure down to 10,000. Look, I know we've heard it all before. We are very unhappy Conservatives. I get that. Most Conservative voters are unhappy because they're not Conservative. But if he was to pull this off, it's a massive win for the Tories. And Nigel even needs to catch up to that reality or he's going to get taken over by a party which he should be demolishing right now. Because Charlie, on a personal level, you were a member of the Conservative Party. You quit as a result of their policy prescription, would that potentially woo you back into the Tory fold? It's a lovely idea. It's a question that I get asked very often. The answer is no. I've been asked to come back to the conservative party multiple times by multiple different politicians and i've always said no based on the covid stuff those people that enacted

those lockdowns the attempt at vaccine mandates the attempt at vaccine passports most of them are still there so there's no way i'd go back under this this form of a conservative party if you get rid of them all and it's a complete clear out and a fresh start, maybe. But it's a big maybe. No, no, no, exactly. And that's why, and I'm sure Alex, you agree, that's why at the moment,

reform isn't perfect. No political party is perfect. But as Farage said in that clip that I played in the Digest, he does actually believe in this. Leaving the ECHR, that's in his core he's fought for this for decades yeah i mean look nigel farage has been the the the anchor of the conservative party he has moved that party more than any politician has in decades i mean let's not forget

ukip you know if it wasn't for ukip, we never would have had a referendum on the EU. And that is thanks to Nigel Farage. The same as the Brexit election with Boris Johnson. Johnson never would have had that majority if it were not for Nigel Farage. And we see what happens in British politics when Nigel Farage gets involved. He is responsible for demolishing the Tories in the last election. It's his rhetoric and his commitment to his values that people actually look at and say, well, that's a man I know I can trust with my vote because he has, on the record, multiple times said that his policy stance hasn't changed. So I think that's something that he has that no other politician in this country has. And look, when it

comes to mass deportations, Nigel Farage's point was pretty clear. He said that actually it can't happen. And it can't happen for multiple reasons. One, because the civil service would need to get behind it. We need to start with that first. Not only that as well, but there's got to be appetite amongst the vast majority of British people for that to happen. And there's also a very nuanced perspective when we talk about mass deportations. Robert Jenrick's talking about deporting 100,000 people. Well, let's not forget Tony Blair used to do that. That's Blairite policy.

So we have to put this all into perspective. We've lost perspective because our political class for the last 15 years have ignored the will of the people to reduce immigration and not deal with this. And it's been this creep to the left because, I'm sorry, the Conservative Party ended as a centre-left party, actually a party to the left of New Labour. But breaking right now, perhaps the only person who can stop Nigel Farage's charge to number 10, one Boris Johnson, who is very much on the comeback trail. So former Spectator editor Fraser Nelson had this piece in today's Daily Telegraph.

It's headlined, I've glimpsed the next conservative psychodrama, the return of Boris. November 2nd may not mark the end of the Tory leadership traumas and XPM still has ambitions. And I think it's worth me sharing with you some of what Fraser Nelson writes. So he says, the idea of a Boris restoration may sound like fantasy, but the seemingly impossible has been happening rather a lot in politics lately. And in this era of comebacks from Michelle Barnier to Donald Trump, it's unwise to rule anything out or assume that the current Tory leadership battle will be the final say on who leads the party into the next election. Then he says, if Reform UK continues to grow in support

and Tory polling fails to break through the 30% mark, then you can see what a re-elected Boris might argue. That only he can see off Farage just as he did in 2019, reassemble the grand coalition of voters. His case would be stronger if generic wins, adopts Farageist policies and still gets nowhere. But Fraser Nelson adds, then again, Britain tends not to forgive its politicians. David Cameron's exhumation can hardly be seen as a great success. They must come back in different forms. Tony Blair is now a successful lobbyist. Rory Stewart, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Ed Balls are part-time broadcasters. George Osborne is a part-time financer and recently helped sell The Spectator, which is now edited by Michael Gove. But such

resurrections happen outside politics. Those in Westminster seldom work. So I think what we've got going on here, Charlie, is a personality issue versus a politics issue. Because I completely sign up to the fact that politics-wise, in the end, Boris, who I always give huge credit for delivering Brexit. And I think he goes down in history as the man who was able to get that through Parliament. And, you know, I'm personally a fan of Boris. I know, Charlie, like you, I'm going to be reading Unleashed, the book, today. But politics-wise, by the end of his reign, he had moved too far to the left. He wasn't dealing with the big issues like immigration.

He was behind nut zero. So that's the politics. But the personality, Charlie, is that Boris gets forgiven on a lot of that policy stuff. And if he returns to the fold, that is the biggest genuine threat to Nigel Farage, is it not? I believe so. And I think that Boris is one of those people where he is hard to dislike you can I mean I've got grievances with some of his handling of Covid obviously we discussed that a moment ago but him personally I find him extremely entertaining and I find him fascinating to listen to I think he's brilliant to hear talk even if he did does mumble and stumble around his

words one thing I would say about the Fraser Nelson article that you just quoted from there is that Fraser is either being disingenuous or he's made a mistake by saying that Boris saw off Nigel. Nigel made a deal to give Boris the 2019 general and not compete against him. And when it comes to politicians that aren't forgiven, even before we started doing the show today me and

alex were talking off air saying that we actually don't mind some of the things that tony blair is saying that goes to show you how far the right has fallen if me and alex are saying that tony blair is suddenly a good egg i'd take his 1997 tax policy look just before you weigh in alex i want to show you because charlie's referring to those great Boris moments. And he had another one with Stig Abel on Times Radio who was having a go at him. Somewhat ironically, given Stig Abel admits himself that he's a scruffy dresser. I used to work with him. That is true.

But he's having a bit of go at him about being a scruffy dresser. And Boris does what Boris always does and manages to in a fun way turn it around to attack Keir Starmer over Lord Ali. You are a scruffy git, Boris Johnson. You're known for being a scruffy git. I'd rather be a scruffy git than take suits paid for by a Labour donor

who is then given a pass to number 10 worth thousands and thousands of pounds and then not hand the money back when you're exposed. How have people said to you, come on, Boris Johnson, you're too scruffy to be prime minister. Sort your act out. Has anyone ever said that to you? You, Stig, from your vantage point, the moral high ground that you claim in your black T-shirt, your scruffy jeans, your baseball boots, that only you have felt sufficiently impersonate to say that.

No one has ever said to you you're too scruffy? Nobody. In your life? No, not a single Conservative make-through. Even your wife? Nobody has said that. And by the way, you are scruffist. You are discriminating against those. I think that you are in danger of being prejudiced,

not just against those who want freedom and independence and believe in Britain. I think you are clearly scruffist. You discriminate against people who, through no particular fault of their own, find that their back is so configured that their shirt comes out from the back of their trousers. And there will be many, many people who think that that's unfair and elitist and wrong, particularly from somebody who is not making any particular effort, as far as I can say, to wear a tie himself.

And I repeat my point, in case you missed it earlier, I would rather be a scruff than take suits from Lord Ali and indeed allow my wife's clothes to be bought by some other guy and then not hand the money back when you're exposed. I think it's ridiculous. Alex, don't you miss him? He is absolutely brilliant, isn't he? And I think this is, I mean, you're going back to what Charlie was saying. He is a threat.

He's a threat to every politician. This is why Sue Gray and Keir Starmer were so keen to get him out of parliament, because he is so charismatic. He's funny. He's relatable, even though he's not on an elite level. Boris is one of the most famous people in the country. But he's so relatable he's funny and he's just able to to even if you have political disagreements with him which i have many watching that i'm like gosh i really do miss him and it's ridiculous to say that but but he has

that he is what i would say the british trump in many ways trump does does so well in America because he is relatable. He does just say it as he sees it. And people love that because politicians in our country for so long have been so robotic and so corporatist that they don't have, you would think that they were robots. They don't have any humanity. Boris shows his humanity. He shows his personal side. And Farage is quite similar. he's a little bit more hard hitting but those two guys together would be the ultimate weapon in any election you can imagine what a party with Nigel Farage and of course that is the discussion isn't it but who would be the PM and who would be the deputy you know given Nigel sees a realistic path to number 10 should

he really have to play second fiddle to Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson obviously sees a Churchillian comeback because we all remember Churchill booted out after World War II, somewhat harshly actually, by the British public. I think it's fair to say given what he did to beat Hitler but then did make that return in the years before his death. But look, whoever leads the Conservative Party, they've got real trouble because of these awful wets, these awful Tory wets who I think actually just need to go and join the Liberal Democrats finally. 100%.

F off out of this party because it is not yours. Look at this front page of the Daily Times. Can I nominate somebody to go to the Liberal Democrats first of all? Oh, sure. Albie Amankona. I knew that. He is backing Kemi Badenoch. Actually, he is backing Kemi Badenoch,

which I think for some people has been a sign of, I'm not going to back Kemi kemi but look front page of the daily telegraph today tory centrist warn they may bin leadership ballots cleverly supporters claim they will spoil their votes after their surprise exit of their contender and the story reads moderate conservatives threatening to throw away their ballots uh one supporter of james cleverly said moderate members told him they were putting their ballot papers in the bin. But look, Alex, these are the people who need to get in the bin. These are the people who need to leave the Conservative Party because they are not conservative.

Yes, and it's not just the supporters, the members, but it's the people in CCHQ. Let's not forget they're the ones who select who gets put into a seat they're the ones who run all of the of the of the back end of the show which is the real circus that has been the conservative party for the last 10 years they're the ones that need to go before anyone else does because that party will never change while the wets are running the back shop now the supporters of the members, I watched a lot of Tory party conference and you just saw this massive, massive swell of support for Tom Tugendhat.

And I was sitting there thinking, gosh, this is a man who is pretty wet, pretty wet. I mean, putting him as Conservative Party leader would hand reform decades of power, in my opinion. But, you know, I could not agree more with you dan that is the only way the conservatives will ever be conservative again is when they say actually

this is no longer what our party stands for but will they do that i don't know well well look if generic wins it's going to be really interesting because he is insisting that he's not going to move the party to the center and in this this new interview with The Sun's Harry Cole overnight, he has been very, very clear. I'm going to show you the clip. He has been very clear that if these moderate wets, these one-nation wets, refuse to agree to leaving the ECHR, then they're out.

They're out of the party. Now, is it just tough talk? I don't know, but have a look at what he had to say. One example, it's your headline sort of flagship policy to leave the ECHR without a referendum, just do it, make it party policy, make it happen. Will you require, should you win, every single member of your shadow cabinet

to agree to that before you give them a job? Well, I want to use this leadership election to have a mandate for that. So the membership will, I hope, support me in this because they understand how important it is to get a grip on this. And then it will be added to the stable of Conservative Party policies.

But would you allow your shadow cabinet ministers not to sign up to that flagship issue and serve in your team? Well, I want a broad church, but we've got to have a common creed. We've got to have a sense of what does the party actually believe in, and that would be one of our party's policies, absolutely. So if we win the next election, we do it on a manifesto that commits to that.

So anyone who stands at that election obviously would be supporting that policy. So every candidate at the 2029 election, or wherever it was going to be, would have to sign up to the generic mantra of leave the ECHR. Yeah, it would be one of our policies at that election. That's going to be an issue, though, isn't it? Because lots of your MPs, your colleagues,

don't want to leave the ECHR. In fact, they did quite a lot, it seems, yesterday to try and stop you going through to the members' votes purely on that issue that they don't want to have this fight. Well, firstly, I don't agree with that. I think that there is now a growing consensus that the ECHO is just not working in the interests of the British people.

You see that now. Even my opponents in this contest have said that we need to reform it. My point is that reform is impossible. In fact, it's a fantasy. There's 46 member states, from Andorra to Iceland to Turkey. You're never going to get agreement between them all as to what we should do to fix this.

So you've got to leave. It's leave or remain. I'm for leave. I'm for leave too. Charlie, I think it's a really effective message. I mean, God knows what happens,pped it now to a third of the parliamentary party to spark a leadership contest. And actually, given most of the parliamentary party is pretty wet, that could happen very quickly. Well, the Conservatives will do what they do best,

which is pretending that they're your friend and then putting the knives out when your back is turned. So he won't last long. One thing I would say, just to kind of dispel any hope that you might get from Robert Jenrick, your friend and then putting the knives out when your back is turned so he won't last long um one thing i would say just to just to kind of dispel any hope that you might get from robert jenry those who are watching the show today is that the conservatives committed to us a reduction in immigration they haven't done that ever and now they want to commit to ripping up legislation at

the echr to make it more possible when even the Rwanda scheme was opposed by some members of the Conservative Party. So they're not unified on immigration. For some reason, they want more, and I don't get it. I will never understand why they want this open door. They're just like Labour, and I think that voting for the Conservatives in any sense would be a waste of a vote. Breaking right now, Sc scandal Stammer, whose big secret

is still being covered up by the mainstream media and the Westminster elite. Let's just think about that. He's joking about it in Parliament. All of the journalists are talking about it. All of the special advisors

are talking about it. All of the Snivel service members are talking about it, but they don't think you should know. I just want to put that out there. But Starmer, to take care, he is very quickly losing friends. Because even Stephen Fry,

big time Labour supporter, had slammed his first 100 days in office as disastrous. Watch this. He's been a big Labour man, a pro-Labour man. What do you think about the first 100 days? Have they gone exactly as you'd expected? Disastrous.

I mean, it does seem extraordinary, doesn't it? Because you think you're in opposition. You've got a bit of time to get things together. You're not sure when an election will be called. It was slightly earlier than anybody imagined, as we know, in the famous rain-swept scenes in Downing Street. But the one thing you do is you say, look at what happened. Look at what happened with Boris and everyone else,

the spads, you know, the special advisers, the civil service, Dominic Cummings, all these people. Look at the infighting. It is a mystery that they could have allowed themselves to get into this mess. And then this, of course, only highlights the policy hiccups. I mean, they'll start talking about the blob before long because obviously Treasury and civil servants will say,

well, I understand, Minister, you want to do this, but here are the problems. And they go, all I hear from you are problems. I mean, Alex Armstrong, when you've lost Stephen Fry in 100 days, this guy ain't doing five years, is he? There's no way Starmer survives five years. I cannot see it. I really can't. I mean, look, the first 100 days of this Labour government, as Stephen Fry rightly said, and I very, very rarely agree with him, it has been an unmitigated disaster we've had the starting off winter fuel payments all the way through to sue gray his chief of staff that he heralded as she

brought he brought her in being sacked now she doesn't even have a job and we don't know what's going on with her severance pay and all this nonsense it has been an unmitigated disaster in number 10 behind closed doors as well as on the front benches as well. So I cannot see a world where Labour, as a party with a majority who've only just got into power after being sent to the backwash for 14 years, are going to want to lose the next election. And I think you're going to see a challenge by someone like Angela Rayner, who's been very, very quiet as of late. I don't know if you've noticed, but I think you'll see that challenge happen in the next couple of years. But I think to do that,

some big stories will have to break down. And I think you know which ones I'm talking about. And once the Reverend Starmer, the man of probity, who sat on his high horse for so long, is finally brought down to reality where he should be, I think the public will turn against him.

Well, the thing that outraged me this week, because I know what these people in the Westminster swamp are like, they laugh at us. They laugh at ordinary folk. They treat us like fools. But I was absolutely dumbfounded that Starmer decided in PMQs to make a joke about the scandals that he is hiding. In case you missed it, this is what happened. Well, I'm not sure just at the moment going to something that's labeled temptations is quite where I'd like to go. I mean, Charlie's handsome. It's extraordinary, isn't it? I mean, it's my kind of humour, so I did find that quite funny. I can't lie to you.

But it doesn't look good. You are right. It doesn't look good. I think he doesn't have much self-awareness, does he, dear old Keir? And, you know, like you said earlier on, when reality hits him, it's going to be, you know, the shock that he needs as alex was saying rather um so you know i i don't know i find i find this

all a bit theatrical me personally i'm not actually that bothered about kia's scandals because unless he's a murderer a rapist or a pedophile i'm not entirely sure what we're worried about if he's you know like the country's in in disay, the country's in bad shape. We shouldn't really be concerned about this right now. Maybe when the sun is shining, we can care about its private life. Well, the thing is, I do respect that position. I actually do respect that position. What my issue is, is hypocrisy.

And the thing is, Alex, we had five years, five years, where the Labour Party, led by Keir Starmer, weaponised Boris Johnson's private life day after day after day. He was asked about it constantly. Now, given he's now laughing in Parliament about these so-called temptations, why does a journalist not just ask him? Why does a Westminster journalist not just ask him? Do you have anything to hide? We're all hearing these rumours about the fact that the reason that you went to stay at Lord Ali's very expensive apartment before the election was not because of your son's GCSEs,

as you've said, but it was something to do with your personal life. Surely you just want to clear this up once and for all, because you just know, Alex, if it was Boris Johnson, they would have asked. Well, I think it's rather embarrassing for the mainstream media whose responsibility this is to report the news. And their current line behind the scenes is that this is not in the public interest, in air quotes. And that's why one of the main reasons, not just the only, but one of the main reasons why they're not publishing this story or asking Keir Starmer about this story. Now, as you said, Dan, Boris Johnson didn't get away with it. Multiple other politicians had their private lives splashed on the front pages. And so it seems to me there's this sort of collusion amongst the mainstream media to keep this quiet. And I think it might have something to do with the fact that they helped get this man into power and now seem to be concerned that they might have to bring down the very man they've put on a pedestal. Now, Keir Starmer laughing about this in Parliament, to me,

shows utter contempt for the British public. Utter contempt. If it was Boris laughing at the dispatch box, he'd be sat on the other side saying, this isn't a laughing matter and making a complete and utter circus of it all. And the the reality is and the british public will see straight through this when this story does drop they will see straight through this and these clips will be brought up again let's face it daniel you're probably one of the first people ever in this country to break a story and put those put those videos out there with that context and they'll be brought back up in the future and the british public will look at him and say you ignored it i mean yeah i only saw gb news cover it this happened in pmqs i mean it's it wasn't a private discussion i mean he has now

made it public if any westminster journalist had any respect for themselves and their profession do you know what they could simply ask heremer if they're scared about doing anything else for legal reasons, because I know there are legal threats. Of course there are. But why don't they just say, Keir Starmer, you laughed about temptations in PMQs on Wednesday. What specifically were you referring to in terms of temptations and an apartment? There's one way. Now, for people who don't know, by the way, there are two other people who I should give credit to,

Isabel Oakeshott, the independent journalist, and Paul Staines from Guido Forks, who have also done great work on this story and are doing their best to put it in the public domain. And Paul Staines, here on Outspoken last week, went as far as he could just to try and give you an understanding about what is really going on here. Or are you under pressure legally not to reveal more? Well, you know, we've both been in the game a long time.

You know the rules. If you can't stand it up completely, you can't run the story. So we have a name, as do the mail and the telegraph we have a birth certificate um and uh people have been looking into it people have been journalists have uh contacted the family so it's in play and a lot of people do know it. It is in play. I understand why people might not want to put the name out at this point, the birth certificate. But I guess what my point is, Alex, is there's enough now to at least ask Stomach. Give him an opportunity in a public platform,

because his reaction would be very telling. Give him an opportunity. If this is not true, just deny it. He can deny it. Yeah. Yeah, he certainly can. He certainly could. No, he could.

Look at that interview. I think, first of all, a good judge of this is look at the interview he did with Beth Rigby and what her comments were after, how she felt after that interview. She said he was furious with me, he was visibly angry, and it made her feel really uncomfortable. And I think this says something about the way Keir Starmer has been dealing with the press, and maybe why they're terrified to ask him. Because he is a lawyer, let's not forget, he's taken a lot of very high profile people down.

I'm sure he's weaponising his position and he's weaponizing all of his mates in the civil service to be protecting him. But they should, journalists should get a backbone. They should ask him. They have no problem delving into the private lives of multiple politicians, foreign and internal, people from America as well. They have no problem putting that on the front pages. But Keir Starmer seems to be above it all. I want to know why. I really respect Paul Staines and Isabel Oakeshott for doing this. that on the front pages but kia starmer seems to be above it all i want to know why i i really

respect paul stains and isabel oakeshott for doing this i also really respect lord ashcroft who actually originally wrote this wrote about this in the book that i think paul started digging from so so there are some really really tough journalists out there who are willing to put their arses on the line but they can only go so far the mainstream media do need to support them if they're going to put this out there and that's exactly what isabel and paul are doing they're goading the media saying come on do it and until someone does the mainstream media that will never get anywhere yeah and lord ashcroft is investigating it still because he's got an update of his book coming i think it's the biography of someone pretty I'm pretty sure it's called The Red Knight, but he's updating it for paperback. So that's still to come. Andrew Pearce has not

specifically referred to the rumors, but has said that the talk of Ashcroft's new book has caused jitters within Number 10. But the thing is, there's just a drip, drip of sleaze, even if you want to take it away from the personal life issues. I mean, look at this new revelation, Charlie, about David Lammy. £10,000, apparently. Or £9,000. Sorry, I'll be accurate. I'll be accurate because it's important.

£9,614.27p to redecorate and repaint his office. Now, again, I have no problem with that, personally. But what I have a problem with is that you know if this had been a Tory minister, Labour would have driven it to the top of the news agenda when it's them doing it, spending our money like that to live a nice life, to get some new wallpaper. I mean, do you remember how much they talked about Carrie Johnson's wallpaper?

And that was paid for by a Tory donor so that taxpayers didn't have to pay. And it was for the property in number 11 Downing Street. Yeah, no, I totally get what you're saying there. Just to touch on the kia starmer point i would say that i don't believe that ministers family should be brought into politics unless of course they do it themselves that's just a personal belief of mine i know people have different viewpoint going on to what david lammy has done with the decorating of his ministerial

office look i would like to see the itemized billing of that close to 10 grand bill because there's no way paint costs 10 grand. There's no way a few picture frames and a few ornaments here and there cost 10 grand. It just doesn't. No one spends 10 grand putting a desk up and getting a computer and whacking a bit of paint on the wall. What I see with ministers and government in general is they think that they've got an endless amount of money coming in because we've got no choice but to pay taxes. And it's like, OK, well, we've got all the money. We'll just spend it on this and spend it on that. But you can guarantee that he wouldn't spend 10 grand on his own home office

if he was in a different job and it was out of his own pocket. He'd probably spend a grand maybe. I don't know. It wouldn't be 10. So these ministers, they take liberty. Exactly. No, that is the key point. And the thing is, Charlie, they take liberty. Exactly. No, that is the key point.

And the thing is, Charlie, they told us time and again that they were going to be different. So I hear what you're saying. But the problem is they decided to make Boris Johnson's personal life a political issue. That was the choice of the Labour Party to do that. They described his personal life as disgusting. They spoke about it all the time so unfortunately labor changed the rules the msm changed the rules so i'm now not going to change the rules back just because they are in power but look charlie sansom alex armstrong do stand by

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Stay on top of your grooming game and be ready for anything the season throws your way. But now back to the show. And Sly News is set to be shut down after years of plummeting ratings and plummeting revenues after its left-wing turn. So Guido Fawkes was the first to report this news that would of course leave the COVID party gals, Kay Burley and Beth Rigby, out of a job. And in the past, I never used to celebrate journalists losing their jobs. But here's the thing. Sly News has become a nefarious, malignant force in Britain. It spent years branding Brexiteers as racist and trying to overturn the result of the biggest democratic

vote in British history. It then spent years attempting to plunge this country into an unnecessary lockdown. Sly News, I believe, has also been responsible for editorial interference. It completely ignored the rise of Boris Johnson, and it does all it can now to pretend that Nigel Farage doesn't exist, even removing him from their graphics on election night because they just hoped he wouldn't get any seats. And talking about that election night, I've got to play you Kay Burley's orgasmic reaction where her folk in the Labour Party, she realized were finally going to come to power. Now, this is not impartial journalism. It's embarrassing schoolgirl stuff. And it's moments like this that prove

that actually our country would be better off without sly news. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. oh my god uh yeah i'm going to you alex armstrong i will not mourn the loss of sly news the mainstream media has now become such a negative force it's actually time to just get rid this country would be better off without an organization like that which by the way is funded by american billionaires who are no longer prepared to lose 100 million pounds a year yeah yeah look i as soon as you mentioned sly news that clip always comes to my mind it is completely disgraceful how celebratory they were on a national news program about a general election it showed their bias seeping through and through and

like it wasn't the first time we've seen Kay and Beth and all these people give softball questions to Keir Starmer for years now they even did it in his first few days, in his first few weeks as prime minister. But interestingly, we have seen them changing tact really quickly the last two weeks, to the extent where I've even been sharing clips of Kay Burley attacking Lisa Nandy, Beth Rigby going hard on Kia Starmer. I think that they've had a little message from their investors to say, whatever it is you're doing, it is completely plummeting our ratings. There's no other explanation for Sly News to find their morality all of a sudden. But you know what, Dan? I am 100% with you on this.

I will not mourn the loss of Sly News. It has failed the British public. It has pretended to be unbiased and has been a wolf in sheep's clothing and that clip there always should remind the British public of exactly what Sky News stands for Big time, big time and the thing is Charlie

I think when the public finally lost faith with Sly News was do you remember Kay Burley and Beth Rigby talking constantly about, we need to lock down. We need to lock down harder. Every single press conference, Beth Rigby would be there saying, why are you not locking down harder? People should lose their jobs if they didn't follow the lockdown. Let's shame people. Do you remember they called people like

us who didn't want to follow the rules, COVIDiots. And then it emerged that Beth Rigby and Kay Burley were out partying, not following the rules themselves, literally acting completely differently behind the scenes than what they told everyone else. And I think from that moment on, I mean, look, they were suspended for three months and six months, but they're back now. And we know these people are just fakes.

And I think the interview that Alex refers to with Lisa Nandy, the only reason k burley was angry is because lisa nandy had called out k burley for being at the taylor swift concert herself i mean taylor uh k burley said she paid for a ticket but the point is charlie they're all in it together aren't they they're all friends they all hang out of course they are yeah politics and media everybody's throwing stones and rocks at each other, forgetting they all live in glass houses, and it's shattered all over the floor. They just haven't realised it yet.

One wrong step, they're going to cut their feet open. And what I would say about the presenters at Sky News is this. You can't trust people that cut their hair using a salad bowl. You just can't. Oh, goodness me um now i want to celebrate though some of the best sly news moments and i'm not sure which side i should take on this one because they're both terrible human beings and on one hand you've got adam bolton on the other you've got bet Beth Rigby and he just goes for her watch this it was never broadcast at the time if if if Beth comes put her in there and then she can go away I know I know

just put the f***ing seat in. Have you got the grab? Yeah. Yeah, well, she's got to come and f***ing sit here if she wants to be on telly. So, as the great BJ John is speaking here. Are you going to send? Well, in the past few minutes, Mr. Johnson arrived... What stop f***ing around yes well uh beth is here.

You can see Boris Johnson's speech. Look at her face now, Charlie. I think working with Beth Rigby might have annoyed me, but it just shows you as well, they're actually cretins behind the scenes, aren't they? Yeah, I mean, what people don't realise is this is how you talk to me and Alex before the show goes out. This is what you were saying to us. Sort the camera out. Don't leak it. No, I mean, what people don't realise is this is how you talk to me and Alex before the show goes out. This is what you were saying to us.

Sort the camera out. Don't leak it. No, I'm joking. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Dan's brilliant. But yeah, you know, I can imagine that in that world of contempt and incestuous relationships, I can see things boiling over from time to time. My other favourite moment, though,

was when it boiled over on air. And this also involves two of my least favourite people, Adam Bolton and Alastair Campbell. Watch. Yes, I know. Adam, you're obviously

upset that David Cameron's not Prime Minister. You are. You probably are. Don't keep casting aspersions. No, no, no. Adam, I know. Adam, you're obviously upset that David Cameron's not Prime Minister. I'm not upset. You are. You probably are. Don't keep casting aspersions. Adam, calm down. I am commenting. Don't keep saying what I think. This is live on television. No, don't keep telling me what I think. This is what you do. You come on and you say, no one won the election.

No, don't. You talk to me. I'm fed up with you telling me what I think. I don't care what you're fed up with. You can say what you like. I can tell you my opinion. Don talk to me. I'm fed up with you telling me what I think. I don't care what you're fed up with. You can say what you like. I can tell you my opinion. Don't tell me what I think. I will tell you why I think you're reacting. Alistair, you're being... And what's so great is the presenter there, Jeremy... Oh, what was his name? Jeremy.

Anyway, they got rid of him because he was too expensive. He'd been there from the start. And he tried to get them under control but alistair campbell and adam bolton just kept going at each other in other words i didn't know he was so concerned you totally unelected have plotted this me with yeah and you're elected you're up here speaking about him Maybe that's because the minister's He's got a parliamentary party You're the one who cocked it up You're the one who's cooked this up

Let this debate carry on later Let's just remind you what Gordon Brown said a few minutes ago Jeremy Thompson that was But Alex, come on how good is that how good is that you have to admit brilliant television

absolute gold it's gold isn't it and Adam Bolton almost sometimes regularly forgets the cameras are rolling and that he's meant to be a professional and that Sky News isn't Adam Bolton news which I think he would love if it were but it's absolute gold

dust dan i'm so glad you're showing that today because i think we should do it we should do a showreel of all the sly news cock-ups over the last two three okay well can i show one more that involves k burley and biff rigby because this one boils my blood because how on earth can they claim to be an impartial news network it's the moment when burley live on air actually begs david miller band uh to return to british politics what but we miss you we need you to come home that's a lovely that's a very nice, that's a very nice question. That's a very nice way of putting the question. I miss you too. I miss many of my friends and former colleagues in the UK. Good to talk to you. Maybe we'll convince you next time we have you on the programme,

but I know you have to dash, so we'll let you go now. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, Mr Miloban. Thanks for joining us on the Cape Early Show. Thanks ever so much. you go now. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, Mr Miliband. Thanks for joining us on the KBurley Show this afternoon. Thank you. Do you think, I mean, the opposition is not holding their feet to the fire and as a result, the government are getting away with murder? Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, isn't it? David

Miliband, he's been seen as the prince across the water, hasn't he, for a long time. There was lots of talk he might come back and would he you know would he come and and and i mean seriously charlie i'm gonna say something that i couldn't say when i was on gb news uh did she want to shag him or something very good very good i like that um never know, she might have done,

and it would have been acceptable for her to say that, of course, because she's a woman and you can't say that the other way around as a man. But just imagine, I mean, just imagine her acting like that with a conservative politician. So, look, personally, I actually have really strong feelings about all of this, and it's a macro point. The media is changing. We know that because look at the growing influence of the independent media. I'm not just saying that because I'm here. You guys know my story. You know how I ended up here. It was because of my

cancellation in the mainstream media, but I'm a huge believer in the independent media. And actually, Ofcom shouldn't exist whatsoever. Sly News and Channel 4 News and Wokai TV should be able to say, we are loud and proud left-wing news network and drop the veneer that there's any sense of impartiality which doesn't exist. But they also have to accept that GB News and Talk TV would then be allowed to do the same thing. But what is so ridiculous with this whole setup is that GB News is constantly targeted by the off communists who probably are next going to try and come for shows like mine online. And this type of thing is just the norm. Left-wing news is just the norm,

so let's just make it the news. There should just be no regulation of the media. We need a free media like America has because of the First Amendment. I completely agree with you, Dan. Look, at the end of the day, Ofcom's whole purpose is to tell you British people are too stupid to make up their own

decision from what they see on the screen it's basically taking what would be a real life conversation saying what do we have to have an off communist in person with everybody like china like the ccp i mean it's absolutely ridiculous it is devalued our media over decades now it's caused plummeting ratings across traditional mainstream media and they're going to kill the one thing that they're there to protect and they are killing it as if sky news closes down it will be purely because it's trying to be two things at once unbiased and biased at the same time and people can see through that and the reality is dan is that young people in this country are in ways getting their news from independent journalists like yourself.

This is the future. And I can guarantee you're spot on about this. Ofcom will be coming for the Internet next. They're going to try and come for me. Absolutely. But you know what? Go and have a look at the figures of these so-called great left-wing independent sources like Channel 4 news's new uh youtube show i think it's called the forecast or something like that and the news agents and their numbers are pitiful

their numbers are pitiful after three months we're thrashing them so there's a revolution uh coming so glad that you two are a part of it and uh we don't need to weep for the loss of sly news because there's something new building and i think it's great uh so charlie sansom happy birthday birthday boy and alex armstrong thank you so much for being my fabulous superstar panel this friday have an amazing weekend but coming up in the uncancelled after show after a triumphant return yesterday is Catherine the new people's princess royal expert Lee Cohen standing by from Florida and you know it's very important to me that we have a safe space not patrolled by big tech for all of the reasons that we just discussed

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