Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE REVOLUTION AS REFORM OVERTAKES TORIES IN POLLS & BEAT LABOUR AT BALLOT BOX

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

The Reform UK surge is officially on, with astonishing results overnight proving Nigel Farage is once again a political force to be reckoned with, just as Rachel Thieves plunged the UK into recession watch. So is it the Brexit King and not Kemi Badenoch who will replace Slippery Starmer in Number 10? A brilliant Superstar Panel to take this on today. Two Outspoken first timers: Conservative social media sensation and Daily Express columnist Sophie Corcoran and political YouTuber Based and Bougie. Then in the Uncancelled Aftershow: Angela Levin with the latest on two shocking royal revelations. Prince Andrew’s friendship with a Chinese spy and an out of control Buckingham Palace Christmas party. PLUS: The Tommy Robinson versus Talk TV battle heats up. I’ll have the latest. AND: What does Lily Phillips, who has become a household name after sleeping with 101 men in 24 hours, say about the state of modern Britain? We’ll debate. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Angela Levin with the latest on two shocking royal revelations. Prince Andrew’s friendship with a Chinese spy and an out of control Buckingham Palace Christmas party. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Please click and subscribe to our brand new independent news source. Turn on the notification bell and you'll be alerted to our live shows, uncancelled interviews, special royal episodes too. Breaking right now, the Reform UK surge is officially on, with astonishing results overnight proving Nigel Farage is once again a political force to be reckoned with, just as Rachel Thieves plunges the UK into recession watch. So is it the Brexit king and not Kemi Badenoch who will replace Slippery Starmer in number 10? A brilliant superstar panel to take this on today. Two outspoken first timers, but both brave young women who I have a lot of respect for.

Conservative social media sensation and Daily Express columnist Sophie Corrin and political YouTuber and Bougie are in the house. Also coming up on the show today, the Tommy Robinson versus talk TV battle heats up. I'll have the latest on that. And what does Lily Phillips, who has become a household name, most would say for all the wrong reasons, after sleeping with 101 men in 24 hours. What does her fame, her success, her riches, her wealth say about the state of modern day Britain? We will debate. Then in the uncancelled after show, our royal mastermind, Angela Levin, she's up on two shocking royal revelations overnight

Prince Andrew's friendship with a Chinese spy and this out of control Buckingham Palace Christmas party what went on Angela Levin has the details remember the uncancelled after show now broadcast exclusively daily and on demand on Substack you can google it or get to it right now. There's the front page. Just visit www.outspoken.live. Enter your email address into that box. Hit subscribe. The best way to support if you can is with a monthly paid membership. But I completely understand times are difficult at the moment as this Rachel Thieves news shows. So I just want you to join the revolution, become part of the community. You can sign up completely for free. www.outspoken.live is the address. But now, let's go.

It's impossible to argue now that the momentum in British politics is only heading in one direction. Within weeks of this socialist hellscape under two-tier care and Kemi Badenoch's uninspiring start, and that's an understatement in my view in charge of the Tories, I promise you Reform UK will be topping every national poll. It's not an exaggeration when Nigel Farage's party say they have all the momentum. They're ahead of the governing Labour Party in one major poll this week and beating the Conservatives, the most successful party in the world. History ever in another poll. But it's the real votes that matter most and reform are triumphing there too. As superwoman Suella's hubby, Raelle Brafferman, now a devoted Reform UK member after his shocked affection from his wife's party pointed out, Reform UK snags their first seat in St. Helens. With a stunning 41.1% in Blackbrook, they've sent Labour tumbling to 34.7%. The political rollercoaster just got a new loop.

Meanwhile, it's reform that seems to be now spiritually leading the opposition in a whole load of ways. Look at the farmers' protests this week, the tractors' convoy. Farage was there on the ground. So were his MPs. But Gemmy Bainenoch didn't mention a word of it during PMQs. Farage and Richard Tice have led the way, along with Rupert Lowe actually, on the despicable Southport massacre cover-up of which so much has still not been made public. And with Labour set to plunge us into recession after Rachel Thieve's tax-raising promises broken budget, with the economy shrinking again in October, that's the terrible news we've received today. Again, it's reform leading the way with its chairman, Zia Youssef, describing the chancellor with the fake CV as sounding, quote, like all Labour ministers, a chatbot with a virus. And you know what? We need some humour

in these very dark times for our United Kingdom. If you don't believe that description from Zia Youssef, just watch Robotic Reeves in action today. Nigel, what's going on? Like, you really had my support. And if you don't believe him, just watch Robotic Reeves in action today. The numbers on GDP are disappointing, but it's not possible to turn around more than a decade of poor economic growth and stagnant living standards in just a few months. ymlaen yn ystod ychydig oed yn ystod ychydig oed o gynyrch economaidd a'r cyfnodau bywyd sylfaenol yn ystod ychydig o misau. Ond, byddwch yn gweld o'r cynlluniau rydyn ni wedi'u cyhoeddi, a yw hynny'n y reformaethau energiol rydyn ni wedi'u gyhoeddi heddiw, y reformaethau i adeiladu 1.5 miliwn o ffyrdd rydyn ni wedi'u gyhoeddi diwethaf, y reformaethau peniodd, creu cyfnod cyfoeth cyhoeddus. Mae'r Llywodraeth hwn yn cychwyn gyda'r swydd i wella

cyfnod economaidd a chyfeirio cyfnodau bywyd. I bobl sy'n gwylio hynny, getting on with the job in improving economic growth and driving up living standards. OK. For people watching this then, when can we expect to get back to growth? Well, growth is the number one mission of this government. Economic growth that results in families feeling better off with more money in their pockets. And we're driving that economic growth. And we hope that those numbers will start to improve because of the policies that we're pursuing in the months ahead. Oh, goodness, it's all to play for, isn't it? It's all to play for, for Reform UK in particular. But there are challenges. And part of that challenge is keeping its base happy. A base, by the way, that remains furious at being described as that lot. Here's political YouTuber, former, maybe current Reform UK supporter, based and bougie.

Nigel, what's going on? Like, you really had my support. You really had me on TikTok looking like a crazy woman saying, everybody vote for reform, vote for reform, vote for reform. But lately, Nigel has just been moving mad. Like, I really like Nigel Farage, but I feel like a lot of people, especially like conservative people, were really confused to where he stands. I feel like lately he's been backtracking a lot on a lot of the things he said during his election period. The first thing that he done was calling the far-right thugs. That took me by surprise. The second thing was when that guy from Reef, he referred to them as demlots.

I think that was so condescending and it basically screamed, we don't want anything to do with that. The far-right thugs that they were referring to, these are their voters. With such amazing momentum, it's my view that Reform UK and Farage should also have the confidence to encourage a broad range of supporters. A broad coalition, if you like.

Despondent Tories, yes. But patriotic Uniting the Kingdom supporters, who probably like Tommy Robinson too, yes. Because saving the UK is the most important thing here. And I don't believe that splintering your base is the best start. But now, my superstar panel. And it's lovely to welcome today the aforementioned YouTube sensation based and bougie and social media star, Daily Express columnist, Sophie Cacoran. Great to have you both on Outspoken for the first time. So, Sophie, let me kick off with you because your political journey on this one is really interesting. You stayed loyal to the Conservative Party at the last election,

even though, Sophie, and tell me if I'm wrong, I'd probably say politically, you're a bit more in tune with where Nigel Farage is at. You then supported Kemi Badenoch. But now, based on what you're writing and based on what you're posting, you're looking at this and just thinking, goodness me, it's not going to work. I might need to go over to reform and become the latest defection. Yeah. So, you know, I've been a member of the Conservative Party since I was 15 years old. And obviously, I'm not that old old so it's been a significant part of

my life so for me to just abandon the conservative party was always would always be a difficult decision and I'll be honest with you I have actually been laying awake at night not being able to sleep because I just I'm not sure if my political home is going to be with the conservative party for much longer and the one thing that's really attracted me to reform at the moment is their ability to try and for the first time really connect with young people but a lot of my political journey I've always been on my own in the political spectrum but I've carried on fighting because I knew that the change was coming eventually young people would start to become you know more to the right and as you know for my generation we haven't really lived under a Labour government this is really our first time experiencing it so more young people at the next

election are going to be more open to not voting Labour because they've finally experienced actually that the grass is certainly not greener on the other side however I don't think the Conservatives making much of an effort to provide a home for young people whereas reform are and for the first time we have a political party where young people are at the forefront of the discussion but using right-wing policies to actually get to the end point of what we want to be and for me I haven't really experienced that yet in my lifetime it's always been accepted that the Conservative Party isn't going to try with young people but now it's changed because we've finally lived under Labour government and young people are massively flocking to reform and for someone who's fought that battle alone

for a considerable amount of time, perhaps the opportunity to be amongst young people who share my views and to really, you know, try and push for what we've seen in France and in Germany and in the USA has become really lucrative, I think. Yeah, I totally understand that. And I like loyalty too. And I do

understand it's very difficult when you've been loyal to a movement and you want that movement to turn around and start doing things right. But Basinbuchi, you're in a very different place on this. You were a supporter of Reform UK before the election, but you have been concerned about what you might, I guess, describe as attack to the centre, that attack on Tommy Robinson supporters. There's also Nigel suggesting that maybe mass deportation is not completely practical, not completely embracing the fact that there's a big concern about demographic change in the UK, a big concern about extreme Islam? Is that what is concerning you most? Yeah, I think I'm in the same place as Sophie in the sense that I was a huge supporter of the Reform Party and a huge supporter of

Nigel Farage. But lately, he has been backtracking on a lot of his statements. I mean, he came into the scene very much. I am pro-nationalism. I am pro-Britain, Britain first. And now slowly he's been backtracking on a lot of things he's been saying, for instance, referring to the far right as them lots. That took me as surprise because them lots, they are his voters. They are the people who actually got him into parliament. Them lots are also the people whose daughters have been groomed. Them lots are the people who are veterans who fought for the country for 20 years so i think that was just a huge disrespect and no matter how much i like the reform party or niger faraj i will always call out nonsense whenever and that's not a disrespect to niger

faraj not only that because you would put yourself in that category is that right you feel you were one of those people who they were almost saying well we don't want you now yes because i'm also out in the field as well whenever there's you know these patriotic events i am there and i have conversation with these people and they are the honestly the most kindest most humblest people all they care about is britain being better and they actually love nigel farage in fact in tommy robinson's um event i believe it was in summer, I believe it was in July, you know, so many people said, who voted for reform? he's backtracking the second way he's been backtracking is when he said that we need to prioritize the Muslim vote now here's the thing when it comes to voting is whoever has the majority

influence in voting sorry has the most influence so for him to say that we need to prioritize that for me again that was that backtracking in the sense that instead of us prioritizing Muslims again because I feel like Britain we are always bending over backwards for everybody we're bending over backwards for the lgbt community we're bending over backwards for black lives matter we're bending over backwards for ukraine and now we're bending over backwards again for the muslim community why don't we just promote and push for the christian community because this is a christian country i'm not saying i'm against muslims i'm'm not saying I hate Muslims, but I'm just saying that when will a political party come in and actually prioritize the Christian people and our Christian values

that built this country? So I just want to make it clear that I still very much like Nigel Farage. I like how he's always on the ground with people. He's always at the farmer's event. That shows that he has a care for the country. And I'm not denying that he does care for his country. However, there has been a lot of backtracking. And I feel like the whole point of a democracy is that we as the public should call it out and almost correct him.

Because I feel like if he continues to do this, he will lose a lot of votes. And you also mentioned how he is growing in votes. But remember, the media never likes to talk about the far right or the movement of the right so they're not going to talk about our frustrations with Nigel Farage and trying to kind of turn his back on the community so um yeah I like Nigel Farage I think he's a very charismatic man he's a great forecaster he's somebody when he says this is going to happen in Britain, five, 10 years later,

it happens, but he needs to stop this backtracking towards the community who really has the most support for him. I find that fascinating. Sophie Cacoran, how do you feel about that? Because I guess Nigel Farage would argue, although I don't agree with this, but he would argue, well, I'm dealing with a political reality. I'm dealing with the mainstream media who are out to get us and I have to work within the system. Yeah. So I actually kind of think that reform at the moment, as they currently stand, are going to have to try and build a really sort of broad electoral coalition in order to win. And unfortunately, a lot of that is actually going to come from Labour votes. And I think that's something that's been really underestimated. Everybody always thinks reform are, a lot of that is actually going to come from Labour votes. And I think that's something that's been really underestimated.

Everybody always thinks reform are taking a lot of Conservative votes, and they are, and they naturally will. However, in order for reform to progress, they need to start taking a lot of Labour votes because the areas that reform are succeeding in are in places like the North. So they have to be careful in order to make sure that they're building this sort of broad electoral coalition and for me i agree with what she's saying about nigel farage and it's actually one of the reasons why i was originally against nigel farage actually coming into parliament and the reason why is not because i don't think he was going to be a good mp but because i felt like parliament was going to limit him and i think you know he has been one person who has been arguably i actually think probably the most influential political figure that we've had over the last decade or more.

And he's done that without ever actually having to step foot in Parliament because he wasn't restricted by the electoral system. He wasn't restricted by perhaps being forced to build that broad electoral coalition that perhaps is going to force him to abandon some of the views he may have had before he hasn't had to deal with the media and parliamentary standards and those sort of things and he was free to be as influential and as successful as he likes and i think there is a place for people like that there is a place for nigel farage being as successful and influential without being the side of the political system because a lot of the people who are backbench mps actually achieve nothing and they're just kind of there to put their pass on the little scanner and say yes or no so that's always why I was kind of a bit skeptical of Farage becoming MP not because I didn't want him to become an MP but because I felt like he was almost too influential too and I think it

would have held him back in a way. Can I just chime in on that point a little bit? Of course. Yeah I think that when it comes to niger farage winning the labor vote the muslim vote i feel like he definitely can do it but he does not have to do it whilst snaking out that's what they use in like street terms his far-right community who has been supporting him the perfect example of this would be donald trump you know when donald trump first came in through the elections he was very firm on his standards he said we are going to build a wall till this day he hasn't apologized about the fact that he wants to build a wall he hasn't apologized and also by the way Trump despite so much pushback from the mainstream media the political establishment for example never turned on his January 6th base. Exactly.

And he's going to pardon them. And it shows that actually, if you hold firm, if you stick to your political principles, eventually everyone will come to you. But look, I want to speak about Kemi Badenoch because even though I didn't support her becoming Conservative Party leader, I was open to her doing well. I understood that she was a good orator.

I understood that she had a good story. But I would argue that her launch as Tory party head honcho has been disastrous. And she's actually received more headlines than anything for her condemnation believe it or not of sandwiches yes this is in an interview with the spectator this week where she said what's a lunch break lunch is for wimps i have food brought in and i work and eat at the same time there's no time sometimes i will get a steak i'm not a sandwich person. I don't think sandwiches are a real food. It's what you have for breakfast. I will not touch bread if it's moist. Now, even the Daily Telegraph has turned on her over this, saying that it was arrogant,

self-involved, and at war with the humble sandwich. Badenoch is everything true conservatives feared. And Nigel Farage has been scathing too. Now, of course, people have criticised him of racism for this. I'm going to read out the posts because I don't believe it's racist at all. But Nigel said of Kemi, I am watching the Tory backbenchers as Kemi Badenoch gives another average performance at PMQs. There is almost no enthusiasm for her at all. They are in much deeper trouble than they know. Kemi has no idea what she is doing, no feel for the country and no presence of delivery. Now, Sophie Kikorin, you backed Kemi, right?

And you must be disappointed. Come on. Yeah, I think, you know, in some sense there's probably you know i would hope that there is a lot going on behind the scenes which is why no she's as quiet but i do feel like we've just disappeared and this is one of the most frustrating things as a conservative is to be quite honest you know we've had to take the blame for almost everything for the last 14 years and being in opposition has given us a real opportunity to take the fight to Labour more than perhaps we've ever had before. This government is a disaster, they're scoring open goal after open goal after open goal yet we're just quiet on it. I think one

of the difficult things that the Conservative Party has in comparison to reform is that the Conservative Party is fundamentally boring and the way that politics has changed and there needs to be an acceptance of the way the politics has changed it has become so embedded in culture it's become so embedded in our daily life there are more people now that are engaged in politics in perhaps not in traditional ways than they ever have been before and a lot of that comes through entertainment a lot of that comes through character a lot of that comes through charisma it A lot of that comes through character. A lot of that comes through charisma. It's why Boris Johnson was so successful. It's why, even though he's an absolute nutcase,

Corbyn was well-received because he had a personality. And the Conservative Party has become boring. We haven't necessarily seen the change that we want to see. We're letting open goals. And the one thing that really winds me up is this idea, well, we've got four years to the next election. N we don't we've got five months you know we've got a really important mayoralty coming here where i live in cambridge here we've got a labour mayor at the minute that's a great opportunity to root out one of labour's worst mayors i mean the man

is awful but again we don't have you know in parliamentary terms yeah we might have four or five years. And those who are sitting there cosy on their £90,000 salaries, knowing they've got a job for the next four years might be great. But the real backbone of the party are the councillors, are the activists, are the mayors, are the associations. And these people are either on no salary or, you know, £10,000 or whatever a council allowance is. And these people are potentially going to lose their seats in five months time because we're not trying we can't wait for four years i'm sorry we've got important elections to win and without these county councillors we've got no activists and that's something we really struggle with i ran a campaign

um last year i ran the local election campaigns and general election campaigns and i found the fact that labour were busting in union after union after union in my constituency were lost by 118 votes in the constituency where I live we lost by 39 votes we would have won those votes if we had people on the ground but this is what happens when you don't value your membership and you don't try and start winning the things like county council elections it's not all about the general election which I think is actually where reform might also get themselves stuck because they're doing well in these by-elections but it's really easy to concentrate everything into a by-election because there's only a few elections happening at that time as soon as reform we're going to

have to start running hundreds and hundreds of elections at once i mean each council district is going to have 12 they might find themselves finding it actually a little bit more difficult because they still don't have the branches and the campaign infrastructure and the ability to know how to campaign locally than perhaps what the Conservatives do have. So I think that's what they're going to find difficult. Parliamentary-wise, they're great, but local elections are a completely different matter altogether. Basinbuchi, how do you feel about Kemi Baden? I think the media is over-exaggerating.

Like, that comment was just not that serious. I think going back to Sophie's statement, she said that the Conservative Party is very boring. And I just feel as though just because someone goes into politics, it doesn't mean they should start dancing around like a clown to entertain people for votes. The public is very smart. They're very intelligent. And they will know when someone is pretending to be something that they're not for the sake of votes.

Now, when it comes to the comments of sandwiches, I think maybe better not having sandwiches or not having lunch breaks is how she was able to work her way to the top and become a Conservative Party leader. And at the same time, I think that statement is very telling of what she stands for. She stands for hard work. This country has become almost like a socialist country. We're so addicted to breaks and annual leave and handouts and everyone do this for us while we just sit back and relax and do the bare minimum. But really and truly what built this country is this desire to build and to not stop building and to not take breaks until you see progress.

So I actually really support, sorry, support Kemi. I think that that statement, it was just not that serious. It didn't need to be headlined. But it also shows you how unserious our mainstream media is, of course, because everyone's now talking about the Ed Miliband sandwich eating mess and Sly News even decided today that they should give him a softball on eating sandwiches. Watch this. Just one more question about sandwiches, if that's OK, because it's obviously a Kimmy Badenox interview. Definitely. I'm here. I'm here for. Definitely. I'm here for the sandwich content. Excellent. We're very pleased to hear it.

As you will know, Kemi Badenoch has done an interview. She's expressed some strong views on the subject. She says she doesn't think they're real food. You famously battled with a bacon sandwich about ten years ago, and you'll be pleased to know we're not going to show the pictures. Has that changed your view on sandwiches? What's your feeling about them now? battled with a bacon sandwich about 10 years ago, and you'll be pleased to know we're not going to show the pictures. Books I just did. Has that changed your view on sandwiches? What's your feeling about them now?

I mean, look, you know, I wish I could have a cross-party consensus here with Kemi Bednok, but I can't, you know. I think I need to persuade her of the delights of a bacon sandwich. Good to talk to you this morning, Ed Miliband. Thanks very much indeed. We all know what's on your lunch menu now. Thank you. Based on what you look at, it's ridiculous, isn't it?

It's utterly, utterly ludicrous. Do you know what? I think they should have used that segment to talk about what happened with the Southport girls. Not one question. Not one question has been asked to a Labour minister, not one, by the mainstream media about what Starmer and Yvette Cooper knew when about Axel Rudacabana and the charges of him having an Al-Qaeda manual and also producing ricin at his home.

Not one question. But they will stop to ask Ed Miliband about bacon sandwiches. It's just all there to distract us. They just put out these silly stories to distract us from what's really going on in the UK. Going on for the South Port, I definitely think there is a bigger cover-up. First and foremost, the images of this young man is not consistent.

The first image I saw was an old man. Then they went to this young man. I'm not sure if people have noticed, but the actual images of him, they look very AI. It doesn doesn't look real and they definitely are trying to cover it up but let's also talk about the grooming scandal that's going on in britain where 2 000 young british girls are actually being groomed kidnapped and drugged and nobody's talking about that but yet we're here talking about sandwiches and bacon i think our media is just absolutely ridiculous and it just needs to start

getting a bit more serious. Leave that for daytime television. Yeah, because last week, Sophie Kikorin, it was Greg Wallace, wasn't it? And the fact that Greg Wallace had maybe made some inappropriate jokes years ago, and that was considered the biggest story of the day. It does often feel like there are diversionary tactics going on, especially when it comes to the Southport massacre cover-up. Yeah, of course. And I sort of touched on this when Number 10 got involved in the Greg Wallace scandal. Yeah, OK, the guys probably said stuff that's stupid and ignorant,

but I don't recall Number 10 really getting involved in defence of the two police officers that were attacked by those guys at Manchester Airport, who got away five months on still somehow haven't even had charges laid against them, even though it's on video. And now let's look at the US. I mean, that guy killed that healthcare

CEO and they've got him stringed up in prison within a matter of days. So why can't we do that? And they also again, didn't have anything to say about the poor woman that was screwdrivered to death by the asylum seeker. So they're more than happy to take these around and condemn Greg Wallace. But we've got massive issues in terms of female safety and welfare in this country, largely due to immigration and other issues that they just don't want to talk about.

I mean, but again, we just let them get away with it. We need strong opposition in this country. It's just not there at the minute totally agree and also that's why we need a strong independent media too because we will talk about the issues in a way that the mainstream media won't and i have been totally disgusted even since i've launched outspoken just to see the subjects that are completely covered up uh the secrets about Keir Starmer's private life being another example. I did just want to show you, Sophie, though, before we move on from Kemi Badenoch, this exchange between Emily Hewittson, the young conservative activist, and our father, Phil Harris, because Emily wrote hard to deny that reform is stealing the limelight at the minute

and winning all the big arguments. Kemi Badenoch needs to stop talking sandwiches and start being far bolder. And Reverend Cannon, Father Harris replied saying the conservatives are finished and will never be trusted again. Loyal is commendable, but in this case misplaced. There is no root and branch. That is what was required. It's too late now. When you hear Father Cannon speak like that, do you think he might have a point that actually it is just time for all of the great youngsters like you and Emily Hewitt, some people who can be part of a

political movement for decades to come, to actually just accept the Conservative Party is dead and we are going to move on to something new and revolutionary to save this country? Well, I certainly think that the way the current Conservative Party is, is dead. And the only way that there will be any Conservative Party left if there's radical change, and I mean radical change, and we're not seeing that at the moment, which is one of those difficult things. But I suppose for young people, we need a shift for the right. As I wrote in my piece that I wrote for The Express this week,

that immigration is the number one factor for why young people are struggling in Britain. And because all of the problems that we face, whether it be housing, whether it be with our social services, they're crumbling. And it is my generation that ultimately is bearing the greatest burden on that. And Labour aren't producing anything positive in that matter. I mean, they've come out this week and said that they're building 1.5 million homes. But in the same time, they're allowing 2.5 million people to come into the country and the only way that we're really going to fix the problems that young people are facing in britain is if you know for example if your bath is

overflowing you don't just start mopping up before you turn off the tap otherwise water's going to keep running you're going to be mopping up forever and you're going to get nowhere and that's what the conservatives did and what this labour government are doing in order to deal with our public services we can build 1.5 million houses that's absolutely fantastic but there's no point doing that if we're letting 2.5 million people in year on year on year on year we've increased NHS spending significantly yet year after year after year we've got the same story over and over and over again the NHS is on the brink the reason for that is immigration the only way that we are actually going to get a grip of Britain and this has a massive impact on my generation the most is by turning

off that immigration tap the actual fact in some cases pulling the plug out and this is why I've said for for my own generation the only form of net zero that we should actually really be supporting and that is actually going to change our lives and protect our futures in this country is a net zero immigration strategy that's the only form of net zero that is going to secure our future because at the moment we can't get homes it might actually even be too late for my generation we can't get homes can't get jobs britain is becoming more unsafe our public services are crumbling and this is what we've got to do but at the moment the conservatives aren't realizing that and they had a massive part to play and the more young people are waking up globally in france in germany in the usa is people are starting to understand actually the fact that immigration and

mass immigration the way it is is completely taking away our futures in this country so yeah i think the more the conservatives are failing to acknowledge that and i do feel bad in a way it can be bad not because she's always going to have this thing of well this is what the conservatives did in the past you know they're responsible for this they're responsible for this and i do think people need to give her a chance to perhaps fix it if she wants to but it needs to be a genuine attempt very good points very very good points breaking right now a growing row between Talk TV and Tommy Robinson over the radio station or TV station, I don't know how we describe it these days, and their coverage of the activist and citizen journalist who is currently behind bars. Much of this was sparked by Piers Morgan's attacks on Tommy Robinson and then specifically

these live broadcasts by Talks political editor Peter Cardwell. Watch. Thank you to everybody online who has been in touch including all those people who are saying that I'm a liar and that Tommy Robinson isn't a racist. I mean he is. Just you know do some basic research and you'll find out. So thank you to everybody who's been in touch, including those people who've been horrible. And some who haven't been horrible, some who've been totally respectful and just saying they disagree with me, and that's OK. If we disagree without being disagreeable.

That then sparked a major protest outside News UK's headquarters, attended by Nick Tenconey, leader of the UKIP party. Morgan. And as for you, Cardwell, calling Robinson a racist, you owe the British public and Tommy Robinson an apology. And that led to the extraordinary moment where Peter Cardwell was actually informed while live on air that all of that was taking place outside the building. Oh, no, no, don't take her off. Don't take her off. It's OK. It's all right. Deb, sorry, go ahead, say that again. I think it's about time that you apologise for calling

Tommy Robinson a racist, which he's not. I don't know whether you have any evidence of that at all. And also, there's actually a demonstration going on outside your studios right now. Are you aware of that? No, I'm not, actually, Debs, but thank you for letting me know. Thanks for your call. Appreciate that.

Now then, Weiner says... And one of the people who was part of that protest is the young YouTube conservative commentator-based and bougie. Watch. debased and bougie watch nigel what's going on he was a far right racist islamophobic extremist and me being 11 years old and very impressionable I believed it until maybe 12 14 years later I decided he came up with my FYP and I decided to just watch an interview was just a one-hour interview so as I was watching the interview I was waiting to hear that right-wing extremist is not a phobic

racist comment and I couldn't hear anything so I decided to watch a second interview waiting for that right-wing extremist Islamophobic comment, still couldn't hear anything. I decided to watch a third, a fourth, a fifth, a sixth interview and I still couldn't find this character that they paid to Tommy Robinson out to be. Now I'm a very curious individual so when I'm intrigued by something, nothing will stop me from exploring it. And after watching a couple of Tommy Robinson's interviews, I realised that this man was on a mission, not to create an all-white Britain, stop me from exploring it and after watching a couple of Tom Robertson's interviews I realized that this man was on a mission not to create an all-white Britain but to actually protect Britain and to protect children that's it. And Baston Bougie joins us now alongside the Daily Express

columnist and conservative social media sensation Sophie Cacorin. So based in Bougie firstly incredibly impressive performance there outside talk. What sort of reaction have you had because I cannot imagine that it's easy as a young black woman to say actually I support Tommy Robinson for these reasons? No, I do get a lot of hate from it. Sometimes I even get death threats from people realising that I support Tommy Robinson. And I don't blame them. It is a bit of an odd situation to look at because I feel like the media and establishment

have done such a good job at convincing people that the black woman is the most oppressed person on the planet because she's black and she's a woman and the white man is the most you know um privileged person on the planet because he's white and he's a male so when you see the two worlds kind of in the same um you know location it kind of does raise the eyebrow like what's going on but that's why i purposely try to be in these environments because i want people to see that if I'm here how can they possibly be racist and I also find it fascinating that Peter Cardwell said that all you have to do is just do your research I did my research I could not find not one racist comment yes Tommy Robinson is a very bold speaker but he's a passionate speaker he's someone who

has been through a lot of the thing that he talks about and a lot of the things that he warns people about so for him to say do your research Peter Cardwell did you do your research I think that comment was so ignorant and if Peter Cardwell if you ever see this shame on you for you to just say someone's racist and didn't even have any evidence of it was just completely disgusting to be quite frank and also I just want to add on that I've had just like one interaction with Tommy Robinson and I can tell you now he's the most humblest person on the planet like when you go out to his events he's busy busy busy but if you just give him the heads up and say hi can I he would literally run to you and say is everything okay like I have been around racist people and I can tell you they will look at you like you're literally dirt under their feet,

but he's always been humble. Even if he takes long to reply in a text message, he will literally reach out to me and say, listen, just give me time. And this person probably has DMs over flooded. So I've never had a racist experience with this man. He's always been on a mission to protect children, to protect the borders. And if you're offended by that message, then why are we in this country? Support the country that you live in or live in the country that you support

sophie kakor an absolutely fascinating insight from baston bougie there as a conservative party member where do you stand on the whole tommy robinson question well the thing i would say to the media and the establishment that despised tommy robinson is the only way of getting rid of that man is by not creating a purpose for him in the first place and the reason why tommy robinson exists is because we've had scandals where there have been cover-ups of things like grooming gangs there has been this you know entrenchment of diversity equality and inclusion i mean we saw it with an iron government the other week where people who are white would actively discourage for applying jobs there have been situations like we saw in manchester airport where the government have

taken things as to try and not cause political events. The establishment themselves and political parties and the media have created a vacuum that ultimately is going to be filled by someone and if you create that vacuum you then kind of have to have part of a responsibility to why that thing exists. The reason why Tommy Robinson exists as he is and the reason why he has a place in sight, the reason why he has a voice is because the establishment has refused to engage with some of the very reasonable things that he says. Some of the ways he says things or some of what he does perhaps isn't the way I would put it. As somebody who's a little bit, probably a bit more moderate. However, the establishment is responsible for the creation of Tommy Robinson they they are because

they've created a vacuum of of perhaps of truth of perhaps you know being equal to other societies and ultimately that has led into this person flourishing and that's exactly kind of what happened to reform that's why the conservative party has to take responsibility for reform because we evacuated the right and ultimately we've created a vacuum as someone or something has filled it because that is politics and that's what happens and the thing is is the problem is based in bougie is that we're in a situation where the mainstream media in the uk will only talk about tommy robinson if it's in regards to a crime otherwise they simply want to pretend he's dead it's exactly the same thing that has happened to katie hopkins and to a lesser extent me now as well so what that means is you're never going to get coverage honest coverage from the mainstream media when it comes to Tommy Robinson.

Yeah, no, I 100% agree. And like I mentioned in that speech, my first ever, well, the first time I ever came across Tommy Robinson was when I was in year seven. And they basically painted him out to be this right wing extremist racist. So from then I just didn't hate him, but I just never really paid attention to him it wasn't until I watched one interview and I realized like I remember you know those moments in the movies where the main character just realizes like their mom is not really their mom and they're stuck in the matrix of what's going on that's what happened to me I just thought to myself how can this happen how can someone who has been spending years just protecting young girls who have been drugged and groomed and assaulted and also just wants the country's borders to be protected be painted out to be the reincarnation of Hitler?

But the reason why they are doing this is probably because they are probably being funded to do these things or someone's paying them to cover up these things. And that is what's building this distrust from the public they're no longer trusting the establishment because it's like why are you covering up so much evil that's going on in the world and why are you throwing people in jail for simply exposing it our establishment is supposed to be the people that is protecting us but yet they're covering it up and it's just scary times that we're living in honestly. Sophie Kikor, do you think that there's a risk for Reform UK that if they do not accept people like Bayston Bougie, people who support Tommy Robinson as part of their ranks,

that potentially there could be yet another splinter on the right and a party like UKIP could gain their support. And that doesn't work, does it, in our system? We do need some type of union on the right. No, exactly. And I think that's why, like I said, that because of the way the electoral system works in the UK and, you know, having to get broad support across the nation

in terms of seats, that's why, again, reformer having to sort of support across the nation in terms of seats that's that's why again reformer having to sort of rely on that broad coalition of voters between labor voters you know fed up conservative voters and those who are more to the right i think if we had a presidential system and again like you said earlier this is kind of why donald trump has actually kind of gone away yes in the sense that he hasn't had to condemn anyone because he can use that broad support to be elected as a presidential figure but unfortunately our electoral system is not a presidential race so even if you know Nigel was to want to become prime minister he would have to do it in a completely different way to Donald Trump um so yeah I do think there's a risk of that but I also

think you know reform have just got to play the numbers game and be smart in what they do and just stick to principles because ultimately people like principles. Can I chime in on that or is there time? Yes, please. Yeah, I think that, like you said, reform is playing the numbers game and it's kind of becoming obvious. But like I was saying earlier, it's like they do not have to do this. Like, for example, someone like Donald Trump, everything that he said towards the black community the mexican community he never apologized for it no matter how much media backlash he got never apologized never apologized for eight years later and now 70 of mexicans actually voted for donald trump the reason why they voted for him is because

they understand that this is a leader that will stand on business. Now, for Nigel Farage to now come and say that we should prioritise the Muslim votes, does he genuinely think that Muslims are going to trust him? They are not going to trust him because they are going to see that this is a leader that will pander depending on numbers. And what people want is a leader that will not pander and that will stand on business. And that's how Donald Trump has been able to gain so much success in his recent election because he stood on exactly what he said. So the Reform Party and their support for Tommy Robinson is essential.

It's not even a joke, but it's essential for them to support Tommy Robinson, for them to see themselves long-term in politics. So Basin Bougie, I know that Peter Cardwell, for example, watched our last segment on this show about this battle between Tommy Robinson and Talk TV. Can you give a message directly to Peter Cardwell and Piers Morgan today? Speak directly to them about why they are wrong on this. I'll keep it simple and sweet piers morgan and peter

cardwell if you think tommy robinson's a racist show the evidence thank you for coming to my ted talk love it okay great stuff uh do stand by based and bougie and sophie kacoran because in just a minute, really fascinating one actually for all the wrong reasons. What is with this woman, Lily Phillips, becoming a household name because she slept with 101 men in a 24-hour period? But first, winter is coming and so is cold and flu season. Viruses thrive in cold, dry air and our immune responses weaken in colder temperatures. I used to get sick often during these months, but I've avoided the flu all year and recover much faster when I do get a little cold. Now, you've heard me talk about Verso before. I've been taking it for months now, and their products have greatly improved my immunity, especially clean being. It's made with research-backed ingredients that boost your body's defense systems to fight off viruses when

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you check out and you will save 15% on your first order. So I'm just going to repeat that website address www.buy.ver.so forward slash outspoken. Use the coupon code Outspoken. But now, back to the show. What do you think of Lily Phillips? And what do you think it says about the United Kingdom? That a woman has become a household name, has appeared on national television, is making millions of pounds a year, and has more followers on social media than most politicians or TV presenters, simply because she's in a competition with herself over how many men she can sleep with in one day. Now this has sparked a huge disagreement from both sides of the so-called

feminist argument. Julie Bindel, for example, in The Spectator this week receiving criticism for blaming men for exploiting Lily Phillips. In just a moment, I'm going to have this conversation with two strong, young, conservative commentators, the Daily Express columnist Sophie Kikorin and the conservative YouTuber Based and Bougie. But just in case, and I really hope you are one of the people who hasn't caught up with the depravity of Lily Phillips, here she was this week announcing her latest challenge. I spent 14 consecutive hours getting round through and now I'm going to be doing 24 because I'm going to be going for the world record early February next year. I'm going to go for 1000. Now the thing is she claims that this is something

that makes her feel empowered, that she just loves this sort of activity. However, a fascinating YouTube documentary by Josh Peters suggests actually that might not be the case. This is what happened when he encountered Lily Phillips immediately after she had completed her challenge of sleeping with 100 men. This is what happened when Josh Peters confronted Lily Phillips the moment after she had completed her challenge of sleeping with 100 men. You ate?

I had a, I think I had a yum yum and I think I had a sandwich and that was kind of, and then the rest. It's not for the weak girls, if I'm honest. It was hard. I don't know if I'd recommend it. Why not? I think if you're a different type of girl, it's very, like... It's kind of like being a prostitute in a sense of, like, it's just a different... ..feeling.

I don't know how to explain it, like... It's not, like, just having sex with someone? Yeah, yeah. Just one in, one out. It feels intense. Like more intense than you thought it might? Definitely. And based in Bougie, we then saw Lily Phillips burst into tears,

have to walk off camera. What do you make of this disturbing new sexual phenomenon? I blame feminism. I blame this disease called feminism that started, I think, during the 60s and basically programmed women into thinking that men and women are the same. So whatever a man can do, a woman can also do the same thing. And what I find hilarious is at the start of that video she said it's not for the weak well of course it's not going to be for the weak because

women are the weaker vessel it's just facts we are not the same as men we're not as strong as men in fact you can see her eyes is red her nose is red it's not because she was crying she's crying because she's spiritually drained you know this very degenerate society has tried to convince women and men because no men should also be sleeping with 100 women that sex is just this act it's just this activity no it's an exchanging of spirits it's an exchanging of souls it's an exchanging of trauma and she has allowed 100 people in her she even mentioned that she only remembered five of those people so no men and women are not the same not saying men should be sleep with 100 people but this is an abomination

this should this is shameful and i think the best thing especially us christians should do well the public should do is first and foremost pray for her and two just not give her attention because the reason why she's doing this is not because she's enjoying it or because it's given her power but because of social media clicks clout has become a drug this this need for likes this need for your name and headlines this has become a drug for people so i think the best thing we could do for this lilly phillips situation is to pray for her and at the same time ignore her because if she does not get the attention she will essentially stop the problem with that sophie kikorin is though she actually became a phenomenon without any coverage from the mainstream media and i guess look that's one of the things that we all embrace right the democratization of the news of social media but it does also mean that a personality like lilly

phillips can become a multi-millionaire for doing this so Sophie how do you feel about what's going on with her? I mean first of all she is a prostitute and anyone that she quite literally is a prostitute and anyone that is encouraging this is just encouraging prostitution and the exploitation of vulnerable women and Julie Bender was wrong to say that it was the men that were responsible for this. The people that are responsible for this are actually her producers who are making a lot of money by completely compromising that woman's safety. I mean, they didn't even do basic checks on things like, you know, HIV and chlamydia and all sorts of those things. But the problem is, is that society has now become comfortable with making stupid people famous and i don't understand why we do it if you want to be empowered you know and this is someone who spent my whole life in politics the most empowering

thing you can do is start a campaign to keep the bus cap in cambridge here stopping them fencing off the field getting involved you know becoming someone who contributes to the world in a positive way not getting plowed through by a hundred men i don't think that's something young women should be inspired to but this actually was started with i know we're not blaming the mainstream media here dan but there is a show called love island and that show encourages women to you know run after men and degenerate themselves and be frankly stupid i mean some of those girls like is liverpool a country you know that's not true but my generation has grown up with that and i would imagine people like hilly phillips have grown up with that and then we've seen the encouragement of perhaps you know only

fans becoming creative so we've actually kind of normalized things like yeah you're so right actually you're so right it's like this is the obvious next step from love island it really really is and love island trust me has a lot to answer for for the issues in society. So the one area that I might not agree with you on there, though, Sophie, and I want to take a look at this video, is that I actually don't think Lily Phillips is stupid. I think she's a highly intelligent woman who wants to make money and knows how to make money and use her looks to do it but this is another section from the documentary uh so let's have a watch and we can react off the back i think somehow i was like feeling so like robotic like by the i think like the 30th you know like when we're getting on a bit i've got like, like, a routine of, like, how we're going to do this. And, like, it just... Sometimes you'd, like, disassociate and be like...

You know, like, it's not, like, normal things at all. In my head right now, I can think of, like, five, six guys, ten guys that I remember, and that's it. But it's just... I don't know, it's just weird, isn't it? Like, if I didn't have the videos I wouldn't have known I've done 100 you know but yeah I think that was kind of the hard part is like conversing with them and like like when they'd kind of be like oh like we've only had two minutes or three minutes and you said five on the message did someone say that to you yeah and obviously

just makes me feel so bad do you think you should feel bad about that I guess when you've promised something to people who support you it's kind of hard to let them down but it's up to you right like when you yeah yeah have you even processed do you think what's happened not yet god i won't forget this day jesus when i decided to start making this documentary i wasn't too sure based on bougie do you think she is being honest with herself about why she really feels so upset um in the clip she clearly is being honest with herself about the fact that she's doing it to impress her audience she said she has supporters and she's promised them something so she needs to deliver and this goes back to what i said when i said this fame social media clout culture has become a drug um so yeah she

is being honest with herself but you can be honest with yourself and also proceed to continue to do the same thing that you're sitting here and being honest about I mean I saw a poster where she said she's going to take it to a thousand people so she's being honest with herself for absolutely no reason and it seems as though she's not going to change because she's addicted to you know what's it called um clout and I think I blame this degenerate Kardashian culture where it's like in order to become famous you have to sell your body you have to sell your soul but a lot of these women are crying behind the scenes they feel disgusting behind the scenes and you can see that in her face she feels so disgusting disappointed in herself so i'm actually quite happy that that came out so that young girls who are considering to take this path of only fans or being a corn

star they actually reconsider how it will make them feel emotionally so yeah it's it's it's disgusting i'll say that it's disgusting this is what tristan Tate recommends that men do in regards to this situation. He writes, to do. There is an email address attached here. Please send your prayers and thoughts to this person, hoping they reach her before she ends up killing herself or something stupid. Or better yet, apply, get accepted, go undercover when it is your turn to violate her. Whip out an icon, a verse, a bible instead of your penis and interrupt this nonsense with prayer and well wishes change her mind in person and make this impossible to watch or edit is that a solution sophie kakora um i don't know i think one of the difficult things when this situation is a lot of people are saying obviously that she herself is

being exploited we also need to understand the concept of sort of OnlyFans as well. And obviously this is playing massively a part of it, is that OnlyFans actually is exploiting the men in order to make women rich. And a lot of those times they are vulnerable men who are lonely, who are probably picked last in PE, no offence. But these people who perhaps can't... Stop talking about me sophie those men who perhaps can't get those relationships in a personal way are then

spending a lot of money on people that don't care about them and prostitution originally started with the exploitation of women but now it has developed to the exploitation and the financial exploitation of vulnerable men. And I think it should be treated almost like gambling. Things like OnlyFans are just as dangerous as gambling. They break up the family unit. They make people struggle financially. And the people that struggle financially, unlike gambling, are actually gaining nothing from it.

I mean, in gambling, if you gamble, you might get lucky and win something. In OnlyFans, no one wins. And presumably then you disagree with this approach from Julie Bindle, which is to blame the men. Blame the men. Yeah. You don't think that's fair?

I don't think that's fair. I think don't i don't think that's fair i think men are being exploited massively by only fans and also the real people that are exploiting this woman are the producers who are making a lot of money from her don't forget she herself is making a lot of money but so is her production team and they've completely disregarded her welfare and it's these people who are the people that we should be aiming the fire at why why the places like only fans exist what is the need for places things like only fans i don't i don't believe it well the problem is though go out meet a partner and have sex and make kids yeah but the problem is we are dealing with a sexualization of our entire culture. And we saw another example of that this week.

Blue Ivy Carter. She is the daughter of Jay-Z and Beyonce. She is starring in Mufasa, which is the Lion King prequel. Now, you might look at that and think, beautiful woman, lovely dress. Doesn't she look great? Do you know she is 12 years old? 12. And that prompted Nick Buckley, a guy who's campaigned a lot against the sexual exploitation of women, to say we need to be self-critical when we constantly over-sexualize little girls. Even Disney are doing it. Why does a 12-year-old girl need to have her bosom on display

to sell a kid's film? And based on Bougie, he was very critical of Jay-Z as a man and as a father and claiming that he had actually let Blue Ivy Carter down by allowing her at 12 years old to dress like that. What do you think? Why is the world shocked? You know, why is the world shocked? First and foremost, Blue Ivy, she's growing up in a culture, well, in a world called Hollywood. Hollywood since the 1920s is infamous for sexually exploiting young children. Look at someone like Michael Jackson. He was

sexually exploited. Someone like Britney Spears her infamous Rolling Stone cover she was what 13 14 and the producers told her oh no it's nothing it's just a cute cover and then she absolutely got dragged by the media and then you have people like the Kardashians Kris Jenner literally sold her child um s tape she picked the best one and she sold it so that's the culture that's the norm for them the second reason why people should not be confused is because Beyonce is a harlot she is a harlot if you look at all of her music she promotes this like sexuality and sensuality obviously she makes music about other cultures I mean sorry other topics but most of her music is all about you know just being a sexy power empowered woman and a lot of young black girls have fallen into this trap so

of course her child is going to fall into this trap too and let's not forget Jay-Z's history Jay-Z used to be best friends with R. Kelly who was an infamous I can't say the word but it rhymes with emo not only that but he had relations with Foxy Brown he was this upcoming rapper when she was 14 years old 14 years old he was picking her up from school and taking her to the studio so this is just another day in the park for these people and of course um blue ivy growing up in this environment this is going to be the norm for her and as for me i'm just absolutely shocked because when i was 12 years old i looked like a little boy if you saw a picture of me at 12 years old you would scream and yet she's 12 years old her bust is up she has red lipstick she's contoured

her face and i just think this this is an abomination. But at the same time, how can we be shocked because both her parents are abominators, if that's even a word. What did you make of this one, Sophie? Because, of course, it came in the same week. And I have to stress he has strongly denied the allegations but it came in the same week that jay-z was accused of raping a 13 year old along with p diddy now again i stress he's denied it but an odd week to parade your daughter in that way yeah i definitely think so i mean this is not the first time that she's worn those sorts of outfits and in Hollywood I think there is a mantra that sex sells and talent doesn't um which is why a lot of the people that are in Hollywood are

famous for what they're doing um but it is really worrying and like you said I actually agree I actually looked like a little boy when I was about 12 years old because I pretty much was I enjoyed running around playing football and I just think they're going to put far too much pressure on this girl and to be quite honest I reckon that girl would probably end up becoming a Lily Phillips that enjoyed running around playing football. And I just think they're going to put far too much pressure on this girl. And to be quite honest, I reckon that girl will probably end up becoming a Lily Phillips of the world if we're not careful. It's true.

I mean, look, the whole world is becoming oversexualised. The problem is you have to wonder where it ends. And maybe we've got to that end point with Lily Phillips but it's going to be fascinating to see where she ends up and maybe not in a good way but it's brilliant that we have strong young woman like you two fighting the good fight such a pleasure to have you outspoken on the first on outspoken for the first. I really hope you come back. The Daily Express columnist, social media sensation, Sophie Cacoran. You know her from X.

You know her from X. And based on, and bougie, the YouTube conservative. Thank you both so much. Thank you. But don't go anywhere because coming up in the uncancelled after show, Angela Levin with the latest on two shocking royal revelations. Prince Andrew's friendship with a Chinese spy. Has he put our country at risk?

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