Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE SAYS SORRY TO TOMMY ROBINSON AT WEF FOR FALSE ASSAULT CLAIM ABOUT HIS EX-WIFE

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Nigel Farage issues an apology in Davos after falsely accusing Tommy Robinson of violence towards his ex-wife, a lie that has resulted in legal action by the Unite the Kingdom founder. But Tommy says that’s not good enough as he accused Reform UK of turning into the Uniparty. Dan is also fuming today about the fake truce between Robert Jenrick and Zia Yusuf. Remember, Jenrick accused Yusuf of antisemitism towards his wife and Yusuf advocated for Jenrick being locked up. Now they’re best friends. So we’ll put all of that to Reform’s latest mega defection – ex-Conservative MP and Margaret Thatcher loyalist Andrew Rosindell, who is now Farage’s party seventh MP. He’ll join Outspoken live for the Uncancelled Interview. Meanwhile, the other globalists who destroyed Britain and the West are being beautifully ambushed at the World Economic Forum. We're joined by the great independent journalist behind those ambush interviews, Callum Smiles of Vox Populi, live from Davos. PLUS: Prince Harry back in court for another day as the fallout over his dramatic evidence grows. We’ll have all the latest with Lauren the Insider and Brittany, Editor of the Royal News Network. AND: Now it emerges the Delusional Duke has been advising Brooklyn Beckham in his growing feud with his parents David and Victoria Beckham. That’s one man not to take PR advice from, so we’ll get into that. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: We’re live again for a special edition as Liz Hurley gives evidence in court against the Daily Mail with Lady Colin Campbell from the UK and The Sidley Twins of Twin Talks from the US. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Witten. This is outspoken episode number 410. And breaking right now, Nigel Farage, issues an apology in Davos after falsely accusing Tommy Robinson of violence towards his ex-wife, a lie that has resulted in legal action by the United the Kingdom founder. A record, a list as long as your arm. Violence, violence against women. I mean, I could go on now. You've said Tommy has a conviction for domestic violence for beating up women. It's not true. Would you correct that record? He beat up a policeman after an altercation with his wife. Listen, if I got that slightly wrong, I'm sorry, all right.

Well, Tommy says that's not good enough, as he accused Reform UK of turning into the Uni party. And I have to say, I'm a bit fuming today about this fake truce between Robert Jenrick and Zia Yusuf. Now, you might remember, Jenrick accused Yusuf of anti-Semitism. towards his wife. And Yusuf advocated for generic being locked up. Now we're meant to believe our best friends. So we're going to put all of this to Reform's latest mega defection, ex-conservive MP and Margaret Thatcher loyalist Andrew Rosendell, who is now Farage's party's seventh MP. He will join me live for the uncannselled interview shortly. Meanwhile, the other globalists who destroyed Britain and the West are being beautiful.

beautifully ambushed at the World Economic Forum. ...to vaccinate the people. Cushing disinformation the way you have. What is disinformation? What, the people have died? Why are you forced people in Canada to vaccinate? Come on, Bill. The theme of the West this year is spirit of dialogue. Let's have a conversation, an open dialogue.

Can you answer some of these questions? You could literally turn these people back at source, yet instead, your government procured hotels. What do you make of that? What's the difference? as priming this stuff. Much more of that in my digest next. Then I am joined by the great independent journalist

behind those ambush interviews. Callum Smiles of Vox Populi, he will be joining us live from Davos. Also coming up on the show today, Prince Harry back in court for another day as the fallout over his dramatic evidence grows as he attends the House of Lords for lunch. Is that really appropriate?

We'll have all the latest with Lauren the Insider and Brittany editorial. of the Royal News Network, and now it emerges that the delusional Duke has been advising Brooklyn Beckham. In this growing feud with his parents, David and Victoria Beckham, that's one man not to take PIA advice from, so we're going to get into all of that. Then in the uncanceled aftershow on Substack, we're live again for a special Royal Edition. We'll be here on YouTube as well, as Liz Hurley gives evidence in court against the Daily Mail. Lady Colin Campbell joins me from the UK, the Sidley Twins of twin talks from the US.

That is live 7pm UK time, 2pm Eastern, 11 a.m. Pacific. We'll also reveal a brand new greatest Britain and union jackass before the end of the show. Your last union jackass of the week, here are your nominees, Emily Maitlis, nominated by Anna Island, who says she's on the ground with the news agents in Minneapolis, ignoring the billions of fraud uncovered, claims she finds it dystopian that criminal who are also illegals are being deported. Nigel Farage, he is nominated by Darren Donaldson for his fake non-apology half-climed down

when asked about Tommy Robinson at Davos and Desmond Swain, nominated by Kaz Quinn for retweeting a shirtless man to his timeline then claiming his account was hacked and Karas has just said, maybe she doesn't believe him. I also just want to say before we kick off today, my thoughts are very much with the people of New Zealand after this horror landslide at Mount Monganui.

Now, this is a bit personal to me because I've had many family holidays just down the road from that campsite. It's midsummer, so no one would have been expecting this. But you can just see the bottom of the hill has completely come away. and nine people, including children missing, thought to have been trapped. Utterly heartbreaking story, sending all of my love to the people of Mount Monganui and New Zealand today. But now, let's go. If there was one result nobody was expecting from Nigel Farage's highly controversial visit to Davos

for the World Economic Forum, a corrupted organisation that remember Reform UK promised to reject at the last election. it was an apology to Tommy Robinson. But in a damning indictment of the UK's complicit and compliant right-wing MSM, especially GB News and talk TV, which you now know operates as the propaganda arm of Reform UK, it took Farage arriving at the elite talk shop to be asked, or to be ambushed, in fact, about his downright lies in regard to the Unite the Kingdom boss for which he is now being sued. And to Australian Avi Yemeni of Rebel News,

he even offered a weak source sorry and plea for a truth. Nigel, you had a lot of supporters that are Tommy Robinson fans and they were quite upset, obviously, with what you've said about Tommy. You've said Tommy has a conviction for domestic violence, for beating up women. It's not true. Would you correct that record? He beat up a policeman after an altercation with his wife. Listen, if I got that slightly wrong, I'm sorry.

All right. Nigel, immigration is basically. And I've no wish to have a fight with him as all. He does what he does. I do what I do. There we go. What do you say to people who are worried that you're turning into a light Tory party,

another version of it, because everyone's affecting? We're taking some experience from a Tory party. We're hollowing them out and we're leading the opinion polls. Don't worry. This won't be Tory 2.0. No chance. Now this is what Farage was finally saying sorry for. A list as long as your arm.

violence, violence against women. I mean, I could go on, Nick. And all I'm saying is, look, Mr. Robinson, do what the hell you like. We are totally separate from that. But Tommy isn't backing down. He has just posted, that's not an apology. When you told the whole country I have a conviction for violence against women, totally made up.

So the legal case continues, it seems. And Tommy is a thorn on the side for Nigel and for reform, which is why I think the way he's been dealt with is so shocking and so stupid. He continued to express the frustration so many of us on the right feel that Reform UK is the exact opposite of what it's meant to be, writing, what's the point of making a party to take on the Uni party, only to build a party out of the Uni party?

Yet Peter C. Vance, the only talk host who is a reform critic, believes the apology is a sensible, strategic move by Farage. he explained why, writing, well, this is being underreported on both sides of the right wing fence, after Nigel Farage performed the final stress test on reform and finally got the base under his control, polling numbers would go down, not up. However, I'm not so sure they were braced for this level of turbulence. This is also just smart strategy moving forward. This vague apology to Tommy Robinson to me looks like Farage is preventing a war on two fronts and the beginnings of an olive branch. Let's be very clear, Advance UK and Rupert Lowe are not going to form a government,

but targeted campaigns with the usual general election missteps and a strong funding game could see Ben Habib or whoever pick up a seat. Now on a hung parliament, which is the likely outcome, that's power. Reform UK will need allies and this is not a bad start. But Nigel was also challenged on the issues that matter to real conservatives, like Callum Smiles, questioning him politely on the degrable. camping from the Tories of Robert Jenrick, and he made it clear that Zua La Braverman is now the next on Defection Watch. It's been to Troy 2.0.

Now, immigration is what's basically got you at the head in the polls right now. Part of it. Robert Generic was the Tory minister that procured the asylum hotels. Do you not think that's possibly problematic? And he resigned. He resigned. That's the point about Rob. You're right.

He was there doing the same job as all the rest of them, and he woke up one morning and said, you know what, this is wrong. He was the only principle of resignation from the last government. If Suella Braven wanted to cross the board, would you welcome her? Oh, look, I'm not going to speculate on who might or might not come to the past. But when the Nadim Zahawi vaccine questions came up, Nigel Farage quite literally jumped away, jumped away into his people carrier.

The COVID vaccine problems are something that people are still, it's still freshen the memories of many. Now, in the conference where Nadim Zahawi joined, people are saying he rudely ignored a question, and Bay said it was a stupid question. Do you think that, did you think he got that wrong? Zahari is not a doctor. But his family do have shares in a pharmaceutical company.

Do you think he handled it wrong? Is that fair enough? So it was every pension fund, but he was a minister that did a job. But he was head of the vaccine roll out. He was the person that did that. Do you think that maybe he's not the best fit for, for reform? Can we get a pint back in London, Nigel? Thank you.

Now, of course, that exchange, in sharp contrast to the carefully curated Reform UK propaganda videos where he attempted to make his case. Riot, Nigel Farage is going to Davos. He's become a globalist. Slowdown. I spent 20 years going to the European Parliament. Never once did I change my views.

in fact, they probably hardened. And yes, I am going to Davos, as is President Malay of Argentina and Donald Trump of the USA. And my message to Davos is going to be very, very simple. You guys, the globalists, have had it your way for far too long. British governments have been craven to you, rather pandering to you

than standing up for the interests of British people and British workers. And I'm going to tell them, all of that is going to change. There is going to be a new government in Britain that puts British priorities first. So ask yourself a question. Would you rather I stayed at home or rather I went and gave that honest message? But that still wasn't good enough, and he knows it.

So he posted, I'm here in Davos to put the global elites on notice we will not live by their agenda changes coming to Britain, prompting Lauren the insider to scoff, this is like watching a little Britain skit. This clown is funded by the global elite. Can we get clarification regarding if you have accepted any Qatari funds, Nigel Farage? Tick-Tock. Yet once he was on the ground, Farage tried to prove his point again.

Britain has been absolutely craven to the globalist agenda for decade after decade, which has meant climate change policies, open borders, mass regulation, everything in favour of big business and not small business. And I'm here to put them on notice that whilst we'll work with them, We won't be dominated by them. We will not live by their agenda. It's part of the reason I campaigned in Brussels. I was about as popular in Brussels as I am here in Davos, let me assure you.

But I think trust is what is lacking with Reform UK at the moment. And the reason why the poll ratings remain stubbornly down and not at all at Tony Blair levels two years before his 1997. landslide. And to me, nothing represents that more than the fake reunion of Robert Jenrick and Zia Yusuf, which we've had to put up with today. Two men who, by the way, don't just despise each other, but actually want to destroy each other's lives. You'll remember Yusuf, and it's not funny. It's not funny. Of course, it's not Yusuf advocated for Gennaric going to prison. But then Generic really got the final blow by rumbling Yusuf for liking an anti-Semitic post

on X about his wife, he publicly argued for him to be kicked out of Reform UK and revealed that Yusuf's colleagues referred to him as EASYUSLUS. But now, apparently the BFFs. Yusuf posted a picture of them, sort of arm and arm, writing, Nigel Farage is building the most formidable team in British politics. Having spent time with Robert Jenrick, I am convinced he will be a quality addition to reform. Secure borders and deportations, law and order, a thriving economy, let's get to work. Surely Generic wouldn't buy into this rubbish. Oh, I was wrong. He retweeted it, and added Zia co-founded a business worth hundreds of millions of pounds and has now dedicated himself to fixing Britain. We share a contempt for the failure of our political class over the last

two decades. I look forward to working with him to turn Britain around. So I guess the anti-Semitic post to the wife didn't matter after all. I was sick of this, so I responded to both. Writing this doesn't make either of you look good. Months ago, Robert was saying you should be sacked from, Reform UK for anti-Semitism. You, Zia, meanwhile, suggested Robert should be imprisoned. We are sick and tired of politics as usual. How can we trust what you say? Power above principles.

And look, I know not all of you are going to agree with this, but it is the big problem for me. I think Reform UK is turning into a cult where only propagandists are allowed. The most astonishing U-turns, I just met with this response. Oh, it's just politics. You know, who cares what we said?

That's not good enough. We reject that style of politics. And that's what's so refreshing about seeing these leaders being put on the spot at Davos by true independent journalists from around the world without an agenda, like the former PM Rishi Sunak, now so disgraced by his record he can't even utter a word. Mr. Sunak, what do you make of the immigration crisis which the conservatives actually kind of were the worst for? You brought in a lot of small boat migrants and didn't get rid of them when you could have.

You could have left the UN asylum convention. You could literally turn these people back at source, yet instead your government procured hotels. What do you make of that? What's your biggest regret as crime in the South? Rishi, the biggest regret? Rishi, come on. Rishi, the theme of weft this year is spirit of dialogue. Can we, let's have a little chat.

Let's actually talk about those things. Same too for Bill Gates, who refused to accept any failure over the COVID vaccine. Mr. Gates, can you at least accept now that it is public domain and common knowledge that the COVID vaccine was basically a failure? Can you, can you accept that and at least apologize to the world for getting it wrong? It's okay to get things wrong. if you admit you get things wrong, when you are wrong.

Can you do that? Come on, Bill. The theme of the West this year is spirit of dialogue. Let's have a conversation, an open dialogue. Can you answer some of these questions? Okay, how about ignore these questions if there were complications with the COVID vaccine and you got things wrong and people were harmed and died?

Trudeau did engage, but pushed the ludicrous term misinformation. when Katie Perry's shag is the only one lying about his record. Human rights of those who didn't want to get vaccinated. Yet some people have died as a result of this. Is that really a smirking matter? Why you push the Canada to vaccinate the people? Pushing disinformation the way you have.

What is disinformation? What, the people have died? Why do you push in Canada to vaccinate? I'm sorry, but that's... The COVID vaccine. But that's not misinformation. My old cameraman's mother actually... and you pushed them into jail.

My old cameraman's mother actually died after complications from the COVID vaccine. So is that misinformation? Oh, now you're laughing. What a scumbag. At least David Miliband stopped to talk, but his total delusion about the true cost of mass immigration

on the disunited kingdom proves why Labour must never, and I think will never, be in power again. A lot of people at home, immigration is now the biggest thing when it comes to what matters to the electorate. That's costing us a lot. Do you think labour are dealing with that well? Which means costing us a lot? It's costing the country a lot, to house them, to feed them, to clothe them, to...

Just for the record, all the evidence is that people who come to Britain grow the economy rather than leech the economy. Not in small boats. They say doctors and engineers, but... I'm saying in total, in total, if you look at the net impact. Now, the specific impact in different parts of the countries is real. countries is real. And you're right, there's big challenge about it. But the government's doing something about it. And so, well, it's got both in respect of the small boats issue

and in respect of the backlog that they've inherited, people who came on small boats, and in respect of returns that need to be done. There's one guy that came, was returned and came back four times. He was literally, it was a revolving door, so you'd say their policy doesn't work. And the man behind those brilliant on the street world economic forum ambitions. Callum smiles of Vox Populi joins me live now from Davos. Callum, great work holding these leaders to account. And I will get to that in just one moment.

But I hear there has been drama for you in the past few hours in Davos. Trouble with the police? What's going on? Well, no, actually, well, firstly, can I just say, if we lose this, the Wi-Fi is really poor. and I'll try to get back on if possible, just so you know in advance. No, actually we were filing,

me and Billboard Chris were filing a police report because some rabid lefties basically came and started a fight with us last night in a restaurant. No way. Because of your work? So I was wearing, I've got a, the orange jumper you've seen in some of those videos.

It's a, it's a mink take of the just stop oil thing, but it says just stopped the boats. And he came over, an Englishman, funny enough, admitted to being an illegal immigrant here in Switzerland for three years. And he came to all, what's that about us? It's about, you know, stopping illegal migrants coming into the UK. And then he basically went into a tirade about how I'm racist and all this, started a scrap. It was then pulled away.

He then came back later with his friends, where he didn't realize that I was with Billboard, Chris, someone who he, let's say an old enemy of his. So yeah, it's been, to think that I've chased the likes of Trudeau, Bill Gates, Rishi, to think the video that we're going to release of this is possibly going to outdo them all. Well, I look forward to that. I absolutely do. But look, I want to kick off with Nigel Farage,

because of course, you and Avie Emi of Rebel News made a lot of news with this apology to talk. Tommy Robinson. I mean, it's extraordinary that no one has really pushed him on this in the United Kingdom. It's taken him to go to Davos. But a lot of people are saying, actually, that was a non-apology apology. What was your take actually being there? Was he dismissive of Tommy? Because he did then say, oh, well, he did beat up a police officer. Or was he taking it seriously, given he then did say, look, I'm not looking for a fight, which was quite interesting. Yeah, it was interesting to him,

but ultimately, as you saw for my questions there, Avi and Tommy are very good friends, so that's kind of the angle that he was going for, Abby not being a Brit. The angle I really wanted to get to the bottom of was, you know, the UK electorate because this man is possibly going to be the next prime minister, yet many people who had such high hopes in Nigel

are starting to wonder if this is basically just a diet conservative party. And many are wondering about, you know, especially generic, you know, the man who procured the asylum hotels and also said that rural areas must take more, well, he's now joined Nigel, who's basically leading the polls purely on immigration. To me, it doesn't add up. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. but he didn't really like your questions. I mean, I thought the Swala Bravman thing was interesting.

Clearly, she's on defection watch will probably be the next. I mean, I've got a bit of insight into that because Zia Yusuf completely mucked the whole thing up a few months ago. You might remember her husband, who's a great guy, Rayal Bravman, actually quit the party over it because Yusuf was, again, advocating for Zwella Braverman to be locked up. I mean, it was totally nuts. I just think he doesn't want any big names into the party because he's trying to protect his own position. But it was interesting that when Farage actually stopped talking to you and you saw him sort of very quickly, he like jumped into the people carry. He couldn't wait to get away.

Was when you bought up Nadim Zahawi, because this is the defection that woke up a lot of people. The bloke behind the vaccine roll up, the vaccine pusher in chief, the vaccine passport pusher in Chief, now senior at Reform UK, got his finger and all of this, do buy dirty money. I mean, Farage struggles to deal with that one, right? I mean, there's own goals. And then there's bringing in Nadim Zahari, who has pissed off many, many people in the UK, especially the electorate. I mean, you've seen this week, I have focused a lot.

I know some people the COVID area is over, but, you know, for many, it's not, and I don't think it ever will be. And these are questions these people really should answer. But what I can't wrap my head around is that I actually think this was the perfect opportunity for Nigel. I mean, we've had well over 10 million views this week. this is the perfect chance for him to either kind of go right we can maybe distance ourselves from Nadine because it's gone down like a fart in a lift

or he can actually try and spin it instead he just kind of went neither way and just it felt very dismissive No there's no answer because he's not used to having to answer these questions there were other really important issues though and I wanted to show you Christine Lagarde you ambushed her She's the president, of course, of the European Central Bank,

because this is one of the big issues, you know, cash, and people aren't talking about it enough. There is a war on cash. And you did, I mean, she didn't want to go there, but you did manage to get her to engage. Watch this. For things in cash, over a thousand euros, illegal. I'm not giving any interview, but thank you for trying.

No, no, I don't necessarily want to interview. But it's the people of Europe want to know why they can't use cash to certain extent. because someone would suggest that's about a control and the state taking charge over what people can and can't spend their money. And sure, that's a fair question. And five notes will always be available. We're working on this, and we will continue working on making sure that that's available for people. But do you still believe...

One last question. Do you still believe that people shouldn't be able to spend over £1,000 in cash for an individual purchase? It's a simple yes or no, Mr. Lagarde. Christine, the West theme this year is spirit of dialogue. You're touching me, actually, is a public path and you're walking to me. The theme this year is a spirit of dialogue. You have previously been convicted of criminal charges, criminal negligence,

for spending over 400 million years of taxpayers' money. Why can't you answer a simple question? And they don't want to talk about the war on cash, do they, Callum? You know what, my biggest regret of West this week is that I didn't get a one more. time because I thought, oh, hold on, I could ask her this in French. Let's see if I can get her in two languages and say, look, I don't, maybe you didn't understand my English. Well, you know, let's speak.

New Palons en Franca. But unfortunately, I didn't get that chance. But interesting, actually, this afternoon, one of the drivers, one of the Weft shuttle drivers, he pulls over and goes, hey, hey, hey, I turned and looked. He went, you're doing great work. that Lagarde the Lagarde video I love it

I was oh where you come from I'm from Romania I was asked you're a European citizen you know is this something that concerns you a lot is like yeah because if they stop us from be able to use cash

then they control everything we do indeed which is why they want to do it so I love the work you were doing the accallum for Vox Populi well done hold them all to account keep going and I can't, well, I don't know if I can wait to actually see this next footage, which sounds like it's going to be very, very dramatic, but you have done great work over there,

holding the globalist to account. Thank you so much. That is Callum Smiles, who is of course from Box Populi. Now, the uncanceled interview. And it's so interesting the Reform UK story at the moment, isn't it? Because what is going on with this party? Is it a party of the left? Is it a party of the right? Well, one of the big new signings. Now the seventh Reform UK MP is Andrew Rosendale. So delighted to have you back on outspoken. Andrew and I want to get into it all today. But let's start with the crazy left because something really shocking is happening in British politics now. It is the constant equating of patriotic positions with Nazism, with comparisons to Hitler. And Lee Anderson, your now chief whip, is calling this out.

After that little Ramona Virgin scumbag, Femi Olorale, said, Lee Anderson is going full Nazi, calling his opponents an infestation, telling his followers to fight, saying there will be casualties. Now, Lee hit back at this saying, I think Femi needs to spend less time in his bedroom. It's not normal out of his age. And I mean, look, it's not. But to me, this is very disturbing what's going on with the left, Andrew. So I want to show you this and get your response.

There is an infestation in our parliament, an infestation of career politicians who put their parties before people. Talking about your political opponents as an infestation is basically saying that they're vermin. And vermin implies that they need to be exterminated. And the irony is, he goes on to explain. why they reserve this, but he's actually describing himself. Politicians that promise one thing and then deliver another.

Politicians that treat us all with content and politicians that will say anything to get into power. I've seen it first hand. Yes, he has seen this firsthand because he has himself admitted to doing that. At the next election, we haven't got those three things. We're going to have to think of something else. It'll probably be a mixture of culture wars and trans debate. That's him admitting on camera that he will weaponize issues of social justice and equality.

inequality to win a campaign. He explicitly admitted to stoking culture wars in order to win a campaign. So culture wars turning people against each other, spreading division among the UK, making us hate each other, tearing apart the fabric of British society for his own political gain. So while everything you just heard is extremely dangerous and very reminiscent of the 1930s, it's important to remember just how hypocritical he's being. See, I think that is what's dangerous. I've got one more example to show. you, Andrew, again, another activist who I think is Stoking Division and racism targeting Reform UK on LBC. I don't know why LBC give this racist a platform. Watch this. If you think about those that are less educated, they are more likely to have less opportunities

as a result. And if you have less opportunities, that means that you have less earning potential. If you have less earning potential, it's more likely that you're going to be financially insecure. And if you are financially insecure, it's more likely that you're just going to be insecure in general. You're going to lead with fear, you're going to lead with focused on feeling threatened. And most importantly, you're going to be conscious of the competition. Who is regarded as the competition nowadays, thanks to your ilk, Andrew, and reform, its immigrants, black people and brown people. So ultimately, when you think about those that are less educated, it's simply an ingredient for insecurity. And that's the, I think, the golden thread, the salient word, the operative word that that runs throughout this dynamic.

So, Andrew, we're obviously going to get into all of your defection and talk all about that. But I wanted to just start by saying, how disturbing is it that we now have a left in this country that is accusing your new party of being racist and comparable to the Nazis? I think it is deeply unpleasant and actually says everything about them and the kind of people they are. I have been in politics for 45 years, 25 years as an MP. I meet people of all different opinions and I respect people's views and I treat people in a decent way. We may disagree but ultimately we should all be working for the best interests of the country. Now these people are actually trying to devise. Britain. They are the very people who are to blame for the cultural divide that we see now so often

in this country. And they've done so by showing their hatred towards Britain, towards our culture, our traditions, our customs. And all the things that I've grown up loving, they seem to have grown up hating. And then they teach their children to do the same. And then in schools and universities, young people finish up also being indoctrinated with this hatred of the left. So yes, I am disgusted by such people. I encounter it all the time myself. I've always been proud to wear the flag and be patriotic and the name calling that I have to endure from the left-wing people

who frankly are out just to be as nasty as they can. And I think to try to put me off, well, they haven't done so. But there are far too many people like this in our society. Now we need to fight back. Yeah, we do. I mean, I couldn't agree more with that. And your defection, Andrew, which obviously was very much connected to the government's anti-British, I would argue, anti-West policy when it comes to the Chegos Islands, did not go down well in Parliament, of course,

with the Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper, responding. this way. Watch. Mr. Mr. Speaker, sir, will the foreign... Will the foreign secretary explain that if and rightly so, she supports the self-determination of the Greenlandic people as part of the Kingdom of Denmark, why does she not also support

the self-determination of the Shagothian people to remain a British overseas territory? I would just say to the Honourable Member, he likes to call himself a patriot. He has just joined the party that is the weakest on Russia by a leader who has continued to question the role of Russia beginning the Ukraine War, the role of NATO and also even in the Salisbury killings. I think he should look a little bit inwards before he tries to make points in here. Now, Andrew, I thought that was a disgusting answer, actually, because what she didn't do was speak at all about the Chagosian's right to self-determination, the total hypocrisy of this government.

100%, Dan. It was a disgraceful answer. My question was absolutely legitimate and is a question that all government should answer why they've denied the Shagos Islanders, the right of self-determination. It's not just the country. government. I'm afraid this has been going on a very long time. In fact, only today I raised in Parliament, I quoted from Sir Alan Duncan, who was a minister at the time, who said that they don't believe that the Shogosian people have the right of self-determination. Look, you can't say that the Falkland Islanders do. You can't say Gibraltar does, but then deny it to the Shagos Islanders. The whole thing is an outrage, and it's a denial of human rights, a denial of democracy, And the fact that Yvette Cooper deflected onto other things and did not answer a simple question, if we're saying that Greenlandic people must have self-determination as part of the kingdom of Denmark,

then why shouldn't the British Agosians have the same rights for their islands? It's quite a strange question. And she just refused to even acknowledge the point. No, of course. But it's insane hypocrisy. We know why they're doing it, because slip. priest Stama is finished and so he has to now try and keep the left of his party on side. Huge developments on that today, Andrew.

What are you hearing at Westminster? Andrew Gwynn, who is a close ally of Andy Burnham, has stood down as the MP for Gorton and Denton. That is now official. Potentially, that means Andy Burnham could stand if he gets through the rigmarole in terms of Labour approving him to do so. There are lots of technicalities connected to that, which we don't need to go into. But fundamentally, I do wonder if he could actually win that seat versus Reform UK, which put up a very strong second at the last election. What are you hearing? Is this the

start of an Andy Burnham leadership challenge to... I think it probably is. I think it probably is. I know Andrew Gwyn. I'm sorry about what happened to Andrew. He's been suffering in the last year or so, and I'm sorry to see him leave Parliament. But quite clearly, this is a great opportunity for Andy Burnham. It means he can come back as an MP potentially in a constituency within his area. But of course, he has to win that by-election. He can't just assume, A, he's going to be the Labour candidate, because I'm sure that Kirstana will move heaven and earth to stop him being the Labour candidate, but secondly, he then has to win the election. I don't think way things are at the moment, any Labour candidate can expect to win any constituency because they are so... No, I don't think Labor

can win a seat. I don't think Andy Burnham will get egg on it over his face and it could well be a Reform UK Member of Parliament there on that by-election. Then it's over. One more thing from the left before we move on to what's going on on the right. There is a bid at the moment to try and paint Robert Jenrick, very close ally of yours, a guy who really probably caused your defection. I think it's safe to say. You had been instrumental in terms of, you know, helping him be introduced to the right people within Reform UK, given your close relationship with Nigel Farage. The left in this country, the mainstream media in this country, we're now trying to paint him as sexist. This was quite a shocking exchange. I don't know if you've seen it yet, Andrew, but between

Kate McCann on Times Radio and Generick himself, who was clearly livid about this suggestion. Watch. So you've criticised directly. Pretty Patel, Liz Truss, Kemi Badenock, they're all women. And in fact, you repeatedly referred... What's that got to do anything?

Let me finish... I'm sorry, that's a completely nonsense, Clark. And I also mentioned Mel Stride in my speech the other day. Let me finish the point. you repeatedly referred in your press conference to Kemi Badenok. Now, you know that's not how she says her name, and you know it irritates her.

Why did you do that? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I can explain again. If you can't think that this is important, then you need your head checking. What matters here is the state of the country, and the country's in a real mess. And I think people really are concerned with,

I think people are concerned with how their leaders portray themselves and their party in public. And many people watching your press conference suggested it looked quite blokey. It was quite dismissive of female journalists and female politicians. You repeatedly called the former leader, well, your former leader, Kemi Badenok, not Badenok, when you know that's not how you say, Hennon. Some people might question why you do that. Honestly, Kate, I've no idea what you're talking about.

I don't have any memory of that. I think most women will know. It's complete nonsense. And if you're trying to suggest that somehow, you know, I don't respect women as a husband, as a father of three daughters, I actually find that extremely offensive. So please, let's talk about something that matters to the public here, which is how are we going to fix the country? And that's the argument that I made on Thursday. I mean, she absolutely was suggesting that. Wasn't she? Andrew.

What did you make of that exchange? No, it was just dreadful. I mean, come on. Robert is absolutely not sexist. He's a good man and he's respectful to everybody. You know, for him to be questioned in that way is quite frankly disgraceful. She wasn't asking him serious questions about serious issues. You know, she was trying to somehow malign him.

And I think it was one of the worst things I've seen in recent times. And how Robert, who anyone that knows Robert is a very, very strong person, but he's very gentle, very considerate, and would never go out to offend anyone. So frankly, I think that interview really says a lot about Kate than it does about Robert. I think he handled it very well. And he said, let's talk about things that really matter, and rightly so. Yeah, and look, I've been a big fan of Robert for a long time. Like you, I supported him becoming conservative party leader, not that I support any political party, but I think he would have been the way to save the Tories. And I was very clear about that. Also, by the way, been very clear about

the fact I'll never vote for the Conservative Party again after the betrayal of the past 14 years and so many mistakes. So I do understand, obviously, part of the motivation behind getting out. But when it comes to generic, it's something I've been really disappointed about today. And it's your party's head of strategy or head of policy, I think, is his new title. Zia Yusuf. Now, do you know Zia, Andrew, have you been in contact with him? Because most people seem to suggest he's a really nasty piece of work. And he had previously liked a post on X, an anti-Semitic post on X about Robert Generic's wife. And we're now meant to believe that these two are like best of mates? Well, I have met Zia, but only very briefly. I shook his hand

the other day as I was leaving the Reform UK HQ. I haven't had any conversation with him. I don't know, I don't know whether he and I will get on. I hope we will. But, you know, obviously there has been issues in the past between Robert and Zia. I understand they have since spoken and have made up. I hope that's the case because, you know, we need a united party because the real enemy is the socialists. These are the people we need to defeat. We need to get rid of the far left who have such an influence on this government and could even have a worse government next time if you have liberals, Placembourg, the Greens, the SMP, and Labour working together. So I think, as I've said all along, we need to somehow bring the right together. And I think that with Robert, sadly, didn't become lead to the Conservative Party.

I agree with you completely. I think had Robert become leader, I think we would not be in this situation today. I think that the Conservative Party would have been stronger. But that wasn't to be. And you're right also that one of the pivotal moments for me was when Robert defected. I was very upset to not be in the same party as Robert. I'm now actually very happy to be back in the same party as Robert. Robert and we work very closely together.

No, I understand that. I do. I think where I've got a real issue is whether you can even say now that Reform UK is a party of the right. And I'll give you an example. A green councillor recently was welcomed in to the party. I hardly if nutter who used to support the tipwistra, Zat Pallanski. The next affection is going to be from Labour.

Look, you're a true conservative, okay? I totally accept that, Andrew. I know your background and I know you are a true conservative, a true patriot. But are you not concerned with all of the policy positions from Reform UK lately that actually are moving the party not to the right, not even to the centre, but to the left? No, I don't actually think that is true because we don't want to go in a left-wing direction. What I think is true, however, is that there are a lot of people trapped in parties that they join or vote for, and then actually they're not really suited to that party, but for other reasons they think, oh, we're part of that. For instance, there are tons of people who are lifelong Labour voters, and they are, I would call them a lot of class conscience, conscious Labour voters.

They vote because they think it's a thing to do because they work in class, because they be their father and grandfather voted Labor. But actually they are conservatives with a small C, but they don't realize it. And I think there are lots of people in the Labour Party, and I know them from Bromford. There's a lot of people here who vote Labor all their lives, but who say to me, well, Andrew, we actually agree with you on most things, but we always vote Labor. So I've got no problem with seeing Labor members and people from other parties joining reform. It can't be a new Conservative Party. Reform is a new party. It has a new vision for the country.

And yes, I believe it is a right of centre party. And I think that we have to start afresh. And that's what the country needs at the moment. So I don't really think there's much chance. People like me and Robert Generic and Nigel, I mean, you know, you can't ever say that any of us are on the left or that we would allow the Reform Party to go in that direction. obviously one of the other big issues is the fact that, and obviously you were part of the party, I do appreciate that, but you weren't in the cabinet. So some of the architects of the Boris wave are now in reform. So, I mean, there's this weird sort of coming together of the left and the right on some of these issues. Let me show you this ex-exchange, and I'll get you to respond. Navarra Media posted seven members of Boris Johnson's cabinet have now joined.

Charlie Downs, who is a supporter of Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain, said, Reform is not just rebuilding the Tory Party, but its worst, most treacherous wing. The architects of catastrophic mass immigration lockdown, crippling tax, and record money printing and inflation. We placed our trust in these people in 2019, and they inflicted upon us a level of betrayal that in any other time would have been met with the gravest consequences imaginable. we must not make the same mistake again in 2029. Do you understand why people feel that? I mean, Nadim Zaharwe.

Come on, Andrew. Come on. You don't want to be in a party with Nadine Zahawi, do you? I was never in the government. I was arguing for reform-style policies all the way through. No, I know that. I know you were. Yeah, I've been arguing that the type of things that reform in our saying,

I've been arguing that's exactly what the conservative. And by the way, can I just say before you go on, I am not one of those people, actually. There are some people who said, you know, every single person who was a member of the Conservative Party to hell with you all. That isn't me. I do judge you all personally on your record. So I do think there are some solid people, a tiny handful. You were one of them. Actually, Robert Jenrick was one of them.

Soala Braverman was one of them. But it's a tiny little handful. of people. But Nadim Zahawi absolutely wasn't. You know, he was a vaccine pusher, a vaccine passport guy, really bad defection in my honest opinion. Look, I mean, there are people that think that. Do you think that? I don't agree with with the deem on a number of issues when he was part of the government. But I do think he's a very capable man. I think he's got a lot going for him. But I don't know whether he intends to to come back into Parliament, all he intends to do.

What I do know is that Nigel wants people with experience. He wants people who accept, to be fair to Nadim and to some of the others, they have repudiated all these mistakes. And they've said they want to help Nigel, because they've got the experience and the knowledge of being a government, to actually make sure that when he's Prime Minister, that there will be a successful government. You know, they've lived in these corridors of power.

They've dealt with the civil servants. they've run government departments. So I think Nigel needs more people with knowledge of that. And I think that's why he's pleased to welcome some of them. But I agree. I think there has to be a limit because some of these people really failed the country very badly in those 14 years. They really did. I sat there as an observer, never being a minister, never being involved in a decision-making,

but cringing at some of the disastrous mistakes that were made. For instance, all those dreadful lockdowns, which I voted against. All of them. Totally. But Nadine Zaharwe was in the cabinet. I know. I know. And I didn't vote for those lockdowns, but the immigration, despite the borisway. The borisway, but the massive increase in immigration over the 14 years when in every election, Conservative Party promised to do something about it. And they never did. So, oh, and Brexit, by the way, you know, great, fantastic that we got out of the European Union. But we didn't capitalize on those opportunities. You know, we were out, we actually finished up not making the most of the...

No, it's a disaster. Jacob tried. It was a total disaster. Okay. What about... It was a big letdown. And that, you know, that's one of the reasons why I'm rather tired of all the promises of Conservative Party keeps making over and over again.

But when they're in office, they don't do what they say they're going to do. And I'm tired of being part of that machine. And I agree with that. What about the challenge to the right, though, of Reform UK? I mean, the treatment of Rupert Lowe, and Ben Habib was, in my opinion, disgusting. I'm not sure if you know Ben and Rupert or have a personal relationship with either of them.

But of course, the problem is they are building quite a movement. Like Ben Habib's Advance UK now has 40,000 members, restore Britain. We don't know the number of members. Of course, at the moment, it's a political movement rather than a party. But are you concerned about a challenge to the right of Reform UK led by those two men?

I do know Ben and I do know Rupert and I've always had good relations with them. The reality is, Dan, this country is in the grip of the worst socialist government we've ever had, certainly in my lifetime. I fear for the future of this country. I really do. I don't have confidence the Conservative Party will solve these problems or even get to the place where they've got the right policies to solve the problems. I think Nigel's the only person that can win the next election. He's the only person that can be Prime Minister. And I would say to everybody, we need to unite behind Nigel. And whatever differences individuals may have had in the past, and we all fall out sometimes. I don't know. You know, politics is a funny old game and people do your best friends one minute

you. But Tia Yusuf reported Rupert Lowe to the police. It was a bit more than a falling out. And come on, you know what it's like, Andrew. I know what it's like. There is nothing worth. than a false allegation to the police. It can ruin your life. We have both had to fight completely false allegations against us that were designed to destroy our lives. And what happened to you was absolutely despicable. But that's one of the reasons why I thought

what happened to Rupert was so terrible. See, Yusuf reported him to the police for hurdy words, wanted him locked up. So I think that one of the horrible things in society today that too often people get falsely accused of things. Yep. And it's because people get jealous or they knock you up for some other reason or you've got some person with mental health problems

or whatever it might be. It's a nasty world out there. So I don't obviously don't condone anyone that's, I just want to get back to the principle of innocent to proven guilty actually. Totally. I don't think anyone should suffer or have anything removed from them unless, you know, they go through a proper process of justice and they're found guilty, I understand that, that's fine.

But when people... Just watch out Vizier Yusuf, I'd say to Maffi. On a broader point, whatever's gone on in the past, we have to bring somehow the right together. And I believe that the only person realistically... You think Nigel is what to do it. Okay, look, just final person I want to ask you about is Laila Cunningham, because there's been a lot of controversy since she was selected to be

the mayoral candidate for reform you. to run against Sadiq Khan. A lot of people were hoping, including me, that the guy was going to be Ant Middleton. Do you remember he was very tight with Nigel and Nick Candy and travelled to Washington, D.C. He's now running as an independent. And he says, and this is a very controversial view,

but it's one I agree with Andrew. I'll let you know. I'll give you an opportunity to respond, but I just want to show you what Aunt Middleton said, hair on outspoken yesterday, which is that Leila Cunningham is not the right person to run for Mayor of London because we don't need them.

to replace Sadiq Khan. Watch this. Read the room, the layout of the land. People don't want another Muslim mayor. Multiculturalism has failed in the UK. It's a failed concept. Hence why I'm saying this, that we need natives, Brits. And that tweet as well, that ex post, that's up for scrutiny. You know, I believe that you should be at least born in the country. You know, no foreign nationals that aren't born in the country should hold these positions. Even, and I believe, if your parents,

aren't born in this country, then you shouldn't hold those top-tier. And that would exclude Layla Cunningham. And I wouldn't have said that, like I said, 10, 15 years ago. But only because of the layout of the land where we're at now, where we have lost of identity, our culture's being suppressed, everything is falling apart that we need to put these in place and go, do you know what, let's go back to the roots,

let's go back to our DNA, let's go back to our culture. Do you understand where he's coming from, Andrew? I think multiculturalism has failed and I think that we should all be British first and foremost. I think that's the key thing. You know, we shouldn't be, you know, multinational within Britain. We should all be British and we should cherish our British laws, our British customs, our British traditions. And that should be the most important thing. And it doesn't matter what religion or colour you are.

I think it's about, you know, are you British and do you actually uphold the values of this country? And so I think it's about the individual concern. And I think that each party is obviously going to choose the best person they think is going to be there to win the election, the best chance of winning. I have met Layla a couple of times. I don't know her that well. But frankly, I think that everybody in London I speak to just want to get rid of Zadik Khan. He is a complete calamity as mayor. and if Leila can knock him out and I really hope she can,

then fantastic because that man has done so much damage to the whole of Greater London. And Dara's like mine, almost nobody will vote for him, but we have him imposed on us and we can't wait to see him out of City Hall. Yeah, that's for sure. That is for sure. Well, look, Andrew Rosendell really respect you for coming on,

taking the questions given I am critical of some elements, of what Reform UK are doing, but obviously I'm a big supporter of yours and have been for many years. So it's great to have you back on outspoken. Congratulations. Now, Reform UK's seventh MP. Let's be very careful around Zia, Yusuf.

That's my advice. Oh my God. I can't actually believe this, by the way. Brooklyn Beckham is now being advised by Prince Harry. You know I'm pretty supportive of Brooklyn in this ludicrous blow-up with David and Victoria Beckham.

But if there is one human being, you must not be listening to at the moment, Brooklyn. It is the Duke of Delusion. This is insanity. This is madness. We need to save you from that advice. And of course, Harry is providing this advice as he arrived in court for a fourth day today, having released a very unprofessional statement

after giving evidence against the Daily Mail yesterday. So we are going to get into all of these developments with two of our favourites, Brittany, editor of the Royal News Network from the US and from here in the UK, Lauren the Insider. But first, let me take you through the shocking reporting from Rob Shooter of Shooter Scoop, who has revealed. I still just can't get over this. The advice from Prince Harry, which is how to leave your family and tell his story. Brooklyn, seriously, it didn't go well for Prince Harry. He looks like he's aged about 20 years over the past 12 months.

But this is the exclusive information from Shooter Scoop. Prince Harry has quietly stepped into an unexpected mentoring role, advising Brooklyn Beckham on how to navigate a very part. public break from his family. And yes, that guidance includes book advice. An insider telling Shooter Scoop, Harry sees a lot of himself on Brooklyn. He doesn't want Brooklyn to make the same emotional and strategic mistakes he made when he first broke away. Okay, at least we've got some acknowledgement of reality from Harry for once. According to sources, Harry has offered both personal and professional counsel, urging Brooklyn to slow down.

Protect his mental health and think carefully about timing and tone. Harry told him, Don't burn everything at once, the source adds, you only get one chance to tell your story the right way. Rob Schueter goes on with his exclusive report. Here's where things get really interesting. Insiders say Harry has connected Brooklyn with his own book publisher, offering guidance on how a potential tell-all could be framed,

not as revenge, but as reclaiming his voice. Harry stressed that honesty works best when it's controlled, thoughtful and human. Privately, Harry has also warned Brooklyn about the aftermath. He told him the freedom is real, but so is the fallout, the insider reveals. You lose people, you get misunderstood. And once it's out there, you can't take it back. Still, Harry believes Brooklyn deserves to tell his truth, just smarter than Harry did the first time around.

This is mentorship, born from scars, the source says. Harry's trying to help him survive the part no one, prepares you for. Now, of course, there are two sides to this story, and there are high-profile people like Simon Jordan now speaking out in defence of David and Victoria. Watch this. It's not a child, he's a grown man, an ungrateful little toad of a son as well. The utterings of a rather ungrateful young son that would be nowhere in this world if it wasn't for his father's name, your name would be worth about 1P if it wasn't Beckham. I think it's ironic that he talks about the media curated life whilst issuing a media-based

statement. David talks about the idea that your children make mistakes. He's not a child, he's a grown man. And some people would say that actually the smart move for the Beckham's would be to lean into this to suggest that ultimately we're like everybody else, suggest that we like everyone else have problems in our family. We have an ungrateful little toad of a son as well. And lots of you out there will have the same thing. Okay. So look, I know this is the story that has divided the nation, but let me bring in Brittany and Lauren. Now, Lauren, seriously, I think I'll have to withdraw all support from Brooklyn Beckham if he seriously continues to listen to Prince Harry.

Now, we know this had previously been leaked that there was this alliance gathering and that Nicola Peltz and Megan Markle had also been together at a dinner, but it's like, Brooklyn, no, no, you do not do this the way Prince Harry has done this. Is he mad? Well, I'm worried Prince Harry might have got in there already, Dan, because just before I came on to do this interview, there are pap shots of Brooklyn and Nicola on a beach in Malibu. And anyone that's been to Malibu knows that if you are going to be packed,

you need to tell them exactly where you're going to be. Obviously, it was Nicola with her arms around Brooklyn. So I'm feeling really torn now because I actually was supportive of Brooklyn. You know, having read his statement, there are parts of, you know, me that do feel bad for him. He didn't choose to be born into a family that are front page news all of the time. But if you want privacy, you don't set up PAP shots. So he is, well, I believe he's probably been taking advice from Prince Harry

because this is utterly stupid. And we see Prince Harry, don't we, time and time again, says he wants privacy. and then the minute he gets out of court, his spokespeople are there giving comments to the press. It's like, which bloody one do you want? Private life or public life. It's not that hard to work it out. Yeah, and that is the great hypocrisy here, isn't it?

I guess I should point out, too, by the way, for those who don't know, Lauren the insider, before she became an independent media sensation, was one of the United Kingdom's top PR professionals working with celebrities to crisis-managed situations like this. So she's got a lot of experience. She also knows the Beckham's personally. But Brittany, I mean, I wouldn't say they're fra.

Definitely not after what I've said about David. But I have met them many times socially. And I do have to say they've always been very pleasant. But they know how this game works. I mean, Victoria Beckham has the media working for her in essence. They're not going to write anything that she doesn't like. She's incredibly powerful. for behind the scenes.

Brittany, we haven't spoken about this yet. What's your feeling? I mean, firstly, I guess huge mistake to take any advice from Harry and Megan seriously about how to manage family relations. Yes, and in this particular instance, I do have to say I'm always on the side of not airing your dirty laundry. Once you do that, you're basically inviting people even more. more into your life because Brooklyn says, well, my mom danced inappropriately with me at my wedding.

Now everybody wants to see what that looks like. Is there a video somewhere? So we can all judge. So instead of when he's demanding privacy, he's actually asking for more invasion into his life in order to justify his victim narrative. And to me in much of that statement, yes, of course, he comes from a famous family. That is complicated and difficult in more ways than most of us could probably imagine. But at the same time, a lot of it, like the slights he was talking about just seemed very minor. And at the end of the day, not something to really get super upset about and something that should be able to blow over. He wasn't also clear on some things. Like, there were some inconsistencies in the statement. So while I do think it's true that

Brand Beckham is very, very important, at the same time, I think Brooklyn could have handled this so, so much better. And he just has to look at Harry. to see how much of a disaster it can be to go public with your grievances. Totally. And I mean, of course, I don't deny the parallels. I really don't. I think, Lauren, where I see a huge difference here is that the beckhams are a total different kettle of fish to the British royal family that actually always looked after Harry, protected Harry, a tell. to protect Megan. That's the key difference here. Prince William and Catherine were not using the dirty tricks of David and Victoria Beckham. We're not using family members for publicity or anything like that. So of course I see the parallels. Like, yes, there are similarities between Nicola Peltz and

Megan Markle when it comes to control over their husbands. But fundamentally, and I know a lot of people don't like this. And I know David Beckham did a good thing, lining up to see the late Queen Elizabeth the second coffin. But yeah, that's the thing. They haven't acted well for many years. You know, they have done dirty deals with the press to cover up parts of their relationship and they have used their family. And it's an awful thing to use your family. I always called them out on it. They have. And also, people forget, it's through the PR machine. People have potentially forgotten about him calling the honours committee a bunch of you know what's the fact that he had an affair with Rebecca Luz when someone doesn't take legal action that means more or less they are guilty their

image is so highly curated and look on one hand I admire that I admire the fact that they've taken ownership of that but for Brooklyn Beckham I imagine this this would have been very very stressful and it's just not the way you want to grow up. Obviously, Prince Harry had a lot more of infrastructure around him at the palace. But I think what's happened is both Brooklyn and Harry have left the worlds they were in and met women who will not fall in line with hierarchy. Now, when it comes to Nicola Pouts, I don't know whether that's good or bad. I've not met her. but she does seem very devarish. I do see similarities between her and Meghan.

Well, of course, multiple wedding planners, for example, not a good sign, is it? A legal battle with the wedding planners. But at the end of the day, I do feel like the, you know, I feel like Brooklyn was doing everything right in certain ways. But if he is now going to go down the Harry and Megan playbook of moaning about privacy while continuing to sell his own life, which they clearly intend to do on social media.

I think a lot of people who maybe had sympathy or empathy after the first statement will start to turn. And it is a huge risk for him. Well, I had sympathy for him and I thought it was very brave initially. But then when I saw these pap shots drop, I just thought, you know, You know, they'll say we want to control the narrative. The best thing you can do if you want to control the narrative, stay at home.

Don't go to Malbu, don't go to Soho House. Don't go where you know there will people, there will be people looking. You know, L.A. is huge. They could have gone anywhere for a hike. They could have had privacy. But they have specifically chosen, I believe, to go somewhere, call a pap,

curate these images which look natural, but come on, we've all got a brain cell. it's so obviously set up. And at this point, I'm like, Brooklyn, you've lost me now because you're a fraud. You're like Harry. You want to be half in and half out. I know.

Totally. Totally. Totally. Now, of course, Harry has bigger fish to fry, you would hope, and you would think. He has returned to court again today under the understanding that he is there to support Elizabeth Hurley. who took the stand and burst into tears.

But Harry really wanted to boast about just how well his evidence had gone yesterday. Watch him arriving at court this morning. But here's the thing. He is using this court case as a PR game, which is not going to go down well with the judge. A spokesperson for Prince Harry releasing a statement after his, evidence session, which I thought was car crash, saying, today's cross-examination was revealing in its weakness, assertive in tone, but collapsing immediately under scrutiny from Prince Harry.

Associated couldn't wait to get him off the stand, questioning for just two hours and avoiding 10 of his 14 articles entirely. Prince Harry said afterwards, today we reminded the mail group, who is on trial and why. Well, the Daily Mail has now hit back at this. I mean, this is extraordinary that this public contest is going on in the middle of the court case, saying it is for the judge to decide what he makes of a witness's evidence, not Prince Harry or his spokesman, and naive and self-serving statements during the trial are inappropriate. But this is all about PR for Prince Harry, because Lauren, yet again,

I think we have someone who remains in the line of succession playing a highly, inappropriate stunt today, where he was driven straight from court, where he had seen Liz Hurley breakdown on the stand, to the House of Lords, which is the upper house of the British Parliament, where Chris Schip, his propagandist at Wokey TV, reported that he had been seen with Baroness Doreen Lawrence and the House of Lords at lunchtime. He went to Parliament after leaving the High Court earlier where he had been supporting co-claimant Liz Hurley in their joint case against Daily Mail publishers. Doreen Lawrence will give evidence soon. Well, I'm sorry, Lauren, that is just inappropriate. If he wanted to meet Doreen Lawrence, he did not have to do it at the House of Lords.

This is all about putting King Charles on notice, making the monarch incredibly uncomfortable about what his son's doing and I think it's a disgrace. I think what he's doing is he is just ramping up the anxiety and the stress for everyone, saying, I can be a real problem. for you. You know I want my security back and I will continue to play these games unless I get my way. And this is what we see from Prince Harry. You know, you could go anywhere to meet someone if you were having a meeting, but you go somewhere where you know you will be seen. And then when we speak about the comment from his spokesperson when the case yesterday wrapped up, I have never seen anything like that done. This is absolutely ludicrous that it's happening. You just don't ever

comment on an ongoing court case. Let's go back to when we were in court with Tommy Robinson. We were so careful about how we reported on this on outspoken because it's an ongoing case. You can't do anything that could impact, sway, regardless of if it's a, you know, criminal case or not. This is just a respect for the legal process. He showed yesterday he has no respect for the judge. He is using this court case simply for PR. And I think one of the things, Brittany, that was most extraordinary, is that he wants to make this case about Megan Markle.

Everything comes back to the grievances of Megan Markle when the case was not about her at all. Now, in case you missed our special edition of the show yesterday, our outspoken tech wizards have actually made some AI. recreations of Prince Harry's evidence. So this was the very last moment, which by the way today people have suggested was probably scripted and planned in some way for him to get emotional at the very end when he was being questioned by his lawyer, David Sherbourne. Watch. I've never believed that my life is open season to be commercialised by these people. To act in the public interest is to interest the public.

I fundamentally reject that. Having my life, like others, commercialised in this way since I was a teenager, delving into every aspect of my private life, listening to calls, blagging flights so they could see where I was going. It was a time when everyone was in competition with each other. To sit here and go through this again, and to hear them claim in their defence that I don't have any right to privacy, is disgusting. They have made my wife's life an absolute misery, my lord.

And at that point, there was this very performative choking up so that we could understand that he wasn't just upset, Brittany, about all of his exes, but also Megan. I was shocked by that, Dan, because I really was hoping that the judge would turn around to him and go, Megamarkle has nothing to do with this case. She has literally nothing to do with this case. all the articles Harry is talking about all happened between 2001 and 2013. And so Harry, though, is also, I think, fundamentally wrong about the idea that the media or the British press have no reason to actually delve into aspects of his personal life. But I'm sorry they do. He was taking

taxpayer-funded security. He was taking taxpayer money to fund his office and various things. And in relation to that, especially because you are so close to the head. a state. There is an obligation of the media to investigate who you're having a relationship with, because as we've seen, that has a detrimental impact on the institution itself, potentially, if you don't choose the right partner. And I think we can all agree, Harry did not choose wisely in that instance. But that very end bit was about Megan was so performative. It was so excessive and unnecessary because she has nothing to do with this case. She's in California. This all happened before her. And she got more protection than anyone else in the British institution,

more assistance, everything. And she threw it all away because it wasn't good enough for her. And I think Harry's struggle and why he's so miserable and angry is that nothing will ever be good enough for her. He'll always be a misery. Yeah, that is one of the big issues, isn't it? It's like Megan is choosing to be miserable. She wants you to be miserable. But Lauren, could you understand why he made a decision to make this all about her? Was that her demand? Because remember, my reporting is that she's very unhappy about this trial. She didn't actually want Harry to go through with it. I know a lot of people say, oh, no, no, no, she's been encouraging this. No, she hasn't. She honestly hasn't because she doesn't want all of these

headlines about Harry and his exes. And she doesn't want him back in touch with all of his exes. And she doesn't want the public being reminded to the fact that his exes behaved in such a more honourable way than she ever did. Do you know, looking at Cresta Bonas and Chelsea Davie, when it all came up, you realise these girls, I really like them. I think they're very natural, they're outdoorsy, they don't court the press, and they've all gone on to live very private lives to some degree. Yes, they're in the public eye a little bit, but by and large they go about their

business and they seem very happy and very settled. And this is where they differ from Megan Markle. They are not looking for external validation. They are not looking to court the press. They don't see their value in how much Netflix will pay for them or how many jars of flower sprinkles they don't sell. It's just irrelevant. And you then think, oh, my word, Megan Markle could not be more different to these girls, you know, or now grown women. you realise Harry really has got it very wrong. Then, of course, there was the predictable dig at the British Royal Family. Doesn't make it acceptable, though.

Watch this. You tell us that you were aware of some, but not all, of the 14 articles that you complain of in these proceedings at the time they were published. Yes. You did not complain and no complaint was made on your behalf. Not that I am aware of. That is because you believed at the time that the articles were published, insofar as you saw them, that the information they contained came from legitimate sources. To a certain extent, but I would not have been able to complain about them anyway because of the institution I was in.

It would have been very difficult. Never complain and never explain. He just cannot help himself, Brittany. the judge was actually, you know, really saying, just answer the questions, don't make the case. But he had his two priorities. Obviously, the first was targeting the Daily Mail, specifically it's editor Paul Daker or then editor Paul Dacre, Royal Editor, Rebecca English, and Society Editor or Former Society Editor Katie Nicol. But secondly, it was about getting the Diggs in about the institution, the fact that he was

controlled, he wasn't allowed to do these things. it is so inappropriate for him to do that in a courtroom. It shows that he is such a little toad when it comes to his relations with his family. And unfortunately, it shows once again why Prince William isn't right. You know, this is not a man who should be welcomed back in any way. It is a man who should be in exile. He should. And when it comes to the never complain, never explain, there's a lot of wisdom in that.

Because royals live lives of immense privilege. And when you're starting to complain about every little thing, it makes you look very, very ungrateful. It makes people question your existence as a royal. And there are times when it is appropriate to pursue certain legal actions against newspapers and these sorts of things. Catherine of Williams sued, I believe it was a French publication over photographs of their family on a ski vacation last year and won that case. It was very, very quiet, though, because Catherine and William are very careful into what they decide to speak. against, which is very, very smart. Make sure you fight the appropriate battles, not every battle. And the thing is with Megan, because I think she was always threatening Harry, if you don't speak

on my behalf, if you don't fight for me in the press, I'm going to leave you. He now has this chip on his shoulder, and he literally wants to fight every battle and correct every narrative. But sometimes it's just okay to let things ride because they'll die. The more you respond to something, actually, the longer the story goes on. And yes, I think in some, ways the never complain, never explain, it should be adjusted a bit because I think the royals need to be a little bit more aggressive in how they deal with Harry publicly. But at the same time, I think there's a lot of wisdom there. There's a lot of reasons why they follow it. It has worked broadly. I mean, I think they need to adjust it again, but it has worked broadly. Harry just can't

accept that. And he always wants to make the digs because that is how he can deal with this whole situation because I think Harry in many ways sometimes hates how his life has turned out and has to blame everybody else. This includes his family, includes his country, and includes, of course, the press as well. By the way, there's a little post script to the whole Beckham thing. I do love the fact, Lauren, there is genuine affection for Victoria Beckham. A lot of it comes from the fact that she was a member of the Spice Girls, of course. And this sort of twist case is that Victoria Beckham's song, not such an innocent girl, has now sold to number one on the UK's iTunes chart. There's a campaign to finally get Victoria Beckham, the solo number one single that she has been so cruelly denied, Lauren.

And I have to say, I'm behind it. I'm behind it. I think this is fun. Don't say that, because now Katie Price will orchestrate a fallout with one of her children to try and get to number one. But I've got to say, that was a brilliant Victoria Beckham album. Oh, it was. I'm sure. Not many people will agree, but.

No, I fully agree. I fully agree. It was full of hits, actually. It was full of hits. So there you go. Come on. Let's get Victoria Beck into number one. She needs it after the hell of this week.

Lauren, the insider. You've got to follow her channel, of course, on YouTube. And Brittany of Royal News Network, R&N. Make sure you subscribe to that too. Thank you both so much for your brilliant coverage. Of these two huge pop culture stories, which have come head on this week, lots of feedback from you throughout the show, specifically on this apology or sort of non-apology

apology that Nigel Farage has now made to Tommy Robinson. Strawberry atheist says Tommy is a threat to Nigel, whether Nigel likes it or not. Tommy is probably the one person equally as popular or more than Tommy, and I say that not supporting either. Lady J.N. says Rishi Sunak did warn us that things would get worse under Stama and he was right. I guess that is true. Puds 512 says people a week. We can do exactly what we want as a country if the stupid made up rules by others. We are no longer a great country, but we can be if we found our balls. Juliet Johnson says, and this is the warning to Andrew Rosendale, who we had on

earlier in the show, don't outshine Farage while you're in reform, dumb down while you're there. Simon Brandy says, I like Robert Generic. We can have some misgivings about reform lately whilst acknowledging he is a huge get for reformed the dismissal of Rupert still frustrates me still on his own goal yep Simon I think that's totally fair enough actually I hear that point and I agree with you but Anne Wilson says it was low and Habib that built re-firm don't forget that unfortunately Farage has destroyed it okay a reminder of your union jackass nominees Emily Maitlis or her terrible on the ground reporting to Minneapolis this was the nomination from Anna Island. Farage himself nominated by Darren Donaldson for his fake non-apology

half-climed down when asked about Tommy Robinson at Davos and Desmond Swain nominated by Kaz Quinn for that awkward retweeting of a shirtless man on his ex account which he says as a result of being hacked. Poor Desmond with his hack gets just 8% of your vote. The runner up with 39% Nigel Farage. But today's Union Jackass, the worst Britain in the world today with 53% of your vote. It's Emily Maitless. And a nice, greatest Britain today, nominated by Scott Fly 23. It's Charlie Simpson. Now, you remember Charlie from earlier in the week. He actually revealed the story of Andrew Rosendale's defection, and it was completely ignored by the mainstream media, even though what he said was totally true. And Scott Fly says, this boy has an amazing journalistic career ahead of him.

He's already running laps around the MSM shills. Very, very good point. Okay, we've got a special live royal after show today. Usually we're over on Substack, but today we would love you to join us because of course there is a special edition with Liz Hurley giving evidence in court against the Daily Mail. Joining us live, Lady Colin Campbell from the UK and the Sidley Twins of Twin Talks from the US.

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