Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE SENDS “BIT ON THE SIDE” TO LAUNCH ELECTION ATTACK ON RUPERT LOWE WITH STEVE LAWS LIE

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

A shocking dirty tricks campaign is launched by Nigel Farage’s Reform UK women Alex Phillips and Lois Perry targeting Restore Britain and Rupert Lowe with lies about the remigration campaigner Steve Laws as the party panics about its total collapse in the Makerfield by-election after a series of controversies and a raging civil war between Zia Yusuf and Robert Jenrick. Meanwhile, the BBC tries to paint Restore as a party of the online right supported by angry white men, but the reality on the ground in Manchester shows quite the opposite. And Reform UK’s meltdown is continuing in public as party stars like Muslim London Mayoral candidate Laila Cunningham try and fail to appease London lefties. After the Digest today we’ll bring in Restore Britain spokesman Charlie Downes and author Bernie Spofforth, whose brilliant new book A War To Win Back Your World is available for pre-order now on Amazon. PLUS: Islamist Mayor Sadiq Khan’s London destruction plot is uncovered, as he blames social media rather than dealing with the Disunited Kingdom’s crumbling capital. AND: Narinder Kaur is exposed for shocking racism lies about Tommy Robinson’s Unite the Kingdom. THEN IN THE ROYAL UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Royal fury over cancer lies about Catherine, the Princess of Wales, which are being cynically exploited by the MSM despite Palace denials. We’ll reveal what’s really going on with independent royal YouTube sensation According2Taz. To watch in full, please subscribe at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 501. Thank you to everyone who's celebrated with us yesterday. Breaking today, a shocking dirty tricks campaign is launched by Nigel Farage's Reform UK Women, Alex Phillips and Lois Perry, targeting Restore Britain and Rupert Lowe with lies about the remigration campaign as Steve Laws as the party, Reform, panics about its total collapse in the Makerfield by-election. after a series of controversies and a raging civil war between Zia Yusuf and Robert Jenrick. I want England to belong to the English, okay? You're living in the past, man. No, I'm not living in the past. I actually believe that Rupert Lowe and Restore want the uniparty system to continue, and they're actually really Tories. Possibly the future First Lady of the United Kingdom.

It's Lord Ferrari. Nigel Farage's other half. Good morning, Lord. Morning, Alex. But Restore supporters are fighting back against Lois and Alex, who has seen there introducing Nigel Farage's girlfriend to the spotlight. They are trying to suggest that Steve Laws is a senior figure driving the insurgent party. Well, Restore Britain supporters are dropping some truth bombs.

Nigel Farage's bit on the side, Lois Perry, all right? Oh, yeah, I've heard about that. Has decided to post some bits and pieces, of, obviously. Of course, at the behest of reform, no doubt, I would imagine. My moles at reform have informed me, allegedly, Lois Perry, is getting deed down by Nigel Farage. Meanwhile, the MSM are trying to paint, restore, as a party of the online rights, supported by angry white men exclusively, while the reality on the ground and maker field shows quite the opposite. it? This is angry young men getting their news from social media, is it?

That's one way of putting it. Just had a lovely conversation with a lad there. He drinks in the same pubs as I do. It's lovely to speak to the local people because this is my area. A really positive response so far. But Reform UK's meltdown is continuing in public as party stars like Muslim London Merrill candidate Leila Cunningham try and fail to win over hard lifters. I'm not going to be told by some person that everything is. they say it's wrong and it's because of the same

class. That's not what's going to stop that. You're out of order. So after the digest today, we will bring in Restore Britain spokesman Charlie Downs and author Bernie Spofford, whose brilliant new book

A War to Win Back Your World is available to pre-order now on Amazon. Also coming up on the show today is Lamas Mare Sadiq Khan's London destruction plot is uncovered as he blames social media rather than dealing with the disunited Kingdom's crumbling capital. And Orinda Corps is exposed for shocking racism lies about Tommy Robinson's

unite the kingdom. We'll expose them. Then in the Royal Uncanceled After Show over on Substack, Royal Fury overcancer lies about Catherine, the Princess of Wales, which has been cynically exploited by the MSM despite palace denials. So we'll reveal what's really going on with independent royal YouTube sensation according to Tads at W. www.outspoken. live. Charlie and Bernie and myself have also nominated for your union jackass today, but you make the final decision. So here are your choices you can vote right now in the live chat. Charlie has gone for Lois Perry for leading the charge in conspiring with the establishment to smear restore Britain for having the nerve to put the British people first. Bernie has gone for Tony Blair,

who she says spent decades building the politics. of managerial globalism, and now he's worried about Stama being a managerial globalist. And I've gone for Peter Marl. Scheming Sturgeons form a bit on the side for the most revolting fraud committed against the Scottish people. So get voting, keep your superchats coming in, keep your comments coming in, the results revealed at the end of the show. But now, let's go. It's official. Restore Britain now on the Makerfield ballot, with

leader Rupert Lowe, encouraging Manchester Patriots to send the biggest political shock in British history. And this is the reason Rupert says the establishment is now so rattled. With the left-wing Labor supporting new statesmen reporting that Labor sources say that on the doorsteps, they are hearing as many voters mention restore as reform. Curiously, they are also not reporting meeting many Labour, Or Burnham supporters. So as Basil the Great surmised, once the public realised Restore Britain can win, reform will implode. They know this. It's why they're all going crazy right now.

They are well aware. A lot of their supporters would prefer Rupert Lowe's leader, only a matter of time. And things are looking very positive on the ground for a store's candidate Rebecca Shepard, with the working classes now mobilising for Lowe's party. Watch this. How's it going this morning then? Really good, really good. I just had a lovely conversation with a lad there.

He drinks in the same pubs as I do. It's lovely to speak to the local people because this is my area. A really positive response so far. Oh, wonderful. And this is actually one of the more affluent areas. So it seems that you actually have a little bit more trouble in the affluent areas

because they're the ones that seem to be going for labour. It seems to be the poshos of for labour. Yeah. And the working class areas are where restores really picking up. Yeah, yeah, definitely. We've noticed that. It seems to be staunch labour port, yeah, in the sort of more affluent areas. We're trying to find our people and I feel like this is our place.

So the pro-reform panic has begun with GB News star Adam Brooks, claiming the polling has been very strong for Reform UK over the last few days nationally. This really does fly in the face of MSM stories and certain narratives on here, ranging between seven and nine points clear of the pack at the moment. But as the males, Dan Hodges pointed out, key will be what the reform share looks like when the pollsters start prompting for restore. So over at the British Passion Corporation, Nick Robinson, he's an enemy of the people, has decided to dismiss Restore Britain as being exclusively for angry young men.

This conversation today with the research manager from focal data, Jack Peacott, listen. So demographically, restore voters, few male and economically precarious, and non-degree educated. When it comes to class and gender, they look a lot like reform voters, but the key difference is the resource views much younger, and this is reflected in voters' information environment. So restore voters are most likely to get their news from social media and far less likely to read print or watch broadcast news.

Essentially, this is the online right, and this is not an insignificant ecosystem. I think as Scarlett Maguire pointed out this week, Rupert lowers twice as many Facebook followers and the Prime Minister. This is angry young men getting their news from social media, is it? That's one way of putting it. These are sort of radical voters who feel politically disaffected. And really it is ultimately a single issue,

identitarian vote, which is focus on immigration, and much more concentrated on that one issue than reforms is. Now, Restore Britain's Charlie Downs, who will be here shortly, responded to that broadcast, saying Nick Robinson this morning dismisses Restore Britain as angry young men and single-issue identitarian voters. Damn right! And there's millions of us.

But Rupert Lowe says the categorisation is lazy. Adding peace on the BBC this morning claiming Restore Britain is attracting young men in large numbers who are fed up and want real radical change. Wrong. It's millions of young women, too. And certainly on the Grandland and Makerfield, it looks anything but the BBC's little fantasy. Indeed, even older females.

who hadn't heard of Rupert Lowe or Restore Britain before the campaign, have now decided to trust the party with their vote. Watch. So what's going on here? She's voter. Yeah, Watson. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she is.

So, because we're going to be big on women's safety, and I think that's forefront of everyone's mind at the moment, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's going to be a bit bad, isn't it? It really is. So that's, you know, I was just saying that we're going to do the summits for the, with the police and with, the councils and get everyone together and see if we can form a plan to go forward.

So, yeah, that's what this combo is. So, yeah, I'm preaching to the converted here. Did you know about we put low before and restored Britain beforehand or not? No, no. Have you only just recently heard about it? Everyone's saying that we're a new movement, but we're not really. There's 140,000 members now, so it's going forward. So that's me.

So you can say you've met me, so, yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you. See later. It's been absolutely positive and brilliant, especially for women, because I know women, they do feel like we can't go out at night. Well, I do personally. So we need to do something about that to make them the streets a bit safer. And that old lady before, you also had a good response off of her? Oh, yeah. She was absolutely lovely.

I think she was... You see, this split vote thing comes in again there, doesn't it? Because she was saying, I wouldn't vote for anyone. I don't believe in anyone. And then by the time she'd left, she was considering voting for us, because, obviously, again, women's safety. And, yeah, so it was really positive. I'm passionate about local businesses and small businesses.

And if we were voted in, we definitely looked to slash the business rates and just make it easier for them to trade. You know, all the legislation and the red tape and bureaucracy, I would like to see go. So, yeah, passionate about small businesses. And have you come up against that with your own business? Yeah, absolutely, I have. The red tape to do with...

with riding skills at the moment is off the scale. We're treated like we don't know how to look after our own horses, which we've had for 20 years. Yeah, and they just look for ways really to sort of clip your wings. And Hodges in the mail now reporting that three sources independently told him that they believe on the trends they are seen in Makerfield, there is a possibility where a store could actually beat reform in the seat. So this is why Farage's party is melting down. And this is why the attacks are becoming

more unhinged and less based on truth. So we're going to get into them today. We're going to dig deep rather than just let this nonsense go out unchallenged. So let's start with Lois Perry. She is a staunch supporter and close friend of Nigel Farage. She is a regular hair on outspoken, but she is amongst the many reformers throwing grenades at Restore. In this new attack, Lois posted on X. Here's a top Restore Britain activist, referring to Steve Laws, telling Andrew Gold to go home because he's Jewish. My Moulson Restore tell me Kemi Badenog is in daily contact with Rupert Lowe,

and he's been promised a very senior role in a potential Tory government as a reward for thwarting reform. Reform. Now that prompted the land to respond, I'm actually beyond disgusted with the way reform lies. I was really unsure about running and Makerfield, but every time I see these lies peddled, my resolve hardens, and I want nothing more than to crush reform at every turn. So I just want to show you the video of Steve Laws that Lois is referring to. It was actually conducted months ago with Andrew Gold.

The future of my people is non-negotiable. I want England to belong to the English, okay? You're living in the past, man. No, I'm not living in the past. That's gone. England's not gone. England will thrive. We will get our country back. But how? People like you leaving.

So someone's going to come knock on my door? No, you'll get a letter. I'm an Englishman. I'm looking at you, as it's you. And I'm telling you, you are foreign. You wouldn't have known if I didn't tell you. No, your name's gold. Yeah, well, if we change the name. From Goldstein.

Yeah, we could change it to another name. Yeah, so that's what? You're subverting yourself even more to try and hide amongst the population. It's just proving my point, you people are foreign. This is not your country. Whose land was it? It wasn't the Norman's land before they came out. This is the English land. Well, what does England mean? England comprises Jewish as well. England means England is the land of the Angles. England belongs to English. If your grandparents are English and their grandparents are English, you're English. Oh, good. Well, then fine, I'm English. You're not English. You're not English. My grandparents were English. You're not English. But they're all born in England. Doesn't matter. Being born in England. If I was born in a barn would, I'd be a fucking horse. You know what I mean? It's ridiculous.

But one of them is fully Jewish. I'm as Jewish as it gets. Ashkenazi, all of those things. You know, so they're not Ashkenazi Jews. They're not the same ethnicity as me. Look, I'm Jewish. All my family is Jewish. Everyone knows is Jewish.

Now, that is an old video, but Lois Perry used it to add the person that told me that Rupert Lowe had confirmed him yesterday that infamous Jew hater Steve Lors was currently serving in an administration role in Restore Britain, was Tory member and friend of Lowe's Lance Foreman. I was not lying. He had agreed to tweet the screenshot of their interaction, as you can see below. He has however chickened out, presumably under pressure not to help reform from Kemi Badernock and Conservatives disappointing. Now on screen, you're looking at the messages Lois is talking about. But what Lois is not revealing is that Lance Foreman has actually spoken to Rupert Lowe about the situation revealing. I have just come off the phone to

Rupert Lowe. When I messaged him, he thought I was referring to Scott Benton, not Steve Lores, as Scott had been in the news, so he confirmed that he had an administrative function. He has now confirmed to me by phone that it was an error. And in fact, Steve Lores has no administrative function whatsoever good. He also said that he found Steve Lores' comments about Jews on Andrew Goldscho, grossly offensive, I agree naturally. We share a common view on the Islamist threat facing the UK and Europe. So it was just a total lie based on a misunderstanding that has now been used across the internet to try and intrinsically link Steve Laws to Restore Britain.

But I give credit to what Restore are doing. Because unlike Reform UK, and you know this was a huge issue for me, Restore Britain will not disavow its own members. And after reform actually doubled down on their lies, Steve Laws himself clarified, Rupert didn't disavow me. He merely said he doesn't agree with my position on the Jews, something we already knew. I've said multiple times that he doesn't share the total remigration position, but he'll help with the first few stages. All of you so-called anti-Zionists, jumping with joy when some raging Zionist says something you want to hear is actually pathetic.

This was all done so they could create this very scenario, and a lot of you, you fell for it immediately. But this line means there is increasing focus on the women who are trying to bring down Restore on behalf of Farage. Now Lois appeared here just weeks ago, demonstrating her loyalty to Nigel and again attacking Restore Britain. Look at the people who David is talking about,

Ben Habib, Rupert Lowe. They were part of Reform UK at the last election. I voted for Reform UK at the last election. Since then, Nigel has made it clear that a whole load of us are to use Hillary Clinton's terms in that basket of deplorables. And he wants nothing to do with us. Now, that, I think, is a problem. That's not true at all. Both Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe have personal reasons for not.

They're just the anti-Nigil people. They would rather have Labour in power. Well, maybe not Ben Habib, but certainly Rupert Lowe, would much rather have. labour empowered than see Nigel Farage in Downing Street. And it's just as disruptive as the group of things. I actually believe that Rupert Lowe and Restore want the uniparty system to continue. And they're actually really Tories. And they just want to do whatever they possibly can to keep Nigel out of Downing Street.

I think it's personal. I don't think, if they really truly believed about the saving the United Kingdom, they would thrown their support and loyalty behind Nigel and not started these splinter groups and splinter parties. But as temperatures rise even further between the two parties, the hosts of the state of politics podcast Nate H. and Bodeid have furiously hit back at Lois's new attack, claiming that her close relationship to Farage extends to being the Reform UK leaders quote, bit on the side. Watch. Nigel Farage's bit on the side, Lois Perry, all right?

Yeah, I've heard about that. Has decided to post some bits and pieces. Of course, at the behest of reform, no doubt, I would imagine. Here's a top Restore Britain activist. It's Steve Laws. He's not a Restore Britain activist. He's just a member. That's like saying Tommy Robinson was a reform activist when he said,

you should vote reform or something like that one day. It's like what? Sorry, just right there. What a fucking lying, dirty piece of disingenuous shit. Oh, yeah. Restore Britain activist. Yeah. Sorry, top, Restore Britain activist.

Yeah. He's not. He's just not. No, no, he's objectively. It's obviously not. It's well known that he's not. And they insisted that everyone knows. Watch.

Isn't she and Nigel actually lovers? Well, I said bit on the side, yeah. So, allegedly. Allegedly, sorry, allegedly. Rumor has it. Sources have suggested that. Yeah. Yeah.

Top, my moles at reform have informed me, allegedly, Lois Perry is getting deed down by Nigel Farage. Vested interest there, love. Anyway. And by the moles, we mean absolutely everyone in the world knows and jokes about it behind your back. It's disgusting, isn't it? And something odd is going on here because it was just two weeks ago

that Farage's current partner, Law Ferrari, sat down with Talk TV's Alex Phillips as she introduced her as the possible future First Lady of the United Kingdom. Somebody who I don't think has been on this channel before, someone who is, well, I've known her a long time, but otherwise it's a bit of a dark horse, an elusive character, possibly,

the future First Lady of the United Kingdom. It's Lorre Ferrari, Nigel Farage's other half. Good morning, Lorne. Good morning, Alex. How are you today? I'm very well. How do you feel being here in the studio and being unveiled? It's least upon the world.

It's not something I do, honestly. But it's a bit of fun. I like a challenge. I know. He asked me to come. I say, yeah. Yeah. Let's do this.

Exactly. And I think you're going to be brilliant. And also it gives you the public the opportunity to find out, you know, who you are. Well, I hope I don't disappoint. No, you won't. Pressure. You absolutely will not. Now, we'll come back to Alex shortly, but remember yesterday I told you that she has threatened to drop a bombshell that she claims will destroy Restore. The Brexit Party founder Catherine Blakelock, who is now a staunch Restore Britain supporter, claimed Farage's women, all of whom have been promised good seats and can see their chances of becoming MPs rapidly disintegrating.

The hysterical mistress Alex Phillips, who now looks deranged, lying lowest with the Botox, trips to money-laughtering country, Belize, Belize, and the flat in Valsize Park, and the Stetford Viper spewing pure poison, Isabel Oakshot. And the thing is, the chaos within Reform UK over a store's surge is now just undeniable. With Hodges, revealing after Yusuf and Generic fought publicly, reform now an open civil war, as I said yesterday, Vare a party that's now experiencing a complete nervous breakdown. But still the party doesn't understand that we will just not accept its constant shift to the left,

as the increasingly deranged reformed Muslim mayoral candidate Layla Cunningham, another big problem for the party, decided to appear last night at a London event opposite the Brexit Virgin Femiola Wally, where she was raised. roundly humiliated. I don't want that. Sorry, Sister, go ahead. Have you, please. It is 34 degrees outside.

It matters to be much hotter. Can we just commit you? So let's try and, wait enough. You're not for a fighter, aren't you? No, yes. I'm not going to be told that those girls, I've spoken to so many of them, the trauma they fit through, I've read the court accounts.

I'm not going to be told by some person, that everything they say is wrong and it's because of the same classes. What is she doing? Cunningham doesn't have the balls to appear on outspoken, but she will go and try and appease these absolute crazy leftists. Also overnight, Sacked Reform Chairman David Bull finally reappeared on X. that was after Rupert Lowe had drawn attention to his lengthy disappearance.

And all of this, all of this is before we come to reform UK's candidate in the seat. Robert Kenyon, whose past is absolutely being dug up in this mission by the MSM. The problem is, is that he's been squeezed on both the left and the right now, with his old posts in regards to his anti-Brexit stance. infuriating likely voters for both reform and restore. And breaking right now, the Daily Telegraph has just published new former posts by Robert Kenyon that show he was quite clearly against Brexit, writing, Now we will have to pick up the pieces, as always,

they peddled the nationalistic pish and got the working class vote bit silly if you ask me. Now, Reform is still trying to say that he voted for Brexit, which is clearly a lie. Earlier today, the Daily Telegraph revealed that Kenyan believed Russia had a right to invade Ukraine, writing Russia are well within their rights to do what they have done, as we did with the Falklands. Now, while I actually believe that is an intellectual debate that we should have had in this country, staunch Reform UK supporters like Calvin McKenzie immediately withdrew their support for Kenyan. He posted, a post found by the telegraph from Robert Kenyon, Reforms-Makerfield candidate saying Russia was within its rights to invade Ukraine, is enough for me to hope he doesn't win.

If he doesn't understand Putin is our enemy, he has no right to be an MP. So here's the problem for Reform UK. He has been absolutely smashed by both the mainstream left and the mainstream right. So you see the Guardian now, horrified that Kenyon appeared to doubt the seriousness of COVID-19. and advise people to stop having the boosters. Well, I would argue that's actually going to be a very popular position. However, a wet Reform UK spokesperson immediately clarified to the Guardian, Robert had all of his COVID jabs during the pandemic

and his children are fully up to date on every vaccination. These comments were made long before Rob was in politics. He is an abolished professional politician and doesn't speak like one. That's precisely while he'll be a straight talking effective voice for normal working people in Maker Field. The campaign is a mess. And now the Daily Mirror going for him to over homophobia. Because he wrote in 2009,

you can't call her the Queen anymore because it offends the poofs. The next year, he stated, people who want to make a stand for homosexuals need not combat the throwaway comments of a sportsman on Twitter, but need to do something about the way homosexuals are perceived in the mainstream media. For instance, having Julian Clary, Graham Norton, Four Puffs and a piano and Paul O'Grady, mincing about on TV, does a lot more damage to the reputation of homosexuals and causes greater insult, in my opinion.

Then in 2020, he appeared to respond to Wigan Warriors announcing one of their matches would include a Pride Day celebration. It said, this isn't a workplace whereby everybody is a free-thinking adult. This is a rugby club, where many of the fans are children with impressionable minds and they shouldn't have the issue thrown in their faces. it's up to the parents to teach it to them if and when they see fit. Post the same year added, If LGBT just want acceptance, then stop making a big song and dance about it.

Attention seeking and taking over other events because that's turning people against you. And you know what? I totally agree. I couldn't agree more. Who cares? I'm not even slightly concerned about that. But again, the problem is that Kenyon now has few friends left, given he has also made these attacks on Rupert low and resorts.

store. The fake news agents, Emily Maitliss, argued that the working class argument is no longer an excuse for his previous comments. Watch. He's pointing out the fact that Rupert Lowe, like Nigel Farage, is incredibly wealthy. He's a businessman. He's got a lot of cash when you, you know, you listen to him. He's a sort of posh sounding man. And suddenly you've got this like, you know, we're all fighting for working man's status here. And I think, as you said, it's really, ugly actually to use the idea of working man as being a sort of excuse for whatever you're saying, whatever language you're saying, whatever you think, whatever views you have. Because there are plenty of working class people who do not use language like Rob Kenyon, and there are plenty of

people who would absolutely abhor the views that he's coming out with now. But it's just so interesting to see the fight back is now, I'm more working class than you, Rupert Lowe, and you never cared about this part of the world, which is a working man's part of the world, and you're posh because what, you're from Great Yarmouth. And of course, the fake news agents are completely ignoring the right, seeming to tear themselves apart. It's been so telling over the course of the weekend how many accounts, how many reform accounts online, both corporate ones and also, you know, senior party people, including Farage, have been tweeting about Restore, panicking, Clearly, basically going, you vote restore, you get Labour, you vote restore, you get Burnham, you get Stammer.

I mean, there may be Tories from David Cameron down, sort of having a sort of quiet smile to themselves over the course of the weekend to basically watch Farage, get Farage. You know, Farage has been for the last 25, 20, 25 years, you know, biting at the heels of the Conservative Party, constantly forcing them to the right on all sorts of different things as the insurgent, as the populace. as Farage, this is one of the costs of success for Farage. As he has become almost the mainstream force increasingly on the British right, he's now got basically happening on sort of double speed and double time, potentially an insurgent force to his own right, which is potentially going to affect him much as a way and it affected the toys over the years. Yeah, I think that's right.

And I think both party is now fighting for kind of what you loosely call the victimhood status. Right. So Restore UK likes to put itself as, as I said, the sort of the little brother, the little sister, yapping at the heels because they're the ones getting left behind. They're the ones that are the sort of insurgent to Nigel Farage's, you know, big, bossy, basically suggested that he was a bit of a tyrant in his own party. But look at what is happening. Everyone is talking about Restore Britain.

everyone is starting to realize that Restore Britain can win and not just in this constituency. So what's happening next? Well, the cucked and controlled opposition are making it their absolute mission to try and stop Rupert Lowe, like the Daily Mail. Look at this hit piece today. Does Rupert Lowe really want to go down in history

is the man who made Burnham PM with Elon Musk's help? And at the same time, they're also trying to suggest, And isn't this the sort of most boring game in the book? That the party is anti-Semitic. This came after Charlie Downs posted a picture of Nigel Farage stood at Reform's Jewish Alliance launch. The aforementioned Alex Phillips posted on X, Restore Britain peddling the same anti-Semitic conspiracy theories

as the far left. This isn't a random person either. This is Rupert Lowe's chief handler. Want to explain Rupert Lowe? Do you buy into anti-Jewish propaganda while British Jews fear for their lives. Charlie, he replied directly to Alex. MP should serve the constituents and Britain's national interests, not foreign lobbies and minority advocacy groups. I thought you were against identity politics. Restore Britain's hit piece, though, in the Daily Mail, went ahead regardless.

Because they don't care about the facts. So despite everything that I told you earlier, today, they have still tried to link Restore to Steve Laws. The journalist Christian Calgary, who should do better, wrote yesterday the party failed to condemn his deportation comments arguing, we're not going to police our membership. A spokesman added what Steve Laws says is up to Steve Laws. It has absolutely nothing to do with us, but they refuse to answer key questions about whether Mr. Laws is a member of Restore and about his claims that he is in daily contact with Mr. Lowe's advisors. Nor did the party condemned posts from one official that appeared to imply Nigel Farage had been bought by Jewish money. Asked about other media reports of far-right activists signing up as restored Britain

members and helping campaign for the party. The spokesman said, we have been very clear, we are not going to police our membership. The membership endorses our position, not the reverse, obviously. But the party was condemned by the campaign against anti-Semitism over its failure to distance itself from those perpetrating offensive and anti-Semitic views. A spokesman for the group told the Daily Mail, this rhetoric and these associations are gravely concerning at a time when some fringe parties are failing to show where they stand on anti-Semitism and extremism. Restortion set itself apart and speak out. If it fails to do so, that will send a clear message of its own. Dues are not foreign, does Restore accept that, saying that this is a matter for members won't

cut it. Some of this is from people who appear to have formal roles in the party. This is the difference between being a loose-knit provocative protest group and a serious political party, which does Restore want to be? Well, joining me on the superstar panel now is Restore Britain spokesman Charlie Downs, alongside the author Bernie Spotforth. So Charlie, well, I mean, it's absolutely inevitable that this meltdown is going to continue and that these blatant lies are going to be spread. So it's so good to have you back because I think we just need to tackle,

of them. So can we start with these claims that Lois Perry has made, Charlie, because they're pretty serious, aren't they? And they seem to be egregiously untrue. And let's remember this is someone who is a close personal ally to Nigel Farage, speaks to Nigel Farage constantly and consistently and is sort of used as an attack dog for Reform UK. So firstly, is she wrong to suggest that Steve has any type of formal role in Restore Britain? She is wrong. Yes. Steve Laws is a private member of the public who, as far as I'm aware, has not committed any crimes. He may or may not be a member of Restore Britain. I don't know. I've not checked our membership list. But his opinions are his and ours are ours.

And we will not be made to answer for the opinions of random members of the public, as we've made clear from day one. She then said that Rupert Lowe is having daily confidence. conversations with Kemi Badernott, the Conservative Party leader, and that there is some type of deal in place. Yeah, I mean, this is just nonsense. Again, it's, I find it very ironic that Lois Perry of all people is trying to accuse Restore Britain of being some kind of establishment plot when Reform UK themselves have tacked to the centre on almost every issue at this point. And Lois Perry is, of course, herself, the strategic director of reform friends of Israel. Now, in my view, it doesn't come any more establishment than being in hock to foreign lobbies such as the Israel lobby. I mean, this is corruption. This is corporate and foreign money interfering in our politics. And so if she wants to suggest that restore other ones trying to contain and destroy radical energy that's prepared to put the British people first,

I would say she needs to look in the mirror and question whether she is herself putting British interests first by taking on a role like that. And then we get to the fact, Charlie, that there's this sort of desperate attempt to try and link anti-Semitism to parties like Restore that are effectively advocating for a Britain-first approach. But we saw it in that Alex Phillips post. She immediately accused you personally of anti-Semitism. So can you just explain the position for people, Charlie? and why Restore Britain is different to, for example, Reform UK on this, which does formally, for example, have an Israeli lobby as part of its party.

And it's very proud of that, it's fair to say. And what does that say, Dan? I mean, this party reformed UK that is supposed to be the party for the British people has built into it a foreign lobby. Now, foreign lobbying is not something that's spoken about a great deal in British politics, but our politics is awash with foreign money, whether it's from Israel, whether it's from Russia, whether it's from China or anywhere else, or America, for that matter. This in my view, and in the view of Restore Britain, this is a huge problem.

And the fact that that is worn with pride, I think, says a lot about that party. Now, as to these allegations of anti-Semitism, in our view, this is just another one of these words that the establishment deploys against the people that it doesn't like, like racist, like homophobic, like sexist, Islamophobic. It's probably the most severe of all of those labels, but nevertheless, it is just a dishonest smear that is used to try to shut down honest conversations about the state of our country. Then we come to make a field itself, Charlie. What is your reaction to the Reform UK candidate, Robert Kenyon? Because to begin with, I was very much in the Carl Benjamin camp on this, which is that some of these attacks on Kenyan for simply having conversations that he thought at the time were in a sort of safe space,

yes, publicly, but effectively banter amongst friends, shouldn't really harm his potential hiring as an MP. 16 years later, like I don't give a damn that he used the word poof. I don't give a damn that he replied to a joke about Carol. all forderman's bum hole. I know a lot of people disagree with me on that. But I do, Charlie, have a huge concern about the fact that the party that is meant to believe in Brexit more than any other appears to have put up a remainder in this seat and are now lying about it. Well, there's a number of things to unpack here, I think. Now, I think that, you know, offense archaeology, as it's called, where people go crawling through the social media history,

of people who stick their head above the parapet and, you know, put their name and reputation on the line because they are, you know, committed to a cause that they care about. I don't think that that's great. I mean, it's not something that I make a habit of doing. And it's, but nevertheless, it's not surprising that this has happened to Rob Kenyon because he's standing for Reform UK. And ultimately, it should have been Reform UK that discovered these old tweets before it was the mainstream media, because this stuff was always going to come out. it was always going to make them look bad. And the way that they've handled it has been even worse because I haven't seen any defence of their candidate from any of the senior figures in reform.

I can tell you for a fact that I can't imagine the likes of Robert Jenrick going on national television and defending Rob Kenyon. And I think that says so much again about the leadership of reform. Because as you know, Dan, I've made controversial comments in the past, like the ones that we've been discussing today. And my party has never disavowed me. And that's because we believe in the cause.

We believe that we're all pushing in the same direction, and dishonest smears by the mainstream media are not something that we're prepared to entertain. And I've got to say, you talk about the hit jobs that have been coming on Restore Britain, there are many more coming in the pipeline, we are told. So, you know, stay tuned for more. And ultimately, look, I mean, Rob Kenyon's comments,

what do I think of them? I don't really care, to be honest. But if you're going to put yourself in the public eye, you've got to be ready for this stuff to come. And if your party's not prepared to back you, what does that say about them? What do you make of reform accusing you of just being too amateur for this? Matt Goodwin posted it is crystal clear restore have no idea what they are doing.

They are amateurs who are only helping the left. Only reform has a serious plan for saving this country, including reversing the Boris Wave. I urge you to all get behind it, vote reform. Well, I don't think anything says amateurism like two of your most senior figures, arguing in public about what your immigration policy is, as Zia Youssef and Robert Jenrick have been doing over the last few days. I mean, if reform is a beacon of professionalism, then, I mean, I don't know what professionalism even means. Now, Restore Britain is a party that's four months old. We're still in our very early stages. We're finding our feet. We're going to make mistakes, and we've obviously been very open about that with our members.

But I think the British people like a bit of honesty. They like it when the people that are vying to be their political leaders have, the spine to actually come out and say, yeah, do you know what, we made a mistake here? And there's not been many occasions where we had to do that, has to be said. But it's, I find it very, again, ironic that somebody like Matt Goodwin would be the one to come out and say this.

Matt Goodwin, who is famed for having written a book using AI and then trying to pass it off as his own work. And once again, I mean, reforms, accusing a political rival of hypocrisy is a little bit trite because, you know, everyone's a hypocrite in this life. It's part of the human condition.

But it is very ironic to me that a party that has its slogan as family community country would put forward someone like Robert Kenyon as their candidate and would have someone like Matt Goodwin, somebody who has quite the reputation around Westminster, let's just say, forward as their spokespeople. And just before I bring Bernie and Charlie, can I check what you are hearing on the ground in Mayfield? Because we've got huge discrepancies in terms of the candid. numbers, although there does seem to be wide agreement that this poll at the weekend wildly underestimated the Restore Britain vote at just 7%. Yes, so there's a lot of polling. I mean, constituency level polling is famously difficult to get rights. But I was looking at some canvassing data

that we had back in today. And I've got to tell you, that 7% figure is very very, very, very far off the mark. I mean, we're looking on our end at something like, you know, upwards of 18%. Let's just put it that way. 18% was the figure that we most recently put out. So I will stick with that. But it's only going on one direction. Do you believe you can win, Charlie, like, is this a fight now to win the seat? Or is it a fight to beat reform and come second in the seat? Like, level with me here. Well, Dan, in 2024, only 50% of Makerfield's electorate voted in the general election. So this is a prime example of an area of the country that feels utterly disaffected with the political establishment in this country.

There is, you know, 50% of the residents of Makerfield are crying out for political representation. And they didn't feel that they were getting it in 2024 from the Conservatives or Labor or Reform or the Lib Dems or the Greens or whoever else. But now they have a party in Restore Britain that is going to put their interests first, that is going to speak for them in the halls of power. And in Great Yarmouth, in the local elections, we were able to increase the voter turnout against the last elections by over 60%. So if we can achieve that same level of voter turnout in Makerfield, we will win. Bernie, I know you're very concerned about this growing war on the right. but so much of this negativity in Makerfield at least is coming from Reform UK.

To be honest with you, Dan, first of all, can I apologise about my comms? And I'm sorry I'm on my mobile. To be honest, I've just listened to Charlie Talk. He's an eloquent man. But it's complete bullshit. I'm really not interested. and I don't think the people of Makerfield are interested either. The country is on its knees.

Makerfield is 97% white. It doesn't have a migration or an illegal migration problem. 10.1% of people are claiming disability benefits. Both of these parties say they're going to cut disability. They're going to cut benefits and so they should. This is a low education area. Either party has talked about how AI is going to decimate the income in this town. They haven't talked about what they will do to try and help these people earn their own living.

What's going to happen when they cut benefits of these people? What's going to happen on their high streets? How can they possibly help them? It's a disgrace. The entire argument from Dippy Lewis Perry to ridiculous argument, to ridiculous arguing about a bloke who, quite frankly, is not qualified to be in Parliament, is pathetic. And the fact that these types of people are even up there

when you look at them across people. But Bernie, what is the solution, though? Because Reform UK's solution, let's just be frank about it, is for Restore Britain just to go away, to just disappear, to not run, to not participate in the democratic process. That is what the critics are quite clearly requesting Restore to do. And trust me, I mean, I am coming under severe pressure.

I cannot tell you the type of pressure I am coming under to back Reform UK in this by-election. Now, this show has been an open platform for months. Reform UK could be here as much as they want, just like Restore Britain can be here as much as they want. And why am I all of a sudden coming under pressure now? So I can completely understand what you're saying. But in this practical case, what is Restore Britain meant to do? Just not run in a critical by-election? No.

I think both of them are critically at fault. Critically at fault. They are absolute amateurs. And I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that the rest of the world is watching this pathetic fight. You know, reform doesn't need to do this. It doesn't need to put pressure on. It needs to talk about its policies

and talk about what it will do for Makerfield because I tell you now, that's what Andy Burnham is doing. Now, I don't agree with a word that comes out of Andy Burnham's mouth, but at least there's some professionalism about him. Restore need to grow up and talk about what they will do for this constituency. Okay, well, let's let Charlie. do that, Charlie, there's a lot there for you to respond to.

Yeah, well, I think on the first point, which was essentially, Bernie, I think getting at splitting the vote. In our view, there is no splitting of the vote taking place because Labor represent the left wing of the establishment. Reform represent the right wing of the establishment. And Restore Britain exists entirely outside of that paradigm. We don't believe in the current establishment. We're seeking to completely destroy it and bring in a new establishment, which will have its own left and its own right. Like, we're not in the business of making peace with the establishment. And so we are at every available opportunity going to take them on. And the Makerfield by-election is one such opportunity. Now, as to your point

about talking about the issues in Makerfield, our candidate Rebecca Shepherd has been going door-to-door every single day, as have hundreds of canvases speaking to local people about the issues that are concerning them. And we are listening to their concerns and incorporating them into our campaign and into Rebecca's program for the area if she wins. Now, if you look at Great Yarmouth, which is of course our leader Rupert Lowe's constituency, people across the country can look at that as a model for what a Restore Britain MP would do for a local constituency. Rupert is somebody who has given a voice to a town that felt that it had none in the halls of power, has driven investment into the area, has of course donated its own salary to various charities and organisations in the town, and has given the people of Great Yarmouth a sense that they have representation in Westminster. And I've been to Great Yarmouth many times. I was there during the local elections.

And having gone door to door and spoken to Great Yarmouth residents, I can tell you that they genuinely feel a renewed sense of faith in the British political system because of Rupert Lowe. And if the people of Makerfield are, if their voter turnout in 2024 is anything to go by, they are a very similar constituency to Great Yarmouth in that many people there feel that they do not have any political representation. So with the offer of Restore Britain and our excellent candidate Rebecca Shepard, what they have is the opportunity to have a voice in the halls of power, to have their interests put first, to not have an MP that is just there to become prime minister or to have a career in politics or any of the rest of it, but who is actually going to put their concerns at the top of the agenda. The continuing war between Rupert Lowe, Restore Britain and GB News, has erupted once again,

as the Farage Propaganda Channel launches a hit piece written by one of its regular guests on the Surging Restore. And this is one of the huge frustrations when it comes to this story. The mainstream media don't want you to hear from both sides of this debate. That is deeply, deeply concerning to me. And for those of you who accuse me of being some type of propagandists needs to understand that actually all I do is give a voice to all. parties. So Juliet Bordi, who has just said in the live chat, Daniel Rallai, you are all in for a store, you are biased, sickening. How many times have I asked for Laila Kahnem to come on this show and actually justify her to Kia to me? That invitation remains open. However, over on my former employer's

side, GB News, total opposite. Just today. I've actually had the cheek to interview Robert Kenyon, well, let's see if they do the same with Rebecca Shepherd, given they boast so often about their off-communist credentials. But the Daily Express columnist Carol Malone is doing her absolute best to try to dissuade GB News viewers from voting for Restore on June the 18th. She's not even trying to hide it. And when Malone went on the attack via the GB News website, which of course is not GB News regulated, Rupert simply asked her,

why doesn't G.B. News have me live in the studio to discuss it instead of publishing endless hit pieces with no right to reply? And of course this is doing GB News no favours as it exposes the channel's ongoing ban of Rupert from the airwaves. But Carol has continued her attacks. When a viewer told her Rupert Lowe cares so much about our country that he is standing up and devoting his life to save it, You can twist it to suit your need for reform, but people can see that what Farage's building is just Tories 2.0. The betrayers, we want our way of life and country restored. Carol replied, and you're never going to get it with Lowe. It's a far right fringe party always will be. And when Carroll went further on this, suggesting that he is motivated by spite and the need for revenge,

outspoken regular and restore Britain supporter, Conan Tomlinson, went on the attack. Asking, weren't you on television for two years straight, demanding more lockdowns, vaccine passports and vaccine mandates? Your neuroses hopelessly indebted the economy, ruined the prospects of mine and subsequent generations and stop people from being at the bedside of dying relatives. Spare us the concern trolling, Carol.

If Rupert has your disapproval, that's an endorsement. and he even bought the receipts attaching this Daily Express headline from Carol headline stuff your principles Malone erupts at paramedic after backlash to NHS mandatory jabs so to the superstar panel Bernie Spofforth

and Charlie Downs on this Charlie the GB News question is particularly fascinating because given they've interviewed Robert Kenyon today actually by their own law they now have to do the same with Rebecca Shepard So that's going to be very interesting to see if it will happen. But take the case of you, Charlie. I mean, I remember just a few months ago,

you were actually a host on GB News. You were hosting one of their podcasts. Now guests go on GB News and describe you as a neo-Nazi. So what do you know about what's going on behind the scenes at GB News? And will this ban on Rupert Lowe continue? It's quite an experience to have institutions that you have worked for in the past turn on you and smear you in the public realm, like just today. The Daily Mail, which is a place that I've written for many times, coming out and calling me an anti-Semi. And Dan, as you said, guests on GB News, a former employer of mine, coming out and calling me a neo-Nazi.

Now, these labels don't bother me. They are just the floundering attempts of establishment-aligned mouthpieces to discredit me and the party that I represent. But as it pertains to Rupert and the blacklisting of him and Restore Britain, I mean, I've not been able to get any solid proof that such a ban exists. But as I understand it, generally how it works in these kinds of spheres, is less that there is a formalised ban, a formalised blacklist, and more that there is a kind of preference cascade within these organisations, which is to say, if a member of the production team dares to suggest, that you have Rupert Lowe on as a guest, they will be ostracized socially and professionally. And Dan, you'll know more about this than I do, because you've been in the media for a longer time than I have. But I can absolutely believe that this is the case. It may not even be necessary at GV News to blacklist restore Britain.

When if you suggest that you get one of their members and representatives on, like myself or Rupert, you will be, you know, turned down for job opportunities in the future and, you know, invitations to drinks parties and all this kind of thing. I can understand why there might be a climate of fear around inviting us on. Now, this is all speculation, and speculation is not a good form of investment. But nevertheless, I can believe that something like this is the case. And this has been the case beyond GB News, across the entire mainstream media, up until very recently. They have conspired to, maybe not necessarily literally,

but it certainly looks like they have conspired to crowd, restore Britain out, and not speak about us. And they're only now speaking about us, because they are all in tandem recognizing that we do actually represent a threat to their hegemony. I mean, they are scared. They are scared because Nigel Farage is a shareholder of that channel and it certainly wasn't the goal when I was there to launch GB News,

but the goal has changed when Nigel came closer to power and the idea of being able to get a prime minister, a G.B. News Prime Minister into Downing Street, I think, has become irresistible to the management and to the owners of that company. But Bernie Spofforth, I don't think this position is going to be able to hold, is it? Because the problem is GB News is in the mainstream media. And the mainstream media don't call the shots on this anymore. And Rupert Lowe cannot be ignored anymore. I mean, he's in the Daily Mail every day. Sure, they might all be hit pieces. But if your G.B. News, you are literally currently having to block out a massive part of the daily news agenda.

Yeah, they have to have him on, regardless of whether they like him or their opinions, regardless of whether their remit is to attempt to get reform into power. They have to have him on. And they should show some light. I want to see policies. I don't want to see them arguing with each other. I want to see policies. And so does everyone else in the country.

If they're going to win a general election, either with store or reform, then tell me how you're going to deal with things. I want to know some real stuff. I'm bored of immigration now. I don't think either of you can do what you're promising to do. I want to know about the economy. I want to know what you're going to do about energy. I want to know what you're going to do about jobs. I want to know how you're going to do with the bond markets.

I want to know how you're going to deal with debt. And Rupert has to be heard. How can people make a proper decision about who to vote for in a general election if they only ever talk about squabbling and who's a neo-Nazi. It's completely ridiculous. Not only do I want to see Rupert on G-B news, but I want to see him on the BBC and ITV. I want to see him on Channel 4. I want to see him on the Left One podcast. I want everybody criticised and questioned to the nth degree. Yeah, I mean, Charlie, there is an interesting question here. It was something that Connor Tomlinson raised on outspoken last week. He claimed that actually,

there is some dissent within Restore Britain about whether Rupert should do more. And there is some suggesting that he has actually been held back in the mainstream media. And a little bit of that came out in this very odd interview with The Spectator this week, which in my view was a hit piece, actually, against Restore Britain. It was a dishonest hit piece. However, within it, they did make the point that there are actually mainstream media organisations that do want Rupert on. What's your position on this?

What's the party's position on this? Because, for example, when Rupert Lowe came up against the fake newsagent star Emily Maitliss, he completely destroyed her. Like, there isn't anything to be afraid of, is there, in terms of putting Rupert up into the Lions Den. It's sort of the Donald Trump strategy, isn't it?

Like, let him go on and let him destroy them. Well, I think, as with all startups, populated by hard-headed young men, which is basically what Restore Britain is. There's a variety of opinions on all topics. Now my view is that I do think Rupert should be doing more mainstream media. Now it has been the case that for a very long time, literally up until the last few days, we have had no attention from the mainstream media. There has been what looks like a concerted efforts to not platform Rupert and the party. But now that we are gaining more

mainstream attention, I do think we should be you know taking as many opportunities as we can possibly get. Because as you say, Ruper actually performs best in hostile environments, which is ironic given that that's one of our key flagship policies ourselves. But no, I mean, he is, you know, the more the public see of Ruper, the more the public get to know Rupert. And this has certainly been the experience in Great Yarneth and Makerfield, the more they warned to him, the more they realized that,

my goodness, if this man was Prime Minister, our country would be a damn sight better. So I'm of the view that, yeah, we should be getting out there as much as possible. as much as possible. Now, in the aftermath of the Makeville by-election, depending on the outcome, whether that will happen is another matter, because it may be the case that after the dust has settled, the invitations and coverage cease because it's no longer necessary from a news perspective to cover us, where it is necessary now. So we'll have to wait and see. But I think that we're going to do very well, and I think that going forward, the mainstream media is going to have no choice but to cover us. And I've got to say, Dan, the day,

that Rupert Lowe goes on question time is going to be a seismic day indeed. Yeah, indeed it will be. And I hope it happens. What is interesting, though, is seeing people who maybe a lot of us would have considered allies rarely lose their mind about Restore Britain. And I wanted to ask you about one piece in particular, Charlie, because you have read it and responded to it. And it is by Brennan O'Neill, in spite online. and he actually describes your party as the enemy of populism, writing, apologies if this sounds a little class war, but there is something sick-making about low. A man born into eye-watering privilege, frustrating one of the best chances the working classes

have had in years of sticking it to the political machine. Across Makerfield, people are relishing the opportunity to rip the crown from King Andy's head and deny the zombie uny party down south the breath of life. life it thinks Burnham will bring. And yet in Swarm Lowe's dorkish minions essentially say, nah, not this time, oakes, and Lowe gloats online fancying himself as the pure voice of the angry right, but looking to the rest of us like a privately educated prick, robbing the working class of its means of rebellion. Restore is the enemy of populism. It's a cult of personality pretending to be a party. Lowe, who's MP for Great Yarmouth, famously flounced out of Reform UK

and said it to become the cult of Nigel. That's rich from a man whose online army of tongue-loaning acolytes would make Kim Jong-un wins. Restore is an almost entirely digital phenomenon, having eschewed the hard work of building real networks and real communities in favour of forging a virtual refuge for the socially inept who Yelp to port on a loop and jizz when Elon Musk retweets them. It's virtual fan bases hand-downs, hands-down the gayest political movement in Britain.

You can't bruise social media these days without seeing a homoerotic AI meme of a sexed-up low about to do battle with the Muslims. Get a room, lads. It's the your party of the right. It exists more in the digital sphere than in the real world. It attracts cranks and misfits who wouldn't last five minutes in a pub in a place like Megafield. And it is so far up the fundament of purity politics that it spends more time hunting, like Farage, than it does building new institutions. Working class voters hate this crap. They want a politics that works for them, not the vaing glorious meme-making and treason hunting

of time-rich assholes on the internet who prized the preservation of their own puffed-up moral vanity more highly than the desires of working people. Charlie, absolutely brutal. you responded that yes, 2010's populism as embodied in the figures of Trump and his friends like Farage has been utterly defeated as a radical force. It now belongs to the establishment and has no teeth. We are nationalists. But he's calling you a dork

and sort of saying that you're just on the internet, Charlie. That's it. Oh, what am I going to do, Dan? We've lost Brendan O'Neill. I find it very funny that in spiked formerly living Marxism, as you'll know, Dan, launched by the likes of Frank Faradie of the Revolutionary Communist Party, is, you know, presenting themselves as being the authentic voice of the working class. Now, you know, Marxists have never been hugely popular among the working class. But this article was ridiculous. I mean, I think Brendan O'Neill made an absolute fool of himself in this article. And many of the claims that he's made, like, for example, one that's made by many people that were a purely on phenomenon are demonstrably false. I mean, go to a Restore Britain branch meeting. You will see dozens, sometimes hundreds of people from all walks of life, from all classes, for that matter, since he wants to make it about that, who are all united by their concerns

about the country and their vision for its future and the fact that they believe that Restore Britain is the party to deliver that future and Rupert Lowe is the leader that the country needs. Now, again, so many of these claims are just so ridiculous. And as I said, This idea of populism is one that I think is in the rearview mirror for most people now. Populism was a movement. I mean, there's many definitions for that word, as there are in all, for all political terms. But populism as understood as being the kind of currents on the political right across the West in the late 2010s and early 2020s, embodied in the figure of Trump,

and also his friends like Farage, Victor Orban, Georgian Maloney, and very, various others, that is dead as a force, as a radical force. It has been utterly contained and subverted by the establishment. And you need only look at Trump's warmongering in the Middle East, his failure to conduct mass deportations in the USA, and the way in which people like Farage have caved to pressure from the establishment on all sorts of issues, whether it's British identity, remigration, or any of these other key issues, these most pressing issues of our time. And so, yes, I'm quite happy to wear the badge of being an enemy of populism because I think that populism is a spent force. And it is essentially now, and I don't say this lightly, taking advantage of the fears and hopes of an increasingly desperate British people who see their country declining, rapidly, being destroyed, in fact, around them, and is looking for answers, is looking for leadership, is looking for political representation.

And con men like Nigel Farage and the various others that I have listed will, you know, speak the right words. But when they actually get into power, they betray their base, which is exactly what Trump did. It's exactly what Georgia Maloney did and various others. So yes, if being radical means opposing that style of politics, I say absolutely we do. So, Bernie, that is a clear vision. And it is a vision that suggests we are coming to the end of Nigel Farage and Donald Trump. And I think you could put Boris Johnson in that category too, Bernie. And look, they did in some ways amazing things.

But it hasn't worked really, has it? The globalists have won. Why, I don't think Boris Johnson did anything good at all. I heard what Charlie said, and I think it's very ideological. And we're not in an ideological position anymore. were in a totally screwed position. And I think that the problem is, he's right, in that people who want greater change far faster

feel let down by reform. I think you're right, Charlie. The problem, where you lose me, is that you're not articulating how and what you're going to do. And that's where reform then wins, because at least Nigel has some understanding of the barriers and the issues you're up against internationally. And you can be as idealistic and fabulous as you are, Charlie, I have a lot of time for you.

But unless you understand how that global world is being played, you're only going to let these people down. I really think you will. I don't believe reform can win this. Do I think they should stand aside? That's a tricky one. I believe absolutely in democracy and we should give people choice.

Do I think it might screw everything for all those people who are just desperate to do something different? I think it might, but you know that's democracy. So we just have to roll the dice and see what happens. I know that's not the answer everybody wants,

but sometimes democracy gets it wrong and the people get it wrong and they have to get it very wrong before they can get it right. And that's where I think we're at at the moment. Breaking today in 24 hours, Sadiq Khan and Narenda Kaur have just been exposed as the biggest grifters in Britain. First, Tommy Robinson hitting back at the failed Islamist mayor of London.

And the fact that he is blaming the far right, an invisible far right, for the capital's decline in a continued effort to enact an Islamist takeover of the disunited kingdom. But Tommy rumbled him, posting Pakistani mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has now come out in an interview to declare the crime-ridden capital as all a mirage. Crimes are made up. I get this. Russia, China, and Trump. So this actually happened, and you won't be surprised to know,

it was an interview with that Joe politics propagandist, Ava Santina. Watch. 39% of negative social media and knife cram, 39% is made and pushed by the far right. 25% of stories from social media and violence against women and girls and misogynistic stuff comes from the far right. But we also now know there are Russian-backed, Chinese-backed and MAGA-backed groups pushing this disinformation, misinformation, and lies. So you've got two things happen at the same time.

monetizing negativity by individuals want to make money, but also people with their own motivations, Russia, China, Donald Trump supporters doing the same. And when you think about it, if you're a nativist, if you're somebody who's passionate about monothecity, you know, if you're a nationalist, if you're somebody who believes that Christianity is superior to every other religion, then you must hate London. Why? Because we're liberal, we're progressive, we're diverse, we're diverse, were multicultural and on any object of Crateria, the greatest city in the world. We're the antithesis of all you believe in. He is desperately, desperately trying to convince us

that what we see with our own eyes, the crimes taking place in our own neighbourhoods, are simply a figment of our imagination. And Santina just accepts it, folks. The reason why across the globe, London is recognised, except for the nativists that we talked about, as the greatest in the world. It's the greatest in the world because it's a contribution made over successive generations by migrants from Freddie Mercury to Mo Farah, from, you know, Howard Marx, from, you know, Mark's expenses, to Dulepa and Rita Ora. And we can name some others, you know, the lionesses have children of migrants and so forth. then I think Farage used to understand the history of why London is the greatest city in the world.

And the final point I make is this in relation to Nigel Farage. Let's be frank, he's a pound-sharp, poor man's version of Donald Trump. And we saw what happened in Hungary recently with Orban being voted out. We've seen what's happening across the globe with people rejecting these nativist politicians. and of hoping that people like Farage aren't rewarded to May the 7th as a protest, but also the electoral election. Khan then actually had the cheek.

Because remember, this guy, and I don't care what anyone tells me about this, is not British. He's a Pakistani operative, okay? He is someone who has worked in Pakistan for years and years and years behind the scenes to usher in an Islamist takeover. But he actually actually,

has the cheek to go on an outfit like Politics Joe and lecture us about what it truly means to be British. Nigel Farage and reform, they're going to bring in an end to indefinite leave to remain. What's that going to do to London? Well, I think this is a good example of Nigel Farage, not necessarily what it means to be British. What it means to be British is respecting the rule of law, expecting, respecting due process, but also recognising that, you know, we don't bring in laws that are retrospective. Why do I say, that. There are people in this country who have benefited from, you know, hard graft, playing by the rules and paying taxes as insurance because they've earned the right to be British by

being here for five years on indefinite leave to remain. What Farage wants to do is to move the goalposts and change rules of the game. So you could have been here for a number of years, working incredibly hard, played by the rules of the game, and he's changing the rules of the game. and that's very un-British and so that's the first point I'd make. But what's great is the lies of these hard left grifters are exposed, including Narenda Kaur, who went on Peter McCormick's podcast

and claimed that unite the kingdom protesters would turn violent against her because of her skin colour, only to be shown up by the podcaster who wouldn't let her get away with her sick bullshit, even though he did so in a very polite manner. As Basil the Great posted on X, Narenda Caw says she would be attacked at a Tommy Robinson rally because she's brown-skinned. Then 40 seconds later agrees it's actually just because people disagree with her.

Look at this car crash moment. It's revealing. My answer to that is this. I can go to the opposition mode, stand up to racism. Any woman of any colour, any religion can go to stand up racism and she's safe. as a brown woman, as a black woman, we cannot go into a Tommy Robinson march and be assured safety.

Doesn't that tell you everything? No, it doesn't. Oh, if I turn up on Saturday to the Tommy Robinson's, I will be attacked. I don't think you will. Well, listen, I don't. I have to be escorted out at the Nick, what's his name?

Nick Tinchone? How do you say his name? He does the advance, not advance you, okay, who is he part of? I went along there. I had six police officers had to take me out. Well, so when I was at the Tommy March, there were a lot of black people there,

There was some, I don't know what. No, I'm not saying there isn't. I think it's more. They're probably yelling at you because they disagree with you. Yes, yes. That's a... To my superstar panel, author Bernie Spofforth and Restore Britain's Charlie Down. So, Charlie, this is where it's like we're living in a parallel universe.

Right? Like, these two are just given these platforms to spread these lies. and it is actually dangerous because they are not called out. There's a lot to unpack in both of those exchanges, Dan. I mean, to start with Sadiq Khan. I find it very interesting that he frames his opponents, the enemies of his vision of London, as dreadful as it is, as nativists.

That's the word that he uses. And I find it interesting because that's a word that is increasingly entering political discourse in this country. Now, I call my job. And what's wrong with it? Well, I mean, this was the question I was going to ask. I've called myself a nationalist quite recently. And I do think that there is, there are problems associated with labelling yourself with an ister an ism. But I do also think that it can be quite useful, because it can set, it can demonstrate in a single word how you are different to the opposition. Now, I think when Sadiq Khan says nativist, what he actually means is just native because as you know, Dan, London is now minority, native British. It is majority, you know, migrants. and migrant descended, just as Enoch Powell said it would be in the 60s. And therefore, it is not surprising that natives, not nativists, but natives,

go into London and don't recognise a city that belongs to them. And that's because it doesn't. London is no longer really the capital of England, certainly. It is an international financial hub that anybody from anywhere can come and live in. And it is also, not surprisingly, a low trust, crime-ridden dump. and those two things are not disconnected. They are actually, you know, they are entirely predictable, I think, as an outcome of the kind of multicultural, neoliberal project that London has become in the 21st century. And as to Narinda Cower talking about getting beaten up at a Tommy Robinson rally, I mean, Tommy Robinson is about as moderate as you can get these days when you're talking about dissident politics in Britain. He is on camera many times saying that he, like Nigel Farage, doesn't really believe in the idea of a native British people. So in that sense, he shares Sadiq Khan's opinion. And that ultimately, back to Bernie's points on previous segments,

that is what sets Restore Britain apart from other parties. It is that we are prepared to have a conversation about who this country actually belongs to, whereas the likes of Farage, right the way through to the likes of Sadiq Khan are not. They are, what they will say is there's no such thing as a native population in this country, which, in my view, is tantamount to genocidal land. language to suggest that a native people does not have a claim to their own homeland is awful.

Well, honestly, if you said that, Charlie, in New Zealand or Australia, two countries that I know about, the left would go absolutely mad. It's absolutely fine to be a nativist if you're talking about Aboriginal people or First Nations people in Australia. Absolutely fine if you're talking about American Indians. You know, absolutely fine if you're talking about the Inuits in Canada. Absolutely fine if you're talking about the Maldis in New Zealand. But when it comes to English natives, it's wrong. And actually, this is really difficult because if you look at the sort of big tech way of dealing with this, they struggle because this is the definition, Bertie, of the Google definition of a nativist, a person who strongly supports policies and

beliefs that favor native-born or long-established inhabitants over immigrants. Now, I struggle to understand how that is a bad thing. And Bernie, I would describe myself as a nativist. I think most British people would describe themselves as a nationist. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, although like Charlie, I don't like isst on things. I think Siddh Khan is just gaslighting the nation, like he has done for many years to make us all feel like we're in the wrong.

when he sat on a city where in some parts over 20% of those boroughs are claiming benefits from the taxpayer. Now, there are a lot of migrants in London that work in banking, and it's a huge, massive sector and generates enormous amounts of revenue. That really isn't what people have a problem with. What people have a problem with is migrants come into the country on temporary, Pruy visas, losing their job or giving up their jobs, being in social housing and taking benefits from British taxpayers whilst British people suffer. That's the problem. It's really, really simple. And there's nothing wrong, I don't believe, in reforms policy of saying,

look, if you've been here five years or so, and now we're paying for you to be in social housing and on benefits, you should really go home. And so we're going to make that easy and throw you out, right there is nothing wrong with that policy the problem is that the hard left the far left the ideologues the progressives want you to believe that that makes you a bad person but you're right they'll fight for the scottish to be Scottish they'll fight for the Welsh to be Welsh but if the English dare to say we're English and we're proud oh we're bad people and racists it's a ridiculous paradox that they can't seem to see but that everyone else in England can't see really clearly.

And Charlie, given Bernie's just raised the Reform UK policy on this, who do you think we should trust within that party? Is it Zia Yusuf, who suggests that there is a more hardline stance? Or is it Robert Jenrick, who, let's be honest about it, has had a damascene conversion, but did a hell of a lot of damage as a conservative cabinet minister? Do you trust that Yusuf really is moving reform to this more hardline policy, presumably, to match what you guys are doing in Restore? Well, I was thinking when Bernie was speaking.

I'm not sure that that is Reforms policy because Robert Jemick was on television saying that that's not their policy. And then Zia Yusuf came back and said it is their policy. It's not been written in any of their policy documents as thin as they are. even that is not included in them. So I don't know what reforms policy actually is on this. However, one thing is certain, and that is that they do recognise the threat posed by Restore Britain and are moving in a more radical direction as a result. But there is another fundamental difference between reform and restore beyond policy, and that is personnel. Because you talk about trust, Dan, and I don't think anybody who has been paying attention to politics for the last five to ten years

would trust Robert Jenrick or for that matter anybody else in reform as far as they could throw them. These are people in many cases who have an existing record in government. And when they were in government, they presided over massive betrayals like the Boris Wave in the case of Swellabroman and Robert Jenrigg. Now, and the Deem Zaharwe, let's not forget, presided over vaccine passports. These are people that we've already been governed by. And they are trying to rebrand themselves and suggest that they've had some kind of damascene conversion. But I don't buy it.

These are people that are motivated by their own station, in my view. They want the status, they want the fame, they want the money that is associated with being a high-profile politician, and they can nothing for the future of this country. And so we talk about trust, I don't trust reform as far as I could throw them. Rupert Lowe is a man who's in politics purely because he wants to save the country. He donates his salary to charity every month and treats these people with the contempt they deserve. He doesn't care about being invited to these drinks parties in Westminster. He is just about destroying the political class,

and replacing it with a new one, which God knows this country needs. Indeed. Well, look, stand by you two because we are about to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass, but first, I cannot tell you how much feedback we have had coming in on the whole Reform UK Restore Britain Civil War. It's not a civil war, is it? There's a civil war within Reform UK. It's just all out war.

Just a war. Exactly, just a full-on war between Reform and Restore. Kalamazoo makes a good point. Hey, Reform. Where's your membership counter? Yeah, that seems to have disappeared, doesn't it? Tilly Sanders 2593 says it doesn't matter what they say about restore intelligent people are not stupid and see straight through their desperate tactics.

Patricia Duncan, 643, says reformer playing dirty games and will suffer because of their dirty politics. Farage is panicking because Rupert Lowe is racing on to become PM. He definitely is the better politician. JBDX says Alex Phillips is unbearable. she's like a foghorn on speed. You could use her voice as a torture technique. Avto Matt 4774 says reform's only pitch seems to be,

but we are inevitable. So you have to vote for us. But Matt W. Grin, because you know there's a debate about this, says even as a restore supporter, all this bitch about reform on here daily is stupid. Concentrate on what we are doing and forget the others. Ginger 1, 2, 3, 4 says Matt Goodwin through Connor Tomlinson and Charlie Downs under a bus,

a proper backstabber he is. Deborah T. 2548 says reform flip-flops as much as labor, restore all the way for me and I'm 59 and a woman. Not what that idiot said earlier. Crafty Laugh says it's reform that's causing the problem. They disregard our voters. Sensational Brits says reform couldn't even win in Gorton and Denton with their top candidate. They are the making of their own downfall in Makerfield. Ian Murphy 7156 says GB News gave Kenyon an easy time, to be honest. Well, I'm not surprised about that, but I'm going to have to watch it. I'm going to have to make sure they get Rebecca Shepard on now too. And Ano Anno, 99, says GB News are another propaganda machine. All our political bullshit programs are shills for

whoever they back. Okay, a reminder of today's greatest Britain and Union jackass nominees. So going head to head for the worst Britain in the world today, Charlie Downs nominated Lois Perry for leading the charge in conspiring with the establishment to restore to smear, to smear. Restore Britain. Bernie Spofforth nominated Tony Blair because of his concern that Stama is now a managerial globalist, even though he created that exact environment. And I went for Peter Murrell, who's behind bars. And because scheming Sturgeon was nominated earlier in the week, it was only right that he got his moment in the shade. Okay, the results were in. Peter Marl and me in third place with 20% of the vote. Lois Perry and Charlie Downfield.

the runner up with 23% of the vote. But the winner, with 57% of the vote, Bernie Spofforth and our former Prime Minister, Tony Blair. And Bernie, actually, that is a perfect opportunity to talk about your book. Because this has just gone up on pre-order on Amazon this week. It's already number one, a war to win back your world. And a lot of this book, I've read it. absolutely brilliant, does unpick the sort of world that the globalists like Tony Blair have created. So how do you feel about the fact that he's getting involved today and trying

to direct the Labour Party once more? I just think it's all, they have to fix little bits in the road when things go wrong, right? Because we've been doing this framework, systems, development of international cooperation in all areas of your life for about 50 years. And they're used to things going wrong. They just kept with Trump in his first term. He got a bit better in his second. So they're used to dealing with bumps in the road. I just think Tony Blair's come in to deal with a little bit of a bump in the road,

but it won't change the direction of travel. And what the book does is it pulls together all the threat. aspects of your life that you feel is being managed. How is it being managed? Where is it being managed? What is it being managed by? And I think these are the greater aspects of control that we never get a say in,

but which are deeply affecting us, deeply affecting the country. It's economy, it's freedom, its direction. And I really want people to hear more about who's making the decisions because it isn't people in Parliament. Well, it's an amazing book, and I really urge everyone to pre-order a war to win back our world by Bernie Spofforth because silence feels like dying. But Charlie Down's giving you didn't win, the UJ, it's your choice as to who is going to be our greatest Britain. Well, I have nominated Rebecca Shepard, our excellent candidate in Makerfield, for embodying the ethos of Restore Britain as,

a normal woman who felt so incensed by the decline of our country that she felt it was her duty to stand up and do something about it. Very good choice. Very, very good choice. I'm hoping that she's going to be on outspoken very soon. Please give her a little nudge, Charlie, because I think it's important that more and more people hear from her. But absolutely brilliant to have you.

As I say, we will have these discussions that GB News won't, that talk won't. There is a huge debate going on on the right. and they can just pretend that it's not. But unfortunately, thank God, they don't drive the conversation anymore because the mainstream media is dying. So Charlie Downs, Restore Britain spokesman, so great to have you. And Bernie Spofforth, author of A War to Win Back Our World, thank you so much. We're moving over to Substack now for the Royal Uncanceled After Show.

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