Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE SLAMS RUPERT LOWE AS POLICE INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED & ELON MUSK SPEAKS OUT

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

MANSCAPED: Get 20% off + free shipping with the code Outspoken at https://manscaped.com Nigel Farage has lashed out at Rupert Lowe, responding to the axed Reform MP’s bombshell interview on Outspoken yesterday. And now the police are investigating Zia Yusuf’s claims. PLUS: Elon Musk is interested in launching a new party to rival Reform UK as the British right splinters. AND: Darren Grimes speaks out for the first time since leaving GB News in the Uncancelled Interview. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Angela Levin, our Royal Mastermind, on Meghan’s Netflix witch hunt and why she has just ripped off Martha Stewart as Catherine, the Princess of Wales, shines for the world on Commonwealth Day. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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yesterday. Well, no, I think that particular accusation comes from our party chairman, and this didn't just happen months ago. It's actually happened in the space of the last few days as well. So that's obviously a very serious thing. The police are following this up and they are conducting a full investigation. Look, there is a behavioural problem here. There has been a behavioural problem for some months. Outbursts, anger, that kind of thing. And it is now confirmed that the police, the Met Police, are investigating these claims from Zia Youssef.

I think they are spurious and Rupert forcefully denied them right here yesterday. So what is being said, and no one has reported this, but what is being said, and I believe it's untrue, but I want to give you the opportunity to say it's untrue, that you threatened to slit Zia Youssef's throat in that meeting. No, that's, Dan, Dan, Dan, that's not right. What I did say after Friday was that the party had just slit its own throat. That's what I said about the party. So in my digest next, I'll reveal why this disastrous civil war

is far more damaging to Reform UK's chances of smashing the Uniparty than they probably want to believe. Then, in his first appearance since leaving GB News, Darren Grimes is here for the uncancelled interview. He is now the man behind the brilliant Darren Grimes unleashed on Substack, which I really recommend you all check out at DarrenGrimes.com. Also coming up on the show today, Elon Musk. He's interested in launching a new party to rival Reform UK. But is this good news as the British right splinters? Darren speaks out on the real reason behind his departure from GB News and reveals why he is running for Reform UK. And then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Angela Levin, our royal mastermind on Meghan's

Netflix witch hunt and why she has just riffed off Martha Stewart as Catherine, the Princess of Wales, shines for the world on Commonwealth Day. And actually, even though Angela, sorry, even though Catherine was shining for the world, there was a really unfortunate outfit clash. Karen Hankey from the Dan Wharton Outspoken Club sent me that. See, Angela Rayner, not quite pulling off the same look I'm afraid to say. Now you can sign up, of course, to my sub stack, www.outspoken.live. We're also running Greatest Britain and Union Jackass as ever. The results will be announced at the end of the show. You can vote in the show notes live on YouTube. But today's nominees, as chosen by you, Meghan Markle, nominated by Just Margaret One, and that's because of her

Meghan Markle Mountbatten-Windsor fraud. Mark Carney, nominated by Annette Watmoo One, and the reason is for his bad French and being elected by the Liberal Party's Canadian PM, not an elected candidate, undemocratic. And the third nominee for today's Union Jackass, David Lammy, the Foreign Secretary, nominated by Ted Hodgson, who says he is our worst ever Foreign Secretary

for just being himself and ignoring the murder of Christians in Syria with him giving the murderers millions. And that is, of course, because he did sign off 50 million in aid for Syria in December last year. And people are now calling for a freeze of all funds to Syria. So get voting and I'll announce the greatest person at the end of the show too. But now let's go. So as someone who has been the victim of a witch hunt based on completely false allegations where the police were weaponized in an attempt to cause my cancellation.

I have to be honest, I feel deeply uneasy, deeply uneasy about this civil war engulfing Reform UK. Yes, I support this party. I voted for them at the last election. And indeed, I was the first person to predict Nigel Farage will be the UK's Prime Minister by 2029, on the day he announced he was standing in Clacton last June. But there is a big but, I'm afraid. Because to see this party

implement the dark and devious tactics of the left, spurious HR complaints about so-called bullying of woke snowflakes, dragging the police in over hurty words. Well, it just goes against everything I thought reform is meant to believe in. I couldn't actually believe that this was the response from Nigel Farage to Rupert Lowe's soul-bearing exclusive interview with me here on Unspoken yesterday. Some people look at the timing and scratch their heads. This guy writes an article accusing you of being the messiah and an egomaniac and suddenly you're referring to the police for something that happened months ago. That's pretty fishy. Well no I think that particular accusation it comes from our party chairman and this didn't just happen months ago

it's actually happened in the space of the last few days as well. So that's obviously a very serious thing. The police are following this up, and they are conducting a full investigation. Look, there is a behavioral problem here. There has been a behavioral problem for some months. Outbursts, anger, that kind of thing. Frankly, I've tried to put it all to the back of my mind. We've all tried to put it to the back of our minds.

And as I say, I'm not prejudging anything on these allegations of a bullying culture going on in his offices. But I put it to you, any party who had a senior figure that was facing those accusations would have to act in some way. And sure enough, the headlines this afternoon confirm a Met Police investigation into Zia Youssef's claims has been launched by the Met,

even though Rupert knows nothing about it. And I have to be honest, I would much prefer the Met Police were focused on burglaries, on muggings, on rapes, on grooming gangs. But Rupert has made it clear he isn't taking Nigel's claims lying down. He posted on X, Mr Farage has openly lied about me on national television. He must urgently apologise, retract and correct the record. He says he knows for a fact on the 29th of February I was informed that there was a parliamentary investigation into allegations.

He also goes on to say shortly after that I gave the interview to the Daily Mail. These are outright lies. The actual Daily Mail interview took place on the 25th of February, days before publication. The interview itself was conducted before I received the first letter from Reform on the 28th of February. This letter was not from Parliament. To suggest I used the interview to deflect from any investigation is factually untrue. I have heard absolutely nothing from Parliament about any of this. Nigel Farage needs to urgently correct the record, apologize, and stop telling lies about me. Their malicious witch hunt against me has fallen apart. And that's before you even get to Yusuf's claims that have resulted in the police investigation. So Reform's chairman says that

Rupert made some sort of death threat against me. But in our exclusive interview, Rupert Lowe insisted that just isn't the case. This was an argument, I would say it was, on the 13th of December between Zia and I. He sent a power email basically trying to undermine my position in norfolk um and we it was one-on-one we had a frank conversation i made my uh feelings known and i haven't seen spoken to him or nor have Reform head office tweeted or retweeted any of my stuff since that date. So it's clearly a debate.

Nothing was said, as far as I'm aware. in fact, any reference to throat-slitting, he says, Rupert says, was speaking metaphorically about reform's future. So what is being said, and no one has reported this, but what is being said, and I believe it's untrue, but I want to give you the opportunity to say it's untrue, that you threatened to slit Zia Youssef's throat in that meeting. No, that's not right. What I did say after Friday was that the party had just slit its own throat. That's what I said about the party. I haven't.

So you weren't making a threat to him? I didn't say that to Zia, by the way. I said that to my staff and I maintain that. I think this is a most mysterious and extraordinary decision that was made. And, you know, so no, I haven't spoken to Zia or communicated with him as far as I'm aware. I pushed Rupert one more time because he is absolutely certain that this complaint is completely spurious and designed to destroy him.

Watch. Okay. But in that meeting on December the 13th on why this matters is it's the complaint that's been made to the police. And we have to know if this police complaint is being used really as the weaponization of the justice system or if there was anything serious did you threaten his life at all in that it was a it was a robust debate about an email he sent and i i can't remember the exact words we were in there together it was a robust debate because I was irritated that he was playing power games with Norfolk,

which, as you know, is part of part of my sort of constituency. We've been busy setting up the local branches. Indeed, since since Friday, they've suspended the branch chairman. And I was you know, I've been around a long time. And by the way, I'm 67. And he's 38. So I don't honestly think that any that any credible emphasis can be given to what he said, frankly, but look, I've got my solicitors, when Mitchell have been sitting on hold for most of the day trying to speak to the Met. It's very difficult to get through to them.

I've already teed up if the police wish to talk to me. I hope they will do it politely. I hope they will do it in a confidential way. And I hope that when we meet, they will show me what evidence they have for the accusations that have been made. And of course, that hasn't happened because that never happens with the Met police who have leaked probably or confirmed that this investigation is going on. It's awful. It is the political weaponisation of our justice system. And what is so shocking about this overall reform civil war is that even Nigel's closest allies are speaking out despondently. Take Kate Hoey,

a Brexiteer supporter close to Nigel. She posted to Lee Anderson, reform's chief whip, yesterday. Seems like Lee is ignoring the saying, when in a hole, stop digging. This clearly is a deliberate ploy to get rid of one of the most popular reform MPs, very short-sighted, and reform members all over the country must be very frustrated. And take this, I really want to show you this actually, from conservative defector Tim Montgomery, a Farage supporter who admitted on talk this morning to Julia Hartley Brewer exactly what this plot is really about. I'm more of the view that actually there were political tensions between the two men. They had a different view about where the party should go. Rupert Lowe, I think, was becoming quite impatient about some of the points that he was making.

And Nigel Farage decided this was not a tension that he would tolerate. And I think these allegations of misbehaviour were more of a cover for something that he wanted to do anyway. OK, so you're saying these are political differences rather than personal ego differences, because a lot of people think it's more about personal ego on both men's parts. I think it's more a political that reform are having to go through. Yeah, but you don't call the police.

That's my issue here. Have that argument. Do not try and take away someone's liberty. Seriously. For an argument. Political argument. Meanwhile, in an extraordinary and unprecedented statement, Rupert's so-called bullied staff have all spoken out in support of their boss. And critically, and here's the big difference, guys,

they have put their names to this statement. So watch Mike Graham's sage take on this situation on talk. And again, I stress, Mike Graham is another longtime ally of Nigel Farage. This statement has been issued this morning by Rupert Lowe's basically staff, seven people who talk about how great he is. One, two, three, four, five, yeah, seven people. I got that right. Who talk about how great he is, how they two, three, four, five, yeah, seven people. I got that right. Who talk about how great he is, how they've never seen any violent or vicious behaviour from him. They call him a good, decent, honest man.

They say that, to put it simply, we all love working for him. We would like to put our sincere appreciation to him on the record. Wider allegations of bullying are entirely untrue. It puts an absolute dagger to the heart of the argument being made by Nigel Farage that what we have here is a sort of slightly unhinged man who doesn't seem to be in control of his actions or his emotions.

Doesn't sound like that at all. So what we don't know is what the next move will be. Nigel Farage talks about an investigation going on, the police have been called, all sorts of things are happening. But quite frankly, after seeing Rupert Lowe being interviewed by Dan Wootten last night on his show, the man looks completely in control of his faculties.

He sounds like a man who is very sincere about what he wants to do and why he wants to continue to remain an MP to save Britain from itself. All of those things are very, very important. And we will continue to seek the truth. Of course, reform chiefs insist that the situation is not damaging them. They argue that Rupert isn't a big enough name to cross over and they point to strong ongoing polling in YouGov, even though they've just slipped behind Labour still in a pretty good place. However, dig deeper. And the same polling

company YouGov has discovered that reform voters are deeply unhappy about what's happening. A third of reform voters now questioning Farage's leadership. And that's not good. And it's not good because you need to keep your base happy and your base energised. Just look at Trump and the MAGA movement. And today, the Daily Express reports over 2,000 members have quit since Friday. But a bit of a bombshell here. I've been told the figure is closer to 10,000 members. Nigel, and remember, I am an ally of Nigel too, so this is all difficult. But he is insisting the problem isn't him. It's everyone else. I don't fall out with anybody. They fall out with me.

You know what? Most of the team I work with in this party are people that have been around me for over a decade. I am a team player. I do work with people. I do it for the long term. Your political biography is strewn with roadside political corpses, people you've fallen out with. I don't fall out with anybody. I just get on and do what I do. They fall out with me. And of course, politics shouldn't be this personal. It is deeply uncomfortable. So I repeat, I support Nigel Farage. I support Richard Tice. I support Rupert

Lowe. As I've always been very honest with you, I believe I'm a critical friend to reform because I want this country to be saved and we need a strong populist right to do that. But it's the police debate that Rupert was most important on and actually making sure that Nigel's positions were not softening on everything from mass deportations to, yes, the question of Islam. Watch. But the nub of it is we have a Muslim population in Britain growing by about 75% every 10 years. That's just where we are. If we politically alienate the whole of Islam, we will lose. We'll lose. So how does one include them? We will lose. We'll lose. So how does one include them? We will lose by 2050.

Goodness knows what kind of a terrible state we're going to be in. Now look, I still hope there's a way back from all of this. Because allowing Rupert Lowe to walk out and join the Tories or launch his own party backed by Elon Musk is insanity for Reform UK. It didn't have to be this way and it shouldn't be this way. Now, Darren Grimes here for today's uncancelled interview. Darren, so great to have you on Outspoken for the first time. I'm really excited to talk much more in just a little bit about your decision to leave GB News, set up independently with Darren Grimes Unleashed. We're going to get to all of that. But of course, we have to kick off

with the news of the day. And do you understand why I'm so concerned about this police investigation, Darren? Like, Reform have done this to themselves. I don't get it. It's brilliant to be with you, Dan. But listen, I share the concerns of everybody of the idea that reform itself could be at risk. You know, I share the concern that if that happened, we would end up with the uni party continuing to do what they have done since I was put on this planet in 1993. Which, incidentally, by the way, is the year that Nigel Farage got involved in British politics. But I'm not ready to pick everything up, Dan, and say, well, the game's up, let's call it a day and go on home. Because I look at my little niece, I'm sure you look at your little niece as well, Dan,

and you think of the kind of country that you want them to grow up in. And I think the best platform offering a prospectus that would save Britain is the Reform Party. I just wish that all of this would get sorted over a nice slap up meal, maybe at one of Nigel's favourite restaurants, talk it out and actually get going. Because the Conservatives today, you'll have seen this, Dan, they're going hell for leather on migration, hoping that we're all so thick that we totally forget about the Boris wave. 900,000 people coming here last year. We forget about all of that in a sort of days of disillusionment with the Reform Party. I hope and pray that that

doesn't happen. I hope and pray that we get through this dramatic period and actually reach a point of consensus and unity because the nation needs reform like you wouldn't believe, baby. And I get that. I get that. And this is where the right is really divided, Darren. So you're on the team of Alison Pearson, who I think is brilliant. I don't really know how I feel at the moment. I just want to report both sides fairly and accurately, and I don't want to see a good man like Rupert Lowe destroyed. But on the other side is Ben Habib, the former deputy leader of Reform UK. And I just want to take you through something that he has posted in the past hour. He says, there is no doubt the complaints leveled by Nigel Farage

and Zia Youssef against Rupert Lowe are rubbish. I knew they would try to rubbish him before the situation blew up. I rarely post private texts, but this is what I sent Rupert at 7.59 on the 28th of February. And I'm going to read that in just a moment. But he says, the tactics used with Rupert are tactics I've seen them use with dozens and dozens of good, loyal supporters. Their reward for giving up their lives for reform was being sacked and having their reputations destroyed. People who behave as they have done are not fit for government. And then this is the text message that he sent Rupert Lowe. He said, The rift is irreconcilable, as most are with Nigel. You should take control of events and resign. Then you control the narrative and the truth behind your rift will win over their lies. I know the above is obvious, but I'd kick myself if I didn't mention it and events then unfolded in their favor.

Happy to chat if you like. What a shame. Nigel cannot be a team player. But Alison Pearson of the Daily Telegraph, Darren, who is a great woman, a friend of both of ours, she posted in response to Ben Habib, I'm sure this is right, but setting ego and vanity aside, do you want a right-wing government or not? That is what's at stake.

Delusions that you could rival Nigel Farage's box office power are just that, delusions. A new party won't work, but it will give comfort to the enemy. Who's right there, Darren? Ben Habib or Alison Pearson? Listen, Ben Habib, by the way, did tweet saying he had permission from Rupert to share that. And I was glad to see that because I thought I sort of shrieked and recoiled with horror when I saw WhatsApp messages started to be posted. Well, I know what that's like. Remember Lawrence Fox's little game with me?

Yeah. Don't share private messages without permission. Good point. Absolutely. Absolutely. But on Alison's point, listen, I think Alison is a voice of common sense at Tally Towers. And what I would say, I hope people recognise that I've been in this game in an activist role since I was 21, right? I have never been in this for money, fame or fortune. If I did, I would make some very, very dodgy decisions throughout my life, including now. But the answer here has to be what serves the national interest most. Now, I think that this moment is deeply suboptimal, to say the least. It is unwanted, unnecessary, and I wish it hadn't happened. But we are where we are. Now, I don't know what Ben thinks will happen.

I assume maybe he thinks that there could be, and the FT reported this last night, that Elon Musk is tempted to fund a resurgent party. I think actually all you would do is end up losing the Farage effect. And I know that will make some viewers very angry at me saying that. But he is a man. I walk into homes in County Durham. Young people sat around in one room. I'll never forget it, and they all said to me, Darren, this country needs reform. It needs Nigel Farage. They know Nigel Farage because they watched him on I'm a Celebrity. They've grown up with Nigel Farage on the background. It takes

years and years to build up name recognition and brand identity quite like the Farage effect. The idea that you can come in with a load of money and Rupert Lowe will all of a sudden be the replacement messiah, to use his words, to use co-opt Rupert Lowe's language in that Daily Mail, infamous Daily Mail interview, which was reckless and irresponsible, by the way, because Andrew Pearce has wanted to destroy reform since day one. So I think that interview in and of itself was foolhardy. But taking all that in the round, they can't do this.

I think reform is the best possible vehicle to actually lead the charge up to 2029. And I totally get the groundswell of opinion that thousands of people have reportedly unfollowed Zia Youssef or cancelled their membership. But I hope they recognise that we are where we are because of where the Uniparty have taken us. And that actually reform are the only ones that are willing to take a sledgehammer to the British state and actually give the energy and pizzazz that's necessary to save this country. And I repeat that, save Britain, because we are facing a civilisational moment in this country. Big time. I'm so glad, by the way, you've mentioned Tory boy, Pierce, who absolutely is out to destroy Reform UK. That's a very good point.

By the way, quite shocking scenes there, though, in Parliament, Darren, in the House of Commons this afternoon, because you see Richard Tice and Lee Anderson sitting in the middle row, and then there's Rupert entering on his own. A lot of people feeling very, very sad about that situation yeah breaking right now elon musk is considering backing a rival party to reform uk in a move that would split the british right and potentially make politics incredibly difficult for both the Conservative Party and Nigel Farage's Reform UK in the coming months. Now, this revelation was broken by the Financial Times overnight.

And they report Elon Musk has expressed an interest in backing an alternative to Reform UK following a spat that erupted last week between the populist party's leader Nigel Farage and his most high-profile MP. The tech billionaire's allies say he has indicated that he would support a credible alternative party, according to people familiar with the matter, after Reform on Friday suspended Rupert Lowe. Reform claimed Lowe had been reported to the police over alleged threats of violence against the party's chair. The civil war has thrown Reform into disarray and threatens to overshadow the momentum the party had built from its extraordinary polling success where its support has recently topped that of Labour and the Conservatives. One senior figure close to Lowe said there had also been discussions among former party officials about forming an alternative group to reform,

although they were clearly aware of the huge challenges it would entail. The person said Rupert is a fighter, he's a bulldog, he won't be bowed by this. And they also report that he is considering suing reform or defamation. Darren Grimes, what do you think? Could there be an alternative party on the right, maybe led by Rupert Lowe, but also including the likes of Ben Habib, Howard Cox, Neil Hamilton? I mean, really good people. You could even, even maybe bring Nick Tencone and UKIP into the mix. I mean, you've just listed a whole lot of people who I've probably had dinner with at least once in my life, Dan. But listen, I think if you listen carefully, you can hear the shrieks of delight from the likes of Kemi Badnok and Sakhir Starmer,

because that would be what would delight them the most. You split the insurgent right that is now developed around and coalesced around reform, that actually the best chance we have of defeating the uniparty consensus, this happens once every hundred years. It was a 100 years ago that the Labour Party smashed the Liberal Party to become a party of government slash opposition. Reform stands a chance of being able to do that. The first time, certainly in many generations, that this has happened. We won't know this moment again, in my opinion. We have a golden opportunity to rewrite British politics. And if you want to ensure that reform is the voice that you want it to be, hang around, stay around, actually stiffen the resolve, come campaign for people that you like and choose the

ones maybe that you don't like. I don't care whatever it might be. But don't squander this golden opportunity to actually change British politics for too long. We've had two different sides of the same ugly old arse, if I can use that on your show, Dan. And we've had enough of it. The country's had enough of it. We are on our knees. We are a supplicant of the international stage. And I think actually reform are the only opportunity that we have, because I don't think we've got another two general elections, actually. I think we've got this one coming up 2029, by at least 2029. Otherwise, the game is up. And this project called Britain is over. Yeah, because things are looking really bad already. Yeah. I totally agree with that.

But one of the problems, I guess, Darren, is that we need the best minds. I want the best people in Reform UK. And I know we've got some news of your own to discuss on that in just a moment. But what I am concerned about is that won't some of the best and brightest now look at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and think, well, actually, why do I want to be part of this? Why do I want to take that risk? If you're Suella Braverman sitting in the Conservative Party right now, you think, well, why do I want to look at doing something like this when my reputation could be on the line? And it's very, very important that Nigel Farage surrounds himself with big voices, big names, very successful people who are able to

save this country. That is what we need. Look at the power of Donald Trump's second cabinet post his re-election compared to his first. And before I get your reaction, Darren, I just wanted to show you what Rupert Lowe told me in this exclusive interview on Outspoken yesterday about how he ended up being treated. Accusations is that I'm not a team player. Well, it's hard to be a team player when you're cut out of all the meetings and the press conferences. But it was suggested I should play my part. So I went and spoke in Kemi Badenoch's constituency in Saffron Warden, where I did give a speech about massive mass immigration and I was told that I was I should downgrade my speech from from mass deportations to deportations

uh I was also asked to amend it in a diff in another way which I refuse to do. But I did downgrade. I took the mass deportations out. So I don't know whether this was the issue. I don't know what the reasons for this are. But I'm a man of logic, Dan, and I can't see any logic to the decision that the party made. And I don't in any way subscribe to unchristian behaviour in terms of making complaints three months after when you should have made it at the time. Darren, your response? We have to rely on whatever comes out from this independent member of the King's Council. Now, I know they've been hired by reform, but at the end of the day, an independent report can only be that. It can only give you the details

and then people are free to make up their own minds as to what has and hasn't happened, because we're receiving two very divergent opinions here, aren't we? So I think actually you need to see in the fullness of time what comes out of all of that. I mean, you mentioned Donald Trump there, Dan. Donald Trump has had more scraps with people than I've had hot dinners, you know, and he still managed to build a movement, a MAGA movement that in 2024 united to be an electoral force that America has never seen before and actually an incredibly diverse electoral force. Farage is winning over young people on the likes of TikTok. He's winning over certain groups as well who have never voted for right-wing parties

before and always voted for the Labour Party. Certainly in my neck of the woods, there are people who would never ever in a month of Sundays vote Conservative, but they're saying, I am going to give the Reform Party a go. And that's really exciting. I've been around in this game long enough now to know that this is a moment that you only get once in a lifetime. And I think we should seize that chance. I don't think we should squander it. You know, if the Republican Party had said, come on, Elon, you fund us, we'll go off,

we'll go with RFK and we'll set up a new party and we'll all go home and call it a day. Well, can you imagine what would have happened to the MAGA movement then? It would have been utterly destroyed. Are we willing to do that, Dan? Well, I don't think so. But what's been so interesting, of course, Darren, is it did take a long time for MAGA to sort of totally take over the Republicans, get rid of the rhinos. I think we held out hope, and I talk about we collectively, the outspoken family. I'm sure you're part of it, Darren. We held out hope that reform was going to lead our own MAGA movement. You can understand why seeing someone like Rupert Lowe thrown into the walls, chucked under the bus, shakes our confidence.

And I think it's OK for us to express that because we have to feel like we have the right people fighting for us. And yes, I totally agree with what you've said, with what Alison Pearson said, what most people say about Nigel Farage's electoral success. Absolutely, that is a key component. But another key component is the fact that we have people who are going to make sure that we do the tough things. And that does mean, let's talk about demography, let's talk about mass deportations. And I want to just go back to this FT article, Darren, because it's really interesting. Jeremy Hosking has weighed in. Now, for folk who haven't heard of Jeremy Hosking, he is one of the biggest funders of the right in the UK. He was a big backer in the past of the Brexit party, a little bit for reform in recent years, but he's also behind Lawrence Fox

and the Reclaim party. And he had spoken out to the FT saying that the split was very disappointing. And he said reform needs to be gathering serious-minded people to its colours, not thinning their ranks. And he added that Reclaim would surely be enhanced by recent developments. I would hope that discussions might take place between Lowe and Reclaim. So there's another splintering, Darren, on the right. Reclaim, of course, is the party led at the moment, at least, by Lawrence Fox. Yeah, I mean, again, you hear, listen to that. You can hear the cackle cackle from Kemi Badenock and cackle cackle from Sakhir Starmer. You know, you've got Chris Philp on X today tweeting like he is a member of reform by talking about deportations and all these other things. They had 14 sodden years to do it and they never did. So I just find all of this thing really, I wish it hadn't happened.

I really genuinely do. I follow Rupert. We follow each other on X. I've shared his content many times before. I've never met the man, but I'm sure if I did, I would find him pleasant to actually be around. Of that, I've no doubt. And I would agree with him on much. But I still don't think that this is worth destroying everything that has been built in record breaking time out with the bathwater, the baby out with the bathwater, because the idea of the Labour Party getting in with the Lib Dems in some ragtag

coalition in which we would be so far up Ursula von der Leyen's arse that we might as well call ourselves the EU's poodle. That's exactly what we would be. All these other things like votes at 16, we might as well have votes for dead people, although the Labour Party don't really like pensioners at the moment, so there'll be a few of those. All of these things, I think, would deny Britain the chance to actually save itself from being completely consumed by the self-indulgent liberal madness, leftism, that has consumed it over the last few decades. And until we do that and root out the Blairism that the Tories were the guardians of, then the country is lost, Dan. Utterly lost. I hope you can hear the sincerity in my voice there.

I understand people, but I am so terrified when I look around my nation. Newcastle is unrecognisable from what it was 10 years ago. I'll tell you that for free. And I'm sure everyone watching will say the same thing about their towns and cities too. Yes, and I mean, I'm just looking in our live chat, Darren, and there's such a big, I guess, disagreement between folk.

So, for example, wishes is here. Darren, he won't deport. So why vote for him? How do you save Britain if these people remain? Others are saying, no, no, no, no. Like proudly British is saying, Darren, you were talking big picture since.

We don't have the time to start again. Let's go with what we've got now. So there's a divide is what I'm saying. Yeah, Nigel has said he would deport. If you're here illegally, he has said you will be deported. Did you see Rupert Lowe say that he was told that he couldn't use the term mass deportations in his conference speech? So, yes. So what is the definition of mass deportations? You know, I have no idea what Rupert means by that. And I think that that's that is one area where the party does perhaps.

And Patrick O'Flynn has said this in his brilliant pieces online that actually the party maybe does need a better policy prospectus. And I would be all for that to actually try and get a coherent view on what we're what they're for and against. But I think it's quite clear that Nigel would deport illegal migrants. I don't think he's turned into some lily-livered liberal all of a sudden overnight. I've no idea what the backroom conversations have been and what the disagreements are internally. I'm not privy to those conversations,

but I hope that they're sorted out and resolved sooner rather than later because we could do like this, like a hole in the head. Yeah, no, I mean, that is the issue. Of course, he has said quite clearly, though, that he doesn't believe that mass deportations are necessary. Well, he doesn't believe they're practical. Or viable. It is what Nigel Farage said, or viable.

And of course, that is something that many of us strongly disagree with, Darren. Strongly disagree with. Yeah. You go, Darren. I do get that. And, you know, no one looks around more than I do and thinks, goodness gracious me, you know, do these people have a right to be here? And if they don't, we ought to deport them. But I think you'll strongly find that on so many of the cases that we're seeing hideously in the press and the ECHR rulings that seem to come out in a daily deluge.

So much so that I've started putting on a wig and calling myself the ECHR agony ant going through all of this madness. But I think Nigel is on the side of all of that. He wants to leave the ECHR to be able to deport these people. He's not leaving the ECHR just because he doesn't like European judges or whatever else that may be. He's doing it because it's in the national interest to do it. So I am confident that Nigel is on the side of the view that you've just expressed. Breaking right now, Darren Grimes is revealing the real reason he has left GB News, and it involves a shock move to reform UK.

Forget the civil war. Darren has signed up as their new star candidate. Darren, any doubts after seeing what happened to Rupert Lowe? Well, no doubts, but I did think, oh dear, what a time to- Your timing is impeccable as ever, Darren. Do you know, I set up my YouTube channel just before lockdown and then realised I had to do it all myself because lockdown had just started and that madness completely enveloped the whole country.

So my timing is always impeccable. But life throws these challenges at you and they're what makes you human. So look, I'm excited about it. And it's not as a member of parliament. So for all of those people saying that, you know, this explains why I'm so pro-reform. It's not about that at all. Look, I recognise that this unfrozen moment that we're going through right now, it ain't going to come about again, right? There is religious sectarianism on the rise in Britain. We will not be able to coalesce around united big majorities in Britain that is balkanised in the way in which I think will happen in this very country.

And reform in places like that which I'm from, which is where I hope to be standing. Ex-mining communities, pit villages, ex-pit villages, people that don't have a lot in life, but do have something. And that's oodles of love for their country and who we are as a nation. And it's people like that that I have always wanted to be on the side of from the bottom of my heart. And it would be an honour and a privilege to be able to represent them even at a local level. You know, people want to get in politics so often for the national stage and to be in parliament and all these other things. Well, no, I actually think that you start with the root and branch reform, better people's lives at the local level. And that's been totally destroyed by crime like you wouldn't believe.

Yobs and young hooligans and all these other things. I've known so many stories over the recent weeks of people throwing rocks at cars from bridges. And these aren't isolated instances that are actually happening throughout the country. And the police do nothing, Dad. No one will know that more than you, that the police don't do a damn thing when it comes to crime these days. So focusing on those issues on a local level as well is incredibly important. And I think you only really have the ability to challenge things correctly and rightly when you're not in a party that's got two different fronts. The Tory party has basically what I would call its Lib Dem side and then its actual Conservative side.

I think the right on the Conservative side are increasingly belittled and thinning out. And if Kemi Badenoch goes in hard and strong on the right, then the left, the Lib Dem lot, leave the party. So if you think Reform right now are facing their challenges, just you wait until Cammy Badenoch announces that it is their policy to leave the ECHR in order to try and win back some Reform votes. That party will split. Mark my words. So I'm excited. It's a challenge. It's an interesting time to be involved, Dan, for sure. But I'm excited to do it. Okay, so that explains why you're with Reform UK. But what we haven't discussed is why you've left GB News. And that's what lots of people want to know. Because of course, the channel, in my view, has changed beyond all recognition.

I don't think it supports free speech in the way that it claims it does. And Darren, you had quite a privilege in a way, actually, because I was speaking about this with Alex Phillips and Father Calvin Robinson. None of us got the opportunity to say goodbye on air. We were just out the door, never to return again. They treat people very, very brutally there. You had an opportunity to announce your departure live on air and you were very, very emotional about it.

So before we get into your reasons why, let's just have a watch of that moment. We've laughed at the absurdities of modern Britain and we've stood firm. Don't do it. Stop it. In the absurdities of modern Britain and a belief that common sense still matters

and it's been an honour. And I want to express my deep gratitude to this production team, the panel, and my colleagues, and above all, to you at home. Don't mean to read it. Come on, you can do it.

You can do this. The people that have tuned in, engaged, and made this journey totally worthwhile. I'm off to pursue personal projects, but the fight for free speech, for common sense and for truth, it goes on and it must. So thank you from the bottom of my heart for watching, for supporting and for standing up for values that matter. Bless you. Now, Darren, I was obviously talking to you as a friend throughout all of this process. So I know the answer to this have happened. So the honest truth is that the mission statement of GB News will forever be my mission statement in life

to serve these communities who have been forgotten and sidelined for far too long by a sneering, contemptible MSM, by the elite politicians that look down on people like my family and actually to try and fight for people like that. That mission statement is one that they still say exists today. But ultimately, I think the conditions there for me just weren't sustainable. You know, the parameters of of what you can and can't say under Ofcom rules, for example, travelling down to London every single week. And, you know, if the trains are off, Dan, you've got to stay there Friday to Monday.

It was messing up my entire life. I didn't really have a life. And I really put my all into that show. I loved that show. And I'm so sad to give it up. And I'm so entirely grateful to the people that tuned in every single week. But to be perfectly frank, and I say this without any malice and ill will, but the reality of legacy media, look no further than Dan Wooten outspoken. that what starts out as an insurgent channel, the corporate realities limit how far things go. And corporate realities, you can include Ofcom in that, the regulatory requirements. If you want to be able to say what needs to be said, and I've expressed this to you throughout this recording today, I don't think we as a nation have time for pussyfooting around things. We need to be able to say what needs to be said. So I decided that enough was enough. And it's either mad or brave or whatever else you want to call it. But I couldn't do it. There's not really a great deal of bitterness or anything there. There's just bigger ambitions. It's not a fallen out story. It's what Boris Johnson might have called levelling up, you know, going independent, unfiltered, straight to the people, no network constraints, no watered down opinions,

no having to double check everything you're saying because some off communist regulator who used to work for the Labour Party or whatever bloody else doesn't like what you've got to say for yourself. I just thought enough of it. So I'm going to take a massive risk. I might fall totally on my arse, Dan. I might be out without a penny. But it will have been my choice and it will have been me standing up for what I think is right and what I believe in. So I did it and it's done now. And that's that. And hopefully people can sympathise with the rationale. Well, I think you've done absolutely the right thing for a couple of reasons, actually. Firstly, the media ecosystem is changing so quickly, so significantly. And for very good

reason, people are no longer going to trust big legacy media owned by billionaires because there is lots of interference that goes on as an individual you are far less likely to be corrupted by an organization that is funded by some of the world's richest men and certainly i think one of the reasons that i was thrown under the bus was because I wouldn't just say, oh, no, I won't talk about this or I'll do this because you want me to, because that's never what I believe GB News was about. So I think you've absolutely done the right thing. The future of media is people like us being owned by our audience, because it means that we are only accountable to our audience we

are not accountable to billionaire overlords that's the first thing the second thing is the regulatory situation in this country with the off communists has been set up to strangle free sport thought to effectively shut off gb news or at least what GB News used to be. I think GB News, and they've been quite clear about this actually, wants to be part of the mainstream. They want to be winning the awards. They want to be at the table alongside Sly News and the British Bashing Corporation. Personally, I think that's a big mistake.

And then the third reason, why on earth should you have to travel down to London in order to broadcast? That is despicable for a channel that describes itself as the voice of the people outside London. I think that's really an irony. So I'm very excited to see what you're going to do on Darren Grimes Unleashed from the no-nonsense north, as you call it. Exactly. Real news from the no nonsense north that's what i'm hoping to actually give across to people and be owned entirely by then as you say no other interests but the the off-com point dan i've always found really interesting because it seems to me that

channel 4 news can get away with absolutely bloody murder but then if you want to establish a channel that perhaps speaks to certain pockets of the right, then they will come down on you like a ton of bloody bricks. And I've seen that clear as day over the last three or four years of my life whilst working at GB News. So it's one area I think broadcasting regulation in this country is absolutely absurd. It is a complete noose around anyone who dares to champion an opinion that goes against the grain of the polite classes. That's the truth of it. I know. And how dare Kathy Newman or Paul Brand, who just won the RTS, was the Royal Television Society Awards last week. How dare they for a single second try to tell us, Darren, that they are impartial broadcasters.

They're not. They're propagandists. We have proved that time and again. And in fact, you only have to look at the fake news agents lot, Emily Maitlis, John Sopel, and Lewis Goodall, who before they were unleashed in the left wing media, also used to claim that they were impartial broadcasters. Now we know that they are anything but. But I think my disappointment with GB News, Darren, is that they want to sit in the same room of those absolute cretins who all hate them. The GB News pays thousands and thousands of pounds to be part of the Royal Television Society, right? They will never win an award. They will never be nominated for an award.

These people hate you. They hate everything you're about. And the sooner you realise that and stop trying to be part of their gang, the better, although I think it's probably too late. And what you're going to do, Darren, actually, is much more exciting, much more honest, and you gave people just a little bit of a taste of it in your launch video. That's why we have to fight back. That's why we have to stand up. We haven't got time to be pussyfooting around, censored either by politicians or by the likes of regulators like Ofcom. That's why I'm going independent and it's why I need your support like never

before. I've known cancellation before, hell, I've been cancelled more times than certain iterations of the Sugar Babes. But I'm going independent in order. Well, I'm cancelling myself at this juncture. But that independence allows me to give you what you need to give this country what it needs, which, quite frankly, is a kick up the arse. Darren, what do you think is not being reported by the mainstream media? Well, I mean, to be perfectly honest with you, I think that there are so many stories. Where do I start on that point? I mean, the inability to access certain appointments and these kinds of issues, not being able to argue that that's down to immigration, right, is absolutely absurd to me. The idea that we're paving over Britain's green and pleasant land to build more houses and they say, oh, well, this is a good and laudable thing because actually we do need housing stock.

Well, yes, but why do we need housing stock? It's because of the mass importation of 900,000 people to this country yesterday. We ain't ever going to build enough houses to replace the stock if actually this continues happening. And the complete boot on the living standards, cramping down on them, is immeasurable for loads of people. You know, I consider my mother, who works in the public sector up here in the North East, and her living standards, they haven't improved. And she looks around at where she works and sees that actually it is beyond recognition. And I think the complete change of everything in this country, to be able to say, I look at my niece and I think I genuinely

couldn't look you in the eye as beautiful and I think a gift to the world that I think she is. I couldn't look her in the eye and tell her that she's going to have a better lot in life than we've known. I think it's going to be even worse if we don't do something now. But being able to say all of that, you're accused of being a swivel-eyed bigot and all these other things. You won't, as you say, get your awards from a elite TV conglomerate or whatever else it might be. And the reason for that is because they simply don't want to talk about it. They don't want to admit that the pet projects that they've championed and pushed and been propagandists for over all these decades has actually borne disaster for the entire nation. They won't ever admit that. go independent and say these things, challenge the consensus, is incredibly vital because the parameters of what you can and can't say. I used to be invited all the time, Dan, on LBC. I used to be invited all the time on Sly News. I used to be invited all the time. I started on the BB Bloody Sea. Can you believe that? Channel 4 News. I even used to do Channel 4 back at the very start. They wouldn't touch me

with a 10-foot barge pole now because of all the things that I have said throughout my career. So the safety of independence isn't retreating into an ideological bubble. It's actually the freedom to unleash the potential to be able to speak openly and frankly. And I relish that opportunity. I really, really do. Absolutely. And I really recommend that everyone signs up to Darren Grimes Unleashed, darrengrimes.com. I will also say that it is shocking how the mainstream media chooses to cover things often shows where they're at. And in regards to my exclusive interview with Rupert Lowe, which was a big deal. First time he had spoken, we went through every allegation for over an hour.

I will just say shame on those legacy media organizations who did not cover it and GB News was one of those organizations and I think that's shameful when GB News does something worthy or good I will of course cover it and them just trying to pretend that people like me don't exist in the media independent media ecosystem is deranged. Deranged. But they're threatened and they're probably threatened for very good reasons. So this has been a great move for you, Darren, and I wish you a lot of luck. But how did Darren Grimes get here? How did Darren Grimes go from lefty teenager to one of the most hated men on the left. His extraordinary journey revealed in just one minute. But first, this episode of Outspoken is brought to you by Manscaped, the global leader

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brand, Darren Grimes Unleashed. And Darren Grimes joins me now, and we're going to talk about his extraordinary political journey but darren just before we do i want to show you the clip that everyone on the left always talks about when they're saying oh darren you don't really believe these things you say you're just you're just a grifter now of course i'm friends with you i know that's not the case but this is the clip and and i think it's worth seeing actually because it does show just quite how far you've come on so many levels darren so let's have a watch of this it's disgusting it's wrong and the government is not acting fast enough on adopting sex and

relationship education to teach kids about homosexuality about transsexuality we should be taught from a young age that these are normal things. These people are normal people within our society that you are going to meet. From my own personal experiences, I know that if people had been told and been made more tolerant towards homosexuality, that perhaps I wouldn't have had when you are years and years of homophobic bullying from quite an early age why should children feel like they don't wish to go to school education is such a vital thing we all know that why is more not being done so Darren your political journey is almost as extraordinary as that of Liz Truss from Lib Dem to Conservative Prime Minister.

So what was going on in that clip? And what's your response to all of those lefties who try to use it like this horrible milk tile guy who says this was Darren Grimes before he jumped on the grift train? Well, he is a horrible, horrible element on the obnoxious element on the internet. But look, what I would say to that is at that time in my life, you know, young, and I thought that my politics were the complete opposite of my mother's politics. Now, my mother is somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun, as much as I love her, she just is. And now it turns out that I recognise I agree with her an awful lot in life. But at that time, you know, when I wasn't that long out of school, years, you know, were countable on one hand.

And I did have a really, really quite horrible time at school. I had a stepfather as well who wasn't exactly the best, shall we say. And my father left when I was about three. I think all of these instances, these experiences shaped me into being quite resilient against it being a problem for being gay, for example. So I thought that that meant that I was a liberal, right? And that I had to take all these stances of liberalism. But now I realise that actually the identity politics soup and hellhole isn't actually any good for gay people as it isn't for straight people. It's a horrible quagmire that we need to dig ourselves out of as soon as humanly possible.

So yes, I have been on a journey. I would fully accept that. But I dare you to find anyone who does media in their very, very early, I had just turned, what, 20 at that point, and find me anyone who hasn't changed their opinion since they were 28 year old. You know, I think you'll find that many people do. So I'm not ashamed of that, but I guess you're right. It is a bit Liz Trussie because she was a Lib Dem as well. It's interesting, Darren. I often say I'm really glad that I didn't enter the political arena,

I guess you would describe it, until I was in my 30s because of course there's the famous phrase that is always accredited to winston churchill apparently it wasn't churchill who said it but you know it's like you're uh you're you're you're stupid if in your older years you don't realize that conservatism is the way forward. So what was it that at such a young age, and as a young gay man, took you on this path where you actually became one of the biggest public proponents of Brexit? Yes, it's quite simple, really, that there has only been one issue that totally united my entire family you know it gave us it I I saw people closest to me in life feel that they had an opportunity at the ballot box that would actually bring about genuine change that being Brexit and they looked

upon that genuine change as their golden opportunity to be listened to by a political class and establishment that for far too long has taken their votes for granted. You could put a red rosette on a donkey's bum back up in the northeast in County Durham and expect it to be duly elected. Well, actually, I think Brexit showed that they wouldn't be taken for granted anymore. And my grandfather, you know, was incredibly proud to have voted for Brexit. And in his last vote in his life, he served in the Durham Light Infantry and had been a miner before that. And he was a labour man all his life until his last, very last vote. and he voted for the Conservative Party. Now, you know, you can argue, fat lot of good that did, Grandad, but he was, imagine how big of a step that is for someone like him to have done that. The change and the journey that we've all been on as a nation is profound and on a scale of which we couldn't countenance

only a decade or so ago. So it's a fight that's bigger than any single election. It's a transformation of the electoral landscape and a journey that we've all been on. And I am so proud to be able to, in some small way, speak for people like my family who feel that they haven't been listened to, have been ignored, have been silenced and cancelled and all these other things. And it makes my heart sing to be able to do that, especially for people like her. I mean, my Nana that was on that picture there, that was Dee Dee. And she is such, you would love her, Dan, honestly. She is the pride of Britain.

She is superb. I'm so jealous you still have your grandma. People like that. Oh, yeah, she's 91, actually, and she's still going strong. And for people like that, you know, I think Labour took them for granted in a way in which you can't imagine. Let's not forget Tony Blair's constituency was in the northeast of England, in County Durham. And they were ignored and taken for granted and sidelined. And there is such an unfrozen moment of excitement in that region that I am absolutely delighted to be playing a small part in it, hopefully.

And I can't wait to get started for people like that, those that you're seeing on screen. That's why I do this. That's the journey I've been on. Look at you there, Darren. Oh, yeah. Goodness me. I think I was 18 there.

In your little woke-topian days. But, Darren, your support of Brexit saw you end up in court. What happened? 20s was completely swallowed up by a court case and a proceeding through the court, through the regulator called the Electoral Commission and by the Metropolitan Police. Now, the Electoral Commission, I was given a donation by Vote Leave, then the campaign group that was given the right to be the designated campaign in that EU referendum. And they had reached the end of their funding and they said, right, we're going to look for good campaigns out there. And I had set up a youth campaign called Believe, which was campaigning on a more liberal minded vote to try and win over younger people.

Now, I think actually I ran quite a successful campaign. Now, I was delighted, obviously, when Vote Leave said this, but they handed over a donation that was over £600,000. I'd like to just say to viewers, not if it went into my bank balance, but it all went on to digital advertising. Now, after the event, after all the accounts had been verified and all the rest of it, gone into the Electoral Commission, they investigated not once, not twice, but three times. First occasion, they looked into all of the accounts. They said, there's nothing more to see here. Move on. Second occasion, they looked into the accounts. There's nothing more to see here. Emails back and forth. Move on. Third occasion,

Julian Maugham Casey, an absolute wazzock of a man, he judicially reviewed the decision in the second decision by the Electoral Commission to take no further action. And as soon as that judicial review happened, millions of these Ramonas who couldn't get over the fact that some chippy little northerner had dared to get involved, they thought he's an easy target. We'll go after him. Well, little did they know that we're made of stronger stock up here. And I said to hell with that. I'm not going to be bullied by some man that lives in a sodding posh windmill, which he actually does. You can look it up online. And this judicial activist put my life through absolute hell.

And it was all because he hated Brexit. But through crowdfunding from people that don't have a lot in life, but saw what was happening to this kid in relative terms. They supported me. And how old were you?

I crowned fund. I was at that time, I would have been, oh, goodness gracious me. I mean, in 2016. Yeah, I would have been. Yeah, it definitely would have been. But by the time it got to 2019. That's an awful thing to do to a kid. It was. The court case, you know, I found out on the court case

the day before my birthday, and actually people like Suzanne Evans were there. And it was so wonderful. I'll never, ever forget that birthday because it felt, Dan, like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders to win that court case and be able to celebrate with people that I love who had attended the courtroom and been there and heard all the drama and tribulations.

But it was like it was unceasing, unrelenting. And I can't believe that I would ever want to admit to having done that to someone. And I've never, ever received an apology. The Electoral Commission did put out saying they should apologise to Darren Grimes, the new chairman of the Electoral Commission, but I never received one personally. And actually, if I had my way, they'd all have been sacked, because clearly they were captured and made the provisional wing of the Remain movement. And I was just a little ant under their very large, well-funded boot. But I won at the end of the day, Dan, so it's a real Darren versus Goliath story. I love that. Darren, you are, I mean, this is something Meghan Markle claims, right, but you are truly one of the most trolled people in the country. The left have some sort of deranged hatred of you.

It goes, it crosses every line. Every sense of common decency is chucked out the window. It is truly, truly brutal, both in terms of the lies they spread about you, the personal vindictiveness, the nastiness. How do you cope with that? Quite simply, your opinion of me is none of my damn business. You know, I've had this for a very long time. But, you know, going back to I don't want wish to make myself sound like a victim, because I certainly don't feel like one. But throughout school... Well, no, you never moan about it. That's the thing. You never do moan about it.

I'm raising it. You're not raising it. I, you know, throughout school had a pretty hard time. You know, I was always the puff and the faggot on the school playground. My stepfather wasn't the, I didn't have the nicest relationship with him. He's gone now. He died of alcoholism. My father obviously left when I was quite young as well. And I went through all the Brexit tribulations too. So at every juncture in my life, Dan,

I have always come out of it and been stronger and better off as a consequence. So I'm not going to let some sad anonymous troll on the internet make me feel shit about my life and what I've managed to do in life when actually I've achieved and done a hell of a lot more than they ever will. You know, some middle class liberal on the internet that doesn't quite like my politics or my family, or whatever else it might be, well, move on, get back to your Cath Kidston set in your

kitchen, because I don't give a damn what it is that you've got to say about me. And, you know, that's ultimately where I'm at in life. It's none of my opinion. And I love this post, Darren, where you said, I see the mindless hashtag FBPE trolls in my mentions have a new book out. And the book is everything that I don't like is literally fascism. Yeah, that's their modus operandi. It really, really is.

They are so, so small-minded, narrow-minded, and they accuse us of being the bigots and all the rest of it. You know who sends me the most homophobic abuse, the most anti-Northerner abuse, you're calling me, in the most sneering, elitist, contemptible way imaginable? It always comes from the so-called be-kind liberal left. abuse, the economy, in the most sneering, elitist, contemptible way imaginable, it always comes from the so-called be kind liberal left. And that just tells you or ought to be instructive about how far the left has moved from being the party of the people to the party of a certain amount of people

with money and houses probably in London or the parts around London, nice shires and all the rest of it. They ain't what they used to be, and they show themselves every single day for what they are. So Sodom, Dan, Sodom. Nope, that is the right attitude. It is incredibly brave, and I love the fact that you don't buy into that victim mentality at all.

Now, of course, Darren Grimes Unleashed is the new project, completely independent. No, well, what? Real news. Real news and independent media from the no-nonsense north. I love it. Please support Darren by signing up at DarrenGrimes.com. And I'm hoping that you'll be back here on Outspoken regularly now, Darren.

I'd love to be, Dan. You've done such a superb job with it. Honestly, thank you. And many, many congratulations on 300,000 subscribers. Thank you so much, Darren. Thank you so much. Brilliant to have you back because, of course, Darren was one of my first ever guests, actually, on my former GB News show. And I'm pretty sure you used to appear on my talk radio show as well.

So very, very excited. Yes, it was. We had grime time, didn't we? Grime time on talk radio. But very, very excited to have you part of this new venture because, of course, up until this point, your, I guess connection to gb news didn't make that possible so it is so brilliant to have you here and to uh get your take on all of this madness in the reform party darren grimes thank you so much of darren grimes unleashed now union jackass greatest britain time actually before we do that let me get to your comments because uh they have been coming in thick and fast on the reform uk situation and if you did miss the rupert low

interview i'm going to preview that in just a moment too but let me get to some of your comments over this uh dr wolf wrote nigel farage chose the one day of the year to categorically confirm it is the truth the 29th of february what a clown now that is obviously in response to the fact that farage said the fact is he found out this on the 29th of february issue is it wasn't a leap year this year so it was actually the 28th of february rusty writes stabbing your fellow party members in the back is not acceptable. Clearly, this is because they didn't like the people favoured more what Lowe was saying in interviews. Shouting Horse says, reforms policy on migration is one in, one out. That's not the answer. Farage won't deport, so he'll never get my vote.

And Rebecca Hicks said, Darren, you are incorrect. Farage is an egotist and wouldn't even support Tommy, in reference to Tommy Robinson, showed his true colors by throwing Tommy under the bus, as did Tice for calling us that lot. Interesting comments, very interesting comments. And as I say, I will show you the preview of that Rupert Lowe interview in case you missed it in just one moment. But first, Union jackass, greatest Britain time, the nominees for Union jackass, Meghan Markle from Just Margaret won because of the Meghan Markle Mountbatten Windsor fraud. Mark Carney, the new Canadian Prime Minister, nominated by Annette What Mow You Won, and that is for his bad French being elected by the Liberal Party as the Canadian PM. She says that's undemocratic.

And David Lammy, nominated by Ted Hodgson for being our worst ever foreign secretary, being himself and ignoring the murder of Christians in Syria, with heaven giving the murderers millions. And the results are in. And with, oh my goodness, it's our first tie. It's our first tie. Ha! A joint second place between Mark Carney and Meghan Markle with 16% of the vote.

Oh, actually, I've just been told it's just been changed. We've just changed it. So Mark Carney is in third place and Meghan Markle in second place with 17% of the vote. She's just snuck ahead. But the winner, overwhelmingly, today's Union jackass is David Lammy. There you go. And a special Greatest Britain Today to someone who is actually a big part of my life in every possible way.

And I had to do this secretly, actually. I couldn't tell him about this because he is my partner, Alan, and he is now a staff member here, or he works with us, a partner, I guess you'd say, here on Outspoken as well and it's his birthday today and so he usually is putting together the greatest Britain's union jackass pictures but today uh he couldn't do that and so I surprised him and the terrible thing is he usually puts the photos together and so he thought the uni jacks goes for himself and took myself today and i lost the picture but there we go there we have it this was us in scotland celebrating my birthday last weekend so my greatest britain is my great love and a big part of the outspoken family alan thank you so much alan now thecancelled After Show is coming up in just one moment.

But first, in case you missed our exclusive Rupert Lowe interview, which the mainstream media, or at least parts of the mainstream media, like GB News, have tried to ignore, here is the special preview. Rupert Lowe responds for the first time to Nigel Farage in the Sunday Telegraph hinting at that dementia claim. It's complete rubbish. I'm going to bring back common sense government. The police complaint made by your chairman, Zia Yousaf. He sent a power email basically trying to undermine my position in Norfolk. The party had just slit its own throat.

I didn't say that to Zia, by the way. The attempt is to blacken a reputation which is completely clean. The endorsement that you received from Elon Musk, he didn't think Nigel Farage had what it takes. Is it because Nigel thought I was getting too powerful? We've got to deal with people who are living in this country illegally. We're basically allowing the fabric of Britain to be damaged. Perhaps he wants to be Prime Minister. Most people in politics don't. We've got a charade in Parliament going on. 23 permanent secretaries are doing whatever they want.

Maybe the state is coming after me. I don't think that the ministers are holding the civil service to account. I've been told there are at least 5,000 who have actually quit Reform UK as a result of this decision. Where to now? So it is a really important interview. Every question tackled. Every question answered. Very honestly, no gotcha stuff. So if you did miss

our exclusive with Rupert Lowe yesterday, the only interview he has done about all of the allegations, just head to our YouTube channel and you will find it there. But we move to Substack now for the uncancelled after show with Angela Levin, our royal mastermind. She's on today where the Megan's Netflix witch hunt makes any sense. Plus, she's revealing why Megan has just ripped off Martha Stewart. Meanwhile, Catherine, the Princess of Wales is shining for the world on Commonwealth Day. So we'll discuss it all with Angela Levin over on Substack. www.outspoken.live is the address. Back tomorrow, 5pm UK time, I believe 1pm Eastern at the moment, 10am Pacific while we have

the difference in daylight saving time. Hit subscribe if you're watching right now on YouTube or Rumble. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you. Hope to see you on the after show on Substack in just one moment.