Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE VOWS DEATH OF UNIPARTY AS KATIE HOPKINS & RUPERT LOWE CLASH OVER REFORM

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

SHEATH UNDERWEAR - Get 20% off with the code OUTSPOKEN at checkout https://sheath.com Across much of England - apart the areas where there was an anti-democratic halt on elections - its voting day. ... And while your faith in the system has been shattered, for the moment our hope remains at the ballot box. Indeed, Nigel Farage has declared today the end of the uniparty in Britain forever. Can we dare to dream? And it’s that reason why Katie Hopkins delivered this message to Outspoken viewers: Hold your nose and vote for Farage. Then next week the real fight for the right begins. Well analyse it all with my Superstar Panel. They’re back: Based and Bougue and Sophie Corcoran. PLUS: Is the UK ready for a sensible and considered debate on why Enoch Powell was right? Douglas Murray certainly thinks so. Well show you why. AND: Victory for pedestrians and drivers as cycling extremist Jeremy Vine quits posting his two wheeled vehicles. We’ll analyse his Partridge-like annnoufement. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince William finally snaps. I’ll reveal his bombshell vow to punish Meghan Markle for using her HRH title with royal YouTube sensation P-Dina. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:48 And while I understand why your faith in the system has been shattered over the past few years, you could say the past few decades, for the moment, at least, our hope remains at the ballot box. Indeed, Nigel Farage has today declared the end of the uni party in Britain forever. Can we dare to dream? Tomorrow is the day that two-party politics that has dominated this country since the end of the Great War,
Starting point is 00:01:22 tomorrow is the day that two-party politics in England dies for good. Thank you. And that is the reason why Katie Hopkins delivered this message to outspoken viewers, hold your nose and vote for reform. Hold your nose. Yeah. Know that all these things we just discussed are true. And at the same time.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Then next week, the real fight for the right begins. So we're going to analyse it all on what is a big day for democracy with my superstar panel. They are back, Based and Bougie and Sophie Cacoran. Also coming up on the show today, is the UK ready for a sensible and considered debate on why Enoch Powell was right? Douglas Murray certainly thinks so, and we're going to show you why. Victory for pedestrians and drivers as cycling extremist Jeremy Vine quits posting his two weird world vehicles online. We're going to analyse what was a Partridge-like announcement. And J.K. Rowling will be regretting going woke as her race swap Snape in the new Harry Potter TV series joins a campaign against her for believing
Starting point is 00:02:47 in women. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, big royal news today, Prince William has finally snapped. I'll reveal his bombshell vow to punish Meghan Markle for using her HRH title with royal YouTube sensation P. Diner, you can sign up to watch right now www.outspoken.live. Register completely for free to join the Outspoken Revolution. And by the way, you want to be here tomorrow, we're going to have the best coverage of the election results. You will not get in the mainstream media with a fabulous superstar panel father calvin robinson alex phillips conor tomlinson howard cox they are all here so it's the election results show without the msm bull okay we're also going to do greatest britain union jackass as ever today though though. You choose the nominees and
Starting point is 00:03:45 the winners, and you can vote right now for Union Jackass in the YouTube live chat. Here are your nominations today. Ross Kemp, nominated by Karen Hankey for his cringe video with Slippery Starmer campaigning for the local elections and advising the PM on what working class people think. He's no Ant Middleton, Karen says, and I agree. And Aswa, the Labour Party leader in Scotland, nominated by Darren Donaldson for blatant sectarianism and being anti-white. That is, of course, in a speech where he urged Pakistanis to take power. And Max Wilkinson, the Liberal Democrat MP, also nominated by Karen for his awful heckling of Nigel Farage in Parliament yesterday. Maybe you can pay for it then,
Starting point is 00:04:34 you stupid bleep. So there are your three options. And of course, after we choose today's union jackass, all four from across the week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, will go head to head to be named the worst Britain in the world this week. So get voting and I will bring you those results at the end of the show. But now, let's go. can we finally dare to dream is the uni party really about to be smashed against all odds given our first pass the post system which is designed to protect the establishment keep the deep state in force and should we even maintain any damn faith in our system? In the ballot box, given our hopes and our desires have been ignored by whichever side of the uni party is in power for 60 years now, 60 years, especially on immigration, And the country is not recognisable and we are not safe as a result.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Well, Nigel Farage believes now is the moment. And the vehicle is his ego-driven company, Reform UK, which he claims is not on the right nor the left. Tomorrow is the day that two-party politics that has dominated this country since the end of the Great War, tomorrow is the day that two-party politics in England dies for good. But you know, I cover both sides of this debate here. I am an independent journalist. I'm not a shill for any party. I just want what's best for the country.
Starting point is 00:06:33 So Nigel's arch rival and the new flag bearer for the real right, Rupert Lowe, has a different view. The former Reform UK MP has written on X, this election is about your local community, not grandstanding, not slogans, not empty noise, not ego, not protest. Vote for someone who has presented a credible, practical path for your area, not meaningless rhetoric, not vague promises,
Starting point is 00:07:00 real policies, clear and precise ideas with costed solutions. If someone boldly states that they alone can fix your council, ask one question. How? It's your community, your home. Having seen the staggering lack of policy presented, I wondered how much value national parties actually provide at this level. The more local politics and local politicians are detached from the political scene, the better, I say. Voting one way or another won't stop the boats or cut immigration, nor will it eject Labour from power. My advice? Focus carefully on the candidate who understands the real issues that matter to your community and actually has a credible plan to do something about them. However, Rupert's position prompted a messy social media row, part of the civil war on the
Starting point is 00:07:45 right. This time between Rupert and the Farage ally Lois Perry, who claimed Rupert is now working for the Tories. So this is what she wrote on it. It's quite clear who Rupert Lowe really works for. They really think we're stupid, don't they? Our only hope is Nigel Farage. Rupert replied, if you're insinuating that I'm being paid by the Conservative Party, that is a bold claim to publicly make. Certainly today is Farage's moment though, and he knows it. If you vote reform, you will get reform. There's no more splitting of the vote. 40 percent, 40 percent of the dwindling number that still voted Conservative at the last election didn't vote for us because they didn't
Starting point is 00:08:46 think we could win. They thought we'd split the vote. After tomorrow, when we're bigger than the Conservative Party and the world can see it, it'll be them that splits our vote. Vote reform, get reform. That is the message tomorrow out on the doorsteps, in the streets, in the pub gardens, and I believe that'll be the message for the next four years in the run-up to the next general election. British politics is about to change in a way that nobody understands and nobody can see, but I feel it deep within my heart, and I sense that you feel it deep within your heart too. Let's make history and change our country forever and for good. And of course, most attention is on Runcorn and Halsby.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And if you were in Runcorn and Halsby, why the hell would you vote for this woman, Karen Shaw, to replace a man who was disgraced for physically assaulting one of his constituents? Over the weekend, we saw that the government had announced the closing down of the asylum hotel locally. Do you think there's recognition that reform are snapping at your heels in the local area? I think, and I've said this before, that closing down the asylum hotels was something that was in the manifesto last year at the general election. It's just not something that is much talked about and that for me is is not coming from a place of prejudice or
Starting point is 00:10:10 discrimination quite the opposite it's coming from a place of human decency that they are not nice places to put asylum seekers to live because they can't cook they can't clean they're on top of each other in their living etc it's just not a nice place to be held. And the fact that they're held for so long because the processing has been so slow. Why would you vote for her? Seriously, you would have to be mad. In his final rally of the election campaign, Nigel admitted his new great replacement theory applies to taking over the Conservative Party. In theory, they're opposed by a Conservative Party that is split down the middle. And frankly, I couldn't tell you what purpose it serves.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Tomorrow is the day when we replace a party that's been around since 1832, but is now past its sell-by date. Tomorrow is the day we replace the Conservatives as the main opposition to a poor, weak, hopeless, failing government. Tomorrow is a big day in our nation's democratic history and future. And he hammered that point during his last campaign interview with his employer, GB News. Arrangements with Conservatives in
Starting point is 00:11:25 councils be a model for maybe cooperation and post-general elections. Absolutely not. Coalition with the Tories or the Tories won't exist for the time of the next election. I mean, what you're going to see, what you're going to see from the 2021 vote is a lot of old Conservative voters come to us and a chunk go to the Lib Dems as well. I honestly, I know they've been here since 1832, I don't believe there'll be an electoral force at the next election. And while he's right that our disillusionment with the Tory party after 14 years of failure remains extreme,
Starting point is 00:11:58 I mean, it's hard to see how we could ever tick that box again, right? The fight for the right in the United Kingdom, it's not over. Indeed, on Monday, it will begin again in earnest because is there any point of Reform UK if that party, the Teals, is simply going to be a centrist repeat of the Conservatives? But for the moment, Katie Hopkins has declared it's a case of hold your nose and vote for Reform UK. But I think we have to be very clear, and I made a little, this was straight off the top of my head, 10 seconds worth. I don't like Nigel because he screwed UKIP, vote Reform. I don't like Nigel because he's a snake. It's true. I don't like Nigel because he screwed UKIP vote reform.
Starting point is 00:12:45 I don't like Nigel because he's a snake. It's true. I don't like Nigel because he sold out the Brexit party. He did. Candidates didn't even know they were going to be screwed at the same time they were being screwed. I don't like Nigel because he treated Rupert Lowe horribly. He absolutely did, briefing the newspapers that Rupert had dementia. I don't like him because he's a maniac. He is. I've met him in person and he has terrible teeth. He will not acknowledge Tommy Robinson. He will not. That's despicable. Tommy's being tortured. He flip-flops. He has Muhammad Youssef as his banker. Yes, he does. That should never have happened. It goes on. This was off the
Starting point is 00:13:21 top of my head. All the reasons that people will say I can't vote reform. And I agree with every single one of them. But this is not a church. This is a casino. Voting is entering the casino and you have to game the house. You have to game the system, right? Well done production team. Yes, that's a photo of Tommy. And at this point, we have to game together, right? And the way we game this best is by doing what you've been advising, I believe, which is hold your nose. Know that all these things we just discussed are true. And at the same time, vote reform. Now, let me bring in today's elections superstar panel and i am delighted to have the conservative commentator sophie kakoran and the conservative youtube sensation based and bougie back with me today soph Sophie, this is an interesting one for you because, of course,
Starting point is 00:14:26 you were a proud Conservative, maybe not so proud in recent years, but you remained a member of the Conservative Party up until the general election, defected to Reform UK, then were a little bit disillusioned, I think it's fair to say, given all of that terrible sort of lawfare around Rupert Lowe and the reporting to the police and all of that so where do you stand this election day? I think this is the first ever election I haven't campaigned in and I'm talking I've campaigned in every election since I was 14 years old and when I say campaign I mean quite literally from 6am to 10am I'm a little bit jealous of your panel tomorrow because it is no secret that I'm a massive election nerd
Starting point is 00:15:10 but I think this is going to be the most interesting local election I think I've ever seen there's lots of results that I can't call but I think what's so interesting about this is a lot of people are framing this as reforms night this is going to be a big win for reform um in many senses i hope it is i of course hope that they win in cambridgeshire definitely um but the big challenge is is that winning elections obviously doesn't mean it's necessarily over and this is potentially going to be one of reform's greatest victories i mean it's important to keep in mind actually that there's been a lot of hype in the media we've had you know hundreds of by-elections since the general election and reform have won a few but they haven't necessarily won as many as perhaps the media are talking them off about the conservatives have actually quietly been winning
Starting point is 00:16:00 quite a lot of them um so and obviously labour are getting hammered which is no surprise um but one of the things i think is important to keep in mind is that there is a potential tonight for reform to win certain councils i think for our viewers you want to potentially keep your eye on doncaster is one that i know reform hq expect themselves to win they expected to win in thorough for that election was cancelled as well there is an expectation that they'll take county durham tonight which of course is i believe where darren grimes is standing so Expected to win in Thorough for that election was cancelled as well. There is an expectation that they'll take County Durham tonight, which of course is, I believe, where Darren Grimes is standing. So good luck to him.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Come on, Darren. And there is many other, there's other ones. Obviously, Cambridge is going to be tight, but I don't necessarily think they'll do great there, just because it's quite a lift any place. Lincolnshire, again, is going to be another one. So this is the first time actually that we're going to see reform in a position of power. They've had their entire party of being a party of opposition do they have what
Starting point is 00:16:50 it takes to lead because for what i'm seeing quite now is yes they may win these councils but who's going to lead those councils who's going to be on their cabinet positions what are their policies going to be like are they going to sink or are they going to swim in leadership and i tell you something if they sink it is bad news for reform because they're dead before they've even started at the next election it's going to be a big challenge for them because we haven't necessarily thought about reform we've thought about them doing well we haven't actually ever really thought about them in a frame of leading a council can they lead a council they don't uh navigate their local election policies on local issues.
Starting point is 00:17:25 We've seen all of their campaigns and national campaigns. So if they do win these councils, what are they going to do with it? Well, indeed. And what's interesting, too, is you've got totally different types of experience. I mean, I fully back Dame Andrea Jenkins in Lincolnshire. I think she would be an absolute will hopefully be an absolutely brilliant mayor. And she has the experience to take on that role. Luke Campbell, who seems like a really great guy, is obviously an Olympic boxer who has no experience in politics. So it is going to be very, very interesting. Based in Bougie, are you in the Katie Hopkins camp or the Rupert Lowe camp I am a Rupert Lowe stan I'm definitely
Starting point is 00:18:11 Rupert Lowe stan this is the thing when it comes to Nigel Farage I really like him as a character I think he's a very charismatic man he's very entertaining at times and yeah he seems like he has a great personality but has anyone ever noticed that Nigel Farage has never really given us a plan like he's never given us a detailed plan about how he plans to reform this country I mean we keep getting these Martin Luther King I have a dream reform is coming in my heart I believe change is coming and you should vote for reform if you want to see reform but in terms of a detailed plan I'm yet to receive one for instance I sat down with Nick Tenconi a couple months ago and he gave me a detailed plan about how he plans
Starting point is 00:18:51 to you know mass support he even went into detail about where he plans to find these people in barber shops in corner shops he even talked about how he plans to give rewards to people who can find illegal immigrants. Nigel Farage on on the other hand, he decided to, you know, go against Rupert Lowe because Rupert Lowe said that he has plans to mass deport. And then he decided to say that the term mass deportation is a very grave and dark and dangerous language. But wasn't that his brand for the last, like, what, five years? Mass deportation, mass migration is a problem. And now he's saying we need to prioritize the muslim vote mass migration is is a great word i'm not the populist we don't have a real plan so as
Starting point is 00:19:31 much as i appreciate niger faraj for his character and as much as i appreciate how he's been able to unite uk patriots the way we've never seen before i really want people to ask themselves what is niger faraj's plan because we have yet to one. It's like going into a surgery room and the surgeon is telling you, I'm going to give you the best surgery, but he's not telling you what the surgery actually is. And like Rupert Lowe said in that tweet, you know, the same way your body is your home, your country is also your home. So before you vote, I just encourage people to just think to yourself, what is the actual plan that Nigel Farage is planning to give the UK to reform this country? Another really interesting thing that involves Rupert Lowe is this suggestion, and it is now growing, the drumbeat is growing, that Nigel Farage and Donald Trump have had some sort of falling out.
Starting point is 00:20:25 A lot of people think this is as a result of Elon Musk coming out quite publicly and saying that Farage doesn't have what it takes to be prime minister. That's when he endorsed Rupert Lowe and all hell broke loose. Christopher Hope, the political editor of GB News, did ask Nigel Farage about this in his final campaign interview last night. And I think the answer from Farage was very telling because it's clear that he now feels deeply uncomfortable speaking about Donald Trump. Something has happened behind the scenes. Watch this.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Donald Trump, have you sent him a congratulatory note about his 100 days? No, I haven't. You haven't been in touch at all since he... I said before, you've got a British government involved in trade negotiations. If I'm seen to be interfering from the sidelines, that would look terrible. I sense, are you disengaging from Trump a bit? Is it that you've seen the support, the popularity of Mark Carney when he defined himself against Trump.
Starting point is 00:21:26 And, of course, he's a bête noire for you in terms of politics. Is there ground to be gained now for reform and for you for disengaging with where Trump is? Quite why Trump's come out with his 51st State of America stuff with Canada, I have no idea. I've always said that our interests with Trump are similar, but not symmetrical. And I still believe this is a pro-British American president who wants to do a full trade deal with us,
Starting point is 00:21:51 but I worry that Starmer's reset with the EU is going to make that impossible. That's coming up next month. So are you disengaging from Trump? No, I'm not disengaging. I'm not disengaging, but I cannot be seen to interfere. If the Labour Party ring me up and say, go and see him and try and help with the trade deal, I go and do it. But if I interfere now, I'll be called all the names under the sun. Sorry, I just don't buy it. I don't buy it. Something is going on between Trump and Farage and Katie Hopkins broke news on this earlier in the week on Outspoken. Let's watch. Elon is very clear that Tommy Robinson is being persecuted, is a political prisoner, should be freed, and has made that very clear within the Trump top team. I've heard it said
Starting point is 00:22:35 from very close allies to President Trump. And as a result, he was able to let Trump know that Farage isn't the guy that Farage had been selling in to Trump. It was very, very embarrassing for Nigel Farage to be called out like that by Elon. It was very embarrassing for the mask to slip. And from that moment onwards, Farage wanted revenge. I mean, this is Roman level stuff. This is the Caesars stabbing each other. Wow. So based on Bougie, you are obviously a big Tommy Robinson supporter. Quite extraordinary that the fact that Farage would not get behind Tommy Robinson may have caused some type of fracture in this friendship, which has gone on for many years now ever since brexit between
Starting point is 00:23:25 donald trump and nigel farage well if donald trump has distanced himself from nigel farage that is a good thing in my opinion because at the end of the day donald trump he is somebody that stands for western values western values being democracy freedom of speech and what has happened to tommy robinson is literally a symbol of just how much our western values have broken down here in the UK so if Donald Trump was to now go and back Nigel Farage and and back his um the reform party that will completely go against his morals and his values so and not only that Elon Musk has definitely sorry Elon Musk has had a huge influence in um Donald Trump and his um, just Donald Trump in general.
Starting point is 00:24:07 So I wouldn't be surprised. And if he has decided to distance himself from Nigel, that would be a good thing. And this is why I absolutely love Donald Trump, because he stands on business. He does not play around. When he means something, he says it. If he says something, he means it. And I believe it would be a good thing. And I think this would also be an opportunity for Nigel Farage to just look in the mirror, honestly. And he never turned on the January 6th political prisoners, for example. So there are a lot of parallels there between the treatment of Tommy Robinson.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Sophie Cacoran, we've obviously known Nigel Farage, followed Nigel Farage for a very long time. Don't you agree with me that there was something in his body language there with Christopher Hope? Something has happened behind the scenes between Trump and Farage, hasn't it? Yeah, he did look quite noticeably uncomfortable in his answer to that question. And he's a very clever man. He's obviously not going to want to say, say yes me and trump have had a falling out um i guess you know there is a perspective of that he has in in some respects some may argue that he's traded off his relationship with trump quite a lot in his political career especially in the last decade or so it has definitely pushed his career forward to no end um but again if you
Starting point is 00:25:22 look at what happened in canada a good relationship with trump isn't always a guarantee for an electoral success and i think that that potentially could also be the case in britain i think maybe farage is also a little bit wary of that because obviously pierre was polling extremely well and he ended up losing his own seat because of trump coming in and kind of messing with with that so, you know, Farage, like we said, is trying to almost replace the Conservative Party. He would present himself in a very similar way to Pierre, how Pierre would have done. And obviously that necessarily didn't work too well for him, did it? Because of the Trump administration coming in. So
Starting point is 00:26:01 perhaps Farage is aware of that. But, you know, I guess I reckon recently it's gone beyond the themes. It's absolutely fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. The one thing I would say about Donald Trump, though, he's known to change his mind as well. I mean, look at his ups and downs with Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan's literally like, you're the worst president ever. Now he's calling him up to take advice. So even though Nigel Farage may be thrust out of the inner circle at the moment, the inner sanctum, because Elon Musk is very much there, it doesn the prospect that it is time for an intelligent, an informed, and a hysteria-free conversation about why the conservative politician was right back in 1968 when he delivered his infamous rivers of blood speech. Now that's something that no one in the mainstream media has even been prepared to countenance over the past half a century now.
Starting point is 00:27:13 But I urge you all to go and read the words of Enoch Powell. And while I agree with Margaret Thatcher that some of his language was unfortunate, the point he was making about the damage that mass immigration would cause to the United Kingdom has come true. Before we get into it with our superstar panel based on Bougie and Sophie Corrin, I want you to watch this fascinating discussion with Stephen Edgington, who I have to say really remains the best of GB News. Not many people there these days who I respect, but he is very, very good. And this interview with Douglas Murray on Enoch Powell is fascinating. And one of those post-war titans, and I'm not being ironic here, I genuinely think this, was Enoch Powell, incredibly influential, incredibly intellectual politician.
Starting point is 00:28:13 You know, you can say what you like about his views on immigration, but I think he's an incredibly impressive person. Do you think that he was a kind of prophet when it comes to the issues that Britain is facing today? And maybe you can comment on his legacy. Well, he was a remarkable man. And even people who were detractors of his and opponents of his, like Diane Abbott, had the courtesy to acknowledge that he was among the great orators of his era. I actually met him a few times as a boy. He was a mesmerizing, compelling figure. And there's something very interesting about him. I mean, he didn't get everything right. And you
Starting point is 00:28:54 might say, well, who does? And there are certain parts of his famous 68 speech, which are lurid and definitely didn't help his argument in certain ways. But that aside, on a range of issues, he just got a lot more right than he got wrong. And I think that one of the, even just saying that, I can feel you clipping that to be, you know, Enoch was more right than he was wrong or whatever, which then always creates a world of pain for anyone who says it. But then let me just add to that. The point is, is that
Starting point is 00:29:29 if somebody is onto nothing, then before they're dead, let alone afterwards, their name is forgotten. If somebody has a theory or a claim that is simply not true, it dies with them. But there is a reason why all these decades later, somebody of your age, I can't remember how old you are now. 25. 25. Would know the name Enoch Powell. And I imagine that from one week to the next,
Starting point is 00:30:07 you very rarely think about Reginald Magdalene. I thought so. I don't either, by the way. I do not think of Barbara Castle. We do not discuss Ted Heath's thoughts. Roy Jenkins. Roy Jenkins, even. Shirley Williams is not on the tip of everyone's tongues in 2025,
Starting point is 00:30:36 but Enoch Powell lingers. And there's obviously a reason for that. There's obviously a reason for that. Well, Jason Bougie bougie number one fascinating discussion and i think i really agree with what douglas murray was saying there what's fascinating is if you go back to the speech and you look at it today enoch powell was expressing concern that at the time there was an admission rate of 5,000 a year by voucher with a further 25,000 dependents coming in per annum ad infinitum. Now, last year, based in Boucher, it was 1.2 million. So when Enoch Powell predicted that by the end of the century, which was the year 2000,
Starting point is 00:31:27 the United Kingdom was going to be forever changed, he was right. Obviously, what he didn't know necessarily about was how Islam would shape so much of, I guess, the troubles that we're now facing. But he did right. He did right. And these are his exact words. Now we are seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow immigrants and then over the rest of the population. Now, based on Bougie, can you deny that that is what has happened? No, it absolutely is what has happened. I feel like the man said he prophesied it. And I loved how Douglas Murray actually told the guy, you're a 25 year old who knows, you know, power. I'm 25 too. And I do know of this man and I don't know anyone else around that period. But what he said was very
Starting point is 00:32:34 important. And it was a prophecy. Here's my thing. And I'm just going to break it down in simple, simple, simple terms for people to understand. When you go to Brazil, you want to see Brazilian culture. When you go to Nigeria, you want to see brazilian culture when you go to nigeria you want to see nigerian culture now here in great britain i just do not understand not even just great britain but europe in general i don't understand why europe is the only nation and great britain that is forced to just be this mixing pot and this multiculturalism diversity rainbow now you guys are probably wondering why are you saying this as a black woman? I'm saying this because I believe Western values are very important.
Starting point is 00:33:09 The West is the best freedom of speech democracy. I mean, these are things that my parents came to this country for. And now that is completely disappearing. And you don't see it in Japan. Do you? You don't see it in Saudi Arabia. Exactly. Exactly. But here in the UK and I just don't understand like whether you're white or not like why doesn't that raise an eyebrow for everybody
Starting point is 00:33:33 that why is this country being forced to house half of the planet and being forced to just completely change its national identity I'm not sure if you guys seen the viral video of the guy who was waving the England flag the England flag sorry i think it was on an itv interview and you had this call her name but she started to get really offensive versus tom tom skinner i think it was i'm just like hold on we're always talking about diversity we're always talking about equality that has been the term for the last decade but when it comes to English people and this is their line I am going to say this as a black person this is their line and I am just a host here I find it so confusing and I find it so mind-boggling how
Starting point is 00:34:15 we we people are forcing this cultural change of Great Britain and for me personally I do not like it because I definitely believe Great Britain has paved the way for Western values in a way that no other Western country has. And the fact that people are trying to destroy it, it works my nerves every day. And again, going back to the first, second generation immigrants, they came here for these Western values. For example, the Windrush generation. Yes, they came here for jobs, but they came here because they knew Western values was something that we have to protect. But now that's completely being eroded and it's unfortunate that, you know, what Enoch Powell predicted is actually coming to fruition.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Indeed. And Sophie Cacoran, I think the thing that makes me so angry is that because i went back and just i i wanted to having heard douglas murray i wanted to just make sure that what i thought was indeed correct and if you look at the opinion polling from 1968 despite the fact that the media we would now call it the msm were saying enochnoch Powell is the worst man in the world. They forced him to be sacked, essentially, which was something that Margaret Thatcher disagreed with, by the way. She wasn't leader at the time. 75% of the country, Sophie, backed his speech. And we have been ignored on immigration for 60 years, which is why I think we're now so angry today and why we want the uni party to be smashed today.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Well, yeah, quite. This has been, you know, the public as a whole and Britain as a whole have been really anti-immigration for a really long time i mean my entire my entire life and i've been involved in policy since i was really young i'm talking probably about 10 years old every election you're a wonder child immigration has been you know the number one issue yes nothing nothing has happened and i just think how on earth can we keep promising this and nothing is happening when there is a clear agreement with the public that this is what we want to happen? This is how countries are supposed to be governed.
Starting point is 00:36:34 You're supposed to be governed on the basis of what your people want. And we want this. And again, let me just quote from the speech, because the thing that was so unfortunate about the speech is that the rivers of blood line was obviously not his. It was quoted. He was he was quoting. And that was obviously what the newspapers ran with at the time. And the newspapers dominated the national conversation at the time, but he said that if you, if it is like watching a nation busily engaged
Starting point is 00:37:10 in heaping up its own funeral and, you know, look at where we're at today. It is interesting too, based in Bougie's note, that Nigel Farage actually asked enoch powell to endorse him at a by-election for ukip this was in the 1990s i think he died in 98 enoch powell and i think one thing that's so sad is i bet if you asked nigel farage about enoch powell today based in bougie he'd run a million miles and doesn't that show you where his politics have changed too because actually he was brave back in the 90s saying no no Enoch Powell is not
Starting point is 00:37:53 only right I want his endorsement and and this is why I said in the beginning of this discussion that I really want everyone who's going to vote to really ask yourself what is Nigel Farage's plan like do not get distracted by these turquoise parades and these Martin Luther King speeches reform is coming reform is coming what is the plan because like he just exposed he asked for um Enoch Powell's endorsement but just a couple months ago he decided to write an article going against Rupert Lowe saying that Rupert Lowe was wrong for saying, for using the term mass migration, sorry, because mass migration is a grave and very dangerous term. But you wanted, the backtracking is too much.
Starting point is 00:38:37 I can't keep up with it. And I really want to like Nigel Farage. I want to support reform. But as a realist, you know, like who I am as an individual, I feel like, like Rupert Lowe said, this is your home. Like, don't play around when it comes to politics. Don't just follow, you know, the Enoch Powell policy, it was never to force people to leave the country. It was to give them the option to say to certain communities, if you don't want to be here, that's fine. We can help get you back home or we can help get you to another country that needs your skills. And I think that has been lost in a lot of this because re-migration is now considered to force people to leave the country. Now, that is not what mass deportation is about. Mass deportations are about forcing criminals to leave
Starting point is 00:39:40 the country. The two million who are here are legally to leave the country. But I don't think it's wrong to necessarily suggest to people people if you're not liking it here, then there might be a better way. There might be a country that suits you better. There might be a country that fits your religion better. And I think Douglas made a really important point at the very beginning about Stephen knowing who he was. And there is a real reason actually why because I'm younger than Boz the Bougie actually but why we all know who Enoch Powell is and the reason why we all know who Enoch Powell is because mass immigration has ultimately
Starting point is 00:40:15 destroyed my generation's future in this country we have absolutely no hope we can't get homes we can't get decent jobs it has taken britain away from us and he was right and my generation know that he is right and i went to the pub with my uh my old school friends last week and all of them are saying the exact same thing and we're just normal people that live in farrakhan estates but one of those and you're gen z right you're gen z yeah yeah so one of the one of the funniest thing i find about douglas murray down is that i think we had this conversation a while ago is douglas murray is probably the only person that will ever get away with saying this because he's got a posh voice sorry this is what
Starting point is 00:40:57 i'm saying it's because he's exactly if tommy robinson says it but but douglas murray knows that and and yeah it is it is really fascinating i'd be counseled if tommy robinson says it, but Douglas Murray knows that. And yeah, it is really fascinating. If I said it, I'd be cancelled. If Tommy Robinson says it, he'll be cancelled. If anyone else other than Douglas Murray, because he doesn't sound like he's come out of Eton, says it, then he'd be cancelled. But why?
Starting point is 00:41:16 Why shouldn't he be cancelled? Because we're the ones ultimately in working class environments that are paying the biggest price. Can I just chime in? Yeah. I personally feel like Douglas Murray and Tommy Robinson, they're the same person, just in different fonts. Although in fairness, Douglas Murray has never done that thing.
Starting point is 00:41:33 And this is why I love Douglas Murray. He's never done that thing of, oh, Tommy Robinson is a terrible human being. And I'm just going to say that because otherwise I'm scared of being cancelled. He's never done that. And I think what he said about Enoch Powell was right, because look, I don't agree with certain phrases or certain lines that were used in the Enoch Powell speech. But remember, it was 1968, so it was a very different world. But secondly, it's not the point. We can disagree with certain aspects of someone's language and communication without
Starting point is 00:42:06 cancelling them or in Tommy Robinson's case without sending them to bloody prison. Look I did also want to show you one other part of the Douglas Murray interview though because I've tracked this story it's about he appeared on Newsnight the BBC's Newsnight and was then attacked by a panel of hardcore lefties who basically said the BBC should not have platformed him in the first place. Douglas Murray's response on GB News is really worth watching. Well, you must be very happy because the BBC had you on very recently and then proceeded your interview with three panellists. They succeeded it. They succeeded it with three panellists who all said you were crazy, Islamophobic, whatever,
Starting point is 00:42:51 including the so-called conservative former special adviser, which is just utterly bizarre. All they knew is that I gave for the promotion of democracies and death cults, I was in the UK and um did a number of large public events and uh were straight into number one the sunday times bestseller list and i was asked onto news night and i haven't been on for many years because news night as as i'm sure your viewers will appreciate me saying moved in my own adult life from must watch to nobody watches. And it went through a couple of cycles in the meantime of absolutely impossible to watch and unwatchable. And now I did do a pre-record. They edited it down, as is their right, to about a third of the length,
Starting point is 00:43:41 made sure that all of the points I made that were most salient, if I say so myself, were edited out, and then got three unemployed people on to attack me afterwards. I'm not even sure I know exactly who they are. There's somebody who's a Lib Dem and somebody else. But I mean, it's nice to know that the anti-Douglas Murray industry booms in the UK. And I'm glad that I, at any rate, am helping a job creation in my country of birth in helping total ignoramuses get 70 quid or so from the BBC for showing up on a Wednesday evening. And that is the funny thing, Sophie Cricord. It's like, that's literally what's happening. It's like Matthew Stadlin has your 70 quid to go on and say douglas murray's terrible
Starting point is 00:44:26 then the lib dem former leader joe swinson who remember she said she was going to be prime minister and then she lost her own seat in the election so she can come on and say douglas murray should not be on the bbc it's just it's a ridiculous game it's the game the mainstream media plays thank god it is a game that will soon be over like soon i would like to think that no author like i mean douglas murray can hold his own but i'd like to think no author had to go through the ridiculous charade of of doing that bbc gauntlet because it's irrelevant i mean it's hardly a heartbreaking thing having matthew statlin cry about you on the bbc is that i mean he's hardly a record-breaking man i mean i've spoke to him a few times but it's like me i got blocked by ben kentish the other day
Starting point is 00:45:15 for talking about young people because him a you know middle-aged ish sort of rich radio presenter can speak about the challenges of my generation far greater than me they just so up their own backsides and all of them are very wealthy and all of them are very disconnected from what's actually happening one day it will change dan one day yeah he's a little weasel that that ben ben kentish guy absolutely uh based on bougie what did you think i mean i guess there's an argument should douglas murray be putting himself through appearing on the bbc if they're going to treat him that way if they're going to edit the interview that's what i found disgusting like they didn't even do that thing
Starting point is 00:45:57 where because i understand like when you're dealing with a tv show there might be time constraints i get that like when i had my show on GB News, every segment sort of had to be eight minutes long because you've got to go to the ad break and go to the weather. Oh, thank God I don't have to do that anymore. We can just talk for however long we need to talk on this platform. But what the British Fashion Corporation didn't do is they didn't put up a full unedited version of the interview online. And it's the fact they didn't do that, which makes me very suspicious. Yeah, I'm quite disappointed in Douglas Murray. I thought he was a little bit more intelligent than to go into the BBC. This is the same media company that completely ignored...
Starting point is 00:46:40 I guess he's like, I've got books to sell. I've got a book to sell. That completely ignored the grooming scandal until Elon eden moss decided to you know bring it to light and um i just feel like the the whole lefty lunatics like sophie said they're just up their backside like they can't look at it from this situation of mass migration they can't look at it from just a basic supply and demand perspective they can't look at it from an economics perspective they can't look at it from just a basic supply and demand perspective they can't look at it from an economics perspective they can't look at it from just a there's two there's this many people coming into a country that's this small so they have to always throw out these terms and like you said i'm getting tired of it and i hope we can finally get to a place in mainstream media hopefully that we can just stop with the terms these like offensive terms these hurty words
Starting point is 00:47:24 and finally get to a place where we could actually have intellectual conversations. So, yeah. Hallelujah. He's out. We're no longer going to have to see another annoying, frustrating,
Starting point is 00:47:41 idiotic, weird video of Jeremy Vine in his tight lycra, cycling like a madman around London while trying to say that it's the drivers who are the bad guys. He posted on X, small announcement, I'm stopping my cycling videos. The trolling just got too bad. They have had well over 100 million views, but in the end, the anger they generate has genuinely upset me. A regular theme, sorry, I'm not laughing, has been the desire to see me crushed by a truck. Any cyclist knows this is a very real danger. Well, as I'm constantly saying to Jeremy Vine, I mean, constantly, I say that as if we speak all the time. I used to appear on his show every now and
Starting point is 00:48:29 then. I've told him on X. Let me tell you, as a pedestrian walking the streets of London, I'm much more likely to be mowed down by one of your mad cycling mob who think they don't have to follow the rules and can drive through red lights. And I think we are sick and tired, sick and tired of cyclists believing that they are better than all of us. And I fully support this decision, which looks like it's going to come into place for cyclists to be able to be charged for dangerous deaths. Because remember, that can happen. So while Jeremy Vine is always talking about the risks for cyclists, what about the risks that cyclists pose to pedestrians? I do have to tell you about, and let's watch it in just a moment actually, his announcement on his Channel 5 show though. Because Basil the Great, setting this up, wrote on X,
Starting point is 00:49:27 Jeremy Vine decided to read out some of the comments he gets in response to his cycling videos. It was unintentionally hilarious. And Graham Linehan, the Father Ted writer, posted Partridge Moment. Now, come on, we've got to have a laugh sometimes at jeremy vine's expense don't we surely he'll take it in good humor analysis from baston bougie and sophie kakoran after this exceptional or shall i say exceptional in a way that they probably didn't expect piece of broadcasting. So here we go. It's Jimmy the Fool. Surely this man, that's me, has to be England's biggest A blank, AR blank.
Starting point is 00:50:18 It may be terrible, but I hope he falls under the wheels of five cars that reverse and make sure the job's done. This is just a little cycle. Tony Doherty. A perfect example would be Satan's high priest. An all-round bike fetishist, Jeremy Vine. Pongo. Most annoying, boring C. Maybe I'll say clown, with the most
Starting point is 00:50:46 boring effing phonins, what a clown you are. It's not the word clown. Please die. Sooner the better. I hope you get banned from the roads permanently, you bike Nazi. You're a, look at that, you're without an apostrophe. That's worse than any of it. I agree. You really are a complete C. Your day will come. People want me to get, they want me to get run over. That's what's so weird. Jeremy, you are beyond hated. Please only upload another cycling video
Starting point is 00:51:13 if it's you getting run down and hospitalized. This one's fair enough. Maybe spend some time with your wife instead of editing and posting whatever it is, S-H something, videos on Twitter, then spending all day trying to justify being a blank. I bet your missus is getting banged left, right and center by a car driver. I mean, so shame he's stopping his videos as we won't get to see him squashed. You really are a colossal bell blank. You really are the lowest form of scum on this planet.
Starting point is 00:51:44 I mean, and that's just i mean there's thousands where they came and i had to take out the rudest ones it's what's happened to us michael oh look i mean i'm only laughing because i'm only laughing because there's something very earnest about Jeremy Vine, and I think a little bit naive, because I'm sure any of the three of us could pull the worst examples of trolling that we have received and that we still receive on a daily basis and put them together and they would look that nasty but i think if you just focus on the extremities of the trolls you actually miss the serious point and the serious point here sophie kakoran is that for a very very long time jeremy vine the cycling fetishist i quite like that, has decided to try and say that cyclists are all good and all gods and drivers are all bad. And anyone who is on the roads knows that that is just not the case.
Starting point is 00:52:55 There are as many crazy cyclists as there are crazy drivers. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I don't drive but um i hate cyclists i think there's i think there's i think they're as bad as vegans they're just insufferable in every way imaginable but i love jeremy vine i this is the most controversial thing i promise i'll ever say and i won't dare utter something as controversial controversial ever since. So sorry to our viewers, but I love Jeremy Vine because he just does not take himself seriously at all. And he does all the TikToks and everything. And he's just so sweet.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Sophie, that's the thing. I'm with you. Like, I know most viewers of Outspoken cannot stand Jeremy Vine. But on the whole, he's a contrarian who likes to play both sides. And I don't have any issues with the guy he he is a nice man but based and bougie at the same time you can understand that these cyclists who think that they are holier than thou are very very frustrating when we see their behavior on the roads of our biggest cities on a
Starting point is 00:54:06 daily basis yeah no i'm a driver and i can tell you for a fact that cyclists they they act like they own the road like the way yes as if 20 miles per hour isn't annoying enough and now you have this cyclist just cycling so slow doesn't want to get out of the way in a minute you even just zoom past them they pretend to fall and it's they are headache however i actually did enjoy um his cycling videos i just feel like this country has gotten into such a state and you know it's become so serious that sometimes seeing his videos can give us a laugh okay well should we have a laugh should we have a laugh then because we're gonna say rip to the jeremy vine cycling video and this is what we're missing out on watch
Starting point is 00:54:55 can i be a minute closer to the curb? Wow! What is going on? Let's look again. Now just see. Is she to... Yes, I'm sorry. That's three feet or less. That's less than a meter. You've got to be 1.5.
Starting point is 00:55:29 And what's amazing here, there is no possible reason for that bus to be so close to me, so scarily close. Just look at how much of the road she has. She doesn't even have to be near me. That was bad. even have to be near me. What you've just seen is the reason cyclists go in the middle of the lane. Sorry, should go in the middle of the lane. This is me in Oxford Street. Now, the bus driver thinks he can fit by, and he's pushing to. But I can't allow him. I will be in the middle of the lane. For precisely the reason that you saw earlier,
Starting point is 00:56:14 where if I go to the left, the bus will pass me too close. So it's safer for me to adopt what is called primary position. But it leaves drivers thinking, what the hell is he doing? In the end, the bus isn't slowed down, by the way, because in London, the cyclist is always faster. And that's the arrogance, isn't it? In London, the cyclist is always faster. And he might as well have just said,
Starting point is 00:56:43 in London, the cyclist is always right. But I mean, gosh, a huge amount of effort went into those videos, Sophie Kukorin. I imagine his wife will be very happy, actually, that he's stopping producing those little movie productions. How does he have the time? He's already got two jobs. Yeah, he's so talented.
Starting point is 00:57:02 I mean, I wish I could edit like that. Could you imagine how good all of all of our stuff would be i mean gb news could probably borrow him as an editor i mean he's a better than anything i've ever produced it made me laugh when he tried to start fighting a bus but he just reminded us uh dan you did you go to primary school here i don't know based on do you ever do that? Cycling proficiency? Yes, we did. Cool. I loved that. That was so cool. We had to do a cycle. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:57:28 Do you know, I could never cycle. I could never cycle. This is my big revelation. I just have never liked it. And my dad used to have to run after me and I couldn't brake. And I just, you know, sometimes you just know you're not made to do something. So I just haven't cycled. I don't cycle.
Starting point is 00:57:46 By the way, speaking of Tubi News, and only because you raised it, Sophie, only because you raised it. I remember about three years ago, I was hosting a show and we fell off air for 45 minutes. And I just hit the roof. I was like, this is insane. Like, how do we not have the technology to just stay on air as a national news station? What happens if we were covering massive breaking news? And I sort of sat in the studio, see there, I spoke to all the executives and the board members and like, this is crazy. Yeah, Dan, we've got to sort it out. We're going to sort the technology out. Do you know, last night I was told,
Starting point is 00:58:26 I haven't checked if this is true, but I heard it from a very good source, that GB News was off air for something like three hours or their shows between seven o'clock and 10 o'clock just had these huge breaks of like half an hour and they just couldn't broadcast. And I thought, oh my goodness, thank God I'm not there anymore because my heart rate would not be able to cope
Starting point is 00:58:48 with that. My stress levels used to get so high when I was dealing with that sort of technology anyway. But based on Bougie, Sophie Cacoran, do stand by because in just one minute, you're not going to believe this. You are not going to believe this. J.K. Rowling, who has been on the right side of the issue, of course, when it comes to what a woman is, has decided to race swap one of her characters in the new Harry Potter series, Snape. And surprise, surprise, the race swap actor has now turned on J.K. Rowling. This is quite a story. We're going to analyze it in just one minute. But first, you know I never recommend anything unless I truly believe in it,
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Starting point is 01:01:49 Rowling, who became multi-millionaires on the back of J.K. Rowling, threw her under the bus because she knows what a woman is. You know who I'm talking about. Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint. I thought they were bad enough because maybe they thought, well, we don't need J.K. Rowling anymore. We're not going to be in her new TV series. So we have a right to slam her and just get the Woketopians off our back. Not that I thought it was excusable at all. And quite rightly, J.K. Rowling thinks they're absolute scumbags. But it gets a whole lot worse because J.K. Rowling is making a massive new TV version of Harry Potter. Every single book is going to be a TV series in itself. It has a massive budget.
Starting point is 01:02:33 It's been made by HBO. Trust me, this is going to be the TV series of the decade. And of course, who the actors were, the new actors were for these iconic roles, was going to be very interesting, especially given there remains this group of Woktopians in Hollywood who have decided that J.K. Rowling is the devil, is a woman who needs to be destroyed because she has simply stood up for the rights of biological women. And then quite recently, a controversial decision was made to race swap one of the characters in the book, Snape, to turn him from what was a very obvious Alan Rickman character. He absolutely fit all of the characteristics that were explained in the book
Starting point is 01:03:18 to this new, younger black star. But okay, we went along with it to an extent, you know, in J.K. Rowling we trust. But wow, that was a big mistake because look at what's just happened. The star of J.K. Rowling's new anti-woke HBO Harry Potter show turns on her in a pro-trans open letter signed by A-listers who have starred in her movies. So let me take you through just the start of the Daily Mail story. The star of HBO's Harry Potter reboot has turned on J.K. Rowling in a letter standing, quote, in solidarity with members of the LGBT plus community. I don't even know what that means. Impacted by the Supreme Court gender ruling.
Starting point is 01:04:03 Papa Isidro, who has been cast as Severus Snape in the upcoming series, was one of several signatories of the letter addressed to film and TV industry bodies encouraging them to support the trans community. The letter, signed by more than 400 industry professionals, including other actors from the franchise, claimed the ruling earlier this month undermines the lived reality and threatens the safety of trans, non-binary and intersex people living in the UK. Kelly J Keane, the women's rights advocate, responded saying nothing worse than a bunch of wankers getting together to sign a letter about
Starting point is 01:04:37 you. You have to be a special sort of weak cretin to put your name to these sorts of things, don't you think? But based in Bougie, one of these weak cretins is meant to be starring in the new Harry Potter, Papa Isidu. So what on earth is J.K. Rowling going to do about this? You know what? It's such a shame because Papai Sidi, he's actually an amazing, amazing actor. Is he? Okay. Tell me about that because I'd never heard of him.
Starting point is 01:05:11 So what's he been in? I'd literally never heard of him. He's been on the show. I completely forgot what it's called, but I forgot the name. I forgot, but there's this Netflix show that talks about basically mainstream media manipulation through AI and he played the character fantastic everyone should watch the show when I find the name I'll put it on my Instagram story and he said yeah and he basically prayed
Starting point is 01:05:34 played a prime minister and he played it fantastically so I think Sylvira Snape um playing that character that would have fit him perfectly regardless of his skin tone because he is a great character however to turn on him to sorry, to turn on J.K. Rowling all because of the trans community. I don't know if you guys seen that recent clip of Justin Bieber where he's going to the paparazzi. Money, money, money, money, money. That's what people care about. Money, money, money. Like this is Hollywood. All they care about is money. The fact that you can turn on someone for simply stating biological facts that has been around since adam and eve is just mind-blowing to me and it also just goes to show the the um
Starting point is 01:06:11 entitlement of these lefties you know these entitlement where it's like you're given an opportunity and as soon as you're given it you're literally biting the hand that feeds you and plus he's an upcoming actor too this would have been an amazing opportunity for him but he decided to decline it and decided to sign this dumb letter all because of this trans community well the most shocking thing is well actually a couple of things to say firstly the two series i've just looked a black mirror and black doves now i've seen black doves actually i remember him in that and he was good so agree with you, he's a good actor. The most shocking thing, though, Sophie Kikorin, is that he's not saying that he's not going to take on the role.
Starting point is 01:06:52 He still expects to be taking J.K. Rowling's coin while slamming her. Now, personally, I would like to see J.K. Rowling say, no, you just piss off. Not for free speech reasons, by the way. He can think whatever he wants. But isn't this about respect? You know, if you're signing up for Harry Potter, you are signing up to work for JK Rowling. And actually, you should just be publicly respectful for her and shut up. Just shut up shut up and act we do not need to hear from you we especially don't need to hear from you by the way as a man about why this issue matters because it's people like you sophie who are actually impacted by it not him he will never be impacted
Starting point is 01:07:40 by the trans extremism that has put women at risk and i say this if you don't like joker rowling if you think she's dangerous for the uk if you think she's evil don't act in the film don't take the money piss off and go work for disney i don't care don't sit there and sign letters because you're not achieving anything just don't act in it if you feel so strongly about this issue that you feel like you need to condemn this woman who is ultimately going to make a career, don't do it. No one's forcing him to act in this film.
Starting point is 01:08:10 In actual fact, he's getting a lot of benefit from doing so. Don't do it. If you're a man of your word, don't do it. Because if I was in the same way and they wanted me to act in some woke film, I wouldn't do it. Exactly. No one is forcing you to take the money i would never
Starting point is 01:08:28 take money from the british bashing corporation for example i would never take money from channel four news for example or sly news you have a choice papa a seed you and i think the fact that you want to have your cake and eat it too and i think it's really telling as well based on bougie he's only done this once his casting has been announced and i think that's really critical too because it puts jk rowling in a very very awkward position yeah sorry i just researched the show the show is called the capture by the way so he's been in loads of netflix stuff then okay because he loved the show is right up your alley it does talk about mainstream media manipulation but yeah okay good i don't like that whole you know um hollywood space i feel like they're all entitled they're all bratty they all just want their cake and be able to eat it too
Starting point is 01:09:21 like i for example i don't like the LGBT community. I will never accept money from them. I just won't do it. But for him to accept money from J.K. Rowling once his character is finally, you know, written in stone, but at the same time is bashing the person, like when are these people going to understand that without J.K. Rowling,
Starting point is 01:09:39 you would have no show. You would have no money. And I just do not like the entitlement and the brattiness of these actors they drive me insane i know sophie kakoran it is such a frustrating thing and i just wish these actors would have a look at what happened to rachel ziegler Snow White. Because let me tell you, we do not want to be preached to by little actors who live in their weird little world and do all of their odd things, you know, and vegan and sleep with lots of different people and say they, them and non-binary.
Starting point is 01:10:19 You know, that's all fine. That is all fine. You go and do that. But just don't preach to us because you destroyed Snow White. But in the process, you lost Disney something like half a billion dollars. And the problem is HBO has to be really careful here because remember, the Woketopians are already trying to promote a boycott of Harry Potter. So this new Harry Potter series.
Starting point is 01:10:46 So then if there's an actor here who's trying to come in from the other way, they risk actually the conservatives saying, well, no, we're not keen on this series. And remember, there was already a lot of concern about the fact that this character was being race-swapped, and that's before you get to his trying to speak out against jk rowling yeah i think if i was jk and i was uh making the intelligent decision i would cut my losses with a lot of these people if there's anyone involved in the production staff that
Starting point is 01:11:14 signed this letter or as you say as part of the cast you'd have to bin them off because otherwise they're going to turn this whole thing into a circus they're going to take the show away from her and for what it's meant to be they're going to politicize it and like you said it's going to end up like Snow White but there is a big win today because JK Rowling always wins she never loses and then finally the FA the English FA have also banned trans people from women's football so she's just winning every day you know these people think that they're taking the W's because they sign a letter there is nobody that has won more in the last year or so than JK Row rowling i don't think she's ever lost i mean she's the complete opposite of that joley and good law project guy who i don't think has ever won in his life um but yeah she keeps winning but i think the best thing for her
Starting point is 01:11:53 to do there is a silent majority out there that the the vegans or whatever or the cyclists they're all going to boycott her show um but there's a silent majority out there people that will support it so long as she doesn't allow it to happen to go down the route that snow white did um because i mean that bombed didn't it speaking of netflix shows uh can we just talk about the total difference in reaction from the political class in the united kingdom from slippery star with the british prime minister when it came to the netflix drama not documentary starmer it is a drama which was quite clearly propagating an anti-white narrative because it changed the main character which was a teenage
Starting point is 01:12:40 killer that had initially been based on a black 15 year old knife wielding stabber in Croydon East London Southeast London changed that character into a young white lad from Liverpool now I actually thought the drama was great but it's not the point it became an absolute political punching bag and Starmer uh kept calling it a documentary and he got the makers into number 10 Downing Street and on and on and on it went. But last night on Channel 4 there was an actual documentary, not a drama, a documentary about the biggest scandal in British history, groomed, all about the Pakistani rape gang scandal. And there's been radio silence, radio silence from Keir Starmer on this issue. And actually, that hypocrisy has been pointed out by a lot of people today.
Starting point is 01:13:41 Dominic Cummings, the former Downing Street advisor under Boris Johnson, talking to the lobby. Now, the lobby, for people who don't know, is those Westminster journalists who all seem to hunt in a pack and do whatever the establishment is telling them to do. So he said, hey, lobby, first cue this AM to PMOS. That's like when the prime minister, well, it's the Prime Minister's official spokesperson. So it's when the journalists ask the PM spokesperson, did the PM watch the rape
Starting point is 01:14:12 gangs documentary last night? Oh, really? How come suddenly the PM isn't the nation's chief documentary critic? Is it because he's Whitehall's NPC PM whose job here is to continue the local and national cover-ups while accelerating importing of more race rapists from the exact same tribal areas and their cousins. And GB Politics reported that Keir Starmer rejected an interview request to appear on the Channel 4 documentary. Soala Braverman, the former Home Secretary, did the Prime Minister watch this documentary last night and will he hold a summit in Downing Street with its makers and will it be shown across all schools? Let me see.
Starting point is 01:14:52 Inevitable West. Thousands of Brits are in tears tonight. Channel 4 just smashed through the establishment lies and told the world what really happened. This is massive. Chris Rose, Channel 4 ad, groomed a national scandal. Hard-hitting truth and i would not blame you if it brought you to tears perhaps this should be shown in every school across the uk since it's
Starting point is 01:15:10 far more of a priority and based on reality and i'll vary on sophie kakoran i wonder if we will see the pm push for the grooming show shown tonight on channel 4 like he did adolescence adolescence is a fake drama groomed is real Let's show that in schools instead, as he watched it. And Sophie, I know that it's great that there are people like you who are receiving a lot for so long, for so long, have done everything possible to cover up the rape gang scandal. And it makes me sick. Yeah, and I think there was a news report come out now that essentially, I think, Tracy Brabin, who is, I believe she's the mayor of where sort of Batley and Spen is, that area. And obviously she was the former MP for Batley and Spen, the guy who ran for Joe Cox, I believe. And she has essentially rejected a motion into any sort of grooming gang there.
Starting point is 01:16:20 So even the government's own inquiries, well well inquiries that they promised that they would do if the local uh area wants to reject them then they're saying oh well well the local authority doesn't want it so we're not going to do it uh we're putting an inquiry into the local authority because they've failed they're essentially letting them mark their own homework and saying of course the local authorities don't want these inquiries because they're responsible of course some of these labour mps don't want these inquiries because they're involved obviously the point of an inquiry is to stop these people getting away from it so the government's rules around this are far too loose but again it's just a great hypocrisy you can't shove adolescents down my throat and come and say that all boys are toxic which as I said is an extremely dangerous message to portray and not true and say that you know we
Starting point is 01:17:06 should be showing this in schools and that we should push this message that all white boys are toxic in the UK and dangerous but all of a sudden when we've got a real documentary shown by channel four no less can we just emphasize the importance that channel four has shown yeah they usually only do woke this. The Prime Minister wants nothing to do with it. This is becoming so mainstream, you can't ignore it anymore as much as the Prime Minister is trying to do. And the walls are closing in on Labour and they're doing the best as they can to run from it.
Starting point is 01:17:33 The local authorities are doing the best they can to run from it, but they can't run from it for much longer. And they're trying to put adolescents, and I reckon this is why, they knew this documentary was coming, by the way, because they would have asked him for an interview quite far in advance.
Starting point is 01:17:45 So that's probably the reason why he's gone so gung ho on adolescence, because he's probably known that this documentary is actually coming out for quite some time. So he's trying to shift the focus onto this made up fake drama that tries to push the narrative that he wants to show that all white men are bad, instead of showing actually what type of bad men there are out there. And's not young white boys in secondary schools I can tell you that no indeed and based in Bougie I watched it last night uh it is a hard watch it's certainly not an enjoyable piece of television I know for a lot of people that will be really difficult what struck me is that I had quite recently been on the Mark Stein cruise and uh one of the fellow guests on the Mark Stein cruise and one of the fellow guests on the Mike Stein cruise was Sammy Woodhouse the rape gang survivor and it was great to get to know Sammy actually and we just spoke a lot and she's so open about her experiences and her story
Starting point is 01:18:39 of being groomed by these rape gangs matched up so much to what these brave young women were saying on the documentary and that really struck me too it's like oh my god this has happened to so many young women emphasis on the word so many so many and that's why Keo Starmer he has an obligation to talk about this and this is why I refer to the Labour Party as the loser party because they get everything wrong like they haven't done anything right and the whole adolescence documentary like can someone help me understand what was the purpose of it like what was the purpose why did we need to know this fake story to understand like you can't sit here and say that we need to protect men we need to know this fake story? Do you understand? Like, you can't sit here and say that
Starting point is 01:19:25 we need to protect men, that we need to protect men from danger whilst also creating a documentary insinuating that all men are toxic and men who, you know, have a little bit of rage are these demonic people and white men to be specific are these demonic people that we need to run away from. It makes absolutely no sense. However, the grooming documentary, this is is real life this has happened to probably millions of girls you know because i know they are trying to hide the statistics but the reason why they do not want to talk about this is because if they know that if the public does further investigation the way tommy robinson did and the way urban scoop did they will realize that a lot of these politicians were in cahoots with these grooming gangs and that's what they're trying to hide and that's why labor will never emphasis on the word
Starting point is 01:20:10 never have my support very good point okay thank you both based in bougie and sophie kikor and sophie i i know you're a great election watcher are you going to be are you going to be doing an all-nighter oh absolutely yeah i'll'll be texting you throughout every single exit poll that comes out. We are absolutely praying for not a Conservative win in Cambridgeshire and Peterborough. That's the only thing I care about. But I reckon that will unfortunately happen because they're quite far ahead in the opinion polls. But I'm so excited tonight. I'm such a nerd.
Starting point is 01:20:39 So I'm really looking forward to see what's going to happen. And Sophie, just before you go, and actually I should remind everyone to sign up to my sub stack www.outspoken.live because you wrote a brilliant column earlier in the week on Outspoken about something you are incredibly passionate about and angry about. And you have now just launched a petition on this too and this is about wanting to stop the use of private rental accommodation for housing asylum seekers yeah so the government came out earlier this week and encouraged landlords to house asylum seekers so they're paying uh landlords five years worth of rent plus all damages and everything to uh house asylum seekers obviously we have a rental crisis that is pushing young people out of this country four and ten young people are spending over 30 percent of their salaries in rent it is utterly a complete and
Starting point is 01:21:33 utter betrayal of my generation for this government to allow asylum seekers into housing this is their way of getting these asylum seekers out of hotels and say oh look we're getting out of hotels good for us but we're going to take all those houses that are supposed to be going for young people so that we can start our future away from us and give them to asylum seekers of course a loss of land laws will take it up because it's guaranteed rent that they perhaps might not have and they of course get all of the the fixing free and they're going to make more from it so it's just young people pushed out this is an existential crisis for young people's future in this country i cannot emphasize how big this betrayal is and i really need everyone's support to help us stop this. I've written a letter to
Starting point is 01:22:08 Angela Rainer earlier this week, I think it's gotten about 11,000, 12,000 likes so far, I'm going to keep pushing. But I want the government to not spend any of their money in paying landlords to rent asylum seekers at the expense of my generation. Now, it's such an important point, your column for the outspoken sub stack was absolutely brilliant uh it explains the whole thing i really recommend people sign up to read it you can do so completely for free at www.outspoken.live thank you so much sophie kakoran and based and boug, we will see you again very soon. Now, I've got to pick up on something that Debbie Burgess said on the live chat.
Starting point is 01:22:51 She said when I was talking about tomorrow's special show, which is with the superstar panel, of course, for the election. Alex Phillips, Howard Cox, Father Calvin Robinson and Connor Tomlinson. Debbie Burgess wrote. I love you, Debbie, by the way. But she said, great, all anti-Nigel guests tomorrow, laughing face emoji, laughing face emoji. Well, Debbie, I have to say, I have to say, Alex Phillips is about the furthest from an anti-Nigel guest you can possibly have. In fact, loads of you get annoyed because you think Alex Phillips is too pro-Nigel. I would say that Conor Tomlinson is right in the middle. He's very analytical. He's like me. He views himself as a critical friend of Reform UK. Father Calvin Robinson, absolutely. He's on the other side. And when it comes to Howard Cox, actually, it's much more
Starting point is 01:23:43 nuanced because I think he feels like Reform UK walked away from him and he's devastated about it. And that was because he supported Tommy Robinson. So I actually think it's going to be a fascinating panel that has a broad cross-section of views on the right. Enrique Shelton. And this is on the whole idea of should we be voting for Reform UK today. Katie Hopkins says, hold your nose. And he says, colleagues, I understand these disagreements, but now is the time to remain united. Vote for reform. And Mary on the grooming gang's documentary says, Starmer should now say groomed must be shown in every school and i should say please do subscribe and turn on your
Starting point is 01:24:28 notification bell because that way you will be alerted to our special election broadcast tomorrow we're going to be kicking off at the usual time 5 p.m uk midday eastern 9 a.m pacific that is when we will know the bulk of the results. But if you follow me on Substack, www.outspoken.live, I am going to be doing a live chat there as well as the results start to come in. Okay, Greatest Britain Union Jackass time now. Your nominees today for Union Jackass, Ross Kemp, nominated by Karen hanky and it's for the cringe video with slippery starmer campaigning for local elections and advising the pm on what working class people think he's noam middleton anna soire nominated by darren donaldson the scottish labour leader
Starting point is 01:25:16 for blatant sectarianism and being anti-white and max wilkinson the liberal democrat mp for his awful heckling of Nigel in Parliament yesterday, Nigel Farage, that is, maybe you can pay for it then, you stupid bleep. And it was a close one today. In third position, the Lib Dem MP Max Wilkinson. The runner-up, Ross Kemp for the Labour campaign, Loven. But your union jackass today with 38% of the vote, Anas Suar, the Scottish Labour leader for his anti-assimilation push. And the exciting thing is now that they go head to head with your other union jackass winners from the week. Now,
Starting point is 01:26:02 let me just remind myself. I know it was Ed Davey on Monday. Meghan Markle on Tuesday. Ed Miliband on Wednesday. And Anas Sawar on Thursday. So straight after the show, I'm going to put those four Union Jackass winners head to head in the post section of YouTube. Get voting. I will announce the worst Britain in the world tomorrow. Tomorrow night. Greatest Britain though, it could only be, it could only be
Starting point is 01:26:34 the victims of the Pakistani rape gangs who appeared in the Channel 4 documentary, Groomed. Oh my goodness, you were inspirational, so brave. Thank you for sharing your stories and thank you for Big Mama Booth for that nomination. Now we're moving on to Substack now for the uncancelled after show www.outspoken.live. Please sign up for a monthly membership to watch the uncancelled after show first every night and you can watch us either live or on demand tonight prince william finally snaps i'll reveal his bombshell vow to punish megan markle for using her hrh title with royal youtube sensation eat diner so for now we come off youtube and rumble we move to substack
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