Dan Wootton Outspoken - NIGEL FARAGE'S SCATHING VE DAY ATTACK ON ZIA YUSUF, GB NEWS, RUPERT LOWE & TOMMY ROBINSON

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

VERSO - https://morning.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. Nigel Farage launches a shock VE Day attack on Rupert Lowe, Ben Habib, Tommy Robinson and even his own employer GB News and Chairman Zia Yusuf. Dan will analyse why he’s trying to brand honest patriots the “alt right” in his Digest next and then gets reaction from his Superstar Panel: Former UKIP leader Henry Bolton, now a prominent player in the SDP, and ex-Brexit Party MEP and author of the That’s What She Said Substack Alex Phillips. PLUS: James O’Brien’s hilarious Farage meltdown on LBC and why he’s becoming all too easy to parody. AND: Labour reveals it’s true colours on how it really views the historic British scandal of the Pakistani Muslim rape gang cover up. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Why Meghan Markle new PR stunt has been interpreted as a gigantic “eff you” at Buckingham Palace. Shock new information on the royal cold war with Montectio as we team up with the Royal News Network. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wotton. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 219 on a special day as the UK marks the 80th anniversary of VE Day with the Royal Family out for a special flypast and balcony appearance. And on this day, I think of all the veterans of World War II, but especially my four beloved grandparents, who I just want to take a moment to tell you about. So there's William Thomas Wooten, who celebrated his 21st birthday behind enemy lines in a Belgian village the British Army was trying to liberate from the Germans. He was a member of the Royal Engineers. My grandmother, Catherine Taylor, who was 12 years old and living in South Shields when the war broke out, but by the time it ended, would be a member of the Auxiliary Territorial Services alongside the late Queen

of the Second. My other grandpa, there he was in Africa. He was a heroic RAF airman. While his wife, my grandma, Sylvia Jean Cook, she was even younger than a teenager, but survived the London Blitz. And all of them put aside their coming of age to protect not just our country, but also Western democracy. And it breaks my heart that my family's greatest generation are no longer with us. But I am so grateful that I had the opportunity to learn from them. Because you know, there's something about being with someone who survived World War II and getting to know the way they view life. It really put every other problem, every commercial thing that people got obsessed with into some perspective because the life they had to lead as a young person involved worrying if someone was going to turn up at the front door with a telegram saying their brother, their sister, their father was lost. So I think about them a lot today. And I know we all think about those of us who lost people in World War II

and how incredible that there were a few of those veterans with the royal family. I'll show you some of that later in the show. Of course, we'll also discuss the royals still privately reeling from Prince Harry's latest bombshell too. But breaking right now, Nigel Farage launches a shock VE day attack on a whole load of people on GB News. I'm going to be critical of GB News. GB News covered this story obsessively, as if it was some huge story. It's all his fault.

And it was never a huge story. It was one person who had increasingly been heading in a different direction. And your mate, your chairman, made it a big story by calling in the police. Well, he did do that. Do you think that was a good idea? I'm going to challenge you.

I'll pass on that. There we are. I'll pass on that. It was are. I'll pass on that. It was a bizarre decision by Zia Youssef to call in the police. But, you know, it was only ever going to be one person. And the upshot of it, what it really tells you is that X is not the real world. Correct. Twitter as it was then.

Twitter as it was is not the real world. So, yeah. Okay, there's much more of that because he actually goes on to describe Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib, who is Pakistani or at least half Pakistani, as the alt-right. Now, the alt-right actually means you are a white nationalist. So there's a whole load of this to unravel, including, by the way, did you notice, not defending or denying my story before the election that he was furious with Zia Yusuf for reporting Rupert Lowe to the police. So anyway, Nigel Farage has decided to put this all out there today. We will analyse why he's trying to go down this direction in my digest next. Then reaction from my fabulous superstar panel, former UKIP leader Henry Bolton. He is now the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Security spokesperson for the SDP. And she's back, ex-Brexit party MEP, author of the That's What She Said sub stack, Alex Phillips.

Also coming up on the show today, James O'Brien's hilarious Farage meltdown on LBC and why he's becoming just all too easy to parody. And Labour, specifically that scumbag Lucy Powell, reveals its true colours on how it really views the historic British scandal of the Pakistani Muslim rape gang cover-up. Got loads to say on that one, so you don't want to go anywhere. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, why Meghan Markle's new PR stunt has been interpreted as a gigantic F-U at Buckingham Palace. By the way, that's the language coming out of the palace, not my language, which shows you how furious they are about this. We'll have shocking new information on the Royal Cold War with Montecito as we team up with the Royal News Network. And you can subscribe at www.outspoken.live.

It is the return of Greatest Britain Union Jackass 2. We'll reveal the results and the winners at the end of the show, but you can vote right now on the live chat on YouTube. Let me know your comments and everything as well. I'll read out the best and the worst at the end of the show. But the nominees for Union Jackass link very closely to the subject matter of the show today. Prince Harry, nominated by Anna Island for discussing his dad's health without his consent and the rest of that unhinged

interview. Lucy Powell, nominated by At Barnock One for the vile dismissal of the rape gang inquiry when she called for one in opposition. And Chris Philp, nominated by Drew59Blue. He just doesn't get it. As far as this generation is concerned, the Conservatives are finished. Allowing the party to be taken over by woke wets will never be forgiven. Three great choices. Go on and vote in the YouTube live chat right now. The results at the end of the show. But now, let's go.

Reform UK's historic win, reshaping British politics, hopefully forever, and smashing the uni party has brought out the Jekyll and Hyde somewhat in Nigel Farage. I mean, it's hard to disagree with these words from him in the Daily Telegraph. Nothing will ever be the same again. Two-party politics at both local and national level is over. The system that dominated in this country for a century died on Thursday. He wrote, it will never return. Please, God, I really hope he's right. I genuinely do. I also love his threat to the Home Secretary and the Energy Secretary. He told them, Yvette and Ed's seats are high up on our target list.

I want to say to them, we are coming for your seats next. Love that. Absolutely love that. And look at this map of Reform UK's support. Yep, unite the right with this power base to take on the true enemies on the left. I am all for it. Indeed, I even love this display of patriotism from Reform UK's chairman, Zia Youssef today, not a fan of mine, but I love this. He wrote,

Reform-controlled English councils will move at speed to resolve that the only flags permitted to be flown on or in its buildings will be the Union Jack and the St. George's flag. No other flags will be permitted to be flown on its flagpoles, balconies, reception desks or council chamber wards. I think that's so brilliant, right? Because today, VE Day, such an important day being celebrated on this bank holiday, I see lots of Ukrainian flags on official government buildings. What is that about? And I especially love Farage's honest takedown of this MSN reporter. You spoke to about 750 young men.

I mean, that's a small fraction of the people living in this constituency can really scapegoat them for the problems that people who fit... Do you live in their streets? I don't know. No, no, that's funny, that, isn't it? If you live in a street and 10 or 15 young men from completely different cultures move into one of those houses and you're getting up at 5 o'clock in the morning

to go and work on a building site or whatever it is, would you be happy about that? I tell you what, people aren't. About what, living beside people? Why should I pay my taxes for people who are legally coming to Britain, get free health care, immediate GP appointments, free dental appointments, spending money, and full bed and breakfast paid for?

There is a sense here that something wrong and unfair is going on. Do you not think you're just trying to create divisions? No, the divisions are being created by weak British governments, allowing people willy nilly from all over the world, undocumented young males of fighting age to come into Britain in unprecedented numbers. Yep, I love that. Honestly, he's so good in those moments. And with these sorts of memes, which I can show you now, they're not laughing now, are they? Oh, and there's the observer front page. He was celebrating this as well from the left wing observer. Maybe Katie Hopkins was right that some of the ego driven coverage might be a little bit hard

to stomach. So we're going to have to endure and it's going to be a bit gross. So have your sick bags at the ready. We're going to endure the Nigel gloat and it's going to be big. There's going to be ha ha ha ha ha pints, the ha ha ha, the smiling outrageously at everything. There's going to be multiple cigarette ha ha ha moments. There's going to be the Richard Tice cuddle-ha-ha, the smiling outrageously at everything. There's going to be multiple cigarette ah-ha-ha moments. There's going to be the Richard Tice cuddle-a-thon. We're going to have to have Zia Youssef's face all over the place, which all of us could do without. Just let them have their moment.

Look away. Have the odd gag reflex. It's perfectly enticing. But to be honest, I was all OK with the direction. I loved everything that was going on. I loved this. So funny. Until, until I received an email this afternoon from my amazing outspoken founding member,

Jane. And this email, let me read it to you. She said, Dan, watch GB News at about 1.15. I know Bev Turner is your friend, but she set up the most sycophantic question and opportunity for Nigel to spout terrible stuff about Rupert and Ben. I hope Reform and Nigel get their comeuppance to dismiss Rupert as just X and no need for Tommy Robinson supporters. I hope it comes back to bite him on the bum. I'll be resigning from Reform and joining Ben and I presume Rupert if they're still backing from Elon

or other entrepreneurs. This is four years for Rupert and Ben to show up Nigel. Bev blamed Andrew Pearce for the fuss but quite rightly he pushed back against Nigel and pointed out reporting to the police inflamed it. Nigel criticized GB News for its coverage. He's not criticizing them now. Pride comes before a fall. There will be tumbles and falls, I predict, not plain sailing for four years. So that was the email I got. And I thought, oh my goodness, what is going on? I have to go and watch this. I do know that Ben Habib had written this critical column in the Daily Telegraph over

the weekend, which maybe wasn't the best timing. So I did check it out. And it was very interesting, and I think really disappointing, because Nigel used this moment on GB News to launch the biggest attack yet on Rupert Lowe, Ben Habib and Tommy Robinson, and his own employer GB News for covering other parts of the right. He also refused to defend Zia Youssef as chairman for reporting Rupert Lowe to the police, something I reported before the election, which prompted Youssef to call me a liar. So I want you to watch this now for yourself.

Just a few weeks ago, Nigel, with all of the furore around Rupert Lowe, people were saying, this is it, this is going to be, this isn't just a dent in the Reform Party, this is going to destroy the Reform Party. And over the weekend, people were saying, Rupert who? It doesn't appear to have made any sort of impact, despite the best efforts of Andrew Pearce with his journalistic expertise.

Even though I work here, I'm going to be critical of GB News. GB News covered this story obsessively, as if it was some huge story. It's all his fault. And it was never a huge story. It was one person who had increasingly been heading in a different direction. And your mate, your chairman, made it a big story by calling in the police. Well, he did do that. Do you think that was a good idea? I've got to challenge you. I'll pass on that. There we are. I'll pass on that. It was a bizarre decision for Zia Yous, to call in the police.

But it's only ever going to be one person. And the upshot of it, what it really tells you is that X is not the real world. Twitter as it was, no. Twitter as it was is not the real world. So, yeah, you know, when you get problems in life, the best thing is to confront them. Would you have him back now in the party

we've put low after all of this? Ben Habib, is there a way back for Ben? Over my dead body. the best thing is to confront them. Would you have him back now in the party? I don't think so. Ben Habib, is there a way back for Ben? Over my dead body. Well, he wrote a piece saying you didn't deserve your victory. Did you see it? I mean, I'm sorry, you get these small, very insignificant people... Say what you think, Nigel. ...who think they're more important than they are.

They're frankly nothings. There you are. Yeah i mean i mean you know i don't mind people standing up i don't mind people disagreeing with me i never have done as long as there's some fundamental underlying loyalty and that's the one thing i demand yeah small very insignificant people are frankly nothings now i think that's totally the wrong language for people like me who want reform to do well but as a true conservative party on the right where big figures are welcome then it actually got worse because nigel used the term alt-right and you've got to be really

careful with this because the alt-right term was also used by the Daily Telegraph last week to describe me and outspoken. Now, I could sue them for that because being alt-right means to be a white nationalist. So that is a despicable slur to throw at anyone. It's also factually inaccurate if you're using that slur to describe, for example, bin Habib, a Pakistani man. Watch this. Were you confident, Nigel, all the time throughout that process that it was going to go that way? Of course. Well, I was confident

that Rupert Lowe and the alt-right Tommy Robinson supporters on X, you know, weren't much of a benefit to us. I was confident about that. I was confident it was the right thing to do. You know, I knew it would be. I was confident it was the right thing to do. You know, I knew it would dent us in the short term, but no more than dent us.

But, you know, I mean, look at the image of the party now. You know, we now have two very prominent women in the party. We have... Andrea Jenkins is the mayor of Lincoln. Andrea Jenkins and Sarah Pochin. So we have two prominent women now amongst the sort of top half a dozen team in the party. We have a chairman who's a very brilliant man, Zia Youssef. It's right calling in the police.

Do you know what? When you do as much as... It's easy for journalists. Just sit at the back of the room... You wouldn't have done it. You wouldn't have done it. All you lot do is chuck bricks. You wouldn't have done it. When you're someone at the front All you lot do. All you lot do is chart bricks. You wouldn't have done it.

When you're someone at the front line doing stuff, you do a hundred things, you might get one wrong. You know? And who happens to be a member of the ethnic minority? It's not that that's why he's there. I think the whole look at reform is very, very different. Very, very different. So, no, did we do the right thing over Rupert?

No, you bet. OK, so lots to pick up on there. Firstly, I don't think Reform UK should play the identity politics game. You're the one that wants to get rid of all DEI officers. I completely support that. So just go for the right candidates. It doesn't matter if they're a woman. It doesn't matter if they're an ethnic minority. It doesn't matter if they're Muslim. Just go for the right candidates. Don't play that game. That's the first thing I would say.

I also think you're really wrong to use that term, Nigel, and I think it will backfire on you. Being alt-right means to be a white nationalist. That is a disgusting thing to say. So, Nigel, are you saying, serious question, are you saying at the last election, the last general election, which was less than a year ago, you had a white nationalist who was actually half Pakistani as the deputy leader of your party. You had a white nationalist standing to be an MP at Great Yarmouth. That's nuts,

if you actually believe that. And it also plays into the hands of the MSM, and I will show you why in just one moment. It's also very telling to me there, of course, that that is Nigel Farage admitting that Zia Youssef got it wrong to report Rupert Lowe to the police. I think Zia Youssef should apologise to me for saying that I was lying because that is all I reported before the election, that Nigel Farage had said that Zia Youssef got it wrong, that he wasn't happy with the fact that he had reported Rupert Lowe to the police and that he was intending to smoothly exit Zia Youssef out of the job at some point in the next few months. But what we've got now is a mainstream media openly campaigning against Reform UK. And what are they going to do? They are going to use the racist label, just like Andrew Marr did on the despicable LBC over the weekend. Watch this.

Some modes, Nigel Farage talks about and says he is a classical liberal, you know, reform as in the reform club. It's an old fashioned liberal word. And he says, you know, he's in favour of limited government and maximum freedom and all those things the old liberals used to be in favour of. At other times, they sound Thatcherite. At other times, they sound very almost like old Labour, pro-worker, pro-nationalisation, pro-reindustrialisation. And of course, at other times, some of them can sound pretty borderline racist. Borderline racist. how dare he how dare he that is despicable it is disgusting it shows you where the left is going to go and so this is my plea to nigel it's a genuine plea this is what they're doing to you so don't call your supporters alt-right don't call people white nationalists when you know they're not. Come on. Don't play

their games. This matters. It really matters. And all of this also doesn't help prove that Reform UK is more than a Farage cult. Align the new Tory Cambridgeshire mayor, Paul Briscoe. Briscoe, sorry, is pushing. Will they lose the next election to you, or do you think Reform UK will be the next government of this country? I don't think people tend to vote for protest parties at a general election. It's not a protest party anymore. It's a party of executive power, is it not? They've won 488, I think was the latest number of councils. That's more than a protest vote.

Peter, who's on their front bench? Who's going to be Home Secretary? Who would be Foreign Secretary? Who would be Defence Secretary? Who are these people? You know, look, end of the day, you know, it's a one-man cult of personality in Nigel Farage, and what do we do when people join cults? What's interesting to me too,

Boris Johnson has also seen the Rupert Lowe story as a potential weakness for Reform UK. This was from his column in the Daily Mail over the weekend. He said, I don't think the public will hand power to the newish third party, the one that was on zero when I was PM. What was it again? They kept changing their name, refund, relaunch, regurgitate. I mean, cheap shot, but whatever.

History teaches us that such ventures, no matter how temporarily exciting, do not last long in UK politics. They already seem to be squabbling among themselves, even though they have only a tiny handful in Parliament. I felt rather sorry for that chap, Rupert Lowe, who ended up with an ice pick in his bonce for offending the leadership. Now, when it comes to the choice in 2029, the electorate will know that there is only one party that will not just

be willing, but actually able to fix legal immigration by leaving the ECHR and bringing back the Rwanda scheme. I mean, clearly that's ludicrous. Clearly that's ludicrous, given what you did. But you see, it's a point of vulnerability, according to the Tories. And actually, even some Tories who are supportive of Reform UK want unity on the right. Check this out from Michael Fabricant. I actually really like this. He said, Reform has performed brilliantly. The general election is theirs to lose.

So no more fallouts with colleagues are failing. They must prove themselves as administrators now and have local government control and must develop broad and sensible policies for national government. And look, the great thing is for Reform UK is that the left remains far more divided than the right. Do you know the Labour lunatics are actually arguing that Slippery Starman needs to become even more extreme, even more socialist to win, which is a hilarious prospect, but one that has been pushed over the weekend by the Axe Transport Secretary Louise Haig and Diane Abbott. Watch.

Since we won the general election last year, we've done a series of actions which are the most painful for some of the most marginalised and poor communities. So for instance, we have not lifted the two child benefit on child tax allowance, which is the single biggest thing we could have done to deal with child poverty. We have cut the winter fuel tax allowance and now we're cutting benefits on the disabled. I think it's very alarming the direction we've taken. I hope that we will learn the lesson from what has happened last night and today. But if we don't, we are going to find ourselves in a very politically vulnerable position. And these aren't just knee-jerk votes.

These are votes that may not come back. Now, the biggest problem Slippery Starmer has is that he promised us this. You can now change the country for the better. And what do you do? You make promises you can't keep and don't really intend to keep. And you you don't do the change that's needed.

Because I feel very strongly if you if you're not going to deliver, if you're not going to keep your promises, don't bullshit. When we all know, Prime Minister, that it is you delivering bullshit and lies on a daily basis. Sir Nigel, of course, I believe he will most likely be Prime Minister in 2029. I first predicted that before the election last year. I just wish he wouldn't keep alienating large swaths of his base. Now, let me bring in today's superstar panel so brilliant to have them both back the sdp's new spokesperson uh for foreign affairs defense and security but of course a former leader of ukip and so much more hen Henry Bolton. And Alex Phillips, former spokeswoman at UKIP, former Brexit Party MEP, launch presenter on GB News, now on Substack. That's what she said. Okay, Alex, so you know we disagree on this point, but come on, please tell me if you were advising Nigel today, you would say, don't go on GB News

and call your former deputy leader who is half Pakistani alt-right. Like, come on. That's like a low blow. Yeah. You know, until you gave me a definition of alt-right, I didn't really know that alt-right meant a white nationalist. I just thought it meant the alternative on the right wing, quite frankly. And I didn't know that. I didn't really know that alt-right meant a white nationalist. I just thought it meant the alternative on the right wing, quite frankly. And I didn't know that. I don't know what the parameters of the definition are. But when it comes to Ben, look, I know Ben super well. I'm not particularly impressed with the way Ben has been behaving. There seems to be a big cup of bitterness that he wants to share around. Ben, it's a shame because Ben is such a brilliant performer. Ben's politics are in the right place.

He's a great communicator. But, you know, Ben isn't necessarily a team player. And I think that has been shown up. If Ben had won his seat in the general election, I think he'd be playing a very different tune. What I would say is, you know, yes, journalists are going to cajole you. They're going to encourage you. They're going to try and exaggerate any divisions or any personal fallings out. And I think the best thing to do is just offer sort of platitudes rather than look prickly about it.

But, you know, I don't really think that there's too much harm that's been done by this. I would rather Ben had stayed inside the tent doing the proverbial outwards than vice versa. And I think Nigel probably feels the same way. What about you, Henry Bolton? Where do you stand on this? Because of course, you were the leader of UKIP. So you've also worked very closely with Nigel. I think it was unwise. But I think the problem here actually isn't specifically Ben or Rupert or Nigel. What happens when you throw a team together as rapidly as reform have done? And bear in mind that although the heritage of the Reform Party does go back to UKIP,

then through the Brexit Party, which was then renamed as Reform, and some sort of changes at the top of the table all through the process. But essentially, Reform has amazingly sort of grown so fast that actually, well, when you grow that fast, you sacrifice your ability to ensure that you've got a tight team. You are always going to have, as I had when I inherited the leadership of UKIP, you have a whole bunch of cats that don't want to be herded. And in politics, you have people with strong opinions, strong characters and strong resolve. And if you don't ensure at the beginning that they're all signed up to a common sort of vision and direction,

then you are inevitably going to have these sort of problems. And reform still, and virtually no political party in Britain has done this, but reform as well still has not offered the nation a vision of where it wants to go. And as long as it doesn't do that, it is going to have, it's going to bring a whole people, bunch of people, it's not Nigel's fault, but it's going to bring a whole bunch of people together, sort of under the Nigel cult. You know, there are reform councillors now here down in Kent, who I have spoken to two of them, and they were both effectively saying, Oh, I met Nigel down the dog and duck last night. But they've got no clue as to where Nigel wants to go. They've got no clue as to reform policies, they simply want to stop immigration. And that's why they've stood.

So there is no policy or vision vision sort of coherence in reform at the moment and then i think final point on this is that nigel i i get on great with nigel on a certain level um but when you talk about specific opinions if you differ then he's he can be very very dismissive and for strong strong-willed characters who have great experience to offer I don't think that's the right form of management or leadership I think you need to bring them into the tent not ignore them if you don't like what they say which he does and I think you that happens, you need to make effort to bring them in. If you can't do that, then you need to have a serious conversation with them rather than let the whole thing fester. Alex, because you obviously know Nigel incredibly well, Alex,

you've worked with him for years, never fallen out with him on any level, although I should say I haven't either. How do you respond to this Tory claim? But actually, Henry's saying it too, that maybe Reform UK is the cult of Nigel. And is that a bit risky for a political party to be built around one man? Is it risky? Well, I suppose you'd have to ask yourself the question, if something happened to Nigel, what then would reform continue? And I think at this stage, it's there isn't a sort of, you know, obvious success or obvious successors. But that is simply down to the fact that in Nigel, there is a once in a lifetime, once in a generation leader, you know, the other political parties would tear off their limbs to have such a leader. The problem the Conservatives are facing is they have a leader

in Kemi Badenoff that hasn't lit up the room, that hasn't sort of brought inspirational droves of followers back to the course. And same really, frankly, with our Prime Minister. I mean, that's our ambassador on the world stage. And so what we have in Nigel is someone who, like I said, just doesn't come around very often. And so in the sort of shadow, the long shadow that the sort of presence of Nigel casts you do sort of think well who is waiting in the wings but it does you know Henry makes a really salient point well done Henry can I just say for pointing out that when you're a new party and you're developing and you're still sort of plastic and deciding where you're going to put your boundaries

and your parameters and how the look and feel of it's going to be, and you're like cobbling together a team, that it's a far weaker structure when there are disagreements and falling out than if you're a big legacy entity, almost an industry like the Conservative Party is. And, you know, we've seen the Conservative Party. Boris Johnson is interesting. He writes the article about, you know, Rupert Lowe with the ice pick in his bonce. Well, he's a former prime minister who firmly had an ice pick placed in his bonce. So, you know, in politics, this is often how it can go. It's a brutal cutthroat sport. It's very often all about clashing egos. And reform is going to have to manage those things as it develops and as it evolves. But the point is this, you know, politically reform has captured the mood of a nation. And yes, Henry's right, there isn't a

fully built out manifesto, there isn't all the sort of, you know, bits of ideology put in place, that it's a secured entity that we all know what all the policies are. But it's also true, as Henry says, that no other political party has that in place yet either. But when you're a small party and you're seeing the sort of huge successes that reform is now witnessing, the demand for that to happen and happen quickly is going to be greater. And so we've suddenly seen that this is an entity, a movement that has captured the mood of the nation. I don't think it's just a protest vote. I think there are people across the nation from Wales to Scotland to Northern Ireland to Great Grimsby to Clacton that are all saying, we think we found a new political home and we want a great amount of change. And so they're saying, yes, good. I finally want to go out and vote. I'm inspired.

But now what has to happen is that building out. What has to happen is the construction of an entity that looks like it can take government. And I have no doubt that people are working extremely hard behind the scenes to do that at reform. But the scale of the challenge when you haven't been around for the best part of 100 years, you haven't had branches around the country. You don't have think tanks that have been long established, serving you on a silver platter, what your policies might be fully researched, fully costed. The momentousness of what reform now have to do is unlike any other political party, frankly, in my lifetime, possibly in a century. Do I think reform can do it? Yes, I do. Do I think it's needed? Yes, it is. But let's not shy away from the scale of the challenge but it is

the circumstance that necessitates that someone new takes over looks at those things with completely fresh eyes it's now upon the party to deliver i dan if i may please i'm just gonna because i i want good god i want this country to succeed and i want it to finally have a government and we're going to be waiting till 2029 for it to happen. I don't think there's any chance of it happening before that. We're going to have a government in 2029 and God, you know, let it be a government that can govern. But I fear that unless, if that government is formed by reform and reform has not got,

has not placed a vision in front of the British people and said, this is where we are going. And there's political risk in that because a lot of people who are supporting reform won't like it because, you know, there are a whole bunch of cats in any political party that you've got to heard. That's part of the job of the leader. And, you know, some people won't like that vision, which is part of the reason why Nigel has never presented such a thing. It's about intent. It's

about goals. It's about objectives for Nigel, which is get out of the European Union. But it does seem actually quite clear to me at the moment, which is that we don't want to present ourself as a party to the right. We don't want to present ourselves as a party of Rupert Lowe's. We want to present ourselves as a party of the centre and encompassing the left, which is where I think that there will be problems, certainly with uniting the right. However, breaking right now, James O'Brien in meltdown over Nigel Farage's big win. And if there's anything to come out of last week's results that gives me joy, it's this. The Labour Broadcasting Company, as I now call LBC, has taken on the mantle of official media opposition to Reform UK, but it's their mid-morning presenter who seems to be in the midst of a monumental meltdown.

Watch. How has he managed to avoid responsibility for all of the stuff that he's ushered in? I mean, he repeatedly demonstrates himself. He repeatedly shows himself to be either not very bright in terms of the Liz Truss moment, not very patriotic in terms of the Vladimir Putin moment, and not very right in terms of Brexit. and I think it allowed me to suggest that I demonstrated how easy it is to show him for exactly what he is so much so that of course his own publicist dragged him out of the studio by his jacket lapels

sorry we have an agreement about timing you've massively this is Patrick O'Flynn UKIP's director of communications and former political commentator on the Daily Express how can somebody whose track record is so obviously hideous enjoy support, enjoy any support,

but crucially with Farage, not bear any responsibility for the things that he's actually done? I mean, he just makes my skin crawl on so many levels. Firstly, having to flash back to that clip from 2014. Also, the way he can't pronounce his last name correctly, it infuriates me all. And we will get analysis from our superstar panel, Alex Phillips and Henry Bolton, in just one minute.

But first, I have to show you, because this has made me laugh so much, Dapper Laughs, brilliant cancelled comedian who is doing the best work of his career, sums up James O'Brien so perfectly here good morning I'm taking calls from you knuckle dragging chip shop loving peasants yes you you reform voting pie gobbling idiots who've been duped by none other than and I've got to be careful when I say his name because I get a twinge in my tweed trousers that I can't tell is a semi

or a bit of piss coming out, but by Nigel Farage, that pint-guzzling fag-chomping, ruddy-cheeked swindler. I'm James O'Brien, LBC's beacon of brilliance. And I'm utterly flummoxed, flummoxed that you councillors state oiks

with your one-toilet slums of cheering reforms win. I mean, I'd hardly call it a win. A by-election in Labour's safest seat, two mayors, ten councillors and over 600 councils. But how dare you? How dare you working class scum voice your opinion? And Alex, isn't this the brilliant thing? Like the left, the mainstream media, they're just repeating the same mistakes of Brexit all over again. You're just too stupid. What are you thinking? They don't get it, do they? And I think it's

actually going to be wonderful to watch the downfall of the establishment mainstream media at the same time as the Uniparty. Isn't it funny looking at James O'Brien, how about five years ago, 10 years ago, he was on the button. And there were huge amounts of people who thought he was genius and funny and ever so witty for putting down the rights and saying he knows best on politics. And yet time has proven him wrong. And how archaic and out of date he looks now, how like yesterday's man he seems um you know the world has changed irrevocably irrevocably in the last few months in the last couple of years and people like james o'brien are very much the has-beens they're going to wake up one day and suddenly realize actually they better change tack or

they're going to end up in the dustbin of history he's always been sneak like sneering and snide he deliberately mispronounces Farage as Farage. You know, this is kind of his ploy. This is pathetic, isn't it? This is what he does. And, you know, he's earned some big bucks over the years doing it. Let's see how long his star in broadcasting continues in the skies, because I just kind of feel like it's now,

it just seems so gratingly out of touch with where the public is at, particularly considering the recent reform results. Totally. Henry Bolton, your take? The most unpleasant, obnoxious grating. That was a great word there, Alex. Grating individual that I think exists in British broadcasting anywhere at any level. No, he's a horrible piece of work.

But I would argue that actually he might be, you know, representing an era that is on its way out of the door. I do hope so. But there are a great many people who simply think this is an aberration, who are arrogant enough not to listen to the British people. And if they do, to think that the British people don't know what's good for them. These are people who have continually for decades now called people who are concerned about the mass immigration, about the small boats and so on, the crime levels and so on. And the police officers taking the knee. They have called such people, you know, idiots.

They've called them far rights. They've called them racists. They've called them little Englanders. And O'Brien is one of these people who does that. And but they genuinely I think they genuinely believe it in their little bubbles, in their little communities, in their little wine bars or wherever they are. You know, if they've got any friends to drink with, they they sincerely believe this. And I think that is going to be a problem going forward because this country needs to unite. And and somehow we've got to, there was a time, which the three of us will remember not so long ago, where actually people who were idiots were just ignored by society. Now we tend to give people like O'Brien airtime.

I'm not trying to sort of stop him having his opinion. He can have his opinion, but we talk about him. We're going to talk about another character later on, I think, who I think we should just ignore, but we talk about him. We're going to talk about another character later on, I think, who I think we should just ignore. But we don't. We actually let them feed this beast of division. It's not a bad point. It's not a bad point, is it?

But it's always that fundamental question that if you ignore them, then they can also take hold. So it's sort of like you're damned if you do damned if you don't but i'm loving the way that andrea jenkins the new mayor of lincolnshire i'm loving how she and i think actually she's a great example of what reform uk can do especially if it's a candidate who's quite empowered and i'm loving she's just taking on the msm a bit like marjorie uh taylor green in the us so she posted over the weekend, tents not rents. We're creating an environment where economic illegal migrants, mainly men, are coming to Britain because we provide them with accommodation and other benefits. This must stop.

We need to make it difficult to stop this pull towards Britain. Now, that's something that the vast majority of the country agrees with. But it's something that if you say on LBC, the Labour Broadcasting Company, they are genuinely stunned, like they are horrified. majority of the country agrees with but it's something that if you say on lbc the labour broadcasting company they are genuinely stunned like they are horrified but what i love is andrea still braved the lewis goodall show you know he's the worst of the three fake news agents i think which is saying something actually is he worse than millie maitland maybe first equal uh but anyway she held her ground she held her ground. She held her ground. Watch this. At a local level and eventually, God willing, when we get into government.

I suppose that the point would be in terms of, it's quite a divisive thing to say, isn't it? The idea that we're teaching children to hate their own country without any evidence for it. Well, you're asking me about the evidence. I haven't seen the article, so I can't comment on that, can I? You probably need to ask Zia what his evidence is. So I think the issue is with mainstream media, they see everything as divisive when you just call out their rubbish. So I'm sorry, but, you know know it's right that we challenge these things i was brought up in a working class background lewis and to love our queen at the time our country and to actually do your best um in life be kind and do your best in the community and these are principles this is why nigel you know he's really um tapped into something here it's about community it's about families and it's about our country

and these are the three things that you know i think young people should be taught is what is important i love that she just wouldn't back down including on the issue of housing illegal migrants in tents. Why should the British people be putting people in hotels out of their own pocket when they work so hard? You'd be content, as the Mayor of Great Ellington, if there are roads with people in with tents,

you're content with that? It's got to be a confined area. I mean, I have to say, this isn't a report policy. If there were I have to say this isn't a result of policy. And if there were children? If there were children, should they be in tents? The fact is we've got to stop the pull to Britain with this. And why are we paying these millions and millions of pounds to France when people come from a safe country such as France to come here?

We should be sending them back to France. So if there were children in Lincolnshire, unaccompanied migrants, and they were in tents on the roadside, your message is okay. Well, how are they going to get here in the first place? I know, but once they are here, if they're in a tent,

that's okay with you. What percentage is actually children? Look, the majority of them is actually, but the majority is economic migrants, Lewis. They've got the mobile phones. It's usually young men who come across. And we've got to stop this pull to Britain. And during the campaign, most reformed candidates were quite scared. I'm not sure if you agree with me, but I think there was a real desire to avoid giving the media anything that could be used against Reform UK on a national level. But I just love Andrea. She is calling a spade a spade.

And I think this is the way to deal with the MSM. Do you? Yeah, I think Andrea has. Oh, my gosh, she's impressed me. I love her. She's exactly she's the woman that you want to go to the pub with. She's fun. She's brave. She's also a single mum herself from a working class background. She's utterly stupendous. And she's also a team player and she gets politics. And this is why she is just such a beautiful fit for Reform UK.

And it's a tragedy and it's a great sadness to me that other people who could have been great stars within the party haven't really understood how this is a collegiate enterprise, that you have to work together, pull together, agree on a party line, stick to it, not decide to be maverick, not to decide that your vision for the party is better and then put it in national newspapers. That cannot work in the long time if you're going to be a party of government. But Andrea has just, I mean, she looks so gorgeous when she accepted her new title of the mayor of Lincolnshire in that gorgeous sequined dress. I mean, I just, she has just filled my heart with joy because she's it. She is it. She is exactly what Reform UK is about. Real, authentic people who are coming together as a board family with optimism, with joy, with that message of community, family, country, and pulling together against all odds to do something phenomenal and change the country.

This isn't the time for egos. This isn't the time for let perfection be the enemy of the good. This isn't the time for we need to go faster, harder, you know, go down this avenue or that avenue, because like Nigel says, X isn't the real world. This is the time for strategy because there is so much at stake. And I've said this before on your programme. And I said to you, didn't I, that, you know, let's see how it plays out in the locals. This is what reform are playing for. The proof in the pudding is in the eating and look at those results it works because politics is also about empirical evidence it's about doing the thing i know and and you cannot question the results absolutely not and what you cannot question henry either is this mainstream media meltdown i mean did you see this from the financial times over the weekend that literally posted an unwelcome surge of right wing populism in Britain.

And Winston Marshall responded to that saying the mainstream media elites can't hide their disdain for ordinary people. Instead of trying to understand their concerns, they write them off with derogatories like right wing populism. I have nothing but contempt for them. Could you believe the FT just decided to dismiss this all as an unwelcome surge of right-wing populism? I can, Dan, because it refers back to what I said earlier. There are people in this country, in the media, in politics, commentators and so on who actually genuinely believe that they are right that the nation is wrong and that reform which is listening to the nation is also wrong um but i think also um i'm going to be a little bit sort of party political forgive me but

because this is a this is something that nigel needs to be careful of and reform. I mean, this family community country thing, that actually, pardon me for saying it, becomes it has been the strapline of the SDP for years now. And in June last year, May, June last year, when the SDP and reform did agree, I think it was six seats to come to sort of a little bit of an electoral sort of agreement, just as a sort of, you know, as a feeler, if you like. Then Richard Tice became aware of this and then, blow me down, the next next month, Nigel's throwing it out there as as reform's thing. And the idea that reform is the only party doing X

or the only party doing Y is itself divisive. And I think when it comes to uniting the right, as people say, I've been all for it. I've tried to do it and encourage it wherever I could. But actually the obstacle is with reform. Yes, because I guess Nigel would now say, though, we don't need you. We don't need you you kept and that may well be true but i would argue you still need the people and that is the point it's not necessarily about the

party it's it's about the people and don't dismiss people who are your base. That's my concern. That's my concern, because I think what we saw with Trump was this brilliant way of bringing the base together. Lucy Powell, the leader of the House, a member of Slippery Starmer's cabinet, really let the cat out the bag over the weekend in the most despicable way. I mean, this woman is grim on so many levels. Do you remember this? She was the one who proudly wore the t-shirt, never kissed a Tory. And over the weekend, in a head-to-head with Tim Montgomery, a Reform UK supporter who was actually totally kind to her and being anything but difficult during this Any Questions appearance. She revealed the truth

of how the Labour Party view the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. Despite this being, I believe, the worst cover-up in modern British history, despite this actually being one of the worst scandals in British history, the whole-scale rape and abuse of thousands and thousands of mainly white working-class girls covered up by the police, covered up by the establishment, covered up by our politicians. Despite that, Lucy Powell believes this issue is simply a dog whistle for racism. It's sick, and yet Slippery Starmer has stood by her. Now, in case you missed it over the weekend, this was the exchange that took place on Radio 4. If anyone who saw the documentary on Channel 4 about rape gangs... Oh, we want to blow that little trumpet now, do we?

There was a real issue... Let's get that dog whistle out, shall we? Where council... Look... The councils, there were so many people who were so afraid for good can I just finish the point just for one minute look there were so many people in local government in the authorities who for good

reasons were worried about upsetting community tensions that those girls went undefended now there were good reasons but no one has still been brought to justice for that. You tell me, Lucy, that this isn't a culture in local government. It's just not

true. I'm sorry. You're sick in the head. Lucy Powell, you are sick in the head. I really mean that. Because for that to be your response, the whole scale, oh, I just... Sick in the head. Anyway, it's a political issue for her now that's

all it is she meant what she said she meant every word of what she said but to keep her job and starmer's administration she issues a hostage video apology on x which has one of the most shocking ratios of any post on x i've ever seen, where she wrote, in the heat of discussion on any questions, I would like to clarify that I regard issues of child exploitation and grooming with the utmost seriousness. I'm sorry if this was unclear. I was challenging the political points going around it, not the issue itself. As a constituency MP, I've dealt with horrendous cases. This government is acting to get the truth and deliver justice. Well, I'm sorry, Alex Phillips, as well as being morally reprehensible, she's also a liar, because that was not what she was saying,

was it? No, she was the one actually using it for political point scoring in that. Tim was raising a very valid point, and she immediately wanted to dismiss his concerns, his very valid concerns, his concerns that have been borne out, in fact, as some sort of dog whistle racism. It's utterly abhorrent. But the thing is, what you've got to understand, Dan, is people like Lucy Powell have had the world going in their direction and working their way, this censorious world where issues are silenced and people's lives are sacrificed at the altar of diversity and inclusion and equity. She's had it her way for so, so long that they think they can just getting away with it. They think they can carry on playing the same tune and everyone's going to be forced to dance to it, as we have been for decades now. But the world has woken up. The world has said enough of this. The scales have fallen away from our eyes. We can see what's gone on. We can see what has contributed to what has gone on. And it's actually people like you within the Labour Party, especially on the left wing of government, who have actually caused these

cover-ups, caused the silencing, created taboo out of subjects that really needed to be disinfected in the clear light of day. And we're still not having those discussions. You know, when I watched that Channel 4 documentary, as brave and as necessary as it was, and round of applause for pointing out that the vast majority of grooming cases or rape gang cases were being perpetrated by Pakistani Muslims, with the caveat, of course, that this isn't just a Pakistani thing. We didn't actually discuss the underlying cultural issues.

There was still no nod to the fact that this isn't about someone being British Pakistani. This is about people belonging to a religion where some adherents, I'm not saying all by any stretch, but some adherents regard women who are not of the faith as easy game, as chattel, as potential slaves. We are still not having that conversation. And unless we can- 100%. 100%. Without the liberty pals screaming, we're not going to resolve anything.

100%. Now, look, just before you come in, Henry, I want to show you what Tim Montgomery responded, because he was obviously the person who sparked that discussion. And he posted on X, I'm sorry, Lucy, but this is a Trumpian distortion of what happened last night. I say Trumpian because listeners can hear for themselves what I began to say and how you crassly interrupted. I was explaining why oversensitivity to community racial cohesion, albeit well-motivated, relative to other social goals like community or especially child protection was not a peripheral issue, which you claimed, but has been distorting local government and other public services for far too long. You were the one who rushed to play the race card against me. You seem to have learned absolutely nothing from the politically correct cancel culture that silenced the people who tried to whistleblow about grooming. And then he elaborated on sly news yesterday. Watch. It's a mistake that Labour keep making, the left keep making. You've actually personally been quite good at jabbing the left on this and have an authority on it. But there's been a tendency, and it's gone on for too long now,

to close all sorts of important debates down by throwing that racist charge at people. And I think people have had enough of it. I think they feel that it is a stifling of debate. And in the context of grooming gangs, an issue of such consequence, I think it was clearly ill-judged by Lucy Powell. But I think she was keen to have a very strong go at reform, and I was the representative of reform that night. But unfortunately, the words she chose have wider resonance. And I think the only trouble she'll... if she really is going to get in trouble, it would be if survivors come out in larger numbers and object to what she said.

And there have been. Look at this, Henry, from Sammy Woodhouse, the amazing Sammy Woodhouse, who is a victim, has done so much work on the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. She simply said, get her sacked. So there is outrage from survivors. And still Labour don't give a damn. Henry, still they don't care. She's in her job. No issues.

They don't care. They are blind to the fact that the reason they got an absolute drumming from reform in these local elections is because of exactly this attitude. They have failed to listen to the British public over and over again. And this is possibly the most serious thing. Taxes, you know, national insurance hikes and so on, that's money. This is people's lives directly that are being affected by this. And still, Labour will not listen. And I think the thing is that, yes, you know, Alex was right on the money there. You know, they've had it their way for so long, but it goes deeper than that. I think psychologically they cannot. They have their entire political career, their entire political activism and their their campaigning and so on,

has all been based on this division that they have fostered. And Tim is right that they have closed down the opposition by giving it labels such as racist and so on. And I think they have had their own way for so long that they cannot, they simply psychologically can't go to another space. They can't even challenge their own thoughts. And I think that is highly dangerous. And my prediction is that they can't, they will not be able to take themselves out of that rut and look at the world from a different perspective. And we think that the Conservative Party maybe was on the way out.

Nigel said repeatedly that he wanted to annihilate and destroy the Tory party. A lot of people would like to see that happen, I know. But I think it's going to be Labour that actually are decimated by this. We could see both political parties changing, those two parties, Labour and Conservatives, changing radically. Because if they don't, they're going to disappear and they are going to incur the hatred, not just the disdain and the wish to get rid of, but the absolute hatred of the British people if they haven't already got it because of this sort of behaviour.

Very true. Well, I mean, as Alison Pearson pointed out, Alex Phillips, a tale of two Lucys. Lucy Connolly, mum and beloved childminder, jailed for 31 months for a nasty mistake, which she swiftly deleted. Lucy Powell, Labour MP, made a nasty mistake down playing raped white girls. No consequences to tear care. Do you agree? Yeah, it's 100 percent that. And this is shifting now. But, you know, Alison Pearson, goddess that she is, has been really championing the story of Lucy Connolly, which is very easy to think that was news that, you know, happened before 2025 and a woman's in jail and let's just forget about it.

But this is a woman who had lost a child, unimaginable, brutal murder of three little girls, wrote something on Facebook for all of about two hours before then. She went, oh, gosh, maybe I, you know, sort of said something out of turn and deleted it and is now festering in prison, not even allowed visitation rights. It is an absolute abrogation. It is a stain on our judicial system that that has taken place. There should be people marching in the streets about this. There should be people protesting and campaigning about this. And yet people on the left can say all sorts of things. They can throw about accusations. They can actually. This is VE Day, Dan. This is the day that we remember the Second World War. And I thought your testimony about your grandparents was so touching and so moving and made everything so palpable and so real on this day. And when people on the left chuck about terms like Nazi and fascist with zero consequence to try and shut down debates when they are the ones who are being censorious it breaks my heart this goes to the very root of what has so what has gone wrong so badly so badly

in western culture particularly in britain and actually when alison pearson puts those things side by side calls it the tale of two lucys and we realize that this is about people using language writing something perhaps regretting it afterwards because of the misinterpretation because of the consequences of what people took from what they said and one is in prison for 32 months and one just you know might have a pretty bad day under the media spotlight um and yet the one who has just a pretty bad day under the media spotlight is the one who carries responsibility because she's in the party of government. It's shocking and it breaks my heart.

It does. I mean, it breaks my heart too, without any doubt. I do wonder though, if what you're saying, Alex Phillips, does prove that this is the raw politics that will drive Reform UK into number 10 Downing Street. Because when you think about it, this is a pox on both their houses when it comes to the rape gang scandal. And we know Labour are not going to do a thing about it in power because of the Islam issue. Now, the Prince Harry issue has really exploded over the weekend.

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the palace is after Prince Harry made a succession of claims to the British Bashing Corporation about his security, including claiming that members of the royal family and members of the political elite actually wanted to put him at risk, and that as a result, it was in his words, quote, an establishment stitch up. Watch. I have had it described to me once people knew about the facts that this is an old fashioned, good old fashioned establishment stitch up. And that's what it feels like. Absolute joke. So not a surprise that the British public and actually all of the mainstream media have finally had enough. The Mail on Sunday splashing on this bombshell new poll that says the public now feel exactly how I have for many years. Just strip them of their HRH titles all together.

Let me bring in my superstar panel now, Alex Phillips and Henry Bolton. Henry, you are obviously a security and defence expert. Do you believe at all what Harry is saying? Because if this were true, if what he was saying to the BBC were actually true, that would be an extraordinary turn of events, that members of Harry's own family, his father and brother, were conspiring with the British government and the British security services to put him at risk because for some reason they want to take him out. It's nuts, isn't it? It's absolutely nuts, Dan. I've worked with the security services. I've worked with the security services i've worked with the police i know people who've

been in in close protection for the metropolitan police and other police forces it's absolutely it is nuts um and and harry if you happen to be listening which he's probably not look you know um have a have a cup of coffee and take a holiday and and think about this seriously because you are talking absolute rubbish um the the fact of the matter is that um there are very few members of the royal family who get full-time protection um they are it is provided to working royals on a on a case-by-case basis depending on what their their their what events they're attending and so on um but um the idea that he should, he's in any way different is absolutely false and wrong. And the idea, I mean, the King has, you know, his audience with the

Prime Minister, and there are contacts at all sorts of levels of government, including security. But the idea that the King could influence his majesty's government in making decisions as to what the risk and the threat is to the national interest, which is why these people get security. It's not for a prestige thing, as Harry seems to think. The idea that the king could really influence that is for the birds. The government and the security services make the decisions on that not the king although in theory i suppose he could order that it happened but i

think i mean yes but he wouldn't i mean number one he wouldn't and number two it's nuts to suggest that he would now alex phillips in terms of this poll right i'm not surprised the british people have had enough and i just want to show you something before you weigh in. So Megan's Mole posted, King Charles should grant Prince Harry's wish since he hates the UK so much and considers California home. And they actually put together a bit of a compilation showing that Prince Harry for some time

has actually had disdain for his own country. Watch this. You know, it's something I'd love to do. And now i've had the chance once i'm i suppose i've got quite into it um and at the end of the day if you join the army you expect to go on operations i don't want to sit around at windsor because um i just generally don't like england that much and you know it's nice to be away from all the press and the papers and the general shite that they write you You know, home for me now is, you know, for the time being,

it's in the States. And it feels that way as well. Does it? Yeah. We've been welcomed with open arms. And it's got such a great community up in Santa Barbara. So you feel like that's home more for you? Yeah.

Is that weird to say? No, but I'm sure it'll become a thing. So Alex Phillips, just go. Just go. Like, why are you coming back? You don't want your father to see his own grandkids. You don't want your grandkids to come to the country at all. Why do you want them in the line of succession?

Why do you want to keep on using your royal titles? Just go. And I'm sorry, I know he's going through so much at the moment alex with his health but i think charles needs to listen to his eldest son now william who says when i become king they're out the titles are stripped everything's gone who cares if it needs an act of parliament it would actually probably be one of the most popular bills in the public to ever go through Parliament, right? Surely it's time, Alex. This is the thing. He did just go, didn't he? He chose to be a private citizen of another country that isn't the United Kingdom. And it may have

escaped Harry's attention because I don't think he's particularly bright. But in the United Kingdom, where there is no written constitution, the monarchy remains the head of state. And so you can't be one foot in, one foot out, in as much as you can't say, I'm going to be a citizen of America and live over in Montecito, and the highest judges of the land are saying, look, this is the legal implication of what you are demanding, which is essentially to hire the police in the United Kingdom and ask them to bear arms where normally they do not do so. You're essentially setting a case precedence for Beyonce to do that or Taylor Swift or Kanye West or whoever else might say, I'm a high profile citizen and there's a grudge against me that I are a toller of Iran. You know, you cannot say just because I was born into this family, I deserve this when you've chosen to leave that institution. Now, I have some sympathy in as much as Harry didn't ask to be born a royal and have,

you know, a childhood in a fishbowl with the terrible thing that happened to his mother and all the psychological consequences therein. But at the same time, if you have chosen to leave what is a constitutional monarchy, you cannot then demand to have the privileges that only the most senior people within that family are granted at the behest of the government of the taxpayer um and you know it is quite sad really but it's sad it is sad because i mean look it's sad on so many levels but i also actually think it's worrying now because this is depths of delusion being plumbed. And the fact that we now have the royal family actually briefing that to the Daily Telegraph, their newspaper, is quite something. But just to set it up, to show that I'm not making this up, here is one of those moments where Harry, I think, is just proving he's been living in a bubble.

He's almost got Stockholm syndrome with Meghan Markle and she's pumping these lies into his head and he regurgitates clear nonsense. What the court decided today was that they were justified for four reasons to not have that review. And a major part of that is because you're no longer a working royal, a change in your status. Do you not accept that from the court? Well, my status hasn't changed. It can't change. I am who I am.

I am part of what I'm part of, and I can never escape that. My circumstances will always be the same. But with a specific answer to the question, there are comparisons that exist. And again I have to be careful what I say but I think it would be quite shocking for the British public and the public at large to understand or know that, in fact, many people do know this, that people who leave public office receive lifetime protection, regardless of whether there are threats or risks to them. And so in response to these mad claims, Prince Harry, in the Daily Telegraph has been accused of losing touch with reality. And again, I stress

this is a big deal. The Daily Telegraph is the newspaper, the Royal Family. They report the Duke of Sussex has simply lost touch with reality by giving a scorched earth interview to the BBC. It has been claimed. A palace insider has alleged that the King's aides view the Duke's interview on Friday as proof that he doesn't get the message. The interview was understood to have deepened the rift between Buckingham Palace and the Duke and his wife, Meghan the Duchess of Sussex, with a peace between the two sides more distant than ever. It is now claimed that a senior courtier labelled the Duke deluded for thinking that airing the family's private affairs on national television could bring about a reconciliation. The insider said Harry has simply lost touch with reality. The

man doesn't get the message. His father has avoided all his efforts for the last few years to speak on the phone or try to get messages to him through various circles. This TV moment shows his desperation and refusal to accept any responsibility for attacks on the Royal's attempts to undermine the institution and vicious claims about racism and bullying. One of Charles's team labelled him deluded for thinking a media interview quite clearly poking at his father and brother could force any talks. They added if Harry reckoned going scorched earth was a clever move, he was foolish. The insider also said the irony of the Duke using the media to seemingly criticise the royal family was not lost on the palace. The very arena of the media,

which he has bemoaned for years, is the same platform he utilises to seemingly hurt his father by saying things like Charles may not be long for this world, as well as other disrespectful accusations. The irony is not wasted on anyone within courtier circles and senior royals which means Prince William and Prince Harry and Henry I'm really interested actually too about the fact that Harry just seems to be everything that we don't want a royal to be because we know that working royals have gone through serious security threats in the past but they do not talk about it it's that keep calm and carry on uh situation and i was really struck by this post on x from fee over the weekend who posted this directly to harry she called him h because that's what megan calls him And she wrote, H, take a look

here at your late grandmother on a 19-year-old horse, Burmese, when six shots were fired at her from a man in the crowd. She remained incredibly calm, managed to keep her horse in check and just carried on as if nothing had happened. You obviously didn't inherit her stoic, brave, courage in adversity gene, preferring to sulk and whine and complain because you're unreasonable and imagined demands aren't being met. You aren't fit to lace her boots. And it is just worth looking at that incredible historic moment where this assassination attempt did take place against the queen and how she reacted to the queen on burmese 19 year old horse carried on all the birthday parade since 1969 burmese's biggest test came during trooping the color in 1981 when six gunshots were fired at the queen from the crowd it happened just before 11 as the queen moved towards horse guards parade

for the start of Trooping the Colour. Six shots were fired. The Queen's horse, Burmese, was startled, but the Queen controlled him. A guardsman grappled with a man, helped by onlookers, as police rushed in from all directions to make an arrest. Astonishingly, the Queen and Burmese continued the parade as though nothing had happened. Look at her. A little pat and on we go. That's the greatest generation. But actually, King Charles, then Prince Charles,

also dealt incredibly calmly with an assassination attempt. It happened as Prince Charles was being introduced to the crowd at Darling Harbour. There were two shots. The attacker came within a metre of the prince, the New South Wales Premier, among those who grabbed him. Eyewitnesses say the man has aged in his late 20s and tripped as he rushed on stage. The Australia Day celebration continued afterwards,

the prince unhurt, and he made no comment on the incident. And as, according to Taz, posted on this, King Charles' assassination attempt, keep calm, carry on. Princess Anne actually fought off her gun-wielding would-be kidnapper, who'd already shot two people and yelled, not bloody likely, when he asked her to let him in the car to grab her. She still doesn't have 24-7 security. And I think it is so important to just look at those moments of history and contrast the behaviour of those royals with Harry. Henry Bolton, I mean, it couldn't be any more extreme. It couldn't. And Dan, thank you for bringing up those three examples, because it illustrates

not only the gulf between the senior members of the royal family and Prince Harry but also really the sort of stoicism that I think this country has been in the past famous for and I think that we should rediscover but that's a different topic perhaps. Look I Harry has been around the Raw family for long enough and around police protection for long enough and served in the armed forces for long enough to know the things that we are talking about. Delusional, yes, but why?

And I'm going to stick my neck out here. And I think he's got issues. He's the younger brother he's it's happened before where the the younger brother to the air to the throne has has felt a little bit sidelined although they're not um but i get all of that but generally they work through it um in this case harry has fallen in with megan markle and I have to say that this comes across to me as a little bit. I wonder how much she's pulling her strings, his strings. Oh, totally.

She absolutely is. A bit more blunt than me. But I think she's been a narcissist who is in this for herself. And I think that he is being fed these lines. Well, when you do this interview, you need to say this and you need to tell your father that. And you need to take this to court because this is wrong and that's wrong. And we should have this and we should have that.

And you should have such and such. I think that's a lot of that is vulnerable anyway, as I say. But I think that that's probably the cause behind this. And I would say to Harry, you have you held your mother's commission in the armed forces. You have come from a long line of people who have stood by this country thick and thin. Think, for example, of your grandfather, King George VI, who was, sorry, your great-grandfather, who was an ill man and still did his duty. Your grandmother, the same thing. Your father is doing much the same thing. You are not. You are letting yourself down. You are letting your nation down. You are letting the British people down. And you need, if your wife is actually telling you to do

these things, you need to face that reality. It's going to be difficult for you, but you're going to have to do the right thing, or you're going to be pilloried for it for the rest of your life. Very well put. Alex Phillips, can I just make, we'll just ask you a final thing on this, because there was some outrage that the BBC, the British Fashion Corporation, used this interview to push Reform UK's big political win off the top of the news agenda on Friday. Ian Dale posted on X, on a day of huge political news, the BBC News at 10 leads with an interview of Prince Harry by someone who isn't even from the BBC. I wonder how much they paid for it. The first 12 minutes of the programme was devoted to a quite astonishing news judgment. And Dan Hodges added, BBC dropping that explosive Prince Harry interview slap bang into the middle of the local election results day is a strange editorial decision and one that will delight number 10. Alex Phillips, that felt weird, right? It felt like the BBC was actually trying to stop in its tracks the non-stop coverage of Reform UK and Nigel Farage's big election win.

I wouldn't give the BBC so much credit to think there was a strategy behind it. I think what it serves to show is, and I got this when I was touring the news studios on Friday, being asked to give commentary on those local election results, which is they still talked about everything in the framework of the two legacy parties, looked at reform as a sort of aberration, a protest vote. You've got in the BBC a corporation that is entirely staffed by metropolitan elites who probably don't give a fig about local elections, frankly. They don't care about potholes in the road. They don't care about how local communities feel about immigration. They don't care or notice that there is this huge tidal wave of change, not just engulfing Britain, but that has engulfed Europe. They still look on results that have taken place. I mean, Romania today, for example, what's going on in the AFD in Germany. I mean, across Europe,

across the West as a whole, they still think it's some sort of strange blip that can be explained away and ignored. And most people there are so snooty that we've got this brilliant exclusive with Prince Harry. Isn't it great? We've got him talking about stuff from California. Yeah, that's our lead story. We're going to run with that because who cares about local elections? Not many elections were happening. Most have been cancelled. Again, the BBC never actually offered any comment on the fact that we're living in a country that has offered sitting councils to not have to face the ballot box. I mean, what does that say about democracy? But this is just the way these people's brains are wired up.

You know, it's all about the dinner party discussions. It's not about what matters to Mr. and Mrs. Jones on the street. I don't think there's a strategy. I don't think they sat there and thought, I'm going to push down the local election results to the bottom of the run order. They're just thinking like all of their cohort think. Very well put. Do you agree, Henry? I absolutely agree. And this has gone on for years now.

It's gone on for at least two decades, I think, and it has just grown deeper and deeper. And these these people, you know, they talk about privileged elite. They are the privileged elite. They sit there, this urban liberal sort of, you know, intelligentsia who think they're above everybody else. And that is why reform has done so well in these elections. It is because people like that look down their noses at everybody else and they don't understand what is important to the ordinary people who live real lives throughout most of the country and i think it is it's i'm glad that reform did so well because i hope that it's it's it's a poke in the eye for these people indeed at the end of the uni party exactly will look lovely to end on a positive note of agreement what an amazing superstar panel

alex phillips who of course you can find on Substack. That's what she said. And Henry Bolton, congratulations on your new senior role at the SDP, now their spokesperson for foreign affairs, security and defence. Now, lots of comments coming in from you on this, of course. James McBride writes, the reason reform did so well in the local elections was because they U-turned on deportations. Let's see if he means it. Evie Blue wrote, Farage has to be Mr. Big and he gets rid of anybody who looks better than him. His ego is too big. And from Ariella,

only good point of reform when is O'Brien having a mental breakdown. That we can all agree with. Okay, Union Jack has great expression time. Your nominees, Prince Harry, nominated by Anna Island for what we've just discussed. Lucy Powell, nominated by Barnack, won the vile dismissal of rape gang inquiry when she was called for one in opposition. And true 59 blue, Chris Philp, he's the Tory shadow Home Secretary. He just doesn't get it. As far as this generation is concerned, the Conservatives have finished allowing the party to be taken over by woke wits who will never be forgiven. And interesting results. Chris Philp, I didn't think he'd go particularly well.

He'll be delighted with this. Just 2%. Just 2%. But then it was a two-horse race. The runner-up, Prince Harry, with 39% of the vote. But after her despicable comments, today's Union Jack has great choice. I support this fully. Lucy Powell. And there can only be one Greatest Britain Today, nominated by at Slim Douglas. And thank you for

this. All of those World War II veterans, there is one of them alongside Catherine, and there are those historic scenes of the past. We're moving to Substack now for the uncancelled after show. We're teaming up with the Royal News Network for all of the analysis of the outrage emanating from the palace over that Prince Harry interview. Please do join us www.outspoken.live sign up and you will receive the uncancelled after show first every day but we're back tomorrow live 5 p.m uk time midday eastern 9 a.m pacific hit subscribe if you're watching on youtube or rumble and most importantly i promise to keep fighting for you