Dan Wootton Outspoken - Outrage as Prince Harry accepts Pat Tillman award against mum's wishes & Biden's meltdown | OPTSPOKEN EP 6

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

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No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wootten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number six. And breaking overnight, shameless Prince Harry has accepted the Pat Tillman Award at the ESPYs against the wishes of Pat Tillman's own mother. And you're not going to believe it. He even had the cheek to reference her in his acceptance speech. Especially Mrs. Mary Tillman, Pat's mother. Her advocacy for Pat's legacy is deeply personal and one that I respect. The bond between a mother and son is eternal and transcends even the greatest losses.

Meghan Markle's sister is here to react to that very shortly. And remember to sign up for our uncancelled after show. This is where we come off big tech to truly unleash and I get to speak to you. And I'm very excited to say that Samantha Markle will be our guest for the entire after show tonight. She can answer your questions too. So to join us, all you need to do is visit www.outspoken.live right now. Click the sign up button and you will get 30 minutes extra content completely uncensored every single day. And by the way, if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble right now, please do subscribe and turn on your notifications because we are with you every weekday.

Also coming up on the show, Joe Biden's pathetic collapse and why it means you can never trust the mainstream media again. Plus, I'll show you how the British MSM, led by Beth Rigby of Sly News, is giving slippery stammer the Joe Biden treatment. Our question of the day, which you can vote for within our YouTube post section, who will Democrats install to replace the doddery president? Your options, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg and Meghan Markle, plus Conservative MP Andrew Rosendale and the outgoing House of Commons Tory right winger Tom Hunt react to the latest in the party's growing civil war as Robert Jenrick makes his pitch to lead the party. Then of course the after show with Samantha Markle. Remember to sign

up right now at www.outspoken.live. Let's go! Goodness me, it was absolutely insane what happened last night, wasn't it? I was watching live and was very, very shocked by the scenes that we were seeing. Because this man, and you know exactly who I'm talking about, should not be leading the free world. But I want to be very clear here. The Joe Biden meltdown is the fault of the MSM and a massive lesson on why we can no longer trust so-called journalists to hold the liberal elite and establishment figures to account. Now, I was calling out Biden as dementia plagued and senile. I used those words on my GB News show two years ago. So for the American MSM that are around the sky every day to say they didn't know is laughable. Biden is unwell, incompetent and not in charge. He has been hiding in plain sight, which makes yesterday's disastrous introduction of Zelensky and that press conference

afterwards further proof that the 24th Amendment should be urgently enacted, making, and I can't believe this, Kamala Harris president. Here's a reminder of what went down last night. And now I want to hand it over to the president of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. Ladies and gentlemen, President Putin. President Putin. We're going to beat President Putin. And Biden didn't even remember that Harris is his vice president.

What concerns do you have about Vice President Harris's ability to beat Donald Trump if she were at the top of the ticket? Look, I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be vice president, because I think she's not qualified to be president. So let's start there. And he wasn't consistent with statements he made within minutes of each other. Talk. I'm not ready to talk to Putin.

I'm prepared to talk to any leader who wants to talk, including if Putin called me and wanted to talk. Huh? Fox News showed just how all over the place the man in charge of the free world really is. This is, uh... Well, anyway. In the next debate, I'm not going be traveling in the 15 time zones a week before

anyway i'm catching hell from my wife for that anyway it wasn't about just anyway read what his objective is and anyway but then again they're better than a lot of other people here, too. But anyway. There are suggestions Biden was being spoken to via an earpiece. Now, if you look at this clip closely, make your own judgment. I beg your pardon. And so Finland... My judgement is that he was. Because why was he saying beg your pardon and why was he pausing like that?

Now Slippery Starmer, the new British Prime Minister, had met Biden earlier in the day. England! We've got double the finals. Good news is right. I tell you what, that's all because of the Prime Minister. England, we've got double the finals. Good news is right, I tell you what, that's all because of the Prime Minister. You're welcome. It's good that we had a long conversation on the phone when you won. Give me your hand there, pal.

And we're the best of allies. Now look at that display from Biden there. It's obvious that Starmer knows just what a state the president is in. But will he be honest? Of course not. President Biden, I can't really say more than I've said already. This was a successful council. He led it. He deserves credit for that. The outcome that matters is that Ukraine, you know, they are, look at what happened in that hospital last week. They are facing Russian aggression in its physical

sense every single day. They are dying every single day. Children are dying. And they need our support. And it's not just support for Ukraine. It is also about our values and it is about what we stand for. It's about what NATO values are and we've had a successful outcome on that and I think that is a good thing. I think people have worked really hard for that. That doesn't always happen at the end of councils like this but we've reached a declaration which has been signed off. It is good but now now we follow through on it. And President Biden deserves credit for planning this, leading this and getting us to that stage. Kay, you are lying. We know you are lying. Biden doesn't even know who his VP is, let alone have the ability to plan a single thing.

You'd said earlier he was on good form. And look, he clearly wasn't. So why start your premiership outrageously lying? There was a much more honest response from Starmer ally and Labour grandee Peter Mandelson, who suggested on Newsnight that it was President Obama who was behind actor George Clooney's damning criticism of Biden, which was released yesterday. Watch. Peter Mandelson, first of all, your reaction to that? Well, it's obviously extremely unfortunate. I mean, it goes without saying my view frankly is that the initiative is going to pass to President Obama and Mrs. Obama I think President Obama as the

most recent ranking Democrat president is now going to have to take a position he's going to have to take a stand. I've heard that the article that was written or authored by George Clooney was actually written by Obama aides, which might suggest where Mr. Obama stands. But I think he's not just got to

talk very frankly to President Biden, but I think he's also got to talk quite frankly to his friend, but I think he's also got to talk quite frankly to his friend, Vice President Kamala Harris. Now, there need to be lessons from the Biden debacle for the British MSM, but none are being taken. Instead, Sly News political editor Beth Rigby has immediately become a North Korean style spokesperson for the regime when it comes to Starmer. Now this prompted the brilliant mock-up from social commentator Chris Rose. Oh my goodness it looks so good. It makes me laugh. And he posted UK mainstream media for the past week. We asked Keir Starmer how long he usually brushes his teeth for

in order to get such pearly white teeth. His response was simply incredible. And actually, the funny thing is, Chris isn't really exaggerating. I'm going to show you now this fawning interview with Starmer by Rigby. Final question. You said at the time of the Platinum Jubilee,

it was the proudest day of your parents' lives to go to Buckingham Palace and to see you receive a knighthood. What do you think they would have made of seeing you, their son, walking through the door of Downing Street as Prime Minister? Oh, they'd have loved that. And there's a real part of me that just wishes that they could have been there because that would have been very special for them. Obviously, they're not with us anymore, they won't have that moment,

but I can't pretend to you that I haven't thought about that. Was it a bit bittersweet then? Not bittersweet, but, you know, I would have loved them to have been there. She tweeted afterwards, Do watch it. It's quite emotional and touching. What the hell?

Beth, the only one emotional there was you. Starmer had no emotion, and as he's admitted himself, his relationship with his toolmaker father was complicated. But it's much more important to contrast what we just saw

that loving between Rigby and Stammer with the way that Rigby used to question Boris Johnson Mr Johnson you brandish your Brexit credentials but many of your colleagues worry about your character your foreign office my parrot your character your character your former foreign o'ch cydweithwyr yn penderfynu am eich character. Eich cyfarwyddwyr... Mae fy nghyfarwydd yn fy parat. Eich character. Mae fy nghyfarwydd yn fy parat, sori. Eich character. Eich cyfarwyddwyr cyfarwyddwyr ffynol, Alastair Burt, dweud,

bod eich disgrifiaeth o'r cynllun y PM fel swyddi llwyddiant yn ymlaen o'r Brytain yn, yn ddifrifol, yn anhygoel a'n llwyr. Roedd yn dweud bod y iaith hwn yn rhaid i'w stopio, ond nid yw'n stopio. and hurtful. He said this language had to stop, but it doesn't stop. You brought shame on your party when you described veiled Muslim women as letterboxes and bank robbers. People who have worked closely with you do not think you're fit to be Prime Minister. Wellh i'm i'm i'm delighted that many of my former colleagues what outrageous bias by the way beth it's not as if there are not questions for sir care to answer

how many violent prisoners are going to be released early is the uk now a haven for criminals are we soft on crime and the causes of crime? It's actually no good blaming the former government because you are either going to build more prisons or not. The American MSM shamed itself by becoming cheerleaders for Biden, and the British MSM is now doing exactly the same thing with Starmer. You can only trust the independent media, and I'm keeping the receipts. But now, Tory MP Andrew Rosendale is here for the uncancelled interview. And Mr Rosendale was returned as the MP for Romford last week, defying the exit poll that wrongly projected the local legend would lose his seat.

But Reform UK did surge to third place, making it a tight run thing. So where to now for the Conservative Party? And is he tempted to defect to Nigel Farage's team? Andrew, it's great to have you on Outspoken. That was a tight result last week. Did Reform UK ever try and get you to cross the floor to join their movement? Well, I think that in Romford, most people agreed with my political point of view, which was very similar to Reform on most issues.

Not on everything, but on most issues, I think that Reform and myself have very similar point of view, which was very similar to reform on most issues, not on everything, but on most issues, I think that reform and myself have very similar point of view. And I think it was, it was possible to win people back. A lot of people were going reform, I had a lower share of the vote for reform than my neighbouring seats, 21%, next door had 28%. So I think the lot of reform voters knew that by voting for me they were getting a similar similar style of politics so i think they were more comfortable in voting for me but yes you're right the exit poll did look like i could lose the seat but i proved them wrong yeah were you freaking out no no i wasn. I actually believed I would win all the way through because I am local. I did the work. Everyone knew me. And although they weren't happy with the government, a lot of people were saying I'm going to vote for you, Andrew. So I expected to get a better result than the opinion poll showed. And sure enough, I bucked the trend once again.

So before the election, Andrew, had Richard Tice or Nigel Farage reached out to you at all or anyone from reform? I speak to Nigel quite regularly. I see Nigel quite a lot. I chat to him. We're always on good terms, but they've never once asked me to join reform. And I think they know that all my life I've been committed to the Conservative Party and I wouldn't join another party. I wouldn't feel it would be honourable to do that. I think for me, it's about what you believe in. And a political party is a vehicle to fight for the things you stand for. And I've always believed the Conservative Party is the best vehicle to get the right things for our country. But I'm bitterly disappointed that the last five years that didn't happen.

We had an 80 seat majority. We were given the huge support by the British people, and yet we squandered it. We could have done so much. We could have completely ripped up so much of what Tony Blair's Labour government did in the 2000s, but we didn't do it. We sat on our laurels and, you know, we didn't really make the radical change that I think we needed to do. So my view is that we've got to make sure this is a one-term Labour government and if it's a one-term Labour government, a bit like between 1974 and 1979, we come back, as Mrs Thatcher did in 1979, with a majority to do radical things and change the country for the better. OK, I'll sign up to that because I think it's very possible for there

to be a one-term Labour government. Their vote was soft, their vote share was lower than that achieved by Jeremy Corbyn. Reform UK was second in nearly 100 seats. So I actually firmly believe this will be a one-term government. But the problem you've got, Andrew, is that you need a Mrs. Thatcher-like figure in order to save your party, which is descending at the moment into civil war. And you've got these two camps, right? So you know both these women well. On one side, you've got Suella Braverman, who is open to Nigel Farage, who is open to doing a deal with reform and who is, I would say, politically closer to where reform is at. Then you have Kemi Badenoch, who is still considered an MP on the right of the party, I guess, more the centre-right, but she is

vociferously opposed to the idea of any sort of deal with Reform UK and she's actually been pretty personally negative about Nigel Farage. So who are you with? I don't agree with her position at all. I think that it's... Kemi. Yes, Kemi's position. It's hugely mistaken. The fact is that, you know, more than four million people voted for Reform and I think the vast majority of those people are conservative voters who voted for us in 2019, but were terribly disappointed, as I was and I know you were, that the previous government just didn't match up to expectations. So to discard those people,

to just discard what Nigel's been saying, what reforms stand for, is a mistake. Actually, we need to occupy their ground. We have created a vacuum to the right of us. And of course, that's taken now by reform. So I don't believe there's any hope of there being a conservative victory in the next election unless we bring those people back on side it's pure mathematics you can't have two conservative parties or two right of center parties under our electoral system because labor will always win but then to do that you've got to do a deal with nigel so so what do you want do you want him in the party? Could Nigel Farage be the leader of the Conservative Party, maybe a reformed Conservative Party?

Look, anything could happen in the next four to five years. The imperative, I believe, is to put the interests of our country first. And what I absolutely determined to ensure is that we don't have decades of socialist government. So the Conservative Party has to think of the interests of the entire nation. If we can somehow work out a plan that will knock Labour out in four to five years time and stop the damage that years of socialism will do to our country, that's our duty to do that. So we've got to work out a plan. Now, at the moment, of course, things are very raw after the election. We need to rebuild. We need to choose a new leader. We

need to think about what we are and where we're going. We need to get over those hurdles first. But in the long term, as we get towards the next election in three, four, five years time, all options should be on the table. I don't think we should rule anything out at this stage. But one thing is certain, we can never win an election again unless we unite the right, unless the right of centre of British politics comes together under our electoral system. We are looking at Labour victory again and again and again. That is something we have to avoid. So what did you make of Kemi Badenoch saying that she thought Suella Braverman was having a very public nervous breakdown? I don't think that's true. I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's the kind of thing we

should be saying about colleagues. I had a meeting with Suella yesterday. I speak to her all the time. She knows exactly what she believes in. She knows what she stands for. She's a very reasonable person. I think these people that are attacking Suella, maybe they're afraid of her. I don't know. But it's wrong to do that. You know, I also had a long meeting with Priti Patel yesterday. She's another strong lady who I think has a lot to offer our party. I speak to Robert Jenrick. Look, we've got good people. We need to come together as a party. I don't want the party to split, but we do need to have a clear vision for the future. We can't be all things to all men. We can't occupy some wishy-washy middle ground that no one understands what we're for. The success of Margaret Thatcher, who's here with me in the room you can see the pictures also behind me there's lovely pictures in my office uh so she's always looking looking down on me and helping me to guide me through things

look she everyone knew what she stood for people didn't always agree with her and yes she divided people but they respected her because she stood up for Britain. She stood up for what she believed to be right. And even those who didn't always agree with her had huge respect. Now, that's the kind of leadership we need. Again, I don't want a leader that tries to be all things to all men. I don't want another technocrat, another administrator who tries to steady the ship all the time but has no strong clear vision for our country so we do have good potential leaders and I hope we get someone who will not only unite our party but unite the right of centre across the country and that may mean having

discussions with reform with Nigel it might mean bringing us all together in some way in the future. I don't know. But we shouldn't rule anything out at this stage. Isn't the risk, though, Andrew, that the right of your party might be split between various candidates? Because you mentioned Priti Patel, another great woman. My understanding is that she's running. Suella is clearly running, as is Robert Jenrick. I mean, who are you going to back out of those three? Because you've got to unite around one true candidate of the right, don't you? One of those three has to be on the

ballot. Yeah, look, I mean, it's an exhaustive ballot. The leadership election isn't going to be until later in the year. I think things will change that emerge. I'm in discussions with three of the leadership candidates, potentially others. You know where I stand, Dan. You know, I'm very much on the Suella pretty wing of the party. You know, and I want to see a clear vision for our country. And I see that those two strong ladies, they do have that vision. And I think one of them, or possibly Robert Jenrick, let's see how things develop. I mean, at the moment, there's so much to be sorted out. It's not just about policy either. It's about party organisation. We need root and branch change of the way the party operates. We need fundamental reform of

how the central office operates. We need to be a grassroots party operates. We need fundamental reform of how the central office operates. We need to be a grassroots party again. We shouldn't be some corporate organisation governing from on high. We need to be grassroots up, not top down. So I have very strong views about how we try to reform our party to make it relevant to the ordinary man and woman in the street, because at the moment, you know, we're too distant and we're not, the community campaigning isn't happening in the way that it should be. And I've developed my own way of doing it in Romford,

which is why I buck the trend in most elections. My seat was the first Tory gain after Blair won in 97 and we buck the trend again this time, despite the exit poll predicting almost certain defeat. And I think that we need to look at each constituency individually rather than have this sort of like common sort of themes and common designs of things. I think we need to be more bespoke and target areas based on what works in those communities. And that's something we're not doing. Very good point.

And I think you've got some sensible ideas about how to reunite the right. I hope they are listened to. And it is brilliant to have you on Outspoken for the first time, Andrew Rosendale, the re-elected Romford MP. Have a great weekend. Now, Meghan Markle's sister, Samantha, coming up to react to Prince Harry accepting the Pat Tillman Award against the wishes of the war hero's own mother.

But now Tom Hunt is today's outsider. And sadly, Tom was one of the victims of last week's Labour surge, losing his Ipswich seat. But he's now actively engaging in the future of the Tory party and the right, including launching a stinging rebuke to leadership hopeful Tom Tugendhat, the leftist, writing, Does he understand the realignment? What is his view on immigration? I wouldn't know. He hasn't bothered contacting me. He spent his time campaigning in places like Rutland, one of the safest seats in the country. And he later added, it's all well and good calling for unity, unity, unity, and that's the most important thing is for the party to unite. The reality is this will count for very little if we're unable to unite the vast majority of right-leaning voters across the country behind

the conservative banner. Coming up with the policy agenda and strategy necessary to bring these voters, particularly reformed voters and those conservative minded people who stayed at home last thursday needs to be the priority if this means the broad church becomes a bit narrower so be it united broad church lacking an authentically conservative policy agenda will count for little now tom joins me tom great to have you here. Commiserations about your loss. And I just want to talk a little bit first about the campaign itself, because there was a bit of confusion around whether you were going to defect to Reform UK. You were clearly one of their targets. I think you considered it right up until the last minute so what happened and any regrets now um no i mean i think i think it's um i think it's worth seeing whether or not the conservative party

can be saved i think it's worth seeing if a new leader who's a proper conservative can uh ensure the conservative party can recover from this huge setback. And when the next election, I think there are, as Andrew Rosengill just said, there are some strong candidates who are putting themselves forward who could be the answer to the problems that we face. But look, myself and many other former Conservative MPs do sympathise with many of reform messages, policies, and we sympathise hugely with the millions of voters who had previously voted Conservative

often their entire life, who voted for reform last week. So ultimately, if we don't prioritise dealing with this threat, if we don't prioritise winning those voters back over, then actually I think this situation could get worse for the Conservative Party. And I think that's being underestimated, the fact that it could get worse.

I think a lot of the Conservative MPs who did get re-elected, I think there seems to be a view that, oh, that's as bad as it can be. And we've won this time, so we're in for life sort of thing. Well, I'm not sure that's how I read it. I think in some respects it's been a slight stay of execution. I think being reduced to 121 MPs, it could have actually been worse. It was a very bad result, but it does mean if we take the correct steps going forward, we can recover, we can win again. However, if we take the wrong decisions, if we understand the result in the wrong way and get the wrong person as a successor, it could get worse for the Conservative Party and we could be supplanted by reform at the next general election.

Absolutely. I think there is a strong chance of a Prime Minister Farage in 2029. Look at the movement that's happening with Marine Le Pen in France. Look at the fact that Reform UK was second and nearly 100 seats across the country. And also, Tom, look at the socialist hellscape that Labour is so clearly going to unleash. We can see that already in the first couple of days of government. So what's the solution in your view? Is the solution desperately trying to do a deal with Farage? Is the solution trying to get do a deal with Farage? Is the solution trying to get Farage into the Conservative Party?

I mean, I'd be very happy if Nigel Farage was in the Conservative Party. I think he's a patriotic man. I think he cares deeply about the future of this country and is also deeply concerned about the woke agenda and immigration, as am I. But I think it's deeply regrettable at the moment the right is split. I think as long as the right is split, the left will carry on winning.

But ultimately, as you touch upon yourself, all over the world, we're seeing, you know, there really aren't many examples of centre-right parties achieving electoral success through triangulation and the kind of strategy that Rishi adopted it's very very clear to me but looking at the sophology looking at the election results what we ought to do and that is to go incredibly hard on immigration to engage in things like standing up for our values go very're very tough on law and order. I mean, I think ultimately, if we become a proper conservative,

authentically conservative party again, I think ultimately millions of those reformed voters would come back to the conservative party. I would like to get to a point where I think people like Lee Anderson, who's a close friend of mine, and it causes me significant upset that we're not currently in the same political party. I think that one way or another, I want us to unite the right and right wing voters and not this whole sort of like a broad church within the Conservative Party.

Because frankly, if the price we have to pay by keeping the current MPs happy is that we don't adopt the policy agenda necessary to win back away's voters. That isn't the right solution. If your solution is Tom Tugendhat, then you don't get it. And actually you should leave the party and go and join the Lib Dems. Has Rishi Sunak

been in touch with you, Tom? Because I mean, he's calling lots of deposed MPs. And if so, what did he say? He did. Yeah, he has been in touch with you, Tom? Because I mean, Tony's calling lots of deposed MPs. And if so, what did he say? He did. Yeah, he has been in touch with me and he made some very kind comments to me. I've always thought Rishi Sunak was a good man.

I've never doubted that. That's never been my problem with him. So what's happened has happened. I think he made a number of major strategic errors, the timing of election being one. I think he made a number of major strategic errors, the timing of election being one. I think not leaning into realignment. I think not going big on immigration,

calling an election before you've made any substantial progress on immigration, not understanding the salience of not just illegal migration, but legal migration. I think bringing David Cameron back, the list goes on. However, I think he was a good man. So it was a very nice civil discussion. I think he likes me. I like him. And that was that really. He wished me the best for the future. And I wished him the best for the future. And I said that him and his family will be in my prayers. But ultimately, I think that he made a

number of decisions that led us into this situation where we've had one of the worst results ultimately I think that he made a number of decisions that led us into this situation where we've had one of the worst results I think the worst result we've ever had in our history and I think it could have been avoided I'm not saying we necessarily could have won the election but we certainly could have been a lot more competitive than we were look the reality is that I probably would have lost my seat anyway if the election had been held in November I wouldn't have lost it by the margin I lost it by. But there's many other colleagues, former colleagues of mine,

who were only lost by hundreds of votes, who probably would still be in there if we'd had the election at a more sensible time. And you just think, you know, if we could have got a few, you know, some flights to Rwanda, if we could have put in a manifesto, a bold pledge on echr

or something like that it wouldn't have probably won us the election but of course it would have made it more competitive but you know i've actually had you wouldn't believe this i actually had some former colleagues who who attacked me um on a number of occasions for talking too much about immigration they said to me if people like me didn't talk about immigration, reform wouldn't be, we basically, we were inflating reform by talking about immigration. And if only we would shut up and stop talking about immigration, then reform wouldn't get any momentum. I mean, that is just extraordinary. It is extraordinary. And it's delusional as well. It's completely delusional because what it's doing is handing the ground over to Reform UK. What were your conversations like with Reform? Did they offer you a job? Were they keen to have you? we're in a slightly different place in as much as they think the Conservative Party is finished.

They think it has no future. They kind of think the sooner it's replaced, the better. Whereas my view is, I think that, I think there are, there is, we have got some strong candidates

who are looking to become leader of the Conservative Party. I think if one of those individuals becomes leader of the Conservative Party, and I think if we- If you were still in the party, who would you be backing, Tom? I'd be...

I mean, obviously, I like Suella. I think she's... I think that she's... I agree with many of the things that she says. I don't know whether, realistically, she can make the final two. I think that Kemi has some appeal to me um particularly on the sort of cultural value side and she's been pretty courageous on that robert generick i mean i just read his piece today in the conservative home um absolutely bang on the money on a number

of points i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing but he's a um had a huge conversion over the last year or so i think sometimes they're the best people, actually, to push a Conservative agenda. So I think probably, I think it's likely to be one of those three. But, you know, we have got a little bit of a time here. So, you know, I'm not an MP anymore,

so I won't be voting in the early stages. And I can certainly be won over. I mean, I'm looking for, I believe in a certain set of values and I believe that we should adopt a certain strategy. But look, what Robert Jenrick said in his piece today on Conhome about candidate selection is fundamentally important.

Some of the things we saw to do with candidate selection during this general election were awful, incredibly undemocratic and there has been a big problem with the way we select candidates we know that we've got a load of conservative mps who are very liberal and actually there's a real disconnect between where the politics of a lot of conservative mps and the politics of most conservative members and most conservative voters that is a problem It's a real problem. And the fact that even now,

after the catastrophic result we've just had as a consequence of following a centrist strategy, we have some MPs who haven't smelt the coffee. And we've actually had some coming out saying that members should be cut out of selecting the lead days. I know. Nuts. But as I say, I think there will be a right-wing candidate in the final two.

Members will get a vote. So the chances are we probably will get a right-wing leader of the Conservative Party. So, look, I think there is reason to be hopeful. And I think ultimately that's why I'm sticking in the Conservative Party, because though I share many of the same views and values as reform, I think before you give up on a party that has been the established party of the centre-right for hundreds of years it's worth doing everything you can to save it before finally giving up on it so that's why I'm sticking with the Conservative Party. Tom Hunt very loyal of you commiserations again the outgoing Tory MP for Ipswich Tom Hunt really great to have you on Outspoken

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That's wonderful. That was so great. Good to see you. Really, really good to see you, Sam. And of course, we have this breaking news. Shameless Prince Harry collects the Pat Tillman Award, despite the fact that his mother, Mary Tillman, had said absolutely not. So just a little bit of background to this. Pat Tillman, an American hero, Sam he played in the NFL after 9-11 he gave up a very successful sporting career in order to go and fight in Afghanistan he was actually killed in a friendly fire incident in 2004 and the Pat Tillman award at the ESPYs is meant to be someone who's a little bit unknown who works behind the scenes and do you think for publicity espn decides let's give it

to pat tillman against the wishes of pat tillman's own mother mary tillman who says no no no harry is this divisive figure this is where i wish some of those entities when they give awards i almost wish that they would do their homework before giving the award. I said that about the Ripple of Hope Awards. I kind of feel bad about this. In other words, yeah, I mean, I don't think they were aware of the fact that not only is it inappropriate on the grounds that Harry is not an American hero? And clearly Pat Tillman was. And so to, in my opinion, take an opportunity. Yeah, I mean, we get that he wants to promote Invictus, but he clearly, in my opinion, subordinated Pat Tillman and his mother, you know, he thanked them for their participation,

instead of really emphasizing the Tillman Foundation, instead of really emphasizing that mother and son relationship, and furthermore, to take it one step further, and for him to punctuate the importance and the tenderness, if you will of a mother-son relationship and the loss it was like he was taking his own opportunity to bring in diana and i thought oh god when is he going to stop milking this this is about mrs tillman and her son and american war heroes great to mention invictus but that was the focus where the tillman foundation and pat tillman and his mother should have been the focus my opinion okay sam stand by because for folk who haven't seen what happened i'm going to play you some of it and i'll commentate

as we go along because it's quite interesting to know what happens. This was the moment that Prince Harry collected the Pat Tillman Award. Please welcome the recipient of the Pat Tillman Award for service, Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex. Next to Meghan and Harry. Now she grabs onto him. Now see there. There's Venus Williams. No standing ovation from Venus, which is really interesting. Actually, I'm going to show you some pictures later showing the faces in the crowd who are actually not that happy for Harry.

So he goes up and he looked nervous, actually, which is not a surprise because there had been some booing earlier in the night. That's Pat Tillman's widow, also not looking particularly happy. Have a listen to what Harry says. I've got a lot to say, haven't we? Thank you, Elizabeth, Israel and Kirsty. Stay here. You need to be with me. I'd like to begin by expressing my deepest gratitude to everyone at the Pat Tillman Foundation,

led by Marie Tillman-Shenton, who I'm so hon deepest gratitude to everyone at the Pat Tillman Foundation, led by Marie Tillman-Shenton, who I'm so honoured is here tonight. I'd also like to acknowledge the Tillman family, especially Mrs Mary Tillman, Pat's mother. Her advocacy for Pat's legacy is deeply personal and one that I respect. The bond between a mother and son is eternal and transcends even the greatest losses. Diana reference. The truth is, I stand here not as Prince Harry Pat Tillman Award recipient, but rather a voice on behalf of the Invictus Games Foundation

and the thousands of veterans and service personnel from over 20 nations who have made the Invictus Games. And then as you say, Sam, he goes back to talking about the Invictus Games. But what makes me angry, Sam, is that he says he respects Mary Tillman in that speech. If he had any respect for Mary Tillman, he would have turned down the award once she publicly said, you should not be accepting it. You are a divisive figure. And actually, I find it so outrageous that he decided to use that speech to talk about Mary Tillman. Exactly. I think that was not only disrespectful to the Tillman family, but to American war heroes. And, you know, if he had any class or decorum, he should not have

accepted it. I mean, you know, now I'm feeling like he should give it back, just like they should have given back the Ripple of Hope Awards when, you know, they took the award claiming to battle racism within the royal family. They took the award and they came out and said, no, we really didn't call the royal family racist. But where was the follow up? They never gave back the award. They never apologized for it and said, look, we you know, we have no business having that award. So it's just like it's so self-serving. And so I'm going to say piggish, in my opinion. And it really exploits other people for their own gain.

Definitely out of his league here. What was so interesting is that Serena Williams was hosting the award. Now Serena Williams, friends with Megan. But I'm going to play you, and I'll commentate along again, some of her intro, where she makes some crap jokes, talking about how people will say that Megan's trying to steal the limelight, which is what she does. But there's a moment, and you're going to have to listen carefully for it,

but I promise you it's there, where there are boos. There's lots of boos in the audience. And Serena freaks out. And so she tries to get everyone cheering loudly. So let's have a watch of this. Now I get to be in a room with actual royalty. And tonight is no exception. Prince Harry and Meghan are here.

Hear the boos. Let's give it up for them. And so then she says, let's give it up. Please, Harry and Meghan, try not to breathe too much tonight. Because this is my night. And I don't want to be overshadowed by the accusations that you guys are taking up too much oxygen fake smile there from megan she was probably furious about that salmon reality no in my opinion she probably wrote the script you know actual royalty excuse me between this and all of the other fake boring stuff.

No, actual royalty would have been Prince William and Princess Catherine being there. Clearly, this is, you know, this is, I would say, a favoritism or an elbow rubbing favorite here. Serena Williams is a friend of Meg's, you know, that's known. So this feels very scripted. It feels like, you know, Hollywood, ESPN, Harry and Meghan, it feels like they're really trying to punctuate and make themselves royal after everything that's happened. And they're doing it at the expense of a war hero and the sorrow and pain of his mother it just Stephen King is the only one who could have written this script better in my opinion it's horrific yeah I couldn't agree with you more Sam I want to show you some pictures from the moments around Harry accepting that award because it is really

interesting looking in the room actually and there's a couple of significant moments because actually people's faces are not happy there's no loving embrace of harry in that front row and Venus Williams herself as you can see there seems to be shooting Meghan daggers when Meghan gives that standing ovation it's really interesting isn't it then if we uh look on a bit you can see Harry was clearly aware that the room was not on his side because he looks completely terrified about what might happen and clearly believed that there was a chance that there would be booze actually while he was giving his speech, which is why the speech, I would agree with you, was almost certainly written by Meghan.

And that's an interesting moment, too, isn't it? She doesn't want to let go. It's her moment. It's always her moment, isn't it, Sam? You know what was odd about that moment, that look on Harry's face, clearly being uncomfortable about it, but going through it anyway, reminded me of the Netflix moment moment where megan was mocking cursing queen elizabeth and harry just sat there sort of stupefied in my opinion his face was red and he sat there looking uncomfortable but went through the motions anyway it's like

you know where is the decency the personal personal integrity, the empathy, remorse or shame, the respect, you know, in consideration for others? I don't know. I can see veterans being very upset by this and my condolences and the heartfelt prayers for the Tillman family. I just I can't even imagine how Mrs Tillman feels well yeah we can't imagine that was terrible shame on you Harry indeed and then I mean look it's fascinating there's another image of Venus looking so so unhappy about it, other people in the crowd being annoyed. And the thing is, is that it wasn't just Mrs. Tillman either. It was senior military figures too, Admiral Lord West here in the UK, saying it was completely unacceptable for Harry to accept this award. But, you know, I guess as shocked as we think we feel, but we're shocked. And then next

week we're shocked. And then the week after that, we're shocked again by something. This is not unlike them walking on the cemetery of fallen heroes with a fashion photographer in tow, which also upset the veteran community. So when he gets out there and wants to promote Invictus, don't the veterans in Invictus feel that this is wrong? Don't they feel that these exploitive little PR moments are inappropriate? Because they're really not paying tribute to the veterans or the Olympians, the war heroes, those who have truly suffered, they always feel like they're paying tribute to Harry.

And sometimes Harry's loss of his mother, he's always got to throw that in there. It's like, no, stop milking this, stop exploiting others, be a feeling, you know, intelligent, caring human being in this world and stop this crybaby exploitation of others as an opiate for yourself. I mean, that's hairy, really. Chance would be a fine thing. What's really interesting though, Sam, is it feels like Americans

are really catching up to this now. I'll show you two articles that we've seen from the past week alone. The Spectator running the story saying, has America had enough of Prince Harry? Maybe that's not so surprising given The Spectator is a broadly right wing publication. But The Guardian, which has always been so supportive of Harry and Meghan, describing this as prince harry's flop era what do you make of it sam um i'm you know in a way i'm glad that although they have been notorious for paying pr to fluff them some things you you just can't fluff. You know, there comes a point when the mainstream where human beings having functioning frontal lobes and hearts go,

ah, whoa, enough is enough. This is glaring. This is selfish. This is narcissistic. This is piggish. You can't do this. You can't walk to walk on graves. In my opinion, not only your mothers for self-glorification, but now fallen war heroes. Step off. You know, I've never seen anybody do this in my life. And I'm really sorry, sorry again that the tillman family are feeling this that they had you know to sit there and watch this and it's really weird that as uncomfortable as everyone was including serena williams that they all just went along with it good god well i hope you have mirrors in your house and if you look in mirrors, maybe you feel something because this was wrong. But the thing is, Sam, he is always trying to portray himself as a victim.

So we got this news yesterday. He's recording another tell all interview with ITV about the phone hacking, which went on over a decade ago. And yet again, this is because he wants us to believe that he is a victim. I don't feel like Harry is a victim at all. I do feel like your family is a victim of Harry. And I do feel, Sam, like your father and Megan's father, Thomas Markle, a good man about to turn 80 years old, is a victim of their behavior. Well, and and to some degree, as you have been the Sussex squad, the paid PR, the hackers reportedly. So it's really, in my opinion, projection of him to be whining without the binky in his mouth about being hacked and going through all of these, you know, challenges and how difficult it was. Well, seems like he's speaking from deep personal experience, like maybe

he's an expert at all of this, because maybe this is his MO. So, you know, I'm sorry. I just, I don't feel sorry for him. And I honestly think after this little number, I think counseling would benefit him. I think he has to do some deep soul searching. This is not cool. This is not role modeling how to be a man and how to have military bearing this is not decorum to role

model in front of their quote children it's just it's sloppy to the point of being heinous and Sam how is your lovely dad doing? Because, of course, it is a big milestone, turning 80. And he sat down recently with Caroline Graham, who's a journalist who he's got to know very, very well. And it was a really heartbreaking read, Sam, because actually all he wants is to meet his grandkids, Archie and Lilibet, who seem to have disappeared off the face of this earth.

Well, I understand that. And, but, you know, it's like in the same regard, I think he understands that there's a lot of mystery surrounding all of that, you know, DNA tests, no proof of delivery. So there's always, you know, it begs the question of, okay, well, we can all feel that it would be nice to see them. Well, who is them? Nobody's got a visual lock on that. And I think he accepts that at this point too. But at 80, not really having closure

and being treated so horribly. it's sad but nonetheless he's going to have a wonderful 80th birthday he's earned every moment of it and so you know we will be paying him tribute and having a great birthday for him well indeed and what's so beautiful sam is that the marcles who megan tried to drag through the mud remain a united family and she is the one who has this isolation going on in Montecito I mean do you hold out any hope of meeting your niece and nephew Sam or do you doubt whether they even are because of course as you say there are growing questions around these two children well if they are and they ever grow up and look back in cyberspace of course they're going to see that family was curious and wanted to meet them but

I would think that they would also wonder why all of the mystery and why, you know, the media were playing this up and heartstrings were being pulled. I think it's really manipulative. It could have been so simple, but that's all on them. And so I think children as they grow older would understand, you know, and probably wonder, what were you doing? Toying with our family and keeping us so distanced from everybody. So, you know, that falls back on them. And I hope they have the answers to those questions for their children. Well, of course, because who's to say that Archie and Libet won't grow up one day and say hey I wish I'd actually got to know

King Charles I wish I'd actually got to know Thomas Markle and sadly I think um as we all know the sands keep going through the hourglass for all of us every day. And sometimes when you play games and you take things for granted, you don't get that chance. There might not be a tomorrow. There might not be a royal family for our family, for anyone, or for the kids. So, you know, it's foolish to waste time.

And so I would just say, well, take care of business. And how's your dad's health, Sam? It's been challenging. He's made a lot of improvements. I'm really proud of him. But there's nothing easy about going through, come on, two heart attacks and a stroke. And strokes, especially, you know, if you're 19 and you have a stroke, the brain has more plasticity. It's easier to rebound, to learn how to speak again, to move those muscles. So he didn't forget how to recognize things and labeled them. His damage was done to the motor part of the brain that actually produces

speech. And so it's frustrating. Can you imagine seeing something and wanting to say it, but not being able to mouth all the words? And he does good. He does good on and off, you know know and gets fatigued but i applaud him for his bravery and his persistence um i don't think i would be as resilient um and it's scary so he's he's really been a true purpose in saying i can do this and we're doing it and at beautiful years of age because it is such a difficult thing to go through i mean my grandfather on my mom's side, my grandpa had a stroke, really bad stroke, lost his ability to speak, or at least quite a lot of his ability to speak and had to relearn it. And it is, it's not only physical, but it's the psychological trauma of someone like your dad, like my grandpa, who was so desperate to talk and tell stories and wanting to be heard and they're

unable to do that anymore it's really really sad and no offer of help from your sister Megan to your dad in terms of like I'm thinking medical bills or access to doctors or anything like that no offer of help no and um you know he been moving forward, doing the best he can. But when you look at, and I'm not making a comparison per se, but yes, the royals have had their health challenges, but at that level, you have access to the best care. Most people don't. And so to go through something so hard and not be in the best medical care,

when you have a child who has access to that much money and resources and jet sets about town and, you know, spends on, in a weekend, what most of us would spend in, know a year sometimes our lifetime and and and you're medically suffering i mean that's such a disparity that's such relative deprivation and it's almost cruel when you are medically suffering to be that close to a cure or help and have the person who can help you with that just turn a blind eye like i really don't care i don't see anything you know it's just um it's like walking by somebody on the street who's died uh and suffering and just oh i've got to go get my hair done oh you know it

that's what the dad who she loved this is the dad who she loved and who she praised and who raised her. Yeah, it's utterly heartbreaking. But look, Sam, stand by. Don't go anywhere. Because right now what we're going to do is move to the uncancelled after show so that we're not censored by big tech at all to continue the second half of our conversation. Really important to me that we do have a safe space because you know what it's like online censorship and control runs really deep.

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