Dan Wootton Outspoken - OUTRAGE AS REFORM UK TURN ON MP JAMES MCMURDOCK OVER HIS TIES TO RUPERT LOWE & BEN HABIB

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Take back your personal data with Incogni! Use code OUTSPOKEN at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: http://incogni.com/outspoken BREAKING TODAY: A new Reform UK crisis, as James McMurdock resigns the party whip following an MSM stitch up about his business dealings, despite the fact they had been public for a year – and even party loyalists are furious about what’s gone on. In his Digest Dan will reveal why the scandal has deepened the civil war within Reform, with claims that party big wigs are behind the story because of McMurdock’s role in Rupert Lowe’s Rape Gang Inquiry and working relationship with Ben Habib. Then we’ll get analysis from Farage loyalist Alex Phillips of That's What She Said on Substack and Restore Britain spokesman Charlie Downes. PLUS: Carol Vorderman emerges from hiding to admit that Slippery Starmer, who she spent years hysterically trying to get elected, has been a useless Prime Minister – and it’s fair to say this government has aged her by two decades. We’ll have a laugh at the growing meltdown on the left. AND: A new low for Labour free speech haters as Rod Liddle is reported to the police by a party leader after his satirical Spectator column calling for a bomb on Glastonbury and Brighton. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle has used a social media blitz connected to America’s Independence Day celebrations to change the story about how she met Prince Harry yet again. We’ll expose the lies of the Fake Duchess as we team up with the Royal News Network. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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every single Monday to Friday, live at 5pm UK time. We launched the day after Slippery Stammer's election as Prime Minister. Our very first guests then were Reform UK chairman Richard Tice, well, he was chairman at the time, Reform UK deputy leader at the time, Reform UK deputy leader at the time, Ben Habib, Father Calvin Robinson and Angela Levin, two of my favourites on the superstar panel. And I promised you that day we were starting an independent

media revolution. And thanks to you, it has proved to be so, because over the weekend, we hit 200 million views on YouTube alone. That, let me tell you, is beyond my wildest imagination. And it matters because we have a damn country to save. And I know that you know that. So let's get on with it. Breaking today, a new Reform UK crisis as James McMurdock resigns the party whip following an MSM stitch up about his business dealings, even though they had been public for a year and even party loyalists are furious about what's going on.

You don't resign the whip for this. You just say,'ve done nothing wrong, the party's going to stand by me if you haven't done anything wrong. It's like basically a non-story that they've now turned into front page headlines. It's almost like they want to harm themselves. It is barmy. So in my Digest Next, I'll reveal why the McMurdoch scandal has deepened the civil war within reform amid claims that party bigwigs are behind the story because of McMurdoch's role in Rupert Lowe's rape gang inquiry and his working relationship with Ben Habib. Then we'll get analysis from Alex Phillips, who we just saw there, and Restore Britain spokesman Charlie Downs. Also, coming up on the show today, Fury over the King's message to mark the 20th anniversary

of 7-7. I'll give you my very personal view. Carol Vorderman emerges from hiding to admit that Soprista, who she spent years hysterically trying to get elected, has been a useless Prime Minister. And it's fair to say the government has aged her by two decades. So we'll have a laugh at the growing meltdown on the left. And a new low for Labour free speech haters as Rob Liddell is reported to the police by a party leader after his satirical column in the Spectator calling for a bomb on Glastonbury and Brighton.

Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Meghan Markle has used a social media blitz connected to America's Independence Day celebrations to change the story about how she met Prince Harry yet again. We'll expose the lies of the fake duchess as we team up with the Royal News Network. We do that over on Substack. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. It's the first Great Britain Union Jackass of the week two. You vote for the worst Britain in the world today. You can mention Islam in his 77 anniversary statement.

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I'll tell you about my weekend because we had Lady Colin Campbell's big veterans ball on Saturday. And then it was Nana Raqueer's engagement party last night. So I'm gonna show you photos and tell you what went on at both as well. But for now, let's go. Have Reform UK really thrown another one of its MPs under the bus for fraternising with

the so-called enemy in Rupert Lowe and Ben Habeib? Well that is the suggestion ricocheting across the right of British politics this weekend after the extraordinary story of James McMurdoch's COVID business dealings becoming headline news for the Sunday Times, even though the allegations themselves have been in the public domain for exactly a year. So this shock statement from Lee Anderson on Saturday afternoon had all the echoes of the botched reporting of Rupert to the police just four months earlier. So this was the statement from the party's Chief Whip who said, I have today received a call from James McMurdoch, who has advised me as Chief Whip that he has removed the party whip from himself pending the outcome of an investigation into

allegations that are likely to be published by a national newspaper. The allegations relate to business propriety during the pandemic and before he became an MP. At Reform UK, we take these matters very seriously and James has agreed to cooperate in full with any investigation. We will not be commenting further at the moment. Now, some senior Reform UK sources have insisted to me over the weekend that while they absolutely did not want James to have to go and Nigel Farage has become a major champion of his surprise MP, McMurdock is now in by-election territory suggesting the party has given up on him returning to the fold. Now in my opinion for a party of five this feels pretty unnecessary and reckless and even party and let's be honest Farage loyalists including Alex Phillips who

will join Restore Britain's Charlie Downs shortly on the Superstar panel today have been left completely aghast about this turn of events watch. But it does strike me as a party that just doesn't seem to know how to do politics. First of all there were five, then there were four, then there were five again, and now there's four again. We're talking about Reform and its cohort of MPs on the Green Benches because Rupert Lewent, Sarah Poaching came in, but now James McMurdoch is the latest person to resign the whip from the party voluntarily apparently.

Now this comes down to an investigation by a journalist where apparently he was speaking off the record with a journalist who had been digging around into businesses he set up during the pandemic that claimed certain loans. And apparently, you know, people are questioning why were these loans claimed and the businesses seemed brand new, what was going on?

He says that actually all of this was above board, it's all fine, but while it's being investigated and before he can clear his name, he's going to resign the whip. Now when I heard this yesterday, when I heard that Murdoch had gone, I was like, oh God, what now? And I'm like, what is wrong with reform that this frankly, first of all, you know, have a press office where you tell your MPs, you don't go having long-winded conversation with journalists that are off the record, okay? Get a grip. If you're going to be a professional party, get a grip of your press office.

And secondly, you don't resign the whip for this, you just say, I've done nothing wrong, the party's going to stand by me if you haven't done anything wrong. It's like basically a non-story that they've now turned into front page headlines. It's almost like they want to harm themselves. It is barmy. So I've spent the weekend fielding calls from Reform insiders and outsiders actually to try and find out what is really going on here. What's critical to point out is that these allegations against McMurdoch are not new,

and he has released a statement insisting his business dealings have been reviewed and compliance was confirmed. As Basil the Great fast pointed out, this information regarding James McMurdoch has been in the public domain for a year, and we're supposed to believe reform have just found out about this now. Has James been thrown under the bus by Nigel? And look, this is the video, right, if you watch this now, this is the video that contains all of the allegations in the Sunday Times piece. It was being paraded around X in the days after McMurdock's shock election exactly a year ago, which remember no one in Reform UK expected given he was an unvetted paper candidate. And you'll see all of the documentation.

And as I say, everything that was in the Sunday Times at the weekend was all on X a year ago. So the question that I'm asking is why now? Why has this happened now? Well, I am also told by Reform UK sources that there has been increasing concern within the party about McMurdoch's ongoing closeness with the jettisoned MP Rupert Lowe in particular. You might remember that James had signed up to be on his critical and very important rape gang inquiry and there were some fears within the party that he was also going to join Rupert's Restore Britain cross-party movement alongside other patriots like Susan Hall and

David Starkey. Indeed, James has received public support over the weekend, but not from Nigel Farage or Richard Tice, but from Low, Habib and Howard Cox. Rupert Low posted on X, James has worked incredibly hard over the last year to represent his constituents in Parliament. I count him as a good friend. From my own experience with reform to say I have suspicions of his treatment is a severe understatement. Ben Habib explained, text I sent James McMurdock in April after he joined the rape gang inquiry. This is the actual text Ben Habib says that he sent. Well done on joining the inquiry.

As I'm sure you know, that will irritate Farage greatly. Be careful. My advice to all former reformers who fall out with Farage is to resign before he sacks and seeks to blacken their reputation. Howard Cox added, I took Ben Habib's advice and left Reform 2 because of their threat of my expulsion, all because the party's leadership would not allow me to support Tommy Robinson's journalistic exposure of child rape gangs. For the record, I'm proud to be part of that lot. Now I have to be honest with you, this is the biggest problem with the fact that Reform played silly buggers with Rupert Lowright and reported him to the police based on false

allegations because now when there is a scandal that potentially could reputationally impact the party, they look like a bit of a mess. And many senior Tories and other high profile figures who were once considering throwing their hat in with reform have been less chastened by the current drama. Some have suggested they still believe the party will implode. And the Tories are certainly cashing in right, you would expect that, but they post over the weekend, Reform are perpetually in chaos and they only have five, sorry four MPs. Imagine how bad it would be if they got the keys

to number 10. But as Reform quickly shot back, George Freeman, Patrick Spencer, Owen Paterson, Rob Roberts, Chris Pinscher, Chris Ben-Fleunt, Neil Parrish, Matt Hancock. You've had six leaders in the last eight years, I'd set this one out. That's the biggest problem though, is that at the moment it feels like Reform's base has been left constantly disillusioned by Nigel Farage backing away from fighting in issues that really matter from mass deportations to demographic change, and now even the issue of halal slaughter. ...with non-stunned meat such as kosher and halal.

I don't like it. Should it be banned? I don't like it. Should we only do it the traditional fashion in this country? Do you know what, Nick? I think we've got to a point where the size of these communities is such that it's really quite difficult to do. We could ban it, but we'd be, we would, if we were to ban it, we would bring this to the centre of national political debate for a very considerable period of time, with strong opinions on both sides and that's

fine, but I'm gonna argue we've got more important more urgent priorities. But what are we gonna fight for then? Come on we've got to start fighting for something. Reform has been too cautious on every major issue from policy like that to personnel like James Mcmurdoch. Now, the Superstar Panel. And it is brilliant to have the aforementioned Alex Phillips in the house alongside Charlie Downes. Congratulations, Charlie. First time you have been on since joining Restore Britain and being a big part of that movement. So seeing we heard from Alex in the digest, let's start with you, Charlie. Do you think

there's funny business going on here with James McMurdoch? Do you think there's a possibility that he has almost been thrown to the wolves by his own party because he was potentially going to join your movement? And do you know anything about that? Like, was he holding talks with Restore Britain? Well, the timing is certainly conspicuous. I mean, as you said, Dan, it's no secret that Rupert and James have been close. James has been involved in the rape gang inquiry. And, you know, from, well, the grapevine suggests that he's been on the out with reform for some time. Now, I don't know James that well. I've met him once or twice and I've spoken to him a little bit and he seems like a very decent man. He seems like a nice guy and he, by all accounts, has been a very good

constituency MP. He's been serving his constituents quite well. So this does beg the question as to why it's such a, you know, song and dance has been made about this story about him, which as you said, you know, the information was already in the public domain. So it seems like a little bit of a theatrical kind of thing that's going on here. Were they afraid that James was going to join Restore Britain? Quite possibly. I mean, Rupert and James sit together in the chamber quite often. And, you know and we are seeking to welcome a cross-party coalition of people who are genuinely concerned about the direction of this country, the way that it's been governed for the better part of 30 years. James certainly falls into that category. James is a man

who has entered politics, I think, quite unexpectedly, but has shown himself to be a very patriotic man, a guy who really cares about the future of this country. I mean, I think he has five children now. So he's got quite a good reason to care about the future of this country. And I don't think it's any secret that reform has not exactly been doing the hard yards when it comes to publishing policy and building a shadow cabinet and actually showing the electorate what it is they will do if and when they win power in 2029. Now, if their polling is anything to go by, that's looking quite likely. And yet we are seeing this kind of continuous inability to avoid controversy, this continuous inability to be professional and to show the electorate that

they mean business. Now, insofar as we are concerned, we would still welcome James into Restore Britain. We would love to have him on board as we would love to have any member of Reform UK on board. We would love to have any conservative on board who is genuinely concerned about the future of this country. But I mean, to come back to this story in particular, looks to me like James has been very badly treated. And I don't think he deserves it quite frankly, because he seems like a genuinely decent guy. ALICE Phillips, people were really surprised. I was really surprised by what you had to say on talk, not because I don't totally agree

with every word that you said, but because I know this is a difficult situation for you in lots of ways, because of course you are an independent commentator, but you're very close to people in Reform UK. But you seem to be pretty tough on them about the handling of this story. What do you think is really going on here? Dan, I don't have a clue what's going on. That's the point. I don't know. But what strikes me as something that was in the public domain for a year suddenly becomes a news story because reform themselves have sort of put out that someone's resigning the whip. So I just question the logic in that. Either there's one of two things that

could be going on here. Either there is a sort of degree of incompetence when it comes to how you manage situations and stories, you know, whether or not the whip is removed, the suggestion was he did this voluntarily, whether or not that that was necessary, depending on the stringency of the claims and what there is out there. And if it is sort of a little peccadillo or something that's easily solvable, that's been knocking about for a year, then why the drama?

But actually, I've reflected on this in the last 24 hours, thought long and hard about if this were the case, and if he had committed what amounts to COVID fraud, I don't know if he has. Look, I've met James and I like him incredibly. But if he had been claiming loans for the company that he's not paid back in order to essentially garner money from what was a national crisis, then I'm furious and he should go. So I don't know, you know, my

opinion on what the handling of this rests very much on the veracity of these allegations. And normally what tends to come to pass is a party might suspend a whip while things are being investigated when someone's name is cleared, it is restored. So I hope that is the party might suspend a whip while things are being investigated when someone's name is cleared it is restored so I hope that is the case. A lot of the media didn't really pick up on this anyway as it turned out. I thought it'd be a bigger news story so that sort of also makes me wonder whether or not there is anything to see here. Look, I don't know. It is just frustrating for somebody who, as

I said, you know, I'm not involved with reform, but of course I was in the Brexit party. I was at one point involved in reform. Before that I was UKIP. A great many of my friends are in that political party. And I think it is essentially our greatest hope for the future. Look, all these other organisations like, you know, Ben Habeib's pointless party that's been set up is not going to suddenly be a silver bullet. It is going to poison the well. It's going to make life more difficult. It's an ego project. It should be scrapped. What Rupert Lowe is doing, however, I think is far more honourable because it's a policy-based project that has an open door to everybody. But it just, you know, it is just frustrating. Look, political parties have this. We've got Labour mired in a backbench rebellion

and talks of who's going to replace Sikhi Astama, is Rachel Reeves going to go? The Conservatives switch leader every five seconds and have constantly been riven by factions. It is kind of a path for the course in politics really. And I wish it weren't so. I hope what comes to pass with this is that there is an investigation that James McMurdoch is exonerated and he therefore goes back into the fold. That is what I sincerely hope for.

I hope for that too. And he is found culpable of essentially swindling money from the taxpayer during Covid when people like me, who's a freelancer, lost loads of money and I being taxed to the hilt to try and pop up the huge debts that we amassed during that process then, you know, yes, there deserves to be a punishment. I don't know. I rather hope it's the former and if it's the former I hope that actually what reform has done is proven that they stand head and shoulders above their counterparts in actually acting in an honorable way and not trying to cover things up and not trying to bundle the skeletons back into the closet but like you said Dan you know there is so much sort of skepticism now after Rupert Lowgate that people are just sort

of thinking oh not again please again, please. Yes. But yeah, that's... Because we are actually willing for reform to succeed. Like I know that they get very angry with people like me, but we want Reform UK to succeed. We want Reform UK to do the right thing, to take the right policy approach. And look, I agree with you, if he was swindling the money, but of course, we live in a society where you're innocent until proven guilty. He has absolutely categorically denied the allegations in his statement on X. However, from speaking to sources close

to Lee Anderson, the chief whippet is very clear that they think this is going to end up in a by-election and then of course you're in a situation where there will very, I mean, very easy for there to be a recall petition in these types of situations. Yeah, I mean, they will know more than we do, Dan, won't they? That's the point. They will know more than we do and perhaps they think that there is grounds to these allegations and that something that a year ago James might have said, oh, it's not a problem and I can answer to all of this, might not be the case. Because if it did transpire,

that he had taken tens of thousands of pounds from the UK taxpayer to shore up invented businesses, basically, without the intention of ever repaying the money, then that is fraud. That is downright fraud and it's very serious and it should lead to a by-election. Like I said, I hope there's been a misunderstanding, but either way, perhaps reform have done the right thing by saying, while this investigation goes on, we will just sort of, you know, remove the whip and let people get on with doing the work they need to do.

It's just sad, really, because, you know, like you said, we want to see political change in this country. Yes, and of course, if there is a by-election, my prediction would be reform would most likely storm it again. But the big question will be who runs for Reform UK? Do they give that safe seat to Zia Youssef, which currently seems to be what's being promised, even though I'm told there are lots of party donors who are actually desperately pushing against that path and are privately urging Nigel Farage not to run Zia Youssef at the next by-election. The other key point, of course, is that would be the first opportunity for Ben Habib's Advance UK to actually put his money where his mouth is, stand a candidate, see how you go. And I should just note over the weekend that Ben Habib announced that Advance UK has hit

10,000 members. Of course, they're on target. It's still a push, but on target to get to 30,000 members. At that point, Ben Habib has promised to donate £100,000 of his own money and set up the party formally. This is a really difficult one for me and it's very personal and I struggle with it to be honest because I don't like attacking our King. I'm a monarchist, I'm a royalist, and I really have hoped throughout his reign that King Charles III will do the right thing. And at times he has, but unfortunately, in other key moments he's let us down, and today is one of those days where I feel deeply let down. It is the 20th anniversary of 7-7. And I don't know about you, but that attack on London on July the 7th 2005 changed my life and changed the way that I look at

the world. I guess it was more personal for me because I was on the tube that day in London. I was actually, there were lots of delays that morning, not connected to what happened. And I was meant to be on the district line. I was going in to pick up a tuxedo for an event that I was meant to be at that night, which of course then didn't take place because the whole city was shut down. And I remember the train was just taking so long. I lived at Acton Town at the time and I was on the district line and at Earl's Court there was just panic and the panic swept

through the tube carriage. And I remember running up to one of the conductors and asking what's going on and he just said, you've got to get off now. There's been a bomb. So I knew it was bad. And we'd been waiting for this moment. But I think when you live through something like that and you know how close you could have been to being one of those people who the Islamists, the homegrown Islamists chose to blow up, it does change the whole way you look at the world. And for me, it really did. I was obviously proud with how London bounced back. I was proud of the fact that we were on the tube the next day. But what I'm not proud of is the fact that to this day, 20 years later, we are still being gaslit by our leaders, including

King Charles today. And as I say, I'm not comfortable with this, but it is just a fact we are still being gaslit if we choose to talk about the real problem. We're not seeking to divide. We're trying to talk about the real problem because we still live in London and in big cities around the United Kingdom at threat every single day as we lead our lives from the extreme Islamist threat.

Now the other thing is I do appreciate there are a lot of people who are too young to have remembered what it was like to live through that day and so I just wanted to share how the story unfolded because Sky News at the time was the number one breaking news operation. The BBC had been chastened and was very backward because of the David Kelly inquiry and wasn't prepared to report what was really going on. So we were very reliant on Sky News and I'll never forget their coverage of the day because after I left the tube, it's funny isn't it thinking 2005,

things were very different. After I left the tube, I scurried off to an internet cafe so I could find out exactly what was happening. It was pre-social media so we were very reliant on the mainstream media. And this is how Sky News first announced that something was up in London that day. Breaking news we're getting from the PA Newswire that there's been reports of an explosion outside Liverpool Street Station, that of course in the east end of London. It's the the bordering area, you'll be maybe familiar with the Swiss building known as the the Gherkin which of course has been a familiar landmark throughout London for the past sort of couple of years or so. That's

a very close to Liverpool Street Station, getting these reports of an explosion from the British Transport Police. Yeah, no more information at the moment, no details of whether the police had been informed of a warning. Of course it comes just after the rush hour ended, nine o'clock, most people at work probably by now, but emergency services, so assuming the Fire Brigade ambulance service as well and indeed British transport police are going to London's Liverpool Street station after reports of an explosion. It is one of the busiest links at this time of day within London.

But what was so crazy is that for a period of time, about an hour, we were all told, oh no, no, no, this isn't a terror attack that's going on, there's just been a power surge on the tube. And that's why all of the tube lines are down. So what did people do? They went and got on the buses. And the buses throughout central London were absolutely packed because we were told, because we were reliant on that point on the mainstream media and the official narrative, because there wasn't X and there wasn't independent media. So we were told everything was fine. And I got a text message. When I was sitting in that internet cafe, it was from a friend of mine from New Zealand who had also moved to London and

that text message was chilling. They said Dan a bus, there's a bus that's been blown up. Do not get on a bus, walk wherever you're going to go. So I did end up walking home for hours that day. home for hours that day. But there was this chilling moment on Sky News where a producer for Sky had just stumbled across that shocking scene and revealed it to the world live on air. Let's talk to one of our producers, Bob Mills, who's in Russell Square this morning. Bob, talk us through what you've seen. Well, what I'm seeing is a lot of very, very frightened people. As you know, tube stations throughout London were being evacuated, thousands of people pouring out of King Cross Station and Euston Station,

and I was one of those that had to be evacuated walking towards Russell Square and suddenly a huge explosion on the street up in front of me and all I could see was the top of a bus completely destroyed. We all heard an explosion and everything just disappeared in front of me and I'm looking at people with blood injuries and walking away from the scene. The police are already there, taping off the entire area, so no one is completely sure what has happened, but as far as I'm concerned a bomb has gone off or something has exploded

on a bus in Russell Square and there must be some considerable injuries and the whole place people are streaming away from it but as everybody is saying to me we can't go down to the tubes, we can't walk up the street, where on earth do we go? Bob, because we've been told by London Transport that there have just been power outages we need to be absolutely clear about what you're saying. Take us through again exactly what happened and the timings of that. This was about 10 minutes ago. I was walking up the street, heard a loud explosion. And the next thing I saw was people running towards me saying a bomb has gone off in a bus or

at least a bus, the top of a bus has exploded. Because at that moment, the police and you saw in the chiron on the bottom of the screen, were saying these were power surge incidents. And then the penny dropped. He said he doesn't know, that's the problem, that's why they're having to evacuate everybody from this area at the moment. So people here are bewildered, unsure of what's going on, hearing reports of what's going on, but really nobody knows at the moment. So people here bewildered, unsure of what's going on, hearing reports of what's going on, but really nobody knows at the moment.

Okay, Lisa, thank you very much for that. And as we've been listening to you, some more information coming in. The National Grid, which supplies power to the underground, has said there had been no problems with its system this morning, which could have contributed to the incident. We are clearly not even into an hour yet of this major incident, which has shut down the whole of the London Underground. Clearly, the emergency services engrossed in dealing with what they're finding on the ground.

There was a reason I wanted to take you through that, because, of course, what had happened is that four Islamist extremists had carried out suicide attacks during the morning rush hour, targeting three London Underground trains and one double decker bus. Fifty-two civilians, aged between 20 and 60 from all works of life were brutally killed that morning 20 years ago. Over 700 others were injured. Many have life-altering injuries today. The explosion on the No. 30 Varsin Tavosok Square was so powerful that it tore the roof

off the vehicle and caused horrific injuries, including decapitations. Victims died instantly in confined spaces. Many were killed in pitch black tunnels, trapped inside crushed smoke-filled carriages with body parts scattered around them. Survivors were forced to crawl over the dead. There was a delayed medical response. It took over an hour for paramedics to reach some of those who were severely injured in those tunnels. All four bombers were young British Islamists. They were born and bred and raised and radicalized here 20 years ago and still today I feel like we are not talking about the real issue and that's why and I hope you appreciate that this is an odd thing for me to say and do but that's why I am so angry with the statement from King Charles. I'm going to read it out to you in full so it's in context even though it's the last line that has really upset me today.

King Charles posted today, as we mark 20 years since the tragic events of the 7th July 2005, my heartfelt thoughts and special prayers remain with all those who lives were forever changed on that terrible summer's day. While the horrors will never be forgotten, we may take comfort from the way such events rally communities together in solidarity, solace and determination. It is this spirit of unity that has helped London and our nation to heal. As we remember those we lost, let us therefore use this 20th anniversary to reaffirm our commitment to building a society where people of all faiths and backgrounds can live together with mutual respect and understanding. And here's the key line, always standing firm against those who would seek

to divide us. Now King Charles, your majesty, I have great respect for you, but you know that we know what you're saying there. You're talking about Nigel Farage, aren't you? You're talking about Tommy Robinson. You're talking about people like me. The people who seek to divide us, Your Majesty, are the people who tried to bomb your subjects into smithereens on the Tube that morning. Please can we start dealing with the real issue? Please can we stop these platitudes? Charlie Downs and Alex Phillips are with me now. Alex, I never liked coming for the King, but I can't stand this anymore. You know, he didn't show up to the memorial today at St Paul's's Cathedral, he sent Sophie the Duchess of Edinburgh. Now,

apparently that's because there's a convention that monarchs only attend 25th anniversaries, not 20th anniversaries, but alongside the statement today, it just feels incredibly uncomfortable to me, because I feel like he's trying to target people who actually want to talk about radical Islam and the fact that it's radical Islam that killed those people on those tubes 20 years ago. Yeah, I mean, look, I get the impression, I don't know, because I've never worked in more circles, but I get the impression when statements are put out by the palace on what might be regarded as political events that they have done in conjunction with the government, I don't know if that's true or not.

But we're all sick of the back teeth, aren't we? 100% and you know that's Stammer's theme, isn't it? And you know it's Sidney Khan's theme. Yes. We're sick to the back teeth of being told that we're the problem for being worried about this. That we are the problem for having concerns about grooming gangs with far-right thugs jumping on a bandwagon, that we're the problem for being worried about integration of women wearing burqas, that makes us a racist, that we're the problem when it comes to being concerned about what the level of Islamism is in this country and what the threat is to our safety and security, that makes us Islamophobic. And if this government has their own way, they will put that into statute, at which point the whole thing is lost. It's

done, it's gone, it's over. We won't even be able to have this conversation. How much that imperils this country cannot be overstated. I am sick to death of this. We're all sick to death of this. It is so dangerous to not be able to call something by its name Islamism is terrorism. We're not talking about normal Muslims who don't subscribe to this sort of you know, particular Interpretation of the Quran who don't want to go and slice the throats of little girls at dance classes or blow up arenas Where little girls assemble for concerts who don't want to dress their women up like ghosts because showing their face is shameful, who don't think it's perfectly okay to take little white girls as sex slaves because the Kalam says so. We're not talking about those people, we are talking about the ones who do believe in all of this and we need to have that conversation

and these people need to be highlighted, these people need to be dealt with, and yet what seems to be the case is rather than dealing with these people, we're told instead to just ignore it, to brush it under the carpet. What we also learned today was the fact that Palestine Action, the security services, had been saying the threshold had been met for this particular organisation to be prescribed back in March. Now this isn't based upon some whim of wouldn't it be nice to send a message out to the public, this is upon based upon gathered intelligence, quite what they were planning, what their motivations were, what their actions were likely to be. We understand that they probably involved using arms and weapons and yet the Labour

government delayed that prescription in March in order to get the local elections out of the way. Unsilvered to death they are sending this country to hell in a handcart by not dealing with people who are our national enemies. We've let them into this country. They are being born in this country. They hate this country. They want to destroy this country.

They want to murder, maim, rape, slice the throats off, change, bully, intimidate, silence, censor. And we're just standing back and going, well we better not talk about it. It's terrifying Dan. And I remember 7-7. Jason Vale Well even worse, I mean, beautifully put, Alex, and I do want to hear that personal anecdote, but just to say more than that, because actually Charles here, the King, is criticizing you here. He is saying you for saying what you've just said is dividing us, but sorry, Alex, go on. Alexi No, it's that usual word

soup that people just go, we mustn't divide, don't look back in anger, Islam's a religion of peace, you know, you're a xenophobe. I mean, we know we need to have this conversation and it's funny I remember 7-7, the memory that sticks out to me the most is quite how long they kept telling us that there is that power outage on the tube and we were all glued to our televisions and we knew back then, we knew back then that that wasn't the case, we could tell in our gut, in our waters. We know today, we feel things in our gut and in our waters. You know, humans pattern seek.

We look at what's gone on. We look at certain events. We look at trends. We look at the common denominator of perpetrators. We pattern seek, and that is how we evaluate risk. It's how we evaluate safety. And we are being gaslit to deny our basic instincts at the cost of our safety. And I don't know if we've already passed the 11th hour with this one, Dan. I kind

of feel like we have when the King himself is putting that statement like that. I feel we have passed the 11th hour, but I'll tell you when we'll know for sure we've passed the 11th hour. And that's when the Labour government drive through this legislation on Islamophobia. At that point, Dan is over and it's not so much over for men, it's done for women, it's over for us because this disproportionate effect. And game in Alex as well. Yes. Charlie, how do you feel about 777? Because I'm really interested in the younger generation. I mean, you were, I imagine, far too young to even remember it. And I worry that it's

almost been edited out. This huge event, right? Like, it's the equivalent of 9-11 for Britain, but I almost worry that it's being edited out of our national conversation. ALICE Well, I mean, every word of symphony, Alex, is something I couldn't agree more with everything you just said. But I actually did want to bring the younger generation aspect into this, because something I don't see a lot of people addressing is the fact that the 7-7 bombers, all of them were under 30. The oldest one was 30. Oneseven-boners, all of them were under 30. The oldest one was 30.

One of them was 18, one of them was 22, and the other I think was 26. These were young guys. And that trend of younger, second generation Muslim migrants being more radical than their parents has only gotten worse. Because 40% of 16-24 year old Muslims in this country who were born here believe in Sharia law. They believe that this country should be governed along the lines of Quranic doctrine. And they are again, substantially more radical than their parents because those aged I think 55 and over, it's something like 10% support Sharia law, which is still quite

high, but it's nowhere near nearly half. Right. And I can't help but think that this is, you know, this issue is not going to get any better. I mean, I'm not being funny. Like we haven't had a seven seven level attack in recent years. I mean, that was the Manchester arena bombing, which was horrific. And of course there are allegations that Axel Riddikibana was also an Islamist. But I mean, how much longer is it going to be until we see another attack like this? Because since seven seven, I mean, three of the four bombers were from Pakistan, their parents came, migrated from Pakistan. Since 7.7, we've brought in millions and millions of people from that same region of the world. It's primarily people from that country specifically, who are the perpetrators

in the grooming gangs. These are people who have no business being in our country. And, you know, 7.7 should have been the turning point, but it wasn't. And so we have paid the cost of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of young, vulnerable white English British girls being raped by these people. And still we are not prepared to have a serious conversation about it. We are instead subjected to these same platitudes about British values, about tolerance and the rule of law. If you read Starmer's statement, it was all about democracy and freedom and all this sort of stuff. Just very quickly, Dan. You think these people give a damn about British values? You

think these people give a damn about democracy and freedom? You think that you're just going to be able to integrate them into those ideas when they are religious fundamentalists? I am a person of faith, Dan, and I can tell you that I wouldn't just give up my faith because I moved to a different country that told me that they like, you know, democracy and the rule of law and all this sort of thing. Faith is something that, you know, cuts to the very core of your being. And I think the idea that we're just going to be able to, you know, brainwash these people into being liberals, it's just nonsense. And so we need to have a conversation to actually about where we go from there. Totally. And it's this great myth that continues to perpetuate across society. Now, Alex, Charlie

was speaking there about the next attack. And you know, I love your substack. That's what she said, but I was actually chilled in some ways to read it this week. And I just wanted to share a little of it, because it's headline fares over the next Islamist attack. And you write, according to my sources, there is a growing fear incendiary attacks could be used. And I don't mean military kinetic force, I mean the deliberate and coordinated arson attack of our cities using Molotov cocktails and other improvised explosives, nothing that even requires sophisticated weaponry or much training. If enough structures were torched simultaneously the fire services simply wouldn't cope. One arsonist could probably set

alight an entire street in quick order, infrastructure could be attacked and in the panic and confusion a military assault launched. If a similar modus operandi was rolled out across European capitals there would be nobody to come to our aid bar Americans and how long may that take and in what format? Rounding up and detaining multiple militants on the ground requires the deployment of standing armies. F-35s may not be the right tool for the task. So Alex Phillips, you are painting a terrifying picture there of how, I guess, the next big attack might evolve.

It will be different. But are we even prepared for this, Alex? Let me spell something out to you, and this is going to haunt you and harrow your audience. I'm sorry for doing that. But on October the 7th, do you know how many Hamas militants created all of that havoc? Three thousand. Three thousand managed to break into Israel. Now, Israel has been eyes on Hamas ardently, fastidiously. They have to for the salvation of their country.

ardently, fastidiously, they have to, for the salvation of their country. And big mistakes must have been made that day that enabled 3,000 people to cross over. There have been warnings to Israel that this could happen, warnings that were perhaps played down, oh they can't do that, they've got no way of doing that, well guess what they can. Now Israel has a standing army of 169,000. army of 169,000. Israel has 450,000 reservists. Now if you think of how many Islamists we are monitoring in this country, what we know from the security services is it numbers around 40,000 to 50,000 people who may wish to actively perpetrate harm against us. So we're talking by factors way above the 3,000 that carried out October the 7th. We see these pro-Palestine marches

of organizations like Palestine Action using them as a recruitment drive. It doesn't take a genius to figure out when we've got a standing army of 66,000 reservists, or actually that's all personnel. That's not the standing army, that's all personnel. And 25,000 reservists that were even 10% of those on the terror watch list, if even 10% of those on the terror watch list took it upon themselves to perpetrate an attack against the United Kingdom, have the resources to deal with that. And I don't think we do. And I speak to somebody very much connected to the intelligence services who spoke

about the use of potential incendiary devices. We have seen arson attacks being used already, which is something that Palestine Action were potentially going to advocate, setting fire to arms depots or factories. We've seen the GRU connected to the Kremlin carrying out arson attacks. We saw two arson attacks against the prime minister's own private residences. So really it isn't some sort of fantastical concept that if the 40 to 50 odd thousand

Islamists actually being actively monitored by the security services, wish to cause great harm, we don't even need all 40,000 of them to do that for it to be catastrophic. I think we live in very dangerous times. It is absolutely chilling and I really recommend Alex, Alex Philip-Substack on that, that's what she said. I also do pay credit to Nigel Farage today, the leader of Reform UK, who I think has been the only party leader who I have seen be prepared to release a statement that is anything just beyond nothingness. he says is that we must not allow extremist ideologies in our country. Amen to that. And that's why Nigel I would say we need mass deportations, but that is a discussion for another day. Breaking right now, Carol Vorderman has emerged from her hibernation, her little breakdown when she realized that she had made a huge mistake making Slipfree Stammer Prime Minister. And let's just say her re-emergence has not been pretty. The woman

looks incredibly depressed and she looks like Stammer's administration has aged her by 2 years. Oh sorry, by 20 years actually. As the GRIFT report posted, Carol Vorderman is back and she is in full Carol denial mode. She says Keir Starmer is not a great Prime Minister and goes on to say she cannot understand why they keep inflicting wounds on themselves but refuses to take any of the blame and instead blows

her own trumpet about how she got them elected with her tactical voting website and how historic it was. This woman is a huge narcissist. Well, she is a huge narcissist, but let me tell you, vaudez, this is on you, no matter how much you might try and row back now. Watch this. I think it'll be a very bad look for Keir Starmer because he's blaming someone else. Dani Streat have said that it was a personal matter because we obviously saw her visibly distressed. I understand that, but obviously the political Ruma Mill goes into heightened mode, doesn't it?

Hopefully she stays. I don't mind Rachel Reeves at all. But I think Starmer is not a great Prime Minister. I don't think he's a great leader. He would, however, say actually he's done a pretty good job. He got it through, didn't he, in the end? It might have been 11th hour, but he got this bill through and he's making half a billion savings annually. At what cost? I mean, you know, when people voted, and I was very much involved in the stop the Tories stop vote tactical voting website, you know, millions of people came to us, voted tactically, Labour got in with a shallow but huge majority. We know all of that, that's all historic now. But they keep, they keep inflicting wounds on themselves

and I don't understand why. I really don't. And she then appeared on Jeremy Vine, continuing her mourning. It's a crazy land, aren't we, with Trump over in America, the rise of populism across Europe. And social media and misinformation and disinformation is rife. So I think it's almost like that perfect storm. And into that, I mean, in defence of Labour, you look at all the front pages, most of our newspapers are right-wing, nobody can disagree with that. So that there is, you know, there is a favouritism towards the right-wing view in this country in terms of media.

I see Russ disagreeing. So, you know, they're fighting that already, already on a back foot. Charlie Downs, Alex Phillips joining me on the Superstar panel. Alex, she's not looking happy, is she? But this is on her. Should we be enjoying this a little bit? The hard lift meltdown? Oh yeah, perhaps we should. Perhaps we should.

But frankly, I don't really care what Carol Vorderman says or thinks she was once a co-host on Countdown. She's good at maths. Perhaps she said stick to it. Or perhaps she could have a role in the government advising Rachel Weaves on how to add up, because it's clearly something our Chancellor doesn't know how to do. The thing is with people like Carol Vorderman and a cohort of bleeding liberal, hot leftist women who think everything has to be hashtag be kind, it's you haven't got a bloody clue how the world works. It's all about

ego, it's all a vanity project. It's all about showing off your luxury ideologies like a Gucci handbag. And if they had their way, they would drag the UK towards extreme leftism, which would bankrupt the country, have completely open borders, and total civilisation for futurity.

I don't understand why this woman gets so much airtime. I mean, to me she should be in a revelance at this point. Charlie Downs, do you find it bizarre that the mainstream media are bringing her back? No, not at all actually. I think that people like Carol Vorderman are the true face of the power structure that actually governs this country. They are the true voice of the ideology that has governed this country for the better part of 30 years. Because someone like Vorderman claims to be fighting for the working class. She has said as much herself on her various shows and interviews. She claims to be speaking for the dispossessed and the downtrodden and all the rest of it. But actually there is nobody more elite than somebody like Carol Vorderman,

because her ideology, her view of the world tracks completely is identical to the same ideology that has infested the civil service that has invested in festive universities that governs the NGO networks. That is rife in the media and ultimately which has, as I say, essentially captured the political system, the entire power structure that governs this country. say, essentially captured the political system, the entire power structure that governs this country over the last 30 years. That is the interest group that she is speaking for. She is speaking for power. She is an agent of the establishment. And so it doesn't surprise me that the media, which is also an arm of that same establishment, would be giving her a platform. But the trick that is played with people like Vorderman is to present them as being somehow radical and somehow fighting the power and somehow some kind of freedom fighting protest kind of person. And with so many of the issues that she chooses to champion, like for example, her opposition to the Rwanda Plan, I'm sure for her,

she feels very morally upright and virtuous for choosing to oppose that particular policy. But actually, if you speak to ordinary people, they don't want illegal migrants in their country. They don't want their communities being transformed by an immigration policy that they never voted for. And yet the likes of Vorderman are the biggest cheerleaders for those kinds of issues. The same goes, for example, for Net Zero. Vorderman is someone who quite vocally is supportive of measures to combat climate change. When in reality, all these measures do is immiserate ordinary people. They're energy more expensive,

and they make it more difficult to afford the basic things that you need to live, to live, to live full stop. And so I think Kara Vorderman, you know, like Alex, I don't particularly care about what she has to say. She is, you know, all but irrelevant in my own mind. I never, you know, watch her or listen to her, but she is an interesting case study in one of these media figures who play acts as a radical, but is

actually one of the biggest foot soldiers of the regime. 100%. And what you're both very clear on is that the solution, according to these sort of faux hard leftists who actually are champagne socialists, right, and actually have no idea about what's coming if we really do go down that hard left path, is for Labour to get rid of Starmer and bring in Angela Reyna. And Alex, you've made a very bold claim about that, which I want to come to in just one moment. But first, Guido Fawkes put together I thought the best summary of the year of hell that we've all just experienced. Watch. Angela Reyna, Deputy Prime Minister, how does that feel?

How does that feel, Deputy Prime Minister? Can I just say, if I may, I've never seen a Deputy Prime Minister with the phone strap. I mean, that sort of signifies to me a new era, right? It's just a different type of politician in number 10, so... And suddenly, for once, for the first time in many of our lives, actually Britain looks like a little haven of peace and stability. A Chancellor crying at Prime Minister's questions. I'm not going to pretend the last few days have been easy.

Erm, they've been tough. It's very hard to see how the government can proceed as planned. It has been economically and politically an utter shambles. We've got yet another screeching U-turn on benefits after the screeching U-turn on the winter fuel, a screeching U-turn on grooming gangs. The government has formally rolled back on planned cuts to some benefits. In terms of mistakes, look, I think that we haven't always told our story as well as we should, explain our decisions in the way that might in retrospect have been better, but

that's the nature of politics. Have you lost control of your MPs, Prime Minister? Charlie, I thought that was very good, but the reality is there is no story to tell, right? There is no story to tell. I don't know if you've noticed, but all of the interviews with Stammer over the past week, where he keeps trying to pivot to what Labour has really done. He keeps talking about school breakfast clubs, as if that's a major achievement. They have done nothing. So it's not just a messaging issue. Yeah, well, that's, it's interesting how that's all they ever talk about is messaging and how they are communicating with the public.

You know, whatever you thought of Blair and New Labour back in the day, one thing you couldn't fault them on was their messaging strategy. It was pretty damn effective. They were the best in the business. But today's Labour Party are embarrassing. But actually, I think what's more important than messaging is delivery. It's actually like doing things that help, y'know, and serve the interests of ordinary people, and they have done exactly nothing in that regard. And it always makes me laugh, that clip of Andrew Ma saying that Britain looks like some haven of stability or something like that. I mean, what came, what, a matter of weeks after the Starmoranted office?

ALICE And the country was more torn apart than it was ever, that it had been, yes.... And I'm not being funny, Dan. It's easy to laugh at these things, but this country is teetering on the brink right now. Things are not good here. Things are not good economically, things are not good politically. People feel like they don't have a voice, they feel like they don't have any real way of changing the direction of travel that this country is on. And as we've addressed already, some of the things that we are staring down the barrel

of are... is on. And as we've addressed already, some of the things that we are staring down the barrel of, it's just atrocious, the future that this country faces. Because I think often, Dan, about the fact that my children, God willing, will live to see the turn of the century, the year 2100. And I think about what this country could look like at that time. If it's Kier Stalmers all the way down from now until then, which given the changing demographics of the country, may well be the case because conservative voters are dying off and labor and indeed more radical voters are being born and indeed are being imported to the country. I don't see how we fix this beyond winning an election in 2029 and delivering an actual government that is

going to scrap all of this, that is going to void all of the legislation that has led us to this point. But you know, I mean, you know, but now I guess we just have to laugh. If we don't laugh we're going to cry. You have to laugh sometimes, don't you? But the irony is, I think, that it won't be Stammer's, it will be People to the Left of Stammer, a little bit of an exclusive that I've picked up. The current name that has been considered for this Jeremy Corbyn, Zahra Sultana Islamist Party is HOPE UK. Now, I think that's actually quite an effective name, although I would argue it would be hopeless UK under those two. And the reality is right, I have been predicting

for months long before these current crises, that Labour is going to deliver us Angela Reyna as Prime Minister. That is going to happen. Starmer is not going into the next election. Labour is going to move to the left. And Alex, given I'm so confident that's going to happen, you have made quite a bold announcement. Watch this. I mean if Angela Weiner becomes Prime Minister of this country, she's obsessed with this Islamophobia law. I'm out. I'm gone. Yeah, well you've got plenty of places you can go to. But she is not only thick, she's dangerously thick and massively ideological and what the

last thing we will be. She's also quite a clever politician though. No, but she's also quite clever politician. She's certainly, she's clever enough to run rings around the entire Labour Party. She's, she would definitely get in there. She's well savvy. Oh, eliminate. No Alex, because we don't want you to go. We need you.

And I actually think it's so likely now, like I really believe Reina is going to lead Labour into the next election. Yeah, Dan, I'm sorry, if the Islamophobia law is introduced, that's me, I'm curtains, aren't I? Because I've been an outspoken critic of things. We both are. Yeah, the dangers that men from certain cultures pose to women for a long time now. It's almost synonymous with my sort of personal brand, if you will, if there's such a thing. But, you know, let's reflect on the Labour Party that we had previously in 1997 under Tony Blair

and how effective they may or may not have been. The point is, in that era, this was before the financial crisis, where we essentially just lost all our money and became broke with levels of debt that we're never going to pay off. This was before COVID, which added to the burden

of impoverishedness, impercuniousness. This was before massive open borders. Yes, we all moaned about Tony Blair bringing in a load of people but it was nowhere near the scale it's happening today, nowhere near. And so actually the antidote to all of these things is right-wingery, okay? And what many people in the legacy media fail to understand is a Labour government wasn't voted in because they were left-wing What happened was people voted against the Conservative Party for not being right-wing enough Yes The Conservative Party didn't bother because they said these people are too leftist. So we've actually got not the cure to our disease, we've actually just got even more disease. And I don't, you know, like Charlie says, it seems apocalyptic, doesn't it? To say what is the country going to look like,

you know, at the turn of the next century? I'm worried about what the country's going to look like in 10 years. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Me too. It is really, really chilling. Me too, me too. It is really, really chilling. Breaking right now, Labour have reported Rod Little, the spectator columnist, to the police over a joke in The Spectator, over a brilliant satirical piece of writing in regards to the fact that he would love to bomb Glastonbury and Brighton. Anyone who thinks Rod Little meant actually bombing Glastonbury and Brighton is either stupid or personally being intellectually dishonest. So step forward. Labour's Brighton council leader, Bela Sankey, who announced Virex, Brighton was bombed in the Second World War and also in my lifetime in a terrorist attack in 1984. As the leader of Brighton and Hove City Council, I am writing to Sussex police to ask them to investigate this incitement to terrorism published by Rod Little and Michael Gove.

Now F you, Balasanki, F you, because you need your police stopping all of the crime which let me tell you is absolutely rampant on the streets of Brighton right now and because of your position you are wasting these officers time and it makes me sick. Here is the brilliant Rod Little piece by the way I just want to read some of it to you and see if you believe that it reaches the level of incitement to terrorism so the headline was now let's bomb Glastonbury and Rod Little who, who is hilarious, come on we all know his shtick, wrote, a small-yield nuclear weapon such as the American W89 dropped on Glastonbury in late June would immediately remove from our country almost everybody who is hugely annoying.

You would see a marked reduction in all of those middle class extinction rebellion protesters. Go on, glue yourselves to that Poppy and Oliver. Street drummers, liberal politicians, vegans, radical rappers, spiritual healers, Billy Bragg, the bloke who runs Forest Green Rovers, drugies, tattooed, blue haired hags and almost the entirety of middle class London all evaporated. I am not saying we should do this, of course. It would be a horrible psychopathic thing to do. I am merely hypothesizing in a slightly wistful kind of way.

One on Glass Stow, one on Brighton and the UK would soon begin its recovery with only a few chunks of gently glowing over 60 lift or a minus of volume missing. The BBC would cease to exist too. It identifies Glastonbury as an expression of the UK coming together which shows you how much it understands about the country. It has poured millions of pounds of licensed payers money into its coverage and 400 staff were there last weekend including the director general Tim Davie or at least 400 staff were actually working there. I'll bet another 400 and so were there in their little tents, desperate to surf the vibe or whatever the phrase is.

All those people then and they still couldn't get it right. So to my superstar panel, Charlie Downs and Alex Phillips, I mean this Bella Sankey actually is an idiot. Okay. So we know she's an idiot, but the point is she is now wasting a whole load of police time because of her position as the head of the council, they will have to look at this, there'll be numerous officers who are currently poring over the words of Rod Little knowing deep down, they're never going to do anything. But we live in a world where Labour doesn't even believe that satire should be legal. Alex Phillips.

Yeah, well, it's fine, actually. It's a left-wing comedian. When you heard some of the things that Frankie Boyle has said in Times Pass, it's been absolutely horrific, things that have even made me think that's going too far. And I would advocate free speech. But this wasting of police time and we know there

are serious crimes happening up and down the country including in Brighton you just have to google something like Brighton and paedophilia, Brighton and rape, Brighton drugs, Brighton murder, Brighton stabbing and you see that there's a heck of a lot of crime desperately needs attention but this is the world we now live in. We have got this cohort of extreme leftists who think censorship is normal, who think it's natural, who think it's good. You know, the amount of time people might retweet something I said on my show and put at least police. What the hell have we become? Is this 1940s Germany because it's beginning to feel like it? And it's amazing how much of the rest of the world are picking up on this. This is why I said, look, when it comes to sort of having to self-regulate,

we already live in prison. All of us are already living in prison where we think something, but we dare not say it out loud. Or worse still, there are people who dare not to even think of something because they already feel that it would make them a bad person to have such a thought pass through their brains. But when we get to the stage that things are translated into statute, thankfully at the moment these stupid little non-crime hate incidents are not statute, they are just, you know, a waste of

police time which is bad enough and we're massively under resourced. But like I keep saying with this Islamophobia legislation, that is the beginning of the end. That is what I'm terrified about. It's very hard to unpick this stuff. And like you said, Dan, what we desperately need in 2029 is a government with a big majority that turns around and says enough is enough. All of this stuff goes into the dustbin of history. And I would warn anybody listening to this right now, who thinks that playing around with politics on the right wing, who thinks that we don't like reform, they're not good enough, oh actually maybe we'll support Ben Habib instead, oh perhaps,

don't mess about because this is the 11th out, we've got one shot to get this right. You might not like everything a particular party does, you might not even like the leader, they might not be singing from exactly the same hymn sheet as you, but mark my words, if we stuff it up in 2029 and hand the likes of Stama or Reina, the levers of power again, we will rue the day, we will rue the day that we blew our chance to save this country.

Charlie Downs, the thing that I find almost quite depressing about this, right, because I know Rod Little and he is one of these great writers who is always having to deal with editors, right? And so it was very obvious what happened here, because I used to sometimes know the folk who were going back and forth with Rod over his son columns, you know, and that always be said, oh, Rod, you've got to add a caveat in here. And I actually find it so depressing that in this article, he had to add the sentence, I am not saying that we should, of course, bomb Glastonbury and Brighton. Like he actually had to spell that out. Yet still, still, this mad woman, the leader in Brighton and Hove City Council, the Labour

leader actually is still arguing that this is terrorism. And by the way, by the way Charlie, sorry just to say one more thing, I bet she's probably someone who doesn't believe, I mean I don't know this for sure, but she's probably the type of person who doesn't believe that Palestine Action should be prescribed as a terrorist organisation. That's often the hypocrisy you see with these people. Well it shows you what ideology does to people's brains. It makes them more concerned with policing incorrect speech and incorrect thoughts than it does with actually

policing crimes that actually affect and harm people. And it's interesting as well how it's only a certain type of speech that is policed in this way. I mean, two-tier policing is no new thing. That's quite a well-established reality in Britain in 2025. Because you were flashing pictures of a certain Bob Villam, Askel Robinson Forster, as his actual name is, a lovely middle-class name of his. He, of course, at Glastonbury was calling for murder on the main stage. And he also said that those of us who are concerned about the direction of this country, those of us who want our country back, can shut the F up. And I don't think that I don't think that this this, you know, Bob Villain

character should should play should face, you know, police investigation of those comments. But let's at least be consistent. Like if you know, if if Rod Little calling for Brighton and Glastonbury to be bombed is a problem, well, surely Bob Villain calling for death to the IDF on the main stage, whatever you think of Israel. I mean, I'm not a supporter of Israel personally, but you can't really have someone calling for murder on the main stage at Glastonbury and not investigate it if you are going to investigate what's obviously a satirical article in The Spectator or indeed police the likes and arrest

the likes and prosecute the likes of Lucy Connolly and others who are currently in prison right now for ill-judged tweets, you know, quickly deleted. This double standard is just astonishing. And just as a rejoinder to what Alex said, I agree that playing politics, you know, now is not the time for playing politics because people who think like this council leader in Brighton exist up and down the country and they are organizing and they are, you know, whilst we might not agree with their ideas to dismiss them as stupid, I think is wrong because these people are actually very effective when they get that, when they put their minds to it, because for whatever reason, the left doesn't seem to have the same issue with egos that the right does. You know, when they put their minds to it, maybe it's just like the hive mind, kind of left wing communist thing that they have going on. But they seem to be very effective. And so I think that's why we need to get behind, you know, the people who are actually concerned and serious about the direction of this country,

and Restore Britain, an organisation that I am part of, as you know, Dan, is the vehicle to achieve that. I knew you were going to say that. No, congratulations. I think Restore Britain is going to do great things and I'm delighted that you are a big part of it. And Alex Phillips, you know I always love having you here and recommend that everyone reads your chilling but brilliant substack and your most recent article in regards to what could be coming because it very much scared me a lot but it's important we've got to talk about these things. Alex Phillips, Charlie Downs, thank you so much my superstar panel and so much feedback from you on all of

this today. Thank you so much for the super chat, AvatarX who wrote, this is in regards to Nigel Farage, the way I see it regarding Nigel Farage is that he's becoming faker than Hollywood teeth. Makes you wonder what kind of crown he wears. Get behind UKIP and Rupert Lowe. Nigel Farage ain't the answer. So he's disagreeing with Alex Phillips there. In regards to Seven-Seven, Meow Mogue said, those buses now take them, referring to people who are entering our country illegally, to their hotels. People are beyond annoyed

now. It's going too far. Different morals. We are scared. We are wanting to leave. Save us the United States, anyone. Rosa said, I am disappointed in reform. I wanted to get behind them. I want them to succeed, but I don't trust them just like I don't trust the Tories. Aghanatha Agatha said, it's high time everyone realized Nigel Farage is not the man that we thought he was.

He has his own agenda and it's not about making Britain great again. Thomas Gardner says, so you will not fight the Sharia law Nigel because the numbers are growing. You are no better than the other two parties. Turncoat, my vote will go with Ben or Rupert. And Amber Smith said Alex crashing out over this is how everyone feels you can tell this is taking a toll on her bless her it must be hard to report on it constantly and she's referring to some of that brilliant work that Alex Phillips is doing reporting on this in her sub stack which I really do

recommend. Okay I'm going to tell you, I'm going to end on a lighter note in just a moment and tell you about my special moments of the weekend with Lady Colin Campbell and Nana Raquya, two brilliant women in my life but first let's reveal today's greatest Briton and Union Jackass, your nominees for Union Jackass. Sadiq Khan, put forward by Thomas W. 3033 because he refuses to mention Islam in the 77th anniversary statement. Balasanki, nominated by Darren Donaldson for calling for the Sussex police to investigate this rod little bloke for incitement to terrorism for his spectator article. And Zara Sultana, nominated by Scottfly234 announcing she's a co-leader of a new party when

she is in fact not and as I'm told the party may be called Hope UK. The results with just 2% of the vote Bella Stanky, the runner-up with 22% of the vote Zara Sultana but the runaway Union Jackass on this 20th anniversary of 77, London's failed mayor Siddiq Khan with 76% of your vote. And today's greatest Britain, I'm so happy about this one nominated by Anna Island 17. It is Lady Colin Campbell for never holding back on what needs to be said and for generously opening Castle Goring to host a fundraising evening for care for veterans. And honestly this is my favorite night of the summer it is always so special. Of the summer it is always so special.

Castle Goring is the incredible historic castle that Lady Colin Campbell took on about 10 years ago actually. It is now such a beautiful place and once a year in the summer she opens it up. For this fundraising event for care for veterans anyone can attend as long as you buy a ticket and it was incredible. There were people from all around the world there again for the third year in a row, especially so many folk from America. And I loved all of the Americans who were big fans of Outspoken. My fiance, Alan, we were top pride of place with Lady C. And it was so brilliant to see some other contributors there to Outspoken, like P Dina and according to Taz and Steph the alternate

but the most amazing thing to me is that Lady Colin Campbell at 75 years old remains a force and a force for good and she is so determined to do the right thing by Britain and by the United Kingdom I could not think of a better choice for Greater Britain and you know what I'm not you know I'm 42 now so I'm not mega social these days I sort of like my hermit lifestyle a lot more I have to say it was a big weekend because that was on Saturday at Castle Goring and then last night I could not miss the engagement party for one of my close friends Nana Acquire who you probably know was the first person to appear alongside me on the first night of GB News. She has been incredibly close and a pillar of strength and

support for me ever since and let's be honest that's not something that I could say for most of my former colleagues at GB News. I absolutely love the fact that Nana is brave and she is forthright and she does what she knows is right and while she also knows how to put on a party because this was to celebrate her engagement to the lovely Stephen. It was at the Blue Marlin Ibiza venue in East London. A very Nana sort of venue, not my usual sort of scene, like loud music, lots of dancing, but look at all of the Patriots there. Lee Cohen, Suala Braviman, on my date for the night alongside my fiancee, Dame Andrea Jenkins, Lady Victoria Harvey.

Honestly, so many brilliant people in one room and it was so brilliant to celebrate the engagement of the wonderful Nana Aquair, who I think is going to have such a big future and be such a big part of helping to turn around our disunited kingdom. Thank you so much for your company today. We're not done though because we're going to move to Substack for the uncancelled after show where Meghan Markle is used to social media blitz

connected to America's Independence Day to change the story about how she met Prince Harry yet again. So we're going to expose the lies of the fake duchess as we team up with the Royal News Network. That's over on Substack. You can sign up at www.outspoken.live. But we will be back with you tomorrow, 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. If you are watching on YouTube or Rumble, please hit subscribe right now. Remember, we are also now available as an audio podcast. You can subscribe on Spotify or Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, meaning you can listen to us wherever you are. I'll see you again tomorrow. Happy Monday night. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.