Dan Wootton Outspoken - POLITICAL PRISONER LUCY CONNOLLY'S TORY COUNCILLOR HUSBAND RAYMOND CONNOLLY SPEAKS OUT

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

A very special Uncancelled Interview: Raymond Connolly, the Conservative councillor husband of Lucy Connolly, who is languishing behind bars in prison after being sentenced to two and a half years for a tweet on the day of the Southport Massacre joins me live. Raymond has not spoken before, apart from in a very brief appearance outside court on the day Lucy was found guilty. PLUS: Father Calvin Robinson hits out at the commercialisation of suicide as assisted dying is poised to become legal after just a five hour debate on Friday. AND: Tommy Robinson supporters take on Talk TV for its presenter Peter Cardwell’s description of the journalist and activist as racist. THEN: In the Uncancelled Aftershow, Samantha Markle gives an exclusive broadcast interview about her sister Meghan as she turns 60 and suffers from the loss of her mother. To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/ ---------- Today’s Sponsors: SURFSHARK - Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra four months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price VERSO - https://buy.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. MANSCAPED - https://manscaped.com – get 20% off + free shipping with the code Outspoken. ---------- Dan Wootton Outspoken is fan funded through monthly and one-time donations: https://www.outspoken.live ---------- Join Dan's Substack community: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And Tommy Robinson supporters take on Talk TV for its presenter Peter Cardwell's description of the journalist and activist as racist. And who pushed that agenda? None other than pig vomit in there, Piers Morgan. And as for you, Cardwell, calling Robinson a racist, you owe the British public and Tommy Robinson an apology. Then in the uncancelled after show, Samantha Markle gives an exclusive broadcast interview about her sister, Megan, as she turns 60 and very sadly suffers the loss of her mother. Now remember the Uncancelled After Show now broadcast exclusively daily and

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Maybe her post on X took it too far. I mean, she knew that. She deleted it. She swiftly regretted it. But it is very clear to me that she had not incited any specific violence, and her main call, which was for mass deportations of illegals, is actually a mainstream view in America under Donald Trump, even if the elite class in Britain view it as some sort of hate crime. Critically in that post, Lucy wrote, I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. And that's because Lucy knows from the most brutal and the most traumatic personal experience what it's like to lose a child in a tragedy. Her beloved son, Harry Connolly, there he was, died at just 19 months old

after shocking NHS failure, which resulted in an apology from Northampton General Hospital. And those photos there of Lucy with little Harry, we haven't seen before. As Lucy said at the inquest, she would never get over it. But was there any sense of perspective or empathy when her tweet, her post on X, saw her dragged through the British judiciary to make a point to all of us, shut up or we'll lock you up? Of course not. Of course not. Look at the result. Lucy, a housewife, a childminder, a proud mother to a thriving 12-year-old, was immediately remanded in custody and sentenced to 31 months. That's two and a half years behind bars. This was a barbaric sentence with a clear political purpose. Because Lucy, you see, is married to the popular West Northamptonshire Conservative councillor Raymond Connolly. So she became the perfect face of so-called social media hate crimes,

driven away in that police van to serve an absurdly long sentence as paedophiles and women beaters avoid spending one day locked up. Make it make sense. I mean, as Elon Musk regularly points out, it doesn't. The UK is now some sort of tyrannical police state where free speech no longer exists. Look at today, at PMQs, where the Prime Minister, Tuti Akir, disturbingly wouldn't even rule out a blasphemy law that would make so-called Islamophobia illegal. This has been pushed by the Labour MP, Tahir Ali. November marks Islamophobia Awareness Month.

Last year, the United Nations Human Rights Council adopted a resolution condemning the desecration of religious texts, including the Quran, despite opposition from the previous government. Acts of such mindless desecration only serve to fuel division and hatred within our society. ddibynnu ar ddivision a chyfroeddiad yn ein cymdeithas? A fydd y Prif Weinidog yn cymryd i gyflwyno ffyrdd i ddim ysgrifennu pob tegydd deithyddol a phroffidiaid yr adegau Abraham? Lord Cymru Rwy'n cytuno â'i fod ysgrifennu'n anodd ac ydw i'n credu y dylid ei gyflawni ar draws y awful and I think should be condemned across the House. We are, as I said before, Mr Speaker,

committed to tackling all forms of hatred and division, including, of course, Islamophobia, in all of its forms. Thank you. Now, let's go back to Lucy Connolly. Like a loyal husband, Raymond stood by his wife. But, this is critical. He didn't support her tweet in any way and made clear that Lucy regretted it. He has been stoic and re-selected to run for his seat as a conservative councillor next month. So now the campaign to unseat him using lawfare has predictably kicked off. The West Northamptonshire Council, this was leaked to local media, has started a code of conduct investigation for comments Raymond made in defence of his wife. So how did he defend his wife? He said she is a good person and not a racist. This investigation is sick and twisted. I have been in contact with Raymond since Lucy's arrest.

He has always avoided speaking publicly about the case, apart from just those few words grabbed by Sly News outside the courthouse and now used against him. But I am delighted that today he has decided to break his silence on Outspoken. So now, the uncancelled interview. Raymond Connolly it is so good to have you here today and I guess we should start at the beginning before we talk about this despicable move to subvert democracy and get you booted from representing the people that you were elected to represent. So tell me first, Ray, when did you become aware of Lucy's tweet on the day of the Southport massacre? It was about a week later, it was. My son texted me, our eldest.

He said, have you seen, it's all kicking off on XDad. I said, I'm not on it Tom, I'm Jack. So he sent it off, he screenshotted it and sent a few things to me. And I said to Lucy, I said, what's this? And she said, oh look, I put this on like a week ago, but somebody's

screenshotted it and reposted it. And that person also got locked up for doing that and what was your immediate reaction when you saw the post well obviously i i was aware of that day when i come home and obviously i came home from work lucy was um crying at the house when i can I come in and she explained to me what had happened and just went through the other sign on X. It was a terrorist attack or whatever. And I said, well, you know, I said, bloody nightmare. And then I just went and put the news on

and I could see it all on the news of what had happened with those poor children. And obviously, you know, Lucy's in the house with the kids she's looking after, petrified. And for Lucy, the loss of a child is obviously particularly raw, given what happened to your son, Harry Connolly. Look at him there.

And he was just 19 months old when he died, Ray. And he died as a result of state failure. He was completely let down. You were both completely let down by the NHS. So I imagine the death of any child really impacts Lucy. Yeah, I should complain to, should even complain to members of parliament before about children, what had been injured i remember

jeremy hunt she was moaning about a case with um a child but it just seems to be she would always like again any children what i had especially medical negligence she would be um up in arms and, well, on the laptop. Yeah, so she was like a lot of... Sorry, you finish your point, Ray. No, she'd even have contact with her parents as well. She would have been these people who had a problem. So that day, she was emotionally tormented like so many of us were to be honest about what happened a lot of us knew that we weren't being told the full truth but she made

this post on x which would go on to change your lives but what's so interesting is that as you point out, there wasn't an immediate reaction to this. There seemed to be some sort of political campaign to get Lucy targeted by the police. My suspicion is that it is because she was married to you, a Conservative councillor. Do you have that same suspicion well obviously you know i mean lucy was arrested that morning and um i um i went to walk the dog and i got a phone call late that afternoon um from the bbc and a journalist from the bbc and he to me, he goes, hi, Ray, I'm such and such from the BBC. I've been, I've drawn the short straw to call you.

I wouldn't normally be having this conversation with you, but you are a Conservative councillor, so there's going to be some mileage on this. And that was from the BBC. And when did the police get involved, Ray? About a week later in the evening, they went and took Lucy away in the afternoon, late afternoon and she came back around about seven o'clock, I believe, and then they come and picked her up again the following morning.

And was that when she was remanded in custody? Yeah, then she went to, yeah, yeah, to Bratt Mills in the custody there. At that point, Ray, did she have any idea that it was even a possibility that she could find herself locked up for two years? Oh, no. God, crikey, no. I mean, I think, you know, I mean, I've looked at,

I mean, I'm on X now and I've seen the rhetoric was on there and whatever. So I don't think she ever um thought this would happen of course not when did that reality hit for you and for her i think it was um oh it would have been a sentence sin because obviously she was obviously, she pleaded guilty. She pleaded guilty because she felt she was obviously discussing with her legal team. She felt that she was probably good chance to be owned by Christmas if she did. If she didn't plead guilty, she would probably be on,

may not get bail and then going into the new year when a court date. Other people wanted Lucy to plead not guilty and fight it in front of a jury. But she decided after discussions with her other solicitor, roedd yn dymuno i Lucy ddweud na'i ddifrif ac ysgogi o ran y dylunydd, ond fe wnaeth hi ddewis, ar ôl trafodaethau gyda'i gweithiwr eraill, os oedd hi'n dweud na'i ddifrif, fe wnaeth hi gweithio allan yn ei chyffyrdd oherwydd roedd hi'n ymwneud â'r prision ar hyn o bryd ac yn siarad â'i gweithwyr. Felly fe wnaeth hi gweithio allan. Roedd hi'n cael dau blynedd o'r cyfan. prison at this time and speaking to her inmates so she would um worked out she was he was she was told it he gets should get two years around that but then obviously lucy's working out with a guilty plea a reduction in sentence um 40 and time served that should be out before um christmas

with a really close to it but obviously when she was sentenced obviously the sentencing guidelines I did I thought it was going to be around the two year mark but when I heard the judge Melbourne start reading about

the sentencing guidelines I thought what's going on here? The judge showed no mercy. She'd made a mistake. She'd made a mistake by being coerced into pleading guilty? She should have. Well I always

wanted her to you know the other side of our legal team were going that Lucy would to plead not guilty wanted her to um you know the other side of our legal team were going you know there was that lucy would to um plead not guilty and they'd um put a bail application in and then um then they'd review it and go in front of the jury because i felt lucy would be in a better position but she thought she would be it could be you know march March, April time before she went in front of the jury if she wasn't granted bail. And because she'd already failed a bail application before,

she kind of thought, oh, everything's going the best. I mean, but right, this is sick. It is the most egregious example of two-tier justice. I mean, the Labour councillor who is on video threatening to slit people's throats, he pleaded not guilty. He has received bail. So are you very conscious of the fact that Lucy Connolly, your wife, was being made an example of? I think I would have to say, of course, you know, at the end of the day, I mean, even afterwards, people, you know, the government wants to frighten people. And, you know, I guess that's what they've done. Obviously, they've got a housewife there whose criminal record is, I think, a driver awareness course.

And all of a sudden she's walking around a wing with people who are doing life in prison for murder. It's sick. It is genuinely sick and twisted. I've spoken so much about the case of Lucy and also Julie Sweeney, a very similar woman who is a carer, a grandmother, who received a similar sentence for a post on Facebook. Now, I believe they're political prisoners. Is that how you view your wife, Ray? I think as time has gone by, pretty much so. I'd say most definitely.

I think they've been really harsh on her. You know, I just, you know, I joked about it beforehand that, oh, you'll be coming with me when we do the community payback teams and they come litter picking and painting with our teams. I thought that's what she might end up doing. I thought I had visions of her coming in painting and whatever, play parks and whatever. No, not even, you know, you wouldn't even believe that in the UK in 2024,

a housewife would be sent to jail for two and a half years, 31 months for posting on X. It is extraordinary. Now, you have a 12-year-old daughter. What happened, Ray? Tell me about the human cost of this, because as that dawning realisation comes that Lucy's going to be behind bars for a very long time i imagine your life was completely turned upside down yeah obviously it's difficult obviously i'm looking at the financial aspect of of of you know lucy was self-employed so i know how so and obviously you've got the legal cost um obviously Obviously I sold my car pretty much straight away and borrowed money off of friends

to pay for the solicitors and court costs. And obviously then the running of the house. I can't sort of pretty much everything I do and I kept everything, what Edie does, the gymnastics, the golf, just try and make sure that she's, everything is pretty much normal for her. So it's not a lot of disruption. So she, you know, she realises that her mum's not here,

but she is only down the road in sort of, I keep saying to her, she's only down the road. Has she been able to see her mum in jail? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been there to visit her, we have. And the children who she looked after have been there as well. And what's Lucy's life like behind bars? Well, you know, she was petrified when she turned up,

absolutely petrified, terrified. So she drove into the Peterborough and they collected her there. And she was in a state. I mean, she was like, oh, you can imagine. But two girls came and met her. I did meet these girls. I mean, they're both doing life in prison, they were, but they helped Lucy settle her in. And Lucy rang me that night. Obviously, very tearful, distressed.

But I said to her, obviously, she was struggling. She was getting no medication. She was obviously on antidepressants and she wasn't really getting anything like that. But then she just settled in as best as she can, really. And so many incidents of which I can only think you know fair play to lucy being in that environment and the um people she's with the friends she's made um with the i mean the people on the wing have all the great time for her even the prison officers have great time for her. So, no, she has somehow, she's managed to really pull herself together. Thank God, because I had Mark Heath on the show last week who was jailed for a social media post as well,

although he pled not guilty, but he was remanded in custody and within hours of entering prison he was targeted by an asian gang who beat him up horrifically so lucy has had no physical threats to her safety behind bars no no no I mean, there's lots of incidents. I'm sure Lucy will write a book, but she was... All the girls in the prison know what's going on, and there was a girl who was coming into the prison and knew she'd been moved from another prison. Obviously, she'd been in trouble there,

and they were moving her to this prison because it was more of a disciplined area area and um lucy was in the canteen and it's just like a school canteen everybody's eating talking and all of a sudden you could hear a pin drop because this girl i'll say p i won't say what her name is walked in um and lucy said you know she could see her she was a black girl very attractive powerful looking girl and she walked in and she you know everybody was like oh my god and then she looked at Lucy and walked over to Lucy and Lucy was like oh my god you know she was what the hell and she she goes we've been talking about you you're're the lady in blue. Don't let them divide us.

That's what she said to her. But her and that girl now and the other Jamaican and the other Jamaican, they're like real best of friends. They look after Lucy. They do all the hair for her, eyebrows. You know, Lucy's doing the best she can in there. She is funny. She obviously has best she can in there she is funny she's um obviously has some homeless girls in there as well and they've got no family to send money in um so lucy gets me

and her friends to send money in so she does shops for them um because they haven't got a job and they've got no family to send any money in, so she'll do shops for them and then get them extra food, sweets, make-up, toiletries, and they do a weekly delivery. But obviously they've got no family, they've got no money. But I think that sort of camaraderie, they've all kind of congregated, they'll all go into Lucy's room, chatting, putting the world to rights. Yeah, and probably talking, I imagine, a little bit about the state of the country.

And so then, Ray, not only are you dealing with that, the emotional trauma of your wife behind bars, your young daughter no longer having her mum around every day, you've got all of that going on. And then the witch hunt begins. The witch hunt by the West Northamptonshire Council begins against you, and you find out that you are under investigation. Now, you are a democratically elected councillor. You have been re-selected by the Conservative Party to fight your seat next year. So what the hell is the council playing at? Yeah, I mean, letters, obviously, I've got emails sent to me, not very many, actually.

I mean, not really a lot about lucy it's just like you better resign you tory scum um so you know people are frustrated um but i have a lot more phenomenal amount of support um even lucy has people writing to her and asking me to write to her in prison or whatever um but i know there was a some letters have gone in and the monitoring officer told me um they're going to look at it and whatever um which hadn't a problem and she sent me a little email uh and the trouble is i was waiting for them to come individually so i could answer because what I said, obviously when the journalists get old a bit,

they kind of put their own words together. Like when I spoke to the BBC and they said about, this was like a couple of days after Lucy had been arrested and they asked about, you know, obviously they wanted to know if I was racist. And Lucy, I said, look, I said, all I can say is that Lucy, she is obviously a childminder. She has kids from all over the world. I said Lithuania, Romania, Bangladesh, Somalia, all over the world.

And so she looks after these children and loves them like they're their own. But then obviously people change it. Some of the reports were like, you know, Lucy cannot be racist because she looks after Bangladeshi kids, those sort of things. But I didn't say that. No, but at the end of the day, though, you know your wife, OK? And I believe you are entitled to say that she is a good person who isn't racist if that is your belief without your democratically held council seat being challenged

yeah of course obviously i'll defend lucy and i i have to because when i um when lucy was going to trial i had to do some character witnesses and I thought you know who are the best people to um to be Lucy's character witness and I thought well I went to the people I went to the people who are more going to be more exposed to racism I mean yeah I'm at work they call me names and whatever you know know, whatever. But I don't take it personal. I don't see them as racist. So I sent, I got the emails from people who know about racism. Because I, racism, I don't.

So I sent them to people from, yeah, from the Nigerian communities, from the Bangladeshi communities, Romanian, Latvian. They came back 100% supporting Lucy, supporting her saying that basically what a load of old rubbish. So then they know about racism better than me and I'll support them. So I couldn't support someone else telling me she is when I've got people who know her and know about racism better than any of us um so I will always support um those um indeed and she's your wife and she's the mother of your baby and you stood by her and I I certainly have a huge amount of respect

for that and I believe most of the outspoken family do. And in fact, I want to bring in a member of the outspoken family now, Father Calvin Robinson, who has been listening to Raymond Connolly intensely. Father Calvin, what's your view on what Raymond has told us today? It seems like a stitch-up. It seems like they clearly wanted to set an example from the beginning. And actually, they're not evidence informed. They're twisting every little facts they can do to make it fit the picture, to make it fit the narrative that they've already come up with. It's very, very sad because our justice system is supposed to protect all of us, right? And it's

supposed to be there for all of us, no matter our station in life, no matter our politics, no matter our faith. And in fact, it seems that it's at the moment, at all of us, no matter our station in life, no matter our politics, no matter our faith. And in fact, it seems that it's at the moment, at least, there's a two-tiered system that is set out to protect a certain demographic and paint everyone else as the bad guys. There's only so long that that can go ahead before it falls apart. It doesn't work. It's not realistic. It's not true. And so this whole situation is horrible. None of it should have happened. Raymond, are you in touch at all? Because Calvin's completely right. None of this should have happened. And there are actually a lot of political prisoners now who the elite class in this country are ignoring, but Elon Musk isn't ignoring them. I'm not ignoring them. Calvin's

not ignoring them. Social media isn't ignoring them have you been in touch raymond with any other families of people who are going through something similar no i'll be honest i've just started looking at it now really obviously i know about these people um but obviously i'll be honest because of my position i've tried to um stay below the radar and not get involved. But obviously, since although my appeal was supposed to be strictly private and confidential, my complaint against me, obviously, it was obviously leaked to the press from, I guess, a member of that department because they knew too much specific details. And obviously now it's all just blown up. Yeah, so there is clearly a campaign against you,

although the Conservative Party, I believe, have been supportive. Yeah, they've been great. The Conservative have, even the opposition party members as well, Lib Dem, Independence, even the Labour, some of the happy. Because, look, we're often quite critical of certain aspects of the Conservative Party. But we also know what it's like to be thrown under the bus when things get a little bit hot. And I actually think it's admirable of the Conservative Party to say, no, no, we support you. You're a very popular, successful councillor. You're in one of our safest seats and you can run next year. Absolutely. This is spot on on what they should be doing.

I'm hoping this is a sign of change because I was kicked out of the Conservative Party. Conor Tomlinson was kicked out. Cole Benjamin was kicked out. And even people without big profiles I know that have been kicked out for saying things that are Conservative and or Christian. And so people without big profiles, I know, that have been kicked out for saying things that are conservative and or Christian. And so maybe this means the tide is turning,

or maybe it's just the local level party is much better than the national party. Raymond, what is the plan for Christmas? Because I believe Lucy was left pretty heartbroken at some news regarding that. Yeah, she, when she got sentenced, she was entitled to have like, you can have like a day off, like a family visit. And you'd be picked up at eight o'clock in the morning and you'd be returned at five o'clock. So she spoke to the internal probation officer about it. And he said, I don't think I can get you Christmas Day, Lucy, but I think we can do Christmas Eve.

And she goes, OK, well, she filled all the forms in and whatever to do that and the process of how to get into that. And then she followed it up about a week and a half later and said, what's going on? And it was kind of like not getting involved. It was very quiet and cagey about it. And then she realised that something was wrong and she was in the cell in wrong. And she was studying. She was in the cell in her room crying.

And she cried all day. But obviously this caused an alarm for the other people on the wing. Because they said that this isn't like Lucy. This is a nightmare. And they all, well, they weren't happy. The rest of the wing weren't. And eventually the prison officer said they will get the probation officer to speak to lucy and he did speak to her and he said that um

it's not going to happen because um they think um the press will be notified and now we want to speak to her and if she didn't notify him her neighbor would but you know so obviously that didn't um that's not gonna happen so she's getting she's i mean calvin it's two-tier justice isn't it it's two-tier justice she's the wife of a conservative party politician she's the face of Starmer's campaign to lock up the white working classes. We can't let her out. But don't worry when it comes to a paedophile or a woman beater. I mean, it's just extraordinary, isn't it, Colin?

It's insane, the twists and turns in this story. It seems like Lucy's being punished because of who Raymond is, but Raymond's also being punished because of who Lucy is. He can't win in this situation, unfortunately. I'm laughing because it's so absurd, not because it's funny. And we need to put the pressure on the justice system and on the mainstream media to report this story fairly so that both Lucy and Raymond get justice, that they are owed. All of us should, all throughout points of our lives, be under the assurance that if something goes wrong, we can trust the police, we can trust the judicial system,

and that we have a fair and balanced society where everyone has equality under the law. If we think that because of our faith, our politics, or our outlook on life, we're going to get treated differently, or because of who we're married to, we're going to get treated differently, then people will act in a very different way, and that would break down the entire system that we have going here of law, fairness and equality. Totally. And Raymond, I'm so glad that you have spoken today. I know you've gone through such a

tough time, but it is important that we have these conversations. And as Calvin says, start to change some of the rhetoric, because also it's very important, isn't it, Raymond, that once Lucy is released, she knows that she has a life to return to. As I said, of course, I mean, my job is to make sure, as a husband, to make sure that she's okay and she gets home air safe and in good order and everything is salvageable around the house and with jobs wise and whatever.

Totally. Well, look, Raymond Connolly, stay in touch. Pass on our love to Lucy and hopefully there's a bit of a Christmas miracle and she'll get home. Raymond Connolly, thank you so much. Breaking right now growing fears that legalized suicide will be voted through the house of commons in the UK after just a five hour debate on Friday. Labour is changing the face of this country in many ways. No one expected this to happen so quickly. And I want to show you a video now at a tube station right near

the Houses of Parliament, and you will see that suicide and this assisted dying is being commercialised. It is almost being fetishised in some way now with these advertisements promoting the need for this bill to pass. And this has obviously sparked quite an outrage with Tim Stanley, the columnist for the Daily Telegraph, posting on X, I'm glad they did this because this is where it ends. The moment capitalism gets into the death market, it will become the next must-have product. And look, today I want to pass the floor over on this to Father Calvin Robinson because, Father, a lot of people are seeking spiritual guidance, especially MPs who are torn on this, who are worried about this, but are maybe leaning towards voting for the bill.

What's your message as to why they should not? Because we have to look at these things logically. We have to look at these things with reason. And the other side will just push forward emotive arguments and anecdotes left, right, and center in order to break down our barriers, and essentially blackmail us into doing this, because they'll say things like, you know, I had a loved one, and I didn't want my loved one to suffer. They had to suffer. It was awful, and of course, nobody wants their loved ones to suffer. Nobody does. It's horrible to go through that experience. Anyone that's had a loved one die can affirm that experience. However, what we need to do is look at helping people through their suffering, not removing their

suffering. No one can live a life without suffering. It's part of the human experience. We are born, we suffer, we die, right? The Christian would say it's part of the sanctifying experience. It's getting us prepared for heaven. It's getting us from where we are to where we need to be. But even if you take Christianity out of it for a moment, it's about, do we love that person? Yes. So we make them comfortable. We help them. We already have palliative care. We have lots of things in this country that other countries don't have. But if they're not working well enough, let's address those. Let's not just end the person's life. Because there have been so many instances of people that have gone through this process, and right at the last minute, they've wanted to change

their mind. And sometimes the process has has failed and we've heard their stories but other times the process has gone ahead and we never hear their stories there are instances where things do not work there's a story in switzerland of a death pod that malfunctioned and we find out later during the autopsy that there's there are strangulation marks around the person's neck we don't know what the ins and outs of that are. But either way, God decides when we're born. God decides when we die. If we put that in the hands of the state instead of our Lord and Savior,

then that means that the state has authority over when we are born and when we die. And at the outlet, it might seem great. It might seem, you know, on the extremities, there are people that are going through extreme suffering and we want to end their suffering. But once we sign that legislation, once that becomes law of the land that the state can dictate or the healthcare professionals can dictate when someone is to be killed, then that slippery slope is just the start of the journey. And we don't have to look too far afield. Canada is still part of the Commonwealth. They still have our king as their sovereign monarch, and they have euthanasia, assisted killing, assisted suicide, whatever we're going to call it. I don't care about the euphemisms.

It's the process that I'm against. And so they have it. And so they started out, when someone's in extreme suffering, we're going to end their life. But that's where they began. And now there have been so many cases I've talked about on my show back on the old platform of there was a veteran who couldn't afford housing. He was offered suicide. There was an elderly person who couldn't walk up the stairs, physically couldn't walk up, but couldn't afford a stairlift, was offered suicide. There's a teenager who's depressed. I mean, what teenager hasn't felt depressed at some point was offered suicide? So the poor, the vulnerable, the burdens on society.

I mean, use that in inverted commas, because everyone feels like a burden at some point in their lives. And if you're vulnerable and you're innocent, why should you be offered death as a solution to a worldly problem? It's monstrous. And people will say there'll be protections in place. Yeah, there will be protections in place, but it doesn't matter because once this is on the legislation, once this is in our law, it will be twisted and manipulated. We already see every other law of

the land being twisted and manipulated against the people at present. Do we trust our government and our National Health Service to have our best interests at heart at all times when they have massive bills to pay? They have millions and billions of pounds to find find left right and center and actually it's far cheaper to end our life than to keep us alive there's also calvin the prospect of capitalism becoming a big part of the death market and look we already see in the daily Telegraph this week that Dr. Philip Nitschke is ready to launch his very controversial invention of death pods in Britain if the assisted dying law passes. Your thoughts? It makes me sick. I mean, there are so many things we talk about that I get angry about or passionate about,

but this one just makes me feel physically sick, that people are trying to capitalise on state-sanctioned killing of vulnerable people. And that's exactly what this is. We can't talk about it any other way. We're already seeing that. So these billboards around Westminster, on the London Underground,

which, I mean, first of all, how are they allowed? Well, you're not allowed a skinny model in a bikini, but somehow you're allowed to promote death, for goodness sake. The moral compass of the people selecting these ads is ridiculous. But these have been pushed by Global. And I know you've been speaking to Charlotte Gill, who's put some good videos together. This is the one you're showing on screen now, I believe. And she's looked into this. And Global seemed to be behind a lot of this push for death. They are bankrolling our good friend, Carol Vordman. They're bankrolling the led by donkeys.

They're bankrolling, of course, news agents. And so there's lots of far left activity being pushed in the United Kingdom by Global, much in the same way that George Soros pushes it in the United States. For some reason, there are dark forces at play here with people with a lot of money and a depopulation agenda that are pushing euthanasia at the same time that abortion is being pushed. And so at the start of our life and the end of our life, somehow the state wants to have control. And we can't take all of these things out of context what's the biggest fight we're having in the united kingdom right now farmers their land is being taken away from them so it's all about all of it comes down to power how we live when we live how we feed ourselves when we're allowed to live the state

has way too much authority at the moment it is like a communist regime. It terrifies me that if my mother gets old or my father gets old and they become disabled or they're mentally incapable, that the state will be having a conversation with them about potentially ending their lives. And it will be pushed. People say it won't be pushed. It will be pushed. I know so many women already who've gone to the doctor because they've fallen pregnant in circumstances outside of their control and abortion has been pushed as an option rather than offered as an option rather than having a conversation you know liberals will say it's a conversation you can't have a choice I would say that choice is abhorrent but even either way to have it pushed on vulnerable women is

disgusting and so if abortion is pushed at the one end of the life why wouldn't euthanasia be pushed at the other end of the life why wouldn't they say well you know what you're right you are suffering you're not going to get better your life is going to be miserable from now on you've got kids you know maybe you want to think about leaving them your estate while you still can get around inheritance tax the government's pushing etc etc etc maybe the best option is or one of the options you could take is ending your life now it's disgusting it's evil and actually we want to help people live as long as they are naturally living the whole premise of life is from conception until natural death and that's the only good way to live you mentioned this great work that charlotte gill is doing father calvin there's also

a really odd thing going on with Paul Brand from ITV. Now, do you remember Paul Brand was the guy who effectively is credited with driving Boris Johnson from office? He was completely obsessed about it. But he doesn't give a damn about focusing on terrible examples of corruption and lies from Labour MPs like Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, which I'll come to in one second. But Charlotte has done some real investigation into this and is showing that Paul Brand has actually become an activist for assisted dying. So she posts on X, look how many tweets Paul Brand has done about assisted dying. I actually stopped copying them as there were so many. This isn't normal. This isn't news. And what's so interesting, Calvin, is the posts that

he makes are all in favour of assisted dying. So for example, this poll by More in Common, finding that the public apparently support assisted dying by five to one that's being debunked as soon as you show the public the details of the bill he uh talks about uh liz kendall talking about assisted dying he retweets i care starmer talking about it it's very interesting isn't it that the media class, Father Calvin, have effectively decided to campaign on this issue. We live in a death cult, don't we? Our society is so dark. Our population is decreasing rapidly. Our birth rate is 1.4. It used to be 2.4. It's gone down in the last couple of decades in that the mother and

the father are no longer replacing themselves in the family we have abortion as the biggest killer of people in the west 250 000 babies are killed every year in the uk and now we're talking about ending even more lives like why everywhere we look are we killing and ending lives why are we not incentivizing the family why are we we not encouraging people to have big families, to have children and to grow the nation and therefore grow the economy? Why are we pushing death on native Britons, left, right and centre, whilst having mass legal and illegal immigration at the same time?

I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm really not. But it does look like some kind of mass replacement theory is under play. It looks like the people with vested interests are making a killing somehow and it always comes down to money i don't know where the money trail leads to in this regard but it always comes down to money yeah and literally making a killing calvin uh look speaking of rachel reeves uh i actually want to give credit right now to our former employers at GB News. Because, Calvin, I have been saying for weeks, why has no mainstream media journalist, not one, put a question about Rachel Reeves' fake lives

and her completely concocted CV and loads of other lies. Why has not one journalist in this country put the question to anyone representing Labour, anyone from the government? They certainly haven't asked Rachel Reeves. They haven't asked Starmer. Finally, GB News did ask a Labour minister. It was the employment minister, Alison McGovern, and it was Isabel Webster, who was the journalist with the balls to do this. Let's take a look at the exchange cover and I'll get you to react off the back. What would you say to anybody who's thinking about doctoring their CV? Would that be considered within the rules?

I ask as, of course, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has been found guilty of that, although facing no repercussions for it. I'm really sorry, I'm not sure what you're referring to there, because the Chancellor of the Exchequer is an extremely qualified person to be taking on her role. She lied on her LinkedIn, as well, you know, claiming to have been an economist at the Bank of England when she worked in retail at HSBC, totally different.

No, she was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but she was an economist at the Bank of England. Yes, but not the dates that she claimed. And she was a very well qualified economist. It was also while she was a trainee at university. To do her job. OK, so that's fine within the rules for any youngster that want to get on. So she was a Bank of England economist. I'm not really sure what we're, I'm not really sure what we're arguing here.

You brought up rules and people trying to get jobs. I was just checking whether or not that was permitted. As I said people should stick to the rules. You've put to me some kind of allegation that Rachel Reeves is not an economist when in fact she is and. And she's a very well-qualified person to be doing her job. My allegation was about her changing her LinkedIn, which we know to be a fact. Anyway, we can move on because we're not progressing here. Good on her. Father Calvin, good on her for putting the question.

Pathetic answer. They don't like it, I promise. She did not like being asked that question and of course they always twist it. You've accused her of not being an economist, she's an economist. No, we're accusing her of lying on her CV and saying she was something that she wasn't at a time that she wasn't. It's very

clear what happened. Don't try and weasel out of it. This is why people don't like politicians. They can never be straight up can be. But yeah, fair play to Isabel Webster. Always liked Isabel Webster. As far as moderates go, she's a good'un. Yes, indeed. Indeed. Father Calvin, stand by.

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while the two men that seem to be particularly targeted by Tommy's activists, Piers Morgan and Peter Cardwell, were broadcasting. But first let me show you the specific incidents that have really upset Tommy's supporters, which were broadcast on Peter Cardwell's weekend show. Watch this one first. Thank you to everybody online who has been in touch,

including all those people who are saying that I'm a liar and that Tommy Robinson isn't a racist. I mean, he is. Just, you know, do some basic research and you'll find out. So thank you to everybody who's been in touch, including those people who've been horrible and some who haven't been horrible. Some who've been totally respectful

and just saying they disagree with me, and that's OK. If we disagree without being disagreeable it actually got even better because then a caller confronted peter cardwell live on air the producers because i know having worked at talk radio they have one of those dump buttons which means that they can actually delay what goes out. They can effectively censor a call who might make a comment that they feel is unpalatable or challenges the host in some way. So they started doing that, but I will give credit to Peter Cardwell. He actually said, no, I want to have the conversation. Watch what happened.

Oh, no, no, don't take her off don't take her off it's okay it's all right deb sorry go ahead say that again i think it's about time that you apologize for calling tommy robinson a racist which he's not i don't know whether you have any evidence of that at all and also there's actually a demonstration going on outside your your studios right now are you aware of that no i'm not actually debs but thank you for letting me know um thanks for your call appreciate that um now then weena says i don't think you did appreciate it and let's just say what was going on outside the news uk offices was quite something this is based and bougie who is quite a rising star in Tommy Robinson's world because she is a young black woman who very much supports him.

She was part of the demonstration. Watch. He was a far right, racist, Islamophobic extremist. And me being 11 years old and very impressionable, I believed it. Until maybe 12, 14 years later, I decided, he came up on my FYP, and I decided to just watch an interview. It was just a one-hour interview. So as I was watching the interview, I was waiting to hear that right-wing extremist, Islamophobic, racist comment, and I couldn't hear anything. So I decided to watch a second interview, waiting for that right-wing extremist,

Islamophobic comment, still couldn't hear anything I decided to watch a third, a fourth, a fifth, a sixth interview and I still couldn't find this character that they played to Tommy Robinson out to be Now I'm a very curious individual So when I'm intrigued by something nothing will stop me from exploring it and after watching a couple of Tommy Robinson's interviews I realized that this man was on a mission not to create an all-white britain but to actually protect britain and to protect children that's it from mick tencone the leader of the ukip party was also there with a very strong message to both p Cardwell and Piers Morgan. And while Tommy Robinson is behind bars,

his account on X posted Peter Cardwell should hang his head in shame for making such ridiculous, false and dangerous claims while live on air. Okay, Father Calvin Robinson, I guess we both have a bit of a soft spot for talk, right? I mean, you were a big part of it. I hosted the Drive Time show there during 2020, but I'd been there for a few years beforehand. Personal friends with Julia Hartley Brewer, Mike Graham, Alex Phillips. Not that that necessarily means that I agree with everything they say. I don't know Peter Cardwell, but I see him popping up all the time on the bbc father calvin and i have my suspicions that he's one of these guys and we know these guys calvin because we knew many of them at gb news

who are using a platform like talk or gb news to actually get where they really want to get to which is the msm wanting to work for the b the BBC or Sly News or something like that? Am I being unfair? I think possibly a little bit. I, like you, also have a soft spot for talk. And the thing I like about it is that Julia Hardy Brewer, who I adore, is anti-religion. She's anti-Christian. Yet we still get on.

So we're still able to have a friendship and have conversations without agreeing on every single thing, even things that are core to my being. That's old fashioned liberalism. And so that's what talk managed to do for the most part. Peter Cardwell, I like on a personal level. He helped train me up back in the day, but he wasn't even on air anymore. But he was still somehow on their payroll. I don't know what his official role was. but I think what he's fallen foul of here is the thing that many of us do in that the narrative for so long has been Tommy Robinson racist, Tommy Robinson racist that you just believe it without

checking and I've tweeted Peter to ask him what evidence he has because he's so dismissive there he's like well of course Tommy Robinson's racist do some basic research but the question is okay so what basic research have you done, Peter? Have you just drank the Kool-Aid and listened to the propaganda? If so, perhaps he needs to do his own research. And then I would like for him to apologise. I do think he is man enough to say

I was wrong on that. That's what I'm hoping. He's doubling down. He's doubling down. Has he taken the time to do any research and have a conversation with anyone? Let's get him on your show or I'll go on his show. Let's get him to actually speak about why he believes this without any evidence. But see, this is what's interesting, Calvin.

And I give real credit to Alex Phillips because even though she still has an MSM job, she's trying to carve out a career, quite rightly, in the independent space. She's launched her sub stack. She came here the other day. She admitted that she'd previously got it wrong about Tommy Robinson. She also said, I mean, we spoke about it at the time, but she also said, actually, people in the mainstream media are too gutless to talk about him. Now, I think because we have both been in the mainstream media, Calvin, we should explain how this works. Because you tried multiple times at GB News to get Tommy Robinson on air. But at GB News, it's almost like you end up on a band list. And when you're on that band list, which by the way, we both are now,

they pretend that you don't exist. So it's not that they even have a debate about you which i wouldn't mind like have the debate and say father calvin's terrible on this or tommy robinson's wrong on this or katie hopkins is wrong on this and also say when we're right as well but in fact what they do calvin and this is why we know they're part of the mainstream media they deperson the people who they have cancelled it's like if you watch gb news tommy robinson doesn't exist unless there was a very very brief mention of him being jailed same with katie hopkins same with you same with lawrence fox same with me i tried very hard to get all of them on gb news actually i I thought, I've been granted my own show. Fantastic.

I can get whoever I like on. No. No, no, no, no. And there's a blacklist. But I never saw the blacklist. So people that were blackballed were put on this blacklist that only producers would see. And it's supposed to be that the producers are helping

the presenter with their show. But it seemed that quite a lot of the time, they thought they were puppet masters. And they thought they were there to hold us back from speaking too much truth i even at one point got permission from the ceo to get katie hopkins on my show yet i still couldn't do it i i've got permission from the top boss and i still couldn't get her on what was the reason given the producers would say no we're not it's not happening and i'm like well what can i do about that i'll push back

as much as I can. I tried to get Tommy Robinson on, but of course that was never going to happen. I tried to get Carl Benjamin on, who I think is quite moderate. You know, he's a reasonable centrist, bless him. He's a good man. But they said, no, not happening.

And so when they say no, there's very little you can do other than throw a tantrum and that gets you nowhere. And the point is, if you are one of these presenters in the mainstream media even if you agree with tommy robinson or katie hopkins it's probably just not worth you speaking out right it's that's that's or that's how they would think oh let's just let's just keep quiet on this it's just not it's not worth the hassle which is why i give huge credit for alex phillips actually interviewing tommy robinson on her independent platform

talking about tommy robinson on this platform in very positive terms while she still has a show on talk tv because honestly calvin it does make her vulnerable for cancellation and we can assume that if a Alex Phillips, bless her, I love her, she's great, if she has interviewed him on her private platforms, we can assume that she's tried to at least get him onto her professional platform too. And if that hasn't happened, we can also assume that someone at Talk does not want it to happen. Oh no, 100%. 100%. You're not allowed to have Tommy Robinsony robinson on talk you're not

you're just not allowed to do it because they can have pizza cardboard slander him all day they can have people libeling him all day calling me this that and the other but they can't get him on to give his fair share that's not right is it well it's not right calvin when they put ash sarkar on one of the most racist people i would argue in britain you know they have absolutely or dr scholler for example i mean i mean you know i don't believe in deplatforming anyone as you know i had narendra kher on the show the other day to to debate with her over the katherine tweets because i don't believe that people should be deplatformed at all. But I'm sorry, there is a complete hypocrisy when you say that it's absolutely fine to have hard left race baiters

or straight out racists on air, but not a Tommy Robinson or a Katie Hopkins. And the Katie Hopkins thing is fascinating because, I mean, when I was first at The Sun, she was a completely mainstream figure. She had her weekly newspaper column there. She had a show on LBC. She then moved to the mail online. So, you know, how can someone be considered completely palatable

to the mainstream media in 2016, but by 2024, be so revolting in their view that her name must not even be uttered? lefties don't want conversations. They want their own narrative parroted out. And that's why, you know, Jeremy Vine has a panel of two or three hard left people. And people like this, Channel 5 and all these mainstream platforms, they love it when the rest of us kick off about it, because it gets them a lot of traction and people are talking about their rubbish shows again. But it's just bad journalism. It's bad for all of us. Can we go back to having actual conversations and open debates in good faith rather than shouting over each other and all that nonsense that we see now? Yeah, but Father Calvin, we cannot ever trust the mainstream media again to have those conversations. We can't.

And I think we absolutely can trust the independent media to have these conversations. What the concern is for all of us is where we're allowed to have these conversations. Because if Elon Musk hadn't purchased X, Katie Hopkins would not have an account. Graham Linehan would not have an account. And certainly there's no way Tommy Robinson would have an account. Often having these conversations on YouTube will see you be demonetized. I think that's what happened with your interview with Tommy.

Or certainly I know other people like Maya Toosey who interviewed Tommy. They get demonetized as a result. I've got a very small YouTube channel, but my interview with Tommy Robinson is the biggest hitter on my channel and it's demonetized. And they put these warnings on there about incendiary person or something like that. It's like, well, how is he incendiary?

He's just speaking common sense. Again, it just doesn't fit the left-wing narrative. It's terrible. But this isn't just mainstream media. This is everything. You know, I got attacked by Professor Kehinde Andrews, who called me a coon, house negro, Uncle Tom. His video on YouTube is fine.

No comments there. That's perfectly acceptable. Funny coincidence, by the way, that his black studies course at birmingham city university is no longer being taken up it's being oh my goodness i saw you i saw you post on this so so tell me everything is this finally sort of like woke exiting the stage in academia or is that far too positive to think i think he's reaping what he sowed in that he has a course that is literally teaching people critical race theory no one's choosing that course and so the university is saying well we're going to stop

funding it because we can't fund it indefinitely if no one's no one's selecting it and he's like well this is racism it's because we have a white chancellor this that it's like no stop peddling your race gender your race agenda nobody wants it it's toxic it's divisive it's tearing this country apart go do something productive with your life and of course he's the bff of prince harry and megan of course uh cover look i want to end on something fun uh darren grimes brought my attention to this he posted on x saying paul clary a 71 year old pensioner who volunteers as Santa every year, has been sacked for sharing a jokey social media post comparing Keir Starmer to an elf. Yes, seriously. And Santa himself, Paul Cleary, went on GB News to have this discussion with Martin Dauphiney.

I've been accused of sending racist and or derogatory remarks on my Facebook page about the Labour government. So I received a letter from the trust where I volunteered at Santa. Into any details, I understand that the post was about comparing Keir Starmer to an elf, is that right? So was it an elf and safety issue? It was an elf with Keir Starmer's face on it, in front of number 10, but the 10 was the I and O in idiot. Right. I mean, you know, it's not the kind of thing that Santa would normally say,

but it's a free country. And for that, Santa got the sack. Yeah. But maybe a great sport. My songs and another charity are going to benefit. Father Calvin, your reaction. Martin Daubner getting all the puns in there. Elf and safety.

Santa got the sack. Oh dear, what's daytime TV become? But I mean, that poor chap getting sacked for just commenting on a social media platform about the government. Who isn't commenting about the government right now? The government is awful. It's got nothing to do with him sitting there playing Santa in front of the kids. He's not going to tell

the kids, like, Keir Starmer's stolen your presents this year. I mean, come on. It's got nothing to do with it. But it's all about stopping us having conversations, even if you were Santa. Father Calvin Robinson, absolutely brilliant to have you. We will speak next week.

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