Dan Wootton Outspoken - RACHEL REEVES BREAKDOWN AS STARMER GOVERNMENT IS DESTROYED & ANGELA RAYNER TAKES CHARGE

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Get 25% Off @goPure with code DAN at https://www.gopurebeauty.com/DAN #goPurepod BREAKING RIGHT NOW: After Slippery Starmer’s very public breakdown last week, Rachel From Accounts – Britain’s failed Chancellor driving us to bankruptcy – broke down in PMQs today as the husk of a Prime Minister, whose last vestiges of authority have now slipped away, failed to back her. Starmer’s exit from Downing Street was indicative of how this socialist government is about to fall flat on its face, dragging the country down with it. And Angela Rayner is now running the show! In his Digest Dan reveals how even the complicit MSM is now turning on Two Tier Keir. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: The head of Fair Fuel UK and ex-Reform London mayoral candidate Howard Cox and broadcaster Curis Hinton. PLUS: Ant Middleton and Derek Chisora – the two favourites to be Reform UK’s London mayoral candidate – side with Tommy Robinson. AND: A massive on air bust up between Reform UK MP Sarah Pochin and Talk host Julia Hartley Brewer. Whose side are you on? THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Catherine, the Princess of Wales, makes her first public appearance since fears for her health after her last minute decision to pull out of Royal Ascot, as Meghan Markle’s crass wine launch on Princess Diana’s birthday is branded a disaster. YouTube sensations The Sidley Twins join us today. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No frills delivers. Get groceries delivered to your door from No Frills with PC Express. Shop online and get $15 in PC Optimum Points on your first five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca. No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken Live, episode number 261 and breaking right now. After Slippery Stammer's very public breakdown last week, Rachel from accounts, Britain's failed Chancellor, driving us to bankruptcy, broke down in PNQs today as the husk of a Prime Minister whose last vestiges of authority have now slipped away, failed to back her. And may I take this opportunity to thank our outstanding British Transport Police for everything way failed to actually spend. Slippery Starmers exit from Downing Street was indicative of how this

socialist government is about to fall flat on its face, dragging the country down with it. And guess what? This hard-left woman is now the woman really running the show. I'm a Prime Minister after a year or two in government. And people always say to me, do you want me to promise you that? Not a chance it'll age me by 10 years within six months. And it has. It does.

Bullshit. In my digest next, I'll reveal how even the complicit MSM is now turning on two-tier care. Then the superstar panel weigh in. on two-tier care. Then the superstar panel weigh-in, head of Fairfuel UK, ex-Reform London mayoral candidate, now member of Advance UK Howard Cox and the broadcaster Curtis Hinton making his outspoken debut. Also coming up on the show today, Aunt Middleton and Derek Chisora, the two favourites to be Reform UK's next London mayoral candidate side with Tommy Robinson over Nigel Farage. Meanwhile Farage emerges on the trans flag row issue as the war of the right explodes

and a massive on-air bust-up between Reform UK MP Sarah Pochon and talk host Julia Hartley-Brewer, I'll show you what happened and then ask whose side are you on? Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, delighted about this, Catherine, the Princess of Wales, making her first public appearance since Fears for Her Health after her last minute decision to pull out of Royal Ascot as Meghan Markle's crass wine launch on Princess Diana's birthday is branded a disaster. So today we're teaming up with the YouTube sensations, the Sidley twins, for all the Royal news.

You can sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. We'll also reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass at the end of the show, but you can vote for Union Jackass right now. If you're watching on YouTube, just head to the live chat. Here are your nominees. Monica Fogarty, nominated by Mick Cass for refusing to take down the moronic progressive pride flag at Reform UK's request.

John Sople, nominated by Karen Hanke for his U-turn on Labour who he promised was going to be brilliant in government and Carol Vorderman nominated by Macass0487 who says she thinks Labour are a 3 out of 10 but doing a better job than the useless Tories. Okay, big show today, lots of breaking news, so let's go. Do you remember when the MSM promised that life under Slippery Stama and his socialist incompetence, Rachel from Accounts and Red Rainer, was apparently going to be some sort of utopia. Labour propagandist John Sople of the fake news agents posted, don't want to do the whole prophetic fallacy thing.

But as Stammer drives to Downing Street, the sun comes out. What a contrast to May 22nd when Sunak launched the election campaign. Channel 4's hard left Tory haterater-in-chief, Krishnan Gurumurthy, actually claims things would be so straightforward that political reporting as we know it was just over. He wrote, The challenges for political broadcasting is enormous and rather satisfying to watch. After years of personality driven and chaotic shallow politics coverage across much of the media which was largely about instability, gossip and leadership crises, we now have a government with a massive majority,

widespread internal agreement and no likelihood of massive instability any time soon. A great environment for programs like Channel 4 News full of policy nerds and people who prefer to argue about what ideas work than who should be the front person. Oh. My. God. They actually believed slippery starmers hype. They are pathetic. But no one looks more foolish today than Andrew Marr, who promised this on Question Time. Well, a couple of sources of optimism, because I completely agree with the question there.

We have to be optimistic looking forward. I think just having a stable government that will be there for five, maybe ten years, who knows, but with sort of ordinary, down-to-earth, serious people talking like the rest of us in charge of the government and a plan that doesn't shift very much for investment is going to be a wall of money coming into this country from around the world. You look at the chaos going on in the continent, particularly in France, you look at the chaos likely ahead in the United States, and suddenly, for once, for the first time in many the United States, and suddenly, for once, for the first time in many of our lives, actually Britain looks like a little haven of peace and stability, and that in itself is going to draw money into this country.

You mate are nothing but a propagandist and you now look like a fool. And that folks is why you must never trust a word these complicit MSM labour stooges say again. Because less than a year after those moments, this joke of a government driving the UK into the gutter both financially and culturally has collapsed. Stammer, slippery stammer is no longer in charge of the government. But what's most terrifying is that Red Rainer Angela is. Stama's exit from Downing Street today was indicative of how this socialist government is about to fall flat on its face, dragging the country with it. And Tutankhia's very public breakdown last week was actually nothing,

it turns out, compared to his embattled Chancellor Rachel Thieves breaking down in tears at PMQs today after Stammer refused to back her. May I take this opportunity to thank our outstanding British Transport Police for everything that they do to support staff and passengers. Mr Speaker, we've put in place the most significant funding for farmers in the budget, we've got a road map for work for farmers that we're working on and of course where they fail to actually spend. Now look, it's never nice seeing a woman cry, is it? But I don't intend to be patronising today.

And given the Be Kind Lefty Lovies were all firmly behind Stammer, it's astonishing to me that they have no problem with the fact that this dude has a track record of treating the most important women in his life like a piece of shit and regularly bringing them to tears, just ask Lady Victoria Stammer, his wife, a woman who I genuinely have sympathy for. But when it comes to Stammer and Reeves, unfortunately,

it's our country. These two cretins are destroyed and we deserve so much better. So unlike the complicit and compliant, and let's be honest frankly pathetic as I've just proven MSM, I have absolutely no problem with the uncompromising approach taken by which prompted Reeves' breakdown. The man has forgotten that his welfare bill was there to plug a black hole created by the Chancellor. Instead, they're creating new ones. They're creating new ones. She looks, Mr Speaker, she's pointing at me, she looks absolutely miserable. Labour MPs, Labour MPs,she looks absolutely miserable—can point as much as they like. The fact is that Labour MPs are going on the record saying that the Chancellor is toast, and the reality is that she is a human shield for his incompetent. In January, he said that she would be imposed until the next election. Will she really?

She certainly will not. I have to say that I am always cheered up when she asks me questions or responds to a statement, because she always makes a complete mess of it and shows just how unserious and irrelevant they are. She talks about the black hole. They left a £22 billion black hole in our economy and we are clearing it up. I am really proud that in the first year of a Labour Government we got free school meals, breakfast clubs, childcare. We got £15 billion invested in transport in the north and the midlands. We have had a regulation, planning and infrastructure infrastructure pounding forward, building 1.5 million homes, the biggest investment in social and affordable housing, and the

three trade deals. Remember the ones that they could not get, including the US trade deal. On Monday, those tariffs came down. That secured the jobs at JLR. That is what we are here about on this side of the House. How awful for the Chancellor that he couldn't confirm that she would stay in place. And that's when she started sobbing. Now of course Labour's liars soon tried to blame the Speaker of the House and personal issues that she wouldn't reveal publicly. And my god, the client journalists, the client journalists of Labour were even more pathetic. Look at this from Paul Brand of Woke ITV, who saw that and decided to post a tear just rolled

down the Chancellor's cheek at PMQs as the PM refuses to answer whether or not she'll stay in her job. Hay fever? Or something else? And that's what Sly News did too. I'm not even joking. Just watch. And we do not know what is going on with the Chancellor right now. Which about hay fever? There may be personal reasons.

There might be private reasons. There might be conditions like hay fever. To be honest, let you into the sausage factory, Jane, we are asking her team we have not had a reply. You are embarrassing yourselves. We see you. But look, after this past week, this absolutely catastrophic shit show of a government has now started to lose its biggest supporters as in the MSN because Even they realize it's over. It's done and they are preparing for a prime minister Reina It may not happen this week this month or even this year, but it's gonna happen Even John Sopel of the fake news agents who I mentioned earlier now admits Stammer is in charge of a total mess.

He wrote on X, the political ineptitude and mismanagement is epic, the WIPs office, the Downing Street operation and DWP should be hanging their head in shame, and truly disastrous for Keir Stammer and what's left of his authority. I did appreciate this reply from Baroness Foster though who said, is this really you? Never thought I'd hear you criticise a UK Labour government. And that shows you how bad things are. Because watch the fake news agent actually use the same word as me. Shit. When it comes to this government in conversation with Labour MP Chris Curtis. I'm going to put it bluntly, crudely. Are things shit?

Yeah, I think lots of things are pretty shit. And it's why you need a government with the determination to unshitify it as quickly and as radically as possible. And look, talk about from a polling perspective, I know what the consequences will be if we can't start to show real progress on this in the next few years. Nigel Farage could be running this country and think about the devastating consequences of that man running this country, breaking more things than he fixes. That's going to happen unless we can start to get more money

into the pay packets of working people. We can stop those boats crossing the channel or significantly get the numbers down. When people go and smash up their local co-op or ATM, they're not nothing seems to happen. We need to fix that problem and the petty crime problem. People feel like their local communities are looking worse, looking more rundown than they used to. And whenever you interact with a public service, it doesn't seem to work. We need to show progress on those issues.

And that's how parties in opposition normally speak, isn't it, when you don't have the power. Yeah. But you do have the power now. Labour does have the power. So, I mean, has this year been squandered? you don't have the power. But you do have the power now. Labour does have the power. So I mean, has this year been squandered? I don't think that's true. I mean, there are lots of things we've made progress on. We shouldn't pretend that progress is going to be quick or change comes about quickly. Yes, Emily, mate-less, client journalist, the year has been squandered. But it's far, far worse than that.

Because we're divided, free speech has been taken away, the money's rushing out of the country and the invasion is continuing. Now, can you believe that even that blithering Labour apologist idiot, Matthew Stadlen, has turned on the government too. As someone who voted for this government, I have got my head in my hands at the moment because he'd already given an interview to his... And is it specifically Matthew because of the U-turns? Is it specifically because of the issue with Sue Gray or the freebies row that engulf government? We're coming into... What is it?

Yes, we're coming right up to the one-year anniversary. I do not think it has been a good year for this government. It has done some good stuff. But the reason I've got my head in my hands, apart from the fact that it has been a very challenging start, and there's this sense that Labour wasn't quite ready for government and that they were so focused on not making mistakes in the build-ups of the general election and being cautious, that actually they took their eye off the ball of what are they going to achieve

in their first 100 days, let alone their first year. The reason I've got my head in my hands this morning is because Starmor had already given an interview to Tom Baldwin in The Observer, his biographer, in which he had U-turned on things he had said recently. So, for example, the speech on immigration, which was supposed to be a flagship speech in which he talked about a nation of strangers or we would be at risk

of becoming a nation of strangers, he's now saying he didn't mean to say that. Now, I welcome the idea that he didn't really mean to say it or he shouldn't have said it, he regretted it, but for a prime minister a few weeks after making a keynote speech to say actually he shouldn't have said what he said the big head blind point. And even Bef Rigby, the political editor of Sly News who over the weekend was trying to say how wonderful these interviews of Stammer were because we're getting to see the real man rather than actually say no, the blokes having a breakdown has admitted it's all over, posting on X. So much for the end to chaos and sticking plaster politics, the PM faced down the party and lost. It's only going to get even harder

from now as the PM who promised to put the country first gets pinned back by his party. So now all attention turns to Red Rayner who proved last night that she is the one now in control. As Dan Hodges revealed Labour rebels in the Commons tonight very clear, the person who brokered the starboard climb down was Angela Rayner. She was the person who finally convinced him he needed to give in. On Lorraine this morning Rainer was fooling no one. From a human point of view when you look at Keir Starmer he looks tired, he looks under siege. As a person how is he? You know I mean because you're working with him all the time. You know because you know the strains of this he looks absolutely exhausted and some people have said he's not going to be here after know, because you know, the strains of this, he looks absolutely

exhausted and some people have said, he's not going to be here after Christmas, he doesn't have the stomach for it or he might be ousted, we don't know. Do you know what, even before I was in politics I said that, have you ever seen a Prime Minister after a year or two in government? And people always say to me, do you want to be Prime Minister? Not a chance it'll age me by 10 years within six months. And it has. It does, It does. Anyone who's been Prime Minister is a very challenging job.

And they've been, to be fair for Keir Starmer, there's been a lot going on. He's been all around the world trying to repair the relationships in Europe. I mean, she's not denying it. She's not even denying it. But look, the problems are only going to get worse for the disunited kingdom whether it is Starmer who stays in charge with Reyna really running the show or whether Reyna actually gets the top job. I mean look at this the invasion of terrorists, rapists, drug dealers and child traffickers which Starmer promised to smash is continuing at record levels. I

don't even believe those numbers. Okay, that's 20,000 that we know of that the government actually agrees to publish. I actually think it's at least double that because remember so much of this invasion is also taking place via lorries. But as those people who want to destroy us enter, what's worse is that the wealth creators cannot leave Great Britain fast enough. As GB Politics explained, the United Kingdom is experiencing an unprecedented single-year exodus of wealth, with an estimated 16,500 high net worth individuals projected to establish residency abroad. Now I warned for years of the risk of a SIPRES-STAMA government. I wasn't one of these apologists at GB News. I was saying every single night, don't do this. It's gonna be terrible. And we are now experiencing the true cost of that terrible man being in charge. I hate to tell you that using that Blair 1997 campaign song,

things are only going to get much worse before they get better. Now, the superstar panel. Delighted to be joined by the first time today by the broadcaster Curtis Hinton and welcome back to Howard Cox, the head of Fairfuel UK, former Reform UK mayoral candidate, now a member of Advance UK, a senior member too, and we'll talk much more about that later in this show. But Howard, to this breaking news today, it's calamitous. It's all falling apart. What did you make of those scenes of Rachel Reeves literally sobbing behind Slippery Starmer at the Dispatch Box?

Reeves literally sobbing behind Slippery Starmer at the dispatch box? Well, I can't believe all the reasons coming out from the lefty papers and the people that you put out just now. My wife and I were watching PMQs and my wife first thing said, she's going to be sacked. And she's obviously under pressure big time. And she did. And I'm going to be kind to her because she didn't look well and she didn't it was terrible to look at it was actually I think to be honest Keir Starme just shows what a horrible nasty piece of work he is he could have easily just said you know you got sat down with her next to her when while they questions are being asked of him he goes just Patrick and said you okay because that's what you do with working with people closely with you. You don't have that situation. I know politics is

a ruthless game but this man has got a super majority and he's delivered multiple U-turns and I'm afraid the person's putting his strings is sitting the other right hand side of him, Angela Rayner. Absolutely and he is a heartless droid of a man. And while I have absolutely no sympathy for the place that Rachel from accounts has left the country, of course, it is shocking to see Stammer allowing a woman in that state to enter the debating chamber in the first place, then to sit next to him, they're not a word of support, Kurtis centered. I mean, these are extraordinary scenes. And the problem is, they can't cover this up now. I mean, we've known what's going on behind the scenes and how this is collapsing for a very long time. But this is like crossover point, right? Because those pictures are iconic for all of the wrong reasons. And everyone in the country is going to be aware that our Chancellor was breaking down in the middle of PMQs which by the way sent the markets into turmoil.

There's a real cost to this Curtis. Yeah I think Howard said it perfectly in terms of the human element. She is in this position, God knows how, but Starmer has kind of forced this. We will blame Rachel from accounts for a lot of it as she is the Chancellor. But Starmer is doing nothing. He's taking no responsibility. And I fear he actually thinks that this doesn't matter. Like you said it perfectly, Dan. This is now so public. Like my mum who doesn't even follow politics is going to see this on the paper tomorrow. But it's, it's Starmers way in terms of he's going to wake up tomorrow morning like nothing's happened today. Oh, totally. Because he's a droid, you know, this is a guy who has always had his strings pulled. He will do anything to be in power. He will say anything to be in power. So now

the fact that he's being controlled by the hard left of the party just means one thing. We are going to suffer again. Howard, I know with the Fairfew campaign you know what's coming and just look at the new statesman cover today. This shameless organization that Andrew Maher is the political editor of. Just raise tax. He's going to have to do it, isn't he Howard? Because at the end of the day, that's where the left of labour is. Just tax us into bloody oblivion so more and more rich people choose to leave the country.

You're absolutely right, Ben. I mean, as you know, I've been doing this for 15 years and we've managed to freeze fuel duty in that time and I was surprised that Rachel from accounts in the last budget did actually catch it frozen. It was hell of a lobbying time I had involved at that point but she got three choices and obviously the one is to print money, borrow money or put up taxes. And with this situation now, I'm afraid the easiest of targets is 37 million motorists. And we are still the highest tax drivers in the world, but that won't stop her being forced into a situation now.

And we've also joined a European carbon trading system, and they're talking about putting 10p up on diesel and petrol and on top of that there'll be a 10p fuel duty. So you're looking at 20p increase which on average car at 55 litres you're looking at £11 increase, fill up costs and you imagine what a sort of a 400 litre HGV truck's got to pay. And what's that going gonna do to our economy? Oh indeed well it's a war on drivers just like we've seen a war on workers just like we've seen a war on the elderly and obviously there's only one real beneficiary Curtis Hinton and actually before you weigh in I just want to show you this new Reform UK campaign ad new Reform UK campaign ad. this what an absolute classic this was unforgettable to celebrate 12 months of Sir Keir Starmer now that's what I call U-turns. Kursus I thought that ad was very, very effective. Yeah, it's literally British humour, but the only way we're having to deal with it now

is by having to try and laugh at it, right? Because it's so true, and everyone knows it as well, and it's just, it's an iconic British album that comes out every year, and to link it with the Labour Party at the moment, it's just, they're the policy of U-turn Party at the moment, it's just, they're the policy of U-turns at the moment, aren't they? So Howard, you're a political strategist amongst other things. How does Angela Rayner play this now? How long does she wait? My feeling is that she waits some time, actually, because she's got Stammer and Reeves where she wants them and she can sort of

pull the strings, manoeuvre in the background, know that actually all of the power is now in her hands before striking at a point where she knows there's no way that she won't win. Well, Dan, it's very simple. The point is she she could he's got plenty of time to wait. You know, they got to effectively till 2029. It'll be sooner than that. But she doesn't have to do anything because she played a blinder on this. The the benefits bill, you know, you know, we were trying to save five billion, it went down to two and a half billion. Now it's not saving anything. She's played a blinder because she's played into her left-wing MPs on the side. They are going to be

backing her to the hill because she's delivered what they wanted and these left-wing MPs have never had a job, they're economically illiterate and they want to follow some sort of icon. And Lorraine is becoming a celebrity icon for the party. She just needs to buy the time, Dan. You've got it spot on. Absolutely. She's going to win. I mean, look at that softball interview, Curtis, from Lorraine this morning. Angela Rainer is playing the celebrity game. She's keeping out of all of the mess of government. She's turning herself into a star rather than a politician. It's a very clever political strategy. I've been saying for months and people don't

want to hear it Curtis, but I have been saying for months, she is our next prime minister. And that, that is bloody terrifying because she's going to push us even further into a socialist housecape and we already run out of money. Yeah it's worrying. I mean Dan you've worked on that sort of program. You know why people go on there. They go on there to promote themselves, not to promote politics. We saw during Covid when Boris went on to ITV on this morning and was talking about, they were on there to promote something. It wasn't anything actually in favour of the British people. And yeah, it's worrying. And the thing is, is everyone's watching this, millions across the country who are going to be affected by this and it's just going to get worse.

Yes, she went on today. Lorraine has been used, actually Lorraine Kelly and the program has been used a lot by very divisive politicians. The example that comes to mind for me, Howard, is Nicola Sturgeon, scheming Sturgeon as I call her. And that program has been used a lot to soften their image, to make them look Prime Ministerial, to know they're not going to get any tough questions, and the fact that Reina chose to go on today. You know, it's like, the whole government, Howard, is literally collapsing. And she swans in without a care in the world. Oh yes, Dabba, he's looking bloody old, but you know, I of course don't want that job, Lorraine.

She knows what she's doing. She will be the next prime minister, because I've looked at these figures very, very closely. And remember, it's Labour members and it's unions who choose the next prime minister. It's not the wider population. And this idea that someone more moderate like Wes Streeting is going to win is for the birds. Labour has proven over the past 24 hours Howard that they will only go in one direction and the direction that they are heading is to the hard left. You're absolutely right. I mean one of the things is there's rumours flying around I've got on my whatsapp here that Wes Streeting has been offered the Chancellor position

and whether that's true is who knows what it is but rumours fly like that. Well that would be a poison and my WhatsApp here that Wes Streeting has been offered the Chancellor position. Whether that's true is who knows what it is. But that would be a poison chalice, wouldn't it? I mean, he'd actually be a fool to take that job. Absolutely. I mean, it's ridiculous what's happening. I mean, this whole thing and, you know, watching PMQs, the usual response, you know, he never answers a question, Stammer, comes back with you to 22 billion black hole, and yet they're sitting on about 80 billion black hole they've created.

And I see this time and time again. And looking at Angela Rayner today, she could have easily put her hand across to Rachel Theis and just say, hi, you're right, love, let's have a drink afterwards or something, you know. Just to... I think she went out left quite quickly, Rachel, with her sister, who's also just to, I think she went out, left quite quickly, Rachel,

with her sister, who's also an MP, and the things that, there's lots of rumours flying around, but I'm afraid she's in turmoil, declined our Chancellor at the moment, and they're all queuing up, and the streams, as I said earlier, are being controlled by Red Rainer. Just wanted to share a couple of other posts from people I respect on this. Katie Hopkins wrote, Rachel, you represent the office of the Chancellor of Great Britain. You were supposed to assert confidence in this country, not sit there like a widow who got tear gassed. Get a grip bird. FFS.

Rupert Lowe, the head of Restore Britain, wrote Reeves is dangerously out of her depth. She has to go. And then the most fascinating news, and we'll be keeping very much across this, Nick Robinson announcing that tonight Keir Starmer is going to give an in-depth interview with the BBC to mark one year in power. And goodness gracious me, what is he going to say about Rachel Reeves? So it's collapsing, folks.

It is absolutely collapsing. And at the end of the day, while I do have human sympathy for Rachel Reeves, who has clearly been pushed to the brink, what I have no sympathy for is the dire straits in which she has left our United Kingdom. A fascinating new row is breaking out on the right of British politics over Tommy Robinson's uniting the kingdom protest which is just getting bigger by the day. But the problem is that Reform UK's two most high profile contenders to be the next mayor of London or at least the party's mayoral candidate have now agreed confirmed speakers for the event on September 13th, which will rule them out according to the current rules Nigel Farage is sticking to and Zia Youssef

is insisting the party sticks to. It will rule them out having any formal role in Reform UK ever again. So we're going to hear from Howard Cox in just one moment of this. He was of course the last London mayoral candidate for Reform UK who has since left the party and joined Ben Habib's advance UK as a result in part of his outspoken support of Tommy Robinson. So here's Tommy announcing the news. Confirmed British speakers for the September 13th free speech festival in London, Katie Hopkins, Ant Middleton, Sammy Woodhouse and Derek Chisora. You will not want to miss this lineup. More big names to follow Ant Middleton for London Mayor.

Ant waited on this too posting all I want to do is make Brits and tourists feel safe in London and make Great Britain British again starting from within our beloved capital city. Baffled at why everyone wouldn't be on board with this make Britain safe again. Now the United Kingdom movement on September 13th is really turning into a huge event, a mega event on the right of British politics because remember, alongside all of those British political stars, Jordan Peterson has also agreed to speak at the event. Watch Tommy announcing that. We have the biggest free speech festival planned for central London on the 13th of September. We're going to announce now Jordan Peterson, Tammy Peterson will be guest speakers at the

event. It's a festival of freedom. It's about the importance and the battle we have for free speech. We've got a long list of attendees and speakers coming from around the globe for this event. So make your plans. I'm very excited about it. Very excited. And what I'll do is we're gonna interview the people

who are gonna be speaking, and we'll drop them every couple of weeks. New guest speaker, new guest speaker, new guest speaker. These festivals, which is what the last three have been, music, party atmosphere, bring your flags, bring your children. It's going to be beautiful. Okay. It's going to be beautiful. Let London be the free speech battleground for Europe. It's the United Kingdom, MAGA and MEGA.

We have a lead politicians coming from four or five different political parties across Europe, populist parties. The fight back is on. The fight back is on indeed my superstar panel with me Curtis Hinton and Howard Cox. So Howard there's a lot of reading between the lines in this but it's hugely significant is it not that Ant Middleton and Derek Chisora have both agreed to speak at this event because you know, you know from tough personal experience as the former Reform UK mayoral candidate that even saying in public that you either agree with Tommy Robinson or that you support him or it any sort of positive comment about Tommy Robinson at all gets you viciously booted from the party. So is your understanding here that

this means that Middleton and Derek Chisora are now out of the running to run for London Mayor as a Reform UK candidate? Well, I hope Ant isn't because I think he would make a great Mayor of London. But as you know, Dan, last August I was on your show and I showed support for Tommy, didn't I? And to cut a long story short, I was sent a WhatsApp text by Richard Tice, if you continue to support Tommy Robinson, you'll be expelled.

So before they actually expelled me, I decided to leave. And that was after discussion with Rupert Low and certainly Ben Habib. You know, there's no point in being in a party that doesn't support free speech, which is the reason why I joined them. That's the only reason that that happened. They were very happy with what I did. Even though I didn't get any support as London Mayor, and the only person who supported me on the day of the election itself was Rupert

Lowe. Every one of the reform HQ people, the exec there, didn't even turn up to take a photograph and be putting my ex in the box. And I couldn't believe it, but Rupert was there, and that's why my loyalty is definitely with people like Rupert Lowe and certainly Ben Habib. And he was treated just as badly ever since Zia took over Reigns. And let's be frank, Zia is still controlling and running reform, even though he's not a general. ALICE Oh, totally! Without any doubt. Without any doubt. But I guess the question is, Curtis Hinton, when does the United in the Kingdom movement become too significant in both numbers and sort of star power from the right for Reform UK to continue this policy?

Because there's going to become a point, I mean, I mean, if you, if you think about Jerick Trezora, for example, I mean, he has been an absolute Farage favorite. Farage loves him, like they're constantly together, even very recently they've been together. But Nigel now, according to his own rules, will have to cast Derek Chisora out of the party. And this is insanity. The fact that you're losing people of the calibre of Howard Cox and Middleton and Derek Chisora is insanity. I think that's the perfect word, insanity. I mean, even to force someone like Howard from the party as well, who's got so many years within the political realm out. I think I'm often of the vision, I mean Howard aren't necessarily going to agree, maybe me and you Dan here aren't going to agree on this, but Nigel will

be the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and I think he is now positioning himself to become the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and for the likes of Tommy Robinson, now Tommy Robinson for whatever you think of him, he'd done a phenomenal thing, not only for the survivors, but for the rest of the country with the grooming gangs. Phenomenal and that should be acknowledged. He's done other phenomenal things as well. He has done other things which I'm sure he'll hold his hands up which were maybe wrong or too far, but showing support for someone on a specific topic should not cause you to be removed from a party or should not make you expelled. It shouldn't. By the way, I mean, I was probably the first commentator in the country to actually say I think Nigel Farage will be prime minister in 2029. And

I still think that is most likely but I don't agree with the direction that Reform UK has taken since Zia Youssef became chairman. I don't. And at the end of the day, this is going to have to, I think, force a change of policy at some point within Reform UK, because they're just going to lose too many good people. I don't know how or if they understand that the Overton window has just shifted so significantly on Tommy Robinson, especially since January, when, you know, the world's richest man, Elon Musk, not only started to speak up very publicly about him, but was funding his legal case. Absolutely right. And it's in Nigel's remit. It's in his hands to simply say, hands up, this man's done a cracking job. I don't like some of the things he stands for, etc. But just say, okay, I get it. I'll tell you what, the something like four to five million people that like Tommy would say, okay, and half of those people voted reform. And this is the sort of thing that I don't understand. I spoke at a, you know, I'm just like anything about him. And I said, what is this man about? And I spent two hours with him like you did.

And I he was inspirational. He's not everyone's cup of tea, nor am I. It doesn't matter. The simple fact is this guy exposed for me and all my family and all my friends what child rape gangs were happening across 50 towns across the country. And they're all and that's the only thing that he needed to talk about. That's that Nigel could say, yeah, good. Like Rupert did, Rupert said he should be given credit.

Ben Habeib said he should be given credit. And you, Dan, you've always used the phrase critical friend to Nigel and the party. And if there's an election tomorrow, I would vote reform. Yeah, because exactly, you have to vote for what you think at the time is going to be the best option for the country. But where I think all of this is pretty nuanced is that we're four years out from an election, we've got big movements that are coming, a huge amount can change in that time. And again, and some people think I'm grim for saying this, I'm really not, you know, I'm very, very fond of Nigel. We've always been friends and he was a close colleague of mine at GB News for a number of years.

But if Nigel Farage walked out, you know, of the pub tonight and was hit by a bus, a lot of people would all of a sudden be asking questions about whether Reform UK would be the next government. And in a Westminster system, it's not enough to just build like, yes, a great leader is very, very important, but it's not enough. One thing I did want to ask you about, though, is this approach that Nigel Farage is taking about sort of like, well, you better back me, establishment, or you're gonna end up with like a Tommy Robinson figure in Number 10 Downing Street. Now this was outlined in this Sunday Times interview, Howard, where the headline was, if I can't give young men a voice, wait till what comes after me. And he said, I'm not an Andrew Tate's camp, but I can see why he's doing well.

Clarifying he wants the support of young men, because if I don't, you wait till what comes after me. Those who try to demonize me could be in for a terrible shock once I'm gone. That's why we say we believe that we are the last chance to restore confidence in the democratic system to change things. And this is why a lot of people, I think, Howard, say, well, look, Nigel Farage is acting as a bit of a containment agent here. Do you agree? Yeah, I see where you're coming from on that. But he's full of contradictions.

That's the problem. I mean, I know Nigel, I've known him for 15 years. He's been a massive supporter of my campaign Fairfield UK the reason why they asked me to become London Mayor Simply because I've got 1.7 million supporters and I was fighting the ules expansion and they said yeah He'd be a great guy to do it But they didn't support me at all and when I was actually standing for London Mayor Nigel wasn't the leader Richard Tice was and and bad Ben Habib was deputy Those are the sorts of people that I was working with. And we were working quite well together, but there's not

much put behind me. I knew I wouldn't win. But the point is, if Nigel had really truly believed in something to do with London and helping a candidate coming on board, he could have stood earlier. But the only reason he stood was because Sunak ran to the hills to try and stop reform and get out there early to stop reform getting on board. It didn't work, did it? The thing is, from my point of view, Nigel needs to actually really wake up, I'm sorry, grow up, and you can quote me on this, grow up and start recognising that Tommy's a popular man, he's a good man, etc. Get behind him, get with him, and you'll get millions of people coming to reform and he'll be a shoeing to government in 2029.

Because remember Tommy Robinson did endorse Reform UK before the last election, as did Katie Hopkins. I mean Curtis, it is an interesting argument, isn't it? And the problem is, look, I do support a lot of what Reform do, but I hate this whole containment stuff. I hate this whole, oh, you know, we're not the real bad guys. Like the real bad guys are these extremists, these far right extremists over here. And it's like, hang on a moment. These people that you're talking about are patriots who are your supporters. Yeah, it's, I feel like the terms like far right and that sort of stuff have almost like maybe scared Nigel into taking that approach because like you say, I don't agree necessarily

he has to support Tommy. I just think you don't have to go against Tommy. I think there's a, there's a Yeah, and that's what Tommy is actually asking for actually, right? So, so all Tommy has ever asked for when it comes to reform UK, stop attacking me. Yeah. And yeah, it's a fair thing to ask as well. And the thing is people constantly like the press, the MSN, they, they like asking Nigel questions about Tommy because it almost drives that wedge between the right, because Nigel

will say something that we take in that context potentially, or it might say something that it just genuinely upsets the Tommy fans and that's it the MSN have achieved their goal they're splitting the right even more. Yeah but the problem is I guess Howard is that you can always say you can always say can you, that something's going to split the right. What those people are asking someone like you to do, Howard, is just leave the pitch. Do you know what I mean? Don't be political, because Reform UK don't want you, just leave the pitch. And I don't think that's something we should be saying to patriots, really. Well, if they'd handled me better, I probably would have done them because I can't focus mainly on Fairfield UK. But the thing that worries me about Nigel and the way they're operating is they've actually alienated so many people, you know, at

grassroot level, very grassroot. In my inbox since I left the party back in February, where are we three or four months later, I must have had 1500 emails and messages to say you're a principled man, we're leaving too because we can't stand the way people like Ben Habib, Paul Oatden, Gwaine Towler, I could go on forever. And of course, obviously, Rupert Lowe as well, using the police to actually do, no, one of their own MPs. It's a mess. This could have been avoided. It didn't need to happen. And you don't say, when someone asks a question,

I think it was Martin Dordney asked Nigel, would you have been to be back? And he said, no, I'd rather eat razor blades. You know, this is terrible stuff from a potential leader of our country. I rate him, he's a consummate professional, but he needs to listen to the grassroots and not alienate them. Nigel Farage has decided to weigh in not on the increasing war on the right, but rather the issue of whether trans flags should be flown outside council offices.

Now let me be very clear, right? I think Reform UK is totally right when it comes to this issue. Of course there shouldn't be trans progress flags and Ukrainian flags and god- what else flying outside council buildings. But, and I'm prepared to debate both issues, but what I would argue is that this is just teetering around the edges, right? Surely what we need from Reform UK right now is a serious discussion about mass deportations, about demographic change, about the fact that our government needs to be completely reinvented with a great repeal act. And I just don't know whether the issue of this week with everything else going on is this one. But here's what Nigel Farage had to say, and I want to be very clear, I do agree with him,

by the way, the chief executive officer of Warwickshire county council is refusing to take down the trans flag. This unelected bureaucrat thinks she knows better than the people, perhaps Monica Fogarty should look for a new job. And he made this video on the change. So who runs the country? Is it elected politicians or is it the bureaucrats and the civil servants? Well this is interesting. In Warwickshire we became the biggest party in the county elections. We're now leading a minority administration and in line with our promises we told the council not to fly the pride flag, not to fly the Ukraine flag, not to fly political symbols, just British flags or indeed Warwickshire's county flag. The chief executive who owns over 200 grand a year,

Ms Monica Fogarty, who previously worked in the race relations industry, no shock there, has said, I'm afraid I will not be taking the action that you are requesting. So we've won, we're in charge of the council, yet a highly paid CEO bureaucrat is telling us that she will decide what flags we fly, that she will disobey any orders that we give her. I'm guessing this is a test bed for what will happen when we win the next general election. Be in no doubt, we're going to fight back and fight hard. And as for Ms Fogarty I think it's time she

looked for a new job, don't you? Well yes I do, actually I totally do think so Nigel Farage, but the superstar panel with me now Curtis Hinton and Howard Cox. Look, in some ways Howard the message behind that is very like important. Of course you have to fight back against these bureaucrats, the deep state, the Westminster establishment, but it's a bit like, come on, aren't there much, much, much more important issues right now that we really need to be going for? Absolutely right. I agree with you. And there's two aspects to this. One is you're quite right. We need to hear about concrete policies from reform

so people can actually tie their masks to it. They're, you know, potentially, yeah, OK, I'll go with them. And I was very much involved in producing a contract with the people, the sort of manifesto during the election, especially on the transport side. And there was some good stuff there, but we didn't have teeth. And we need to have some teeth and this sort of thing. The other aspect, of of course is the local

blob. How a £200,000 a year, you know, chief executive, obviously unelected, can actually override elected councillors. I find extraordinary, irrespective of which politic, which colour they are, the simple thing of that. And I don't give a damn what flag's thrown, but if the councillors themselves are saying you're not doing this, you're doing that, they should adhere to it. So going back to what you're saying, Dan, with respect to actually policies, and that's the issue that people are coming to me and saying, and to be fair, that's what Ben Abib and Rupert are saying, one with the party, one with the movement, they, we need a concrete, something to get behind some concrete policies and ideals to follow that you can

believe that actually save this country. Yeah, because the fact is, Curtis Hinton, I totally agree those flags should come down, but I need Reform UK doing a hell of a lot more than that. So yeah, just get the flags down however you need to. But it's like, come on, this battle is actually for the heart and soul, the future of this country. And we've got to get serious about what that involves. It's much, much more. It's much, much bigger than some sort of little fight over a flag, which I do hate, by the way. Yeah, I agree. It's, without a doubt, those flags should not be up. There shouldn't be

someone in a £200,000 a year position who can make that. From my understanding, if it was a majority council, they would be able to do it, but because they're a minority, the executive can overrule. I might be wrong, but that's from my understanding. Probably right. minority, the executive can overrule. I might be wrong, but that's from my understanding. But this should not be a topic that comes out in the public. This should be something they deal with internally behind the scenes so then later on they can say, look, we promise we'll take the flags down, we've taken the flags down, but publicly we're now going to be talking about deportations. We're now going to be talking about how we're going to fix

the economy when we win this election in 2029 or 2028. It shouldn't be the main focus thing. But at the same time, I get why they're doing it, because they promised that this would all stop and alternative government, so the Labour Lib Dems, especially a Davy, the MSN, they will come out and lead with a narrative, which is gonna say they can't even get the flags down. And so Nigel wants to publicly come out on Reform UK, probably want to publicly come out and say that we are trying but we are being stopped by someone and it helps the narrative that they're on £200,000 of taxpayers money. I know, yeah, I totally get what you're saying. I do. I totally hear you. And I agree that these sort of sideshow issues at the moment are very helpful for Reform UK. And I'm not saying by the way, Howard

Cox, that there is nothing to be said and sometimes grabbing a cheap and an easy headline like yeah, Farage, we know he's always brilliant at that, right? So we've got the row with Eddie Rama and Albanian, we've now got this row over the trans flag. But I do feel that there is this growing sense of, no, we need meat on the bones. Because with Trump and the MAGA movement, right? The number one priority above anything else was to protect our damn borders, to stop the invasion.

Yet there is an invasion going on here. I mean, if we look at today's Daily Mail front page, you know, 20,000 so far this year. Well, I believe it's actually much, much closer to 40,000 or 50,000 or probably even more than that when you consider the huge numbers that are coming in illegally via lorries as well. And I feel like Reform UK don't want to have those really tricky conversations, Howard. And... Well, you're absolutely... Dan, you got it spot on, yes, again. The thing is, Nigel hasn't come out for mass deportation. You know, he supports the one-in-one-out scenario. Rupert's saying,

get rid of the lot. So has Ben. We need to do that. We're overpopulated. We've been ripped off, and we're funding these people's lifestylesles struggling to do this. And our pensions are being threatened, our retirement ages have been extended, all these sorts of things when it needn't be that way. You're dead right. Nigel needs to come out with three, four key policies headed by... And it can't just be like, this is a goal or this is an ambition or this is an aspirational policy. It's like, look at Donald Trump's big, beautiful bill in America, which Elon Musk has all of

the issues about. But that bill is all about strengthening ICE so that they are able to do mass deportations. And I think what's so interesting about these two movements, and I do want to talk to you about Advanced UK in just one moment, Howard. But first, if we kick off with Restore Britain, which is the big Rupert Lowe movement. How brilliant is this? Yesterday on the show, we revealed that they'd signed up the brilliant Susan Hall, the senior London conservative, now David Starkey, a member of the Restore Britain Advisory Board. I mean, I can't think of a better person. And Charlie Downs, who is a really good guy who has

appeared a lot here on Outspoken, is also very, very intrinsically involved in this Restore Britain movement. He's done a brilliant episode with our friends at the Lotus Eaters. And I just wanted to play you a bit of it because I think it's important for people to know and by the way Charlie's had a lot of criticism and this is so crazy like Lois Perry and people like that Farage allies saying you're a traitor You're a traitor for joining Restore Britain, but he's saying no no no this is why it's important This is why reform UK aren't doing the right thing at the moment watch This is why it's important. This is why Reform UK aren't doing the right thing at the moment. Watch. Britain is in decline, and the right-wing political landscape is in chaos.

The Conservative Party is in a tailspin, and Reform UK is stumbling from one era to the next. The British people are crying out for leadership, and there's a yawning gap in the market for a serious, authentic vehicle around which the country's conservative minded majority can rally, organise and exert influence. Many have tried to fill this gap, but many have failed because of a variety of reasons, including, you know, mediocre ideas, mediocre personnel. But now I am pleased to announce that alongside Rupert Lowe, I'm working with others on Restore Britain, which is the answer to this problem. It is our vehicle, it is our centre of gravity for all of the sound people and all the people

worth listening to on the British political landscape and every person who is concerned about the future of this country and its present trajectory in terms of politics, economics, culture and society in general. We are not a party. We are a movement. We're some combination of a pressure group, a think tank, and a mass movement. And we don't endorse any parties. We don't endorse any personalities.

We exist purely to act as a mouthpiece for ordinary British people who are concerned about the way this country has been governed for the better part of 30 years. So our objectives are as follows. The first and foremost is, as I've said, to act as a political centre of gravity for authentic, conservative-minded people in Britain, and we want to build and mobilise a substantial membership. And we launched yesterday at 12 o'clock, and our ex-account almost has 100,000 followers, and we have thousands and thousands

of paying members already. So we are, we are, you know, there's a momentum there already that I don't think has been seen in any other organization in recent history except for possibly reform. Well, I'm one of them. I saw this tweet pop up.

And I don't, yeah. And I think a lot of people have got really excited about this movement, Howard Cox. What do you make of the fact that actually it seems to be causing some, shall we say, nervousness at Reform UK HQ, especially with Elon Musk backing it and backing Advance UK too. But first, let's discuss Restore Britain. Well, Rupert Lowe, in my opinion, should be leading reform. He's the guy that I think should be Prime Minister. He's got his finger on the pulse. He is popular beyond belief in terms of the realistic things. He's good with policies, he's good with actually motivating people and people who actually

follow him to the end. I'm telling you that now, he's a good, good man. The thing he's doing with the movement, he's worked very closely with Ben Habib and I know one's a party, one's a movement, but I think in the long term, strategically, these things will merge into one. And that's what happened a year to two years down the line. At the moment, it's easier to join a movement, that's why he's got six figures have joined it, a party's a bit different. Ben believes quite categorically that we should be having something actually we should vote on, electorally. That's why you can't vote on a movement. So those sorts of things. Both I've signed up to and I've been in discussions with both of them and I think, well, you can't put a fag paper between the two of them in terms of what they want for this country. ALICE Yeah, I guess it was just a bit of a shame they launched on the same day and that's caused

some confusion. Curtis, where do you stand on both of these movements, Advance UK and Restore Britain? CURTIS So Restore Britain as a movement is a great concept, I think. I don't think there's any... So Restore Britain as a movement is a great concept, I think. I don't think there's any... Reforms shouldn't be threatened by it because at this moment in time, they're not a party. They are just a movement who are trying to do what the values of Reform UK usually are or what they're perceived to be anyway. And a lot of the voters, supporters, members of Reform, if they're supporting Restore UK, it's kind of in their best interest maybe to try and work with them. With regards to Advance UK, my fear is that

we are going to get a party similar to Reform, maybe a bit more hard-lined in terms of what they are wanting to do at this moment in time. I don't necessarily think that Nigel has got the plan yet and he knows he's got time to get that plan together but he needs to act fast. We saw another ex-Tory MP come over to reform again who's going to be, I don't know the exact role she's taken up, but she again is going to be writing policy in a specific area. Advance UK, my fear is going to be splitting the right even more. We've got the old conservative voters who are always going to remain conservative voters

as to why reform aren't necessarily going to win such a huge majority. They're going to win a majority hopefully in the next election, but at this current time anyway. But then we're going to get the people who are going to be split between advance and reform now again if you don't mind Dan I'd throw a question to Howard in terms I know we're not going to advance yet but if advance and reform are going to split the vote which hands Labour yet again another victory what do you think Howard the best interest is going to be? Well, we don't want another Labour government, of course we don't. And I think that, and I fully, I had this when I was standing as London Mayor, you know, against Sadiq Khan. Am I splitting the vote by standing against Susan Hall, you know, for London Mayor?

for London Mayor. The point is it's simple we can do this. There's too many parties on the right hand side anyway. There's UKIP, there's the Heritage Party, we could go on forever. But the thing is, the most important thing is we need a party. Reform needs to democratise properly. It needs to be in a situation whereby people can believe in it. I willingly vote reform if I see some democracy and listening to the grassroots. All I know is that Ben and B is setting up something which is a democratic party that is actually going to be controlled by the members. There's going to be setting up a college of 100 people

who are holding the executive to account, and they can get rid of the executive. It's the only party that does this sort of thing. At the moment, we've still got Nigel and Zia running the show. And I'm sorry, that stinks for me. Yeah, it's really interesting too, because I also think we would be intellectually dishonest if we didn't talk about the Conservative Party and all of this. And that's not to say, by the way, that I will ever personally, and I'm sure many of you will never personally forgive the Conservative Party for what they've done over the past 14 years, but the current Conservative incarnation under

Kemmy Bader-Knoch is just not going to be around by the time of the next election. And a Conservative Party potentially led by Robert Jenner, which potentially almost allows some type of reverse takeover by Restore Britain, a bit like how the Tea Party and the MAGA movement took over the Republican Party. All I'm saying is, it's a long time before the next election. I think it's too early at this point to become completely obsessed with splitting the vote on the right. Because if we become obsessed with that, what we're saying is that there should be no Rupert Lowe in British politics, there should be no Howard Cox in British politics,

there should be no Ben Habeib in British politics. Basically if you're flung out by Reform UK that is the end of you and given the calibre of people who I see on a daily basis being flung out by Reform UK that's not where I stand. Now Sarah Pochon, the new Reform UK MP, might be an example of that famous phrase, F around and you'll find out. I'm trying to be a little bit polite here. That's because earlier this week I was highly critical of Sarah and I think she's doing some good work of the way that she attacked very personally and very arrogantly Ben Habib, the new leader of Advance UK during an appearance with Martin Dormney on GB News.

...Advance UK new kid on the block, what's your reaction to it? White noise. You know, I'm sorry, there is only one party now that is the real opposition, and that is Reform UK. Yeah, Ben can do this. Who's Ben Habib, for goodness sake? I've never even met the guy. The British public know that to be a force in politics now, which Reform are, you need to have

the courage of these convictions. You need to have a leader like Nigel Farageage and they know that we will form the next government. So yeah, this Ben guy, he can launch what he wants. Let him get on with it. It's white noise. Reform is the party that is going to lead this government. Now, I really like Sarah Poacham, but that was awful. That was absolutely awful, catastrophic communication strategy. And it was funny actually, one of my sources at my former employer said, Martin Daubley was firmly sitting on his reform UK dildo

during that appearance. But Julia Hartley Brewer, she's a different story because just 24 hours after what I would describe as a very overconfident appearance from Sarah Pochon she has been torn to pieces on talk TV in an on air fight that has gone viral for all the wrong reasons for Sarah Pochon and Reform UK. Watch. Julia, I could not agree with you more. You don't even understand the policy you support. No, our policy is about supporting hard-working people. How does paying more money to people who've got more than two children

who are on benefits help hard-working families? This policy, in my understanding of this policy, is that we are not... You don't understand it, Sarah. No, Julia, is that we will be paying this child benefit in the way that I was think of child benefit to people who are out at work- It's not child benefit. It's a cap on all the benefits you can have once you have got more than two children. It's not child benefit. I mean this very respectfully. If you're gonna be an elected MP and you're gonna have a chance to vote on these things, if you're part policy,

you and your civil mates and every... Oh ouch, to my superstar panel, Curtis Hinton, Howard Cox. Howard, uh, look, Sarah Poach and I think has done some good stuff, but that was almost a bit like, you're getting too cocky, Mrs. Your attack on Ben Habib, the former deputy leader of Reform UK, was utterly vile. And let's just calm down a little bit, right? Julia Hartley-Brewit, in my opinion, you may have a different one, Howard, but in my opinion, Julia Hartley-Brewit totally owned her in that fight. Howard McLeod Oh, well, Julia is a rotten whiler. I mean,

I've been at the end of some of her tongue with regards to various things, but we're quite close friends, etc. And I believe she even voted for me in the London election. But the thing is about what we saw there with the new MP is she was out of her depth and she has not been briefed properly. They know Julia is a consummate attacker. She will go for the jugular if you don't get your facts right. I've been there, so I know what it's like. And the simple thing is you've got to be honest. And whatever the policy is at the end of the day, that's stunk of not doing the research and not understanding what she was there for.

And the thing she did with Ben, with Martin Dorgney, and I'm still getting that image of a dildo up his back side. I'm sorry. Sorry. But look, the thing about Martin, great guy. Everyone can agree Martin Dorgney is a great guy, but he's not an independent journalist, right? He's clearly someone who wants to, at some point, become a Reform UK MP, become a Reform UK Cabinet Minister. I just wish people could be honest about that because I think it means that we get a very different type of coverage, you know? Well, Martin, he actually told me when I left Reform, you know, because I had a few beers in Westminster Arms across the way outside the GB London offices, the Westminster offices, we had a beer, so he said, you're mad, Howard, you're going to shoo in as an MP for reform. You've got no problem. You could have choice of anything you wanted. You've made a mad mistake. And I said, no, I'm on principle. I'm sorry. This is the old Tommy Robinson thing. And off air, Martin, you know, was actually very supportive of me. But he said you've made a major mistake here. And I said, okay, fine. Because he's buying his time to be, you know, sit on the green benches too.

ALICE Yes. Which a lot of people want to do, but I just wish that people understood that you're not going to get an honest appraisal necessarily from someone who does just want that as, you know, the end result. Curtis Hinton, who won that big old on-air battle between Julia Hartley-Brewer and Sarah Poachan? CURTIS HINTON We don't see Julia come off as a loser very often and again, she wasn't in that exchange. I always find it quite difficult when the MP or the interviewee is on a video link when it's not going in their favour because it just looks really awkward. And Julia, like you said, she goes for the jugular.

She was never going to back down. And she knew that Sarah wasn't prepped, like how I said, she knew she wasn't ready for that kind of conversation. And I think she had a bad couple of days. She shouldn't have said what she said about Ben Habeed. I think it's always best not to talk rather than look bitter because I think that's what it comes off as. I like

Sarah. I think she's a great MP and I think she's going to be good and quite pivotal to reform. But I think in the grand scheme of it, if she now goes on and says, well, look, those two were horrendous interviews. I now need to next time I'm out, I need an A-star performance. And then if we come to 2028, she's not had another howler like she did against Julia, then she can probably pat herself on the back a little bit. But yeah, Julia is there. She knows what she's doing. She's a true professional. Okay. I've got two brilliant

examples now of insane lefties losing it in the MSM. You're going to enjoy this. This is something that we can both enjoy. Howard, I think you'll particularly enjoy this first one because it's your leader, advanced UK leader, Ben Habib versus a furious Yasmin Alavaya Brown on the Labour broadcasting company, otherwise known as LBC. What? I think there's very little point in being in politics unless you can make an electoral impact and so I'm for a political party and right now it's not the Conservatives and it's certainly not for reform. Has Yasmin's membership card been sent yet? Yasmin would be most welcome to join. All that's

required to join is being a British citizen on the electoral role and not a member of another party. So you might have to resign from the Labour Party. Ben, I'm not in the Labour Party. I never have. Okay, I thought you said you're a lifelong Labour supporter. I voted for Labour, but I will not because of our policies in Gaza and what Labour has done to the most, the least able in our country. Okay. Labour has done to the most, the least able in our country. But, but over my dead body is my answer to... Oh Howard Cox, over my dead body. Wasn't she the woman, do you remember she was the woman who said

that if Boris Johnson was Prime Minister she'd leave the country? I'm not sure we can trust a word she says. And I would have opened the door for her to take her out. No, I can't believe it. I would like to hit, that's the first time I've seen that. And I'd love to see what, have a chat with Ben about how that went off air, because I bet you that would be a bit of fun. Sam Yeah, I would love to see what went down, Kurtis. It's interesting, isn't it? Just the fact that someone like Yasmin Alibiah Brown, who of course was not born in this country, has had the most incredible life here, huge life of privilege, which is, you know, is still so hateful of our country. You can hear it, because the first thing she says why she wouldn't vote Labour

was for the Gaza policies. Why she said she wouldn't vote, it's nothing to do with British people, it's nothing to do with what's happening in this country, it's for the Gaza policies that the Labour Party have. That's why she's, and did you see her correct herself as well, she said that's why I'd vote, sorry, voted for Labour, kind of emphasizing she's not planning to vote for them again. But it wasn't, and she did then go on to what I assume was regarding the welfare bill, but her first priority was Gaza. ALICE Yeah, it always is, isn't it? It always is, and that is the issue. Now, another one of our favourites, Narenda Kerr, who appeared on the Jeremy Fine

show alongside Mike Parry, and Charlie Mullins, who's actually mentioned in this clip, was very happy about it. He just said thanks Mike for putting this stupid woman in her place. Here's what went down. They're extremely wealthy, aren't being taxed enough and if they were it would bring the tax. They're being taxed very heavily. They're not. More heavily than anywhere else in the world. Not on their assets. We have no wealth tax. Take our old friend Charlie Mullins, for instance, right? He just up and left. He said, I've worked all my life for my money,

I've got a fortune, I'm not giving it to a government, then waste it on people who don't want to gather a bed in the morning. And he's got a point. He has got a point. But therefore, he's not creating equality in society. Oh, come off it. He's paid 100 million pounds in tax

during the time he's run his business. 100 million, because he's a wealth creator. And how much has he earned? OK, loads because he's given people ten thousand jobs, Narinda. He gives people jobs. Oh, goodness me, Curtis Hinton, who won that one? Oh, it definitely wasn't Narinda. She just doesn't ever consider the actual bigger picture

It's all nicety stuff in terms of she thinks that everyone should be eating from the same plate It does what countries don't work like that and I don't get how they think it would I mean look at what we've seen Labor do since they've come in and the country is completely clapped They said in October that they'd reset the country that now anything anything that happens fiscally was Labour's fault and they're still here eight months, nine months on, blaming the Conservative party for this 22 billion black coal which they tax the country 40 billion for. She's an imbecile. She says stuff and she does stuff, in my opinion, to get onto TV and channels like Jeremy Vine and shows like Jeremy Vine and GB and that, they're going to want her on because she is controversial because the right don't like her and she plays a blinder

with it. Yeah of course Howard Cox who won that battle? Well you know I know Mike Parry quite well and you know he did a good job on that sort of representing I mean on a serious note all these people you know who are actually wealth creators and job creators leaving the country, it's a serious issue. And I remember the brain drain. I'm 70 years of age. So I remember the days of the 60s, 70s and 80s when tax was at 90, 95%. You know, those are the sorts of things that that's why they left. And when we brought tax down, certainly under Thatcher, because I am a Thatcherite through

and through, when you see that sort of thing, they brought the tax down, certainly under Thatcher, because I am a Thatcherite through and through, when you see that sort of thing, they brought the tax down, they came back again. But what we're doing now is Stalmer is actually, you know, executing a brain drain again. And she, that woman there, I mean, she's a classic left-wing political commentator who doesn't get her facts right.

Yeah, and none of them do, as we've proven. Just to say that, I think that this is one of the reasons why Brexit isn't as working as well as we thought. Now, we know that Dil Boris Scott wasn't exactly what was promised by Nigel and the team lead, but sending all these millionaires out was never part of that plan. We need them for the future of this country.

Thankfully, people like Charlie Miners are still operating in this country, but personally, he's tax liability. I imagine it's dropped quite a bit, but it's just by letting all these millionaires go, it just makes the effects of Brexit even worse because it's just not what the plan was. What a brilliant superstar panel today. Curtis Hinton making his outspoken debut. Thank you so much. And our very good friend, Howard Cox, the head of Fairfuel UK. My God,, lots of feedback coming in from you today, especially of course, in regards to Rachel from accounts. Avatar, thank you so much for your super chat. He wrote, I have no sympathy for those lying clowns.

They are as supportive of the UK as a straw beam, her crying, forget the River Thames, more like the river Thames more like the river thieves next election though is our chance to take out the trash and thank you too by the way to maribeth paul mave warmsley and k bars who have all joined outspoken plus during the course of the show today other comments from you i'm just going to say says care will never give up his authority willingly he loves mixing with the big-timers on the world stage and his ego wouldn't let him. Alan Abroad says I'd love to see UK with the leaders the best qualified people

not MPs who clearly haven't got a clue. Timmo UK said Farage will throw Ant Middleton under the bus the first chance he gets anyway. Farage is a better fit in advance, UK. Veronica Seddon said if Reeves can't cope with only stripping the vulnerable, she needs to hand in her resignation. The crying and despair just mirrors what she has done

to our most vulnerable in society. No sympathy. Alan said Prime Minister's salary of April 2024 is officially 172,153 pounds so how does that woman earn 200,000 pounds leading a council? That's in regard to the Pride Flag movement. And Deborah Hobbin said I used to love Nigel, now I hate him. He has stopped a real opposition forming in the UK because he is just a fraud and people cannot see it. A really fascinating debate going on in the comments section today which I always love. Thank you so much for all of them. But now it's time to reveal today's

greatest Britain and union jackass are a reminder of your nominees. Monica Fogarty nominated by by Mick Cass for refusing to take down the Moronic progressive flag at Reform's request. John Sopel nominated by Karen Hankey for his U-turn on Labour,

who he promised was going to be brilliant in government. And Carol Vorderman nominated by Matt Cass 04807. And he says it's because she thinks Labour are a 3 out of 10, but doing a better job than those useless Tories. And the results are in. In third place with 14% of the vote John Sopel, the runner-up with 19% of the vote Monica Fogarty, but she's won in a landslide. Today's Union Jackass, the always horrendous Carol Vorderman. And today's Greatest Briton nominated by New Fife Right 14 is Kelly J. Keene.

And that is for her Free Your Faces campaign. We went to speakers' cor corner yesterday and faced Asian and black men shouting at us for trying to represent women oppressed by face coverings. Great stuff, she's a wonderful woman and a very worthy choice of Greatest Britain today. Now coming up in the uncancelled after show on Substack Catherine, the Princess of Wales makes her first public appearance since Fears for Her Health after her last- decision to pull out of Royal Ascot as Meghan Markle's crass wine launch on Princess Diana's birthday is branded a disaster. I'm so

excited because we have the YouTube Sensations, the Sydney Twins joining us today. It's their birthday, can you believe? So we're going to have a bit of fun with this one. So at this stage we move off YouTube and rumble. We continue the conversation in the uncancelled after show. You can subscribe to watch right now by heading to www.outspoken.live. Now we are back live tomorrow, 5 p.m. UK time, midday Eastern, nine AM Pacific. Hit subscribe if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble.

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