Dan Wootton Outspoken - RACHEL REEVES TO GO TO JAIL AFTER BUDGET FRAUD EXPOSED AS STARMER ON BRINK OF COLLAPSE

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

BREAKING TODAY: Growing calls for Rachel Thieves to face a criminal investigation for her fraud against the British public, with even Labour supporting columnist Dan Hodges now admitting the corrupted... Chancellor will be lucky to avoid jail for her despicable Budget deceit. Dan is very clear on this: LOCK HER UP! If this were a conservative she would already be out of a job and awaiting trial. Slippery Starmer and the entire Labour government are on the brink over their egregious lies with Cabinet Ministers now in an extraordinary open revolt and briefing to the newspapers. This is not sustainable for the Disunited Kingdom. Meanwhile, the divide in the country has got deeper over the weekend, with Tommy Robinson launching a blistering attack on Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan after the Daily Mail turned on Holly Vallance for her friendship with the activist. Dan exposes why this government is bringing shame on Britain and Reeves should be in prison instead of Tommy in the Digest. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Bernie Spofforth - host of the brilliant YouTube channel If This Is True - and Andrew Eborn - host of Octopus TV, which is also on YouTube. PLUS: Talk TV censors Mark Dolan live on air as he dares speak publicly about Mike Graham as the channel’s axed star launches independently today. AND: Good Morning Britain diva Susanna Reid explodes at Ed Balls in an extraordinary backstage bust up at Woke ITV. We’ll reveal all the details. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince William and King Charles are locked in a shock royal Christmas war. We’ll reveal what the royal rota refuse to report when we team up with the Royal News Network. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:21 Growing calls for Rachel thieves to face a criminal investigation for her fraud, against the British public, with even Labour-supporting columnist Dan Hodges now admitting the corrupted Chancellor will be lucky to avoid jail for her despicable budget defeat. And I am very clear on this. Lock her up. If this were a conservative, she would already be out of a job and awaiting trial. Let's stick with whether or not everyone watching can trust you. Do you deny you created the perception before the election that you wouldn't put people
Starting point is 00:01:58 taxes up. Well, before the election, we did set out a number of tax increases. We said we would get rid of the non-don tax status, which we have. Do you deny that you led people to believe you wouldn't put their taxes up? Just ring in to report a crime, please. Yes. By telling me briefly what's happened? I've been lied too many times in order to hand over more money. For the BBC's political editor to come out and say that the BBC was misled, that is a very big moment. And she's doing it on the backs of a lot of people out there who are working very hard and getting poorer. And because of that, I believe she should resign.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Rachel Reeves has lied again, and this lie could be the one that finally finishes her. Slippery Stummer and the entire Labour government now on the brink. Over there, egregious lies with cabinet ministers now in an extraordinary open revolt and briefing to the newspapers. So this is not sustainable for the disunited kingdom. Meanwhile, the divide in the country just got deeper over the weekend with Tommy Robinson launching a blistering attack on Tucker Carlson and Pierce Morgan after the Daily Mail turned on Holly Valance
Starting point is 00:03:03 for her friendship with the activist. Tucker Colson. I've got Tucker Colson on the video yesterday talking about he has more in common with his Pakistani taxi driver than he does some white middle class American. Yeah, what do you know? What does Tucker Colson know about living in a Pakistani town? 50% of my town is Pakistani.
Starting point is 00:03:22 You don't know nothing about Pakistani taxi drivers. We do. government is bringing shame on Britain and Reeves must be in prison instead of Tommy in my digest next. Then my superstar panel way and Bernie Spofforth, host of the brilliant YouTube channel if this is true. And Andrew Ebourne, host of Octopus TV, also brilliant, also on YouTube. And also coming up on the show today, talk TV. Sensor Mark Dolan live on air as he speaks publicly for the first time about Mike Graham as the channel's Axe Star launches independently today. And Good Morning Britain Diva, Susanna Reid, explodes at Ed Balls and an extraordinary
Starting point is 00:04:07 backstage bust-up at Wokey TV. We will reveal all of those details. Then in the uncanceled after show over on Substack Prince William and King Charles locked in a shock Royal Christmas War. We'll reveal what the Royal Rota refused to report when we team up with the Royal News Network. You can sign up, by the way, we've got a massive Black Friday sale going on www. www.dan outspoken.com slash sale, our biggest ever discount, 35% of today for Black Friday. We'll also reveal a brand new, Greatest Britain and Union Jackass, before the end of the show, your nominees today. Ian Lee, nominated by Matt Cass 48, for telling us how nice he is and how racist and thick
Starting point is 00:04:49 everyone else's. There is normally a reason as to why you're having to scream to anyone that might listen about your nicest, trust me, I work with the bloke. He's anything but nice. Piers Morgan, nominated by the Gryft Report, who says Piggy Pearz loves a curry more than his own people, and Zara Soltana nominated by Stone Shine 44 for boycotting her own party. It's over before it's even begun. So get voting in the YouTube live chat. Let me know your comments throughout the show. I will read out the best before we go today. Let's go. Lock her up.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Lock her up. Seriously, lock her up. This is no longer hyperbole. The fraud that Rachel Thieves and Slippery Stama have committed on the British people is so egregious and sickening that the corrupted chancellor should soon be sobbing behind bars. Because trust me, if this were a small C conservative, their career would already be over. And the police would already have come knocking. But even the regime media is starting.
Starting point is 00:05:53 starting to realize Reeves should be going to jail and that this corrupted anti-British government will fall. Indeed, the cabinet ministers who serve at the pleasure of Starma and work alongside Reeves are starting to realize that she should be going to jail too. And this corrupted anti-British government will fall. So what exactly did this liar and cheat of a chancellor do? Well, here's the simple explanation from Reform UK Zee Yusuf. I lied again, and this lie could be the one that finally finishes her. We already know Rachel Reeves lied on her CV. She claimed to have been an economist at H-Boss when she actually worked in the complaints
Starting point is 00:06:35 department at Halifax. She lied about not raising your taxes and then battered you over the head with record-breaking tax rises last year. Now she's lied about a fiscal black hole to smuggle in huge tax rises again this year. In fact, Reeves has raised taxes more than any other chancellor in history, bar one, and she's only in her second year. And now we have hard proof that she lied about this fiscal black hole. The head of the OBR's publicly stated that on the 31st of October,
Starting point is 00:07:05 the OBR told Rachel Reeves she faced no deficit at all. In fact, they told her that she had a surplus of £4.2 billion. Yet four days later, Reeves gave the speech in which she closed. claimed, quote, productivity performance is weaker than previously thought. But it is already clear that the productivity performance that we inherited from the last government is weaker than previously thought. And quote, this has consequences for the public finances too in lower tax receipts. And it has consequences for the public finances too, in lower tax receipts.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Lower tax receipts, despite being told the opposite by the OBR a mere four days early. That is cold, hard proof that she lied. And the consequences of that are horrendous, especially given Stama signed off on the black hole lies that now see her facing an ethics inquiry. Indeed, that is because Farage has written to Stamers' Independent Ethics Advisor demanding he investigates over claims she misled the public.
Starting point is 00:08:12 And in the past hour, Richard Hughes, the head of the OBR, has resigned for his budget leave. That's taking responsibility. Reeves must do the same. But this is so much more than just a resignation matter. This is a jailing matter. The males. Labour columnist Dan Hodges, who is all over the story, is going one step further here. He believes Reeves needs to be locked up. First, he made the point that Reeves is benefiting from people focusing on the wrong aspect of the OBR story. Yes, she lied to the country in her speech of the Fourth of November. but the major issue is the briefings that were delivered on the 14th of November to manipulate the markets. That's where she's in serious trouble. In an extraordinary and unprecedented development, this Labour man is now suggesting publicly in the MSM that Reeves will end up in prison for her deceit despite her limp-rested fight back over the weekend. Watch.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Let's stick with whether or not everyone watching can trust you. Do you deny you create a the perception before the election that you wouldn't put people's taxes up? Well, before the election, we did set out a number of tax increases. We said we would get rid of the non-don tax status, which we have. Do you deny that you led people to believe you wouldn't put their taxes up, ordinary people's taxes? Well, we had a manifesto commitment not to increase the rates of income tax, national insurance, or VAT, and also that we would keep corporation tax at its current levels. In the budget last year and the budget this year, I have stuck to those.
Starting point is 00:09:46 But I was really clear on that speech that you referenced. on the 6th of November, but I would be asking everyone to make a contribution to be able to protect funding for public services. And that is why I made the decision to freeze the tax threshold for a further three years. The Conservatives froze that for seven years. We have extended it from 2028 by an additional three years,
Starting point is 00:10:08 but we haven't changed the rates of income tax, national insurance, VAT, or indeed, we haven't changed a corporation tax rate. But as a result of your decisions this week, a million more people, more than a million people, will start paying income tax or pay higher rates in the years to come. We're raising an extra £8 billion out of income tax. So whether it was the spirit or the letter of your election promise
Starting point is 00:10:32 that you wouldn't put taxes up on working people, you have broken that promise, have you not? Well, I was really upfront in my speech both in the budget this week and also on the 6th of November. So let's be up front now. You've broken that promise, haven't you? Well, I've asked people to make a contribution. We didn't break the manifesto.
Starting point is 00:10:50 We haven't broken the manifesto because that's explicitly said about the rates. But are you asking? Am I asking working people to pay a bit more? Yes, I am asking working people to pay a bit more. I have been clear and honest about that. Lock her up. Reeves was then faced with the indignity of being forced to watch her previous lies played to her by Trevor Phillips over at Slime.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Where we left off last year. Let's remind ourselves of what you said to me 12 months ago. We've now wiped the slate clean under the mismanagement and the chaos of the previous government. It's now on us. We've put everything out into the open. We set the spending envelope for the course of this Parliament. We don't need to come back for more.
Starting point is 00:11:33 We've done that now. We've wiped the slate clean. I'm not going to be able to write five years worth of budgets on this show today. No, I'm just saying, will there be more tax riders? You're right, Trevor. there is no need to come back with another budget like this. We'll never need to do that again.
Starting point is 00:11:47 We've now, Trevor, set the spending envelope for the remainder of this Parliament. We don't need to increase taxes further. We need to do two things now. We need to reform our public services to make sure they work better, and we need to grow our economy. That wasn't true, was it?
Starting point is 00:12:06 Well, the budget this year was not on the scale of the one last year, but as I set out in my speech, beginning of November, the context for this budget did change. And I did have to ask people to contribute more. Lock her up. Reeves has today been reported to the police by Richard Donaldson of the Great British Strike. What's happened? I've been lied to many times in order to hand over more money. Well, what's happened is, obviously, you've got Rachel Reeves and Kea Starmer who have stood publicly and stated time and time again
Starting point is 00:12:45 that there's a black hole, a financial black hole that we need to pay into. As a result, they've raised taxes and levies, et cetera, which I believe is fraud because they've lied. And like I say, due to reports that the OBR have released, also evidence within the media and things that I've seen personally. So you're the suspects, sorry. Who is the suspect? Are you saying...
Starting point is 00:13:06 The suspects are Prime Minister, Keir Stormer, and Rachel Reeves. Right, okay. Just there with you one second, I'm just going to put you on hold. Okay, thank you. Hello. Hi, thank you for holding. I just wanted to get some advice from my supervisor. Yeah, regardless of I won't be taking this report from you. What I would recommend meant for you to do is there's an issue in regards so that you need to go on to the House
Starting point is 00:13:46 Appellate website and take a complaint through that. So the police might be trying to dismiss this for now, but it's really worth me showing you this Dan Hodges column, which has shaken the Westminster elite and Stama's cabinet to its core. Remember, Hodges is a Labour man. He wrote, this morning there's a debate raging about whether Rachel Reeves can survive the revelation that she deliberately lied to the voters, the markets, and Parliament over her 26 billion-pound budget hammer blow to the working people of Britain. But that's the wrong question. The real issue is whether the Chancellor will have to resign or if she's heading to jail. The facts are uncontested. On September 17,
Starting point is 00:14:31 Reeves was handed some good news. The OBR informed her the 20 billion pound budget black hole she believed she was facing had actually shrunk to 2.5 billion as a result of changes to real wages and inflation. Yet, for some inexplicable reason, she ignored the new positive forecast. On November 4th, she delivered a bizarre scene-setting speech in which she produced a chilling analysis of the nation's finances. Immediately afterwards, her aides explained this men income tax was going to have to rise. Then Reeves panicked. In the face of opposition from her own backbenchers and with Labor's focus group showing a potentially extensional backlash against a manifesto breach, it was hurriedly announced the basic rates of tax would not be raised
Starting point is 00:15:09 after all. The decision to drop the hike in tax rates was an economic, not political decision they insisted. So Reeves lied and then lied and then lied and then lied again. She deliberately distorted the fiscal picture to justify her tax rate. Contrary to her claim, she was consistently commenting and speculating first to manage political expectations, then to try to stabilize the markets when that management went to ride with potentially dire consequences. Yesterday, Shadow Chancellor Mal Stride wrote to Nicalerati, head of the Financial Conduct Authority, demanding an investigation into an apparently clear attempt to manipulate the markets through selective and unauthorized briefing of highly sensitive data, a prima facie breach of regulatory law. The FCA's rules are clear. Criminal
Starting point is 00:15:57 sanctions for insider dealing and market manipulation can incur custodial sentences of up to 10 years and unlimited fines. Reeves knows this only too well. Lock her up. Dan Hodges went on. This weekend, Labour MPs are alarmed and perplexed at how their Chancellor has precipitated yet another government crisis. Why did she do it? One exclaimed, how did she think this was going to come out? The answer is Reeves is increasingly selfish fight for political survival. Reeves was always going to face a reckoning, over her deceit. As things stand, she will be fortunate if that involves only the loss of her job and not her liberty.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Now, even though the regime media is treating this story in a completely different manner than if this were a right-wing government, the penny is starting to drop even at the British Passion Corporation. Watch. Rachel Reeves, this has just flashed up.
Starting point is 00:16:57 The BBC's now having a go. Rachel Reid misled the BBC and the run-up to the budget. The corporation's political led to Chris Mason has just said, he concluded that Miss Reeves withheld vital information from voters when she laid the ground for tax rises.
Starting point is 00:17:13 Nigel Farage, when the BBC come for you, you're not doing great, are you? No, you're not, and the BBC should know about misleading. They've been doing it for decades. So if they've called it out, I tell you what, for Chris Mason to say that, that is a big pitch. For the BBC's political editor
Starting point is 00:17:30 to come out and say that the BBC was misled, that is a very big moment. But what's most shocking about all of this, all of this fraud, all of this deceit, is that slippery stammer is completely in on it. His future, as the worst prime minister ever, is now tied to the alleged criminal acts of his chancellor. Much, Beth Rigby, Sky News, Prime Minister. We found out from the Office of Budget Responsibility that the Chancellor with your back in misled the public. on November 4th, when she warned about a black hole in the public finances, without telling us the second bit that higher than expected tax receipts meant the economy was in a much
Starting point is 00:18:16 healthier position than the Chancellor publicly suggested to all of us and to the country. A cabinet minister has told me this morning they do feel misled. How do you respond to that as Prime Minister? And can you really commit to driving through welfare cuts, given that some of the government, some at your top table don't have confidence in you. Thank you. Well, thank you very much, Beth. Look, there was no misleading, and I simply don't accept, and I was receiving the numbers, that being told that the OPR Productivity Review means you've got £16 billion less than you would otherwise have had, shows that you've got an easy starting
Starting point is 00:18:57 point. Yes, of course all the other figures have to be taken into account, but we started the process with significantly less than we would otherwise have had. had. That productivity review or review like that hasn't been done, I think, for 15 years. This is not an annual exercise. It's an exercise that was done this year. I'm not sure why it wasn't done at the end of the last government, if I'm honest about it, because that would have seemed to me a sensible time to have done it. But it was done. The net result was £16 billion less than you would otherwise have got. Do you know what? Lock him up too. Because even though there's no desire to drive Stama out like there was with Liz Trost by the regime media, his own
Starting point is 00:19:37 cabinet is starting to turn. This folks is unprecedented. It is extraordinary with the Times reporting today that Stammer and Reeves have been accused of misleading the cabinet by using claims that there was a black hole in the public finances to justify tax rises during the run-up to the budget. And this is coming from cabinet ministers directly. One told the Times. Why did Kerr and Rachel allow the country to believe for so long that we would break our manifesto by putting up income tax by 2P when they would have known that wasn't true? At no point with the Cabinet told about the reality of the OBR forecast, had we been told, we might have been in a position to advise against setting hairs running on income tax
Starting point is 00:20:20 and giving the public the impression we are casual about our manifesto commitments. The handling of this budget has been a disaster from start to finish. Another senior minister said the Treasury's operation is not. not exactly cutting edge. The argument about living in uncertain times and needing more headroom makes sense, but the way she presented it by saying there's a big hole we need to fill is frustrating. We had this hokey-cokey about income taxes going up and they're not going up. Another minister said Stama and Reeves look weak and incompetent in the wake of the budget, but described it as par for the course. So that is three ministers now on the record.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Kemi Badenock is right that Reeves simply must go. appears to have given wrong or false information deliberately to try and get her budget-based soft landing. We are at the Institute for Accounting. You all know that if a CEO had done this before their annual meeting, they would be sacked. What we see is issues around financial poverty and market abuse. And I do believe that she should resign because of that, because she has given false information, broken promise after promise, given people false hope and false reasons to vote Labor, not been able to stick to them.
Starting point is 00:21:34 What she's shown is that she cannot manage the economy. Pretty Patel agreed. Writing lies and damn labour lies by corrupt Labor government, Starmor and Reeves lied to the British people and put their selfish political survival above the needs of our country. They are not capable of serving our country and should be sacked. Zia Yusuf deliberately disseminated. false information to financial markets is market abuse under the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Reeves has obviously done, so the evidence is in the public domain. She must go. But can I just ask for one second, where are all of those moralists on the left? Those moralists on the left who campaigned day after day for Boris Johnson to go, do you remember that over a piece of cake? Where are they? Chris Rose, during Cakegate, Carol Waterman was furious and close to tears. Now that Reeves has lied and potentially manipulated the financial market, not a peep from her. Where are her tears for the working families worse off?
Starting point is 00:22:32 The long threads explaining Rachel's deception. Can you believe this? Narenda Corr is actually even arguing that Reeves is being bullied, writing, I understand that we need to know if Rachel Reeves lied, but the manner in which Trevor Phillips and now Laura Coonsberg are talking to Reeves is shocking, like she's a naughty school kid demeaning.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Kemi Baderok seems to have started this last week. Rachel Reeves has been bullied as we speak, horribly bullied. Jeremy Clarkson's one word reply was damning. Diddoms. But this all adds to the culture of chaos and anti-British sentiment around this government. A government, by the way, whose Deputy Prime Minister, Calamity Lammy, removed a portrait of the late Queen Elizabeth II in favour of pan-African flags. Yes, the late queen was removed from the foreign officer's Whitehall headquarters after
Starting point is 00:23:31 Mr Lamy entered government in a flurry of redecoration after Labor's win. No wonder their tectonic plates are shifting in British politics with a new find-out now poll, revealing that a party led by Rupert Lowe would receive 10% of the vote nationally. And that's before the Restore Britain leader has even launched a party. He responded to my revelation by teasing incredible. I want to thank everybody for their continued support. It honestly means a lot. I'll work with anyone to deliver for the British people. That is my only priority. Country before party every single time. 2029 is a long way off. Let's see what happens. And that is true, of course. But for the United Kingdom's economy and culture to survive this. Starmer and Reeves must not just go. Starmer and Reeves
Starting point is 00:24:29 must be tried in a court of law for their willful destruction of our country based on lies. Now, the superstar panel. Bernie Smallforth and Andrew Eborn with me now. Andrew Eborn, do you agree with Dan Hodges that Rachel Reeves not only has to go, but has to be facing jail for this? Oh, it's very simple, isn't it? It's a dirty dossier of deceit. Yes, it is. Lie upon lie upon lie.
Starting point is 00:25:06 And even seeing all the extraordinary interviews over the weekend when she wriggled with Laura Kunzberger on Sunday morning and with Trevor Phillips and so on and so forth. But there were a number of issues that they didn't pick up on, which were further lies. She said she was keeping to the manifesto about the rates. Well, that was another lie, because she did change the rates. You might recall that on dividends and interest,
Starting point is 00:25:27 they're charging an extra 2%, which Laura could have picked up on as well. So there were further lies there. We're always told about the ordinary working person. We're not going to increase tax on the ordinary working person, and that was always the intention. Well, that's a lie. Clearly, the ordinary working person is going to be paying more as a result of this budget. So all of that needs to be looked into.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Nobody is above the law. And you're quite right. If there are criminal market manipulation, it's very clear you can end up with up to 10 years in jail as a result of that. We need to look at it. I always say that sunlight is the best disinfectant. Nobody is above the law. And both she and indeed the prime minister should be looked into. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:26:08 I mean, Bernie Spoffworth, just look at the massive attack by the deep state on Liz Tross. right, for her budget. Yet Reeves is getting away at the moment with something criminal here. But she's lied since the beginning, and so Starma, don't you remember all the videos about not a penny more on council tax? I think they'd only been in two days, and we've got a raise on council tax. They started talking about this will be a government of integrity, but it hasn't been a government of integrity.
Starting point is 00:26:43 We've had free tickets to see things. They've got their clothes bought for them. And then we've got all these taxes by stealth. And they're crippling, absolutely crippling the private sector in order to maintain their voting base. That's the only reason they did this. And there are two reasons why Rachel Reeves came out with what she did. Either, A, she's too stupid to understand the numbers that the OBR gave her,
Starting point is 00:27:13 willing to believe. Or two, she lied. They are the only two reasons. And if she's too stupid, she should resign. And if she lied, she should be prosecuted. Because I thought that's what we did now. I thought that's what we did now. You give harmful disinformation and you can be arrested by the police. So if somebody can be arrested for shooting their gun on holiday in America, then I don't see why she can't be arrested for lying to an entire nation, hundreds of times. And costing us, costing us at a time when we cannot afford it to save her own political skin. And you're completely right, Bernie, to point out the way that the deep state want to jail everyone, right? They tried to lock Tommy Robinson up for not handing over his phone. They lock Lucy Connolly up for a post. Well, I'm sorry. I mean, I just repeat because I still don't understand Andrew Ebel and why the mainstream media are not quite getting this. I mean,
Starting point is 00:28:14 Credit to Dan Hodges, by the way, a Labor guy. He gets this. He understands Reeves needs to be locked up. But again, let me just repeat this from Zia Yusuf. Deliberately disseminating false information to financial markets is market abuse under the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 with an up to 10-year prison sentence. I mean, what is the mechanism here, Andrew? Because the police just ignored that caller that I showed in the digest. They shouldn't be ignoring it if there is evidence. No, you're absolutely right. It's a cascade of cons, isn't it? Which they need to look at. The mainstream media is not ignoring it.
Starting point is 00:28:53 I mean, as you heard, the BBC have come in there and talking about it. You've got various other people calling it out. So it's an extraordinary situation. The mechanism is exactly that. It's a criminal offence to manipulate the market. As I pointed out, you can have unlimited fines plus 10-year jail time. So we need to be looking at this. Nobody is above.
Starting point is 00:29:14 of the law. It was quite clear. She was talking about black holes more than Stephen Hawking did. And the reality is there was no black hole. She knew about it. And because she knew about it, she misled Parliament, she misled the public and she misled the market. It's very, very clear. It is very clear. It absolutely is. But, Bernie, so much of this is about political expediency, right? Because Slippery Stama knows that if Reeves goes, he goes. Yeah, absolutely. And also, you've got... labor in a terribly difficult situation at the moment because of how their numbers are in the polls. So all they can do is appeal to the 60% of the population he's paid for by them.
Starting point is 00:29:56 So if you look, over the last 18 months, we've had huge pay rises to the public sector at the expense of the private sector, huge increases to welfare at the expense of the private sector, in the hope that these people will vote for them, and their numbers will come up. And it's a complete disaster. Now, yes, it's true. If you're a CEO or you're a managing director and you lie to your board and you say, yes, we need inward investment because we have no cash, that is gross misconduct. You would be fired as soon as you were found out. But in this particular instance, Kia Stama is the one in charge. Does he really think, does anybody really think that she did this on her own?
Starting point is 00:30:48 I don't think so. She did work in a complaints department. This is not Brain Brock's of Britain, right? That's what I think. And she's completely incapable. I don't know why the OBR leaked that information, but I think it's quite interesting because the obvious person to take over from Rachel Reeves,
Starting point is 00:31:08 should she go, is, God forbid, Ed Miliband. Oh, don't. Don't. I know. Imagine that fruit loop freak in charge of our finances. But look, at some point, maybe something really bad has to happen. Really, really bad has to happen before we actually start the comeback. And this is the problem.
Starting point is 00:31:33 It is going to get worse with Labor before it gets better because there is going to be a push to the hard left. Now, when you look at the state of the disunited kingdom overall under Slippery Stama and Rachel Reeves, there is reason to weep. As Tommy Robinson posted Friday night
Starting point is 00:31:57 in modern London, as families went Christmas shopping, they were met by this watch. Why don't for Palestine Why are you shopping down for Palestine Telling children is a cry Why you're shopping for Palestine
Starting point is 00:32:18 Why you're shopping bombs are dropping Why are shopping bombs are dropping Why are shopping moms are dropping? And it has really divided the country over the have taken by Takaelson have tried to suggest that Islamist London is an improvement because of diversity. And that actually the real enemy to the United Kingdom is Tommy Robinson.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Watch. There's a very lovely, quaint notion being built up in the United States driven by people like Tommy Robinson here. Who's Tommy Robinson? You know Tommy Robinson. He seems like a fraud to me. Well, he's not even Tommy Robinson.
Starting point is 00:33:22 His name's named Stephen Yaxley. It's not even his real name. He's also convicted of multiple crimes, thuggery, fraud. I don't even know anything about him, but he doesn't seem like he's back into Britain. We would call him a little shit storer, right? However, he has...
Starting point is 00:33:36 But the real people here, the actual Britain is still here. This idea that he's driven, that we're on the verge of some sort of civil war here. Do you feel that when you walk around? Yes. Yes, 100% I do. And Piz, you don't walk around. You don't walk around. You're in your show for driven car.
Starting point is 00:33:53 You don't walk around. You haven't been mugged like I have. Yes, we do feel like we're on the verge of civil war as we walk through no-go zones in London where people are mugged every single. minute of the day. So yes, we do. And of course Tucker Carlson was being disingenuous there for years. He followed Tommy Robinson's story on his Fox News show. He interviewed him on his Fox News show. So Tommy is furious about this. I think understandably he's spoken out. Watch. Tucker Colson. I've got Tucker Colson on the video yesterday talking about he has more in common
Starting point is 00:34:29 with his Pakistani taxi driver than he does some white middle class American. Yeah, what do you know? What does Tucker Colson know about living in a Pakistani town? 50% of my town's Pakistani. You don't know nothing about Pakistani tax drivers. We do. We're beaten up by my whole growing up. Our daughters are abused by them. Our wives are harassed by them.
Starting point is 00:34:50 But yet you pretend you know something. What do you know in the United States of America about growing up around Islamic immigration? They're all talking about all the Muslims and the Christians are together. You come and say that in Europe. Come and experience that in Europe. We're not together. They're not with us, you clowns. But I listen to all these new right-wing commentators
Starting point is 00:35:07 talking just because they hate Jews or hate Israel saying we need to work together with the Muslims. Yeah? Come and speak to people who live with Islam. It's fucking, it's infuriating. I'm watching, like, even Tukkols, I'm thinking, what do you know about Pakistani tax drivers, mate? What do you know?
Starting point is 00:35:25 And I mean, it's true. Like, literally a whole load of Pakistani taxi drivers were behind many of the rape gangs. Like, that's an actual fact. So Tommy hadn't finished, watch. Do you know who's ferried all of our girls round in every town city? In Rotherham, Telford, Oldham, Rochstow,
Starting point is 00:35:48 Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, every city where our daughter's been raped. Who ferried them round? Pakistani taxi drivers, Tucker, your mates, who you'd rather hang around with. You know nothing about this subject. So don't try talking about it, just because guitar are in your back ass
Starting point is 00:36:05 because it's pretty infuriating and I see that so much coming out in the United States. I'm looking at it thinking you don't know what you're talking about. You have no idea what you're talking about. You live in America. You're not plagued by Islamic rape gangs. You're not surrounded in the town with 50% with 45 mosques.
Starting point is 00:36:21 You've got no idea what you're talking about. So don't just start talking about how we need to be all we're all friends and Muslims and Christians are together. You turn that to the Christians in Afghanistan. Tell it to Christians in Pakistan. The Christians in Iraq. speak to the Christians in the Middle East. Go speak to the Christian population, which has gone from what, 20% to 7% in the last 20 years. Why? So that was Tommy responding to Pierce, sorry, to Tucker
Starting point is 00:36:45 Carlson, but the brilliant Eva Vladenbrook has responded in the most sensational manner directly to Pierce Morgan. Now, this is interesting because Eva's the type of woman. She doesn't usually get personal. She usually talks about themes, but she was just, just so angry with Pearce. Watch her response. So I usually don't like to discuss or react to specific individuals, but I think today I'm going to make an exception because I just saw the discussion between Tucker Carlson and Pierce Morgan discussing the demographic change in the UK, where Tucker pointed out, rightfully so, that white people, Britons, are soon becoming a minority in their own country.
Starting point is 00:37:31 And Pierce Morgan reacted to that, saying, essentially, why would that be a problem? At least we've got good food now. So let me get that straight for you, Pierce Morgan. You are witnessing the rape, replacement, and murder of your own people. And your response to that is, well, at least we've got chicken curry now. Pierce Morgan embodies everything that is wrong with Britain and embodies everything that is wrong with this specific subgroup of like right-wingers that aren't truly right-wing. They fail to protect their heritage. They fail to protect their future. And they have zero true patriotism and zero true love for their own identity. But he just became anti-woke at a moment in which it already wasn't risky anymore, really, to become anti-woke.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Because, well, you know, other people paved the way for Pierce Morgan to become anti-woke. And in fact, the people who did that were the people that he used to attack and still attack. and still attacks, by the way. So once again, Pierce Morgan, as I said, I don't like to discuss individuals,
Starting point is 00:38:38 but Pierce Morgan embodies a bigger issue. And he's a despicable, weak man. And he tries to continuously get me on his show, by the way, which is hilarious,
Starting point is 00:38:46 because he blocked me on X when I called him a backtracker after he said that the facts changed regarding the vaccines, the COVID vaccines, because he wanted that to be mandatory, remember?
Starting point is 00:38:58 And he refuses to unblock me. not going on a show, you know, I'm not going to sit on his show under his rules when he refuses to debate me on the public, the public market square of ideas. So, yeah, that's Pierce Morgan for you. I didn't know that he could sink any lower, but here you go. And speaking of sinking any lower, I didn't know the Daily Mail could sink any lower, but they just did over the weekend. With a revolting attack on Holly Valance, a very good woman, I mean, you might know her as a former pop star. You might know her as a former neighbor's actress, but she's a great patriot and she loves the United Kingdom and she supports all the right causes. She was at the United
Starting point is 00:39:39 Kingdom Rally. She was at a Restore Britain event that I attended last week. And the Daily Mail in the midst of her divorce from the Reform UK treasurer, Nick Candy, is trying to bring her down because of her friendship with Tommy Robinson. I mean, look at that. Neighbors star, Holly, snap lounging on a steam train with hard right thug Tommy Robinson as friends of the pop star say she has gone down a rabbit hole what gone down a rabbit hole because she wants to save this country because she's honest about this country if you the Daily Mail you suck Holly did respond to this actually writing wow a briefed Sunday rag story about my mate and me during my divorce proceedings, what are the chances saying when's the next trip
Starting point is 00:40:31 copying in Lawrence Fox and Elizabeth Fox, who were both on that trip? But it does just show you, it does just show you the lengths that the corrupted mainstream media will go to to bring down anyone who is trying to patriotically fight for our country. To my superstar panel. Bernie Spofforth, I mean, it is fascinating, isn't it, to see the way that these attacks on Tommy Robinson are coming from all angles now. I actually just, I find this whole thing deeply, deeply depressing, because the attacks always come from those people who blame the other side for being divisive when all they need to really do is just listen. So a lot of the people commenting about Tommy Robinson haven't seen his movies, haven't really heard what he's saying, and perhaps don't live in the areas that are as affected as some of the areas that he writes about and talks about or the areas that people live in. You know, this weekend, there were huge reports about stabbings and altering him. I used to live in altering him. It was a really lovely area. But it now is. isn't and it isn't safe to live in. And if we don't hold these conversations and we don't
Starting point is 00:41:58 talk to each other and we don't talk about the truth, exactly as Eva says, we will lose all culture, all sense of who we are because we're not allowed to discuss it. Now, for me, I don't think it matters what Tommy Robinson or anybody like him says. I think what matters is that you just look around you. And if people like peers, in my opinion, and lots of other people who say very similar things, like Tucker Carlson, for example, I don't understand why he changed his perspective like that.
Starting point is 00:42:37 It makes no sense to me, except I know deeply that it's wrong. I know it's wrong because I can see around me what's happening. You have to be able to talk and shutting them down and calling them far right and extremist. Do you know, they're just words now? Everyone's done with it. Now, I know Holly, and I happen to like her very much.
Starting point is 00:43:00 And it's incredibly cruel of a mainstream newspaper to take a leaked piece of information and use it against a woman going through a divorce. And don't forget, in that piece they also said that Tommy Robinson wasn't a fit father to be around her children. How dare they? How dare they? That's the worst slander you can ever give to a man who has done everything he can to protect his own children. Yeah, exactly. I was going to say someone who is an amazing father, you know? And if you speak to even Tommy's ex-wife, as I have done, you know, she will absolutely say he has always been an incredible father.
Starting point is 00:43:47 I mean, Andrew Eiborne, that's all true. What do you make of the Tucker Carlson attack? Because, of course, he has done a 180. Yeah, it is extraordinary. And it's perhaps no coincidence in the last few hours. It's been announced that the word of the year, or other two words of the year, is rage, bait. And you have a look at that.
Starting point is 00:44:06 It was P.T. Barnum, who said, if you want to draw a crowd, start a fight. Well, that's what's happening. And so often with Tommy, as you know, I was one of the first, when he first came out, out of prison when he's looking like Tommy Robinson, Robinson Crusoe, rather, with his rather wonderful beard and so on and so forth. It was actually with his son. We did one of the most emotionally charged interviews he's ever done. He was very tearful. I've met his family. I've met
Starting point is 00:44:29 his children. He's a fantastic father. What's happening here, as we know, Dan, is that people are shooting the messenger. And as a result, the very important message is being lost. And as we're sort of rightly pointed out, we do need to discuss these things. proper in a proper way, sunlight is the best disinfectant. There are real issues, trying to pretend that there are not, is not going to help the discussion either way. And when these issues are raised, people are often dismissed, inevitably is far right or racist and so on and so forth. As you know, Errol Musk, Elon's father is on my show all the time. We were discussing this very recently about the statistics and he was sort of saying that if America, for example,
Starting point is 00:45:10 basically had more than 50% people who were not white, that the whole thing would be lost. And he was sort of raising that as an issue and citing problems in South Africa. It's probably his most controversial interview ever. But the point is this, is that we do need to discuss these things. We do need to look at the facts.
Starting point is 00:45:29 And as a result of that, have a sensible conversation without, as I say, all of this rage baiting just to keep the Oxford University press happy. So Mike Gray, The Axt Talk TV star launched his new independent media venture today. And anyone who has been following this story along over the past few weeks knows that I am absolutely delighted to welcome him into this space. Doesn't mean I agree with him on everything you
Starting point is 00:45:57 know that, but I think he's an important voice who is going to become louder outside of the mainstream media. But the way that Talk TV and News UK has reacted to this, in my view, is disgusting, completely disgusting. So first they launched a PR campaign and big marketing campaign. If you feel like the world's gone nuts, then, you know, you've just got to tune and to talk. Not really, though, because we know that you and are completely corrupt and captured and will cancel any contributor for any type of free speech that you don't agree with. But what hasn't been picked up until now is the extraordinary lens that the bosses at Talk TV have gone to to censor, not just the Talk TV viewers and listeners, but even its own presenters.
Starting point is 00:46:50 So a caller made a point live on air about Mike Graham. Now, I'm surprised this is the first time that this has happened. I think all Talk TV callers should be calling up and saying, where's Mike Graham? What you did to Mike Graham was terrible. But this is the first time. had happened. And Mark Dolan, who, let's be honest, is a slippery snake because he came in to take my job at G.B. News is he now coming to take Mike Graham's job at Talk TV? So he's a slippery snake and he knows that. So he had to comment and he had to try and make it look as if he was
Starting point is 00:47:22 actually on the side of Mike Graham. So he did. He started speaking about Mike Graham. And you're not going to believe what happened. Talk TV bosses, remember this is the home of free speech. they literally censored their own presenter they blurred him out so you couldn't see or hear him because he was speaking about Mike Graham I promise you I'm not making this up this happened and I have the proof watch
Starting point is 00:47:51 Tom is in Ryegate good morning Tom yes good morning Mark I'm very happy to talk to you but I do miss young Michael Graham Oh, well listen, I understand that. I do. Tom, listen, you're talking about a gentleman that's had a long history on this channel. He's a friend of mine, and I hear you. Listen, Tom, I'm so grateful for your call and I'm very grateful for your comments about Mike as well, because let me tell you, I've known him for many years, and I wish him every success. media folks, isn't it? It's always unpredictable. 9.57. It's been a joy. Did you see that?
Starting point is 00:48:41 They literally silenced their own presenter for talking about Mike Graham. This is the former home of free speech. To my superstar, Hanel, Bernie Spoff, and Andrew Eborn, Andrew, I mean, what an own goal, number one. I mean, totally idiotic. You know, you can't, pretend that Mike Graham doesn't exist. You know, he was the heart and soul of your station for years. But to censor your own presenter, I mean, this is lunacy. And clearly, I know how these things work. There was clearly a plan in place. If a presenter goes off script and starts talking about Mike Graham, maybe some, you know, they might have been worried that someone was going to quit live on air or something like that. We are going to blur them out and we're going
Starting point is 00:49:30 cut the microphone. It's extraordinary. It's Stalin-esque, actually. It's North Korean-level stuff. It is quite extraordinary. As you know, I've been on Talk since the very first year, and indeed, GB News since the very first year. I was a regular on Mike show. I've been on with Mark Dolan and all of the various others. It'd be interesting to hear what Talk TV has to say about it, because I've got a lot of respect for the management now. I know some really good people. Firstly, I'm surprised that the caller was put through, because the way these things normally work, as you know, Dan, as they ask them, what are they going to talk about? And then they work on that sort of base.
Starting point is 00:50:03 So they are ready to cut them off if they go off script. As you know, I helped cover with James Whale in his last few months, the brilliant broadcaster, and I used to co-host his show for the last sort of couple of hours when he did the first hour and so on and so forth. We'd have all sorts of callers would come in, would be dealt with appropriately. So I'll be interesting to see what Talk did. It's the first time I've seen that particular footage where it was blurred out. Have Talk themselves come back with an explanation?
Starting point is 00:50:29 what happened? Well, I've spoken to an insider at the station who provided me with that footage, but I'm going to come to something in just a moment which shows that talk are actually on a rampage at the moment against any contributor who goes maybe off piece, doesn't talk about what the mainstream are saying. So I think Bernie Swofforth, post Mike Graham, they have made a decision to try and pivot right back to the centre. And I mean, it's going to kill them off, in my view, Bernie. Right. I'm already in a bad mood because Rachel reads, right?
Starting point is 00:51:07 But if I had seen that video earlier, my post on X would have started, what the actual fuck, right? Because are you seriously taking your audience for fools? You can't go on about being the home of free speech. but only the speech we want you to talk about. It's pathetic. It's pathetic.
Starting point is 00:51:33 And what it's done for me is it now means I'm going to have to listen to Nick Ferrari in the morning or Mike Graham. Actually, yeah, I might do that because I now can't listen to that station because I know everything I hear is manipulated. And I don't want to listen to manipulated news. So if talk radio is now doing that, then I can't listen to them either, which is really sad because they have some great presenters. And now I know they can't say the things that they want to say. And that's completely wrong. Like I thought it was just GB News that had the big list and other stations that I had heard,
Starting point is 00:52:15 had a big list saying you couldn't call her Rachel from accounts. Yes. Oh, yeah, you can't. No nicknames or slippery stammer, which. which I used to say, or the British Bashing Corporation. Now, that's all banned. Exactly. But look, but look, I want to show you both just to show that this isn't going to be a one-off, right?
Starting point is 00:52:34 So Lucy White, a lot of people know about her. She gave her first interview, here on outspoken, on Friday, in regards to her comments relating to Nasra Ghani, the Conservative Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons, Pakistan, born. and Lucy has said that she doesn't think anyone who isn't born in the United Kingdom should be surfing in the British Parliament. And that has sparked huge outrage. She's been called racist. And of course, the Guardian got onto this. And they ran with this headline. G.B. News urged to cut ties with contributor accused of racism. And they say the right-wing
Starting point is 00:53:11 activist claimed common speaker Nasraq Ghani should be barred because she was born in Pakistan. Now, obviously this divided political opinion on the right. I mean, Ant Middleton, for example, over the weekend posted something I will change when I take office. 100%. He was backing Lucy. And Kay Burley, that leftist, mainstream media shill, hit back at him saying, hey, to break it to you, big boy. But even if you do become mayor of London,
Starting point is 00:53:35 you will have no authority over the mother of all parliaments. Bless your heart. Very patronising, isn't it? And I wonder how Kay Burley would feel if someone like Aunt Middleton made a sexualized comment to a female. You know, big boy, we know what you were saying, Kay. But anyway, that's by the bye. But what really shocked me is that in this Guardian article, both GB News and Talk TV decided to buy into their cancel culture.
Starting point is 00:54:00 I mean, what they should have said is piss off. We don't engage with The Guardian. You're just trying to bring us down. But they didn't do that. And Talk TV's comment in particular was just awful. Completely awful. So this is what they said. They described White as an occasional contributor, but then released a statement saying,
Starting point is 00:54:18 the views she expresses are her own and her recent social media post relating to Nasgani was reprehensible. We have no plans to invite Lucy White back on talk in the foreseeable future. So translation, we are canceling her. Gb News didn't quite go that far. Their spokesperson said comments expressed
Starting point is 00:54:43 on personal social media accounts by individuals who have appeared on our platforms do not reflect the views or values of the channel. So that's a little bit better. But Lucy White responded this way, writing neither the Guardian nor the Daily Mail approached me for comment before publishing tone-deaf hit jobs on me. The articles were totally biased, claiming that I had only received criticism when in reality I have received a huge amount of support.
Starting point is 00:55:10 The country is behind me. The article written by Ben Quinn claims that I am racist and accuses me of injecting far-right language into public debate. This demonstrates an awful understanding of the issues and does a disservice to the few readers that the Guardian still has. He wants me cancelled for merely expressing an opinion. It's not 2020 anymore, Ben. The bully-boy tactic of the left don't wash with the public anymore.
Starting point is 00:55:36 They can see them for what they are, a desperate attempt to shut down debate. It's embarrassing that a male journalist Matt Stridework is so ideologically captured. and intellectually lazy that he had no hesitation and simply copying and pasting the Guardian's hit job. I am glad to see that the male's own comment section has called him out.
Starting point is 00:55:57 So Bernie Spofforth, really interesting, but I think what I found most depressing and why it linked into what happened with Mike Graham is that Talk TV just immediately decided to say, she's reprehensible, reprehensible, and by the way, she's cancelled. She's not coming back. So they've given in to the mob in my view. Talk TV is now a woke station. I say this with no joy. By the way, I'm not so. I loved that station. It was part of me. I spent all of that horrible lockdown year in 2020 there as the drive time presenter I presented on the station for years before that. I still have friends there. But this is an awful path to go down, Bernie. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Awful. Awful. Because they might agree with 99% of what she says. But for that, one view she holds, she's completely cancelled and destroyed. And then the media do a complete hit job on her. It doesn't matter if they agree with everything else she says because she has said one thing they don't agree with that goes against the narrative. She's completely cancelled. And that whole narrative is about suppressing, suppressing the bubbling under the surface, right? Don't give any credence to it. Don't let those. views surface because the public are too stupid and they can't make decisions for themselves. So, oh, let's not tell the public these things just in case they all get above
Starting point is 00:57:26 themselves. And they've completely forgotten what democracy is. They've completely forgotten about arguing ideas. Now, I might not agree with her. I might think that, you know, I don't think it's right that you have dual citizenship and you stand for parliament. Lots of people agree with me. Other people might say you have to be born in the UK to stand for parliament. That's a view. Why aren't we allowed to discuss them? And why aren't we allowed to have that? Because by the way, to be US president, you have to be born in America. And no one is saying that these Americans are racist. And in Pakistan, you cannot have dual nationality. You must renounce every other nationality. It's constitutional in Pakistan. And it is in a lot of countries. And what's so
Starting point is 00:58:12 fascinating is that Ben Habib is really the only political leader who has spoken out on this. He's, of course, leader of Advance UK with Pakistani origin. And he posted saying, I have been following the unfolding of the pylon on Lucy White. She advocated that no one born in Pakistan should be an MP. It would be entirely reasonable for MPs to be required to be born in the UK. That would not be racist in any way whatsoever. only US citizens born in the US are allowed to be president. That is not racist. A similar restriction could entirely reasonably acquired for MPs. The UK has been subjected to mass
Starting point is 00:58:52 migration and a dramatic change in its demography in a very short time. Any sane-minded individual would be concerned by these dramatic changes and would wish to curtail them. Our leaders have not protected the UK's constitution and culture. They have promoted multiculturalism, coupled with mass migration. This has resulted in great damage to just about every aspect of life in Britain. The British people have been badly bruised by this negligence. They are pleading to be protected. Their pleadings are being ignored. Their bruises are getting ever more serious. Unless those that govern us respond to the reasonable demands of concerned British citizens, their demands will become ever more extreme. Like white, I want our constitution and culture restored. Her advocacy in favour of
Starting point is 00:59:31 MPs being born in Britain is yet another cry for protection. And I was born in Pakistan. Of course, there are bound to be people born abroad that love the UK, love its language, history and culture. I am one of them. They would be good guardians of the UK, but the difficulty now is in determining a mechanism to ensure anti-British sentiment does not continue to embed itself in our institutions and governing structures. Perhaps a blunt instrument, but the sentiment requiring MPs born in the UK is understandable. The UK is facing an existential threat. Lucy White's post is a response to that threat. Instead of denouncing her, it might be more helpful to try to understand her in the British people's deep, legitimate concerns. And Andrew Eibon, I know that you have Ben Habib on
Starting point is 01:00:17 the Andrew Eibon show recently. In fact, I was watching you and Ben Habib. And thank you very much for covering the situation about my booting out or issue with Joe Allen restaurant with Lucy Connolly and Allison. Pearson, you did great coverage of that. But how fascinating that here's Ben Habib, Pakistan-born, wants to be prime minister to the country, but says, look, actually, banning me because I wasn't born in the UK, that would not be racist. I found that such a brilliant response.
Starting point is 01:00:49 It is incredibly refreshing. And as you say, Ben is on my show, the Andrew Bourne show, regularly. Because he's banned, he told me, from G.B. News and Talk TV and virtually every other platform. And it is interesting because he's very open about this. going back to the point I was making beforehand is that there are real issues. And Ben talks about this existential threat,
Starting point is 01:01:09 just as you were introducing the story, I was pulling up that very same ex as it's now good, the post that he made because it's a valid point. And what he's saying is actually, it's a very valid point. If you go to America, that's what happens. You have to be born in the USA
Starting point is 01:01:23 with Bruce Springsteen singing out about you. But the reality is this. It is an issue. What he's suggesting, it should be jaw, jaw, not war, war. We need to discuss these things to talk about these legitimate concerns because if you shut people down, and this is what's happening. If you shut people down, you do not get to air these issues.
Starting point is 01:01:42 And it is so important. I always say that trust comes in on foot and leaves on horseback. And trust in the media, trust in politics, trust in all sorts of things, trust in the police is at an all-time load. The way that we do that, sunlight is the best disinfectant. We have to encourage people to talk. And by talking about these things, that's how you get a resour. Breaking right now, a massive backstage bust up as good morning Britain diva Susanna
Starting point is 01:02:15 Reid goes for Ed Balls at Woke ITV. And I mean, I think the whole thing is completely nuts anyway because there is no way that Ed Balls, the bloke apparently sleeping with our home secretary, Yvette Cooper, should be grilling her colleagues in the Labor government. It is a complete farcical situation anyway. But remember Susanna Reid is the lefty who wanted Ed Balls to be her presenter, and now all of a sudden she's going off at him. This detail revealed in The Sun under the headline, Read the Room. Good Morning Britain's off-camera tensions as Susanna Reid snaps at co-host and fiery debate not shown on TV. And Amanda Devlin, their assistant showbiz editor, a regular on talk, reported
Starting point is 01:03:03 tension erupted on the set of Good Morning Britain this week as host Susanna Reid delivered the breakfast show's budget coverage. The TV presenter's on-screen partner Ed Balls rubbed 54-year-old Susanna up the wrong way during an ad break. Onlookers claim Susanna snapped at Ed as they disagreed over his plan of action for the next segment. A source told the son they usually have a great relationship, but it's clear Susanna wears the trousers. She's an incredibly experienced and competent journalist and presenter who has been covering the budget for decades. Seen as Ed is a former Shadow Chancellor, Budget Week is like Christmas to him. He loves feeling like he's still at the heart of government and balancing the books, but forgot he's in Susanna's territory now, and she
Starting point is 01:03:45 rules the roost. Ed got carried away and was soon put in his place by Susanna, who helped keep them on track during a very busy news week. And the Sun goes on to talk about the fact that, of course, that he served Ed Balls as the shadow chancellor to Ed Miller band and lost his seat to Andrea Jenkins in the 2015 election before going on to compete on Strictly Come Dance scene. The Sun's source added it was a high, pressurized week on the show and Ed overstepping was bound to cause a bit of tension.
Starting point is 01:04:17 However, it didn't last long. Ed respects Susanna and fell in line straight away. They work really well together as a team. Well, I mean, Bernie Spoffel doesn't seem like much of a team, does it? You know, Susanna Reid thinks that she is the diva boss in charge of that show. She's a massive lefty as well. She wanted another lefty to present alongside. The whole thing I think has made Good Morning Britain now a joke of a show,
Starting point is 01:04:44 a show that is all about political activism and pushing this Labour government. I mean, Ed Balls has even been allowed to whisper, nothing's on screen with his wife. So the idea that these two are now falling out is totally ludicrous to me because their credibility is already smashed as a TV show. What did you think? I don't particularly think it's great
Starting point is 01:05:10 for MPs sleeping with a member of the cabinet because they're married to them should present TV shows anyway. Look, he has to make a living. really have a problem what i have a problem with is that he was bullied by that bird right sorry susan but he was chancellor he was shadow chancellor and it's really important he has some great inside kind of knowledge of how these things work and what's really interesting to ask seriously he should have done it because it would have been brilliant because he was interested and part of his
Starting point is 01:05:50 policies were to cut national insurance for small businesses, which would have stimulated growth, cut VAT. He had some quite good ideas for a lefty. And he would have made mincemeat of Rachel Reeves. He actually should have done that interview. And she had a tantrum because she felt belittled by it. Honestly, woman, pick yourself up. Don't be a dickhead. Let him do it. He knows what he's talking about and he should have done that interview. Ridiculous. Andrew Eiborne, what do you think of these 50 coughs metaphorically behind the scenes of Good Morning Britain? Well, it goes back to what I was saying beforehand with the word of the year, rage bait, that's what we all want. And it's actually compelling viewing. It makes even more exciting than the on-screen official stuff
Starting point is 01:06:44 is what goes on behind the scenes. You might remember the brilliant Apple series with Jennifer Aniston called The Morning Show. This is reality. You and I, Dan, have been in terrible, terrible situations in all sorts of TV studios. We know what goes on behind the scenes, and those are the tales to be told. So it's not a surprise.
Starting point is 01:07:02 Is it going to be compulsive viewing? Absolutely, it's better when the hosts don't get on well, where they don't have that sort of wonderful chemistry, where it's all lovy-dovey, and there is a bit of conflict. Because people like that. They like a bit of conflict between the presenters, because it makes it a bit edgier. But you're right.
Starting point is 01:07:19 to talk about experience, and where people do have experience, then they should bring that experience to the fall when they're doing those various interviews. But as I said beforehand, P.T. Barnum, if you want to draw a crowd, start that fight. And that's what's going to happen as a result of it. Oh, and by the way, the mainstream media has decided over the weekend that we've all got to feel terribly sorry for George Aberoni.
Starting point is 01:07:43 So first they were saying we've got to feel so sorry for Bob Villain. Do you remember Bob Villain who said the terrible? terrible things about the IDF. We've got to feel terribly sorry for him. Now we have to feel even more sorry for George Aberroni, the president of the Oxford Union, who celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. Do you remember that? Let's go. All of that awful stuff because Charlie Kirk had owned him in a debate at the Oxford Union. Nick Dixon posted on this, the guy who laughed at murder is now imploring us to show more empathy while inevitably blaming racist. racism. LBC can seriously fuck off with their rehabilitation attempt. This scumbag
Starting point is 01:08:24 clearly has a lot of repenting to do. And just before I get to that interview, just a reminder of what happened at the Oxford Union, first Charlie Kirk owned him, then this dude suggested potential violence. Watch. Why is it that men in countries that barely have toilets and do not have two pounds to rub together, but they do have kids and they do have a wife are much happier than someone with a big flat in downtown London. Something to think about. I mean, I think happiness is a difficult idea to conflate in that sense. I mean, there are other duties.
Starting point is 01:08:58 They're less likely to kill themselves. Forget all these happiness indexes. If you kill yourself, you're not happy, right? So these poor countries do not have male suicide problems. Why? I do not, though. Think about it. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 01:09:18 to effectively create change in the world we desire. And side prop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required other than violent retaliation. And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with. The view that some institutions are too broken, too aggressive, too oppressive to be reformed, like cancers of our society, they must and they should be taken down by any means necessary.
Starting point is 01:09:43 So we're meant to feel sorry for this guy who clearly, in my view, was advocate. there for political violence. When Charlie Kirk was taken out in the most horrific act of political violence in a generation, he celebrated. He joked about it. He laughed about it. He wrote shame on the Oxford Union. But of course, LBC and that awful little lefty twit, Lewis Goodall, of the fake news agents, is now trying to advocate for this man and we're meant to feel sorry for him. And we're also meant to take a lecture from him. We are meant to take a lecture from George Aberoni, the bloke who celebrated the death of Charlie Kurt. God help us watch. We can be like very specific and very
Starting point is 01:10:32 deliberate in making distinctions to the fact that, you know, there is that fair criticism of me and there should be a space to have that fair criticism of me and, you know, be responsible in how we go about that in, in consideration of the fact that, you know, I am so student. But then I think we can also be fair in calling out what has also been a lot of kind of just racist and classes vitriol based on the fact that I'm a black person, the fact that, you know, I'm a student at Oxford. And I think, you know, we can be deliberate in splitting a part of the two things. Did you receive threats of violence against you? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:03 Yeah, I received threats of violence. You know, my family did. My friends did. And, you know, it was a very difficult time, I think, not just for me, you know, but also realizing that, you know, my mistake has not only impacted my life, but could impact other people's lives and impact even just broader communities around me. And I was kind of a scary, scary time, not just for me, but also in understanding, I guess, the responsibility that I bore as kind of a student leader in some capacity.
Starting point is 01:11:29 I would hope that all of us are kind of able to take away from this a lesson, perhaps, in how we talk about politics online, and that, you know, perhaps we should move away from this kind of incitement of reaction and this kind of inflammatory nature of political discourse and perhaps look towards kind of more empathy within our politics, perhaps look towards more kind of collaborative discourse when we talk about politics. Oh, collaborative discourse. Andrew Ebourne liked celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
Starting point is 01:12:00 It's absolutely disgusting. And there's a history with the Oxford Union. I was invited by Errol Musk to be his special guest when he was invited to debate what was really a race-baiting topic about throwing out, evicting the victim, white colonial masters from South Africa. It was a baying mob, and actually Errol was scared for his life.
Starting point is 01:12:23 So when we're talking about not having this inflammatory language, the Oxford Union, I would urge to look at their own to make sure that happens. But what George said was absolutely disgusting, but it also is wrong for him to fear for his life with the threats that happened. And I think we should learn the lessons there. We need to turn down the rhetoric on that sort of basis and have a sensible discussion. But as I say, the Oxford Union themselves need to look at themselves
Starting point is 01:12:47 to turn down that rhetoric and not go for the clickbait headlines. Bernie, I mean, it's quite inevitable, isn't it, that it's been LBC trying to lead the rehabilitation of Bob Villain and now George Aberoni. Well, you might, everyone might be quite surprised about my feelings on this because as a mother of two great big boys, George is, he's a very young man. And he's a product of Britain's liberal education system.
Starting point is 01:13:21 It's a massive problem, Michael's Wright. And he believed he was on the side of right because no one ever discusses anything anymore. And he's had to learn a very hard lesson at a very young age. But what I want to say about LBC is that I had death threats too. And I didn't say what George said. Lucy had death threats and she didn't say what George said
Starting point is 01:13:48 and so we're perpetrating this only one side deserved sympathy or empathy or understanding and I want to say as somebody who would be considered right of centre I haven't had people call me far right
Starting point is 01:14:05 I know that people might say I was right of centre what I want to say about George is now it's time and he will grow up because we taught him this and that's the biggest shame of it all. That's the biggest shame of it all. We taught him this. Very well put. Very well put. Bernie Spotforth, who's fascinating insights you can find on her brilliant YouTube channel if this is true. and Andrew Eborn
Starting point is 01:14:37 host of the brilliant Andrew Ebourne show on YouTube part of Octopus TV always love having you on Outspoken thank you both so much and we're going to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass and just one moment first to your comments
Starting point is 01:14:52 thank you for your super chats by the way Nina Vanana writes lock her up this is on Rachel Reeves together with Stama the lying traitors and Chavka 2 UK on Mike Graham says we have a new channel
Starting point is 01:15:04 don't talk TV Chris Germann says if more and more people reported this to the police this is again in regards to Rachel Reeves the trend would go Operation Raise the Justice and on what we were just discussing
Starting point is 01:15:20 in terms of Oxford and LBC Mobob writes victimhood is boring being black has nothing to do with this celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder is appalling where's the empathy there and William Westwood wrote Charlie Kirk made him look like an idiot
Starting point is 01:15:34 that's probably why he's saying those disgusting things about this brilliant man, and I think you are totally right on that. Okay, a reminder of your nominees for the worst person in the world today. Ian Lee, nominated by Matt Cass 48 for telling us how nice he is and how racist and thick everyone else is. There's normally a reason as to why you're having to scream to anyone that you might listen about your niceness. Yeah, you're not nice, and he ain't nice.
Starting point is 01:15:59 Pierce Morgan, nominated by the Gryft Report, who says Piggy Pear's loves a curry more than his own people, And Zara Sultana, nominated by StoneShine 44, boycotting her own party. It's over before it's even begun. And my God, that was a shit show at the weekend, wasn't it, with your party? Total shit show. Okay, the results are in. With 5% of the vote, Ian Lee, the runner-up with 32% of the vote, Zara Sultanah.
Starting point is 01:16:21 But overwhelmingly, today's Union Jack has the worst Britain in the world today with 64% of your vote. Here's Morgan. And today's greatest Britain winner. And my God, posthumously, there could not. not be a bit of bloke to take this gong peter whittle my friend nominated by scotfly 23 who said just read douglas murray's tribute to peter in the daily telegraph and i think he deserves another day as our gb god bless e w and of course if you do want to learn much more about peter william peter whittle the head of the new culture forum you can of course watch our special video with
Starting point is 01:17:04 Connor Tomlinson paying tribute to him on our YouTube feed, and we will continue to pay tribute to Peter Whittle in the days, weeks and months ahead, because his work will never be forgotten. In fact, we've got to fight even harder. Okay, we're moving over to Substack now for the Uncanceled After Show, where Prince William and King Charles, a locked in a shock royal Christmas war. We'll reveal what the Royal Rota refuses to report when we team up with the Royal News Network. So at this stage, we come off YouTube and head on. over to Substack. We have a massive sale going at the moment for Black Friday. In fact, it's our
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