Dan Wootton Outspoken - REFORM RELEASES RUPERT LOWE KC REPORT AFTER CHAOS AT RALLY AS NIGEL FARAGE DEALS TO INVADERS

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra 4 months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price! Reform UK rally chaos in Doncaster as Nigel Farage deals to NINE invaders during an intense showdown, but there is fury that one activist was denied entry for wearing a Free Tommy Robinson t-shirt. Dan brings you all the dramatic details in his Digest, amid a worrying FIVE POINT poll slump following Rupert Lowe being reported to the police. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: YouTube sensation June Slater and social commentator Leilani Dowding return. PLUS: Douglas Murray issues a warning to Britain as a school cancels Easter. AND: Lord Sugar backs an emotional Katie Hopkins on the British Bashing Corporation. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle promises “girl talk” as she releases a dire new trailer for her rip off podcast Confessions of a Female Founder. And the fake Duchess is slammed for selling her wardrobe for profit in her lowest bid for money yet. Royal Mastermind Angela Levin reveals all. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wharton. This is Outspoken Live episode number 190. And breaking right now, Reform UK releases the Casey Report into Rupert Lowe, which I have read this afternoon in full and believe is the conclusion of a sophisticated witch hunt against the star MP using lawfare and the weaponisation of woke HR practices. Meanwhile, reform rally chaos in Doncaster as Nigel Farage deals to nine, yes, nine invaders during an intense showdown. Go home.

Haven't you got a job to go to? That's all right. That is going to happen. So. I was going to say, I was going to say, haven't you got a job to go to? But it looks pretty unlikely, doesn't it?

But there is fury that one activist was denied entry for wearing a free Tommy Robinson T-shirt. I'm here at the Reform UK meeting at the racecourse in Doncaster. I've been refused entry, refused entry because of my T-shirt. It says free Tommy Robinson. All the dramatic details in my digest next to it a worrying five-point pole slump following Lowe being reported to the police. Then my superstar panel weigh-in, YouTube sensation June Slater

and social commentator Lalani Daldeen return. Also coming up on a very big show today, Charlie Mullins and Julia Hartley-Brewer clash during a shock confrontation in the Talk TV studios. I'll show you what happened. Douglas Murray issues a warning to Britain as a school cancels Easter, and Lord Sugar backs an emotional Katie Hopkins on the British Machine Corporation. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Meghan Markle promises girl talk as she releases a dire new trailer for her riff-off podcast, Confessions of a Female Founder, and the fake Duchess is slammed for selling her wardrobe for profit in her lowest bid for money yet. Our Royal Mastermind, Angela Devon, joins me for all of that. You can sign up www.outspoken.live.

Of course, we also have our Greatest Britain and Union Jackass running too. Greatest Britain will be revealed at the end of the show, but the Union Jackass nominees are here now. You can vote in our live chat right now. Let me know your reasoning and everything. I'll read out the best comments at the end of the show. But here are today's nominees. Ed Davey, nominated by Real McCass of the Dan Wooten Outspoken Club for constantly moaning and being critical of others when he did nothing to help the sub post office staff, didn't resign when he should have done and should have had his knighthood revoked. Narendra Kerr, nominated by Miss UN Missan, and that is for

calling Rupert Lowe a Nazi in a quoted tweet. And Ed Miliband, nominated by Atmalwella3, the energy minister for the giant F-up over the closure of our major airport. A secondary power source should back up instantly. So what happened? I hear a biomass boiler couldn't work because no power. And look, we just despise Ed Miliband for what he's doing with not zero and to the country. So I'm told, well, actually I looked myself. I'm not told. I looked myself before the show and it was very tight. So lots of reason to get voting. But now, let's go. Another day of intense drama for Reform UK as the self-inflicted civil war causes so much unnecessary damage to the party, and I would go as far to say, dividing the British right.

Now, I'm sorry, this isn't down to Indian bots or Russian interference. Please, reform management, understand, there is genuine disgust that Rupert Lowe, the country's top performing MP who donates his entire salary each month to charity and a man who Elon Musk believes should be prime minister, has been subjected to the sort of lawfare and weaponisation of woke HR policies that would make the hard left Democrats in the US proud. So here's where we're at. The Casey's report has been released this afternoon. I have read all 13 pages. And let me tell you that the idea that what it contains should have permanently destroyed the career of the great Yarmouth MP is an absolute joke. It's all the usual stuff,

toxic workplace, office bullying, the type of thing that can and often is levelled against any high-performing businessman. And often, often is when they want to cancel someone. Believe me, I know all about this. I will bring you Rupert's response shortly. It's dramatic. But first to Doncaster, where earlier this afternoon, the party's announcement of its candidate for mayor was overshadowed by left-wing chaos.

But the day started with a disappointment for me. This man being excluded from the Doncaster event because of a T-shirt he was wearing, that red free Tommy Robinson. I'm here at the Reform UK meeting at the racecourse in Doncaster. I've been refused entry. Refused entry because of my T-shirt that says Free Tommy Robinson. This is the so-called patriotic alternative party, party for the people. Well, I've been refused entry for supporting a patriot who's in solitary confinement. Absolute madness.

Now, it's insane to me that wanting to free a political prisoner from solitary confinement for a controversial piece of journalism, it's insane to me that that should see anyone excluded from any UK political party event. But there was a gathering storm in Doncaster from the usual suspect lefty losers. Oh yes, oh yes, right from Central Carlstein. And I would actually argue their invasion of Nigel Farage's announcement gave the reform UK leader his best moment in weeks. A reminder of his plucky campaigning ability. It really is worth watching,

giving no other UK politician would be able to deal with this. Previous generations gave so much for, including that 105-year-old who died last week. The very last. Oh, go home go home

haven't you got a job to go to that's alright that is going to happen so I was going to say I was going to say, I was going to say, haven't you got a job to go to? But it looks pretty unlikely, doesn't it? And it's all good. Except from another angle, she's she's yelling about how terrible white people are. white british men are the biggest proportion oh sorry white british men white british men

that's who she hates. Of course I should have known. There was more. So we know, we know that these hard left organisations are going to do everything. Go back to school, please. We know what's going to happen. Boring, boring, boring.

They will do everything. They will do everything. Nigel! Nigel! Nigel! So they still love him in Doncaster. And Nigel used the interruptions from the nine lefty invaders to make a point about our hard left education institutes. Election. Have a look at that. Have a look at that. The anger. The anger. You must be at university. You must be at uni. Yes, and that's what you get, folks. That's what you get when the National Education Union are going to propose at their conference next month that

they tell young people like you, like you, loser, they're going to tell young people like you, like you, loser. They're going to tell young people like you. You see? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That is what you get. That is what you get, folks, when teaching unions in this country are poisoning the minds of young people, not just against reform, but against everything this country has ever stood for. And I could see, I mean, I know Nigel very well, I could see to begin with, he was furious that somehow all of these lefties

had been allowed to invade the conference, but he soon started to relish the free publicity. What we know is that the hard left, the hard left, here we are, free Palestine, there we are. There we are. There we are. There we are. So what we know is that Antifa, which is a hard-left organisation,

which in America resorts to violence... Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Yeah, we know. We know. We know. We know. Oh, and by the way, before you go, thank you for the free publicity. Thank you very much. He used the last interruption to issue a broadside against the Labor government. The political opportunity has never been bigger.

We have a conservative party that frankly doesn't know what it stands for, doesn't know what it stands for. That's all right. Just get rid of him. Saddo. I don't know about free Palestine. I don't know about free Palestine. What about free speech in our country? Genuine free speech in our country. Yeah. Yeah. And I say that two- justice, two tier policing, two tier care. The Labour government are off to the worst start I've ever seen in my lifetime.

And yes, I agree with that, Nigel. But what about the free speech of Rupert Lowe, who surely should be able to have a bit of a row, a bit of an argument with your party chairman, Zia Youssef, without the cops being called. And there are two things I want to point out, and they're both important. Now, Reform will be regretting, I think, the fact that they are so public now with their membership ticker, and you could see it on screen there. And really, it hasn't gone up at all since this row. I'm told by party insiders that anywhere from 5,000 to 12,000 members are attempting to cancel but have been unable to do so. There is also evidence that Witch Hunt against Rupert has now hit reform in the polls. This hadn't happened so far, but according to YouGov, their support has slumped by five points. And here's the key thing. While Reform believes the release of this Casey report today provides enough ammunition against Rupert Lowe to damn him to political oblivion,

just like many of the other threats Nigel Farage has picked off in the past, I think this time it's different. Rupert is on the right side of history when it comes to the issue of mass deportation. He was the political figure so many of us had been waiting for for so long. And because he's in Parliament Parliament with one of the most influential accounts on X in all of the UK, thanks to his support from Elon Musk, he is not going anywhere. Indeed, his response to the Casey report today has been ferocious. And this isn't me pointing this out. It's very obvious. It amounts to a declaration of war against Nigel Farage. In the past hour, he has responded to him directly on it saying, you're a disgrace for publicly naming and endangering my staff, Farage. And he added,

reform has deployed woke lawfare to smear not only my name, but the guts of the report itself, Rupert wrote, and it is worth going through this response in full, there was no bullying. There never has been any bullying. Using such claims to damage me through my staff is shameful. To say that I have threatened legal action against these women is an outright lie. Both of these complainants admitted to serious offences and both only raised any issues once the disciplinary process had started. Both then went on to admit other serious offences. There is no evidence of any bullying because there was none. No bullying, no aggressive behavior, no violent threats. There are outlight lies, unsurprisingly. One of the primary complaints, to give you an

idea of the veracity of the allegations, following a conversation about a standard constituent issue, an email with contact details one of the complainants was expecting was forwarded to her from a colleague with no subject line or context. She felt this was an incident of rudeness and undermining. Apparently, the unspoken subtext of the blank email was, look, what have you done? The other complainant talks of micromanaging from a colleague who raised legitimate issues about her work maybe two or three times in six months, not even working from the same geographical location. Both complainants only raised these allegations once the disciplinary process had started against them for multiple serious offences. Reform has put my team through hell in an attempt to smear my reputation.

This is not how politics should operate. It is dark, dirty, and simply not the British way of doing things. Anyone involved in reform should be aware that when it becomes politically convenient for them to do so, they will use any means to get you, including innocent staff. My team has been more effective than anyone in Westminster at uncovering waste, revealing important data, and supporting my work. I am incredibly proud of what they have achieved. This is all a malicious attempt to smear my name because I dared to question Farage. Now, whether you are team Farage or whether you are team Lowe, what I put to you is undeniable today is that this civil war has seriously damaged the fight back of the UK right. Now let me bring in my superstar panel.

Delighted to be joined today by the YouTube and Facebook sensation June Slater and the social commentator Lelani Dowding. So Lelani, what do you make of this report? Is there anything in it that you think damns Rupert Lowe to political oblivion? I definitely don't think it damns him to political oblivion. I'm just really sad to see what's happened. It's really demoralising, actually, to see it, because as you said, it really splits up the right. I thought reform was going with momentum.

I really, really like Rupert Lowe. He's a straight shooter. He says what he wants. He says what he means to do. And I feel like over the past few months, I've kept on making excuses for some of the things that Nigel said, some of the things that Richard Titor says, because I really, really wanted reform to do well.

But when this happened, I mean, I just can't stand by them anymore. And I will say, I don't like what happened with the, you know, the video you showed with all the lefties coming in and disrupting everything. I don't want to see that happen. That's completely wrong. But at the same time, I just, you know, then you see that whole thing with a Tommy Robinson t-shirt. Now, I went to a meeting in Burton for reform, just for a local level, just to try and get an understanding about politics. Because as you know, I, you know, I've always commented on the social side of things. I don't know, you know, that much about

Nigel's history. I've never really followed politicians. I don't like politicians particularly. So I wanted to find out. And they did bring up Tommy Robinson in that meeting. A man had wanted to run for secretary, but he was told that you couldn't actually run as an MP or as a councillor if on your social media you had actively supported Tommy Robinson. And because of that, he no longer wanted to run as secretary. He could supporting Tommy, but he couldn't go any further than that. So he no longer wants to be secretary. And this kind of came up in this little meeting. And there was a lot of noise being made because people were, well, hold on, you know, this is supposed to be the party of free speech. And then you're going to say that you can't stand if you've supported Tommy vocally and kind of made a joke saying, well, that's me out then, isn't it? So I guess I don't

want there to be team Nigel, team Rupert, but I would have to stand on Rupert's side with this. He's always, you know, kind of said what he wants. And I understand there's an argument that maybe Nigel has softened his stance on certain things because he needs the votes, then he needs to get in. And then once he's in, he can make the changes he wants to make. However, to me, that's like slippery Starmer. You say one thing to get the votes and then you do something else when you're in there. Whereas Rupert Lowe has been straight. This is what I want to do. Now, I understand as well, he may not be able to do that, but at least you know his intentions. Like what are Nigel's intentions? What are Tice's intentions? What are Reform's real intentions if they were to get in? We just don't know.

June, the report has been released today and Reform's statement on it, which has been posted to their ex-account, is really going for Rupert Lowe, says it's found to be credible evidence of unlawful harassment of two women, both by Mr. Lowe and male members of the team. Contrary to Mr. Lowe's public statements, one of the women's allegations were made against Mr. Lowe himself. Now, when you actually dig down into the report, June, my opinion is this is like an office row. And I'm just so concerned that the language is trying to really destroy Rupert Lowe's reputation. I believe he's an honorable man. I mean, I think he's had a very high profile career for decades, very successful and happy marriage. I just don't like the smearing of this man. Yes, there are political fallouts. I get that. But remember, we've also had the suggestion that he might be having early onset dementia. It just feels so low and wrong to me. And June,

the sense that I get is that, yes, there are lots of reform members who say, Dan, you've just got to forget about this. You've just got to move on. But there are an equal number of people, June, who say we can't just forget that the cops were called on their best performing MP. It's a big deal. Well, I agree about Rupert's popularity and i particularly like him and if he puts anything out which is unusual these days that's political if it's not about himself but we have to remember that the person running the twitter account isn't rupert it's someone mentioned in with a relevant

part to play in the accusations so we must remember that when we're reading Rupert's Twitter. It's not fair for Rupert to take all the... Yes, although, June, we have to also be fair and say most politicians do not run their own ex-account in terms of posting the information. Nigel doesn't post any of his own content either. Now, I don't think that matters, as long as it's what they believe, as long as it's their thoughts.

Do you see what I mean? Yeah, I see what i mean yeah i see what you mean um i still wouldn't have that going on if i was in the position that rupert lowe is in um i think he's a great mp and i like a lot of what he says i think he's quite invigorating actually but i do think that I don't blame Reform or Nigel Farage for this I blame everybody concerned and people are talking about poor Rupert Lowe

he's going to be ruined and I don't think he will I think he'll come out of this alright he's managed to curry his own following Ben Habib is around with him trying to create something themselves I think there'll be something there with that. I think that, you know, something will move forward there.

But the thing that really disgusts me in all this, and I'm no lightweight because I wouldn't, no one will bully me, is the fact that two women here sit here today and I don't know what's going on with the constituency office. I only know what's going on with the parliamentarian office. And this is a well-respected woman who's been there over a decade with glowing references, who's been able to hold down a position

for government ministers and Tory MPs alike. She's popular. She knows the ropes. A very valuable tool within an office of new people who aren't used to being there. And she's jobless. She isn't some purple-haired woman with pronouns who's a lefty. This is a respectable woman with a lot to offer. And I'm sure she's gutted at where she sits tonight now having worked for a women's charity where um people get bullied and things go

on if you read what it says in those court documents not well not court the KC's findings have I got that right KC's findings on one, I thought it was particularly sad to read that in mid-January, she approached Mr Lowe again for a frank and concerned discussion about the impact upon her that I won't mention his name, the man was having on it. distress and disappointment she was she claimed met with hostility and apparently this man had been uh it says here she began to feel she could not please in any way whatsoever she felt that every step she took in every case that she dealt with was subject to complaint from i won't say his name it's not fair indeed she cited that the other guy i won't say his name, it's not fair. Indeed, she cited that the other guy, I won't say his name, who she was unfriendly turned to at the constituency office, was also irritated by his attitude and complete arrogation of complete control over constituency masses.

This barrage of criticism, which was so alien to her in her earlier experiences in parliament was doing similar doing similar work for other MPs was detrimental and had an impact on her. This woman is not a lightweight and these women have had little or no airtime there's been absolutely no consideration the social media account of Rupert Lowe has been totally devoted to Rupert Lowe, understandably, but I do feel that in this instance, what could have been handled in-house, it could have sat down with a woman with a cup of tea and listened to her what was wrong, what had built up over a period in time to make it so uncomfortable for a woman who previously felt

comfortable in her job, what has happened, what's gone wrong? Sit down, talk to her. Tell the other guy to reel his neck in because he's new. No matter how good he is at social media and getting retweeted by Elon Musk, somebody should have sat down with that woman. Because I do not believe for one minute that this woman is using some sort of procedural issues to get back at anyone. I think she feels alone, and I think she feels betrayed, and I think she feels she's in a misogynistic environment. And Parliament is known for it. Parliament generally is known for it. And this woman has, I don't know about the other woman, I can't say, but I do know that, you know, I've got contacts

in Parliament that have been with me right through Brexit, people like her who have been completely forthright and upright. And I'm no lightweight. I am no shrinking violet, believe me. So if I'm coming out in the defence of this woman that should have had better treatment, I think the people who should be putting their big boy pants on are the men in jobs that they're still in. And Rupert with his millions behind him, and Nigel Farage with his savviness to continue as a politician. I am not siding with anyone here, other than the fact that little or no airtime from any commentators,

any social media providers, any newscasters, have given any moment's consideration to two women, one, the parliamentary one, sat at home now with no job and two children. Where do they figure into this? Well, the thing is, she can speak out now, and she has a right to do that in the media. But from where I'm seeing this, it was a coordinated campaign against Rupert Lowe. there are often these allegations in high profile environments of bullying, toxicity. Now, okay, June, I accept that you're saying that this woman is not a snowflake. I guess what I'm saying is that none of this reaches the level that it could or should have been used to try and destroy the political career of...

Sorry, Lelani, you come in, of Rupert. And as well, I want to point out that when Reform originally put out the statement, it really was worded to make it look like it was Rupert, not that was doing the bullying or whatever and well today they're saying he was today they are saying he was now I've read the full report I can't see the evidence of that and also this term bullying just gets thrown around willy-nilly like we have Priti Patel was a bully this person's a bully that person's a bully like

you know we have to kind of define it in a way because you know that that's you is it name calling or is it as you said when somebody gets criticized over their work as you said in you know in your digest um uh micromanagement that's not bullying that's someone micromanaging and yes it needs to be dealt with. But, you know, just keep throwing these terms around bullying. I mean, it just it makes a little bit of a mockery of it all. Like, was somebody micromanaging? Was somebody overly critical? You know, is that bullying? I think, you know, maybe these people do need to speak out and we need to hear their side. But like you said, I just think it's very unfair if it wasn't Rupert Lowe joining the Conservatives.

Now, honestly, I can't believe she's not welcoming with open arms, but she's not. Watch this. There's been conversations had about whether he might join the Conservative Party. Do you know about those? I have no idea what people are talking about. If he's having conversations with Conservatives, they're certainly not people that I speak to. I think it's important that people know what they're voting for. I'm personally not a fan of a lot of people jumping ship from one party to another. People don't understand what they're voting for. And Reform are having problems

because they assume that managing Members of Parliament is easy. They've only got five, and they've lost one. They've got four now. That's 20% of their party gone. And one of the things that I am very keen to emphasise is that we have the experience and the credibility. It is not easy managing lots of people. You look at the newspapers last year.

It was always about conservatives arguing. Now that's all gone quiet. We are unifying. You know, we are united because I am dealing with many of the tensions and issues. I'm taking us on a journey, net zero being a classic example. Last week I said it's impossible. We need to start thinking about what new policies can be,

but making sure that we're bringing it all together and not squabbling in an unseemly fashion in public. June, sometimes don't you just need a leader with some raw politics in her blood? Isn't he exactly the type of man that Kemi Badenoch needs in the Conservative Party right now? I think Ronald McDonald would do better than Kemi Badenoch. I like Rupert Lowe. I don't think, I am not put off Rupert Lowe as a politician. And I still retweet his stuff. But I still think this could have been nipped in the bud.

And it's I don't know what's going on with the rest of it. I didn't read the letter that I don't think the letter should have been put out, by the way. But, you know, it's he he said, she said, I was appalled at him going to Tory boy because I have a thing about Tory boy because of his conduit back to the deep state, as they call it. And I thought, what? Why would you go there? Why would you do that at that time?

But as we know now, this has been rumbling on for some time. Did Rupert get the first punch in first? I don't know. But I can't sit here and say, oh, poor Rupert Lowe is being attacked. I think Rupert Lowe will come out of this just fine because he's got a full lifetime of being respected. Politics is difficult. And my sympathies lie with the women with no jobs.

No, I don't see it as... You've got to remember, if you look at what the document says from the KC, she's not revealing what the evidence is. She's not saying what the WhatsApp messages said and the fact that some of them were sent out of hours and different things that have gone on. So she's not divulging that, is she? I suppose that's up to the women to come out and speak. But that's all right saying that. Would you like to take Rupert Lowe on, a multimillionaire with a bottomless pit to fight you would you like to take that on board you've had the legal case

down you know what it's like how draining it is you're just an ordinary woman that had a reasonably well-paid job in a respected environment well respected to the outside world we're no different but um you know i'm in parliament would you like to think you're going to take this further with rupert i wouldn't i'd be running for the hills. Would you like to think you're going to take this further with Rupert? I wouldn't. I'd be running for the hills. I wouldn't like to take something like that on. Bring my kids up. I'd just like to get another job. And the knock-on effect for her is, will she be as respected?

I'm told that a number of people would take her back on in Parliament, which is good. I don't know about the other lady. I have no idea about that one. But I just think it's a damn shame. And if he does think he's going to be a leader, then this is the kind of... I'm not belittling it for anybody, for Reform or Rupert or the women.

I'm not belittling it. But on the grand scale of life and what a leader of a country will have to handle, surely this could have been handled better. Surely this could have been handled better by all parties Rupert Lowe included and the the letter oh sorry Jane um it's all right the letter read to me like workplace bullying when I read that letter the first part I thought oh bloody hell why hasn't this been handled in-house sit down cup of tea what's gone wrong nicey nice to the lady then turn around to whoever it is and go reel your neck in we don't want this she knows the ropes

she's useful be nice get yourself together I've done it loads of times with staff and the thing is that's how I read it I didn't think Rupert was um sort of accused at all the latter bit about the police I just thought Zia get your big boy pants on but I don't know anything about that either I only know quite a bit about how people are feeling in parliament with this woman who's very well respected and no lightweight so it could have been handled better. And I think that, I think Rupert will come out of this all right. I mean, is anybody bothered about going back to the bloody Tory party?

No. For a few years? To sort them out? You know, Ben Abib's starting this new thing. What's he starting it with? A load of bloody Tories? If you're not going to be a Tory, then at least have the decency to dump the badge.

Dump the badge, cross the floor to reform, cross the floor to Rupert Lord-Benebue, but dump the badge, because all that's going to happen, these people are going to sit here and they're going to talk, talk, talk, like the ERG did about politics and moving forward and general elections. Talk, talk, talk, write in the paper, get paid, go on TV, get paid. Talk, talk, talk, ask for your money, talk, talk, talk, write in the paper, get paid, go on TV, get paid, talk, talk, talk, ask for your money, talk, talk, talk, and nothing will change because you've still got, you've only got to look at a lot of the people

that went to the Brexit party during the MEP elections that went over as Tories and joined the Brexit party to get the seats, to have a jolly good time, may I say, for the last six months until we left the European Union and just before a general election, boom, they're back to the Tory party. Yes, yes, all of that I agree with. But can I just say it was Reform UK that called the police on Rupert Lowe. That was a new Lowe.

And I do think it was that decision that has damaged them in some way. So fundamentally, actually. An extraordinary bust-up in the talk TV studio today between Charlie Mullins, OBE, the Pimlico Plumbers founder and talk presenter Julia Hartley Brewer. I know, Julia. I thought she was going to lamp him. I'm going to be totally honest. So let me take you through the story. Front page of the Daily Telegraph today, Charlie Mullins, and this is truly disgusting, threatened constantly by the Cabinet Office for the removal of his OBE because he made political points against Sadiq Khan and Carol Vorderman and the other Labour Ligga losers. That is disgusting. And we will come to that in just a moment.

But the bust up between Charlie Mullins and Julia Hartley Brewer happened after Charlie went on air to say that he was not going to be paying the extra VAT to the government for his new plumbing company. It was going to be his type of protest. And he was arguing that if everyone did that, then the government would be screwed. Julia hit back saying, well, I'm sorry, that makes you a lawbreaker.

And in that case, you would lose your OBE. Watch the very feisty discussion. And after, I'll get analysis and reaction from my brilliant superstar panel june slater and lalani dowding is that going to affect you have you got a lot of employees there you've got to pay more national insurance for him unfortunately yes come april how much more money is it going to cost you um i think it's about 750 to a thousand pound a person right um we're trying to employ as many people as we can because obviously we're a growing company.

Yeah. But there's lots of businesses cutting back. There's lots of businesses not re-employing. Yeah. But we're going to go for it. But I ain't paying them the extra money, Mike. When the time comes, I'm going to pay the old rate. Let them sue me.

Let them make a busy body. And if everybody like me stands up for their company and don't give them the money that they're trying to rob us of, then I think we can put a stop on it. OK, interesting. Julie Hartley-Puris here. Very good morning to you. Very good morning. I mean, you'll definitely end up losing the OV then if you break the law.

Why? But I'm not breaking the law. Well, will you? If you pay your taxes, you're due to pay. I mean, I don't agree with that. I think it's an insane extra tax on jobs, but you're still having to pay it. Yeah, but I'm not breaking the law, am I? You campaign to change the law, not break the law. Call blind me. I'm old-fashioned. Well, you're stuck to pay it. Yeah, but I'm not breaking the law, am I? You campaign to change the law, not break the law. Call blind me. I'm old-fashioned.

I mean, not old-fashioned, blind me. Sometimes you're part of your campaign to break the law. I'll bet your husband's pleased when you go to work, isn't he? That's a bit harsh. God, you can have a row, you can, Julie. Listen, the point is... I'm not breaking the law, am I? I'm just saying, too.

Not paying your taxes. Well, yeah, but hang on, hang on. Yeah, but if as part of your campaign to change the law, you can break the law. That's what people do. You know, that's what... Still disobedient. Yeah, you can do it.

You will lose the OBE, then. I won't be losing the OBE. I don't think you should be losing it for exercising free speech. Look, Julie, maybe that was a tongue-in-cheek comment. I won't be losing the OBE. The only way they'll be getting that OBE back is when I've had enough of them and I'll tell them where they can stick it.

I personally think don't take awards, hold out for Empress like I'm doing. Yeah, you've already had that since birth, haven't you? I mean, you didn't actually, nobody gave it to you. It's my third pronoun. Remember what they say about power, nobody gives you power, you just have to take it. Anyhow, do you think I should have took my OB?

No, you're out. Thank you. June, I bet the husband's happy when you go to work. Julia was furious. Why is she so annoyed with him? I think he made perfect sense. She's never run her own business and had a VAT return to do, has she? People are getting it stuffed up on the left, right and centre,

small and medium-sized businesses. And I know that I should be on the opposite side of the fence to Charlie Mullins after what he said about Brexit. But I actually get on all right with Charlie. I've had a couple of messages from him since he's been in Spain. And he's a savvy individual, does an awful lot for charity. He's got a good heart on him. I just don't like how he is about Brexit. And I don't like the fact he wanted to stay in europe but we're over that and um you know i think that to to insinuate they're going to take something off you when there's people that have had those awards i mean let's face it come on we've got a speaker of the house a speaker of the house sir lindsey hoyle Hoyle, Sir Lancelot, he's had a portrait

done of himself costing £51,000, £15,000 for a frame, where he looks like, somebody thought it was Paul O'Grady, because he looks like Paul O'Grady in like a drag queen thing, it's in the Speaker of the House, £51,000 on that, and he's Sir Lindsay Hoyle, right honourable, and £7 million to do up John Bercow's apartments, £7 million with a marble bathroom. Maybe Bercow didn't flush and spray like us normals. Maybe, but there it is. There he is, Paul O'Grady. We're due missing.

Yeah, I miss Paul O'Grady, absolutely. Don't miss Lindsay Hoyle. Lalani, what did you think about that clash with Julia? You know, again, I'm not a fan of Charlie Mullins because of the whole thing with the lockdowns and the jabs, right? But I do not think that he should have his OBE taken away because of anything that he said about the Labour government. I believe in free

speech, he has the right to say whatever he wants. But also, that's what you do in protest, you withhold, you might withhold taxes, I am going to withhold my council tax, if Stoke annexes my little parish council of the Moorlands, if it gets annexed, i'm going to withhold my um my council tax and sometimes you have to do that and um you know he made a joke he had some banter i i like it when people can joke around like that billy loves it when i go off and see the horses and gives him some alone time he's like oh my god you're gonna have the horses at home how am i gonna get rid of you you know he loves it it's you know some banter. It's a bit of fun. You know, have a bit of sense of humour.

So, you know, that was all okay with me. And I mean, it was utterly disgusting, by the way, what the deep state did to Charlie Mullins. When people say there is no deep state in this country, I want you to listen to this. So Mike Graham asks Charlie Mullins how he found out that he was being accused of bringing the honour system into disrepute. So when did you first hear that they were trying to take it off you?

They got on my case in November. Right. What, sent you a letter or something? Well, yeah, they sent me a letter from, I think, the Cabinet Office or something and basically said that I've brought the honour system into disrepute or something. And they come up with about four or five reasons why. Yeah. All things evidently they'll put on X or two things I've said.

Yeah. So my lawyers have been on it. They've been on it all the time. We've waited four months. Yeah. And we got the decision the other day that they now decided that they've got no case against me. They've withdrawn.

Basically, they know they're wrong. They're out of order, what they're trying to do. They're victimising me, Mike. Yeah. And Charlie Mullins said that this was a politically motivated attack. What? And they reckon that somebody would have complained, somebody who doesn't like you

or somebody who doesn't agree with your politics has complained to these people and therefore they've done this investigation. So I wonder whether you can find out who that is. Well, it's obvious who, isn't it? Is it? Well, it's politically motivated. Yes. I've upset the Labour Party.

Yeah. He's screaming like a pig, like Starmer, because I said, you know, him, Rayner, Reeves, they're not qualified to be in that job. Yeah. And they did misleading the public. Yeah. Taking the country to ruins. They're costing youngsters their jobs in fortune.

Yeah. They're killing all those pensioners with what they're doing. So I've been quite open with it. And there were two specific people, two specific people, Sadiq Khan and Carol Vorderman. And it was the criticism of those two people, both despicable people, by the way, some of the worst people in Britain, and it was that specific criticism. Watch.

50 years of hard work and all the bits with it, and they want to wipe it off of me, all because I don't agree with Khan, and I don't agree with them, and I don't agree with, what's the other pest's name, Carol Waldemar, right? And it's all nothing. And I told a two-bob joke at the Curry Awards, the Indian Curry Awards. Which they said was racist.

But you were at the Curry Awards. Two years ago, but... And I don't know if you remember, Jim, but that was when the TV doctor, Ran Singh, complained about a joke that Charlie Mullins made at the British Curry Awards. He said, why has India never won the World Cup? Because every time they get a corner, they build a shop on it.

And apparently the joke was very well received in the room, but Ran Singh made a complaint. None of this, though, June, even if you disagree with that joke, even if you think what Charlie Mullins is saying about Carol Vorderman, you don't take the OBE off the guy. I mean, they don't even take OBEs, June,

off paedophiles, for God's sake. Well, it's just got so ludicrous. I mean, as you say, these old-fashioned jokes, they just do their rounds, don't they? Let it go. But they're just their expenses go in and when their green taxes are put on various things that we use. And they try and sell us this narrative that's absolutely ridiculous. One of my, if I was voting in you, jackass, I'd be voting for Milliband for sure. Yes, I thought you would. I have a feeling Lani would be going for an Irindicur though so you're probably divided on that

Do you know I have to say though as well whatever I thought about Charlie Mullins over the vaccines and stuff I think I'm actually forgiving him and coming round to thinking he's quite a funny nice funny bloke he's a funny bloke and you know what he actually should hand it back and tell him to stick it

just like he said he might do he should do that because you know what? He actually should hand it back and tell him to stick it, just like he said he might do. He should do that because you know what? These are all becoming meaningless. Like you say, if a PEO can hang on to his or hers, whatever, then why should he lose his for criticising Labour? You know, we're supposed to have free speech. Keir Starmer sat there in front of Vance saying how proud he was of Britain's free speech. He's such a compulsive liar. It's unbelievable. So, you know.

Exactly. Exactly. I mean, proof. And June, by the way, you're speaking about Lindsay Hoyle, right? And that ridiculous spending. And the guy is just a complete ligger. But we have more liggers in the labour party i mean the the daily mail is now describing it as freebie gate can you believe that rachel thieves

rachel from accounts the woman who is putting so many brits through so much pain, doesn't buy her own tickets to the Sabrina Carpenter concert, doesn't buy her own tickets to the theatre. And, and June, you have Angela Rayner, the Deputy Prime Minister in Africa, asking civil servants if she can go on a safari. I mean mean these people are taking the piss out of us.

First class. Yeah, I mean the thing is she's got, Angela Raider's got a brawl to have a look how they're doing to see what they're doing in, is it Ethiopia? I think it's Ethiopia. We don't care Angela, come on. She's never here at the moment. She's always on some jolly at the moment. Yeah.

And you've got Rachel from accounts. You'll like this. One of my followers couldn't remember her name, so she said, you know what I mean? She runs the Chancery. She looks like a younger Nora Batty. That made my day. Because she's not a gifted lass, is she?

And these people are inept. I mean, you look at that front bench fortunately half the country can't even name them do you know that you know used to have mps that you might not like but you knew them like norman tebbett um or even um certain people from any party you could name them there was a kind of respect about them now what have we got we look like they've come from job seekers they have an equal opportunity scheme look i know she's a bit thick but rachel's never had a job like this before and it will really make a difference i go here um yeah look we'll take her on we'll give her a go we'll give her the chance for it and now she's there a victim of blob, the civil service, who give these hobby horses out.

These are plans that they have shelved. You know, they're off the shelf. So they go, there you go, Rachel. What about this? Great idea. Here it is. We could stop the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. We tried it with Rishi, but he refused. What about you then? I think that's a really good idea. Yes, I'll take that on. We'll do that. Stop the winterfuel laws. Hello, hello. We're sick of you. By the time it comes to the next election, Ronald McDonald could win.

As long as it's a face they recognise. Believe me, Labour will not vote Labour back in. No, no. But Angela Rayner's literally bragging about how uneducated she is. You know, that was her claim to fame in the... I was seeing it all over the internet, how she was talking about how she didn't have an education.

And this is who is our deputy. We're screwed. And like he said, I just hope anybody gets in, except for them next time. Douglas Murray has launched a warning about what's coming in the uk as we continue to turn away from christianity and of course the most egregious example of that over the past many weeks has come from stephanie mander the head teacher of norwood primary school at eastleigh who issued this disgusting letter to the parents

and carers saying that as we approach the spring season, she was going to inform them about an important update regarding our school's traditional Easter celebrations. And she said, after careful consideration and discussion with our school community, we have decided not to hold the Easter bonnet parade or the Easter service this year, saying the decision has been made in the spirit of inclusivity and respect for the diverse religious beliefs represented within the school community. While it might be disappointing, she's looking at alternative ways to celebrate. And guess what? It includes taking part in Refugee Week in June.

These are the people behind our educational institutions. And this is why this warning from Douglas Murray is so important. Analysis from my superstar panel, June Slater and Leilani Dowding in one moment. But first, here's what Douglas Murray had to say. I believe very strongly today that people in America, Europe, Britain, the rest of the West are going to have to get serious very fast because something is going to happen. I don't know what, but something is going to happen in my lifetime that is going to happen. I don't know what. But something is going to happen in my lifetime that is going to bring the kind of reality that the people of Israel saw on the 7th

to the people of America, to the people of Europe, to the people of Britain. And we should prepare for that. And we should prepare a generation for that. And we should encourage them. They've got to break out of the thing they're in these ignoramuses the narcissists the naval gazers we've got to tell them that the age of grievance is over the age of grievance will be over with an age of heroism and courage.

And we should encourage that from everybody. And if these other people who want to hold us all back and want to make us talk about things that are so banal and boring, like gender woo-woo and I'm feeling non-binary, no, don't have time for you. Get out the way. Life's too serious. Get ready. But of course, the out-of-touch mainstream media in the UK don't feel that way. For example, they keep on platforming hard-left lunatics who hate our country, who hate its Christian values, like the awful Yasmin Alibaya Brown on Jeremy Vine. I really wanted to hear from the school because I am so sick and tired of these newspaper stories,

which have gone on forever. It used to be Christmas. I remember, I've got the cuttings. Muslims want to cancel Christmas and then everybody would hate us. Or Muslims don't want us to do this or that. Now it's come to Easter. But we don't know why they've done this. And I see no reason to get cross about it at all.

Well, we reached out to the school. They were too busy to respond. Do you know in America where there is a lot of Christian fundamentalism, as we know, there are lots of very passionate Christians. Schools don't do any faith. Did you know that? Oh, so June Slater, Yasmin Alibaya Brown actually thinks it's just amazing. I mean, let's just scrap Christianity altogether. Right. But of course, when it comes to Ramadan, the whole country should stop.

Well, she's never stopped moaning about this country since she moved to it she's had a good ride out of this country she's had a great career she's well respected well not by me um and you know what are you moaning about she's still moaning um the percentage of the population is what between four and six percent and they get 30 to 40 percent of the airtime where the news is concerned uh 36 percent of our abtime where the news is concerned. 36 percent of our abattoirs are owned by Muslims. They've made a footprint in the country. They get exactly what they want.

People cave into them. Why is she even saying this? Why is it relevant? I mean, the thing is what people forget, the biggest growing factor in the country isn't Christianity. We know that. We know Islam is the biggest growing religion. But the biggest factor is atheism, because people are turning away from faith, because unfortunately, the Christian church hasn't made it interesting or exciting enough. It hasn't made it a compulsion to want to join in. It's left it to die and that's because the institution that we rely on the

schools and the education system is basically walk they want it to die i actually believe they want it to die and i think they're trying to pave the way for one religion being left as the main one and sadly it's going to be an uphill struggle no matter what people think because the growing factor is atheism people with no faith at easter most people like easter because it's holidays and people think about easter bunnies christianity there's a number of things and there's no need to cancel it there's no need at all for a school to do that we've got power you know the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world and that's because it's getting hold of people in the formative years when you listen to things and your character is moulded I still

remember some of mine kindly junior school teachers they've affected me in my life because they were decent honest people but we've got people with agendas the education system is basically full of activists. That's the problem. Well, Alani, the agenda could not be more clear, could it? Oh, let's not celebrate Easter. But don't worry, we've got Refugee Week in June. I mean, how on earth is that comparable?

I know, it's a complete virtue signal. And then we saw Prince, King Charles have Ramadan celebrations in Windsor Castle, not mentioning Lent, not mentioning Lent not mentioning Easter not mentioning Ash Wednesday none of it so what I would say is this that if anyone's upset about this as I am instead of just taking to Twitter or social media or moaning go to church this Easter this is what I'm going to do I haven't been to church for a long time um prior to Christmas I thought I'm going to do. I haven't been to church for a long time. Prior to Christmas, I thought I'm going to go to a carol service. You know, I want to go in, give a donation to the church, make sure we save our churches, go to an Easter mass, go to an Easter celebration, make sure that your kids participate in some Easter celebration, whether it's church or whether it's an Easter egg hunt or anything, anything that gets them talking about easter so that when they go back after the easter holidays they can go and

talk about it and annoy their teachers at school about how they had a lovely easter and how they celebrated easter that's the only thing we can do that's the way we're going to have to fight back that's parents are going to have to get involved um obviously you know there's writing to the school blah blah blah but go and have the kids get excited about easter and easter celebrations and figure out what it's all about and the renewal and the you know and spring and celebrating that so um i think you know that's the only way we're going to beat it. Otherwise, we're going to have big ramadams and deliberations next year. But I mean, June, we already do, though, don't we? I mean, look at these pictures in London, for example.

So we literally have the elite class saying we should celebrate a minority religion while getting rid of all celebrations for the national religion? Well, I think from my point of view, we're a Christian country that's been accommodating to everybody else. And that's how I will always view it. And I'm too old to view it any other way. And this multicultural project has failed and no one's admitting to it. No one wants to admit that it's failed. And you don't create a fair society by being overly favourable to one particular group of people.

That just creates division. And that's where we go wrong. We're almost self-flagellating at the thought that we're christian or that we have rights and we have views and the people that are coming off the worse are basically young white boys aren't they because they're getting left behind in everything you know you've got um a muslim education group very very well funded who were buying up British schools at knockdown prices where the one local school has had IT studies taken off the curriculum the parents have gone mad yet the business that now owns that school with its own headquarters in Blackburn in Lancashire with about I think

it's 8,000 pupils one the mainly muslim it's open to other people but it is mainly muslim um it's one of the lead topics it studies they're excelling in it so why would you not have it for a school that's predominantly for you know non-islamic kids just people of christian or other no faith i don't understand it i don't understand why we let this imbalance continue it's madness it's such a madness it's it's it's like a death of a thousand cuts and we ought to be proud of what we've got you know we've welcomed try and take your faith or your politics you know can you imagine me if i went to islamabad to stand in parliament what they would think right decided

i'm going to bestow upon you all i know about democracy i don't think i get very far what as a woman uh over there and and that's where i think we get slated you you've only got to look at the faces in our parliament. We're a mixed bag from everywhere. And we've done very well at trying to accommodate it. But when it's thrust upon you, if you want to see what multiculturalism looks like as a success, then look at a mixed race marriage.

That's done out of choice. That's born out of love. That's people who are attracted. We don't know why, but they come together out of love. That's it working. And it's done naturally. But when you stop people forcing you to do it, you've got to do this because we've said so. That's when it fails. You can't achieve anything with force. June Slater, Lalani Dowding, do stand by because in just one minute, Lord Alan Sugar has spoken out for

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let's be honest, doesn't have totally positive things to say about her in this interview with the BBC's Amol Rajan. For Katie, it's enough because he is acknowledging her. It's a really lovely moment. I'm going to take you through it. Then we'll get analysis from June Slater and Lelani Dali, my superstar panel. Plus, I'm going to show you Katie Hopkins' hilarious comedy routine in London's most prominent Muslim area. But first, here's what Lord Sugar had to say about her. And sometimes, as we've seen in this series, sometimes a candidate quits before we fire them. Why do you think that is? I realise they're going

to jump before they're pushed, in some cases. There's the famous one, Katie Hopkins. Remember her? I do. Ratchet jaws, rent a mouth. I was about to say, well, I'll hire you, and she says, no, actually, I don't want to do it. So she left. OK. Um...

I think it's more important that I have the curtsy to get my plans in place first. And therefore, I suggest I stand down. You're about to hire her, right? Well, she was good. She was bloody good. She was the best. She was the best of that crew.

No question of it. And that honesty meant a huge amount to Katie Hopkins, who responds to Lord Sugar publicly here for the first time. Watch. And thanks also to Lord Sugar. I meant to say this. If I may just quickly, or go if you need to go. And to Lord Sugar, I just wanted to say thank you very much. I saw your interview with Amal Rajan. And I saw that you, oh golly, this is going to set me off as well. I saw that you acknowledged that I left the apprentice of my own accord.

And I saw that you were kind enough to say that I would have had the job and that I was the best one out of the group. And that's not the important thing. The thing I wanted to say was thank you. Thank you for acknowledging that I was on that show. Thank you for acknowledging that I actually am good at what I did, do. And thank you for somehow getting that said. I have been, been I guess disappeared by the BBC for ten years like even when they did a special on The Apprentice you know I'm eradicated from it I've been erased so it was a weird thing for me it wasn't about the things that you said this so it's the fact that you actually acknowledged I existed and I genuinely wanted to say thank you.

It was really, I didn't realize how much it affected me but I have realized that today. So thank you for acknowledging my existence. Thank you for saying what you said. And if you did by chance need a right hand woman on The Apprentice to eviscerate The Apprentice's for you, I'm totally up for it. I think we could get viewing figures through the roof. I think I'd be a very kind and fun mentor, but I doubt that I would have any time for fools or anybody trying to be deceiving of you so that's my pitch to being back on The Apprentice but this time by your side but much more importantly I did genuinely want to say thank you very much for acknowledging me and I'm guessing somewhat forcing the BBC to say my name I love that it really gave me the warm fuzzies. I want to be,

as she talks about, disappeared from history. And what was so telling is it was Lord Sugar who raised Katie Hopkins. And he was honest about the fact that he was going to hire her. And I thought, good on him for doing so. By the way, I'd also love to have her back on The Apprentice. She would be so much better than Karen Brady, you know, as the assistant. And it would make the ratings go sky high. Absolutely. I think she's a brilliant lady. I think she actually has the biggest heart, the biggest heart. And she obviously does have to put a wall up because she gets attacked so badly.

You know, she's fast. She's sharp. She's somebody that you could never bully because she'd always fight back no matter how much they tried. And they do try and they do do it. She will never, ever be the victim or let herself play a victim. She's honestly she is the most loveliest strongest person and I have a personal experience that I remember when I was really really down after the Southport um killings and then the riots and then people getting locked up over the riots and then Hugh Edwards uh being released I think I you know I broke down and Katie sent me the nicest message. She doesn't know me that well, but she saw me upset on Twitter and she saw it affected me and she sent me the most loveliest DM.

She didn't write it as a virtue signal where everybody could see it. She messaged me privately and it was a really lovely message that raised my spirits. And also I just want to say, she's a hysterical comedian. Everyone should watch her show. I remember going and I just cried.

I cried laughing. It was probably the first time I actually laughed so hard since the pre-COVID area when everything had just got you down. And it's like you're trying to find humor and laugh again and she is so funny um I was crying with laughter and it's been a long time since that happened but um I don't think she knows she knows that but she uh she did send me the most loveliest message I think she's got a good heart and she's a beautiful person. And I think that when she hears nice things like that and gets acknowledged after all the cancellation and the nastiness, I think something touches her. And that's why she gets so emotional, because she does have a really big, warm heart in there. June Slater, do you think the tide is turning at all?

I do, yeah. And I think Katie's living proof. I did a short video about Katie Hopkins because I was getting attacked by some lunatic on Twitter. So I took to my Twitter page. I said, what has Katie Hopkins actually ever done? Tell me what her crime is. Tell me the victims.

Tell me where the injured lay, where the dead are. Tell me where the war was started. Tell me where a crime is. Tell me the victims. Tell me where the injured lay, where the dead are. Tell me where the war was started. Tell me where the abuse... She's not done anything. She's just... They've decided, the blob, the media, have decided to dump her. And this is a funny, big-hearted woman.

And it's quite usual that somebody funny is usually quite sensitive as well. But she doesn't suffer feels i think she's great and i think there is a place for her back on tv because what we've got on tv there's a lot of boring people out there and it's sad to think that alan just mentioning her like that meant so much but you've got to understand this woman cannot send her children to school with her surname she cannot have a British bank account she cannot own a house this is cancelled this is what cancelled she can't keep

the same phone for more than about three months this is how she has to live she can't go to see her kids at school parent teachers now she can't do things like that that she's been cancelled beyond belief and what's happened to Katie, I'll draw your attention back to, I think it might have been The Apprentice, I might have got the show wrong. Katie Hopkins and Michelle Moon, her of the £26 million, where has it gone, love? She sat with Katie Hopkins and she's the one that gave Katie Hopkins a dressing down.

Katie Hopkins took it on the chin just nodded she was very gracious and this woman who's giving Katie Hopkins a dressing down has still we've got to find out 26 million pounds worth of taxpayers money for PPE so it shows how things are turning when this woman who took the high ground then um publicly she's she's away from the public eye at the moment there is no reason on this earth why katie hopkins shouldn't be allowed to live a normal life and voice her opinions be funny i mean a lockdown um it's not locked down wine club it's a wine club every friday um i try and watch it if i can and i share her stuff quite a bit she's just funny isn't she

and she manages to still cover the sensitive topics and get a laugh out of them so you know if this was strictly come dancing on ice i'd be giving her a 10 yes and june seeing you've mentioned the michelle moan moment i think it is worth just having a little look at. So Katie, you're completely right. Katie, once the whole PPE scandal had developed, posted, my darlings, sometimes in life, all you have to do is wait. And she posted that with this video. I think that you're being exceptionally selfish. I think that, to be honest, you give business this video. working for yourself and you were to come into my business and want to be a consultant, I wouldn't even let you over my doorstep. Listen, I never thought I'd find... I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry that you feel that way about me.

The nation feels that way. And I'm sorry... And if you speak for the nation, then that's fine. And of course, you would argue that Katie Hopkins, even Katie cancelled, is more memorable. Every dog has its day. Indeed. I promised you, we've got to watch it.

So Katie Hopkins was at Comedy Unleashed in the middle of Tower Hamlets, which is probably the most ethnically diverse part of all of the UK. I think if you're white there, you're probably in the minority. And so I guess people were thinking, is she going to hold back on her comedy? No, no, no, no. Watch this. I love being in Bethers, me.

I fit right in. I like to think I blend. Five foot nine, big nose, white as the driven snow, blonde hair and a far right Nazi. Fucking brilliant. Just me, blending on in.

Or as the Daily Mail calls me, the messiah of the far right. I walk around like that on in. Or as the Daily Mail calls me, the Messiah of the far right. I walk around like that on purpose. Blending on in here in Tower Hamlets. No one notices everyone else in their black clothes and just their eyeballs. And then there's me. Blending in. I'm like the snow leopard on the hills above Pakistan. Do you want to go there?

Or should we just end at that point? She's great. She's very, very good. I hope the tide is turning. And good on lord sugar uh for mentioning her i i will give him that thank you so much as ever to my fabulous superstar panel june slater of course you can find her you can subscribe to her now on youtube obviously she's got a massive facebook audience but she is now on YouTube as well. And social commentator Lalani Dowding, who is tearing it up on X. And Lalani and I are going to be in just, I think, two weeks now, Lalani, on the Mark Stein cruise together. So we'll try and bring you some content, won't we, Lalani, when we're away?

Absolutely. Exciting stuff. I cannot wait. No, I cannot wait either there's a there's a whole gang of us going so thank you both so much and we will speak very soon lalani i will actually i'll see you in on the cruise that's when i will see you definitely can't wait lots of feedback coming in from you today on not surprisingly the reform uk civil war helen shepherd writes farage's ego has grown far too big now. He is really showing what a truly nasty person he is. Stephen Murley wrote, the left won't bring down Farage.

Farage is already doing a good job himself. And Jack posted, but how bad was the issue that warrants a police report? I mean, usually it is best to try to sort office issues in-house. Thank you for your super chats as well. Mike posted, imagine crying about a blank email. Very good point. Thank you to Kestrel, 19DBS as well, who wrote, all Nigel Farage has done since starting in politics is to divide, destroy

and defame the right wing. So we are definitely as a community, a bit divided on this one. All I would say, because I know that I'm getting it from both sides, is that I'm not a propagandist for anyone. I am an independent journalist. I am calling this story as I see it. And Rupert Lowe had the good faith to come on Outspoken to answer all of my questions over the course of an hour. Has any representative of Reform UK done that? No. Union Jackass, time now. Your nominees. Ed Davey, nominated by Real McCast for constantly moaning and being critical of others when he did nothing to help the sub-post office staff, didn't resign when he should have done and should have had his knighthood revoked. Narendra Kerr, nominated by Misson Missan for calling Rupert Lowe a Nazi in a quoted tweet.

And Ed Miliband, nominated by Mal Waller III, the energy minister for the giant FF over the closing of our major airport. And I assumed this was going to be very close. It was very close. With 6% of the vote, Ed Davey, do you know what? I think the problem is he's just so irrelevant, isn't he? So irrelevant. But I get so annoyed by him. But it was super tight at the top. The runner-up, Narendra Kerr, with 44% of the vote. But today's Union jackass, Ed Miliband, for the Heathrow Energy Chaos. And of course, at the end of the week,

all of our Union jackass winners from Monday to Thursday compete to be named the worst Briton in the world this week. So Ed Miliband will be up against the head teacher who cancelled Easter so far, but two more to come. Today's Greatest Britain, also nominated by Real McCas of the Dan Wooten Outspoken Club, Robert Jenrick for doubling down on the upcoming changes that resort to shameful two-tier justice being issued. Now, a big uncancelled after show coming up on Substack with Angela Levin. www.outspoken.live is the address. All the royal news. But there are two major developments.

We have the trailer for Meghan Markle's rip-off new podcast. It's quite something. We're going to analyze it. And if that wasn't enough, the truth about this shopping sham, which she hopes is going to get her millions and millions of pounds. So lots to go out with Angela Levin. We're going to do it on Substack next.

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